TL Mafia L
Forum Index > TL Mafia |
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 12 2012 14:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Flamewheel look at your thread, can't you see it's dying to go? This is an excellent point. Let me do my part to help. /in | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I don't like bumatlarge at all. First he is unable to check the first post to see if he is actually able to vote for himself or not. I also don't like how he says he really easy to read. Finally, I really don't like how he's asked multiple times for the masons to mason him. Sandroba also draws suspicion for putting up the "I'm bad at scum" defense. Also seems really unfamiliar with the whole election process when I'm pretty sure he's played in several games with elections. I'd have to check on that one, but I'm sure he'll just answer it himself. I gotta question Mr. Wiggles for suggesting that a Godfather would run for office and then drop out early. But I'll just sit back for now and see who else is going to run by the time I wake up tomorrow. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
But whatever. It's not important to talk about and I regret even bringing it up now. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Just sayin'... | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
It should be noted, once again, that the GF is selected after the mayoral elections. Thus mafia can send whoever they want at the elected spots, and if any veteran or suspicious day 1 players get elected then they can put the GF on someone else. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 14 2012 15:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: How do you feel about Protactinium's new lynch candidate - BC? I think its far to early in the game to solidly go after BC. I don't think he's scum just for addressing our rather useless mason role in the way he and I discussed it. I feel the move was solidly pro-town, but I won't trust him still. I never trust BC, L, Incog, or RoL (as evidenced by my repeated murders of RoL). But as of this moment I think he's decently protown, he created a different discussion that needed to be discussed. I will not support any attempts at lynching him day one. Also, we haven't heard from quite a few people on our list of players, most notably L. I also don't think d3 has posted either, which is rather poor to me. As for Palmar, I'll admit I'm seeing a difference, but I've seen this same argument against Palmar a few times. Everyone seems to attack him if he doesn't do his usual posting for mayor or what not. I'd rather he contribute more than what he has. As of right now I find him a very viable lynch candidate. Hi Scamp, how are you, sir? Do you mind gracing me with a few opinions? Like Foolishness pushing for multiple people for mayor, instead of himself?( I still find that the most weird thing about today.) And also Protactinium saying he'd lynch BC if elected - a change from ciryandor. Well alright, but first I question your post. Why did the role of mason need to be discussed? Especially combined with a roleclaim? How is that solidly pro-town? Also, when is a good time to solidly go after BC? Why can't someone go after him on day 1, especially if they have a case to make, and especially since you claim to never trust him? I'm not really opposed to the idea of Foolishness pushing for multiple people and not himself. Last time I checked I'm not running for mayor either, and we elect two people. I find it curious that no one seems to be discussing the usage of the two positions outside of the day 1 lynch, whereas talk about masons cluttered up the thread for a bunch of pages. Finally I'm not really sure why you're asking my opinion on Protactinium going after BC. He posted a pretty verbose argument, you should go pick that apart if you don't like it. My opinion of it is that I think it's legit, but I don't know if it's mafia calling out a notable townie with suspicious behavior because of substandard play (a common mafia Ace tactic, and a good one if that) or if BC truly is mafia and has done a good job of leading the town down topics which aren't quite to the point. I guess they could both be town, too. Highly unlikely that they're both mafia, though. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 14 2012 16:08 Mattchew wrote: foolishness would have stuck with only bill murray had I not mason'd him. Now he pushes for me and bill because to him I am safe. With this post, you will not be getting my vote, unless you post something of substance really, really soon. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Also, y'know, the day 1 lynch is often a big deal. Anyway, I actually like your last couple of posts and you've earned my vote. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I feel like the whole thread went back about 15 pages. Gotta figure out why. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I'm going to vote for L. Also Protactinium you've contributed nothing except long-ass posts against BC. I wouldn't call that focused on finding mafia. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Not really sure why WBG thinks he should still be talking right now. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
But in a different way, I agree. It'd be a confirmed townie, but that info is pretty much useless. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 16 2012 13:24 GGQ wrote: Do you honestly believe that someone who is wrong about one lynch should just stop trying? Trying? No. Playing the way WBG is playing? Yes. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 16 2012 13:55 wherebugsgo wrote: lol you've done a lot too this game, eh? I might have been wrong but I'm not as useless as you are. This is not a proper response and you know it. You also know better. Besides, it was your own words that suggest that people won't want to listen to you. What changed your mind? As for the double-lynch people are discussing right now, I don't think it's a good idea to use it right now. We're certainly going to want to use it in the future, but as of right now I don't see how it's necessary. The town is in a good spot right now. We have one scum down and five townies down. While technically that's a losing ratio it's also way better than what town is expected to be at at this point. On top of that we've only lost a mason and a vigilante, so in terms of power roles we're also doing very well. Thus, we shouldn't be in any hurry to use the double-lynches so quickly. The later we use the double-lynches the better, because we'll have more information to go on at that point. Right now we lack solid leadership and information, and there's no guarantee that we'll have solid leads to go on by day three. Of course, there's never any guarantee that we'll have solid leads later in the game too. However, it is certainly true that it is much more likely to have better leads as the game goes on. Combine that with the fact that, again, the town is in a good spot right now and that means there's no reason to rush the double-lynch. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:11 Lanaia wrote: 49. Scamp - I'm neutral-leaning-scum on this guy. I don't like that he was expecting it and was highly disappointed in it. Proportionately, it was more likely to see a lot of town in there. Him saying that ciry's death was nice felt a bit... unnatural. Also, is that bitterness I see towards WBG? Care to reiterate what you mean by the last line, scamp? How is he playing that is so bad to you? Were you not expecting a bunch of modkills? I thought that everyone was expecting them. And yes I have bitterness toward WBG. I don't like the way he plays. As for clarifying the last line, how about I let WBG do it himself. On January 15 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote: the problem for me now, of course, is that no one is going to listen to me. And later... On January 16 2012 09:26 wherebugsgo wrote: The thing about the Palmar flip is that it makes people like zeks, opz, and several others look bad. Lanaia looks bad as well; she has not commented on anything concrete and so far has had no scum reads. It looks rather similar to her play from XLVII. He neglects to mention himself in all of this. I'm not ready to make a full-blown case out of this but if you look at WBG's post history it would make a lot of sense if both he and BC are scum. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hi all, today we are lynching GGQ. Town has played without direction so far so I'm going to change that. An analysis post will be made early tomorrow PST. In the meantime I will be awake and active on my itouch for an hour or so. Feel free to ask me any questions as long as the answer does not involve copy/pasting quotes. This had better be one excellent analysis post because as I see it GGQ is definitely not the play today. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 16 2012 17:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Pray tell who do you think is the right play? I looked back through your filter and was left baffled by the lack of substance. Congratulations! You earned yourself a spot of the "people getting analyzed tomorrow" list. I find it hard to believe you're calling me out for lack of substance and can't figure out who I would call out to be on the list. It should be easy to spot if there isn't much there. I actually am not opposed to what you're proposing, I just find it suspect that you think you have the right to do such a thing. As in, what exactly makes you think we should listen to you? Also, we have a list of five people to talk about but GGQ is a slam dunk? Like I said, this analysis of yours had better be damn good. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I expect you to try to find scum when you're done crying. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
The point is after Palmar you're carrying on without any substance. If day 1 were a normal vote Palmar would not have been lynched. You've also said that you would look into certain people, but have failed to do so. All I'm saying is to stop carrying on like the Palmar lynch was not a gigantic mistake. And please. I specifically name Sheth in that quote, but you didn't even look at what Sheth said? If you do, it's obvious you've taken my quote way out of context. Your little tirade against me is moronic and shows exceptionally minimal effort. It's hard to believe that you're trying to scumhunt when that's the result. As is, this has gone on long enough. There is no point to this and I don't want it to become a distraction. I will not reply to anything more you have to say about me. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Still, though, did you look at what Meapak posted? I'd like your thoughts on that. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Did anyone else notice Protact's long post on page 92 that makes a case against Ciryandor as if he's still alive? Also people need to take a serious look at Ciryandor's filter in it's entirety. Don't just listen to the parts people have picked out. There is a definite link to him and Protact/Sandroba as well as a distancing to GGQ. Yes it's possible that he was intentionally trying to bus GGQ and buddy up to a townie duo but that's no reason to dismiss the evidence. However, I am not acting on any of these suspicions because it's far more important right now to get everyone talking rather than single out and tunnel one person. There's more than enough discussion today for everyone to speak on something. You don't need to contribute with lengthy analysis or anything, but you do need to contribute. Right now we really need to hear from BC, BM, L, and GGQ, amongst a smattering of others. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 17 2012 09:58 Protactinium wrote: Everyone is talking too much about bussing when it doesn't really make any sense at this point. This I will quote for truth. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 17 2012 10:04 Protactinium wrote: Another example of people who don't read. That post was a re-post of a post I posted on the wrong account before Ciryandor flipped red. Ah, you're right. My mistake. I still don't think GGQ is the right play, though. Can we hear from Macpo? | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Macpo is currently the clear play. I wish he would say something. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Can you please explain what information GGQ gets us as compared to Macpo? And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he going to get modkilled too? Not that we should expect modkills to do the work for us. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
And yeah, if your going to go with the information argument you need a lot more than what you're saying GGQ provides us. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 18 2012 05:28 Jayjay54 wrote: because I think there is an abundance of lynch candidates. sandro, BC, chaos, ggq. a double lynch also enchances the chances of lynching an established player. e.g if today was a double lynch the race for the second place would be REALLY interesting. No, if everyone had two votes this day there would also be 17 votes on GGQ and you would think he is town as well. Enhances the chances of lynching an established player? What? | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Interesting. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I agree with sleep. Night y'all. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 19 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Scamp has spent the majority of the game criticizing others' play. My problem with this is that his play has been nothing to write home about. His advice is "Stop relying on meta." My advice is WATCH HIM! The irony here is that if you knew my meta at all you wouldn't be saying this. On January 19 2012 12:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Something doesn't feel right. BM didn't incarcerate L. Toad got shot. I got shot. Bill needs to get in here and tell us who he incarcerated. I'm totally not ruling out the possibility that a vig tried to shoot Toad, but that means that there are only 3 Mafia KP...which means that Bill incarcerated scum last night. I don't know...something smells fishy. Actually, before we even do this I think we should clarify when mafia KP goes down. It says under the Sheriff description that mafia KP may go down but it doesn't say exactly when. If a mafia is incarcerated which would cause the KP to decrease, would it decrease for that evening or the next? | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:32 Liquid`Sheth wrote: The exception to this, is please if you do shoot, post who you shot RIGHT at the deadline. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 19 2012 13:04 VisceraEyes wrote: That actually looks more like he intended to use his shot - and thanks for pointing to the post that you used to snipe him Scamp U SO NICE!!! You're welcome. Now stop playing like WBG and gain a little context for what you say. The quote from Sheth was from day 1. Reading over Kingjames filter has made me not want to vote for him. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Who else do you think is mafia other than Pandemic? | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Who do you think is mafia other than p4NDemik? | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
So is politeness. Why did you feel the need to answer a question asked of someone else? The point is, however, using today as an example, does he really think we're going to be in a good position tomorrow for a double lynch? | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 21 2012 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how I'm like, marked for death tonight and no one gives a shit what I say. Cool guys. Consider this my last post. Other than asking Protract-whatever about WBG, what have you said exactly? My votes are for sale? Wanna fight about it? | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 22 2012 01:20 wherebugsgo wrote: I'd be so down for this. It's too bad I don't have a gun. This is actually the best campaign for my safety ever. Someone vig Scamp. *Endorsed by risk.nuke and WBG* I'm risk.nuke and I approved this message. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 22 2012 03:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Scamp confTown. LOL Scamp seriously, what are your thoughts on WBG? I think he's tomorrow's lynch. My thoughts on WBG. Someone asked me this? Well, basically it's like this. He's like a baby flicking boogers and hoping something sticks. The thing is that even if something does stick no one wants anything to do with it. His list of players that he doesn't like exceeds the number of possible scum left. His reasoning for most of his suspects are short-sighted and often seem like reactions without any attempt at context. It seems like he has a reputation of being a good player but if he's town I don't see it. Problem is I don't think he's scum. As much as I'd love to see him go down for basically single-handedly targeting me I just haven't thought of his play as scummy. Crappy, yes, and I'm not going to call him guaranteed town or something. But he's also highly active and isn't difficult to keep track of, so I really don't think he's the right play for tomorrow. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 22 2012 03:22 risk.nuke wrote: So scamp, which one of your scumbuddies told you it was basicly scumconfirmation that you never responded to that, and told you to go here and say that? You got me. It was WBG that told me to come here and say that. *mind blown* I said a while ago that I wasn't going to respond to anything WBG said anymore. You, on the other hand, haven't earned that honor yet. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
| ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 24 2012 17:25 wherebugsgo wrote: What was frustrating as well was that I was being criticized by townies (like Scamp) who were themselves not doing anything. At that point I just kinda omgused him because I felt like it. (bad idea on my part) Good thing was, though, no one listened to me. When scamp died I wondered if they were trying to focus the lynch on me, but realized that a case on me would be incredibly difficult to make (this is similar to how Meapak said he knew everything that was going on in his own filter.) You still think I wasn't doing anything? Did you notice that I correctly identified you as just playing badly instead of scum? Okay perhaps I didn't go crazy like you, toad, jayjay, etc. but the way I saw it you guys were just adding to the chaos for no reason. I didn't really feel the need to contribute heavily when so much was going well. There was no threat of me dying, and as it turned out the mafia thought I was a heavy blue. | ||
Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On January 24 2012 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote: well, I feel like it was pretty obvious I was playing badly. Is saying that contributing anything new? IMO, not really. In terms of actual contribution to the game, as townies we have two responsibilities: 1. Find scum and kill them 2. Establish ourselves as town. I failed on #1 but I think for the most part I was okay on #2. No one really thought I was scum beyond VE, and at no point did I ever feel threatened by lynch. If you're not trying to find scum, then what are you doing? I dunno. At no point did I feel like you were actively looking for scum. That's why I was so harsh on you. It wasn't personal or anything (so sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way) but when people don't actually scumhunt, and then berate others for being wrong, it's incredibly frustrating because they can't possibly be wrong when they don't try to begin with. There's this famous hockey quote (or something like that) that says you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Anyway, big thanks to Flamewheel and jcarl for hosting! I didn't take anything personally. So don't worry about that. It's mafia, I know better. But I'll give you some advice for free, you need to expand your thinking when it comes to this game. Your style may work better when it comes to smaller games but you gotta adapt. You should note that I fit your criteria for #2 very well except for perhaps your eyes and risk.nuke, depending on how serious you guys were about shooting me if you could. You may miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take, but it's not always right to take a shot. Sometimes shots make things worse. And what if someone else is better at shooting than you are? You pass them the puck. So why the hell would I start shooting from the hip when we had strong, strong contributions from very strong and almost assuredly townie players? I wasn't mad at you just for being wrong. You were wrong, admitted as such kinda by saying people wouldn't listen to you, but then carried on again doing your own thing when there were excellent contributions from other people that were better to look into in every way. Why did you try to do your own thing so obsessively? For more comparison's sake, compare me with just about every mafia lurker and think about who was more suspicious. Who had me as mafia over opz? Or munk-E? Macpo? L? Nisani? Heck, a bunch of townies were more suspicious than I was. I believe that list includes you. Prolly not by much, though. Point is I was doing my part. You may not choose to acknowledge it but I don't mind. On the other hand you admit to playing badly but it really doesn't seem like you're trying to learn from it at all. | ||
| ||