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On August 23 2011 00:56 Palmar wrote: Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know.
....why are you blue fishing the Medic? Foolishness is in no danger of being lynched at the moment, there are a million scummier people in this Town.
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On August 23 2011 01:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 00:59 Curu wrote:On August 23 2011 00:56 Palmar wrote: Foolishness made some correct observations on day 1. In addition he claimed a shot in a way I don't think Scumishness would've done. However, the medic who saved him should absolutely claim at some point, I've not concluded how and when is the best point to claim. I think claiming before this night would be stupid. Perhaps just as this night ends in case he gets shot? I don't know.
....why are you blue fishing the Medic? Foolishness is in no danger of being lynched at the moment, there are a million scummier people in this Town. Are you being intentionally thick?
I see no reason to disbelieve Foolisness's claim, especially with the RBer add-on. If no one gets RBed the rest of the game, he comes under suspicion and Foolishness makes sense as a N1 hit.
I see no reason for the Medic to out himself to "confirm" a guy who shouldn't need to be confirmed at this point anyways.
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I can agree with that. Medic claiming now or at the end of this night is absurdly stupid when Foolishness it not in danger of being lynched.
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On August 23 2011 01:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 01:09 Curu wrote: I can agree with that. Medic claiming now or at the end of this night is absurdly stupid when Foolishness it not in danger of being lynched. So what do you think about lynching Mig?
As I said, one of Mig or Chaoser is probably scum because I don't think either is bad enough to park their vote on an OMGUS and not discuss anything else. I'm not ready to lynch him just based on lack of day 1 posting, he was completely invisible in WaW2 and AA (though to be fair AA was a PM game) on the first day of both games. I still need to read through but Personality has me kind of pissed off so I can't muster up the energy atm.
My scumtell for Mig has always been if he doesn't catch a scum by day 2, he's probably scum.
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Hm, Mig has been suspiciously uninterested in this game. I excused his D1 invisibleness because that's pretty much standard day 1 for him, but by now he should have become much more active with good insights.
Two days and only a single meta argument/accusation from Mig.
##Vote Mig
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Foolishness is scum because he's not trolling.
afk
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Seriously where are you Mig? Yeah I can understand that you're pissed at Personality, I'm pretty put off too, but if you're Town help us win this game.
If you're scum, feel free to continue.
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On August 23 2011 07:08 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 06:58 Curu wrote: Seriously where are you Mig? Yeah I can understand that you're pissed at Personality, I'm pretty put off too, but if you're Town help us win this game.
If you're scum, feel free to continue. You were in DrH's experimental game with Mig. Does anything about his behavior this game resemble that game?
I don't even remember tbh, I was trolling that entire game and trying to get Coagulation lynched.
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Oh there's Mig, re-read time.
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He must save the cheerleader to save the world.
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I'll be down to lynch chaoser for his general uselessness and jumping all over the OMGUS vote onto Mig (leaning more towards the scum being him now).
Vain is someone we should look at, I have no idea why Palmar thinks xtffc is Town.
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Ok, this post needs some serious love:
On August 23 2011 10:28 Mig wrote:I know some people are going to cry omgus omgus vote here but I wanted to go back and look through all the posts of the people jumping on my bandwagon first. And dropbear looks extremely scummy to me. Here are the points against him 1) His play at the start of the game. Dropbear starts the game off with fluff posts concerning no lynches and his mayor thing. While palmar is attacking him and generating actual discussion that can be used to find scum, db is deflecting the discussion onto unrelated subjects. And as soon as soon as palmar calls him out on this db tries to turn it around and tries to actually take credit for getting discussion started. When really he has done 0 scum hunting and all his posts are bland ways to look like you are contributing. 2) Contradictions. Look at some of these quotes by db. Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 07:32 DropBear wrote: I WOULD LIKE TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST
- Voting sevryn just because. No reasoning given.
Show nested quote +On August 21 2011 07:49 DropBear wrote:
- I think the case against Mig is at this point non-existent
Ok so he wants to lynch hiro for not giving reasons for his sevryn vote, he also thinks there is no case against me. Then this is his post where he votes me on day2. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 04:25 DropBear wrote:Ok so I'm ok with hiro now, he tried to lead the lynch off sevryn who flipped town so he gets brownies, at least temporarily. On August 23 2011 04:15 supersoft wrote: i just saw, mig already stacked 3 votes on him. Like I said earlier, I don't trust him etc. but for me it's too early to lynch him. Do show me where! If you don't trust him, why not lynch now? ##Vote Mig Gives absolutely no reasons for voting me even though he had said earlier there was no case against me huh? What changed your mind dropbear? He also states he is fine with hiro now for trying to deflect the sevryn lynch when I had done the exact same thing. 3) Activity. Don't look at the amount of posts DB has overall but look at when he is active. He was extremely active right at the start of day 1 posting where he has a bunch of fluff and tried to claim town cred for it. However what about after that? He pretty much disappears then shows up right before the end of day 1 makes 2 short posts attacking hiro and chaoser and disappears. So he introduced 2 new candidates right at the end of the day BUT didn't stick around to actually push for their lynches. He knew sevryn was going to flip green and didn't want to get any backlash from it so instead he posted a couple short cases against people not in danger of being lynched and then vanished to let the town argue amongst themselves. And what about day2? We are 24 hours in and db has one post. This is classic mafia activity. Active right at the start of the game where he is trying to buy town cred for himself but once we get deeper in and real analysis starts he is completely MIA. So seriously look at DB's posts and ask yourself what his motivations are. Has he put any effort into scum hunting? Does he care if town makes the correct decisions? No. He comes in posts a ton at the start to buy credit but afterwards he basically sits out of the sevryn lynch, doesn't push for the people he actually thinks are scummy to be lynched at all and then on day2 he votes for me because it is a chance to jump on a bandwagon to get a strong town player lynched even though he had said earlier there was no case against me. #Vote Dropbear
This is the best case posted yet IMO.
I really don't like this post by Jackal:
On August 23 2011 09:24 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 09:19 Mig wrote:
Jackal - gives no reason whatsoever for voting me
Sure I did. It was a coin flip between you and Vain. It was your late vote on Sevryn to hammer home a lynch when it was almost shifted to Rayzor. Explain please.
Coinflip sure, but why Mig? If Town he is undoubtedly the stronger player than Vain. Mig had actually tried to start something about chaoser earlier, whereas Vain jumped in with an absolutely nonsensical post that was complete flip-floppery over Sevyrn/Rayzor yet conveniently landed his vote on Sevyrn and disappeared. He has also shown no interest or contributing or scumhunting, only in defending himself. Vain for sure looked worse than Mig and Mig is for sure the more dangerous player against Mafia. Yet you chose to put your votes on Mig when there was a wagon building up on him from Foolishness/chaoser rather than pursuing Vain. Can you explain this more?
xtffc's "two town kills" slip definitely needs to be looked at, and I don't buy his defense. He describes town kills as kills that the Town makes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with modkills. Town does not control modkills, sick slip?????
chaoser is a mostly meta argument but he has been so useless this game. His vote is an OMGUS onto Mig and he's done no real scumhunting or Town contributions of his own.
Vain: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=53652
0 contributions on day 1, a quickvote on Sevyrn when people were talking about scum likely avoiding the thread. He's become a bit more active now that people suspect him, but with still no relevant contributions. Plunks his top suspect as nard, where it can lie uselessly.
DropBear wasn't even on my radar (I thought it was just something Palmar was doing to draw reactions) but Mig's post is excellent. I don't think a chaoser lynch will happen today, but I think any of Vain, xtfftc, or DB are great lynches for today. The Mig/xtfftc wagons ran concurrently, so one may be a case of scum trying to push a diversion wagon.
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Yes. Your post is excellent and needs love, but I still feel more strongly about xtfftc, especially given the timing of the two wagons. Your post did prod me to consider DB in a new light, and I encourage everyone to read the case and do the same, but I'm still leaning harder scum on xtfftc.
Hey chaoser, got any RELEVANT things to say? You know, about the people in this game. You still think your vote should lie on Mig?
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Also is there really that much spam in this game? There's a lot of people asking other people questions, I hardly think that qualifies as spam. The thread is huge, sure, but a lot of it is relevant to the game.
##Vote Foolishness for Mayor
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You got shot N1 in Personality and you weren't doing anything except trolling all day. I really don't like a case built on "I got shot so xxx is Mafia" as this assumes Mafia plays to their absolute dumbest and most predictable.
The case against Mig is mostly meta, and he's stepping out of his invisible play. chaoser's accusations read like one big OMGUS, voting Mig on meta reasons too after being accused for meta reasons, you don't think there's some lazy vote parking and contradiction there either?
If there's a scum in that pairing I would lean heavily towards chaoser.
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On August 23 2011 12:27 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 12:19 Curu wrote: You got shot N1 in Personality and you weren't doing anything except trolling all day. I really don't like a case built on "I got shot so xxx is Mafia" as this assumes Mafia plays to their absolute dumbest and most predictable.
The case against Mig is mostly meta, and he's stepping out of his invisible play. chaoser's accusations read like one big OMGUS, voting Mig on meta reasons too after being accused for meta reasons, you don't think there's some lazy vote parking and contradiction there either?
If there's a scum in that pairing I would lean heavily towards chaoser. I don't know what OMGUS means. If you care about the town then type out what you want to say, don't hide behind acronyms. Mostly meta? I accused him of bad posting yesterday. Chaoser found a contradiction today. No meta there. I look at his past games to verify my accusations. So far it's not in his favor. If his attitude this game was like when he was town (XLIII for example) then I would rethink my analysis and would not be pushing him this hard. In response to "you don't think there's some lazy vote parking and contradiction there either?" no I don't. If there is point one out to me. Chaoser found a contradiction in Mig's post. That's pretty good in itself. I bring forth these arguments about "meta" because they serve as further evidence that I'm on the right track. Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 12:19 Curu wrote: You got shot N1 in Personality and you weren't doing anything except trolling all day. I really don't like a case built on "I got shot so xxx is Mafia" as this assumes Mafia plays to their absolute dumbest and most predictable. You clearly did not read the last paragraph of my previous post. I'm not building a case on this. I'm not building a case on this. I'm not building a case on this. My case is built upon his contradiction and bad day 1 posting. Everything else I've said only builds on top of that. Look at the big picture. The individual pieces are what make the big picture, and that's where you find the mafia. Examining one individual piece does not find you mafia. For those that are wondering, I think xtfftc is town at the moment. I'm not thoroughly convinced, but the evidence against Mig just fits too well together.
Means Oh My God U Suck - basically that you vote for someone because they voted for you.
As for meta, Kurumi's game was the only one where I've seen Mig actually matter Day 1. The other games I've played with him as Town - WaW2, AA, and somewhat Personality, Mig had been pretty much useless. Meta arguments can be spun either way for or against Mig. That it continued well into Day 2 prompted me to think he might be scum but he has come back and started contributing. Yeah it looks terrible that it was after he was called out for it, but that's not strong enough for me to put him above the other candidates. He has terrible posts, so do a plethora of other people. I'm not saying discard Mig completely because he's shown up, but he's not as high up the priority list for me.
I did read the last paragraph of your post but I disagree with using it at all. BrownBear, Mig, chaoser, Jackal, chaos, and whoever else you named get scumpoints because you got shot? My first game I ever played with you I found out that the fact you weren't a N1 shot was an indication that you were likely Mafia, it's not unreasonable to expect people to figure these things out. Speculating on night hits is just silly.
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Can you explain why xtfftc is the scum wagon and not Mig? From what I've seen people are actually posting reasons for their xtfftc votes while Mig, whose wagon has been building faster, has a bunch of people who deposit their votes and go afk (Varpulis, DropBear, Barundar who admits he voted without even reading the thread).
Also is it just me or is this indicative of an extremely anti Town mindset?
This is interesting. Can't say it wasn't welcome at the time considering how much Palmar was tunnelling me, but I go back to it and it feels rather strange.
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not a very town-centric viewpoint unless the guy with the most posts is really obvious scum (which Palmar isn't).
From BrownBear. He welcomed/encouraged a vote on Palmar (who he doesn't think is scum) that he later slams for being a bad scummy vote.
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Directed at Palmar, Barundar.
Mig you know what regard I hold for you as a player, unless there is damning evidence or you openly declare your inactivity I'm going to be hesitant to lynch you. I voted for you because you were still contributing nothing well past your normally useless period, that reason disappeared so my vote moved. Easy enough to understand.
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I don't see where you're coming from with no "real" analysis though. Maybe you don't agree with it but I think I've made my thoughts pretty clear.
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