5. In the event of a TIE ALL candidates that are part of that tie are killed.
Can't Town manipulate this to double lynch every day?
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5. In the event of a TIE ALL candidates that are part of that tie are killed. Can't Town manipulate this to double lynch every day? | ||
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On August 17 2011 09:40 Varpulis wrote: alright, here are our options, as i see them:
##unvote Terrible post. You don't lynch people to "confirm" a DT, you lynch who you think is scummiest. Trotske has 4 posts which don't say anything at all and no vote. Where you at bro? That slam-Varpulis convo posted makes slam look absolutely, positively, TERRIBLE. [zEn] slam500: cause a townie with attention is more likely to be lynched [zEn] slam500: and the more ne1 talks the more they slip [zEn] slam500: no1 is slip proof This might just be the most anti-Town post I have ever read. Ever. The more scum talks the more they slip. Townies have nothing to hide, they aren't going to slip. I don't like Forumite thus far. From his post: On August 17 2011 07:57 Forumite wrote: I´m putting out a FoS on JeeJee. No posts N0, nothing concrete since then. Spamming Irc under another name and being a general troll. While the sum of his irc-posts are very large, most posts are less than 5 words, they are comments, not analysis, which is what we need in this game. FoS JeeJee As there is no chance of THAT lynch going through, I´m voting for Nisani. He did a scumslip, which might not be that damning, but his defence doesn´t quite add up. It´s partly because of that, and because of basic survival instinct. ##Vote: Nisani201 He seems to think JeeJee is the most scummy, but doesn't even try to push. Instead parks his vote on Nisani. FoS on JeeJee that has no real purpose but... On August 16 2011 10:17 Forumite wrote: My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Say whaaaaat? DropBear, slam, Muffin need to seriously step up their posting. Also no one else sees this? On August 16 2011 04:22 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2011 12:00 Ciryandor wrote: Be reminded that it is a Night 0 deadline and that you have 36 hours to choose your scan/spy whatever targets. This seemed to indicate no KPs first night On August 17 2011 04:18 GreYMisT wrote: Voting Nisani as well, its either him or slam500, but atm we have more evidence for Nisani in my opinion. Yeah, no. A post that supports Nisani's slip as being reasonable, then parking his vote on Nisani anyways. I don't think so. ##Vote GreYMisT | ||
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On August 17 2011 14:24 hiro protagonist wrote: bad day. I might not be the most active for the next day or so, as shit has come up IRL. Sense its unlikely I will find a replacement, I will do my best to be as active as possible. checking thread now, brb. Sorry to hear that. Hope everything works out for you man. | ||
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lol, sure thing. Jackal did the same kind of useless joking around thing that he did in PTP as scum. In PTP I made a big post asking what people think, and he replied with "You're scum." In this game he's got: On August 15 2011 05:56 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + You're the Godfather? He's got some really bad posts: On August 15 2011 08:13 Jackal58 wrote: And just for the record a DT check on Varp wouldn't be a bad idea either. Wouldn't be the first time scum fabricated text. I'm not FoSing you Varp I simply don't trust anybody. "DT should check Varp cause I'm suspicious of him but I'm not actually suspicious of him that much lolz." He is accusing people a lot, which I haven't seen him do as scum before. None of them are real, however since he doesn't throw his vote behind then. All in all I'm leaning slightly towards Town on him, but I'd need him to post more to get a better picture. Original Message From DropBear: You have joined. I got bored, noone is talking in thread or in IRC, at least not when I'm there. Taaaaalk to meeeeeeee! chaos was one of the handful of people I tried to talk to via PM and he basically told me to get fucked when I spoke to him. Hopefully you will be more forthcoming because I would like to keep you in my communication circle cos you aren't a muppet. First question, just a starter What do you think of Jackal? I'm guessing DropBear claimed to Jackal as well, based on his suspicions and PMing me about him and no one else. Other than that, DropBear started pushing for Varpulis and Slam which is the only other reason I can see that set him apart from any other target. In case you've all forgotten, I was the one to really set off the GreyMist wagon. Unless you think I'm up to bussing my teammates day 1 and am a complete retard (do you really think if I was scum and chose to hit DropBear, I wouldn't make sure Nisani died first since he knows I know he's a Doc?), it's obvious I am not responsible for DropBear's death. Vig if you hit DropBear then you need to claim this shit right now before you're responsible for a Townie mislynch. | ||
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Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying. This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear. Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me. | ||
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I'm unwilling to believe that scum has 3 KP in a game this small so if there is a Vig out there claim your shit now, in PMs to someone you trust if you don't want your identity outed in the thread. Even if you shot a Townie we're not going to crucify you for it, claim before you get another Townie mislynched. | ||
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On August 18 2011 04:48 DroneAllDay wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2011 11:18 Varpulis wrote: i'm going to sleep. droneallday, why the stealth vote? I believe that I covered the idea that Greymist was pretty scummy in the post where I voted for Nisani, and just from the influx of information I figured that changing votes was a good idea, sorry if it's standard to announce it, it's my first game of mafia. Also Curu, I believe that if I have nothing unique to contribute then I shouldn't because all I give is more spam for the town to gather information from. No, as long as you are posting something that isn't totally useless you help the Town by letting us know where your opinions lie and your stance on things. | ||
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On August 19 2011 07:18 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On August 19 2011 07:00 Curu wrote: ON take a step back, think about the Trotske/hiro situation again, and lemme know if you come to a new conclusion. Meh i got what I wanted out of this. Which was? For anyone who doesn't get my meaning, if either of Trotske/hiro were rivals and scum, one would have definitely shot the other during the night. Thus I don't understand your vote on Trotske. | ||
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This would be completely confirmed if DropBear told someone else too other than Nisani though. | ||
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See, when Nisani made that post saying if DropBear dies then either me or Jackal is Mafia, my natural response was "there's a false connection to me since I'm not guilty of anything." Jackal's natural response was "NISANI IS SCUM HE ACCUSED ME." Guilty conscience. ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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I'm 99% sure he's scum. Careful though, he's acting really strange and trying to draw attention to himself. I think he has a Short Fuse or Rabid Fanboy trait. Oh how accurate my read was. | ||
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On August 17 2011 09:35 Jackal58 wrote: Alright Nisani. My vote is off of you. I've watched you defend yourself from a lynch as scum and as a townie. Townie wins in this comparison. So Nisani who would you like to see lynched and why? Oh and hi Curu. Didn't I just see you in another game? This was your post when Nisani first claimed DT, why the sudden surety about him now? | ||
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Can you explain why you're still alive if you're a claimed DT with the Medic dead? | ||
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On August 20 2011 05:41 Nisani201 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2011 05:38 Curu wrote: That's a nice contradiction from yesterday. I didn't think you could be scum because I was convinced Jackal, GreyMisT, and Forumite were scum together, but maybe what Jackal was saying actually has some merit. Can you explain why you're still alive if you're a claimed DT with the Medic dead? I told you about DropBear. DropBear died, and Jackal didn't kill him. So why are you alive as a DT? I can't explain why Mafia would want to hit DropBear any more than you can explain why Mafia wouldn't want to hit you. If you're going to be contributing nothing else except non-evidence like that you need to shape up. From what it looks like you devised a "clever trap" then used that as an excuse to throw your vote and contribute nothing else. I'll repeat myself again: I'm not an idiot and if I were Mafia I certainly wouldn't kill DropBear until you were dead. | ||
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On August 20 2011 05:44 Forumite wrote: I´m beginning to understand why Nisani201 is still alive, his ability is absolutely useless. Where the hell does this conclusion come from? | ||
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I don't buy that you told me simply because you trusted me for one post I made in the thread. As I said before, telling me who the Doc was made no sense at all unless you were trying to trap me. But you've insisted that you weren't trying to trap me and your insistence on pushing in a second mislynch while ignoring everything else is pretty fishy. | ||
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Think to yourself if someone told you who the Doc was, the first reaction as Mafia should be kill that person THEN kill the Doc. On August 18 2011 03:48 Nisani201 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote: I can't when it's from my sent folder. Original Message From Nisani201: DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying. This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear. Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me. That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear). This is such a ridiculous reason to "trust" someone and tell them who the Doc is. I was sure you were trying to trap me but apparently you weren't. I didn't push this issue yesterday because I was pretty sure Jackal was scum from his reaction but he was legit. Are you just trying to shift the blame to me? | ||
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Hiro, not that I need convincing, but you promised so come deliver. | ||
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On August 21 2011 03:46 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, now that I am awake and functional, I am not so sure about Nisani being scum. Alot of my scumdar relies on how fellow sum interact with each other. Initially, I thought that Curu was 100% town based on the fact that it would be utterly stupid to start a wagon on your teammate day 1. But if there is multiple scum teams, which I think there is, then Curu might not have known he was lynching scum I say there is a 80% chance that one of Curu/Nisani are scum. The real Greek tragedy would be if they are both town, witch might be possible :/ so lets back up a bit, cuz I want some questions answered. Curu, Why where you so sure that Jackal was scum? also, during day 1 there was a group of people talking about tying the lynch with a lurker. heres my PMs with Jackal: Show nested quote + He and ON both give me the willies. Original Message From hiro protagonist: I was approached by TAA. My thought is that Dropbear could have claimed to anyone in that list. I have suspisions about TAA. whats your thoughts on him? Hide nested quote - Original Message From Jackal58: Sknowman. Varpulis, Dropbear, The AwesomeAll and of course Kurumi. It was Kurumi's idea. He approached me with it first. Original Message From hiro protagonist: Just a question, you had mentioned that Dropbear had talked to you about tieing the vote up. Did you talk to anyone else about that? when I asked Curu about this, he said he was not approached. Show nested quote + Nope, nobody that wanted to push lurkers. Jackal is 99% scum but he's acting like a lightning rod. I think he has a Short Fuse or Rabid Fanboy trait. Original Message From hiro protagonist: so, who do you think would be the best lynch tonight? Also where you contacted by anyone about trying to tie the lynch with a lurker? thanks does anyone else notice that alot of people in that list from Jackal are dead? Someone in there is killing PM buddys to cover there tracks. It is also possible that DropBear claimed to someone in that group. and out of everyone in there, I am most suspicious of TheAwesomeAll long story short, I cant make up my mind about Curu or Nisani yet. I think TAA is scum. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Because the first sign of a guilty conscience is to attack your attacker. I could come up with scenarios why I was not guilty because I know I didn't shoot DropBear so there had to be an alternate answer. My mistake in thinking Jackal scum was assuming Nisani is Town because a day 1 DT claim and PMing someone with 1 post the name of the Medic is just watttttt scum play. It didn't occur to me that Nisani could be trying to just push the blame of the Medic's death on me though. | ||
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I told Nisani over and over how stupid it was for me to hit DB but his refusal to listen struck me as a scum trait desperate to push an agenda. Forumite is scum, I'll explain as I write it up. | ||
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On August 16 2011 09:23 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote: On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote: On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote: We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. First off, already saying he won't even think about being in IRC, setting up a thing he can point at later if people accuse him for being scummy for it. As he says in his own post, he has done nothing but discuss mechanics and tactics, he's afraid to lay down a vote of his own so he won't be suspicious if he leads a mislynch. His style is not FoS: On August 16 2011 10:17 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + What´s wrong with not using Irc? IMO, it´s better to use this thread, in here every post is saved, you can read everything I post, while most of your posting in Irc is gone, preventing anyone from calling you out on your posting. On August 16 2011 10:03 JeeJee wrote: On August 16 2011 09:23 Forumite wrote: On August 16 2011 09:04 JeeJee wrote: I don´t use the irc, I don´t post there, I don´t read it. On August 16 2011 08:27 Forumite wrote: On August 16 2011 08:19 Jackal58 wrote: We used that logic in the game I mention above, we ended up lynching both the first target, the second target and the one who changed the vote that first night. 3 days, 3 lynches, 3 Towns dead... On August 16 2011 08:13 Forumite wrote: Multilynching, it might look like a chance to make us kill more scum, effectively increase Town killpower, but I don´t think it will work. Disregarding that we can´t get a reading between the kills and might hit a bunch of Town, it´s hard enough to succeed on a lynch as it is, hitting the exact number of votes for several targets is very hard. In my last game, lynches changed during the last 20 minutes, sometimes changing in the last minute. Unless you get a big alliance together to facilitate the multilynches, there´s no way that it will work except by coincidence and luck, even if you try, it just takes one player disagreeing to ruin it all, and with the lynch aiming at 2+ players, anyone of them can ruin the attempt. If some of you want to try this the first day, go ahead, and good luck, you´ll need it. See that's part of the beauty of it. If there is a tie and somebody votes to change it we have a scumbunny on our hands. If the consensus of town is Player X and Player Y should be lynched and then Player Z changes it up in the last minute we have a definitive lynch or vig shot. Player X= Nisani Player Y = GreYMisT Player Z = JeeJee (I can hear fine sir) So, you're certainly here often enough to write many posts. Trouble is, none of them say a damn thing. Not a one. You started off talking about roles, and taking a stance against mass claiming, then spam/joke some more in the thread. Finally, you finish off the day with another pointless post about roles before going to sleep! If I may use foolishness' patented quote: NOBODY CARES Discussing obscure role mechanics that don't affect anything even IF the roles were in the game (which they may very well not be) is a total waste of space. Discuss people not roles. Ah but then you wake up and ... talk about other irrelevant mechanics such as telling us all that multilynching is going to be difficult! In other news, water is wet. For being here quite a lot, and making quite a lot of posts, you sure said fuck-all in the thread, and certainly nothing at all in irc. Can we vote yet? ##vote:forumite yeah, i'm quite aware As for the rest, I´m giving my opinion when I feel like it, which has been about mechanics and tactics so far. True, I haven´t found anyone I feel is a good candidate for a lynch yet, but there´s still 39 (?) hours left to vote. I´m not in a rush. you should be. sitting around waiting for something to happen is a surefire way to ensure nothing will happen. hell, you yourself complained about the slowness of the thread. would you lynch you if you were in my position? see red. My style isn´t to do random FoS like you seem to prefer. Just because I´m posting about multilynching instead of if A or B is slightly more scummy doesn´t mean I´m not contributing. If there´s not that much to go on this early in the game, then I wait until there is more to go on. Mafia isn´t won during the first day, it takes time to analyse posts and patterns to find scum. But here's a FoS On August 17 2011 07:57 Forumite wrote: I´m putting out a FoS on JeeJee. No posts N0, nothing concrete since then. Spamming Irc under another name and being a general troll. While the sum of his irc-posts are very large, most posts are less than 5 words, they are comments, not analysis, which is what we need in this game. FoS JeeJee As there is no chance of THAT lynch going through, I´m voting for Nisani. He did a scumslip, which might not be that damning, but his defence doesn´t quite add up. It´s partly because of that, and because of basic survival instinct. ##Vote: Nisani201 This post came right when the GreyMisT wagon was picking up heat: On August 17 2011 18:22 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + I did a FoS because it had to be done, but I´m not wasting my vote if I don´t think JeeJee is going to get lynched. On August 17 2011 10:41 Navillus wrote: I'm voting forumite until he comes out and gives us a more recent opinion than that jump on the nisani wagon and FoS of jeejee. ##Vote: Forumite ---- About Nisanis201's rolecheck, I can confirm it, his check result is correct. It doesn´t make him a confirmed Blue, but it gives us enough reason to not lynch him right now. We don´t want to lynch a possible Nisani201, the next candidates are Slam500 and Greymist. Between those, Greymist at least posts in the thread, from looking at the thread and cursory glance at the Irc-chat, Slam500 dropped out of the game a day ago. I´m not sure if I´m here for the deadline, so my vote goes out now. ##Unvote Nisani201 ##Vote: Slam500 He went from Nisani to Slam because Slam was the only one with a chance of getting lynched that wasn't GreyMisT. On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote: I´ll think I´ll try a general postcount before we get to p51, there are several lurkers in the game, and I trust my numbers and analysis more than my scumsense. Scum excuse for not giving an opinion and scum excuse for posting useless stuff while appearing to be contributing. I didn't think he was scum because I was sure Jackal was and Forumite voted for Jackal very easily, but he's scum. ##Vote Forumite | ||
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Hey do us a favour and use your night kill on hiro for me. I'm betting hiro was the one who killed DropBear. | ||
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On August 23 2011 08:07 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2011 06:28 Curu wrote: hiro protagonist is scum, you're right. So you're on the black scum team and hiro is one the red one, right? Hey do us a favour and use your night kill on hiro for me. I'm betting hiro was the one who killed DropBear. The silent treatment? Not even calling it out as an OMGUS? There is such a thing as taking an accusation too cool. ##Vote: Curu Scum votes don't phase me. I don't credit scum with my time. Die quietly. | ||
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On August 23 2011 17:44 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2011 13:50 sinani206 wrote: I don't understand this post at all but what it seems to say is that hiro is not taking the accusation seriously. However, you don't vote for him, you vote for Curu. Maybe you were giving advice to your scumbuddy? Curu is most likely, because he got the bandwagon going, the others are secondary, they tagged along. I added Sevryn to the list for consistency. As for why scumhunting is scummy, I assume you didn´t read that post, so I´ll explain again. Scum has to find the enemy scumteam, so even scum like Curu will go around and try to find out who is looking scummy. The usual scumtells, like knowing in advance who is scum, and not hunting for other scum, don´t apply here. Being a successfull scumhunter doesn´t make you Town. Being aggressive with lynching doesn´t make you Town. lol I'm scum because I scumhunted you and scum need to scumhunt too (the people who aren't scumhunting are Town!). Forumite's basically admitted he's scum. He's saying "don't trust Curu, yeah I'm going to flip scum but he might just be scum hunting scum!" | ||
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Everything you do screams scum, shut up and die. I would've pushed your case day 2 if I wasn't sure Jackal was scum then (doubts on you because of how easily you went to lynch Jackal). | ||
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Let's go over the facts 1. You're scum 2. I'm not scum 3. You're scum I don't need to address your crap because it's tainted with scummy scum scumminess. | ||
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I've been at the head of all three (now four) lynches, don't even try to project your scummy crap on me. | ||
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I'm Town, deal with it. You can keep reaching for reasons to convince people I'm scum though, I need a laugh. | ||
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On August 23 2011 22:35 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2011 22:23 Curu wrote: I've been at the head of all three (now four) lynches, don't even try to project your scummy crap on me. So, I assume you think that makes you Town? My role PM makes me Town, I don't need to convince your scummy ass of anything. Your argument is literally "Curu leads the lynches, he must be scum because scum need to scumhunt too" gtfo. Curu is no longer replying to scum. Anyone else, feel free to ask whatever you want. Forumite, you're invisible till you swing. Swing scum swing. | ||
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-This game had no activity at all. The last few days were a joke. -My team did not kill DropBear. Yes I was scum but Nisani's whole argument was based off of nothing, and he got mislynched cause of it. -8 scum in a 21 person game is ridiculous -My team probably would've won if someone hadn't overridden my kill . I sent in one for Varpulis 2 nights ago and they should have hit MuffinMan after that, taking out the second scumteam. Instead they killed a Townie when they had to kill a scum and got Varpulis too late. gg but I can't really say anyone at all played a decent game in this one. It was spectacularly fail play on all sides. | ||
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