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On January 06 2012 08:31 syllogism wrote: I'd like to highlight that it is a PM game painfully much work to do. I'd like to /in but before the 13. of January, I won't be able to put more than 1 hour/per day into that game. After that I'll be there for you ;-) | ||
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On January 06 2012 08:35 flamewheel wrote: Taking signups starting from December 16th. when do you think will be the start? if we're full? | ||
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edit: mh ah well I thought about it. I guess it'll be okay :-P spending probably one week without pause in irc will solve most of the problems | ||
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On January 09 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote: i dont want to be a doomsayer or anything but this game will never start oh you. | ||
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*just thinking out loud btw. Can we start? | ||
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On January 10 2012 21:37 Chaosquo wrote: look at my posting time and his last edit time Also, more german here Your profile says you're from china. I don't know if I can trust you. Prove it! (Erandorr, you're doing it right.) | ||
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now tell me what the meaning of this is: + Show Spoiler + Die Behandlung der Freigabe nicht akzessorischer Sicherheiten ist unklar. § 766 ist grundsätzlich nur auf die genannten akzessorischen Sicherheiten anwendbar. Allerdings besteht gem. § 242, 401 bei fiduziarischen Sicherheiten eine Pflicht des Altgläubigers, diese auf den Neugläubiger zu übertragen. Insoweit besteht hier also eine Regelungslücke bei gleicher Interessenlage. Folglich ist § 776 analog anwendbar. Der Bürge wird insoweit frei, als er Ersatz aus der fiduziarischen Sicherheit hätte erlangen können. Umstritten ist, ob diese Vorschrift auch auf den Schuldbeitritt analog anwendbar ist. Hier hilft eine Einzelfallbetrachtung im Rahmen von § 242. | ||
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On January 12 2012 21:36 syllogism wrote: I fear this game is going to have 20+ players who don't have enough time and/or will to even establish their innocence to some degree and all the good players who roll town will get shot within a day or two. Elections should be interesting though. please /in | ||
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On January 12 2012 21:58 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that's what I'm scared off too. Gogo lucky dice give me a mafia role! :p being scum is incredibly boring. i hope i roll medic or vet | ||
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On January 12 2012 22:37 wherebugsgo wrote: town players for like the last 3 months have been playing really badly. with exceptions, yes. On January 12 2012 22:45 Toadesstern wrote: so join this game in improve this situation! he already did and i am pretty happy about that | ||
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starting to read through it now. i need some more time to decide who i want to support without reading the thread or anything i want wbg or palmar in an elected position. | ||
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On January 14 2012 03:32 risk.nuke wrote: I get the feeling palmar is trying to cover up scumplay by playing too much like his scumplay. You know what I mean? or maybe he's acting scummy to survive nigth1 OR he's scum, acting scummy to make us believe that he's town, acting scummy to survive the night. Or he's acting scummy because he's scum. Or he doesn't act scummy because it's day1 and he can't do shit right now. | ||
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I want to introduce myself for the players that don't know me. I rolled town like my last 6 or 7 games and I think I learned a lot since then. I developped a pretty solid strategy to find scum. I a huge game like this I modified this strategy a little bit: I just devided all the players into 3 groups. The first group are players i am familiar with and I have special expectations about. The second group are players I don't know well and I expect them to do well and the thirdgroup are players I don't know well and I have no expectations. Each group of players will be divided into 4 categories. Townread, slight townread, no read and scumread. I will add quotes and short explanations to each player i add into one category. I really think finding town is the way to find scum. Real scumslips are extremely rare. _____________ I think this is a pretty good approach to contribute to this game and for the new players it's extremely important to I don't need to be mayor, but since I am someone who is working on the game, I think you better listen to me. Moreover if i request medicprotection, I don't do this for fun. Right now I feel pretty save since there are better targets than me, but when the time has come and I ask you to do me that favor, please don't screw up :D If someone wants to elect me as mayor, I don't say no. But right now I evaluate my chances as pretty low, so I don't want to cause even more chaos with a big campaign. Alright that's it. The mayoral campaigns are pretty poor so far. BC's is the best, but I expect him to write up the best mayoral candidacy post even as scum, so I have yet to decide who to vote for. _________ One thing I've left to say: Palmar, you need to increase your activitylvl. Otherwise you won't survive day1 that's for sure. You know I refuse to kill good palyers early on, because I think everyone has a bad day from time to time and a second chance isn't that bad. + mislynches happen far too often. And last but not least, I am always okay with lynching useless lurkers. They have to die at some point, it's no problem to kill one of them day1. (The list of these players is long right now). I don't care if it's easy for scum to manipulate these kills, townlukers are useless and scummy and when it comes down to lylo these guys are the ones that make town lose. | ||
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On January 15 2012 06:26 Palmar wrote: I'm off for a while, I'm tentatively voicing interest in getting VisceraEyes into a good position, even if he's terrible he's at least looking town. It's nice to have townies in positions. I would actually like a Protact/VE combo in office. so you think BC is scum? Please Palmar. Don't make this so easy. | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:30 Kurumi wrote: the time you're getting yourself a shower. i wonder if you're the singing type LOL! :D | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:33 Kurumi wrote: Since I need to look smart now Scum are going to play not-so active and not-so inactive generic tip #5320532752375235326247 Fine now right I know Yes WBG voting case is worrying no my question was the masonthing... | ||
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I think I won't change my opinion anymore. Maybe I'll switch to L. | ||
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On January 15 2012 08:20 supersoft wrote: okay I am giving my vote to the one I think is most likely town. It's BM. I think I won't change my opinion anymore. Maybe I'll switch to L. Of course I have insiderknowledge there. He voted me and I know I am town, so I know for sure that he at least doesn't vote scum for mayor... It's not a real reason for you to vote him. Besides that vote, he is posting actively and asking questions that scumplayers know. I mean, if I am scum, I know that scum has a QT, therefor the question how they communicate during daytime is strange as scum because it's so obvious you don't ask yourself the question, how they do it... Moreover his posts make sense, overall. I refuse to vote for wbg right now and I have my reasons. I also agree with his case on Palmar. | ||
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I just remembered your paranoid case agaist the modconfirmed townie curu when you were town. I am willing to believe that you are town, but I don't think BC is a good shot. | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:24 Palmar wrote: So, it's 1 am my time now. WBG, I think you're town, however, you're playing terribly. You don't have a case on me, you've never written one up. If you remove meta from your case you're literally stuck with nothing. I suggest we put visceraeyes and protactinium in the office. I would prefer a BC or Cyri lynch, maybe even sandroba. Anyone who's town and voting for someone that intends to lynch me, needs to take a look at what they're doing, because I'm not the one playing badly, I've simply posted less than usual. There is nothing you have on me expect meta, thus the case is completely invalid, and when I flip town, you will have proven yourselves to be really dumb and bad. It's one thing voting for a bad case, but voting for a non-existant one? Anyway, make the right decision, nighty. Okay guys. Palmar needs to die. His choices for the office make no sense from a townpalmars point of view. On December 14 2011 23:48 Arctocod wrote: For the love of god. If we have a vigilante, just shoot this guy. Please, please, please don't allow him to play. why that Palmar? On December 15 2011 03:24 Arctocod wrote: I like most new people. I actually go out of my way to get new people involved. I dislike playing with people who actively sabotage games they're in. Until your town play becomes good enough to hold you accountable for doing stupid stuff, it's simply not fun playing with you. There is no way to figure you out when you're mafia because you cannot be lynched for being wrong, because you're almost always wrong as town too. It's annoying because simply having you in the game decreases town's chance of winning, regardless of your alignment. But, I am going to completely stop being a dick to you for now, and since that outburst looked pretty townie to me, I'm going to assume you're town. Please change my opinion of you. Ah because he's annoying and terrible... Since when did you change your mind about VE? Since he shot bum? the scummy lurker? Seriously. Palmar I don't buy that story at all. Whoever is elected into office NEEDS to shoot Palmar. It's so easy. | ||
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At some point of time you have to come to a decision. Palmar is the best lynch today. WBGs case is solid. My addition to it is solid. This case is based on meta. Of course it is. We know Palmar from many many games we played with him. He is playing extremely bad. In the eyes of a townpalmar, VE and incognito are poor choices for office. You may ask him post-game. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:24 Nisani201 wrote: WBG have you been reading the thread? BC, Sandroba, and Ciryandor are much better candidates that have a much better chance of flipping scum than Palmar. hahahahahaha. Have you read my most recent post about palmar? I guess you did because you asked why I am quoting posts from other games. townPalmar guy thinks that VE is bad, therefor needs no protection, someone who needs no protection doesnt belong into office. Palmar in this game thinks VE should be into office, Palmar in this game isnt town. | ||
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whoever is #1 right now, please trust wbg and myself with the palmarcase. It's rocksolid. | ||
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On January 15 2012 11:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ##vote meapak have 8 minutes before i get raped with a stick so shoving it on the only candidate i feel isnt retarded, if i can speed read why people are voting for incog I will change my vote potentially. If you kill Palmar i am switching to you. Answer me, quick. | ||
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inognito shouldn't be mayor!!! macpep or whatever his lynchtarget is called is a horrible kill. Palmar is the one and only good case right now. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:22 Palmar wrote: If you're town, you're now degraded to completely useless and terrible. But you're probably scum because no one is this bad. please palmar. Why don't you explain why VE is a good officecandidate in your eyes this game, rather than attacking the person who pointed your uncommon play out. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:27 Toadesstern wrote: why are you awake at 3:30 am in the morning? I thought you don't care about the election? dude it's 4:30 here... | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:29 Palmar wrote: Just look at his posting in the game, he's been active, he's put himself out there, his dayvig failure seems genuine enough to me. The reason he's a good candidate is that he really looks like a townie. And apparently he's less terrible than wherebugsgo. since when does someone who is "less terrible" belong into office with bg-protect? | ||
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false assumption, plan is therefor useless. Sorry. This plan makes masons completely useles... (Moreover the execution - even if this makes sense - is nearly impossible) | ||
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On January 16 2012 07:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: How so? This is a mason circle that can talk to each other for longer than one day, as compared to random masons being able to talk to one player for one day, and never after that. Have you ever played in PM games, and do you know the effectiveness of a mason circle? The point is to bounce ideas off of each other, and create analysis. By talking continuously in PM, the masons should be able to get good reads on each other as well, thus strengthening the power of the circle once they root out any potential scum. Only dumb scum will actually be able to be caught by a town mason in this game by talking to them for one day (especially when they can just ignore the mason and use BC as an excuse), whereas this plan allows us to create a town circle to create analysis. Right now, your post is completely worthless, as it provides zero reasoning for anything you said. Try harder. pff your plan won't happen. I don't have to try harder. What the hell are you thinking? Do you think it's effective if BC discusses his reads with jitsu? | ||
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Okay, I want to talk about the nightkills really quick: Kurumi and Wriggles are good players but not the most valauable ones. However they played a good d1 and established their innocence very well. Kurumis jokes and wriggles odd mason-plan made me put them on my green list. Gigays is someone I didn't even notice so far. Obviously the scumteam decided to kill rather green-looking people than the more obvious choices like foolishness etc. II. Lynching WBG? As for wbg as a lynchtarget: He is one of the worst targets I could think of. He was the only person that build a real case on day1. The Palmarlynch was in retrospec a justifiable lynch. I joined WBG there and I think we didn't leave out any important things. Palmars play this game was different and he didn't make any sense. If you want to lynch WBG or me for being wrong you're just dumb. As long as WBG is making sense and he doesn't defend someone for bad reasons or push a lynch with bad reasons AND as long as he's active as he is right now, we have no reason to lynch him. | ||
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On January 16 2012 23:32 L wrote: I've gotta get to work, but: 1) The filter list on the OP post seems to have vanished. If you guys could get it back up, that would be tits. 2) Short end of the stick is that Kurumi crumbed shooting Kenpachi yesterday and he's still alive. I wanted to wait to see if he'd claim being hit, but he hasn't. Veterans/Medic protected individuals on the town side would have claimed this asap. Kenpachi wasn't jailed, I was roleblocked. Given all of that, the only way I can explain him being alive after Kurumi's flip is that Kurumi's pretty overt crumb was a lie (odd, given that kurumi WAS a vig), or that Kenpachi is the mafia jack, or was saved by the mafia jack. So uh, Kenpachi's my lynch vote for the day. okay, that's something we can work with. On January 15 2012 07:06 Kurumi wrote: fml Kenpachi has been marked for death! At first, I cannot believe how often Kurumi is a vig. He's almost every game I play with him some kind of vig. I bet he asks the hosts to be vig individually :D Okay, I thought about this situation and I remember a game like 6 months ago where Kurumi was vig and said he wants to shoot me and shot palmar instead (we were both town back then lol). The first moment I read Ls post, I thought it's the same this time. And I do think it possibly is, if noone counterclaims anything. However the current scenario has one difference to the situation back then. In the 6-months-ago game Kurumi claimed vig before. This time he just "marked Kenpachi for death". | ||
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On January 16 2012 23:39 Jackal58 wrote: Sandroba. When he disappears he's scum. He has disappeared. On January 14 2012 04:26 sandroba wrote: Okay let me address somethings I liked in this thread: 1) Proactinum post is the best one so far. Fuck yes I like it. Cyriandor is my top candidate for lynch if I get elected. 2) Jackal's idea is very good. If I'm elected I'll lynch 1 or 0 bg. 3) I'm seriously considering supporting a mason mass claim day1. Mafia will have to claim it early if they ever want to use it and it gives us good basis for discussion. These big games fall rapidly out of control if we don't keep focus and this will give us something to go by. So you think he knew that he has no real chance to get into office? Do you furthermore think that scum shot Cyriandor themselves? | ||
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On January 17 2012 00:03 Jackal58 wrote: I think a vig shot Cyr. Sandroba has no problems with calling out a team mate. He was all over Annul from day 1 on in XXXVIII. okay right. And what do you think about kurumi/kenpachi? Do you think the vig that shot cyriandor should claim? | ||
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On January 14 2012 12:16 Nisani201 wrote: I would recommend against a Palmar lynch. The argument against him is entirely meta-based, and as such should not be used as the basis of an argument. However I would like to see him post more. Well you know the point is, if you defend someone, you have to defend him in this individual case and not only say something like that this method of finding scum is bad in general and therefor the case is. I want to hear some personal thoughts. This makes me believe you're scum nisani. If you know that Palmar is town, you don't need to explain why you think that. From your scumpoint of view it's okay to critisize the methods, because you already know the result. Someone from a townPOV (there were several people who did that) posts something like: "he's probably lazy" or "has a bad day" you know? Something he experiences himself. Especially a player like you. Where did you make that experience that cases based on meta are bad? Palmar/syllogism killed Curu last game completely based on meta. On January 15 2012 11:04 Nisani201 wrote: ffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu i pressed post by accident... Anyways, WBG, a case based entirely on meta IS invalid. If Palmar acts like this in D2, we can treat him like a lurker. We should all expect scumhunting from him tomorrow, but until then, the case on him is stupid. okay, you're pushing your "read" a little bit stronger. I like that "stupid". However you're not sharp enough (can I say that?) in your reasoning. On January 15 2012 11:13 Nisani201 wrote: It's pointless to scumhunt on D1 with elections because no one is really getting lynched anyways. If he decided to scumhunt with correct reads, that would make him a mafia target anyways. That's why we should keep an eye on him on D2. mhm... doesnt make much sense... On January 15 2012 11:14 Nisani201 wrote: supersoft why did you just quote something from another game? O.o On January 15 2012 11:24 Nisani201 wrote: WBG have you been reading the thread? BC, Sandroba, and Ciryandor are much better candidates that have a much better chance of flipping scum than Palmar. actually I think you're scum nisani. Listing one fellow scumteammember at the last position in a row of three people doesnt make it better. Your defense of palmar isn't really good. You give no reasons. All you say is meta is bad. That's not enough to convince anyone. I think you were trying to gain towncred from that story. | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:07 Chaosquo wrote: He isnt as disruptive as you want to make us believe he is. He is essentially doing the same thing palmar has done, i.e. shitting on plays that he thinks are bad. That doesnt make him the most pleasant to work with, but still no scum. I kind of agree with that... | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:28 sandroba wrote: What in the fuck is that post jayjay? That whole wall post doesn't say shit and your conclusion is even more baffling to me. Nice try scum, but you need to make a bit more sense if you want to look good. Huge walls of nothing ain't gonna cut it. ... do you really think he's scum? | ||
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On January 17 2012 02:32 Jayjay54 wrote: OMGUS much? if you want to ride, come on and ride. Make a case. I know that there's a lot of requoting in my post. But it is no empty space, because I summed up what all killed players were up to....and draw my conclusions. to be fair. Your last post doesnt' make much sense. But yesterday you contributed some good, logic stuff. As far as I remember... Now you look like someone jumping on the lynch sandrotrain... | ||
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Cannot see anything suspicious about sandrobas play so far. | ||
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On January 17 2012 08:41 Lanaia wrote: Supersoft/BillMurray Do you guys think a doublelynch is a good idea? i really dont think so atm. I prefer to use them a little bit later like day3 and day4... | ||
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On January 17 2012 10:31 wherebugsgo wrote: supersoft: Is Toad scum? I have an answer already, I want you to help. You being German and all. mh I am undecided right now. I read through his 8 pages of blabla 3 times now and there is no town or scumtell. I guess I'll come back to him towmorrow, you know... | ||
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uh. Is L avaliable? | ||
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The case against BM is hard to understand for me right now. I propose that we lynch this macpo guy (even if town, he's no real loss/he won't be able to reestablish his innocence even if he's town) and Caosque. I just read through BMs filter and I don't see it. | ||
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On January 18 2012 11:20 supersoft wrote: I am voting Chaosquo. I like cybercheeses case against him the most. The case against BM is hard to understand for me right now. I propose that we lynch this macpo guy (even if town, he's no real loss/he won't be able to reestablish his innocence even if he's town) and Caosque. I just read through BMs filter and I don't see it. Furthermore he's the sherrif and we should direkt his power a few nights long. We chose one target for him an he executes that order. In the worst case, we direct him to jail a - if he's scum - fellow scummember and both fakeclaim that the jailing had happened. If he jails someone else he dies. | ||
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On January 19 2012 13:01 p4NDemik wrote: I've been incredibly lazy over the last few days (I've been reading the thread but the first couple of days left me pretty burnt out -___- Anyways I'm all for voting Bill Murray as his behavior yesterday was incredibly erratic. Which leads me to this post and my second vote: This post seems extremely odd for a number of reasons, first of all he has this proposition that we lynch macpo, but refuses in putting his vote in for him. I cannot understand why a townie would come in with a post explaining his vote and feel it necessary to express his distaste for another player he wasn't voting for but oddly still supports lynching. Feels like he doesn't want to vote Macpo but at the same time wants to get in this last sliver of distrust so his intentions aren't questioned at the time. Secondly, he just latches on to another case when explaining his vote (keep in mind even cybercheese didn't feel strongly enough to vote for Chaosquo), this feels like a lazy cop-out for having to post an explanation. Finally he has this bit about the case against BM being hard to understand. I have this as the weakest point because it is buttressed if BM flips red, but I thought all along the BM case was incredibly clear cut. He made some odd claims and had a lot of erratic behavior, which not surprisingly drew a lot of suspicion. Even if you don't agree with it I don't think it at any time has been difficult to grasp why people want him lynched. Couple that with this suspicious chain of posts following L's candidacy for Mayor and I feel strongly enough to make this my second vote today. "Maybe I'll vote for L" "BM most likely town!!" bs #mafiatalk ##Vote Bill Murray and ##Vote supersoft guys!! Ferrr liquidia! mhm. if you rip my posts out of the context and change the chronologic order i really am suspicious. i btw called out L. Only because i had so few time i didn't push for his lynch. + it wasn't necessary to vote macpop, because he already had a comfortable lead. also as long as caosque isnt town, there is no reason to suspect me. and even if he is, i just might have been wrong and that doesnt make me scum. | ||
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I claim right now, because scum already has that information. I masoned L yesterday and he refused to talk to me. He was never online when I was. With that information it's quite easy for you to know who I masoned Day1. It obviously was WBG and we talked a lot about Palmar. Obviously. From now on I'll be more active in the thread. Promised. | ||
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On January 20 2012 10:35 supersoft wrote: sorry toad. I already masoned someone else. He isn't answering, too btw. I send that guy a message like 10 hours ago. I'll stop masoning scummy people. I hate to wait. | ||
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the case against me is horrible. I masoned wbg and told him i am going to mason L. I even softclaimed masoning L in the thread. Why would I do all this. He didn't even respond me. | ||
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When my masoned buddy comes online I'll present my lynchcandidates. But I want to discuss my reads with that guy first. Sorry. It's not my fault that he need so much time (sleep?) | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG is scum. I'ma vote for WBG. He's been pushing for Toad for days, and aside from "I don't like him" he hasn't given any good reason why he needs to die. And now that Toad has taken a hit, WBG disappears. It could be a coincidence, and it might not be. I think WBG is scum who can't find an 'easy' target to attack. ##Vote: WBG I kind of agree. Did wbg post the part when we talked about me masoning L? I lost that part... wait a second... | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:16 supersoft wrote: I kind of agree. Did wbg post the part when we talked about me masoning L? I lost that part... wait a second... but I am afraid of wbgs play. He's really hard to read for me. Last game I played against him when he was scum. I'd have rather lynched myself than him because I fell for his play. On the other hand, when he was town, it was my fault that he was lynched. One game before that first mentioned game... You know what I mean. This game he's not so much focussed on me believing him.. | ||
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On January 21 2012 04:19 supersoft wrote: but I am afraid of wbgs play. He's really hard to read for me. Last game I played against him when he was scum. I'd have rather lynched myself than him because I fell for his play. On the other hand, when he was town, it was my fault that he was lynched. One game before that first mentioned game... You know what I mean. This game he's not so much focussed on me believing him.. Moreover he softly accused me recently and posted, that I might be scum. Well. Would he do that, if he was scum? I don't know. | ||
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I want you to think about the following scenario: You join a game as mason and you're town. You replaced someone and the shit is completely out of control because the thread has like 100 pages. You're replacement, because you actually want to play. What do you do day1: a) Hide b) Mason somebody and talk about what's going on. If you're scum, what do you do day1? a) Hide and talk to your scumbuddys what to do b) mason a townie? c) pretend having masoned a teammate and being in danger to get forced to prove that with some logs. ___________________________________ glurio looks really bad. (I'd like to paint him in like pink because I am only 70% sure that he's scum.) | ||
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I leaned town on him because of his comment on L. However his discussion with jayjay was strange, because i expect townsandro not to OMGUS blindly. + I think jayjay is town right now. (Only if wbg is town, too, because we figured that one out) but that doesnt really matter since sandroba is capable to bus. | ||
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##Vote ~Opz~ I voted these two guys right now. Opz is kind of a placeholder, but he was red on my list before and I saw kita and i spontaniously agreed. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:25 Slardar wrote: Interesting to note BC, Protract and Foolishness all immediately have taken votes off BM. They're all scum? Is that what you want to say? pfff You guys. Sometimes I don't know what you're thinking. This setup is somehow balanced. I am 100% sure that at least 2 of these guys are town. I am working throgh the thread right from the beginning and sorting my lists and copy quotes. it's incredibly annoying to deal with stupid things like this all the time. I mean. If I reread your filter in endgame. What do I think? If no funny coincidence confirms you as town, you're free to lynch in my eyes. You're unjudgeable. We have to get rid of people like this. | ||
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Funny that erandorr refuses to play games when he rolls scum... :-( | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:38 hiro protagonist wrote: Funnier still that I like to lurk as scum, and give no reads... ^__^ yes okay. I just looked up erandorrs posts and i had the impression that he's town back then. Well. He might have been had different reasons to quit the game this time... | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:44 Toadesstern wrote: he was mafia in that 80 player game. I made a case about him early on (like d2?), placed a fos on him, telling him to start playing. Still remember it because I was really pissed later on that I did not push for his lynch :p I need your read on sandroba now!!! :D sorry. I need to gather some informations. I might mason you tomorrow. Discussing this game in german is much easier. Otherwise I'll have to take jayjay. :-/ | ||
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If he's newb, I think he got coached there: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 19:00 EchelonTee wrote: Candidates and their main platform post+summary: kitaman bumatlarge-(also made a post here) Wiggles - town CC Foolishness (for BM) risk.nuke BM BC sandroba VE Meapak Cyber_Cheese and Foolishness comes off to me as most untrustworthy. Quotes in spoilers are marked with red numbers. CC 1. Though there isn't anything egregiously wrong with being super generic in campaign post, this post is also very very sparse for a campaign post. This is less of platform than Wiggles' non-platform platform. The "my scum play is bad" nonsense is also suspect. Stating that he intends to lynch a scummy mayorial candidate is interesting, but as it stands, he in essence is just saying "I will lynch a scum, and vote for a pro-town/active person". Not compelling enough for a platform. 2.Now that candidates have spoken, I'm interested who CC thinks the "scummiest candidate" is, as atm your posting has been incredibly sparse for a potential candidate. CC is either apathetic or evasive with information, neither of which are favorable for a mayor position at all. 3.Wiggles forgetting that Mayor has 3 votes was already stated in the thread. CC is not only answering only a small snippet of Wiggles' post; his assertion here doesn't really make sense in context of the thread. Why is he psuedo-analyzing Wiggles' post? He is commenting on the most obvious part of Wiggles post... something is just strange here. Also, Mayor's power increases a LOT as LYLO approaches... I don't like how he downplays it. 4.Bum's post isn't inherently scummy but could be construed as such; trying to lead blues astray / gain credit by telling blues what to do can advance a scum agenda, but if you look at bum's post, his blue list is pretty...... tame. It's just general advice; at this early part of the game I don't see how you can see this as scummy. It seems like you are trying to intentionally cast doubt on his position, unfairly. 5. This feels like weak back pedaling... bum's post doesn't reek election on power; though his blue list is long, he's just stating strategy. 6.Honestly I'm most interested in CC's tone... posting style is very sparse as noted, but the very point-by-point feel to his posts, especially this section, feels like he is trying to put out a minimal amount of information while still trying to sway things a certain way. Posting minimally can be good, but when also trying to get things done... I don't know. It's strange and evasive. Adam, I'm curious if you are still for Cheese. Will make another post on Foolishness and who I like for mayor... this is taking forever lol. | ||
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On January 21 2012 09:49 supersoft wrote: Futhermore, I want to know if echlontree has already played a few games so far, and if so I need the gamenames/links would be extremely kind. ;-) If he's newb, I think he got coached there: + Show Spoiler + On January 13 2012 19:00 EchelonTee wrote: Candidates and their main platform post+summary: kitaman bumatlarge-(also made a post here) Wiggles - town CC Foolishness (for BM) risk.nuke BM BC sandroba VE Meapak Cyber_Cheese and Foolishness comes off to me as most untrustworthy. Quotes in spoilers are marked with red numbers. CC 1. Though there isn't anything egregiously wrong with being super generic in campaign post, this post is also very very sparse for a campaign post. This is less of platform than Wiggles' non-platform platform. The "my scum play is bad" nonsense is also suspect. Stating that he intends to lynch a scummy mayorial candidate is interesting, but as it stands, he in essence is just saying "I will lynch a scum, and vote for a pro-town/active person". Not compelling enough for a platform. 2.Now that candidates have spoken, I'm interested who CC thinks the "scummiest candidate" is, as atm your posting has been incredibly sparse for a potential candidate. CC is either apathetic or evasive with information, neither of which are favorable for a mayor position at all. 3.Wiggles forgetting that Mayor has 3 votes was already stated in the thread. CC is not only answering only a small snippet of Wiggles' post; his assertion here doesn't really make sense in context of the thread. Why is he psuedo-analyzing Wiggles' post? He is commenting on the most obvious part of Wiggles post... something is just strange here. Also, Mayor's power increases a LOT as LYLO approaches... I don't like how he downplays it. 4.Bum's post isn't inherently scummy but could be construed as such; trying to lead blues astray / gain credit by telling blues what to do can advance a scum agenda, but if you look at bum's post, his blue list is pretty...... tame. It's just general advice; at this early part of the game I don't see how you can see this as scummy. It seems like you are trying to intentionally cast doubt on his position, unfairly. 5. This feels like weak back pedaling... bum's post doesn't reek election on power; though his blue list is long, he's just stating strategy. 6.Honestly I'm most interested in CC's tone... posting style is very sparse as noted, but the very point-by-point feel to his posts, especially this section, feels like he is trying to put out a minimal amount of information while still trying to sway things a certain way. Posting minimally can be good, but when also trying to get things done... I don't know. It's strange and evasive. Adam, I'm curious if you are still for Cheese. Will make another post on Foolishness and who I like for mayor... this is taking forever lol. ah forget what i said. I think this guy is legit. Painting him green. I kind of buy his "forgot the towntag"-story .... However it's remarkable that he accuses CC together with BM... | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:06 hiro protagonist wrote: fuck I just read the vote tally from flamewheel... far to many votes on BM OK, I dont know if this is the right move, but I dont want to risk losing Protac: I Am A Detective. obviously I got a red check on Sandroba night one. Some scum will try to argue that he was framed or miller bullshit. but his check matchs with his actions. Now go vote Sandro and NOT BM for now!!!!! With that Im late to work. DO THE RIGHT THING!!!! hmm you realize that sandroba was suspicious day1 and he would have been the perfect framertarget... Anyway. I trust you there. Because as scum, this claim is incredibly dumb and as town it is okay. Let's do it. | ||
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Furthermore I think wbg is town now, just because sandro flipped scum. wbg was on sandro from day1 on in our PMs. | ||
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On January 21 2012 19:29 hiro protagonist wrote: -__- What the fuck happened to this thread? People need to chill out cuz we got tons of info to find scum. I just got home, and Im going to bed. Ill give my thoughts on my reads in the morning. and yes I got a check for someone on day 2. I wont reveal who till just before the day post for obvious reasons... medics on this guy btw. | ||
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On January 21 2012 20:00 Jayjay54 wrote: I hate post like that. Directing medics is a fucking aweful Idea. This doesn't encourage a medic to protect him, it actually makes him WIFOM if he really should protect him, because mafia is reading this very post. STOP DIRECTING BLUES. Trust them, they've been pretty great so far and know what they're doing. Especially N1: N1 red DT check, N1 medic save. Also 2 great vig shots. wrong. blues are dumb. dont trust them, direct them. | ||
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On January 21 2012 20:48 Jayjay54 wrote: don't say something with your own words, if someone else already phrased it with better words. from the general guide to mafia: the general guide didnt fall from heaven, engraved in stone. This is a opinion of some guy and I have my own. In this individual case, it's fairly obvious that the almost confirmed DT needs some protection. | ||
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On January 21 2012 21:02 Jayjay54 wrote: and it will be obvious to the medics as well. but you kind of destroy the shadow of doubt for scum. I don't agree with your call here, sorry. " but you kind of destroy the shadow of doubt for scum. " this sentence doesnt make any sense. How does the scumteam know whether the medics really listen to me? Trust me. They put enough effort in the process of finding their target. Their heads explode when they think about whether to shot hiro or not. They have to get rid of him or he'll continue to confirm townies and kill scum :D We don't even need shadow of doubt. What we need, is a save DT. | ||
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On January 21 2012 21:28 Jayjay54 wrote: I don't even.... @supersoft: I just think that without directing blues, the scum target choice will be even harder. whatever. where we agree is that a DT is pretty good, so we should keep him On January 21 2012 21:19 rgTheSchworz wrote: No, they'll RB him continously, if they haven't got any other obvious target. Why risk protection? On January 21 2012 20:41 supersoft wrote: wrong. blues are dumb. dont trust them, direct them. hahahaha thanks jaj! You're basically right jay, but in this case, I know that our heromedics will screw up if we don't tell them what to do. Because the end of the story is a dead DT and a medic in the postgame analysis like: "wtf i thought they only RB him." | ||
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HEY DEAR SCUMTEAM! Tracker would be awesome right??? :D | ||
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On January 22 2012 20:58 supersoft wrote: spontaniously I'd vote for ~opz~ / bumatlarge / glurio jitsu and nisani also look not too townish... | ||
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On January 22 2012 21:02 p4NDemik wrote: supersoft are you seriously still making posts that are this unhelpful? You cannot be town and be such an active mafia player like you are supposed to be. you realize that i dont spit out these names for fun. Do you think one of them is town and why | ||
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On January 22 2012 21:07 p4NDemik wrote: His biggest defense has been Foolishness and BC going to a post that supersoft made on the 15th. Something that he didn't bring up himself. That has literally been the best they have been able to muster. The defense of supersoft thus far this game has been pitiful. dude you're terribly overestimating yourself. I am town and you have no good case. Noone is listening to you - not because they're all scum - but rather because your case is bad. But I want to thank you at this point. Your effort is probably what keeps me alive in this game. Scum won't shoot me because then you actually might find one of them and tunnel him endlessly. | ||
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On January 22 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote: I just want to remind people that this is probably the fucking funniest thing I've ever read while going back through people's posts. I laughed so hard at this LOL. Anyway, something funny that struck me from sandro's filter is this: Like, all the people sandro wants to lynch, I'm pretty sure, were scum; most likely scum that he felt he could not defend any longer. This is actually what sandro does as scum; he busses people like hell because he thinks they are super obvious scum to everyone. Macpo he could not defend because Foolish/Protact attacked him. L he could not defend because everyone saw he was playing the same way he played in Responsibility. Is it a stretch to say that he could not defend GGQ either? I don't think so. Also note how he tells myself, super, and toad to "get off my balls." This makes all 3 of us look far more town. Also note how he later rescinds his opinion about Jackal (he flips from day 1 liking Jackal to not liking Jackal to being unsure) whereas for L, GGQ, Macpo, and Ciryandor he's just like "fuck man this guy's scum he smells fucking bad kill him" The only exception is when Macpo is seriously close to dying, then he sheds some doubt on the lynch. Meapak, I think, has been correct about GGQ this entire time, but just hasn't been going about it properly. Of course, our job is easy; if GGQ is not scum, I'm almost 100% sure Meapak is, because that's the only target he's tunneled. The reason I say this is because Meapak has had several days to contribute and yet he's always been focused on tunneling GGQ. Normally I'd be uncomfortable with aligning flips like that, and certainly if GGQ is town it'd be difficult to lynch Meapak (since there are things in Meapak's filter, notably what he said about L, that make him look town) but I think we have to consider the big picture instead of letting little things prevent us from making hard decisions. wbg please tell me how you meant that red bolded statement. | ||
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On January 22 2012 23:46 jaj22 wrote: Yeah, the only question is whether it tells us anything about BM's alignment. I'm not sure that it does. who did you replace? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [15:02] <supersoft> scumteamtreffen im irc oder wat [15:02] <Toad|> ist immer so viel los [15:02] <supersoft> so also [15:02] <supersoft> gehn wirs mal an [15:02] <Toad|> nur eran ist neu für mich [15:02] <supersoft> ääh gib ma deine email [15:02] <supersoft> dann schick ich dir mal was rüber [15:02] <Toad|> erik-kalle@freenet.nde [15:02] <Toad|> @freenet.de [15:02] <supersoft> damit wir quasi simultan dran abreiten können [15:04] <supersoft> wer ist denn heute nach alles gestorben [15:04] <supersoft> ääg [15:04] <supersoft> icognito+ [15:05] <Toad|> ggq [15:05] <Toad|> protact [15:05] <Toad|> scamp [15:05] <supersoft> ggq [15:05] <supersoft> k [15:05] <Toad|> haste mir schon was geschickt? [15:06] <Toad|> bis jetzt is noch nichts da [15:06] <supersoft> so jetzt [15:06] <supersoft> habs grad ein wenig aktualisiert [15:06] <supersoft> das sind so 3 listen die ich am anfang mal angelegt habe [15:06] <supersoft> ich wollte die eigentlich immer mit denjenigen durchsprechen die ich gemasoend habe [15:06] <supersoft> unglücklicherweise [15:06] <supersoft> habe ich L und sandroba gewählt [15:07] <supersoft> die zwei waren halt nicht ganz so kooperativ [15:07] <supersoft> wie ich mir das vorgestellt hatte [15:07] <supersoft> und beide sind dann auch recht schnell gestorben [15:07] <supersoft> naja [15:07] <Toad|> hab immernoch meine probleme VE einzuschätzen [15:08] <Toad|> bei dem kerl krieg ich so die krise :p [15:08] <supersoft> ja warte [15:08] <supersoft> also mein plan ist folgender [15:08] <supersoft> jeder typ [15:08] <supersoft> der irgendwie was gutes gemacht hat [15:08] <supersoft> der wird mal rausgenommen [15:09] <Toad|> gut wie hat mafia gefunden oder gut wie er posted wie nen townie? [15:09] <supersoft> ganz genau [15:09] <supersoft> also [15:09] <supersoft> wer hat alles irgendwas geclaimed [15:10] <supersoft> VE war jack oder? [15:10] <Toad|> hiro / erandorr sind dt und denke confirmed town [15:10] <supersoft> jitsu glurio und BC sind mason [15:10] <supersoft> ja [15:10] <supersoft> hab ich blau in meiner liste [15:10] <supersoft> hast du sie inzwischen? [15:10] <Toad|> jojo [15:11] <supersoft> dann [15:11] <supersoft> ich hab grad mal alle wieder weiß gemacht [15:11] <supersoft> außer erandorr und kita [15:12] <supersoft> kita ist für mich deshalb town, [15:12] <supersoft> weil am anfang hat er ja als mayor kandidiert [15:12] <supersoft> und cyriandor hat ihn direkt fertig gemacht [15:12] <supersoft> und irgendwie geschrieben er will lieber sandroba oder palmar [15:12] <supersoft> palmar ist town [15:12] <Toad|> jo [15:13] <supersoft> und irgendwie war von vornherein nicht absehbar, dass er nicht kandidiert [15:13] <supersoft> und sandroba war mafia [15:13] <Toad|> denke auch kita ist town und habe nur mit einem post von ihm nem problem [15:13] <supersoft> welcher? [15:13] <Toad|> glaube er hat am anfang in seiner campagne gesagt "ich werde euch keine tipps geben wie man blues spielt und euch nicht sagen dass man als vig nicht d1 schießen soll" [15:13] <Toad|> sowas in der art [15:14] <supersoft> ja [15:14] <supersoft> gut [15:14] <Toad|> impliziert natürlich ziemlich hart dass er es gerade doch tut [15:14] <supersoft> das ist halt so geschwätze [15:14] <Toad|> und gerade mit dem ganzen bluesniping hier [15:14] <supersoft> das stimmt schon von den masons haben sie noch keinen abgeknallt [15:14] <supersoft> ist auch klar [15:14] <supersoft> weil ich gehe stark davon aus, [15:14] <supersoft> dass ihre masons alle geclaimed haben [15:14] <supersoft> und wenn sie jetzt die townmasons wegschiessen [15:15] <supersoft> dann bleiben nur ihre übrig [15:15] <supersoft> wäre natürlich scheisse [15:15] <Toad|> jo [15:15] <Toad|> aber krass wie viele vigs schon down sind [15:15] <supersoft> deshalb bin ich auch der ansicht, dass mindestens einer von glurio und jitsu mafia ist [15:15] <Toad|> da versteht jemand was er tut [15:16] <supersoft> 3 stück ne [15:16] <supersoft> ähm ach noch was wichtiges [15:16] <Toad|> glaube [15:16] <supersoft> hat incognito irgendwelche checks [15:16] <supersoft> so zwischen die zeilen geschrieben? [15:17] <Toad|> naja er hat nen paar reads gegeben die er nur wenig begründet hat [15:17] <supersoft> okay dann egal [15:17] <supersoft> schau dir mal jayjay an [15:17] <supersoft> was sagste? [15:17] <Toad|> jayjay ist klar town imo [15:18] <supersoft> gut [15:18] <supersoft> das sehe ich auch so [15:18] <Toad|> versucht ernsthaft zu helfen, ist wohl neu aber er ist offen mit dem was er sagt [15:18] <supersoft> p4ndemic [15:18] <supersoft> (abgesehen davon, dass er sich in mich verliebt hat) [15:18] <Toad|> p4n wird schon nen bissel komisch. würde eigentlich genau das selbe wie bei jj sagen aber er übertreibt es halt so krass [15:18] <supersoft> ja [15:19] <supersoft> nebenbei [15:19] <Toad|> würde auch town sagen [15:19] <supersoft> lass uns den log ins forum stellen [15:19] <supersoft> dann kann jayjay das ganze lesen [15:19] <supersoft> die andren verstehns nicht [15:19] <Toad|> jo [15:19] <supersoft> :D [15:19] <Toad|> kk [15:19] <supersoft> ist ganz praktisch [15:19] <supersoft> so holen wir ihn quasi in unser masonding mit rein [15:19] <Toad|> :D [15:20] <supersoft> so weiter [15:20] <supersoft> WBG [15:20] <Toad|> ja wbg ist natürlich total kacke für mich^^ [15:20] <Toad|> also da neutral zu bleiben [15:21] <supersoft> versuch mal objektiv was zu sagen [15:21] <supersoft> ich hab mir meine gedanken über ihn gemacht [15:21] <supersoft> :D [15:21] <supersoft> ich muss dich ja auch ein bisschen testen ;-) [15:22] <Toad|> also ich denke dass er extrem tunnelt, denkt er sei extrem richtig und generell nicht viel auf andere hört [15:22] <Toad|> aber das macht er soweit ich weiß als townie auhc [15:22] <supersoft> jaaa [15:22] <supersoft> also [15:22] <supersoft> was wbg macht [15:22] <Toad|> habe seinen filter gelesen und abgesehen von der tatsache dass er mich so extrem tunnelt nur weil er mir den d1 read auf palmar nicht gegeben hat hab ich nichts gefunden dass ihn als mafia wirken lässt [15:22] <supersoft> wenn er mafia ist [15:22] <supersoft> er schleimt sich bei leuten ein [15:23] <Toad|> jo also wie gesagt, er ist extrem komisch und wenn wir 8 mafias gekriegt haben und nicht mehr weiter wissen hab ich nichts dagegen ihn zu lynchen [15:23] <Toad|> aber vorher sage ich, dass er town ist [15:24] <supersoft> also [15:24] <supersoft> ich hatte eigentlich auch diesen eindruck [15:25] <supersoft> dass er eher town ist [15:25] <supersoft> was mir gar nicht gefällt [15:25] <Toad|> ach da fällt mir gerade ein [15:25] <Toad|> es gab auch bei ihm eigentlich nur einen post der mir nicht gefallen hat [15:25] <supersoft> ja [15:25] <supersoft> der eine in dem er uns drei erwähnt [15:25] <supersoft> ich schau grad [15:25] <supersoft> der ist extrem sonderbar [15:25] <Toad|> irgendwo hat er postet "sandroba hat gemeint 'toad, SS und wbg need to get off my balls'" [15:25] <Toad|> genau [15:25] <supersoft> haha schon [15:26] <supersoft> ich muss nur mal schaun [15:26] <supersoft> ob er das eher auf dich bezieht [15:26] <Toad|> wirkt so extrem gekünstelt als ob er unbedingt towncred braucht [15:26] <supersoft> und meint er selbst wäre in bezug auf dich falsch [15:26] <supersoft> ja [15:26] <supersoft> oder so [15:26] <supersoft> warte [15:26] <supersoft> es kann sein, dass ers einfach unglücklich formuliert hat [15:27] <Toad|> ja es stach halt komplett raus für mich [15:27] <Toad|> er ist 3 tage an meinem hintern und verfolgt mich wie verrückt [15:27] <Toad|> posted dann plötzlich "ach übrigens das lässt uns 3 gut ausschaun" [15:27] <Toad|> und macht weiter mit seiner tunnelei gegen mich [15:27] <supersoft> ja [15:27] <supersoft> nee [15:28] <supersoft> das ist schlecht formuliert [15:28] <supersoft> er bringt das eher so als argument [15:28] <supersoft> gegen uns [15:28] <supersoft> als [15:28] <supersoft> o [15:28] <Toad|> haste mal nen link? [15:28] <supersoft> dagegen, dass wir beide mafia sind [15:28] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=60039¤tpage=All [15:28] <supersoft> untere 10% [15:28] <supersoft> der seite [15:29] <Toad|> wieso klappt ctrl+f nicht mehr 8( [15:30] <supersoft> ich habs mal gequotet [15:30] <supersoft> und ihn gefragt [15:30] <supersoft> wie er das so meint [15:31] <supersoft> warten wirs mal ab [15:31] <supersoft> was er darauf antwortet. [15:31] <supersoft> weiter im text [15:31] <Toad|> jo [15:31] <supersoft> risk.nuke [15:31] <Toad|> also wenn er es echt "gut" meint ist das doof :p [15:31] <supersoft> was sagste [15:31] <Toad|> schwer, hatte nen d1 read [15:31] <Toad|> d1 town read [15:31] <supersoft> alles klar [15:31] <Toad|> einfach weil ich nicht glaube, dass nen mafia so ne mayor kampagne bringen würde [15:32] <supersoft> sehe ich auch so [15:32] <supersoft> ja [15:32] <supersoft> risk.nuke ist nicht der hellste [15:32] <supersoft> aber nichtsdestotrotz krass selbstbewusst [15:32] <supersoft> irgendwie flacht seine aktivität gerade ziemlich ab [15:32] <Toad|> jo [15:32] <supersoft> liegt vielleicht an der größe des spiels [15:33] <supersoft> er ist wahrscheinich etwas überfordert [15:33] <Toad|> ab d3 hab ich auch mafia reads gekriegt von im [15:33] <supersoft> und findet gerade keinen den er tunneln kann [15:33] <supersoft> jaa muss aber nicht sein [15:33] <supersoft> ich würde sagen town [15:33] <supersoft> einfach nutzlos [15:33] <Toad|> naja das problem an dem d1 read ist halt, dass wenn er echt mafia ist [15:33] <supersoft> dann wäre er gut [15:33] <supersoft> :D [15:33] <Toad|> dann kann genauso gut wer andres ihm gesagt haben was er machen soll [15:33] <supersoft> nee [15:34] <supersoft> den käse da hat er selbst fabriziert [15:34] <supersoft> weil [15:34] <Toad|> :p [15:34] <supersoft> es ist ja klar [15:34] <supersoft> den wählt ja keiner [15:34] <supersoft> ka warum sollte das scumteam den dann in den krieg schicken [15:34] <supersoft> wenn er eh nix reißt [15:34] <supersoft> im prinzip war das wohl irgendwie so ne aktion [15:34] <Toad|> eben genau um so leute wie dich und mich zu verwirren ;d [15:34] <supersoft> die keiner außer ihm selbst versteht [15:34] <supersoft> jaa [15:34] <Toad|> aber jo denke auch das macht wenig sinn [15:35] <Toad|> ist halt risiko instant 1 mafia buddy zu verlieren [15:35] <supersoft> jaa [15:35] <supersoft> der ist halt einfach so [15:35] <Toad|> und wenn es klappt hat man nen noob der wie nen townie ausschaut wohoo [15:35] <supersoft> in electionmafia [15:35] <supersoft> ist er auch total steil gegangen [15:35] <supersoft> weil er dachte ich hätte 3 meiner teammates gebusst [15:36] <supersoft> (wie auch immer man das auf deutsch sagt) [15:36] <supersoft> "ans messer geliefert" [15:36] <supersoft> nur um towncred zu bekommen [15:36] <supersoft> also der knabe [15:36] <supersoft> ist jenseits von gut und böse [15:36] <Toad|> ach da das ja auch deutsch ist muss man auch nicht aufpassen wen man hier beleidigt und wen nicht :p [15:37] <Toad|> außer natürlich jayjay: wenn du das ließt, du bist ganz toll :3 [15:37] <Toad|> aber ja, risk ist townie read für mich, nicht der sicherste aber denke doch dass ich da recht habe [15:38] <supersoft> ach [15:38] <supersoft> lese gerade [15:38] <supersoft> opz is auch mason [15:38] <Toad|> hast du irgend ne reiheinfolge in der du durch gehst? [15:38] <Toad|> jo [15:38] <supersoft> ähm nö [15:38] <supersoft> ist zufall :D [15:38] <supersoft> cshlag du den nächsten vor [15:39] <Toad|> alles lurker oder vets übrig...^^ [15:39] <supersoft> scheisse [15:39] <Toad|> mit nisani hab ich meine probleme [15:39] <supersoft> ja [15:39] <Toad|> was hälst du von ihm? [15:39] <supersoft> den kann man einfach mal weglynchen [15:39] <Toad|> also den kann ich halt überhaupt nicht einschätzen [15:39] <supersoft> keine frage [15:40] <supersoft> ach [15:41] <supersoft> du hast da irgendwo geschrieben [15:41] <supersoft> du wärst blau [15:41] <Toad|> bin VET [15:41] <Toad|> wenn du das meinst [15:41] <supersoft> "I know I'm blue as well" [15:41] <Toad|> hab ich auch im thread geclaimed [15:41] <supersoft> k [15:41] <supersoft> verstehe [15:41] <supersoft> ach [15:41] <supersoft> ich komm nicht hinterher [15:41] <supersoft> mit den ganzen claims [15:42] <supersoft> we hat denn noch irgendwas geclaimed [15:42] <Toad|> ja [15:42] <Toad|> hab mir alle aufgeschrieben bei mir [15:42] <Toad|> aber kann ctrl+f aus irgend nem grund nicht benutzen sonst würde ich einfach claim suchen 8( [15:43] <supersoft> jo macht nix [15:43] <supersoft> okay [15:43] <supersoft> ähm ja [15:44] <Toad|> jetzt wirds so langsam schwerer :D [15:44] <supersoft> wür müssen uns dann wohl ode übel durch die lurker durchqühlen [15:44] <supersoft> w [15:44] <supersoft> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=52329 [15:44] <Toad|> lanaia würde ich noch nen townread geben [15:44] <supersoft> go [15:44] <supersoft> ja [15:44] <supersoft> das mädel [15:44] <supersoft> :D [15:44] <supersoft> so lustig [15:44] <supersoft> ich hab in nem andren spiel [15:44] <Toad|> also die ist halt einfach so wishy-washy [15:44] <supersoft> JA [15:44] <supersoft> ist die aber immer! [15:44] <Toad|> mit wenig selbstvertrauen so wies ausschaut [15:44] <supersoft> :D [15:45] <supersoft> jajaja [15:45] <supersoft> süß [15:45] <Toad|> aber genau das hat sie auch als town gemacht im XLVIII [15:45] <supersoft> ich wüsste gerne mal wie sie aussieht [15:45] <supersoft> bestimmt nix [15:45] <supersoft> :-/ [15:45] <supersoft> aber okay [15:45] <supersoft> picks or lynch [15:45] <supersoft> oder sowas [15:45] <supersoft> wäre doch mal gut [15:45] <supersoft> jaj22 [15:45] <Toad|> ? [15:45] <supersoft> go for it [15:46] <Toad|> was ist picks or lynch [15:46] <supersoft> äh [15:46] <supersoft> ohne k [15:46] <supersoft> lol [15:46] <Toad|> soll ich sagen ob ich ihn lynchen will? [15:46] <supersoft> nein mann [15:46] <supersoft> :D [15:46] <supersoft> ich meinte [15:46] <supersoft> Bilder posten oder lynch [15:46] <supersoft> in bezug auf lanaia [15:46] <Toad|> aso [15:46] <Toad|> 8( [15:46] <supersoft> dude [15:47] <Toad|> ja dachte du bist schon bei jaj22 [15:47] <supersoft> nee [15:47] <supersoft> aber bei dem bin ich jetzt [15:47] <supersoft> schau mal her [15:47] <supersoft> was er über sandroba sagt [15:47] <supersoft> yeah [15:48] <Toad|> wann hat er eingewechselt? [15:48] <Toad|> d2? [15:48] <supersoft> ach [15:48] <supersoft> für wen ist der eingewechselt? [15:48] <supersoft> so ein scheiss [15:48] <supersoft> :D [15:48] <supersoft> ich dachte schon [15:48] <supersoft> lolol steigt er einfach mal mit so nem sandroba macpop defense post ein [15:49] <Toad|> hab grad kein peil für wen er eingestiegen ist [15:49] <Toad|> warte müsste den post gespeichert haben irgendwo [15:50] <Toad|> oder auch nicht [15:50] <supersoft> ja egal [15:50] <supersoft> jedenfalls [15:50] <supersoft> defendet er 2 mafialeute [15:51] <supersoft> und schreibt bei GGQ eine treffende einschätzung [15:51] <supersoft> ohne jegliche analyse [15:51] <Toad|> jo [15:51] <Toad|> das hat dich und wbg aber auch schon dazu gebracht zu denken ich sei mafia :p [15:52] <Toad|> also ich bin bis jetzt davon ausgegangen, dass jaj22 townie sei [15:52] <supersoft> sieht aber nicht so aus [15:52] <supersoft> wenn man seinen filter liest [15:52] <supersoft> :D [15:52] <Toad|> also auch als er meinte "@Toad: You know this isn't a majority lynch, right? I don't see any town reason to vote for someone you think is town this early." [15:52] <Toad|> glaubst du nen mafia würde sowas sagen? [15:53] <Toad|> die wollen ihre votes doch irgendwo unterbringen und er erinnert mich daran, dass es nicht extended majority ist? [15:54] <supersoft> äh [15:54] <supersoft> ja ka [15:54] <supersoft> warum nicht [15:55] <supersoft> ist ja nur so allgemeines blabla [15:55] <supersoft> das geht immer gut [15:55] <Toad|> auch wahr [15:55] <supersoft> als ob sich irgendeiner an solche sachen halten würde [15:55] <supersoft> das ist immer so [15:55] <supersoft> wenn irgendeiner einen plan macht [15:55] <supersoft> dann wird der niemals umgesetzt [15:55] <Toad|> naja er stellt halt viele fragen [15:56] <Toad|> hat keine angst davor jemanden anzugreifen [15:56] <supersoft> warte wo [15:56] <Toad|> naja er sagt zumindest paar mal dass ich schwachsinn poste [15:57] <supersoft> ja [15:57] <Toad|> also vonwegen modhunting [15:57] <supersoft> naja [15:57] <supersoft> dann warts ab [15:57] <supersoft> hier wirds ihm auch irgendwann alles zu heiß [15:57] <supersoft> und er schwenkt um und schlägt auf sandro ein [15:57] <supersoft> das wars dann aber auch mit der aktivität [15:57] <supersoft> :D [15:57] <supersoft> ja [15:58] <supersoft> was hälst du von orange [15:58] <supersoft> also so vorstufe von mafia? [15:58] <Toad|> " [15:58] <Toad|> What? Toad was trying to protect his scumbuddy GGQ and get his scumbuddies Sandroba and Macpo lynched instead? I don't buy the Palmar lynch influence knowledge point because it's quite plausible that Toad just jumped to a conclusion. I don't think it's even an illogical conclusion from the "compromise" post." [15:58] <Toad|> nach protacts case gegen mich [15:58] <Toad|> weil protact meinte ich sei mafia, sandroba sei mafia, ggq sei mafia und macpo sei mafia [15:58] <Toad|> was halt überhaupt keinen sinn gemacht hat [15:58] <supersoft> geht [15:58] <supersoft> lol [15:59] <Toad|> aber gut orange ist in ordnung [15:59] <Toad|> gott jetzt muss ich aber wissen für wen er replaced hat 8( [16:00] <supersoft> ja [16:00] <supersoft> schon [16:00] <supersoft> ich bin auch verwirrt [16:00] <supersoft> zeks? [16:01] <Toad|> lol [16:01] <Toad|> beide gleichzeitig gefragt [16:01] <supersoft> das war dumm :D [16:01] <supersoft> wobei geht [16:01] <Toad|> jetzt weiß jeder dass du mich gemasont hast [16:01] <supersoft> wir posten ja eh den log [16:01] <Toad|> naja wer dein log gelesen hat hat das auch mitgekriegt [16:01] <Toad|> naja wer dein log gelesen hat hat das auch mitgekriegt [16:02] <supersoft> möglich ^_^ [16:02] <supersoft> ich poste den log mal für jayjay in den thread. Vielleicht ist er ja da und kann schon was ergänzend beitragen | ||
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On January 23 2012 01:04 jaj22 wrote: Google translate is fine, really. They're talking about whether I should be an orange read for flopping on Macpo and Sandroba at the end. To which I'd reply: 1. Macpo had something like 16 votes on him and was basically dead when I defended him. That would be some seriously dumb scum play. I eventually voted for him because he quit playing, like I said in the thread. I suspect scum had a lot more warning about that than I did. 2. I read a lot of Sandroba's games during day 3 to check his meta and came to the conclusion that he was at least plausible scum. Then he posted one drunken line in three days so I guessed he'd quit playing too. I'm happier with those votes that my KingJames one, because I have a bad habit of reading people as scum just because they're abusive. I'd have voted GGQ otherwise in the situation though, and I'm pissed off at him for not trying even after Protact switched his read. I'll check the macpo 16 vote thing later... you're orange that means don't lynch right now. | ||
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+ after that pandemic will stop to annoy me :-) | ||
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On January 23 2012 01:47 Jayjay54 wrote: hey, thanks for including me <3 unfortunately, I got an application to finish today, it's a lot of work. I'll be rewarded with an internship at MAN hopefully real life stuff is more important So I just scanned through your log real quick and will provide my opinions to it late tonight or tomorrow... but the quick scan revealed that you didn't talk about BC/BM at all. Why is that? Be back in some hours... Go TOWN! because the log continues ;-) | ||
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On January 23 2012 09:31 wherebugsgo wrote: basically, sandro flipped scum, right? So far all the people he has called out have actually flipped scum. The exception is GGQ, and that's pretty much because everyone was calling out GGQ (he also expressed doubt about GGQ but didn't about anyone else). Now, it makes the 3 of us look more town, but I don't think it means much more than that. I took it with a heavy grain of salt, since sandro called out GGQ and he was town, Toad could very well still be scum and he could have just been saying stuff in thread just for the hell of it. Also I read your logs with Toad and I lol'd at the part you guys talked about me LOL. Toad ist ein Pimmelzwerg! Also, what do you think of Toad at this point? What did you get from that conversation? ein pimmelzwerg ist er nicht ja ;-) well i do think that he has decent reads. he definetely puts a lot of work into that game. sometimes his reads differ from mine. overall i think he's rather town than scum. but we still need to talk about certain players. i have a rough picture of what i expect to hear from a townie there. as for todays lynch i still think glurio is a save bet. On January 21 2012 05:16 supersoft wrote: okay I have one easy case for you. I want you to think about the following scenario: You join a game as mason and you're town. You replaced someone and the shit is completely out of control because the thread has like 100 pages. You're replacement, because you actually want to play. What do you do day1: a) Hide b) Mason somebody and talk about what's going on. If you're scum, what do you do day1? a) Hide and talk to your scumbuddys what to do b) mason a townie? c) pretend having masoned a teammate and being in danger to get forced to prove that with some logs. ___________________________________ glurio looks really bad. (I'd like to paint him in like pink because I am only 70% sure that he's scum.) i want to add he joined on page 53/54. like 30 hours in the game. and he didn't mason anyone. the problem is his reasoning fot not masoning. if he's a newb, i would have understood a reason like I am afraid of masoning scum. the reason i was rereading the thread is invalid. it's an excusation. | ||
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i hate these general rules that don't fit to the individual case! go cwawe, tell me how his lying hurted the town? | ||
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Am I wrong there? Why do you even ask BM about them? | ||
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BM, i want all your pm traffic. censor the bg names please. | ||
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On January 23 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote: jitsu asked? BM, i want all your pm traffic. censor the bg names please. is it true that scum can decide who gets which role? someone already asked right? | ||
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meet up in irc? now? | ||
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actually i am really not over this. I think if you flip red, BC and BM are confirmed town for me. | ||
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On January 24 2012 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Beeteedubz...in this setup, it feels like our information roles have been replaced by Masons. This is another reason I'm so certain about Hiro - because there's likely to be only ONE DT if any. this is the paranoia talking. | ||
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On January 24 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: Negative on that. No matter what the fuck murray will flip. we need to kill people. I haven't read a filter for a while and I will likely not do so untill murray hangs because I'm lazy. But I can promise you I can find atleast two good candidates as far in on a game as day 5. That should be easy. There is no point in saving the double-lynch. We need information and the faster we get it the better. lol risk. You're fucking useless this game. + you even dont find scum when you're active. Overestimation!!!!! | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:01 Bill Murray wrote: Und: Benehmt euch! ?????? =? are we allowed to speak in other languages? German? Really? we already had this discussion in another game. of course it is, because there is nothing in the rules. i could also invent any other "secret" language to communicate with my former masonbuddys. in this case all he says is something like "behave guys!" | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:11 risk.nuke wrote: lol, supersoft you're actually going to ignoring that. supersoft looks superred wrong again. you called me scum the very last game, too you contributed nothing and i found every remaining scumteammember. worst player ever. | ||
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i was a little paranoid and saw a possibility that you faked the logs to bus sandro. the masonclaimplan fits to this story, because only this plan allows you to claim and publish the logs without drawimg too much sudpicion. | ||
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hiro must reveal who's town. GM will most likely flip town. go. | ||
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wp played! sadly the game ended, just when I was starting to own :-P I had nisani, opz and bum on my scumlist. Munk-E and Schworz were yet to analyze. BM was failtown for me... + being mason is bad for my filter :-/ | ||
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