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1. BrownBear 2. BrownBear 3. Chaos13 4. DropBear 5. RayzorFlash 6. Mig 7. Any lurker you fancy. | ||
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It's pretty obvious to anyone that has actually read the thread I'm town. Welcome btw. | ||
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god you're terrible. | ||
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What happened here on day 1, is that someone presented something I consider a weak case and bad arguments against a player I was 99.8% sure was town (hence my chances post!). I then presented a case against someone I'm pretty damn sure is mafia, yet I did not successfully push my case. Now to me this means I failed terribly at doing my job on day 1, and I'm just ridiculously mad at myself for letting mafia run the thread like that. Not being able to push the lynch away from someone I knew would flip townie, is the ultimate failure in my mind. If BrownBear actually flips scum, I'll be even madder at myself, if he flips town, I'll feel a bit better, I just don't think he will. Basically, I let someone with bad reasoning outargue me, which means something is wrong and I need to take a step back for a while. I don't mind being wrong or right, I do mind being unable to do my job. Thing is, what I want to do now is rehash my entire strategy and approach, because clearly this is bad. But if I do that I'll just be lurking through the game. If GM finds a replacement, it's unfair to you guys that I'm being useless. | ||
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On August 22 2011 02:57 Jackal58 wrote: Quit whining and get back on your horse. Derp, you're right. Sorry about flipping out a bit, I'm stupidly competetive and I take myself failing very seriously. Giving up is worse than failing. Let's do this. | ||
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On August 22 2011 03:39 chaos13 wrote: I point out your scumminess and suddenly I'm scum, and apparently should be vigi hit. Viscera points out your scumminess and he's town. HMMMMMMM what is the reason you refuse to act your normal, critical self? surely you understand that this is not based on something as simple as you want to make it look like. i dont give a shit what people do, its how they do it that matters. are you intentionally not putting any thought into this game, or have you simply not put in the time to read it yet? | ||
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I just re-read the entire thing since I cast my vote on sevryn last night, I'm really glad so many townies realized that the lynch was a bad one. I also re-read Rayzor's posts, and I don't think he is scum. The lynch is 2am my time and 4am CET, so if switches are to happen they need to be initiated sooner. | ||
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On August 22 2011 18:08 Kurumi wrote: start being useful same goes to me, brb re-reading the thread. I think I've made my opinions pretty damn clear, but I've made some fundamental mistakes this game that stop town from considering my opinions as valid. I think I have laid down the most detailed analysis of someone in the thread that isn't completely based on meta, and I stand by my conclusions in that one. I'm fine with lynching Mig actually, there are multiple mafia in this game, and unlike sevryn I'd actually give him a 50% chance of flipping red. I'm much more convinced BB is scum though. I don't know Chaoser's meta so the argument made against him may therefore look weaker to me than it should. Hopefully others who know him will correctly push his lynch if they're right. Just to rehash, this remains my opinion: On August 20 2011 22:20 Palmar wrote: BrownBear So, I decided to try a new tactic this game. Most towns spend day one arguing casually about policies and then lynch a scummy lurker. This is sometimes effective, sometimes kind of weird. This game I decided to just tear up the thread with some super-awesome tunneling on the first scummy fucker I found, and read responses by other people. There are two people who stick out to me as scummy from their reactions to my tunneling. Namely Sevryn and BrownBear. I feel more confident BrownBear is the scum of the two. There are quite a few things in BrownBear's logic that really scare me. First off, let's take a look at the post that initially raised my suspicions of him: I immediately called him out on the scum logic in his posts. I pointed out that one wouldn't have to make a big stretch to understand the bolded sentence as a free pass to anyone who was being active in the thread. Which conveniently enough also clears BB of any suspicion. He also mentions the possibility of two townies just shouting at each other. The reason this jumps so much out to me is that I used exactly the same logic as scum on day 1 in SNMMII as scum. I pointed out that two loudmouths were probably just townies shouting at each other and then I suggested that the real threat are the inactive people. Deflecting lynches onto inactives is mafia's favorite way of playing day 1. BrownBear's defense of this, is that I'm twisting his words. But can anyone honestly says he understands the bolded sentence in any other way than BrownBear wants to kill off inactive people over people who are active, because the active people will reveal themselves as scum at some point. Next post, after demanding contribution from me: The first sentence is interesting. He makes a point that he did not say what I called him out for, yet he implied it? What's the difference? The mindset he's working in is the same. I ask that everyone reads the post above carefully, and preferably often. Look at what he's saying. He's basically throwing a one-line accusation towards JeeJee in an attempt to divert the discussion off himself and DropBear. The bolded sentence is another one of interest. I don't actually understand how he's going to scumhunt if he actively states that "mafia is amongst the semi-actives". Well sherlock, if you tell us that you're going for semi-active people, won't the mafia just stop being semi-active? And note that he himself is definitely not amongst the semi-actives, so he cannot be mafia, by his theory. This case against JeeJee is basically just a throw-away case, BB knows well enough that JeeJee is not going to get lynched based on this case, and he's happy to look like he's not supporting a town lynch while throwing an off-vote on some random "semi-active". Interesting that he calls out for other people to back up their accusations, yet your entire case against JeeJee is: Re-read his posts. Look at them from the point of view he is scum, understand what motivations he might have for posting like this if he's town. I think we have a great lynch candidate here town. BrownBear is scum ##Vote BrownBear | ||
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On August 22 2011 18:23 Mig wrote: You know palmar you could actually put the effort in to look at chaoser's past games, I even linked 39 earlier. Instead of just relying on other people to form your opinion for you. I can only push one lynch target today. | ||
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Also, I don't take orders from scum chaos13. | ||
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I still think we should just lynch BB today. | ||
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But if we assume he's telling the truth, I very much doubt he'd have the balls as mafia to post the way he's done, so I'd like to remove him from the discussion as of now. | ||
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First thing's first. Do you have any major suspicions. If it's up to you and you only, whom would you lynch today? | ||
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