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On August 28 2011 11:27 chaos13 wrote: chaoser if you had played more pro-town I would be more likely to believe you. For today I'll go with nard over Vain.
How did I not play pro-town...I fucking was the first person on mig...come again? I tried to set up a good town atmosphere early game and had it not been for palmer we would have had it.
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I care not who gets lynched today, I trust foolishness' call as much as I trust my own. I would just rather have the person I caught be lynched first cause I caught him.
Not to mention what do you want me to do? I checked mig night one cause I was suspicious of him and I've been on his ass for the last two day. I HAD to check foolishness (GM didn't allow me to check myself) since I didn't know my own sanity and since I was 90% sure he was townie because DropBear claimed he saved him.
What about you? You were so dead set on a Vain lynch before:
My #1 pick for a lynch tomorrow would be Vain though. That guy is scum.
and now you're backing off.
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wtf...why the hell did you reveal now and not later in the day?
What's the difference between revealing now and later in the day? Later in the day everyone already has settled into a topic, I'd rather get it out of the way and have everyone talk about it rather than psot it midway through the cycle and break up conversation
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Besides, why claim at all? The less information mafia have about our roles, the better. Since we probably don't have a medic now, you're probably dead tomorrow. You're the most useful player to us if you're indeed a DT.
I'm dead tomorrow regardless, if the mafia kill foolishness they'll be willing to kill me. Though since foolishness is a watcher...maybe there's another watcher out there so mafia should be weary.
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On August 28 2011 12:21 xtfftc wrote: I'm inclined to trust Chaoser. I don't understand why it was necessary to claim immediately as quite a few people are willing to lynch Vain anyway. Convincing us to go for him was definitely a possibility even without the claim.
However, if Vain flips green, Chaoser will get lynched afterwards, so it makes no sense for mafia to attempt this. Unless it's some really bold plan by mafia to trade one for one but the numbers don't work out in their favour.
Chaoser, I'm curious why you decided to check Vain out of all?
Since it's mid game now, I wanted to check the lurkers since they would be the hardest to read once we get to late game. I was choosing between pyo and vain and picked vain due to his bullshit vote on mig:
On August 27 2011 09:56 Vain wrote: Fuuuuuuuuuuu, i almost forgot this thing. yeah, Mig needs to be lynched and then BB
i hope i'm right now:\
Vote: Mig
He's worried about the result but he states that he "forgot this thing". His "I hope I'm right" is merely a throw away statement to make it seem like he cares when he clearly doesn't "I forgot". So I checked him and got back guilty. I'm 100% I'm sane so it should be correct.
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If nard visited a person who died, he's almost certainly mafia. This is, of course, has to be what Foolish was saying, because he was a watcher and he was 100% sure nard is mafia.
There is also a possibility that nard isn't mafia and is just nosy neighbor or possibly blue.
If the person foolishness was looking at was killed by the godfather and nard also visited then foolishness would only see nard.
This is why I said I trust foolishness' call as much as I trust my own.
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I AM ALIVE! The basement is flooded and the tree next to my room fell onto my building but didn't break in BUT I AM ALIVE! Now it's just windy and shit.
@chaos13 There's no such thing as "100%". Foolishness either didn't account for the godfather or didn't account for random visits when he said 100%. I should know, I've thrown out possibilities due to them being so unlikely and they've come back to bite me in the ass.
(See: http://i.imgur.com/5ROUu.png) BC never lets me live this down...
Just something to chew on in the future
If he had claimed blue, I would have been more hesitant but with a green claim,
Vote: #nard
bye bye. Tomorrow we lynch Vain and then hopefully we'll be down to lots'o town v 3 measly mafia
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Everyone seems to have ignored this, but Kurumi basically dug his grave here. This flavour text wasn't written by GM. I have no idea why he wouldn't wait for GM to just write it for him, perhaps he was getting a little nervous, because he was taking too long. But that was written by Kurumi. He is the only person who writes "You" with a capital letter mid sentence. He hasn't responded to me yet either so....
LOLOLOL...if this is true HAHAHAHAHAHA
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On August 29 2011 04:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 04:05 Lucidity wrote:On August 29 2011 03:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Bumatlarge is SCREAMING framer to me. Kill him tomorrow. Vain is likely to be innocent.
Today we kill nard.
After bum we consider pyo and Rayzor.
#5 I'm still working on...lol. Some analysis to come soon when I'm back on my computer. Hello there. Care to explain why? Because I believe BB/bumatlarge to be framer, and vain to be framed last night. Look at Bum's posts over the past day. Or heck, just filter him all the way. He accuses vain as soon as he knows a DT checked him last night without even thinking twice, and continues to subtly push vain's name. Yeah, I know that goes against our thoughts and my own analysis on vain, but bum is definitely mafia. Kill him tomorrow. This is also why I am way more confident in lynching nard than vain. With vain, the likelihood of there being a red herring is much higher. The only possibility for nard to be innocent is to be a noisy neighbor, and that's only possible in a very unlikely manner. Plus, his defense post suggests that he is scum.
Or it could all be a ploy, they're all mafia, and they're just trying to save the skin of one instead of having all three fall. I got a guilty on Vain, just as I got a guilty on Mig. I'm wont to lynch those that return red, especially those that I had previously suspected. The fact that you're backing off uneases me.
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On August 30 2011 00:02 wherebugsgo wrote: No, actually, if we want to be productive we can't kill vain, especially not tomorrow. We kill nard today, and Bum tomorrow. That will give us sufficient information to find the remaining 3 mafia and lynch them.
Also, I did consider that vain could be a regular goon but that doesn't add up to me. Even if vain is actually just a goon we still should kill bum before vain.
Of the remaining mafia, I agree that Pyo is a top suspect, but also Viscera. My analysis of viscera will come after I get out of class today-it's not complicated.
#6 is still a bit far away. So, we can worry about the last 1/2 mafia after we lynch nard and bum.
Right now you're completely being irrational. We have no idea what the mafia's motives are and we have no real way of figuring it out. You're approaching the entire situation already assuming bumatlarge is mafia and then trying to fit everything around it. You went so far as to throw away your own (very valid I might add) opinions on vain. You're looking at everything with bum-tinted-glasses and this is exactly what foolishness DIDN'T want to do.
As Mig pointed out, I was hesitant today to respond to Mig's posts because I feel like I cannot objectively read them. Anything I read of Mig's I just see the mafia in him. But other people (particularly Curu and wherebugsgo) have been able to analyze his arguments today without the subjectivity that I have, and they still want to kill Mig. That's all the proof I need that Mig is the correct lynch choice today.
You need to step back and re-approach the situation. What are you takes on supersoft, xtfftc, and Pyo?
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So you basically said you don't want to give reads cause if you were scum, it's bad for you, and it you're town we don't get any info from it? Yeah ok lol. The fact that you even mentioned that if you WERE scum it'd be bad for you is telling enough for me. I'm pretty sure my check was correct. Lynch him tomorrow.
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@wherebugsgo
Who are your mafia reads?
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I have a similar list but I think vain is a better candidate for mafia than kurumi. I am unwilling to let someone who I checked to be red to not be lynched, especially since all his posts/actions so far have been extremely suspicious. I still believe that you are trying to fit everything into a scenario that you believe to be correct instead of looking at the whole thing objectively. The whole thing is a giant exercise in "Wine in front of me". What if the mafia knew people who take it that way and acted accordingly to get one of their suspected off the grid? I doubt bum would be dumb enough to immediately push for vain's lynch today right at the start of the day over nard's. He's a vet player for a reason. In my opinion this is just a giant mind screw/ploy to leave vain alive and have only two mafia lynched over three and to undermine my check. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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On August 30 2011 11:34 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 11:23 chaoser wrote: I have a similar list but I think vain is a better candidate for mafia than kurumi. You don't find his claim post weird? I didn't really think anything of kurumi until his claim. However, if you look at all his posts/actions, the only thing of significance is that he vigged Palmar. There is no way to discern whether he is a scum vig or a town vig. The only hint toward one or the other is the claim post, and as has been pointed out already, only kurumi capitalizes "you" in the middle of sentences. Me too, I just have a different conclusion. I still say we lynch bum today. We're going to lynch him eventually. We KNOW he's mafia. I want to know for certain his role as mafia, though, because IMO that'll give us more information than anything else. Just think about it. You think vain and bum are mafia. Will lynching vain give us any information about other mafia? Most definitely no. Will bum's lynch? Yeah, almost definitely, because we know pyo was the only other one who voted vain.
The reason I want to lynch vain is because I think he's possibly the roleblocker, that's why. If brownbear was still in the game I'd have probably read it the way you did but since it's bumatlarge I'm more in line of thinking that it's all a giant double layered ploy, which I've seen him pull before.
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On August 30 2011 11:47 wherebugsgo wrote: And about Kurumi?
So you think the four mafia are like:
bum/vain/pyo ...?? viscera? Rayzor?
I guess the last one isn't immediately important, but even so...I'll vote bum tomorrow, you vote vain, we can just all vote whoever we think is the better lynch. Assuming they're both alive, of course...if we miraculously have a vig that'd be great.
What do you think of Kurumi's claim?
I'm most sure about vain/pyo/bum. I'm not sure about the last one. As for Kurumi, like you said, the only really weird thing standing out for him is his claim. And I think if he was really a mafia vigi he wouldn't telegraph it so far. He would have done it, waited to morning and then let mig claim he was the vigi. Mig was under pressure at that point and got lynched that day. If Kurumi was a vigi, he would have had mig breadcrumb it early the previous day (I think mig was pushing for palmer lynch) and then the next day mig could claim to throw suspicion off himself.
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On August 30 2011 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2011 11:51 Varpulis wrote:damn i write slowly. On August 30 2011 11:37 wherebugsgo wrote: And of course, lynching vain, even if he is mafia, gives us no information because he's said nothing. There are no links between vain and anyone really. I've got an idea! let's lynch mafia because they're mafia, not because of the information that we'll get. If we're working on the assumption that both vain and bum are mafia, then I say bum is the better choice because lynching bum gives us information. How hard is that to comprehend? Forget my thoughts for a second here and just reason that out.
Lynching vain gives us info too though. Maybe I'm just not seeing it but how does lynching bum give us more info than lynching vain?
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LOLOL, nice one pyo...mafia must be desperate to think up a shitty fake claim like that one...GG mafia?
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If I'm dead, i agree that either vain or bum would be a good lynch though I'd like vain lynched over bum just the same (cause i checked him red and that's more a "sure sign" for me). And then we lynch pyo. Don't know who the last one is but with the lead we're going to get, we should have a little bit of breathing room to figure it all out.
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Let's hope only 1 of us died, it's not like they can change the kills anymore but I hope they double stacked me, gives us one more day.
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Fuck...I checked Kurumi and got back innocent
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