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On September 24 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote: I only host one game at the time -__- Plus hosting is fun! I love hosting. Its like playing, but with a role list, slightly less work, and no chance of getting lynched. :-P Everyone vote to lynch GMarsh in pony today | ||
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##roleblock Palmar | ||
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I don't like PMs, can I just post in the thread? (I'm sure I'll use PMs to some extent but I'd rather just post here) There's no restrictions on using PMs, right? Like I don't have to reply if I don't want to. | ||
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I should've done this in pony BUT | ||
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YOU CAN'T MODKILL ME | ||
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##vote Forumite | ||
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On September 28 2011 10:22 Sevryn wrote: I'm a townie and I'm okay I sleep all night and scumhunt all day He's a townie and He's okay He sleeps all night and scumhunts all day I hunt the scum, I point them out, I get killed at night During night phases I go running hope they dont kill meee He hunts the scum, He points them out, he gets killed at night During night phases he goes running hoping they dont kill him, He's a townie and He's okay He sleeps all night and scumhunts all day [rap] Yo, Sevryn, you ain't no townie Bitch please, you ain't foolin me To you I ain't got no obligation To me you ain't got no reputation So Sevryn,, why you tryin'? Sevryn,, that shit ain't flyin'. Listen close, this is how it's done We ain't in this game to have fun. Look up, read close, them fools're actin like dopes. Pay attention, and I'll show you the ropes. Find that guy, he ain't put up no fight. Yeah man, he's the one. Vote on... Forumite. suck it bitchez THIS IS WHEREBUGSGO [/rap] | ||
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On September 28 2011 10:46 Sevryn wrote: yo yo yo you call me scum bro but cant you realize that i aint on yo team your scum logic wants me to go but in the end its your anus ill ream you call me scum but your votes the lie you think im scum but you want forumite to die why call me scum for the majority of your post when its forumite you want to roast [rap] bitch, look here, listen, yo face sure does glisten. you think you know laaahjeeeek, but you nutin but a faaaag geeek. you can't handle da pressah? go get a train to Odessa. we all know scums is dumb but you ona those dumbs is dumb. mebbe you see the error of yo ways or mebbe you just get dumber with the days last up, I definitely ain't yo bro but Forumite is, dat dirty ho. [/rap] | ||
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On September 28 2011 11:22 sinani206 wrote: /confirm. Apparently I'm starting mute, so I won't be able to talk in PMs, IRC, skype, gtalk, etc. Also I won't be around for day/night posts except on weekends, and even then it will be hard. Getting that out of the way, random voting is a viable way to start, but not if everyone votes for the same person. I think that we should all calm down and unvote now and allow discussion to proceed. wtf is dis pussy ass shit you almost as bad as dat Sevryn and Forumite | ||
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hurry up and vote some nigga | ||
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On September 28 2011 11:44 Erandorr wrote: /unvote ##vote wbg Lets stop this shit shall we? Erandor open your eyes bro I mean scum | ||
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On September 28 2011 12:03 Erandorr wrote: Well.. you saying you are scumhunting right now? man more than you is | ||
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BAM WHAT NOW SON | ||
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we need some opinions up in hur if you be lurkin you be hatin | ||
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Trying to discredit Mig when he thinks watcher can't catch scum LOL I'm fine with either a Forumite or tnkted lynch today. | ||
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Also since the engineer role has been clarified I think Forumite is more likely to be dumb town than tnkted. ##unvote Forumite ##vote tnkted On my phone btwn classes so apologies for the shor posts | ||
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So yeah they're both still good lynches | ||
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On September 29 2011 05:06 tnkted wrote: 2 Mafiakills + 1 sniper + 1 pyro (.5 kp) = 3.5kp. Oh, so nevermind, I miscounted. 3.5kp still isn't enough for the medic to be worth it though, IMO. I'm willing to be debated over this though. Something that WBG clearly isn't willing to do. Saying something is 'blatantly' when you're the only person who sees it isn't blatant at all, its just rhetoric. That's all this post is, rhetoric. If you have to explain WHY something is obvious, maybe it isn't obvious at all? Also, WBG has thought I was scum d1 virtually every single game I've played with him, so zzzz I "thought" you were scum in the only game I've ever played with you, when I was scum. How the fuck does that have any relevance to anything? Also, you're right in that I don't really have to explain it. It's obvious to anyone who reads your posts and understands what you're trying to do. | ||
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On September 29 2011 05:10 prplhz wrote: so PM land is baller and all but you know, there are mute people around, townies too. and those guys can't really talk in PMs or talk about what's happening in (most) PMs and it's cool and all that you're hanging out in PM land but people need to post here too. 14 pages after one day, this is hands down the slowest mafia game ever. i think it was batman mafia where we were at 60 pages after one day or something like that, and WaW2 too but that was different. PM land is cool but post here too i don't like tnkted's plan but it's the only thing there is to talk about. dunno if towns should keep accepting shitty plans in the beginning of the game just for the sake of something to talk about. Mig's logic is sound but that's pretty boring. also, Palmar actually is scum this time The thing I don't like about prpl is that he has contradicted himself already. He votes Chezinu on a really dumb reason (believing he hasn't read his role) and says the thread needs discussion and posts but hasn't actually provided any posts himself. He says that tnkted's plan is worth discussing just because it's a plan but doesn't say anything about it either. prpl why u so scummy | ||
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On September 29 2011 05:26 tnkted wrote: Weren't we in personality mafia together? Or am I thinking forumite? And could you please condescend to explain why and what I'm doing thats so scummy? I have no idea what I'm apparently doing. If I'm the only one, educate me. I don't think you can, since I'm not doing anything. People who keep saying my plan is stupid, and then also bitching about how nobody is talking about anything should be explaining why my plan is stupid. The only game we've ever played in together was MLP. I was not in personality. Also I replaced for Sev in Cosmic but you were lynched before I joined. Finally you're scummy because you're vig fishing. Mafia find the mute players and the chance of them shooting a player who can only contribute in the thread (and therefore is probably contributing a lot to everyone rather than being manipulable through PMs) and is very likely to be the blu sniper. Your plan is not just bad, it's completely mafia favored. I literally can't see a plus to it for the town. | ||
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For sure they'll hit townies, they know their own teammates obviously. By targeting mutes they're almost guaranteed to shoot the vig | ||
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I have not done anything to warrant such an accusation. If you don't agree that tnkted is scummy for his plan, fine. Just think about it, though. If mafia establish who the mute players are (let's say they find like 4 mutes) then they shoot into that list and they have 1/4+1/3 chance of hitting the sniper if there is only one sniper, or more than 50% (7/12 chance). If there are two snipers or fewer mutes the chance of them hitting the sniper is even bigger. | ||
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Let's say a townie medic looks for mutes so he has a good chance of protting the vig. Mafia can easily fake mute and then draw the medic prot. | ||
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On September 29 2011 05:43 Mig wrote: WBG if tnkted is mafia do you think he would announce this plan in the thread or would he just pm a bunch of people on his own? What motivation does mafia have to post the plan in thread. Both. In fact, if I was scum I'd do something very similar what tnkted has done so far. You can establish yourself as a town contributor by posting a plan in the thread, for example. The PMs and mute mechanic favor mafia IMO. If I was mafia I'd love to PM people to influence their reads and create chaos behind the scenes. I'd also fish for mutes and shoot them all since they're likely to be more active in the thread, more likely to be a vig, and because they are not manipulable through PMs because they can't PM. If mafia shoots all the mutes the vig will most certainly be dead by day 3. | ||
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Like, for example, these posts: On September 29 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote: Bugs is scum. He's not playing like an idiot. Is Jackal dumb town for thinking I'm scum (and not even knowing my meta despite Jackal playing in every single game I've ever appeared in?) or is he scum because he accuses me of being scum without voting me and making his opinion real? On September 29 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote: hi guys im townie sorry for immediate inactivity, i was busier than normal in the past 2 days. I also dont know what the fuck we are doing voting people for no good reason. Is Kenpachi dumb/useless town because he highlighted townie in blue, said he was townie, and is inactive, or is he scum because he's always inactive and this time he actually decided to give an excuse for it? Is anyone else seeing this shit or am I just super picky? Anyway, I'm going to ignore them unless something changes before tomorrow. So, let's move on to some people I think we can actually consider seriously at this moment in time: On tnkted: On September 29 2011 05:58 Mig wrote: Ok but honestly who cares? So mafia shoots sinani/etc in the hopes of killing the vigs? Good for them. They are shooting people who can't mason and aren't hitting out other power roles. People who can't pm and vigs are a lot less important than active townies and meds/dts. And you realize that if tnkted posts this plan to list the mutes in thread and suddenly mafia starts sniping them it makes him look terrible right? Mafia are much more likely to pm everyone on their own than they are to post about it in the thread and risk the backlash. And maybe you would want to pm people to try and manipulate them but in general the ability to pm strongly favors townies. Your case against tnkted is incredibly weak you are stretching with almost all your statements to try and make him appear scummy. You and I have a different view of the PM/mute mechanic. You think the mason mechanic is useful for town. I think it's useful to an extent but I don't trust it. Smart scum will use the mason mechanic to manipulate town and get what they want by selectively distributing misinformation. They can also convince townies that they are town and even contradict themselves in the thread while telling people in PMs other things; dumb townies are even predisposed to believing them. I also think that, because the muted players are much more likely to be townies, these guys will be posting in the thread more because that's all they can do. Thus, I imagine that these players will attempt to contribute more in the thread rather than actively lurk in the thread while spamming others with PMs (since they don't have that ability to begin with) Thus, aiming for muted players, IMO, is actually OPTIMAL for scum. Of course, if a muted player turns out to be a shitty town contributor in the thread then of course scum will probably not find a good reason to shoot them, but I think muted players will be predisposed to contributing more in the thread since that's all they can do. Also, you don't know that they're not hitting the other power roles. What happens if a power role (other than the sniper) is also mute? Finally my case on tnkted is not weak IMO, but if you think it's so weak you need to put up an alternate person with some reasoning instead of just attacking my methodology. On September 29 2011 06:20 tnkted wrote: I think the sniper roles in this game are pretty stupid anyway. The minute one sniper posts #kill whoever the other sniper is just gonna kill the first sniper and claim that hes the REAL sniper, that other guy is an imposter (this is assuming that there is 1 sniper on each team which doesn't seem that unreasonable to me). More shitty logic. as prpl already pointed out we'll find out whether the sniper who countershot is full of shit or not when the flip happens. It doesn't make sense from either side to do something like this because you can't assume that town only has one blu sniper! If we have two blu snipers and the scum team has none then what? If we have two blu and the scum team has one then what? Your logic isn't making sense, dude. On September 29 2011 07:27 tnkted wrote: Yes but the red sniper only gets one kill anyway. So he might as well get the town vig, who has TWO shots. Otherwise, if he lets the town vig live, he's basically claiming mafia if he shoots later in the game. Again, this makes no sense. One for one trade is only beneficial from the town side, and ONLY if we can correctly assume that there aren't two town snipers. If the town sided sniper shoots and then the red sniper shoots the townie the countershooter will be lynched the following day no matter what. That's not favorable for mafia. The red sniper will probably only shoot a scummy target or will shoot if he knows he's about to die due to lynch or aimed shot, countershooting will likely never happen. (and if it does we need to lynch whoever the fuck does it and ends up getting a townie shot) On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 And here we have Palmar. I'll be watching you carefully Palmar. Just so you know. | ||
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On September 29 2011 08:47 risk.nuke wrote: prphlz we shouldn't role over, but if we need to lynch someone day 1 we need to make an as educated guess as we can. Random lynching does not favor town since random lynchs mean percentage wise we're always more likely to hit town then scum. In addition scum will always have scum friends to manipulate the outcome so chances of hitting scum like that is even less then the original 1/4. How long left untill night starts? stop pretending to contribute. If you think random lynches are bad then identify which of the current lynch targets are random and put one up of your own that clearly isn't random because you have reasoning for it. | ||
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On September 29 2011 08:57 Palmar wrote: Jackal always lurks days 1-2, but there is actually a difference in the content of the things he writes. Whatever little he posts as town is usually at least semi-informative, but Jackal's preferred method of playing scum is to completely deny information. Feigning mute fits 100% with what I'd expect jackal to do as scum. And if you read through his posts there is almost no content in them. This is jackal accusing WBG in LOTR on day one: This is jackal accusing WBG in this game day one: Can you spot the difference? He does at least give reasoning in LOTR, even if most of the post is speculation about mechanics. But at least he posted quite a bit in the first day of that game. My vote staying on Jackal, I suggest the rest of you do the same. You're right, this is how he posted as scum in resurrection too. When I switched from Ace to Jackal in my tunnel he completely shut down, too. | ||
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On September 29 2011 09:33 Jackal58 wrote: In Aces Some Mafia Game he makes intentional "scum slips" as town for reasons only he knows. He didn't bother to share his reasoning after the game he just basically said "tuff shit". In LOTR he attempted to play up a 3rd party persona for reasons I still don't get. His play in MLP is pretty much like it is now. Fucking normal. I noticed the difference in that game and even made a joke about him being scum since he wasn't playing scummy town. I didn't know I was right when I made the joke. He's playing the same game here. He's scum. So is Palmar I suspect. Go read Bugs play in Aces game and LOTR and compare to MLP. Won't take much to see the diff. The townie village idiot play comes out immediately. The "Let's find scum and analyze" scum Bugs comes out immediately too. Bugs is scum. Actually I did explain the reason I "acted scummy" in both games. It was to make everyone act the same toward me, and to trap those who focused on certain specific things. In LoTR by trolling I identified those who had shitty reasons for voting me (Dr. H, Drazerk) In Ace's game not everyone agreed with my methodology either, which is fine, but I actually trapped both chaos13 and Palmar with what I did. I wrongly thought chaos13 was just dumb town for reacting the way he did so I ignored him, but Palmar I grasped onto. If you notice, before I died I switched off tunneling you, Jackal, into saying I'd rather have Palmar lynched the next day. Lo and behold he ended up being scum in the end. In fact, normally when I stop tunneling someone very abruptly it's because I have a huge gut feeling on another person who is more likely to be scum. This happened in resurrection with Ace/Jackal where I just realized there was no way Ace was scum and Jackal had to be the one, it happened in SMG with Curu/Jackal/Palmar where I just dropped Curu and Jackal and decided Palmar was it, it happened in LoTR when I dropped Drazerk and Trancestorm dead cold and pursued Dr. H, and now I think Jackal is scum too so I'll have to set aside tnkted for later. Lastly you're dead wrong about MLP too because I did "act scummy" there as well. Remember day 2 and the piece bs? Remember my slip with respect to the timing of receiving my piece? ##unvote tnkted ##vote Jackal58 | ||
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In XLIV I abruptly stopped tunneling Palmar/super after the hiro lynch and focused on vain/bum. Tracked bum and then abruptly forgot about vain (and took shit tons of heat for it) because I tracked bum to vain. Died that night and flipped tracker and town lynched bum the next day. | ||
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On August 13 2011 08:25 GMarshal wrote: Player List + Show Spoiler [ contains game relevant spoilers] +
2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. Erandorr Cult Initiate (Mafia Goon), Survives in the endgame 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. chaoser Cult Initiate (Mafia Goon), Survives in the endgame 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. 21. Curu cult initiate (Mafia Roleblocker), Survives in the endgame 22. 23. 24. 25. 26. 27. 28. 29. 30. You were alive for a whole two days in XLIV. | ||
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You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? | ||
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On September 29 2011 10:06 Jackal58 wrote: If you check the voting thread you'll see I haven't voted for anybody yet. My vote on Palmar in this thread was the same as everybody else. Spam. I've got 1 scum in my sights. Let's lynch you and the move on to number 2. vote me then. Put your vote where your mouth is and provide some real reasoning too. Why should we keep you alive when you're making up excuses for "not remembering" a game in which you were alive for over 4 real-time days? Why should we keep you alive when your meta conforms to how you've played scum in other games? Why should we keep you alive when you adamantly refuse to contribute? | ||
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On September 29 2011 10:17 Jackal58 wrote: You don't like my contribution? It seems to have hit a giant scummy nerve. All you're doing is one giant OMGUS. You're scum bro. What contribution? You haven't even fucking voted yet | ||
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On September 29 2011 10:23 jcarlsoniv wrote: WBG and Jackal, I feel like this is just a huge argument that is distracting. It feels like a lot of yelling and OMGUS. This seems to resemble the yelling between Ace and WBG in Resurrection. They both turned out to be town... Take a little bit of time to consider what Jackal has said. 1. He's misconstrued my meta 2. As Palmar has said, he's conformed to his own meta of how he plays scum 3. He's claimed to have "forgotten" participation in a game that happened less than a month ago, in which he was alive till night 2 as a townie 4. He's claimed to have "contributed" when in reality he hasn't even voted yet. You tell me which of these things is pro-town. | ||
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On September 29 2011 10:50 Erandorr wrote: First you say that you will ignore Jackal for now and push tnkted , and after being accused you roll in with this conviction jackal is scum? You scum again? 1) this is kind of similar to the way you played MLP, from the point when I was replaced in and wasnt that the first time you where scum? 2) The only real argument, that is not even coming from you 3) lying about that would be unbelievably stupid and I cannot believe he would do that. 4)what is that even supposed to mean? Why so defensive my friend? Yes, I did say I was going to ignore him. Then I changed my mind. No reason to ignore him when he's being more scummy than tnkted is. 1. What? How is it similar? 2. Who cares if it's coming from me or not? Argue the point on its validity, not its source (unless, of course, the source is scum) 3. This is Jackal we're talking about. You weren't there in Resurrection for the way I caught him on a lie there, so I wouldn't expect you to know this. 4. It means what it says. He is saying he has contributed something. He hasn't. He hasn't voted yet and a vote is the biggest contribution a townie can make. | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:04 Jackal58 wrote: I'll vote when I vote. Wtf does voting have to do with anything I've brought up? You're stretching man. If your vote doesn't follow your thoughts then IMO you're scum. Guess how I found ON to be scum in resurrection? + Show Spoiler + his vote didn't match his reasoning Lack of a vote while FoSing someone, or a vote not conforming with your thoughts, IMO, is one of the best ways to find scum. You have done the former. You claim that I am your #1 scum but you don't even vote me. Guess what genius, that's scum play. | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:10 Jackal58 wrote: Guess what genius, no it's not. Sorry NotChezinu I have not seen your cat. soooo lemme get this straight. -you're gonna vote when you "feel like it" + Show Spoiler + sounds like you're scared -you think you've actually contributed something -you have me as #1 scum but I'm not yet worthy of a vote + Show Spoiler + wtf? -I'm gonna guess that you'll vote me as soon as some derp townies think I'm a good vote cause they believe that I'm OMGUSing | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:17 Nisani201 wrote: I have yet to see anything scummy in Jackal's play. On the other hand, we have WBG OMGUSing, while mirroring his play from MLP mafia. You guys make this too easy. I know where I'm placing my vote. ##Vote: wherebugsgo oh look here's derp townie #1 Nisani to the rescue guess we need a couple more townies to vote me and then Jackal will jump on my bandwagon, eh? | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:31 Jackal58 wrote: Scared? Of what? This is a game dude. My contribution is the same as your earlier FoS and vote on tnkted. Except your reasoning made little sense in regards to him being scum "because he was going to PM everybody". I make a point about your play and you go nuts. And yes you are OMGUSing me. Big time. But I haven't contributed. Because my FoS is on you. Would my contribution count in your eyes if I had FoSed somebody else? Hard to start up your own bandwagon isn't it? And as far as voting goes I'm going to refrain from doing so for a while because that fact apparently pisses you off. If you actually provided a reason for FoSing me when asked that'd be a contribution. I told everyone in the thread why I suspect tnkted (and still do actually) Also, anyone who thinks my vote on you is an OMGUS should seriously consider rereading the thread. Look at when I vote you. I vote you once I realize that Palmar's argument that you're following your scum meta is dead on, and that you haven't contributed anything. When I voted you, you still didn't contribute anything. Finally, my vote can't possibly be OMGUS when you didn't vote me to begin with. You're not pressuring me, you're not asking me questions, you're not doing anything, actually. OMGUS="oh my god you suck (for voting for me)" and I don't see how my vote can be OMGUS when you never voted me! | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:40 Jackal58 wrote: I provided one. You just don't like it. For somebody claiming to be a townie you're sure throwing quite a fit. A scummy fit. Really? Me making sense doesn't really sound like a valid reason for me to be mafia. That actually sounds like a valid reason for me to be town! | ||
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Moving on to some people I think deserve attention, probably since they don't want it: Curu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=62066 Curu has disappeared since earlier and his vote is useless. He hasn't contributed anything yet to the discussion yet, despite being around for LoTR and there being plenty to talk about. This doesn't sit well with me knowing how he played scum in both XLIV and MLP, and as town in Ace's SMG. In SMG he was pretty open about thinking I was scum and he was very bold and productive as town. In both XLIV and MLP he was semi active with a lot of one liners and fluff posts, not really contributing but feigning so. I'll give him some time to come back and clarify things (perhaps he's busy? who knows) but I think it's odd he's gone here but he's around to post the day post in LoTR. Sevryn: On September 29 2011 11:16 Sevryn wrote: okay so NotChezinu pretty much troll all day er'day and to be honest if he doesnt know what his role is thats not the kind of person I would like to have around the town so i say we get rid of this problem now and lynch him. Sure posting in lyrics and poems is cool as a joke and sure it can be fun, but its not very pro town and makes it hard to get a read on someone. infact joking and trolling is a great way to be active without contributing at all. sooooooooooooo ##vote NotChezinu The problem with Sevryn is that IMO he appears scummy despite alignment. However, this post is completely in line with how he posted in MLP as scum before he went inactive and was replaced. We need to keep an eye on him as well. I dunno where Incog is but I imagine as a vet he needs to get in and stop lurking. risk.nuke and supersoft haven't done anything either, granted supersoft rarely does anything and I have no idea who risk.nuke is. None of these players warrant a vote yet but IMO all of them need to be prodded into providing their opinions and becoming active. If this town dies because of inactivity I'll be pissed. | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:51 Kenpachi wrote: are you part of mafia? such weak arguments are scum tell in defense of Jackal. If Jackal mafia, you mafia. comprendo? you need to put your vote in the voting thread if it's a serious vote, otherwise you're on my watchlist too | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:05 Sevryn wrote: In my opinion if there isnt a clear scum day one we should focus on scummy lurkers. NC is just that hes trolling the thread making chaos and not really contributing. Assuming worst case scenario we will be in a LyLo at somepoint and when that happens I would prefer it to be with people who I can read. NC is not scummy and he's not a lurker either | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:09 Sevryn wrote: Im saying hes effectively a lurker because the reason lurkers are bad is because you cant read them. I cant read him one way or the other because all of his posts are trolling/songs/poems you could say that about half the players in this game, bar the singing perhaps. You can't read any of the players I wrote about in the post you quoted (which, btw, includes you) | ||
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sup Erandor, mind doing something productive? | ||
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too bad that tells us nothing about you, Curu. You gotta do what I asked of Erandor too. | ||
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Seeing as we haven't really seen any reasons from you yet. Unless, of course, you count past coincidence as a reason | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:18 Erandorr wrote: Allright : Bugs first says "Jackal isnt worth my attention " then Jackal votes bug Bugs then says " OMG FUCK YOU SCUM" Bugs then tunnels and is ultra defensive Bugs gets called out on that Bugs then says "naaah that dude isnt worth my attention imma concentrate on a newbie and a lurker" = either bad town play or bad scum play = rofl I am going to bed , good night everyone fail Jackal never voted me | ||
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you don't even know what OMGUS is. It's really quite funny | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:24 Erandorr wrote: oh and for now ##Vote bugs so you can OMGUS me and do have to rage about all those newbs misusing that apparantly very strictly defined term <3 townie #2 how many more before Jackal votes me? taking bets now | ||
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On September 29 2011 12:28 Incognito wrote: Dear town, please ignore wherebugsgo. If he starts making sense and stops making a bunch of baseless assumptions maybe I'll start listening to him. Until then, he's just taking up space and has 1/6 of all the posts in this thread. None of them are very interesting. Also stop using gimmicky words like "OMGUS" and "meta". They're mostly meaningless terms people tack onto their "analyses" to make them look legitimate. I am not going to tolerate this nonsense. Unless you make some real arguments I will just ignore you or squish you like a bug, depending on how ridiculous you are. I'm so scared bro | ||
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Curu looks townish to me. If we lynch palmar and he flips town then we need to reconsider Curu, but based on his behavior I can't say he looks scummy. Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. | ||
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On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote: I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn. What game other than XLIV have you seen my play? | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:24 Sevryn wrote: Im voting chezinu because I dont want to get into a situation where We cant read someone we need to be able to get a read on because he hasnt opened his role PM to be honest thats kind of going against the rules to play to win how can someone play to win if they dont know their own win condition. It is most def not town. now you might ask why i dont lynch someone else and you yourself said the main lynches are not very good so why not use day one to help make it so if we get LyLo we have a fighting chance Actually tbh you're way more scummy than Chez is. You don't comment on any of the main lynch targets at all. | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:28 Erandorr wrote: Hmm I need to look closer at Sev then , but you have seen his town play , right? I would say we can give him a couple of more days instead of going for the really easy kill on someone who is known for being scummy as hell when town. This I agree with, but the only problem is that Sevryn just refuses to look at any of the main lynch targets (myself, Jackal, Curu, Palmar) all of his posts are dismissive whenever someone asks him about them. We have like 4 hours left? Right? This also raises the issue of, why are we splitting the vote so late in the day? This is why I disagree with DB's vote on Sevryn. You're not gonna get him lynched if he's mafia, there's too little time to switch a lynch now. Note Jackal has disappeared since our little spat. He hasn't posted once. He might be active in PM land and only those who have been in contact with him would know, but it's fairly clear that he's going to make his vote and opinions clear at a time of day that is so late that none of us can question it and discuss it. Likewise, I'm uncomfortable with Incognito disappearing but being active in PMs, also without a vote or public discussion. Multiple players can come in before the deadline and just vote with fake or minimal justification and just ruin hours of day 1 build up in one fell swoop. This is why I think it's imperative that suspicions be backed up with votes. Townies shouldn't be afraid of putting their vote on someone. It's a validification of your suspicions and if you have a good case you should welcome the attention that it brings so you can clarify yourself. Mafia don't like clarifying themselves for obvious reasons so they're more likely to vote with minimal justification or vote late in the day so they can slip in without too much suspicion. | ||
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If Curu or anyone else is allowed to use that discrepancy to call someone scum how are we supposed to consider his vote? I realize Kita said we're not allowed to discuss that but then now multiple players seem to agree it condemns palmar. :/ | ||
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If it is a slip then he's obv scum but if it wasn't then we just wasted 48 hours more or less | ||
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If Curu is gonna get modkilled can we get some clarification up in here? | ||
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In XLIV we debated whether Kurumi was scum thanks to that troll sandroba capitalizing all the yous in his role post. This kind of thing detracts from the point of the game IMO | ||
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No one seems to be willing to consider anyone else other than Palmar. If Palmar/Curu are getting modkilled we need to lynch someone else, like Jackal, but again no one is considering others ATM! I don't understand what I should be doing to "focus on the game" when there are no alternate lynches thanks to this bandwagon combined with stupid situation | ||
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Is this how it works? Lol. This is fucking retarded. @Mig: I think Palmar's claim is fishy. He claimed earlier that the first two lines of his PM started with "BLU" but the sample roles in the OP only do that for RED pyro, not BLU pyro (where RED pyro starts with 2 REDs) However since this is another thing discussing role PMs let me just conveniently wipe this from my mind and just focus on the game at hand. If I have to ignore all of that then I'm not willing to vote palmar because the bandwagon on him has built up too fast and no one can say anything except that he incorrectly used meta. If I'm missing something about why Palmar is mafia please nlighten me, otherwise I think Jackal is a better lynch cause I see more reasons for him to be scum. | ||
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On September 30 2011 04:30 Forumite wrote: I don´t care what they did or did not say about what their PMs said, I couldn´t care less, my reason to vote on Palmar was because of so many saying his analysis was based on false information and cherry-picking metagame. While him claiming BLU Pyro makes this a bit more confusing, if we can accept that whichever scumslip he posted was a mistake. Is it clear which scumslip he blames the case on him on? Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. | ||
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I haven't voted Palmar for two simple reasons, reasons I've stated multiple times already. I'll repeat them for you now just in case it hasn't been clear. 1. I think Jackal is the better lynch, since there are more things that Jackal has done to be scummy than Palmar. 2. The bandwagon on Palmar has built up way too quickly and literally no one is defending him. He's getting bussed day 1, then? I'm also reluctant to push him because there's only one reason anyone is citing for voting Palmar, and that is, he used meta incorrectly. I don't really agree that he's used meta incorrectly. Since I disagree with the sole non-game-mechanic related reason to lynch palmar I don't really care to vote him right now. Finally, I'm sorry you can't recognise sarcasm. I don't particularly care to get you lynched unless Palmar flips town. If palmar flips town then you are mafia to me because you push easy town lynches, particularly day 1, as mafia. If Palmar flips mafia then I consider Forumite to be as well. | ||
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Okay, so obviously one of the reasons is because I don't think Jackal plays like this day 1 as town. 2. He doesn't back up his suspicions with a vote. He says he's doing this to piss me off (lol) but in reality it just means he doesn't receive any attention because he's not contributing. Contribution involves discussion, and voting. Jackal is doing neither one of those. 3. He misconstrues OMGUS and claims I OMGUSed him. I clearly pointed out that you can't OMGUS someone who never voted for you, and he never actually even tries to refute this. Jackal isn't stupid like some of the other townies so I'd like to think he actually knows what OMGUS is. 4. He provides no input on anyone other than me. Clear lack of interest in contributing his opinion. This is not how he played in XLIV, SMG, MLP, or LoTR, all of which he was town and he contributed opinions, no matter how minimal, when asked. It follows his meta in resurrection where he just popped in now and then and said something irrelevant/dumb but was scared of Ace cause he looked third party. 5. He claimed to forget participation in a game in which he was alive for two days. 6. He has been inactive since people started voting me and Palmar. He has not said anything in this thread during the most active and important part of the day. with lynch two hours away his opinion/vote will come soon and none of us will be able to do anything about it till tomorrow. 7. I have asked if he has been in PM contact wit others, to establish whether Jackal is actually trying to contribute behind the scenes, but no one has come forth and said they have been in contact with him. This doesn't really help with his image of being relatively useless. | ||
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I'm seriously shocked no one in this town fucking knows what OMGUS is. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:15 Curu wrote: If I called you scum and pushed you hard with valid reasons but left my vote off you and you pushed back that I was scum, that is more OMGUS than me voting Palmar with a random vote at the start of the game and having him push me for it. I'm seriously shocked you actually think this is something scummy. Guess what, Jackal never had a valid reason to "FoS" me. If he had a valid reason, you know what he would've done? He would've VOTED me. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:16 Erandorr wrote: I am seriousy shocked that you care so much about that instead of posting something of value. Erandor don't be a hypocrite | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:18 Mig wrote: WBG the point is arguing about omgus doesn't matter. Some of your reasons for voting jackal are kind of ok but most are terrible and completely reaching. Do Jackal's posts seem that scummy to you? Most of his posts seem very reasonable to me. And honestly Palmar really hasn't tried that hard to survive. Palmar is a townie at heart if he were really a dt I would expect him to be fighting non stop against this lynch and prevent the town from making a massive mistake. Yes, Jackal's posts seem scummy to me. If they didn't I wouldn't be voting him. As for Palmar I've already said that I find things weird about him. His claim doesn't seem genuine to me and the mod business paints him as scum. I'm willing to consider him scum for those reasons but I'm willing to consider him town because he's receiving votes rather fast. I also disagree with him using meta incorrectly (I agree with his statement that Jackal's behaviour doesn't conform with his meta) He has 6 votes and is clearly in the lead. Lastly I've also discussed what I think we should after Palmar flips (with so little time I assume no one else can be lynched) If Palmar flips town then Curu needs to be lynched. If Palmar flips mafia then I think we should lynch Forumite and look at incog. In either case Jackal will remain scummy. From what I know Palmar busses a teammate and establishes townies as scum day 1 (he did it in SMG) to throw in a mix and stay unclear if he's lynched. That means we should consider all the players he's mentioned, and also any players who seemed reluctant to vote Palmar but ended up doing so by sheeping him under pressure anyway. | ||
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On September 30 2011 05:20 Curu wrote: Yours/Palmar's reasons for pushing him in the first place are just as valid as his for pushing you. Why is him not voting for you such a big deal to you? What? How is Jackal's reason for pushing me relevant? Jackal pushed me because I was "making sense". That's a town tell, not a mafia tell, and it's possibly the worst reason I've ever seen anyone come up with for suspecting someone. Jackal has never been correct about alignment. Never. It doesn't look like he's going to be correct any time soon. | ||
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I already explained why we should lynch you if Palmar flips town. Your scum meta is pushing easy town lynches day 1 (if Palmar is town then it fits, he's definitely an easy lynch) for relatively weak reasons. IMO the reason for lynching Palmar is weak so if he flips town you're seeking mislynches. | ||
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I feel like all I'm doing is repeating myself to you, and I'm starting to lose my patience. Weak lynch: weak reasons, people voting the target without backing up their votes, the target getting bandwagoned by multiple people. There are only two people who have provided reasons for voting Palmar. You, and Mig. Everyone else has sheeped you two. Do you agree with this assessment? Lastly, you keep saying my reasons for voting Jackal are bullshit but you never say why. Why is Jackal a townie to you? What do you see that I don't? If I'm so stupid, please enlighten me about your friendly town Jackal. Also, please enlighten me on the definition of OMGUS. Afaik it's a reactionary vote based on no reasons other than being voted on in the first place. From my perspective my vote on Jackal isn't OMGUS cause he didn't vote me and I actually have legitimate reasons to vote him as opposed to just voting because he suspected/voted me. | ||
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This lynch is hilarious. | ||
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YOU ARE SCUM IF PALMAR FLIPS TOWN Jesus fucking Christ I said nothing about you being scum other than that | ||
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Quote me where I say you're scum because people agree with you. Quote me where I say you're scum in any situation other than Palmar flipping town. If Palmar flips scum then you are clean and we should consider who sheeped Palmar for no reason or weak reasons. Basically, players like Forumite and risk.nuke. If palmar flips town we should probably still consider them but you become a good target cause you push easy mislynches on day 1 as mafia. | ||
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On September 30 2011 06:05 Curu wrote: Your definition of easy lynch was because people follow along with poor reasoning. And then I am scum because I push easy lynches. Ergo you're saying I'm scum because people agree with me. Derp. You're scum when you push an easy lynch of a TOWNIE Again: an easy lynch of a TOWNIE We don't know what Palmar is so I'm not accusing you of anything yet. Get your head out of your ass and use your fucking brain. | ||
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In MLP when we played as scum together Curu admitted that he was fond of leading the lynch on scummy townies on day 1 and then subsequently slipping under the radar. In XLIV he led the Sevryn lynch and in MLP he led the sinani lynch, both of which were relatively uncontested mislynches. In this game once again we see a relatively uncontested lynch effort led by Curu. I say that if Palmar flips town Curu is very likely to be mafia because I don't believe that there are good reasons to lynch Palmar. | ||
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On September 30 2011 06:30 Curu wrote: You're saying if I lynch a Townie I must be scum because regardless of player, regardless of argument, regardless of anything if people agree with me it's somehow an easy lynch. I'm done talking with you until you grow some sense. Nope. You still can't read, Curu, and that's really sad. I guess we'll find out when Palmar gets lynched whether you're purposely being incompetent or you're just not able to comprehend my arguments because you're not thinking. | ||
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Forumite, risk.nuke, Incognito. Jackal is still pretty scummy to me as well, but his link to Palmar was weaker than the others. Also I don't believe either Nisani nor Sinani ever really mentioned Palmar either. | ||
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LOL someone's bitter about last game and probably SMG too. What do people think of Forumite and Incog? | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:10 Forumite wrote: Okay, to me it looked like WBG was defending Palmar from that lynch. He was accusing people of bandwagoning, which is valid, but why did he go on an on about how he knew who scum was depending on the flip? It looked like a desperate attempt to direct the Day 2 lynch, to cut short the discussion and making Town vote 72 hours of analysing. more like you and incog are scumbuddies | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:09 Curu wrote: lolol my first post in the game was lynching scum. Suck it WBG scum. don't repeat SMG. I'm not scum here and I wasn't there either. Remember? We realized it almost too late and we both got shot the same night. Focus your attention on Forumite and Incog and I'll be dropping Jackal for now. We need to lynch them instead of me/Jackal. I will admit I was wrong about Palmar and I could easily be wrong about Jackal too. For now I'm willing to push him aside because I really found Forumite's vote on Palmar to be suspicious. He reluctantly voted Palmar, basically soft-defending him. | ||
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On September 30 2011 07:23 Forumite wrote: I´m not sure about this one, but I think millers don´t know they are millers in most Mafia games. If the miller know´s he´s a miller, then claiming is basically saying "Don´t DT-check me, it´s no use." okay clearly you aren't town. Drunk demo is the vanilla townie. Lynch this guy. | ||
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On September 30 2011 06:56 Incognito wrote: Lol. I hope the first sentence is a joke, as there is no indication that I am "trying to start a bandwagon". I am just trying to point out things that nobody is talking about. Palmar is clearly about to be lynched, so I might as well move on. There isn't a strong enough case for me to defend him, but he isn't scummy enough for me to jump on the wagon and say "Yes! Plamar is 100% mafia" either. I never said the second statement. I am saying the case against him is questionable. Everyone is running around saying "Palmar is a great lynch" when it clearly isn't. Palmar isn't playing like his usual town OR usual mafia. Of course, if he survives this lynch I'll go back and examine his past games later when I have time. You all keep screaming "Lynch All Liars" which is one of those other buzzwords that have little meaning. The 3rd bolded statement is flat out a lie. I never said or even hinted that Palmar is 100% town. I'm curious that you have never actually contributed anything to the Palmar case except for this. And then you go beserk when I decide to vote for Erandorr instead of Palmar. If this isn't a blatant misrepresentation of my post, I don't know what is. Congratulations, you just became number 1 on my suspect list. Yo incog you're not dumb, why did you waste your vote on a townie you never expected to be lynched within half an hour? Why do you have no concrete opinions on any serious issues? You seem to have shied away from actually contributing anything meaningful so far. | ||
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Checking Forumite or Jackal would be far better IMO. | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:09 Forumite wrote: Not quite following here. He´s obviously referring to his vote on Shroedingers Scum, NotChezinu, who saye he hasn´t checked his role-PM, and is therefore impossible to get an accurate read on, since he´s not working toward his win-condition. yeah but his logic for saying that is almost nonexistent. Just like how you're scum and are trying to get NC lynched. It almost seems as if you believe Sevryn. | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:20 Incognito wrote: I am interested as to why you are pushing risk.nuke, since as far as I'm concerned, Palmar flipping red says nothing about him. At least not anymore than some of the other voters. Also why is Forumite scummy? Follow along, Inscumnito. On September 30 2011 01:20 Forumite wrote: Both you and Palmar are doing it, making a mockery of your own scumplay, as if that makes it easier to believe you are Town. It doesn´t, it´s a nulltell, because being aware of your metagame allow you to change it. On September 30 2011 01:41 Forumite wrote: You both look scummy, I´m just focusing on you for now. My first impression was Curu acting odd, and I´ve more or less ignored Palmar until quite recently. Translation= "You're both scummy because of the same nulltell but I think Curu is scummier for the arbitrary reason being I focused on him first and ignored Palmar" On September 29 2011 23:23 Forumite wrote: [/red]Good point. I think, that if we must focus on a pair of players and lynch the scummiest, then it´s better to lynch either of Palmar or Curu than Jackal and WBG, but if there is a fifth candidate that appears, then sure, please make that case, just as long as we do two things, stay away from Jackal and WBG for now, and FOCUS the lynch on few and likely candidates, I don´t want to see 20 players voting on 20 candidates, because that´s a game with 19 scum in it. On the Curu and Palmar, I am leaning toward Curu being the scum. I don´t have a good tell on Palmar (I haven´t analysed Mig´s case yet), while I have a very unhelpfull read on Curu. He´s not playing quite as aggressive as in the last 2 games where I played with him, where he was scum both times, but he´s admitted that he´s aware of how his metagame looked in those games, and how he´s changed it this game. If a metagame analysis doesn´t much help, then the seemingly baseless case on Palmar and his empty posts is what I have to go on. He´s not revealing any proof on why Palmar is scum but still want to lynch him, so either he´s scum or the case was based on only PM-info. I´m leaning towards Scum. Response to prpl. Translation= "Good point, I do look scummy, here's a wall of text that makes it look like I'm contributing so I look less scummy. However I lean Curu being scum despite having an unhelpful read on Curu. Since meta doesn't help in analyzing Curu I'm just going to lean scum on him and soft defend Palmar instead of calling both of them unreadable." + Show Spoiler + wtf is an "unhelpful" read on someone? On September 30 2011 01:43 Forumite wrote: Does this mean you agree with Curu and Mig that Palmar is scum? Forumite realizes here that his argument is shit and he's going to get huge suspicions if he doesn't switch to Palmar. He also realizes that townies are beginning to pick up on him being completely scummy. You know what his next post is? Complete 180. On September 30 2011 03:55 Forumite wrote: Do I really have to explain about metagame again? Basically I´m looking at this game only, ignoring your metagame for once, and then your play feels like you are reluctant to give info and like you are mostly in PM-land. If it was just you, then my gut feeling says that I should keep my eyes on you. However, Curu might give me bad wibes, but he hasn´t posted lies as part of his analysisas far as I´ve seen, while Palmar is picking and choosing to create an analysis in order to take out a good player. I want to lynch Palmar today, especially if he doesn´t get back and explain himself. ##Unvote Sinani206 ##Vote Palmar oh herro Sheep vote ftw On September 30 2011 04:30 Forumite wrote: I don´t care what they did or did not say about what their PMs said, I couldn´t care less, my reason to vote on Palmar was because of so many saying his analysis was based on false information and cherry-picking metagame. While him claiming BLU Pyro makes this a bit more confusing, if we can accept that whichever scumslip he posted was a mistake. Is it clear which scumslip he blames the case on him on? Self admitted sheep vote. He didn't vote Palmar because he found Palmar scummy. He voted Palmar because other people voted Palmar. He wanted to blend in. Forumite is scum. Oh also Incog is scum and should be shot in the face. | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:25 Jackal58 wrote: Bugs is scum. Any doubt should have evaporated when Palmar flipped. nah. Are you ever going to have a correct read on me? Incog/Forumite/Jackal remaining scum IMO. If not Jackal then probably risk.nuke | ||
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On September 30 2011 08:39 Incognito wrote: Why are you obsessed about forumite/me? You clearly will take the time to write out accusations of Forumite/me/jackal, but refuse to respond to my request about prplhz? Please stop making your "analysis" fit your assumptions while misinterpreting posts. It really isn't that hard to look at prplhz's posts and form an opinion. I'm sorry but I don't give my opinions to scum like you. | ||
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If you're not contributing I have no reason to give you my reads on anyone. I post here to make it public who I think is scum at any given moment in time. Right now the scummiest players in this game are you, Forumite, and Jackal. Finally, what is there to read that you have contributed? Your three posts of substance: On September 29 2011 12:28 Incognito wrote: Dear town, please ignore wherebugsgo. If he starts making sense and stops making a bunch of baseless assumptions maybe I'll start listening to him. Until then, he's just taking up space and has 1/6 of all the posts in this thread. None of them are very interesting. Also stop using gimmicky words like "OMGUS" and "meta". They're mostly meaningless terms people tack onto their "analyses" to make them look legitimate. I am not going to tolerate this nonsense. Unless you make some real arguments I will just ignore you or squish you like a bug, depending on how ridiculous you are. Note that there is likely a lot of KP this game. Which should be fun if you are a vig, as there are plenty of nice juicy targets lying around. Don't be afraid of PMs. As long as you watch yourself and don't do anything stupid, there's no reason not to take advantage of this resource. Can mafia manipulate? If you keep a healthy dose of skepticism and firmly ground your reasoning in logic, it is actually difficult for mafia to manipulate you. In fact, mafia love it when they can see every little thing that is going on in the thread. While PMs have the reputation for being a playground for manipulation and devious scheming, you just have to back off and look at things objectively and you'll be fine. The main reason PMs are a huge benefit for the town is that it allows us to conceal our actions. In a no-PM game, the mafia have a very good idea of what people are thinking. Generally, most people will be on the wrong track, and occasionally a few will be on the right track. Since no information is withheld from them, they can accurately make informed decisions on night kills and general posting strategy in order to mislead the town and eliminate anyone who could possibly oppose them. If you skillfully use PMs, however, the mafia are unable to accurately judge how active and dangerous you actually are and will be forced to be proactive in PMs and in the thread in order to collect information. Of course, this is inherently uncomfortable for them, as it conflicts their inherent desire to hide. Everyone knows that "mafia start out with an information advantage over the town", but hardly anyone recognizes that mafia needs to maintain that advantage if they want to stay competitive as the game goes longer. Using a healthy dose of PMs makes it that much harder for them to stay on top of the ball. If anything, its easier to manipulate the mafia in PMs than the other way around. With that said, unless something interesting happens (please feel free to let me know if you find anything), I'll be moving to PM land for now. Be back after the day post. First post=nothing but a dismissal of myself and Jackal, with no reason provided at all. Then you make a big speech about PMs and disappear without actually contributing anything we already didn't know. On September 30 2011 06:21 Incognito wrote: Here we go again with the baseless assumptions. Stop using throwing the word "meta" around. Townies are wrong all the time so this should NOT be a consideration for this lynch. This Palmar lynch is quite interesting right now, although this is nowhere near a "strong case". I am disturbed by the fact that nobody seems to be defending him in thread, (except perhaps wherebugsgo, underhandedly, and Forumite earlier) or is trying to derail the lynch. The most interesting thing about Palmar is that he doesn't defend himself at all and just claims alignment cop. The other thing is completely ignoring jackal and switching to Curu AFTER I said that the WBG and Jackal lynches are bad. With that said, there are definitely reasons to see why Palmar is town. Since this is quite an uncontested lynch, I'm going to be looking out for those lurkers who jumped on the wagon in the middle section. Erandorr and jcarlsoniv come to mind. ##Vote Erandorr for this post: Someone please tell me why Erandorr would pop up and pick on DropBear while voting Palmar in the same post. Palmar is also known for being scummy when town. Incog says "there are reasons for Palmar to be town." but only says that Palmar is also known for being scummy when town. That's not a reason. That's a subjective statement that's more or less useless. It doesn't discuss the case on Palmar. It doesn't say anything about Palmar or the lynch at all, and this is precisely what Incog's aim was. At least when I said I disliked Palmar's lynch I provided reasons for it. If there existed reasons for Palmar being town, Incog, why didn't you say them? On September 30 2011 06:56 Incognito wrote: Lol. I hope the first sentence is a joke, as there is no indication that I am "trying to start a bandwagon". I am just trying to point out things that nobody is talking about. Palmar is clearly about to be lynched, so I might as well move on. There isn't a strong enough case for me to defend him, but he isn't scummy enough for me to jump on the wagon and say "Yes! Plamar is 100% mafia" either. I never said the second statement. I am saying the case against him is questionable. Everyone is running around saying "Palmar is a great lynch" when it clearly isn't. Palmar isn't playing like his usual town OR usual mafia. Of course, if he survives this lynch I'll go back and examine his past games later when I have time. You all keep screaming "Lynch All Liars" which is one of those other buzzwords that have little meaning. The 3rd bolded statement is flat out a lie. I never said or even hinted that Palmar is 100% town. I'm curious that you have never actually contributed anything to the Palmar case except for this. And then you go beserk when I decide to vote for Erandorr instead of Palmar. If this isn't a blatant misrepresentation of my post, I don't know what is. Congratulations, you just became number 1 on my suspect list. Uhh does anyone else see what's wrong with this post? Look at what I've highlighted in red. 1. prpl never really "screamed" about LaL. Incog is in his dismissive mode again, where he assumes prpl is a noob and just dismisses whatever he is saying. Too bad Incog is actually misrepresenting prpl here (lol) 2. The third bolded statement doesn't insinuate that Incog said 100% town. So, in the process of saying prpl is trying to misrepresent him, Incog actually misrepresents prpl. 3. I've highlighted "misrepresentation" here because it's now clear that Incog is accusing prpl of misrepresentation. In fact, Incog is the one misrepresenting here, and is a hypocrite for doing it. He has contradicted himself. Yay scum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I suppose he could be shooting me cause he's just dumb too, since he's never actually been right about my alignment | ||
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Oh, that happy Australian Hunter. His life is mostly living in a van and arguing with his parents. Besides that, he’s amazing marksman and he can kill most of the classes in one, precise and silent shot. His twin brother was always training harder, the rivalry was always something huge in their lives. “Pink Cloud of Death” Day Vigilante: He must aim ##Aim Playername in the thread, hour after that shot is executed.Has one bullet. -_- Sevryn is right. I assumed the sniper roles were the same except the town sided had 2 shots | ||
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The person who didn't shoot could be of either alignment. | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote: If you die it's by Forumite's hand not mine. rofl this is actually really funny ahaha | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:33 Sevryn wrote: What? if the shot goes off fourmite is blue sniper who is the only sniper who can shoot at night. plus the sniper shot kills an hour later so we the kill goes before the day post I said nothing about Forumite. What I'm saying is that, if the shot goes off, Forumite is probably the blue sniper and we haven't gained anything about Jackal. That's all. | ||
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On September 30 2011 09:37 Jackal58 wrote: I really do wish I had a gun though. I'd have no problem shooting you even if I thought you were Jesus Townie Savior himself. o_O is this cause I got you lynched in iGrok's game? or is it cause you can never get my alignment right? + Show Spoiler + hahaha | ||
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yo yo yo wassup ma niggas wherebugsgo in da house Im about ta get shot in da face I feel it's causa ma race I sit here cryin' I'm gonna be dyin' please please please ma homies come save me my bronies there is one among y'all he's got a lotta damn gall his name's in to the cognito he's scum scum to the boneito and he's got a buddy, a nuke risk.nuke. such a damn gook. [/rap] obv can't be a forumite/Incog/Jackal scumteam keep an eye on those scummy lurkers. Risk.nuke has like 4 posts this game lol also I apologize if I have offended anyone this game particularly with my racially offensive rapping. | ||
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If the Blu sniper is around you can probably shoot Incog instead, then we can focus our lynch on someone more important. Although if I were the Blu sniper I'd probably wait around till daybreak to do that. ATM I'm on my phone, but I'm kind of curious as to why prpl posted about the role in the way that he did. Forumite's actions are weird and definitely deserve more investigation. Also risk.nuke has made his only significant post of the game, a post in which he accuses me of the GF for really weird reasons. He is rather suspicious to me as he has literally done nothing all game. (and was suspicious even before that accusation) Who doesn't think Incog is scum? Don't be afraid to say so, we need some opinions on this but so far I haven't seen anyone defend him, really. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + trollface.jpeg Erandor why would you ignore an entire page of discussion to post something about Forumite's gun jamming when the answer to your question was already in the thread? | ||
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On September 30 2011 20:12 Forumite wrote: WBG directing checks is very pro-Scum, since there´s a framer in the scumteam. Wtf you state this like a matter of fact. No doubt at all. You the framer, Forumite? Sorry about the double, I missed this earlier. | ||
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On October 01 2011 03:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well the framer is the GF. In every game I've played with a GF on the role list, there has been a GF. You have any reason to believe there wouldn't be a GF WBG? Why are you asking me this? In XLIV the GF was listed as a role and didn't appear on the scumteam. I do, however, believe that Incog would make a good GF in this setup. Also, the way Forumite posted about the framer (I didn't realize that the framer/GF were the same until just now when you pointed it out) suggests he knows there exists one. Look at the manner in which he blows off me saying "DTs should check Forumite/Jackal." He doesn't say that he and Jackal are town and therefore DTs would be wasting their time checking those two players. He says that there exists a framer (sort of implying, "don't be surprised if a check returns red on me/Jackal") and accuses me of being scum because I announced to the thread that Forumite is scum. Forumite has been med fishing all game long, and he was asking for med protection for no good reason last night when we clearly have MUCH better prots. | ||
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On October 01 2011 05:41 Jackal58 wrote: Here Curu: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11572578 I still see Bugs as scummy. Keep cherry picking my meta Jackal. I appeared "scummy" to two towns who were dumb, one in which I trolled but actually caught scum day 1 on shitty logic, and the other in which I made one statement that didn't make sense in light of all of the rest of my behavior (i.e. I was bandwagoned for a "scum slip" that was completely intentional in order to identify those who couldn't reason and would use that as a reason to dismiss my behavior all game) You've proven to us all that you completely disregard behavioral analysis whenever something arbitrarily strikes your fancy. You did it in SMG when you relied on your role too much and you couldn't wrap your head around your results on me and Palmar returning "same" because you didn't reason correctly and relied too much one one piece of evidence, your parity check. You did it in LoTR when you assumed I was third party solely because I asked for the ring (like Drazerk and Dr. H did) You did it in MLP when you automatically assumed tntked was a townie because he gambited and sent you a piece "when in danger of dying" (when in reality if you had actually took a moment to reason you would've realized he was in no danger of dying and his claim wasn't at all believable) And finally, you're doing it now. You make the assumption that I'm scum because I'm displaying town tells and making sense. Yeah, that really makes sense, Jackal. Clearly you wouldn't remember XLIV or Resurrection when I played straight townie, no trolling, no traps, right? | ||
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You were muted at some point last night or at the change of day? | ||
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I'm going to assume that we don't have a Blu sniper. Or at least, not a competent one. I assume this based on the fact that we all seem to agree that Incog is scum, yet no vig has come forth to shoot him. Despite this, if we all think Incog is scum we should probably let him dig his own grave and we should try to find the last two scumbuddies of his. Personally I think we should start with these players: Forumite risk.nuke There are a couple of other players I am currently considering but I would like to keep those cases private (to certain selected people I trust) and dig further before putting them out in the thread. This way I don't have to anticipate and correct for any drastic behavioral changes based on the fact that I am throwing a suspicion at a possible scum target. If you have any questions feel free to PM me. If you're mute or you don't feel like PMing just post in here. | ||
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On October 01 2011 06:52 Incognito wrote: prplhz does not have a pro-town agenda. If you look at all his posts, you will see that besides spreading doubt and fueling irrelevant discussions, prplhz never gives an indication that he is trying to figure stuff out. While he can be categorized as "active", he is just sticking to the sidelines and prodding without actually contributing and does not have a town agenda. This is a highly likely indicator that he is scum. However, the most important piece of evidence is this post: The bolded part is clearly sarcasm. What prplhz is claiming here is that he was in fact instrumental in Palmar's demise. Is this claim true? Absolutely not. He does vote for Palmar, who flips red, but he does not contribute to the lynch to the extent he claims. Notice the timing of his posts. Early in the game, prplhz says . It is fairly obvious that this is a joke post. Two posts later, he votes NotChezinu. 3 posts after that, he says "Palmar is actually scum this time" with no explanation. After this, there is a lul in the anti-Palmar rhetoric, and prplhz doesn't give an opinion on Palmar until two hours before the lynch ends, when it is clear that Palmar is going to die. This post is the only post in which prplhz gives a substantial opinion on Palmar, and it comes far too late: prplhz only votes Palmar after it is clear that Palmar is doomed. It is obvious that prplhz's post was not meant to influence people to vote Palmar, but to justify his vote. prplhz does not push Palmar's lynch at ANY time before this point, and doesn't contribute to the discussion when people are trying to figure out if they want to vote for Curu or Palmar. Look at prplhz's 3 posts before the one I just quoted: Is he contributing to the lynch? No. First he underhandedly accuses Forumite by suggesting he doesn't care about the lynch. Then he asks Forumite of his opinion on Palmar/Curu and criticizes Forumite for not trying to figure out if Palmar/Curu are scummy townies or scum, while failing to provide any insight himself. It is obvious that prplhz is not trying to bring clarity to the thread, but is rather trying to stir doubt. Yet after the lynch, he claims (using sarcasm) that he was instrumental in Palmar's lynch. This is clearly not true. prplhz is trying to claim undeserved credit for Palmar's lynch. There is no reason for a townie to do this. Thus, prplhz is mafia. You know, it's kinda funny how much Incog has been a hypocrite this game. He hasn't followed his own advice for townies, he accuses prpl for not having a pro-town agenda when his is one of the most anti-town in the game, and continues to spew garbage. Just look at this "analysis" of prpl. It isn't analysis, it's a wall of fluff. All game Incog has been insinuating that he's been producing things of value, particularly in his fantastical "PM land." Have any of you seen these supposed things of value? Have any of you seen what Incog has contributed to this town? I certainly haven't. Instead, Incog has been acting exactly like the type of player he's targetting; like a scummy lurker. | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:45 Forumite wrote: He posted that he asked GM if he was allowed to PM, that was way back. Read the thread. Also, tnkted, yes I´m mute, I´ve allready said that. Why can´t you just send me why WBG is a confirmed Town? Saying that others know why doesn´t help me at all. When you stall like this it only makes you and him look bad. yo you should ##aim risk.nuke See NC's reasoning above | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:54 Forumite wrote: If enough people want me to do this then I will consider it, although if you´ve read the answer from GM you should know this is a stupid thing to ask of me. The aiming during the night proved nothing about my role. If I aim and shoot, then I can be either Sniper, BLU or RED, if I aim without shooting, then you just told Scum I´m not the BLU Sniper. This is such balls Kurumi just confirmed there is on PM involved just ##aim him and get on with it, if you ##aim and nothing happens obv we know you're a townie | ||
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On October 02 2011 05:57 Kenpachi wrote: forumite, no harm done. ##aim: risk.nuke plz omfg why would you fucking do that | ||
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This is a DAY action. So, why aren't you doing it? | ||
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SOOO AWESOME [4:11:05 PM] wherebugsgo: yo [4:11:14 PM] wherebugsgo: are you available now? [4:11:21 PM] Curu: yeah [4:11:27 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [4:11:59 PM] wherebugsgo: so are you going to pressure Forumite in the thread? [4:12:02 PM] Curu: no [4:12:08 PM] wherebugsgo: why's that? [4:12:13 PM] Curu: cause I'd rather lynch incog [4:12:20 PM] wherebugsgo: okay forget incog for a second [4:12:29 PM] wherebugsgo: for all intents and purposes he's getting lynched [4:12:46 PM] wherebugsgo: if he's mafia we need to look at other players in the game [4:12:51 PM] wherebugsgoa: you said you suspect Forumite [4:13:12 PM] Curu: if he's Mafia I'd reread and prolly go after someone else based on what came up [4:13:19 PM] Curu: putting Forumite on the backburner for now [4:13:29 PM] wherebugsgo: so you don't think Forumite is scum? [4:13:51 PM] Curu: it's a possibility but it's not urgent [4:13:58 PM] wherebugsgo: but incog is urgent... [4:14:03 PM] Curu: yes [4:14:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:14:08 PM] wherebugsgo: so then why would you wait [4:14:10 PM] wherebugsgo: until he flips [4:14:12 PM] wherebugsgo: to look for information? [4:14:21 PM] wherebugsgo: why not do it now so we're not wasting time? [4:14:22 PM] Curu: cause I don't know 100% that he is mafia [4:14:30 PM] Curu: and I'd rather not waste time reading the thread until aftert he flips [4:14:31 PM] wherebugsgo: right so if you don't know if he's 100% mafia [4:14:39 PM] wherebugsgo: shouldn't we be doing something to determine who is mafia? [4:14:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and if incog is the right lynch? [4:14:50 PM] Curu: he's the right lynch [4:14:53 PM] wherebugsgo: wtf [4:15:03 PM] Curu: no one else looks scummier [4:15:06 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:15:07 PM] Curu: am I 100% sure he is scum? no [4:15:12 PM] wherebugsgo: alright so outline [4:15:12 PM] Curu: would I give him the highest chance to flip scum? prolly [4:15:13 PM] wherebugsgo: what you would do [4:15:15 PM] wherebugsgo: if he flips scum [4:15:18 PM] wherebugsgo: and if he flips town [4:15:19 PM] Curu: I don't know [4:15:23 PM] Curu: I'd have to decide after he flips [4:15:25 PM] wherebugsgo: no [4:15:28 PM] wherebugsgo: that's stupid [4:15:29 PM] wherebugsgo: you can't have absolutely no idea [4:15:33 PM] wherebugsgo: what you'd do [4:15:35 PM] wherebugsgo: until he flips [4:15:39 PM] Curu: why not? [4:15:50 PM] wherebugsgo: because that suggests you're not thinking in advance [4:15:59 PM] wherebugsgo: and that you basically don't give a shit about the rest of this day right now [4:16:18 PM] Curu: Not much is going to change my mind on Incog [4:16:31 PM] Curu: and I'd rather wait till more info comes up [4:16:37 PM] Curu: before dedicating myself to searching for more stuff [4:16:37 PM] wherebugsgo: and what's wrong [4:16:43 PM] wherebugsgo: with trying to find that information? [4:17:04 PM] Curu: cause it's much more relevant and worth the time after I know for sure what he is [4:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: so right now [4:17:14 PM] wherebugsgo: we should do nothing [4:17:16 PM] wherebugsgo: is what you're saying [4:17:21 PM] Curu: I'm doing stuff [4:17:22 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [4:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you mean, talking to Mig? [4:17:48 PM] Curu: mmhmm [4:17:50 PM] Curu: some others too [4:17:50 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:18:26 PM] Curu: I've gone through pretty much everyone I might want to lynch today [4:18:30 PM] Curu: and my conclusion is Incog [4:18:35 PM] wherebugsgo: and no second choice [4:18:35 PM] Curu: there's a reason I waited so long to vote [4:18:36 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [4:18:37 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [4:18:42 PM] wherebugsgo: literally no second choice [4:18:43 PM] Curu: why do I need a second choice [4:18:47 PM] wherebugsgo: in case you're wrong [4:18:57 PM] Curu: in case I' [4:19:00 PM] Curu: m wrong I can't go back in time [4:19:02 PM] Curu: and change the lynch [4:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: actually you could [4:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: cause the lynch hasn't started yet [4:19:18 PM] wherebugsgo: we haven't lynched incog yet [4:19:31 PM] wherebugsgo: so saying you're not going to find anyone scummier than him [4:19:38 PM] wherebugsgo: when we have 23 hours left [4:19:44 PM] Curu: nope [4:19:44 PM] wherebugsgo: is just stupid [4:19:48 PM] Curu: I've gone through everyone I want to [4:19:54 PM] Curu: my conclusion is Incog [4:20:08 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [4:20:08 PM] wherebugsgo: so [4:20:14 PM] wherebugsgo: 1. you think he's most likely scum [4:20:19 PM] wherebugsgo: 2. you're not 100% confident he's scum [4:20:32 PM] wherebugsgo: 3. but you're not willing to take into account you might be wrong before lynching him [4:20:41 PM] wherebugsgo: 4. so you're basically lynching him regardless of his alignment [4:20:53 PM] Curu: what do you want from me [4:20:57 PM] Curu: I think he is scummiest [4:20:59 PM] Curu: so I want to lynch him [4:21:02 PM] Curu: that's all there is to it [4:21:05 PM] wherebugsgo: no, it isn't [4:21:09 PM] Curu: I'm not going to push Forumite when Id on't want Forumite lynched today [4:21:11 PM] wherebugsgo: you can't have no other scum reads [4:21:20 PM] Curu: I do have other scum reads [4:21:20 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let's imagine [4:21:29 PM] Curu: But I am not going to push them or post them until after Incog dies [4:21:29 PM] wherebugsgo: incog gets lynched [4:21:42 PM] wherebugsgo: who do you push tomorrow? [4:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: you seriously haven't thought about that? [4:22:04 PM] wherebugsgo: why is it that [4:22:05 PM] wherebugsgo: pushing someone [4:22:13 PM] wherebugsgo: automatically means you want to lynch them TODAY? [4:22:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you can push them if you think they're scum, regardless of whether you think someone else is scummier [4:22:34 PM] wherebugsgo: your logic isn't making sense [4:22:35 PM] Curu: I have thought about it [4:22:40 PM] Curu: why would I post something for tomorrow' slynch [4:22:40 PM] Curu: now [4:22:52 PM] wherebugsgo: -_- [4:22:59 PM] wherebugsgo: because you need to discuss possibilities [4:23:00 PM] wherebugsgo: I'm not saying [4:23:04 PM] wherebugsgo: you need to put into stone [4:23:08 PM] wherebugsgo: who we're going to lynch tomorrow [4:23:15 PM] Curu: or I can discuss possibilities after Incog flips and I know which alignment he is [4:23:23 PM] wherebugsgo: okay look [4:23:31 PM] wherebugsgo: there aren't fifty different alignments Incog could flip [4:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: there's only two [4:23:34 PM] wherebugsgo: therefore [4:23:38 PM] wherebugsgo: you can discuss both possibilities NOW [4:23:46 PM] wherebugsgo: rather than wait and waste 20+ hours [4:23:47 PM] wherebugsgo: of doing nothing [4:23:53 PM] wherebugsgo: which it seems you are perfectly content in doing [4:24:05 PM] wherebugsgo: ex. [4:24:12 PM] wherebugsgo: if Incog flips town does that make Forumite scummier? [4:24:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if he flips mafia? [4:24:18 PM] Curu: nope [4:24:29 PM] wherebugsgo: so incog's alignment has no bearing on your read on Forumite? [4:24:37 PM] Curu: nope [4:24:42 PM] wherebugsgo: okay so then why aren't you pushing him now? [4:25:04 PM] wherebugsgo: if incog's alignment has no bearing on your read of forumite [4:25:07 PM] Curu: why would I push him now [4:25:08 PM] wherebugsgo: you don't need to wait to see incog flip [4:25:10 PM] Curu: Id on't want him lynched now [4:25:12 PM] wherebugsgo: LOL [4:25:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay so [4:25:18 PM] wherebugsgo: you first said [4:25:24 PM] wherebugsgo: you didn't want to discuss things now because Incog hasn't flipped yet [4:25:41 PM] wherebugsgo: then you say you don't want to discuss Forumite not because of Incog but because you don't want to lynch him now [4:25:51 PM] wherebugsgo: you say he's scummy to you [4:26:00 PM] wherebugsgo: if he's scum you'll have to lynch him eventually [4:26:05 PM] wherebugsgo: makes no sense to waste time [4:26:10 PM] Curu: maybe I don't think he's scum anymore [4:26:12 PM] Curu: maybe I do and am lazy [4:26:13 PM] Curu: who knows! [4:26:18 PM] wherebugsgo: so you're content [4:26:26 PM] wherebugsgo: with this [4:26:27 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [4:26:29 PM] Curu: yep [4:26:35 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [4:26:36 PM] wherebugsgo: besides Mig [4:26:42 PM] wherebugsgo: who else are your townreads? [4:28:01 PM] Curu: I'd rather not share that [4:28:09 PM] wherebugsgo: mmkay [4:28:22 PM] wherebugsgo: and I guess you're not willing to share who you're PMing, either? [4:28:45 PM] Curu: you don't benefit from that information anyways if you're Town [4:28:56 PM] wherebugsgo: who says I don't? [4:28:58 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway [4:29:01 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think [4:29:02 PM] wherebugsgo: of NotChezinu? [4:29:29 PM] Curu: he's probably not Chezinu [4:29:39 PM] Curu: and probably not GM either [4:29:52 PM] wherebugsgo: what makes you say that? [4:30:01 PM] wherebugsgo: what alignment do you lean? [4:30:03 PM] Curu: cause I talked to GM about other stuff [4:30:12 PM] Curu: nothing he has done makes me think he is Town or sucm [4:30:16 PM] wherebugsgo: sooo [4:30:17 PM] wherebugsgo: null [4:30:36 PM] Curu: yep [4:30:58 PM] wherebugsgo: is there anyone other than Incog or Forumite you think is possibly scum? [4:31:30 PM] Curu: wont know till he flips! [4:31:45 PM] wherebugsgo: alrighty then [4:31:58 PM] wherebugsgo: I think that's all [4:32:02 PM] wherebugsgo: feel free to PM me if you have questions ##unvote Incognito ##vote Curu | ||
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[12:59:38 PM] wherebugsgo: yo you free? [1:00:05 PM] Curu: about to go out [1:00:06 PM] Curu: actually [1:00:15 PM] wherebugsgo: 2 minutes? [1:00:20 PM] Curu: sure [1:00:29 PM] wherebugsgo: kk so since the town is full of derps I'd figure I'd ask you [1:00:31 PM] wherebugsgo: what you think of Forumite [1:00:42 PM] Curu: I don't think he can play this retarded as Town [1:00:47 PM] Curu: But Mig thinks he is retard Townie [1:00:53 PM] Curu: and he is better than me at separating them from scum [1:01:08 PM] wherebugsgo: are you going to make a case on him in the thread? [1:01:28 PM] Curu: i made one [1:01:37 PM] wherebugsgo: link? [1:02:36 PM] Curu: uh [1:02:37 PM] wherebugsgo: actually just repost it [1:02:38 PM] Curu: it was sometime during the night [1:02:43 PM] Curu: i really gotta go [1:02:44 PM] Curu: lol [1:02:54 PM] wherebugsgo: kk bye [1:03:26 PM] wherebugsgo: wait wait hold on just remembered [1:03:38 PM] wherebugsgo: are you more confident in incog or forumite? [1:04:03 PM] Curu: my thoughts are kinda the same as erandorrs surprisingly [1:04:05 PM] Curu: the post he just made [1:04:06 PM] Curu: incog is so bad [1:04:10 PM] Curu: town or scum his play is so bad [1:04:15 PM] Curu: but bad play is probably more scum [1:04:29 PM] Curu: Forumite I kind of expect it [1:04:47 PM] Curu: I would prolly lynch Incog at this point [1:04:58 PM] wherebugsgo: but do you prefer Forumite? [1:05:20 PM] Curu: eh [1:05:21 PM] Curu: no [1:05:26 PM] Curu: if incog flipped town id probably want jcarl [1:05:43 PM] wherebugsgo: you don't prefer Forumite because of Mig? [1:06:09 PM] Curu: there are some aspects of his play that just looks like retard town [1:06:23 PM] wherebugsgo: but you just said you think he's scum? [1:06:50 PM] Curu: no I said he is playing like a retard [1:06:58 PM] Curu: and it's pretty bad if he is Town [1:07:04 PM] Curu: but it's not beyond the realm of possibility [1:07:57 PM] wherebugsgo: hmmm [1:08:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay well I still think you should pressure Forumite [1:08:13 PM] wherebugsgo: since if he is indeed mafia he's slipping under the radar thanks to this incog shit [1:08:21 PM] Curu: jcarl erandorr were pretty scummy [1:08:39 PM] Curu: incog scum means jcarl prolly town tho [1:08:41 PM] Curu: bye [1:08:52 PM] wherebugsgo: k when you get back let's talk a little more this earlier one was from 7 hours ago. | ||
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You don't think that's half assed, Mig? | ||
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On October 02 2011 12:05 Mig wrote: Everything palmar did this game was half assed. Including his attack on Jackal and all the times I talked to him on skype. I don't think he decided to half ass everything and at the same time come up with this ridiculous plan with curu. I am just laughing at this I mean lets use some common sense here, which is more likely curu/palmar monsterous bus master scheme? Or uh how about curu is just town? Most times the simplest answer is the correct one. Again, you didn't take part in Cosmic. This bus is exactly like how Jackal bussed JeeJee. Curu even alluded to Jackal possibly being scum because of how Palmar FoSed him day 1 | ||
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I'll be trying to clear my head a little so I can play better from here on out. If anyone wishes to contact me you may do so via PMs and I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have If you're mute just ask here. On October 03 2011 01:17 Sevryn wrote: The case on Curu is pretty shitty now that i look on it with fresh eyes it only has any weight if you guarantee that palmar was bussed and the evidence that he was bussed really isnt that compelling. If incog flips scum we need to look at NotChezinu for making a giant distraction case. ##unvote ##vote NotChezinu If you're in the same boat as I am, Sevryn, you should consider things a bit more before making a reflex vote. I voted Curu based on the 16-24 hours of PMs I had with NC and Incog anda few hours of prodding Curu and Mig. I didn't like how Curu emphasized being "100% confirmed townie" (I don't think you can become confirmed by the mod in the way he did) and I also found it extremely weird that Palmar would just roll over and die. Then ofc I didn't like how easy the incognito lynch was, for a good player. This led me to believe Incog was town. A whole bunch of things add up like this. If Incog flips town though, who do we go after next? We haven't at all established that in the thread and it's disturbing how few people are willing to think beyond this lynch. If Incog flips scum that's great, it was surprisingly easy. (also I think I understand what Curu meant now by saying that if Incog is scum we'll have to clean up the thread after) ##unvote Curu | ||
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I don't know what the purpose of your question is. Maybe this would be something that is more productive if taken to PMs. | ||
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On October 03 2011 07:34 Forumite wrote: tnkted and Incog screwed up, and Town pays for it. When the bandwagon on Incog started, Scum could just stand aside and watch. I expect scum to hide among Incogs supporters who didn´t help him when the bandwagon picked up speed, like NotChezinu, and among low-activity players. Thoughts on this? give your scumreads plain and clear so we can all see them. If you're mute you can't do anything else other than contribute in the thread. If you're town you shouldn't see anything wrong with being active and helpful, no? If you're scum obviously it'll be difficult for you to contribute. Provide your thoughts on the three players you think are most likely to be scum, please. | ||
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I never PMed you with options. I'm talking about who is PMing you/Forumite with this "pick option B 5" business | ||
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The question asker can PM me with his identity. Stop assuming I come with a pro-mafia agenda. | ||
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On October 03 2011 09:07 Erandorr wrote: Hey bugs, calm down. No need to pretend that you are an idiot when you send the questions to me yourself Is this a troll? | ||
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Has anyone received communication from NC? If no then I'd suggest looking into him today. I'll be gone for the end of night phase so if I die then I'd suggest looking at NC and whoever else has not shown much will to contribute toward town efforts. At this moment in time if I had to give out my best guesses it would be NC, Erandor, and jcarl. If any one of these players is a townie then probably risk.nuke. The problem ATM is that NC seems too easy of a lynch. It's like Incog all over again. The only compelling reason I can see for it being NC is balance, but even that isn't set in stone. hopefully if we have a night vig he's chosen carefully tonight so we perhaps don't have to deal with one of these players. | ||
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##vote NotChezinu yo if there's a vig in this town make our job easy and shoot him. Then we can focus the lynch on someone else. | ||
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On October 04 2011 08:51 Curu wrote: Oh fuck me I'm an idiot. Sorry guys -_-. what is this? | ||
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Let's discuss, no? | ||
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Original Message From NotChezinu: sorry, you gave up my smurf. I'm done talking with you. I understand sharing logs, no issue with that, but there was no reason not to go back and blank out all the GMarshal's. I'm honestly peeved about that. yeah GM, great idea on your part to disappear for 8 hours and the entire night phase, then not want to talk in IRC because I didn't blank out the part where you claimed to me and Incog in IRC. Had you actually played properly I would never have seen any reason to disclose those logs to anyone. | ||
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On October 04 2011 09:11 Forumite wrote: Technically, the trolling of lying about reading it is not as bad as the trolling by not reading. I still think what you did was stupid and unhelpfull. why are you stuck on this singular point? Honestly if you didn't believe it was trolling I have to seriously question your intelligence. All that matters right now is whether or not NC is town. He's not doing anything town-worthy, so I'm willing to consider him scum for now. GM if you're actually town and are actually pissed about the smurf thing you should probably play pro-townie instead of pulling an Incog and being absolutely useless for this day. I have no idea why you would play like this as town, so I'm simply going to assume that you are scum until you have adequately displayed that you are not. If anyone is further interested in WHY NC's identity matters, you should check out his meta from these two games: Cosmic Horror, hosted by Hesmyrr, where he played Ferry (and nailed a case on Wiggles day 1, who was scum) Some Mafia Game hosted by Ace, where he played Bayonnet (and shot a scummyish townie iGrok as a scum dayvig and proceeded to do nothing pro-town, similar to how he's playing now) | ||
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On October 04 2011 09:13 NotChezinu wrote: fuck you. So, I have a family emergency AND an issue with my college funding , meaning I had other things to take care of. Sorry that I couldn't be here for you. I remind you though that you fully agreed with my case on curu. What happened to that? Oh right you had a change of heart, how... convenient. I'd request a vigi fucking shoot me now. yes because the case really held up when Mig posted logs of both Curu and Palmar PMing him right? If you're town how can you be this blind? How are you supposed to expect Curu to be scum after what Mig posted in the thread? Yeah, it's understandable if none of that evidence existed, but it's honestly more retarded to ignore it and continue pushing a case that is dead once the relevant evidence has appeared. That's just closed-mindedness. How is Curu scum in this case? Would he and Palmar have faked the logs in advance? I honestly don't see this. It's extremely weird you would show up RIGHT AFTER the night phase is over, too. And finally you don't need to emotionally appeal to get your point across. The game is fucked enough as it is. | ||
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God this game is extremely frustrating atm. | ||
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Also I tend to buy the argument that both Curu and Palmar are really lazy as scum. On top of the unlikelihood of scum bussing someone day 1 AND it being the pyro, AND them going out of their way to convince Mig, AND faking logs between each other, I just don't see Curu being scum anymore. Had I known about Palmar and Curu both messaging Mig, and had I known about the Curu/Palmar logs I would've never gone to the lengths that I did to think Curu could possibly be scum. | ||
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We don't actually gain information today (like yesterday) no matter what NC flips, IMO. If he's scum he's likely to get bussed, if he's town he'll just get bandwagonned. So, although I don't oppose the NC lynch I say we consider the use of what time we have to generate discussion about the players who remain in the game and determine who fits the bill of being scum. Let's start with this guy: On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote: I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill Incognito The fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious people wherebugsgo I have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote: If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito. He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up tnkted Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote: WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote: PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notes I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear. Every single person he mentions in this post is town. Note how he starts with the thing about prpl dying. First of all, NOTHING was clear about what it meant for prpl to die. Perhaps some mafia wanted to create WIFOM and make Incog look bad by killing prpl (clearly it worked). risk jumps on this and claims Incog 100% mafia solely based on this incident. He also earlier said "I don't buy his bluff" without ever explaining what he meant by that. It was clearly in context of Incog and prpl, but other than putting out there that he had his doubts risk never commented on the lynch of Incog. He then sets me up to be scum if Incog flips blue, without actually providing evidence as to why that is true. So, first, Incog was set up to be scum 100% by the way he posted and how prpl died, according to risk. So then WHY am I considered to be scum if Incog flips blue? What happened to that confidence, and where is this link coming from? I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant.Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notes I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear. I don't understand the bolded part. Please let me know if I'm wrong and it's just risk.nuke who has ignored my PMs, but AFAIK he has not spoken to anyone in this game yet. If he has, then I must simply not know about it for whatever reason. If you have spoken to risk.nuke please PM me or some townie you trust and tell them. However, at the time I thought it was rather suspicious he didn't even bother to reply to me. Since he posted this (and I didn't actually notice he posted this before) it suggests he is not mute. If he were mute, he wouldn't post in the thread that he considered what to reply. The only other post of significance risk.nuke has made all game is this: On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote: If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. Where he, for whatever reason, accuses me of being GF (I called him out on it and I never got a response) This post's logic is so convoluted I really don't know what to say. The last part I've bolded is interesting because it's a soft defend of Forumite. He accuses me of making a case on Forumite based on nothing (false) and that I wanted to frame someone for Palmar going down (wtf does that mean?) when I realized he wasn't saveable (lol) Fact is, I had very good reasons for believing Forumite was scum (he was wishy washy as hell on Palmar) and also, the "framing" part makes no sense whatsoever. I'm rather tired of the multiple players in this game, particularly risk.nuke, sinani, Forumite, and Sevryn getting away with not contributing anything worthwhile and not taking flak for it. We need to step it up and pressure these players, or we'll have some trouble on our hands when we're trying to figure out which one of the lurkers is most likely to be scum. | ||
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Nothing NC said then seems scummy, and nothing he's done since (other than randomly disappearing) is either. However I will say he's worth a check, and if he doesn't contribute his thoughts we should kill him. Since NC has no links to any players other than me, I think we should find the other 2 scum first (since I am definitely not scum) and we can kill NC in the case we don't find scum today. ##unvote NotChezinu ##vote risk.nuke | ||
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Let's get rid of risk.nuke. I don't buy NC being scum, and if he's not scum he'll (hopefully) establish his towniness in the next 43 hours. If he is indeed scum we'll have plenty of time to switch our votes back to him before the end of the day. We only need what, 7 votes? That's not a lot | ||
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Whichever of these lurkers is the scummiest, IMO, should get the axe today. risk.nuke did a nice soft defend of Forumite so I'd expect him to flip scum, and I wouldn't be surprised if Forumite is scum too. Curu have you PMed risk.nuke at all? Has anyone? | ||
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What's up with the really bad activity levels? | ||
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On October 04 2011 20:34 Kurumi wrote: You know what that means? Curu the BLU Drunk Demoman has been modkilled! Are you fucking kidding me? What the fuck kind of modkill is this? | ||
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Anyway, to clarify again, literally no one has had communication with this guy? He's not done anything in the thread either...we need people in IRC and stuff. This is a very important day and we've gone almost 24 hours with almost no activity from anyone. We've got a modkill and a replacement on our hands and we need to do something today or we're going to get screwed by the lurkers. It's extraordinarily frustrating. If we still have mutes you guys need to start stepping it up in the thread. Treat it like a normal game and stop lurking so damn hard. The other thing we need to contend with are time zone issues. Right now there's a handful of Americans, a handful of Europeans, and then Dropbear. Let's begin coordinating times so I don't have to wait for PMs to show up and/or watch TL like a hawk to see when I can speak to someone. People I would like to hear from, either in PMs or in the thread: Forumite, sinani, risk.nuke, Dropbear, xt, sevryn. Oh look that's 6 people out of the remaining 12. -_- | ||
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also a reminder to any townies in the game, if I haven't talked to you yet we have a problem. This goes for Dropbear, mostly, but also sinani, who has seemed to disappear. | ||
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You need to make up for all the time you have contributed jack shit. | ||
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wherebugsgo sinani risk.nuke xtfftc sevryn In addition to these thoughts please provide your 3 most likely scum and whoever your town reads happen to be. | ||
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I have a case coming up in an hour or so. We have less than 16 hours left to lynch and we have almost nothing. No one seems to want to do anything. How are we going to find scum if there aren't people pressuring and trying to find/consolidate information? This is pathetic. I will not be around for the majority of tomorrow morning. I'm going to sleep after I post this upcoming case, and then I will expect you all to vote accordingly. I will be here for the penultimate 3 hours (but not the last hour) before lynch. I have class from 8-12 PST tomorrow morning and 14-15 PST basically. | ||
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The day has come. Today, we lynch scum. And no, I do not think it is risk.nuke. Look at how easy this lynch is. No one is defending the poor guy. He's a new player. He's willing to PM. He's scummy as hell, but I don't think he's actually mafia. In my talk with him earlier today he said some weird things but in looking at how other things have played out in this game I don't think he's actually scum. So, then, who is scum? 95%+ scum: sinani206 sevryn Sinani made a fatal mistake today. It was this post: On October 05 2011 10:34 sinani206 wrote: dropbear is scummy ##Vote: DropBear He has literally done nothing all game. He has had no reads, no intentions of providing reads, no use whatsoever. There's the small chance he isn't scum, but that chance is so small and the possibility is so unlikely that I frankly don't give a shit. This single post by sinani linked him to sevryn. So far all game, sinani has not done anything but just slip by undetected. Day 1 he voted Curu, and I don't believe anyone noticed (I didn't notice until I started looking at the top 6 scum targets of today) at all. Now he's voting DB? His vote was #3 on Incog at the time on day 2, perfect time for a mafia to step in and vote a townie. By comparison, other people I find extremely scummy (Forumite, sevryn) also bandwagoned; Forumite joined both the Palmar and Incog lynches really late and sevryn blindly hopped on the Curu wagon AFTER the case was destroyed by Mig. On day 1 sevryn voted NC instead of Palmar. By vote analysis alone all three of these guys fit as a scumteam. There exist two other anomalies in the voting pattern, namely NC (replaced by xtfftc) and risk.nuke, but both of these can potentially be explained in other ways. Besides, we have time to consider them after we lynch sinani. So, let's ignore them for now. (this is, after all, sinani's turn to get attention) Sevryn link to Sinani Incoming is a spoilered IRC log of a conversation I had with Sevryn earlier this afternoon. I had a conversation with him last night as well but unfortunately my browser crashed before I had the foresight to save that one. Not like that really matters though, since I got all I wanted out of Sevryn in this log. + Show Spoiler [sevrynlog] + [16:01] <wherebugsgo> yo [16:01] <wherebugsgo> let's talk a little [16:01] <sevryn> hey [16:01] <sevryn> i concur [16:01] <wherebugsgo> alright [16:01] <wherebugsgo> who would you like to lynch today? [16:02] <sevryn> tbh i havnt been following the thread that closely [16:02] <sevryn> give me a few? [16:02] <sevryn> ive been doing a minecraft thing like all day [16:03] <sevryn> tho [16:03] <sevryn> i dont like dropbear [16:03] <sevryn> hes tunneling me and then going super lurke [16:03] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:03] <sevryn> which is kinda hypocritical of me to call someone a lurker [16:03] <wherebugsgo> will you read the last few pages and stuff you've missed [16:03] <sevryn> because ive been afk alot [16:03] <sevryn> yea i am now [16:03] <wherebugsgo> and then come back to me [16:03] <wherebugsgo> in lik [16:03] <wherebugsgo> 20 minutes? [16:03] <wherebugsgo> is that enough? [16:03] <sevryn> should be [16:04] <sevryn> oh holy shit [16:04] <sevryn> curu was VT ugh that makes xtffc look bad [16:05] <wherebugsgo> mmhmm [16:21] <sevryn> xtff dropbear risknuke [16:21] <sevryn> are my biggest scum reads [16:21] <wherebugsgo> okay, why [16:21] <wherebugsgo> for each [16:22] <sevryn> Risknuke because he hasn't done like anything and everynow and then he will pop up [16:22] <sevryn> have you talked to him at all? [16:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I have [16:22] <wherebugsgo> I talked to him a few hours ago [16:22] <sevryn> did he contribute anything? [16:23] <wherebugsgo> not much no [16:23] <wherebugsgo> it's his first game though [16:23] <sevryn> you cant read to much into that imo [16:23] <wherebugsgo> as in? [16:24] <sevryn> as in one might use the excuse of inexperiance to explain scummy behaivor [16:24] <sevryn> anyway [16:24] <sevryn> dropbear [16:24] <sevryn> is super duper tunneling but he never really made a case [16:25] <sevryn> like he wants to look like hes scum hunting but he just accuses me of beings scum and goes away [16:25] <sevryn> idk if you were on irc the other night when i talked to him [16:25] <sevryn> someone might have the log [16:25] <sevryn> well overseer should [16:25] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:25] <sevryn> and then xtffc as GM replacement [16:26] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:26] <sevryn> what are you reads? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> what do you think of Forumite and sinani? [16:26] <sevryn> sinani is in this game? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:26] <sevryn> lol [16:27] <sevryn> how many posts has he made? [16:27] <wherebugsgo> I dunno, not more than 10 I don't think [16:27] <sevryn> do you know if hes been active in pm land? [16:27] <sevryn> i havnt talked to him [16:27] <wherebugsgo> okay I just counted he's posted 17 posts [16:27] <wherebugsgo> and he's claimed mute [16:27] <wherebugsgo> so no [16:28] <sevryn> but since we have so few people we might want to start lynching lurkers somewhat also have you thought about my scum are the ones that arnt mute theory? [16:28] <wherebugsgo> I've considered it [16:28] <wherebugsgo> but who does that leave? [16:29] <wherebugsgo> why does muteness correlate with alignment? [16:29] <sevryn> because mafia are the only ones that can mute people [16:29] <sevryn> o wait [16:29] <sevryn> nvm [16:29] <sevryn> just remmeber its temporary [16:29] <sevryn> so thats irrelavant [16:29] <sevryn> like i said [16:30] <sevryn> havnt looked at the game in a while [16:30] <wherebugsgo> uhhh [16:30] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:31] <sevryn> you remember when we talked about that? [16:31] <sevryn> anyway what are you reads [16:31] <sevryn> you didnt answer me [16:31] <wherebugsgo> yeah I recall but honestly I don't think it has anything to do with anything [16:31] <wherebugsgo> you didn't say anything about Forumite [16:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite first [16:32] <wherebugsgo> then we'll get to my reads [16:32] <sevryn> null read on him i havnt filter him or anything [16:32] <sevryn> but nothing really stands out [16:32] <wherebugsgo> really? [16:32] <wherebugsgo> okay [16:33] <wherebugsgo> I think risk is scum [16:33] <wherebugsgo> out of the other five [16:33] <wherebugsgo> who I've listed [16:33] <sevryn> reasons on risk? [16:33] <wherebugsgo> what I've talked to him in PMs [16:33] <wherebugsgo> and what he's said in thread [16:33] <wherebugsgo> in the thread he keeps randomly FoSing people [16:33] <wherebugsgo> who flip town [16:33] <wherebugsgo> only one who hasn't died yet is me [16:33] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:34] <sevryn> what do you think of jcarl? [16:34] <wherebugsgo> kinda null on jcarl, why? [16:34] <wherebugsgo> you think he's scum? [16:35] <sevryn> i dont have a read on him but kenpachi does wondering if you know why [16:35] <wherebugsgo> no, I don't actually [16:49] <sevryn> well im off for the night peace Let's summarize this IRC log with Sevryn, and completely ignore the derp slips that, for any other player, would be serious offenses (such as not reading the thread) 1. Sevryn starts out with saying he doesn't like Dropbear. Dropbear to me at the time was a null read, but with a good sequence of events coupled with the information I have from Mig and Curu I have extremely good reasons to believe DropBear is town. Sinani's derp vote with no reasoning on DB strongly suggests to me that they've been trying to push him as scum and have been taking advantage of his inactivity in order to try for a mislynch. Well, DB is NOT scum and he is one of my strongest town reads in the game currently. I just got done speaking with him on IRC and what he told me matches perfectly with the information I have from Curu and Mig. If you desire to know this information please PM me or let me know in the thread so I can tell you why DB is town. 2. Sevryn lists risk.nuke among the players he finds scummy for reasons that could easily be applied to himself and sinani as well. In fact, sinani is a worse offender IMO than risk.nuke, seeing as sinani is not a new player and sinani also has shown no desire to actually contribute. On the other hand, risk.nuke talked to me a while on skype. Sinani? Ignored literally everything in the thread. Sevryn then keeps pushing risk.nuke when I say he's a new player, saying "well you can't look into that too much." 3. This quote: [16:26] <sevryn> what are you reads? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> what do you think of Forumite and sinani? [16:26] <sevryn> sinani is in this game? [16:26] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:26] <sevryn> lol [16:27] <sevryn> how many posts has he made? [16:27] <wherebugsgo> I dunno, not more than 10 I don't think [16:27] <sevryn> do you know if hes been active in pm land? [16:27] <sevryn> i havnt talked to him [16:27] <wherebugsgo> okay I just counted he's posted 17 posts [16:27] <wherebugsgo> and he's claimed mute [16:27] <wherebugsgo> so no [16:28] <sevryn> but since we have so few people we might want to start lynching lurkers somewhat also have you thought about my scum are the ones that arnt mute theory? [16:28] <wherebugsgo> I've considered it [16:28] <wherebugsgo> but who does that leave? [16:29] <wherebugsgo> why does muteness correlate with alignment? [16:29] <sevryn> because mafia are the only ones that can mute people [16:29] <sevryn> o wait [16:29] <sevryn> nvm [16:29] <sevryn> just remmeber its temporary [16:29] <sevryn> so thats irrelavant [16:29] <sevryn> like i said [16:30] <sevryn> havnt looked at the game in a while As soon as I mention sinani, sevryn goes, "he's in this game?" If sevryn truly cared about lynching lurkers or non contributing townies then I'm sure he would've realized that sinani has been the biggest culprit of this all game long. He then asks me if he's been active in PMs, something that I sworn I could've talked to him about the other day in IRC, but nonetheless a retarded question since it can be answered in the thread. However, that's not the worst part. When I confirm that sinani is mute, sevryn immediately defends all mute players from suspicion (and thus soft defends both sinani and forumite) by saying that mutes cannot be mafia. When I ask how muteness correlates with alignment I get no answer. 4. Finally, I ask him about Forumite as I figure I'm not getting anything new from this guy. What does Sevryn say on Forumite? [16:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite first [16:32] <wherebugsgo> then we'll get to my reads [16:32] <sevryn> null read on him i havnt filter him or anything [16:32] <sevryn> but nothing really stands out [16:32] <wherebugsgo> really? Yeah, I don't think you get away with soft-defending two of the scummiest people in the game that easily. Now, you all might ask me why it is that I advocate sinani's lynch over sevryn's, when most of the damning evidence actually comes from sevryn and not anything that sinani has done. Well, it's primarily because of two reasons: Why Sinani and not Sevryn? 1. Of all the town reads I have in this game, every single one considers sinani to be scum or very scummy. Most others hold a little more doubt about Sevryn. (and this may be due to DB's inactivity throwing them off, or other reasons as well) 2. I myself hold a tiny bit of doubt about Sevryn because of his scummy town play. Many of the things he said in IRC (such as not reading the thread or Forumite's filters) can be explained by careless town play. However, IMO this doubt will always exist with such a player, so we should not rule out sevryn as scum in the one in a billion chance sinani flips town. Personally I wish we had a double lynch, but we don't, so the best we can do is lynch sinani, IMO. This leaves the question somewhat unanswered of, who is that third scum? IMO it's Forumite, as I explained earlier. Sevryn's behavior regarding the two players would certainly implicate them. On its own, Forumite's play is also incredibly scummy. He's voted supersoft today (wtf?) instead of voting me, his #1 scumread, or any of the other possible lurkers in town. He could've voted sinani (the obvious choice if you're trying to vote a lurker, IMO) or DB, or sevryn, or risk.nuke, or xt. Instead, he voted supersoft, something I really don't understand. So far all of Forumite's reads have been town (he leaned Curu day 1 over Palmar until he got so much attention he flipped) and indeed after Palmar got lynched he tried making me look scummy by saying I defended Palmar when Forumite was doing much more soft defending than me. I had at least made my opinion clear that I found the Palmar lynch weird. Forumite simply kept soft defending Palmar by suspecting Curu more, and just continually dodging Curu's attacks. The hypocrisy in him suspecting me for defending Palmar has not been forgotten. In the wildly unusual (IMO) case that any of these three scum is not, in fact, scum, I would suggest we look at risk.nuke and xt again. I've given xtfftc leeway today, but I expect him to come in before lynch today and establish himself as a townie and give us scum reads. If he can't do that then he should be lynched after sinani and sevryn have been dealt with. I will be back periodically to log dump and whatnot, though I don't think that'll be necessary as I have already dispersed my logs among the townies. I don't believe there is a scum vig so I'm not afraid of dying before the night phase. If there is, though, I assume that you guys will publicize my logs in my stead. You know who you are. without further ado, ##unvote risk.nuke ##vote sinani206 | ||
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Also, where are you getting this idea that super thinks I am scum? Lol God you're terrible at scum dude | ||
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Can we please consolidate votes onto one of sinani/Sevryn? We have 2/2/2 on each of them plus forumite | ||
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Jesus jcarl is not scum you thickhead | ||
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It makes no sense to go for jcarl with 5 hours remaining in the day. Use your head, it doesn't even matter if he's scum, there's no way we can get 7 votes on him in that short amount of time. All of these arguments have been brought up before and they're not valid IMO. besides, why would we lynch him when we have 3 better players to lynch? Sinani, who does nothing then votes DB for no reason, tying himself to Sevryn Sevryn, who does marginally more than nothing but is tied to both sinani and Forumite by way of PM and vote Forumite, who is confirmed to be a liar. So now what gave you the bright idea to split our vote even more when lynch is in less than 5 hours? | ||
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Look at jcarl's play in Resurrection. It is very similar here to how it was there; he was unsure of everything and didn't feel confident in his reads. Jcarl is not scum. He doesn't talk like scum. He's not afraid of giving out reads. He's not afraid to go against the majority lynch. Idk how you actually managed to twist his convo with Mig the way you did, but the way I saw him discuss things with both Incog and with Mig about Incog certainly seemed like a townie trying to get information, As for Sevryn and Sinani neither of them derps THIS hard. Even in MLP when we pushed sinani he was at least responding. Hell this happened in SMG, despite being a total troll he at least posted something. Finally, we are NOT going to get 7 votes on jcarl. This town is too incompetent to be able to consolidate it's votes, we're not about to kill jcarl just because one player thinks he's a better lynch than 3 others. On that note, if jcarl really is scum who is he connected to? There have to be two other scum, it can't just be jcarl. | ||
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Everyone except me would qualify as a scummy lurker at this point to be honest with you. How does your argument not apply to DB, or Nisani, or you? DB doesn't normally lurk this hard. Guess he's scum too right? You're ignoring the mountains of PM evidence I sent you over the last day. Don't throw it into the fire now. | ||
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Is he scum as well? Come on Erandorr you can't really believe this when his meta isn't even consistent.. | ||
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On October 06 2011 03:18 Sevryn wrote: I dont understand. If the case on me uses that im magicly tied to forumite and sinani some how then why dont we lynch them first? LOL cause if we lynch you, then we determine whether they're both scumbuddies with you. If we lynch one of them we don't figure out anything about the other. Plus, people are most comfortable with lynching you. | ||
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On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote: Hey Jcarl. You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly. The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days? Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. I'm going to say a few things, and then not bother with you anymore. You indeed have also found it necessary to mischaracterize my posts as an excuse to ignore me. 1. You claim Mig's judgement was so great, but he failed like everyone else did on Incog. I can't believe you're actually using this as an argument for jcarl being scummy when I was also one of those players who was strongly convinced Incog was not scum. In fact, I look even worse than jcarl in this regard because I didn't publicly post why I thought Incog was town. I kept it to PMs and I waited until the Curu case was posted to say anything at all. At that point Incog shot himself in the foot so I had no choice (like everyone else) but to vote him. 2. You focus on his one liner vote on risk.nuke without realizing that there have been other things going on in PMs that would explain this. You seem to be disregarding a lot of other evidence just to tunnel jcarl with 3 hours left in the day. You haven't yet considered who the other scum might be. You haven't put forth any ideas on this at all! Jcarl can't be the only scum. Even if Jcarl is scum, who are the other two? You refuse to answer this. 3. Mig's opinion is not the only one that matters. Yes, he thought jcarl was scummy. But, Curu thought jcarl was town. + Show Spoiler [Curuskypelog] + [10/3/2011 4:08:07 PM] wherebugsgo: yo did Mig tell you why he thinks Erandor and Kenpachi are town? [10/3/2011 4:08:21 PM] Curu: yes [10/3/2011 4:08:32 PM] wherebugsgo: what role did Erandor claim? [10/3/2011 4:08:46 PM] wherebugsgo: and kenpachi? [10/3/2011 4:08:57 PM] wherebugsgo: like, why are they 90% sure town, I'm not getting this [10/3/2011 4:09:09 PM] Curu: wasn't a claim, something else [10/3/2011 4:09:15 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [10/3/2011 4:09:20 PM] wherebugsgo: well so Erandor is mute right? [10/3/2011 4:18:53 PM] Curu: yes [10/3/2011 4:19:08 PM] Curu: you thinkj they are scummy? [10/3/2011 4:19:22 PM] wherebugsgo: I don't think kenpachi is scummy [10/3/2011 4:19:34 PM] wherebugsgo: Erandor...I question why he would want to say in the thread that I PMed him [10/3/2011 4:19:43 PM] wherebugsgo: when I didn't [10/3/2011 4:19:44 PM] wherebugsgo: that's a lie [10/3/2011 4:19:51 PM] wherebugsgo: I PMed him once like 2 days ago [10/3/2011 4:19:53 PM] wherebugsgo: and he never responded [10/3/2011 4:20:16 PM] Curu: cause he has no reason to tell you who has been pming him [10/3/2011 4:20:24 PM] wherebugsgo: I never asked [10/3/2011 4:20:26 PM] wherebugsgo: who he was PMing [10/3/2011 4:20:27 PM] wherebugsgo: 2 days ago [10/3/2011 4:20:33 PM] wherebugsgo: or at least I don't think that's what i asked him [10/3/2011 4:20:37 PM] wherebugsgo: one sec I'll check what I sent him [10/3/2011 4:20:55 PM] Curu: who the hell is asking these questions? [10/3/2011 4:20:58 PM] Curu: is what you posted in the thread [10/3/2011 4:21:15 PM] wherebugsgo: yes [10/3/2011 4:21:20 PM] wherebugsgo: I did post that [10/3/2011 4:21:22 PM] wherebugsgo: but why would he respond [10/3/2011 4:21:24 PM] wherebugsgo: with "you are"? [10/3/2011 4:21:30 PM] wherebugsgo: he could just ask [10/3/2011 4:21:32 PM] wherebugsgo: why do you want to know [10/3/2011 4:21:33 PM] wherebugsgo: etc [10/3/2011 4:21:42 PM] Curu: well there's no reason to tell anyone anyways [10/3/2011 4:21:53 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [10/3/2011 4:21:57 PM] wherebugsgo: but I'm not asking that now [10/3/2011 4:22:03 PM] Curu: mm [10/3/2011 4:22:03 PM] wherebugsgo: obv Mig was asking the questions [10/3/2011 4:22:11 PM] wherebugsgo: so what makes Erandor town? [10/3/2011 4:22:23 PM] wherebugsgo: or at least, more town than me/super [10/3/2011 4:22:28 PM] Curu: not sharing why Erandorr and Kenpachi are Town [10/3/2011 4:22:37 PM] Curu: I want to believe you are Town, your postinga nd stuff has looked Town [10/3/2011 4:22:48 PM] Curu: but you've pushed like Jackal tnkted me prplhz all awfully [10/3/2011 4:22:55 PM] wherebugsgo: indeed [10/3/2011 4:22:56 PM] wherebugsgo: I've played badly [10/3/2011 4:23:06 PM] wherebugsgo: but it's not like anyone else in the town [10/3/2011 4:23:09 PM] wherebugsgo: has had better reads [10/3/2011 4:23:09 PM] Curu: if NotChez is scum you are almost certainly Town [10/3/2011 4:23:10 PM] Curu: though [10/3/2011 4:23:14 PM] Curu: yeah but I expect better from you [10/3/2011 4:23:18 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [10/3/2011 4:23:20 PM] wherebugsgo: I tried [10/3/2011 4:23:20 PM] Curu: sinani needs a look too [10/3/2011 4:23:22 PM] wherebugsgo: defending Incog [10/3/2011 4:23:26 PM] Curu: he came in right after the day [10/3/2011 4:23:28 PM] wherebugsgo: it didn't help [10/3/2011 4:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: that Incog played as bad as I did [10/3/2011 4:23:33 PM] Curu: to vote incog [10/3/2011 4:23:36 PM] Curu: when he hasnt done shit [10/3/2011 4:23:44 PM] Curu: anytime before or after [10/3/2011 4:23:55 PM] wherebugsgo: right but we could've voted jcarl [10/3/2011 4:23:59 PM] wherebugsgo: for doing the same right? [10/3/2011 4:24:08 PM] Curu: jcarl i have some reasont o believe is Town [10/3/2011 4:24:12 PM] Curu: if he isn't he is playing really good Mafia [10/3/2011 4:24:22 PM] wherebugsgo: so you think NC [10/3/2011 4:24:25 PM] wherebugsgo: and sinani are good choices for mafia? [10/3/2011 4:24:30 PM] wherebugsgo: better than jcarl at least [10/3/2011 4:24:39 PM] wherebugsgo: I agree that NC is very scummy [10/3/2011 4:24:47 PM] wherebugsgo: but I think jcarl deserves a look too [10/3/2011 4:24:51 PM] Curu: yes he does [10/3/2011 4:24:54 PM] Curu: but Incog flipping Town makes jcarl look better [10/3/2011 4:25:03 PM] wherebugsgo: no, not really [10/3/2011 4:25:07 PM] Curu: he had a big debate with Mig about why Incog is scum [10/3/2011 4:25:16 PM] wherebugsgo: in PMs? [10/3/2011 4:25:17 PM] Curu: a scum jcarl I don't think would put that much effort [10/3/2011 4:25:17 PM] Curu: yes [10/3/2011 4:25:25 PM] Curu: he wasn't sold on Incog scum [10/3/2011 4:25:29 PM] Curu: but after a long talk he voted [10/3/2011 4:25:40 PM] Curu: I don't think he would put that effort in if he was scum [10/3/2011 4:25:41 PM] Curu: and Incog Town [10/3/2011 4:25:50 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [10/3/2011 4:25:56 PM] wherebugsgo: and what about Nisani? [10/3/2011 4:26:13 PM] Curu: Nisani didn't derpvote me he saw that the case was bad [10/3/2011 4:26:18 PM] Curu: he has the most reason out of anyone bsides sinani [10/3/2011 4:26:24 PM] Curu: to get away with easy retard votes on me [10/3/2011 4:26:29 PM] wherebugsgo: right [10/3/2011 4:26:34 PM] wherebugsgo: okay so if you think jcarl is town [10/3/2011 4:26:46 PM] wherebugsgo: who is that third guy [10/3/2011 4:26:47 PM] wherebugsgo: you think? [10/3/2011 4:27:02 PM] Curu: third scum? [10/3/2011 4:27:03 PM] wherebugsgo: we have NC/sinani more scummy than jcarl and whoever [10/3/2011 4:27:04 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah [10/3/2011 4:27:22 PM] Curu: I would say between Forumite/sinani/Sevyrn [10/3/2011 4:27:31 PM] Curu: maybe DB but he said he was replacing and came to talk to me before [10/3/2011 4:27:34 PM] Curu: dumping his reads on me Curu's top 3 were NC, sinani, and one of Forumite/sevryn. He said NC and sinani were more scummy than jcarl, with Curu leaning town on jcarl. Mig never justified why he thought jcarl was scum. Curu did, and honestly I have to agree with a justifiable opinion than one that's just the opinion on a player. I am not saying Mig's opinion is invalid, but I'm saying that we need to consider the evidence. If anyone is wondering what this Mig/jcarl PM exchange about incog is about, look at this: + Show Spoiler [jcarlmig] + Original Message From Mig: Yep I agree also, after jackal and forumite aimed at him he immediately added me on skype and gave me all his reads because he thought he was going to die. It was an extremely townie reaction. So I think WBG is just playing really really poorly as town this game. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original Message From jcarlsoniv: I think it is unlikely that WBG is scum. The way he has been playing this game is very reminiscent of how he had played in LOTR and Resurrection, both of which he was town in. I'm going to skim through Incog's posts in PYP insane. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original Message From Mig: I think there is at least some chance that Incognito manipulated WBG and NC into going along with him. But overall I think it is more likely that NC and him are both mafia and if Incognito is somehow town I think NC is virtually guaranteed mafia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original Message From jcarlsoniv: That's probably why it seems so easy then. Because you definitely have a good case going here. I think my biggest fall back right now is that I don't have the history with people that a lot of you players have. I will have to look into PYP insane, but I believe you. What do you think the chances of NC and Incog both being scum are? Like, if Incog flips either way, how does that make NC look? I think if Incog flips scum, it's very likely that NC is scum. But you said that you think at least one of them is. So even if Incog flips town, you think NC could be scum? With this vig business...that's interesting. That makes it seem that Incog tried to get Curu killed, and then when it didn't work, he needed to have Curu pushed. But you're right. Looking back, the push was more successful than I had realized. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original Message From Mig: Here is what I sent forumite earlier today. Incognito is not on the level in anyway. He is one of the very best players on TL, day1 he soft defended palmar refusing to vote him and targeted prpl asking vigis to shoot prpl. I told him repeatedly that prpl was probably town but he refused to listen. Day 2 he is attacking Curu and trying to murder the guy who killed a pyro yesterday...... This isn't just bad play this is sooooooooooooo bad. It is like you can always tell when I am mafia because I am doing dumb things and not catching scum and I am always wrong. The exact same thing is true here. Incognito is too good to be playing this bad. And Incognito was on aim all of last night. But did he comment at all once I appeared to defend curu? Nope. He is active lurking and purposefully not commenting on the situation at hand so he doesn't take any heat. What he did was set it up so WBG and NC posted the big case against curu and he just goes yep I agree. So after curu flipped town guess who gets in trouble? Those 2 not him. Like did you see scamp's post he mainly called out NC not incognito for this. Incognito is masterminding the entire thing from the background. He has not contributed whatsoever compared to his normal play. Seriously go read pick your power insane where as a townie he was insanely helpful and caught half the scum team by himself!. But now he is trying to lynch Curu? Just doesn't add up. This game every single thing he does is wrong and he is trying to manipulate the town. Do not let him! There is some chance that WBG is mafia but if so he is just following what Incognito or NC are telling him, and I believe much much more likely they are manipulating him and setting him up to take the fall after Curu flips town! At least one if incognito/NC is scum I guarantee it. Do not let them escape their deaths! So I told DB these thing along with I found out that incognito asked someone he thinks is a vig to shoot curu about 6 hours before the 3 headed dragon case was ever presented. So I believe Incognito is the one who pushed for Curu's death the hardest behind the scenes. Yet he let NC and WBG take all the heat by actually posting their cases and responding when I called them out. Incog just sits in the back silent. Honestly I cannot believe that Incog as town is bad enough to want curu dead this badly when he is very very likely town. Along with that I know for sure Incog has been active pming lots of people right. But what does he have to show for it? This curu case is the best he could come up with really? He has given the town absolutely nothing. Read his playing in Pick Your Power Insane his posts are on a completely different level. He was incredibly helpful and aggressive in finding scum. Here he is totally useless and if you read his posts early on day1 they are incredibly bad. Complaining about the thread but never doing anything to fix it. Complaining that there is too much of a split between euros/americans so he cant organize a good lynch. Promising to provide his thoughts later and never doing so. Is there a chance incog is town? Yes I won't claim to know 100%. But I fully believe that curu lynch attempt was mafia driven and bs, I see no motivation for good townies to ever push for his lynch, which is why it was so easy for me to find tons of holes in it. Which means if I am correct either NC or Incog must be mafia (possibly both). The case against Incognito is about 100x as strong as the case against anyone else right now. And day1 there was almost no resistance to the palmar lynch right so why are you considered about that? And there has been resistance. The curu lynch was a huuuuge gambit. Look how much effort they put into manufacturing that analysis. And they were well on their way to starting a bandwagon. The voting was 5-4 until I appeared and actually talked some common sense into people. So there was definitely a solid attempt to divert the lynch away from Incognito. And if it looks too easy I have answered a lot of people who have pmd me questions which convinced many to switch to him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Original Message From jcarlsoniv: What did you tell DropBear to make him want to vote Incog? I still have a hard time believing that this would be Incog's scum play, although, as many have pointed out, it doesn't look like his town play either. It just seems like too easy of a lynch. There isn't much contention other than NC's case on Curu, which you promptly tore apart. All that those accusations did for me was put some doubt that Curu is town, but it wasn't nearly enough to make me think scum. I feel stuck because right now, I don't want to vote Incog, but it feels like I have no other choices. | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:16 Erandorr wrote: Oh no , I am completely open minded. THe thing is though that you have unfortunately not given me anything that I would consider enough to change my mind I am afraid. So being active for you means talking to three people? The rest are all dead after all. Why not try to talk to risk.nuke, if you think he is scum? Or Sevryn? They are lurking pretty bad after all. If you are convinced of them being scum, shouldnt you try to get as much information out of them as possible? Please give me another reason for that other than you are scum and do not need to talk to them and know their alignment anyways. neither risk.nuke nor sevryn have been on very often at all. In fact I am the only player left alive who has talked to risk.nuke. As for sevryn he's almost never on, so you can't blame jcarl for not having talked to sevryn. I don't believe I've ever seen them on at the same time. Any of these arguments (why haven't you tried PMing player x?) can be used for a variety of players in the game atm. AFAIK the only player who is going out and PMing others is me. Everyone else seems to be content with sitting around and letting other people do the work for them. I've encouraged the players I've talked to to go out and talk to others but I can't say that's actually happened. No use accusing jcarl on this. | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:53 Forumite wrote: If Sevryn dies to a snipershot now, then several people will get modkilled for not voting. Who is your secondary target? wtf? no they won't. If they do then I will personally never join another Kurumi game ever again. You can choose not to shoot sevryn too. No matter what you do we'll be lynching you tomorrow anyway. | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:59 Forumite wrote: We´ll take that tomorrow, today Sevryn dies to a lynch, not to me. And you will be dead tomorrow. Good for us. | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:27 Forumite wrote: WBG, you are a moron. If you don´t trust Erandorr, then send me a multioption PM and I´ll claim to you. lol I'm the moron no thanks, I don't need you to claim to me. | ||
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THIS SHOT CANNOT BE CANCELED IF HE'S ACTUALLY A SNIPER Our alternatives are Forumite/sinani. If anyone can give me a good reason why we should keep Forumite please post it. If you can provide a good reason I am for switching to sinani, but I will consider no other players. | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:37 Erandorr wrote: No. Sev will not die earlier, so if you do not agree about jcarl we lynch sev. Okay? Also that you did not even ask for Forumites claim is baffling. I honestly cannot explain the way you are playing. Give him some options and understand what this is about , okay? As in, he's not sniper. LOL Dude, we could've established him not being sniper days ago by him simply aiming someone in the thread. Instead, we've waited until now to establish it and he's among the scummiest players left in the game. If he is the sniper, sevryn will die half an hour before lynch. If he's not, then he won't, but we can pick to lynch forumite or sevryn for the last half hour. Personally I think both should die. On October 06 2011 05:38 Forumite wrote: Erandorr is vouching for me, do you need anything more? The shot on Sevryn will fizzle, because I´m not a Sniper, now why are you not voting Sevryn right now? I don't need anything from you. You have done nothing all game to establish that you are town, you could claim ruler of the universe now and I wouldn't care. | ||
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On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote: I am not as sure as I was about NC being scum once Incognito flipped town. Since town was dead set on killing Incognito why did he organize and put so much effort into lynching Curu? Seems weird. But then again I don't really understand why he trusted Incognito so fully, the Curu push like I have said was just completely awful , and he has completely disappeared for the last 40 hours. So meh he could be scum still but I definitely am not as certain as I was before. Here are my reads for everyone People I am very sure are town Curu Erandorr kenpachi Likely town supersoft wbg Unsure Forumite nisani risk.nuke sinani Scamp Scummy NC DropBear Sevryn Jcarl The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum. For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list. Mig thought jcarl was scummy but he thought DB was too. You can pick 3 guys out of any of those bottom 6 basically (bar scamp cause he died) Curu thought jcarl was town and DB was town, but sevryn scummy. Mig and Curu agreed that sevryn was scummy. They disagreed on both DB and jcarl. So now where do you get the idea that jcarl is a better lynch than either Forumite/sevryn? | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:52 Erandorr wrote: When? Forumite was scummy but mig told me he is confirmed town the night he died in case he does not survive. Curu asked me about it and I answered him the next day, so I doubt he would do that. omfg I posted the log for you earlier. I even PMed it to you. You clearly aren't reading what I'm saying. | ||
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On October 06 2011 05:58 Forumite wrote: So do yours. Why did you push for me to shoot if you knew I wasn´t a Sniper? his actions are not scummy. You on the other hand have done nothing townish at all. Literally, I can't think of one thing that you've done that has actually benefited us. | ||
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He has not even played like a vet. Everything he's done could have been done by a mafia. No mafia would ever shoot someone who has no proper reads, is a complete detriment to town, and is thought to be scummy by over half of the living players in the game. I can't believe you actually think that's a believable claim. If it is actually true, it's one of the worst town plays I've seen. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:04 Forumite wrote: I claimed Sniper in the thread, because I was LYING TO SCUM! I was trying to draw hits, and you ruined it. Erandorr told you not to push this, it was YOU who messed it all up, for no reason at all. Pushing for me to shoot was extremely Pro-Scum. This is bullshit. Don't blame someone else for pointing out your scumminess when YOU don't know how to play your OWN role. If you were a vet why wouldn't you act like a townie and try to get shot? Instead you do things that could be interpreted from a dumb town/scum angle and you do stupid shit like FoS me, tnkted, super, etc. You haven't had a real scumread all game and now you blame him for "blowing your cover?" Good god you're bad. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:06 Erandorr wrote: Sooooo. How about we lynch Jcarl now ? Yes? YES! no, fuck no. Kill sevryn. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:14 Forumite wrote: Oh please, you just needed to listen to Erandorr and/or ask me to claim in a PM, and you´d have known what I was up to, or you know, you could have just trusted Erandorr at his word. All you needed to do was back off. I have a hard time trusting Erandorr when he is pushing jcarl less than an hour to lynch. Really, how can you not see how anti town your play this game has been? Do you not realize how scummy you appear? If you're really a vet how can you expect to be shot when you make a perfect lynch candidate for 80% of the town? | ||
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You can role claim whatever you want, that doesn't change the fact that your play has been extremely anti-town for the majority of today. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:19 Forumite wrote: Playing my role means I needed to lie, tough, it´s your own fault for now knowing when to back off. False, townies never need to lie. Your fault for not knowing how to play as a good townie. Good townies will get shot. Why do you think Mig got shot? Cause he lied, I guess? If you're really town, you make me mad. Seriously. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:23 Forumite wrote: Townies lie if they are trying a gamble, this was a gamble. Now stop tunneling and kill Sevryn. They don't lie repeatedly and then do NOTHING for town. Seriously you've had no good scumreads, you've refused to post opinions, you've done NOTHING. It was a fucking terrible gamble seeing as it wasn't even thought out and you had no town cred at all. You still don't, actually. A veteran's job is to get town cred and become a mafia target, not lie and become scummy enough to get lynched. You did the exact opposite of what was expected of you, no matter what your role as town is. This is why I don't give a shit what your role is, you're scummy no matter what. | ||
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On October 06 2011 06:29 Forumite wrote: As a Mute, there wasn´t much I could do to organize Town, and any reads, red or blue, would be obvious to everyone. Being Mute I could at least pretend to be the Sniper, that´s how I would help Town, by taking a shot meant for a Sniper. I have nothing more to say on this honestly. My vote is on sevryn and it's not moving. Let's lynch sinani tomorrow. | ||
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okay this game is officially interesting/fun again I am very sorry to all for raging so hard earlier. It's just a game and I shouldn't be getting that mad. | ||
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okay so when he flips, if he's town we have: sinani jcarl sevryn risk.nuke as potentials. | ||
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I'll consider jcarl/sevryn too. We need to keep an eye on risk as well. | ||
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On October 06 2011 10:02 sinani206 wrote: w8 wut y we lynch dat bro yeah we should've lynched you or sevryn. BTW guys I assume we have no real power roles. If xt flips town we should kill sinani and sevryn and then basically it boils down to whoever we have left. At this moment in time I don't really know what to say about the jcarl situation (I still lean town) but I can't see sinani and sevryn being anything other than scum right now. It just doesn't make sense (and also I don't remember how we glossed over sevryn at the time of lynch) | ||
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It's my fault for not pushing sinani/Sevryn as originally planned, but if I was scum you really think I would put that much effort into all of these things I've done? How can both jcarl and I be scum? We faked several hour-long conversations? I realize my play hasn't been good, but that doesn't make me scum. We're all responsible for the shit that happened yesterday, and I'm willing to take the majority of the blame, but lynching me over that (if I live) would lose us the game. | ||
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Super's done some pretty scummy stuff himself but he's not getting any attention. At this rte though the best lynch tomorrow is sinani. | ||
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Sevryn for sure, when I get on a comp I'll gather my thoughts on this. | ||
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Totally makes sense, dude. | ||
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That's why I PMed you. I can't really say anything other than the fact that my play is not consistent with being scum. Yes, I know I haven't had the best reads this game, and for whatever reason people are expecting me to play better (and yes, I admit, I have played badly.) I've gone on tilt several times this game already and I think that was part of my mistake. Every time I did it I destroyed whatever remained of my ability to reason. Anyway, tomorrow you guys can decide whether you'd like to win or not. I realize I haven't been much use to you all (and I'll take the responsibility for xt's mislynch) but if you lynch me you'll be down another townie and it's not like that'll help you at all. | ||
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On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote: Here are my reads for everyone People I am very sure are town kenpachi Likely town supersoft wbg Unsure Forumite nisani risk.nuke Scamp Scummy DropBear Sevryn The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum. For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list. Alright, so let me put this out there before I go to sleep: I doubted Mig's reads earlier in the game because I felt like he didn't consider the merits of Incog/NC being town more. He doubted mine because I pushed Forumite as scum, threw doubts on the lynch of Palmar and took part in the Curu case. Mig is a better player than I am. If you look at this list, it's clear he knew what he was talking about. After yesterday the only thing on this list that has been established as wrong is NC being town. I admit that I didn't take his efforts seriously enough until today, when jcarl flipped scum. I was wrong about jcarl and that's my own fault. We should consider the information he provided us (and also go through Erandorr's posts to see if he'd breadcrumbed anything). The bottom four on that list should be our focus. Those four are basically nisani, risk.nuke, DropBear, and sevryn. ATM I'm unsure on DropBear because he appeared townie to me yesterday (and keeps saying he's looking for a replacement) but he's done nothing but tunnel Sevryn all game. It's kinda unsettling. Risk.nuke I feel could swing either way as well. Nisani is the most likely to be town out of these four. Sevryn I'm sure is scum. Finally, on the log situation: I did not fake those logs, and by all means I genuinely believed jcarl was town. He played very similarly (IMO) to how he played in resurrection. I wasn't really around for much of LoTR so I couldn't comment on his play there, but it's clear now that Erandorr probably checked jcarl and that's why he was so adamant about pushing his lynch. I've never seen jcarl play scum and by all means he was never on my radar. My fault for not considering all the possibilities. These are the logs I have of my conversations with jcarl. I am missing the first log I had with jcarl because my browser crashed. I had 3 conversations total with him, all yesterday. These are the last two. I'll recheck my inbox to see if I have anything else that would be useful. + Show Spoiler [jcarllog1] + Original Message From wherebugsgo: [16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight [16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right? [16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of? [16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe [16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu [16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig? [16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about [16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good [16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol [16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players [16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig [16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion [16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about [16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke? [16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no [16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want [16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz [16:48] <wherebugsgo> also [16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn [16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either [16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o [16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes [16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently [16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind [16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much [16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game [16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ? [16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack [16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol [16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO [16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite [16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani [16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that [16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now [16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk [16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips [16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him? [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration [16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly [16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game [16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him? [16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol [16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell [16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying [16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes [16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is [16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL [16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha [16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway [16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum [16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two [16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather [16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol [16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe [16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh [16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question [16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro? [16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it [16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~ [16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you? [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah [16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately [16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol [16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think [16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT [16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool [16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man [16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better [16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town [16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus [16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game [16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol [16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it [16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him? [16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently [16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha [16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game [16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl [16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think [16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD [16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit [16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection [16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup [16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game [16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with [16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL [16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly [16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't [16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch [16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it [16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that [16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol [16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track [16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong [16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl [16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch [17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him? [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone? [17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog [17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD [17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch [17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu" [17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over [17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements [17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha [17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better [17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar [17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum [17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died [17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro [17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway [17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled [17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o [17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it. [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that [17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl [17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright [17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum? [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town [17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like [17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town" [17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely [17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps? [17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really? [17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours? [17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it? [17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had [17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25 [17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that? [17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything? [17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed [17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype [17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns [17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged [17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps [17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice [17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond [17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10 [17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol [17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything [17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing [17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type [17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all [17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it [17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying [17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly [17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why [17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi [17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying [17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit [17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that [17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though? [17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason [17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol [17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah [17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones [17:11] <wherebugsgo> right [17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions [17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite [17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird [17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log [17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb [17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it [17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep [17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani [17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?" [17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol [17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today [17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today [17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him [17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks [17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war [17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him [17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too [17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot [17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia [17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row [17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps [17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way [17:19] <wherebugsgo> well [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs [17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol [17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes [17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game [17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps [17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah [17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also [17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null??? [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry* [17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts [17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed [17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry [17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum [17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge [17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =( [17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps [17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit [17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you [17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right [17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered [17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme [17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah [17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls [17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread [17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll [17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team [17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl [17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol [17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one? [17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted [17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict [17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit [17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now [17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us [17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol [17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha [17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e [17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like [17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD [17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear [17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had [17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up [17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not [17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town [17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action [17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town [17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four [17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt [17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not? [17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk [17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be [17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display [17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head [17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani [17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on [17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town [17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier [17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k [17:26] <wherebugsgo> like [17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion [17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads [17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh? [17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest [17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours [17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically [17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway [17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb [17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks [17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree [17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol [17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it [17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him [17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again [17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh [17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though [17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get [17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn [17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat [17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be [17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room [17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol [17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread [17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends [17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that [17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies [17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch [17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless [17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that [17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago [17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi? [17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh [17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol [17:33] <wherebugsgo> well [17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice [17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection [17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh [17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs [17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him [17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually [17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you [17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all [17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally [17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town [17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man [17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM [17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL [17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so [17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do [17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet [17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit [17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai [17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way [17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc [17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will [17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok [17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf [17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet" [17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing [17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets [17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak [17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf [17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything [17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try [17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp [17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol + Show Spoiler [jcarllog2] + Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org [17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn | ||
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Jcarl deciding Sevryn is not scum (I did not mention to him that I still thought sevryn was scum). He also never provided reasoning as to why he said this. + Show Spoiler [jcarl] + + Show Spoiler [day2PMs] + Original Message From jcarlsoniv: I'm not sure what to think about NC. It's possible that he's scum, but what you just posted I agree with: it's an easy lynch. He says he's disappearing for 24 hours though, so I guess we won't get any more reads on him. risk.nuke is suspect. Also suspicious of Forumite and Sevyrn. I'm in IRC right now, btw Jcarl asked me a question following my case post. This was the exchange: + Show Spoiler + Original Message From jcarlsoniv: Hah alright. I think supersoft is onto something here. I don't see a reason forumite wouldn't want to shoot sev unless they were both scum. He's hesitating too much to look town right now. I'm gonna chime in the thread once I'm done with class. Following is the first PM exchange I had with jcarl all game. + Show Spoiler [firstPMto/fromjcarl] + Original Message From jcarlsoniv: As much as everyone thinks Incog is scum, there's still a tiny doubt in my mind. I posted it in the thread and I'll say it again: If he's as good as everyone says he is, wouldn't he know what ordering a kill on prpl would imply? I easily could be wrong (you know my scum hunting capabilities =P), but that doesn't change the little doubt that's sitting in my mind. I'm fairly confident that you are town. You are playing just as you have the last two games I played with you. Although you were wrong about Jackal, I think that's just because there's something between you two that keeps creating a screaming match haha. Forumite seems extremely scummy to me. The whole "fake claiming sniper" thing doesn't sit right. He's being very meh, town-wise. Your reads? (aside from incog) | ||
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On October 08 2011 14:10 Sevryn wrote: I dont understand the case on me. I know I have been unactive and I apologize for that.but you say your sure im scum in the middle and then you really think i am scum. which is it? are you sure or do you just really think im scum? You vote for me and only have two lines in your entire post? a vote post thats 99% defensive seems kinda odd. also your whole defense here + Show Spoiler + On October 08 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I had a feeling you thought I was scum. That's why I PMed you. I can't really say anything other than the fact that my play is not consistent with being scum. Yes, I know I haven't had the best reads this game, and for whatever reason people are expecting me to play better (and yes, I admit, I have played badly.) I've gone on tilt several times this game already and I think that was part of my mistake. Every time I did it I destroyed whatever remained of my ability to reason. Anyway, tomorrow you guys can decide whether you'd like to win or not. I realize I haven't been much use to you all (and I'll take the responsibility for xt's mislynch) but if you lynch me you'll be down another townie and it's not like that'll help you at all. is basically you saying dont lynch me guiz im town sorry about my bad play ##vote wherebugsgo I'm defending myself therefore I'm scum lol. Dude Sevryn if any other player were to play like you, they'd get insta lynched. But because you've made a name for yourself for being scummy as town, I have uncertainty about you. That's why it sucks. I can't say I'm for certain you're mafia, since you always play like this. But, the problem is that there are two scum and you've been scummy to everyone all game. | ||
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On October 08 2011 15:01 Sevryn wrote: its not that your defending yourself that makes you scum its that if you take out all of your defenses your entire post is I'm sure sevryn is scum I really think sevryn is scum then you vote for me thats your entire vote post regarding me what kind of vote post is that Are you fucking kidding? You do nothing all game and then call me out on this rofl | ||
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I can provide those logs if necessary, I'll add them when I'm on a computer. | ||
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The fact that I thought he was playing similar to how he played in resurrection. His exchange he had with Mig about Incog, particularly as Curu had pointed this out to me when I thought jcarl was scummy on day 3 (the day after Mig died and the day Curu was modkilled) and Curu had suggested to me that this made him less scummy (I agreed) The way he talked to me in PMs and was willing to discuss possibilities/share information. The one thing that was strange to me was why jcarl suddenly had a change of heart about Sevryn. He said he thought Sevryn was townie when Sevryn had done nothing between when jcarl talked tome and when he changed his opinion. That makes me wary of Sevryn even more. | ||
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On October 09 2011 04:55 Forumite wrote: Apart from Sevryn, what are your reads? DB? Supers? At this point I just want Sevryn to flip. I'll try to PM people and see who might be scum. Kenpachi and super are probably town, and I'm going to work on the assumption that you are as well.. Nisani/DB/risk could be either IMO but I'm leaning town on DB. | ||
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On October 09 2011 09:41 Sevryn wrote: really poor vote for me aswell. whats the case against me? that ive been inactive? that ive acted scummy? tell me why you think im scummy. if its based purely because of inactivity there are people who have been more inactive than me namely dropbear. and I think WBG has been scummier what with his misread after misread. I am a drunk demoman why would i be worried about dieing? only scum and blues are worried about dieing because when scum die town gains more information about their team thats why when scum know they are dieing they stop talking. If i get lynched who else do you think is scummy? You're not worried about dying because you've served no purpose this game. You literally offer nothing to town. | ||
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You, on the other hand, don't scumhunt, therefore you have no misreads. Pretty convenient to be scum in your position, eh? | ||
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@risk, I did post plenty of evidence as to why Sevryn is scum. I did it yesterday, no real need to repost it all. If you want a TL;DR it's basically: Sevryn has no fear of dying He has contributed 0. Literally nothing. He seems to have no intention of contributing anything, other than accusing me obviously He is never around at critical times. Lastly, for the second scum it's possibly Nisani. I'm fairly certain Sevryn will flip scum but even in the chance that he doesn't, town still has a good chance. In fact, it might evenbe easier because there'd be 6 players and 2 scum. DB IMO is town. Kenpachi is town. Forumite is town. Super is probable town. Risk I can't get a real read because he's new but he could very well be scum. Nisani could be scum. That's all I have. I realize I could be wrong again but we'll see how it goes. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [nisanilog] + [18:31] <Nisani201> what do you want [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> okay so [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> there's 12 players left [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I'm making a spreadsheet [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I need your opinion on every player left alive [18:31] <wherebugsgo___> I talked with risk.nuke earlier btw I can send you logs if you want [18:31] <Nisani201> wat? [18:31] <Nisani201> uhhhok [18:32] <wherebugsgo___> sinani206 risk.nuke jcarlsoniv wherebugsgo Nisani201 Erandorr NotChezinu/xtfftc Kenpachi DropBear Forumite supersoft Sevryn [18:33] <wherebugsgo___> those are the players [18:33] <Nisani201> hmmm [18:33] <Nisani201> so [18:33] <Nisani201> sinani206, kenpachi, dropbear, supersoft, are all pretty much the same [18:33] <Nisani201> just label them "lurkers" [18:33] <Nisani201> or something [18:34] <Nisani201> i like the case against risk.nuke [18:34] <Nisani201> so he is possibly scum [18:34] <Nisani201> jcarl is also possibly scum [18:34] <Nisani201> WHEREBUGSGO is probably town [18:34] <Nisani201> nisani201 is obvious townie [18:34] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:34] <wherebugsgo___> oh btw why is jcarl scum [18:35] <Nisani201> jcarl seems to be hooking on the "easy lynches" [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:35] <Nisani201> and not really posting much [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> ok [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> well [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> what if I told you [18:35] <Nisani201> i explained it in other pms [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> he had a big discussion with Mig [18:35] <wherebugsgo___> over why Incog is not scum? [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I saw the logs between them [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and I've been talking to jcarl [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> I really doubt he's scum [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> and if he is he's playing a baller scum game (something Curu said to me as well) [18:36] <Nisani201> didn't he defend incog in-thread as well? [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he defended incog in thread [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> but after Mig convinced him really late in the day [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> he voted incog [18:36] <Nisani201> ok, maybe not "probable scum," but still possible [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:36] <Nisani201> you make a good point [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> you should talk to him [18:36] <wherebugsgo___> because atm [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the confirmed townies [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> or at least [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies [18:37] <Nisani201> are dead? [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I was just gonna say [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> the very likely townies atm [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> aren't aware of each other [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi just FoSed two of my strongest townreads [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> super and jcarl [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> and the problem is I think kenpachi is sure town too [18:37] <wherebugsgo___> we have 6 guys who are absolutely useless [18:38] <Nisani201> i still don't understand why kenpachi is so confirmed townish [18:38] <Nisani201> why is super a townread? he barely posts [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I don't know the reason for kenpachi being town [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> because Mig and Curu did not tell me [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> but they both told me their conclusions [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> that kenpachi is 90+ town [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> also [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> sinani and sevryn are linked [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> look in the thread [18:39] <wherebugsgo___> I believe scumteam is sinani/sev/Forumite [18:41] <Nisani201> interesting [18:42] <wherebugsgo___> anywya [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> you know that sev/DB have been trading tunneling right? [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> it either means they're both town or one is scum [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> no way they both are [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> now sinani posts a vote on DB [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> without doing anything all day [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> ties himself to sev basically [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I talked to sevryn earlier [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> and he completely glossed over both forumite and sinani [18:43] <wherebugsgo___> I asked him straight up, what do you think of sinani and Forumite? [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> he said, "sinani is playing? wtf?" and no opinion [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> and later when I pushed it he said he has a null read on Forumite [18:44] <Nisani201> you had to push the questions? was he dodging you? [18:44] <wherebugsgo___> yes [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> I'll send you the log [18:45] <Nisani201> can you put it in a pastebin or something [18:45] <Nisani201> and not copypaste the whole thing into irc [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> it's in PM [18:45] <wherebugsgo___> look in your inbox [18:47] <Nisani201> ok [18:48] <Nisani201> ok i jsut posted in the thread, gonna do some homework now [18:48] <Nisani201> anything else? [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay so you think jcarl is scum and risk.nuke [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> #3? [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> forumite/sev/sinani? [18:49] <Nisani201> hmmmmmm [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> and then who all is town [18:49] <Nisani201> i would say sinani is most scummy out of those [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> who all are null [18:49] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:50] <Nisani201> forumite and sevyrn are null [18:50] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:50] <wherebugsgo___> DB? [18:51] <Nisani201> dropbear is in the lurker list, so as with all lurkers I'm leaning scum on him [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> ok [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> so your town reads=super me erandorr [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> what is xt [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> scummy? [18:51] <Nisani201> I dunno, i just unvoted him [18:51] <wherebugsgo___> null then [18:52] <Nisani201> yeah [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi [18:52] <Nisani201> kenpachi is also lurker list, same as dropbear [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> so you have four townies (yourself me errandor super) right? [18:52] <Nisani201> i'll probably look over xfftc [18:52] <Nisani201> to get a real read [18:52] <wherebugsgo___> then four nulls (kenpachi xt sev forumite) [18:52] <Nisani201> yeah [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> then three scummies (DB jcarl sinani) [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> and one scum (risk nuke) [18:53] <Nisani201> risk nuke is more scummy than db imo [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> yeah I listed that [18:53] <wherebugsgo___> you think DB is a null instead? [18:53] <Nisani201> oh i see [18:53] <Nisani201> nvmd [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> kk [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I got it good? [18:54] <Nisani201> db is null but leaning scum [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> okay [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> but jcarl is worse? [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> or better [18:54] <Nisani201> jcarl is worse [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> k [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> cool ty nisani [18:54] <wherebugsgo___> I'll PM you a link to the spreadsheet soon [18:54] <Nisani201> awesome [18:54] <Nisani201> thanks [18:54] <Nisani201> gl hf He's rather slow in providing his opinions. I clarified a lot and I was in a scramble to get information at this time, so I worked on the assumption that Nisani was town and was in a hurry to go somewhere. Looking at it now it's rather strange because Nisani doesn't provide much information to me at all. He says jcarl is probable scum but sevryn is null. He provides no real reasons for the reads he has on players. What struck me particularly odd is that he lumped lurkers into scum, but sevryn (who is /was a lurker) was null. + Show Spoiler [risknukelog] + [12:21:26 PM] wherebugsgo: hey [12:21:30 PM] wherebugsgo: you have time to discuss? [1:03:47 PM] risk.nuke: yeah [1:04:03 PM] wherebugsgo: cool cool [1:04:08 PM] wherebugsgo: what are your scumreads right now? [1:09:23 PM] risk.nuke: Honestly, I feel like I don't have a clue anymore, everyone seems suspicious but none suspicious enough to warrant a lynch [1:10:56 PM] risk.nuke: I have been really swamped and just got back, I'm currently having a look on dropbear [1:11:11 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:11:18 PM] wherebugsgo: have you PMed anyone at all this game so far? [1:12:17 PM] risk.nuke: This is my first game, At first I didn't really get what do do with the pm function what to look for etc, I basicly only trusted Mig [1:13:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:13:19 PM] wherebugsgo: do you have your logs with Mig? [1:14:03 PM] risk.nuke: There are no logs, I don't think he trusted me [1:15:11 PM] risk.nuke: I haven't discussed the game with anyone privately [1:15:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so you trusted Mig but never PMed him? [1:15:53 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, is that scummy? [1:16:08 PM] wherebugsgo: I dunno, you tell me [1:16:16 PM] wherebugsgo: so you haven't received nor sent any PMs so far in this game? [1:16:20 PM] wherebugsgo: besides mine obviously [1:17:01 PM] risk.nuke: You and tnktd [1:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: that's it? Incog never sent you anything? [1:17:24 PM] risk.nuke: Got nothing from incog [1:17:26 PM] wherebugsgo: Curu never sent you anything? [1:17:31 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:17:33 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:17:34 PM] risk.nuke: only dropbear [1:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you just said [1:17:48 PM] wherebugsgo: only me and tnkted messaged you [1:17:54 PM] risk.nuke: no i messeged you [1:18:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay I'm talking [1:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: about any sort of PM, received or sent [1:18:17 PM] wherebugsgo: which players does this encompass? [1:18:50 PM] risk.nuke: You tnktd Mig Palmar dropbear [1:19:03 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:19:07 PM] wherebugsgo: can you PM all your logs? [1:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: to me [1:19:27 PM] risk.nuke: sorry? [1:19:33 PM] wherebugsgo: send me all the PMs you've received/sent [1:19:35 PM] wherebugsgo: to all these players [1:19:37 PM] wherebugsgo: to my inbox [1:19:39 PM] wherebugsgo: on TL [1:19:52 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:19:54 PM] risk.nuke: in order? [1:20:04 PM] wherebugsgo: that'd be nice but it isn't super important [1:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: did Palmar respond to you? [1:23:39 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:26:31 PM] risk.nuke: that should be all of them [1:26:56 PM] wherebugsgo: okay, cool, thanks. [1:27:05 PM] wherebugsgo: have you had time to read through the thread [1:27:06 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [1:27:42 PM] risk.nuke: I'll do it noq [1:29:01 PM] risk.nuke: btw, do you get what this means? "Scamp the Mute Awkward Cow died to Liberty Launcher." [1:29:39 PM] wherebugsgo: no, I think it's just a kill flavor [1:29:53 PM] wherebugsgo: mafia killed Scamp last night and I don't think any of the rest of the flavor has any relevance to the game [1:31:22 PM] risk.nuke: Can they kill more then 1 person a night without pyro? And wth is a mute awkward cow, i don't get it, is that a role? [1:31:40 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah so basically mafia has a KP of n/2 [1:31:41 PM] wherebugsgo: rounded up [1:31:49 PM] wherebugsgo: where n=number of mafia left alive [1:32:00 PM] wherebugsgo: so if mafia has 3 members n/2 is 1.5 and round up = 2 [1:32:03 PM] wherebugsgo: so they get two kills [1:32:10 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:32:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if we kill a mafia today with the lynch that number drops to n=2 and 2/2=1 [1:32:37 PM] wherebugsgo: a mute awkward cow is the flavor for a townie that can't PM in this game [1:32:41 PM] wherebugsgo: but appears red to DT checks [1:33:04 PM] risk.nuke: flavor? [1:33:12 PM] wherebugsgo: flavor is just like [1:33:14 PM] wherebugsgo: description [1:33:22 PM] wherebugsgo: or theme [1:33:27 PM] wherebugsgo: it has nothing to do with the actual game itself [1:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:33:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you could call it anything you want [1:33:44 PM] wherebugsgo: in most normal games "mute awkward cow" would be "mute town miller" [1:33:57 PM] wherebugsgo: and "mute drunk demo man" would be "mute vanilla town" [1:34:59 PM] risk.nuke: Okey, [1:35:33 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway [1:36:29 PM] wherebugsgo: do you believe that I am town? [1:36:42 PM] risk.nuke: Taking a leap of faith [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled [1:38:50 PM] risk.nuke: I had to do something, If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it. [1:39:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:39:28 PM] wherebugsgo: so I am town, indeed [1:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: and I've confirmed myself via PM to others in the town atm [1:39:42 PM] wherebugsgo: but currently I'm pushing you in the thread. [1:39:46 PM] wherebugsgo: why should we not lynch you? [1:40:03 PM] risk.nuke: Because I'm town [1:40:27 PM] wherebugsgo: what's your role? [1:40:58 PM] risk.nuke: Drunk demoman [1:44:16 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:44:22 PM] wherebugsgo: so why is it [1:44:23 PM] wherebugsgo: that when you've been asked for scum reads [1:44:27 PM] wherebugsgo: you really have never had more than one? [1:44:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and they've all been town [1:47:45 PM] risk.nuke: I'm trusting you because tnktd and Mig both were sure you were town. I suspected you earlier because of your play and if you look back at it, tell me it wasn't suspicious. Tnktd got a suspect from association with you and Incognito's post 10 minutes before the guy he accuses got killed. I still can't belive he wasn't mafia [1:57:27 PM] risk.nuke: I get how I am suspicious [1:57:38 PM] wherebugsgo: right but you still have no reads [1:57:40 PM] wherebugsgo: which is a problem [1:57:47 PM] wherebugsgo: people didn't tell you why they thought I was town [1:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: because no one believed you were town [2:03:12 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:13:49 PM] wherebugsgo: you were writing something? [2:14:33 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, I've been writing and deleting quite a bit [2:14:42 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? lol [2:14:55 PM] wherebugsgo: you should speak your mind [2:19:05 PM] risk.nuke: Just don't find the right words [2:19:09 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [2:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let me say this [2:19:19 PM] wherebugsgo: as a townie you should have no problem simply speaking your mind [2:20:09 PM] risk.nuke: and then that's exacly why I brought town to this mess [2:21:26 PM] risk.nuke: Gah just nvm [2:21:32 PM] risk.nuke: it's just not that simple [2:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: lol what [2:21:53 PM] wherebugsgo: look town needs information [2:21:54 PM] wherebugsgo: to win this [2:22:00 PM] wherebugsgo: that's why I am talking to you right now [2:22:07 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:22:17 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so what do you think of sevryn? [2:24:17 PM] risk.nuke: lurker in the forum so I got nothing, I am personally more suspicious about Jcarl and DropBear [2:24:32 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think of Forumite? [2:25:33 PM] risk.nuke: I thought he was mafia before, shit I got scared to death when he sort of defended me in the forum [2:25:48 PM] wherebugsgo: now? [2:26:03 PM] risk.nuke: Give me a few minutes to check his posts [2:26:11 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good [2:32:54 PM] risk.nuke: I'm neutral about him. he's scummy but then who isn't, I think I've gotten stuck in an overthink-loop (wifom) [2:33:10 PM] wherebugsgo: that's not wifom [2:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: yeah it is [2:33:28 PM] wherebugsgo: but anyway [2:33:43 PM] wherebugsgo: okay yeah I guess it is [2:33:55 PM] wherebugsgo: how did he go [2:33:58 PM] wherebugsgo: from being mafia before [2:34:01 PM] wherebugsgo: to neutral now? [2:37:21 PM] risk.nuke: he's supersuspicious [2:37:35 PM] risk.nuke: everyone I've felt that way about before have turned up blue [2:37:59 PM] risk.nuke: assuming you're blue [2:39:19 PM] wherebugsgo: I am blue [2:39:22 PM] wherebugsgo: however that's not a valid reason [2:39:31 PM] wherebugsgo: to believe that a person who was once scummy [2:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: is no longer scummy [2:39:44 PM] wherebugsgo: plus, you never mentioned in the thread, ever, that you suspected Forumite [2:39:50 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? [2:40:00 PM] wherebugsgo: when did you first suspect Forumite? [2:40:30 PM] risk.nuke: When he took my side in the forum [2:42:06 PM] risk.nuke: since he took my side offiicaly and said nothing to me privatly it looked like he was just interested in how it looked for other people [2:42:12 PM] risk.nuke: I was beeing used [2:42:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. when was this, which day? [2:42:29 PM] wherebugsgo: which post? [2:42:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and why is it you never posted a suspicion of Forumite? [2:43:34 PM] wherebugsgo: is it this: [2:43:35 PM] wherebugsgo: WBG seems determined to lynch him, which suggests risk-nuke is Town. tnkted and WBG are at the top of my scumlist at the moment for not stepping up and providing the reason why WBG must be Town, so I don´t can´t take their arguments seriously until I get a clear answer from tnkted. [2:43:52 PM] risk.nuke: I think it was before that [2:43:57 PM] risk.nuke: wait I'll try to find it [2:50:54 PM] wherebugsgo: ?? [2:55:14 PM] wherebugsgo: well? [2:55:38 PM] risk.nuke: Yes, I thought it was earlier but that's just because he was a bit anti-you [2:56:24 PM] risk.nuke: Rereading it again though i think it's very odd that he is still alive, since he claimed to be a special town role [2:56:55 PM] risk.nuke: and then asking for medic protection so he wasn't faking that to divert attention (unless he knew the medic) [2:57:37 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [2:57:43 PM] risk.nuke: anyway It's getting late [2:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [2:57:57 PM] wherebugsgo: let's talk later in this day cycle [2:58:01 PM] risk.nuke: yes [2:58:02 PM] wherebugsgo: about other players, yes? [2:58:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if you have time when you wake that would be good [2:58:22 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll still be on in 8-9 hours [2:59:22 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah timezones are a bitch, I'll see if I can reach you around 8, if i'm not there in 9 feel free to go to sleep cause then I didn't have time [2:59:31 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good Can't really tell with this one. Risk is a new player so it makes sense for some of these things to be happening. But why would he wait so long inbetween messages? Why would he erase and reerase? Then, in the thread, why is he so bold? In PMs he's timid and careful. In the thread he just goes for it. Not sure what to pick up on, tbh with you all. If Sevryn is not scum then I'd say these two are, but I really can't see Sevryn not being scum. We'll have to pick one of these two to kill tomorrow probably. | ||
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On October 10 2011 06:49 Sevryn wrote: Scum fears dieing vanilla town does not I've contributed my thoughts and reads you seem to be ignoring voting nc day one wasn't filler I wanted him lynched And the whole not being here at vital times I work a lot of evenings That's for night kills... Townies should definitely fear dying by lynch because that is, by definition, a mislynch. How the hell is a mislynch good for town? | ||
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great. Freaking wonderful. Kill two of Dropbear/Nisani/risk.nuke. | ||
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risk if you're the sniper shoot DB. | ||
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Lol | ||
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How is nisani confirmed? If Nisani is confirmed then we need to kill risk.nuke. | ||
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Risk nuke is the last one. You can lynch me if you want, you're just going to delay yourself. Also, if you're wrong about nisani then you're fucking yourself over because if risk is town then nisani has an easy as hell path to victory. You and Forumite really need to think about this. Talk with risk and nisani. One of them is scum. | ||
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If you lynch me and then risk turns out to be town you lose. | ||
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Think about it. What about my play other than my wrong reads are consistent with scum play? I've pushed two mislynches, one of which everyone else was in support of anyway. The day we killed xt (which lots of other people were responsible for as well) and the day we killed sevryn (which everyone can agree was the best lynch that day) I even asked risk to shoot DB last night because I thought the way risk posted was suggesting he was soft claiming vig: On October 10 2011 07:11 risk.nuke wrote: Can I kill wbg now? please? So now if you're the vig kenpachi, what do you make of this statement? Then, finally, think about these things: 1. If I was scum do you think I would spend 24+ hours with NC/Incog and draft up reasons and ideas as to why the day 1 lynch was so easy, and try to figure out what was going on? Then, would I come out of nowhere as scum and take all that attention for a case on CURU that was so easily destroyed by Mig's logs? 2. If I was scum do you think I would put so much effort in to PMing everyone after Curu and Mig died to consolidate all my reads? 3. If I was scum do you think I would have this many fucking logs (with literally every player in the game?) 4. If I was scum would I have gone and given everyone my reads when I thought I was about to get shot by Jackal/Forumite? 5. If I was scum would I really spend so much time faking logs with jcarl? 6. If I was scum would I really tie myself to DB? Come on, think this through. I've done plenty of things this game to show that I'm trying to hunt scum. Yeah, I've been wrong, but being wrong doesn't mean I'm scum. | ||
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I've posted every log anyone has asked me for within minutes of being asked. If I have information and someone wants it I will give it to them. I spent hours on the day barely anyone was here meticulously gathering information on players. Ofc I tired myself out and I didn't have the proper reads because I was focusing too much on actually finding players, but I put in that effort because I was frustrated no one else was being active. | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:23 Forumite wrote: DB defended WBG several times, most importantly when I wanted to lynch WBG yesterday, and he got us to focus on Sevryn again. Yes, DB defended me because he was tying himself to me. I defended DB because of the information I got from Curu and what DB kept posting in the thread. Honestly if it was false that DB was looking for a replacement I think that should be some sort of warnable offense. I actually believed DB was more town because he said he was looking for a replacement and was giving me his reads. Alarm bells should've gone off when he said literally everyone except Sevryn was null, though. I kinda pushed it to the back of my mind since Curu said DB was townish to him and I was getting the same vibe simply based on the fact that DB was talking to me when he said he was looking for a replacement. That's an assumption I know I'll never make again. Had I ignored that I think I probably would've seen DB was scum. | ||
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I took that to mean that Sevryn was probably his scum buddy. It wasn't true; sevryn was town. So, whatever DB said about Nisani we can't trust. If that's what you're basing Nisani being town on, then you need to reevaluate and determine on what basis you consider Nisani to be town. At this point in time I think risk.nuke is a better lynch than Nisani (or me obviously) but Nisani could very well be scum too if there's nothing else to suggest that he's town other than DB telling you to shoot him. | ||
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If you're wrong about Nisani then it's game over when you lynch risk. I realize I will most likely be lynched today, there's literally nothing I can do about it. I might as well warn you now. | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:33 Forumite wrote: Risk has been tunneling WBG the whole game, lol. 5 speaks in WBGs favor, faking logs might be too much work. 1 speaks against WBG, mig among others thought there must have been a scum behind that case, that it didn´t work doesn´t matter, because NC/xt and Incog got lynched thanks to it. Getting 2 townies lynched for one Scum is decent from Scums perspective, especially as it ties up 3 days of activity and discussion. Which is real funny cause when we talked risk said he thought I was the fucking detective. | ||
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On that day with the information I was working with, I used risk's noobie excuse to push him aside and just consider him bad town. I ignored the fact that he had done nothing but ninja vote and soft FoS people with no reasoning all game. So, my reads were basically Sevryn/Sinani/Forumite. Forumite has acted progressively more townie and he was confirmed by Erandorr, then Sevryn/Sinani just proved that they had been themselves as usual. That left me with almost no time to reevaluate. Jcarl looked town to me because of my chats with him, DB looked town to me because of Curu/the replacement shit, and risk was noob town to me so I just ignored him. That left Nisani for me to be unsure about (and ofc, he's still alive) Now what? One of risk/nisani is scum. I think it's probably risk. | ||
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Nisani is the first to unvote LOL | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:41 Forumite wrote: Don´t use DB looking for a replacement and not getting warned as evidence. The ways of Kurumi are mysterious. Did you convey any of these talks and reads on DB in the thread? Yes, I did. I posted my logs at one point, IIRC. If you want them again I can post them again. I can also post the logs I had with curu right before he died that gave me assurance that DB was likely to be town. | ||
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[4:45:24 PM] wherebugsgo: yo are you here? [4:46:15 PM] risk.nuke: sigh I was going to say "leave it you're going to die" [4:46:44 PM] risk.nuke: however in the offchance that you just suck and turns out to be a townie, feel free to tell me who is most suspicious between nisani and forumite [4:47:07 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think? [4:47:15 PM] wherebugsgo: think about it, if I'm town, who is scum? [4:47:49 PM] risk.nuke: It's not kenpachi. [4:47:54 PM] wherebugsgo: well, no shit [4:48:35 PM] risk.nuke: Nisani I guess is the more suspicious of the two but I really do not feel confident with forumite [4:48:53 PM] wherebugsgo: explain what makes Forumite scummy. [4:49:12 PM] risk.nuke: I just don't like the way he play [4:49:19 PM] wherebugsgo: what has he done [4:49:22 PM] wherebugsgo: that makes him scummy? [4:50:59 PM] risk.nuke: He has been against you for one [4:51:23 PM] wherebugsgo: so [4:51:26 PM] wherebugsgo: you want to kill Forumite? [4:52:05 PM] risk.nuke: maybe I will see when you flip town [4:52:12 PM] wherebugsgo: so you know I'm town? [4:52:12 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [4:52:18 PM] risk.nuke: ha [4:52:30 PM] risk.nuke: yes you got me [4:52:40 PM] wherebugsgo: loool He took almost two minutes to respond to my question as to what Forumite has done to make him scummy. Couldn't come up with a reason. | ||
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On October 11 2011 08:52 Nisani201 wrote: What is the case against risk? SS never called him out (that I know of). If I missed something then I'll vote for him Okay wtf dude if you're going to unvote me that means you only have one other choice. Literally, it comes to whether or not you think I'm scum. If I'm scum, then risk is clean. If I'm clean, then risk is scum. This derp of yours makes things even more fucking confusing because you could be scum and doing this. If you're town then the choice is clear (it's between me and risk). | ||
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Kenpachi how do you go from what I said and what I posted to risk being town? THINK ABOUT THIS CAREFULLY I know you want to lynch me, and I know I will be lynched. Don't be dumb, don't leave out the possibility that risk could be mafia. | ||
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Look at the log I just gave you. Risk tries to ask me which one of Nisani/Forumite is scummier... If he was actually town he should know the only choice is between myself and Nisani. But, he throws Forumite in there (and continues with that when I ask him why Forumite is scummy) Yet, he says "I don't like how he plays" for a reason as to why Forumite is scummy. You don't see something wrong with this? | ||
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On October 11 2011 10:25 Kenpachi wrote: you see, if you read over their posts, youll see why i prefer killing nisani > risk. first off, Risk has tunneled wbg to the very end. his posts in general are infact NOT scummy. He points out that WBG defends Palmar softly. tries to determine that wbg is mafia. If he certainly was mafia, he would have not came to a conclusion WBG could be detective. thats just plain stupid rofl. WBG or risk, supply some logs. Now on to Nisani. Same case as WBG. always wrong, never provided concrete evidence. did not accuse anyone new, did not use his intuition. Hes at best a null tell. only bandwagoning Vote patterns are weak. both of them are pretty big bandwagoners. Risk actually attacked wbg a couple of times and was part of the Kill Palmar Wagon. Nisani was always wrong. not that it says anything but just some reference for you if you ever want to go into their voting patterns + Show Spoiler + Day 1 votes (weak) risk.nuke votes Palmar last (no reasoning) Nisani201 held his vote on wherebugsgo On September 29 2011 11:17 Nisani201 wrote: I have yet to see anything scummy in Jackal's play. On the other hand, we have WBG OMGUSing, while mirroring his play from MLP mafia. You guys make this too easy. I know where I'm placing my vote. ##Vote: wherebugsgo Day 2 Both votes for Incog Reason for both (Nisani bandwagons with +1): On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill Incognito The fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious people wherebugsgo I have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote: If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito. He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up tnkted Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote: WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote: PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notes I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear Day 3 votetally is kinda funny: risk pressured Forumite. changes vote to xtffc later (no reasoning) Nisani201 votes for sevyrn after changing votes off xtffc sinani. Final tallies say only 3 people voted Sevyrn: jcarlson, dropbear, and Nisani201. Day 4: risk votes wbg On October 10 2011 01:09 risk.nuke wrote: Seriously guys? Wbg is without a doubt the best candidate for todays lynch and he's slipping under the rug again? He has by far been the worst player from towns perspective. The manipulative playstyle he's had fits the glove anti-town play. This is the last I heard of wbg. Considering how incredibly suspicious the situation was expecting to hear something from him, anything? But I waited and he have said nothing. Lynch him and be done with him. If he's RED we most likely got dropbear red aswell If he's BLU we can go for sevryn tomorrow. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Detective. 8 players left, mafia is down to 1kp, It's time to step forward and tell us what you have. Nisani bandwagons Sevyrn On October 10 2011 05:22 Nisani201 wrote: Sevyrn Sevyrn begins by voting NC, he simply defends it but doesn't comment on anything else going on in the thread. Then he votes for Curu because of NC's analysis, but backs down after Mig nullifies it and calls it a "distraction case." Again, he isolates himself from everything else going on in the thread. Now he's voting for WBG, who is probably a Townie because of his logs with Jcarl. Probably voting for him because he doesn't want to vote/pressure one of his scumbuddies. Let's kill him, please. ##Vote: Sevyrn Dude DB tunneled Sevryn the same way risk has been tunneling me. I can't believe you can actually consider that to be a towntell since DB flipped scum. | ||
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<xtfftc> hey there <xtfftc> available for a chat? <risknuke> I'm here <xtfftc> nice <xtfftc> as you probably know, I've just joined the game and am still forming opinions about everyone <risknuke> I'm the suspicious idiot townie <xtfftc> nah, you're the lurker <xtfftc> sevryin is the idiot townie, I think <xtfftc> and WBG is the "is he too dumb or too scum?" <xtfftc> care to share some suspicions? <risknuke> I don't know, since incog flipped blue I am in a state of shock and confusion <risknuke> I think Forumite and sevryn are amognst the scummiest <risknuke> Forumite claimed a while ago to be a special blue role, yet he lives <risknuke> and sevryn is the scummiest lurker <xtfftc> hm <xtfftc> what about erandorr? <risknuke> Town <xtfftc> hm, do you still think that WBG is mafia? <xtfftc> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305¤tpage=38#746 <risknuke> no <xtfftc> how come? <risknuke> he convinced me <risknuke> Actually I didn't think he was mafia since incog flipped blue <xtfftc> he is yet to convince me <risknuke> quite alot went down that day <xtfftc> but anyway, will get back to this later <risknuke> I have talked to wbg, I'm 90% sure he is town <xtfftc> I have also talked to him and the argument he gave to me was that he PMed Mig and tnkted <risknuke> For now there is alot better suspects <risknuke> speculating for future votes are best done future day <xtfftc> okay <xtfftc> I think that Erandorr is the third mafia <xtfftc> and he is trying to save forumite and sevryn <xtfftc> but then again Mig was sure of Erandorr being town :/ <xtfftc> and considered Jcarl scummy <xtfftc> bleh, I'll never join a game as a replacement again <risknuke> ha <risknuke> ^^ <xtfftc> what do you think? <xtfftc> of jcarl and erandorr + Show Spoiler [risknukelog] + [12:21:26 PM] wherebugsgo: hey [12:21:30 PM] wherebugsgo: you have time to discuss? [1:03:47 PM] risk.nuke: yeah [1:04:03 PM] wherebugsgo: cool cool [1:04:08 PM] wherebugsgo: what are your scumreads right now? [1:09:23 PM] risk.nuke: Honestly, I feel like I don't have a clue anymore, everyone seems suspicious but none suspicious enough to warrant a lynch [1:10:56 PM] risk.nuke: I have been really swamped and just got back, I'm currently having a look on dropbear [1:11:11 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:11:18 PM] wherebugsgo: have you PMed anyone at all this game so far? [1:12:17 PM] risk.nuke: This is my first game, At first I didn't really get what do do with the pm function what to look for etc, I basicly only trusted Mig [1:13:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:13:19 PM] wherebugsgo: do you have your logs with Mig? [1:14:03 PM] risk.nuke: There are no logs, I don't think he trusted me [1:15:11 PM] risk.nuke: I haven't discussed the game with anyone privately [1:15:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so you trusted Mig but never PMed him? [1:15:53 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, is that scummy? [1:16:08 PM] wherebugsgo: I dunno, you tell me [1:16:16 PM] wherebugsgo: so you haven't received nor sent any PMs so far in this game? [1:16:20 PM] wherebugsgo: besides mine obviously [1:17:01 PM] risk.nuke: You and tnktd [1:17:13 PM] wherebugsgo: that's it? Incog never sent you anything? [1:17:24 PM] risk.nuke: Got nothing from incog [1:17:26 PM] wherebugsgo: Curu never sent you anything? [1:17:31 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:17:33 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:17:34 PM] risk.nuke: only dropbear [1:17:41 PM] wherebugsgo: you just said [1:17:48 PM] wherebugsgo: only me and tnkted messaged you [1:17:54 PM] risk.nuke: no i messeged you [1:18:04 PM] wherebugsgo: okay I'm talking [1:18:08 PM] wherebugsgo: about any sort of PM, received or sent [1:18:17 PM] wherebugsgo: which players does this encompass? [1:18:50 PM] risk.nuke: You tnktd Mig Palmar dropbear [1:19:03 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:19:07 PM] wherebugsgo: can you PM all your logs? [1:19:08 PM] wherebugsgo: to me [1:19:27 PM] risk.nuke: sorry? [1:19:33 PM] wherebugsgo: send me all the PMs you've received/sent [1:19:35 PM] wherebugsgo: to all these players [1:19:37 PM] wherebugsgo: to my inbox [1:19:39 PM] wherebugsgo: on TL [1:19:52 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:19:54 PM] risk.nuke: in order? [1:20:04 PM] wherebugsgo: that'd be nice but it isn't super important [1:23:33 PM] wherebugsgo: did Palmar respond to you? [1:23:39 PM] risk.nuke: nope [1:26:31 PM] risk.nuke: that should be all of them [1:26:56 PM] wherebugsgo: okay, cool, thanks. [1:27:05 PM] wherebugsgo: have you had time to read through the thread [1:27:06 PM] wherebugsgo: ? [1:27:42 PM] risk.nuke: I'll do it noq [1:29:01 PM] risk.nuke: btw, do you get what this means? "Scamp the Mute Awkward Cow died to Liberty Launcher." [1:29:39 PM] wherebugsgo: no, I think it's just a kill flavor [1:29:53 PM] wherebugsgo: mafia killed Scamp last night and I don't think any of the rest of the flavor has any relevance to the game [1:31:22 PM] risk.nuke: Can they kill more then 1 person a night without pyro? And wth is a mute awkward cow, i don't get it, is that a role? [1:31:40 PM] wherebugsgo: yeah so basically mafia has a KP of n/2 [1:31:41 PM] wherebugsgo: rounded up [1:31:49 PM] wherebugsgo: where n=number of mafia left alive [1:32:00 PM] wherebugsgo: so if mafia has 3 members n/2 is 1.5 and round up = 2 [1:32:03 PM] wherebugsgo: so they get two kills [1:32:10 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:32:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if we kill a mafia today with the lynch that number drops to n=2 and 2/2=1 [1:32:37 PM] wherebugsgo: a mute awkward cow is the flavor for a townie that can't PM in this game [1:32:41 PM] wherebugsgo: but appears red to DT checks [1:33:04 PM] risk.nuke: flavor? [1:33:12 PM] wherebugsgo: flavor is just like [1:33:14 PM] wherebugsgo: description [1:33:22 PM] wherebugsgo: or theme [1:33:27 PM] wherebugsgo: it has nothing to do with the actual game itself [1:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: okey [1:33:31 PM] wherebugsgo: you could call it anything you want [1:33:44 PM] wherebugsgo: in most normal games "mute awkward cow" would be "mute town miller" [1:33:57 PM] wherebugsgo: and "mute drunk demo man" would be "mute vanilla town" [1:34:59 PM] risk.nuke: Okey, [1:35:33 PM] wherebugsgo: anyway [1:36:29 PM] wherebugsgo: do you believe that I am town? [1:36:42 PM] risk.nuke: Taking a leap of faith [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled [1:38:50 PM] risk.nuke: I had to do something, If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it. [1:39:15 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. [1:39:28 PM] wherebugsgo: so I am town, indeed [1:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: and I've confirmed myself via PM to others in the town atm [1:39:42 PM] wherebugsgo: but currently I'm pushing you in the thread. [1:39:46 PM] wherebugsgo: why should we not lynch you? [1:40:03 PM] risk.nuke: Because I'm town [1:40:27 PM] wherebugsgo: what's your role? [1:40:58 PM] risk.nuke: Drunk demoman [1:44:16 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [1:44:22 PM] wherebugsgo: so why is it [1:44:23 PM] wherebugsgo: that when you've been asked for scum reads [1:44:27 PM] wherebugsgo: you really have never had more than one? [1:44:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and they've all been town [1:47:45 PM] risk.nuke: I'm trusting you because tnktd and Mig both were sure you were town. I suspected you earlier because of your play and if you look back at it, tell me it wasn't suspicious. Tnktd got a suspect from association with you and Incognito's post 10 minutes before the guy he accuses got killed. I still can't belive he wasn't mafia [1:57:27 PM] risk.nuke: I get how I am suspicious [1:57:38 PM] wherebugsgo: right but you still have no reads [1:57:40 PM] wherebugsgo: which is a problem [1:57:47 PM] wherebugsgo: people didn't tell you why they thought I was town [1:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: because no one believed you were town [2:03:12 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:13:49 PM] wherebugsgo: you were writing something? [2:14:33 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah, I've been writing and deleting quite a bit [2:14:42 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? lol [2:14:55 PM] wherebugsgo: you should speak your mind [2:19:05 PM] risk.nuke: Just don't find the right words [2:19:09 PM] wherebugsgo: lol [2:19:12 PM] wherebugsgo: okay let me say this [2:19:19 PM] wherebugsgo: as a townie you should have no problem simply speaking your mind [2:20:09 PM] risk.nuke: and then that's exacly why I brought town to this mess [2:21:26 PM] risk.nuke: Gah just nvm [2:21:32 PM] risk.nuke: it's just not that simple [2:21:44 PM] wherebugsgo: lol what [2:21:53 PM] wherebugsgo: look town needs information [2:21:54 PM] wherebugsgo: to win this [2:22:00 PM] wherebugsgo: that's why I am talking to you right now [2:22:07 PM] risk.nuke: Yes [2:22:17 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. so what do you think of sevryn? [2:24:17 PM] risk.nuke: lurker in the forum so I got nothing, I am personally more suspicious about Jcarl and DropBear [2:24:32 PM] wherebugsgo: what do you think of Forumite? [2:25:33 PM] risk.nuke: I thought he was mafia before, shit I got scared to death when he sort of defended me in the forum [2:25:48 PM] wherebugsgo: now? [2:26:03 PM] risk.nuke: Give me a few minutes to check his posts [2:26:11 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good [2:32:54 PM] risk.nuke: I'm neutral about him. he's scummy but then who isn't, I think I've gotten stuck in an overthink-loop (wifom) [2:33:10 PM] wherebugsgo: that's not wifom [2:33:27 PM] risk.nuke: yeah it is [2:33:28 PM] wherebugsgo: but anyway [2:33:43 PM] wherebugsgo: okay yeah I guess it is [2:33:55 PM] wherebugsgo: how did he go [2:33:58 PM] wherebugsgo: from being mafia before [2:34:01 PM] wherebugsgo: to neutral now? [2:37:21 PM] risk.nuke: he's supersuspicious [2:37:35 PM] risk.nuke: everyone I've felt that way about before have turned up blue [2:37:59 PM] risk.nuke: assuming you're blue [2:39:19 PM] wherebugsgo: I am blue [2:39:22 PM] wherebugsgo: however that's not a valid reason [2:39:31 PM] wherebugsgo: to believe that a person who was once scummy [2:39:36 PM] wherebugsgo: is no longer scummy [2:39:44 PM] wherebugsgo: plus, you never mentioned in the thread, ever, that you suspected Forumite [2:39:50 PM] wherebugsgo: why is that? [2:40:00 PM] wherebugsgo: when did you first suspect Forumite? [2:40:30 PM] risk.nuke: When he took my side in the forum [2:42:06 PM] risk.nuke: since he took my side offiicaly and said nothing to me privatly it looked like he was just interested in how it looked for other people [2:42:12 PM] risk.nuke: I was beeing used [2:42:27 PM] wherebugsgo: okay. when was this, which day? [2:42:29 PM] wherebugsgo: which post? [2:42:43 PM] wherebugsgo: and why is it you never posted a suspicion of Forumite? [2:43:34 PM] wherebugsgo: is it this: [2:43:35 PM] wherebugsgo: WBG seems determined to lynch him, which suggests risk-nuke is Town. tnkted and WBG are at the top of my scumlist at the moment for not stepping up and providing the reason why WBG must be Town, so I don´t can´t take their arguments seriously until I get a clear answer from tnkted. [2:43:52 PM] risk.nuke: I think it was before that [2:43:57 PM] risk.nuke: wait I'll try to find it [2:50:54 PM] wherebugsgo: ?? [2:55:14 PM] wherebugsgo: well? [2:55:38 PM] risk.nuke: Yes, I thought it was earlier but that's just because he was a bit anti-you [2:56:24 PM] risk.nuke: Rereading it again though i think it's very odd that he is still alive, since he claimed to be a special town role [2:56:55 PM] risk.nuke: and then asking for medic protection so he wasn't faking that to divert attention (unless he knew the medic) [2:57:37 PM] wherebugsgo: okay [2:57:43 PM] risk.nuke: anyway It's getting late [2:57:49 PM] wherebugsgo: alright [2:57:57 PM] wherebugsgo: let's talk later in this day cycle [2:58:01 PM] risk.nuke: yes [2:58:02 PM] wherebugsgo: about other players, yes? [2:58:14 PM] wherebugsgo: if you have time when you wake that would be good [2:58:22 PM] wherebugsgo: I'll still be on in 8-9 hours [2:59:22 PM] risk.nuke: Yeah timezones are a bitch, I'll see if I can reach you around 8, if i'm not there in 9 feel free to go to sleep cause then I didn't have time [2:59:31 PM] wherebugsgo: sounds good | ||
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It's basically a coin flip right now between risk and nisani. Lesser of two evils IMO. | ||
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That comes down to Forumite's vote. -I get lynched, flip town -you get shot nisani forumite risk left. I would honestly hate to be forumite in that position | ||
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On October 11 2011 09:14 risk.nuke wrote: Slimey shit you were. This is the keyphrase you so conveniently leaves out " think about it, if I'm town, who is scum?" I know I am not town. I know Kenpachi is spy. You are dead from the lynch. That leaves forumite and nisani. Desperate slimey shit. lol | ||
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Nisani do you have any logs? Who have you talked to? Seriously Kenpachi, the optimal situation is to lynch through risk.nuke/nisani. If risk pops town then it has to be nisani. The problem is that if I get lynched it's a coin flip for forumite. There's literally almost nothing either player has offered to town, so they both are (almost) completely unreadable. Pros for risk.nuke: 1. He's new 2. He's responded to PMs 3. He gave me some logs (not many, though) Cons: 1. He's done nothing 2. He has no reasoning for anything 3. He can't provide reasons when asked 4. He says weird shit in general 5. He ninja votes 6. Often disappears when receiving suspicion Nisani Pros: 1. He gave us an IRC channel with a log from the beginning of the game 2. At least uses some minimal reasoning (like his last post, for instance) 3. Doesn't disappear at weird times of day, as far as I can tell Cons: 1. He's not conforming to his meta from MLP of being very aggressive. Once he thought I was scum in MLP he never let go (and he was correct) 2. He doesn't contribute anything 3. His votes are often given without reasons | ||
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[23:23] <DropBear> sup [23:23] <wherebugsgo___> hey DB [23:23] <wherebugsgo___> can you give me your reads? [23:23] <wherebugsgo___> town reads and scum reads [23:23] <DropBear> iv been mia most of the time [23:23] <wherebugsgo___> I'm about to start a league match so I'll brb [23:23] <DropBear> i asked kurumi for replacement [23:24] <DropBear> scum reads [23:24] <DropBear> sinani206 [23:24] <DropBear> and sevryn iv been saying that since day 1 [23:24] <DropBear> you're my main town read cos you always play like this from what iv seen [23:24] <wherebugsgo___> alright [23:24] <wherebugsgo___> I'm about to post [23:24] <DropBear> id say jcarl is probably town [23:24] <wherebugsgo___> a sinani case [23:24] <wherebugsgo___> and the thing is [23:24] <DropBear> can we hang sevryn [23:24] <DropBear> please [23:24] <wherebugsgo___> I think I have all 3 scum [23:25] <wherebugsgo___> sinani sevryn forumite [23:25] <wherebugsgo___> but [23:25] <wherebugsgo___> forumite might be swapped out with risk [23:25] <wherebugsgo___> not sure yet [23:25] <wherebugsgo___> anyway I'll brb [23:25] <DropBear> ok [23:59] <wherebugsgo___> alright [23:59] <wherebugsgo___> are you vanilla? [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AutYqafTwGaMdFJaNHhFQ05nYzZsUzdITUtIRzFMS3c&hl=en_US [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> I'm going to add your reads here [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> I have the reads of all the townies [00:00] <DropBear> ye bro vanilla [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> also some scum [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> because I've been talking to everyone today [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> anyway [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> what i'm about to do [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> is make a case on sinani [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> and tell everyone [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> to lynch him [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> then sevryn [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk.nuke [00:00] <DropBear> id rather do sevryn first [00:00] <wherebugsgo___> the last scum is between those two [00:01] <DropBear> but i can get behind a sinani lynch too [00:01] <wherebugsgo___> I know you would lol [00:01] <wherebugsgo___> the thing is [00:01] <wherebugsgo___> more people support a sinani lynch atm [00:01] <wherebugsgo___> but honestly [00:01] <wherebugsgo___> if they're both scum it doesn't matter [00:01] <wherebugsgo___> they both voted you [00:02] <DropBear> did they? [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> yep [00:02] <DropBear> i thought sevryn voted risk nuke [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> sinani came in and voted you [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn voted you the other day [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> but I believe he voted risk.nuke today, yeha [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> anyway, I doubt risk is mafia [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> he's just super noob [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> but no one has defended him [00:02] <DropBear> ye its his first gmae [00:02] <wherebugsgo___> yep, he told me [00:03] <DropBear> i was speaking to him on the first day [00:03] <wherebugsgo___> mhmm [00:03] <DropBear> in irc [00:03] <wherebugsgo___> he sent me the log [00:03] <wherebugsgo___> well [00:03] <wherebugsgo___> not of IRC [00:03] <wherebugsgo___> but his PMs [00:03] <wherebugsgo___> Sevryn soft defended Forumite and sinani when I talked to him [00:04] <wherebugsgo___> so you think I'm town right who else? [00:04] <wherebugsgo___> who are the scummiest beyond sinani/sevryn? [00:04] <DropBear> well jcarl seems town [00:04] <DropBear> and supersoft [00:05] <DropBear> mostly cos he just blu claimed to me lol [00:05] <wherebugsgo___> okay [00:05] <wherebugsgo___> I agree on both of those [00:05] <wherebugsgo___> strongest townies [00:06] <wherebugsgo___> kenpachi? [00:06] <wherebugsgo___> xt? [00:06] <DropBear> i never know how to read kenpachi lol [00:06] <wherebugsgo___> lol [00:06] <wherebugsgo___> okay. so null you think? [00:06] <DropBear> ye null [00:06] <DropBear> i got no idea on him [00:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [00:06] <wherebugsgo___> I'm pretty sure he's town [00:07] <DropBear> xt replaced marshal right? [00:07] <wherebugsgo___> yes [00:07] <DropBear> marshal was throwing up the sort of shit he did [00:07] <DropBear> both times iv been on a scum team with him [00:07] <wherebugsgo___> ok [00:07] <DropBear> the curu cae [00:07] <DropBear> *case [00:07] <wherebugsgo___> right [00:07] <DropBear> was the biggest pile of shit iv ever seen in my life [00:07] <wherebugsgo___> lool [00:07] <DropBear> it reminds me of pick their powere [00:07] <wherebugsgo___> indeed [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> I read that game [00:08] <DropBear> when he convinced everyone that palmar shot the mole [00:08] <DropBear> to gain town cred rofl [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> okay [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> so the one thing [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> I have a problem with xt/Gmarsh on [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> is that he raged [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> and I'm pretty sure [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> it's legitimate, cause he replaced out [00:08] <DropBear> and we got palmar lynched over bumatlarge who was confirmed in the day post haha [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> and he apologized to me [00:08] <DropBear> id say hes dodgy [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> also xt I'm getting a townish? read on [00:08] <DropBear> but not sevryn dodgy [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> but not sure still [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> yes indeed [00:08] <wherebugsgo___> xt avoided giving me reads [00:09] <wherebugsgo___> in IRC earlier today [00:09] <wherebugsgo___> and he was acting a bit weird [00:09] <wherebugsgo___> it's all in the loonybin logs [00:09] <wherebugsgo___> but lynching him before sevryn/sinani would be dumb [00:09] <wherebugsgo___> unless one of them flips town [00:10] <DropBear> i am definitely for sevryn and sinani first [00:10] <DropBear> and sevryn over sinani [00:10] <wherebugsgo___> yup [00:10] <wherebugsgo___> okay so [00:10] <DropBear> supersoft claimed blu spy btw [00:10] <wherebugsgo___> I predict I will die after this lynch [00:10] <DropBear> i can tell you that i think [00:10] <wherebugsgo___> ? [00:10] <DropBear> he claimed in thread [00:10] <DropBear> that he was incognitos mysterious night vigi [00:11] <wherebugsgo___> indeed [00:11] <DropBear> i pmd him lke an hour ago asking if his sniper claim was legit [00:11] <DropBear> and if he could shoot sevryn [00:11] <DropBear> and he said spy not sniper [00:11] <wherebugsgo___> yep he can only shoot at night [00:11] <DropBear> so hes night only [00:11] <wherebugsgo___> I've been getting a power role vibe from super [00:11] <wherebugsgo___> basically I'm not going to out him [00:11] <wherebugsgo___> he's got two shots [00:12] <DropBear> ye good keep it under wraps [00:12] <wherebugsgo___> if you guys mislynch after tomorrow night because forumite is town [00:12] <DropBear> he did kind of open claim lol [00:12] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [00:12] <DropBear> which is kind of random [00:12] <wherebugsgo___> so oaky [00:12] <wherebugsgo___> I see [00:12] <DropBear> i dont think he needed to [00:12] <wherebugsgo___> we lynch sinani, sevryn gets shot [00:12] <wherebugsgo___> if either flips town you have xt/forumite and game's over basically [00:13] <wherebugsgo___> we lynch sinani and sevryn gets shot, both scum [00:13] <wherebugsgo___> lynch xt/forumite, one flips town other gets shot [00:13] <wherebugsgo___> then if both were town last guy is risk [00:13] <DropBear> ok [00:13] <wherebugsgo___> so I think our chances are good [00:13] <DropBear> why forumite [00:13] <wherebugsgo___> the last ? factor was you basically [00:13] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn soft defended him [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> and [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he's been around [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> for 3 days now [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> despite being either blue/scum [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> if he was blue I think he would've been shot long ago [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he slipped about the drunk demo on night 1 basically [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he would've made a perfect night 1 shot [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> plus he literally hasn't done anything [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> for being a mute [00:14] <wherebugsgo___> he suspects me [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> and tnkted [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> no contributions at all [00:15] <DropBear> isnt tnkted modkiled [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> yeah tnkted died [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm saying, we were his only scum reads [00:15] <DropBear> ok [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> he also avoided Curu's attacks [00:15] <DropBear> ill read up on him [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> yep [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> okay so [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> this spreadsheet [00:15] <wherebugsgo___> has been given to the green townies you see [00:16] <wherebugsgo___> all of them have it, and no one else does [00:16] <DropBear> ok [00:16] <wherebugsgo___> you think nisani and erandor are town? [00:17] <DropBear> i liked incognitos case on erandorr day 1 [00:17] <DropBear> i thought he was dodgy early [00:17] <wherebugsgo___> okay [00:17] <DropBear> i kind of forgot about him after the curu/incog shit that went down [00:17] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [00:17] <DropBear> been too busy to have another look [00:18] <wherebugsgo___> okay [00:18] <DropBear> nisani i got no idea [00:18] <wherebugsgo___> Mig and Curu [00:18] <wherebugsgo___> thought Erandorr was town [00:18] <wherebugsgo___> and they didn't provide the reasoning but I believe their conclusion was pretty solid [00:18] <wherebugsgo___> they weren't able to give me their logs before they died [00:18] <DropBear> yeah [00:18] <wherebugsgo___> nisani I have strong reasons to believe he's town [00:18] <DropBear> well mig was the most obvious townie [00:18] <DropBear> ok [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> so if any of these guys [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> want to talk to you [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> just let them know [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> I mean, I know you're busy [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> so you might be better off [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> posting something of substance in the thread [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> and I will back you up as being a townie [00:19] <DropBear> ok [00:19] <DropBear> i dont have time right now im about to go [00:19] <DropBear> ill be on again in a few hours [00:19] <wherebugsgo___> that's fine, just do it asap [00:20] <wherebugsgo___> I'll be getting off for about 12 hours after I make the case on sinani [00:20] <DropBear> cool cool [00:21] <DropBear> alright im off [00:21] <DropBear> ttyl | ||
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Based on that, and seeing as we haven't seen any scum to scum logs yet, I think we should lynch Nisani. | ||
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The optimal play here is to lynch Nisani and risk, we'll win for sure if we do that. If you lynch me the game is 50/50. Quite literally. If you honestly believe I'm scum and I somehow had the foresight to fake hours and hours of conversation with DB and jcarl then go ahead and vote me, but I'm gifting you all the opportunity to win the game by lynching through nisani/risk and it would be rude not to accept it. | ||
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Also, you've got to be kidding me. There is no concept of "confirmation" when it comes to vanilla townies. You base this on who you think is most likely to be scum. I'mtelling you right now what the solution to the game is. You lynch nisani/risk and we win. One of these players is town and he needs to identify himself as such. Otherwise, if you guys decide to lynch me today you're going to have to do the tough decision making tomorrow. Either you believe I'm town and you take the easy path of lynching nisani and risk, or you believe I'm scum and shoot yourself in the foot by lynching another townie and then flip a coin between nisani and risk tomorrow. Your decision. I realize this is a pressured decision but I've given you everything I can. All the logs, all my information, everything I can as best as I can to prove to the best of my ability that I am town. There is literally nothing left I can do. I'm telling you now that you'regoing to have to choose between Nisani and risk either today or tomorrow. If you do it today it isn't actually a choice, you can lynch both. If you choose me today the entire town effort has been wasted for us to get a 50/50 shot at winning. | ||
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You guys take the word of confirmed townies like it's the gospel. Also, I've already addressed the DB issue. If I were scum I would not have a three page log with him in PMs. You could make conflicting arguments on the basis of which townies thought what. Erandorr thought I was town. Mig gave me and super 75% chance to be town (and Mig was only wrong about GM/xt) Curu thought DB and jcarl were town just like I did, and in fact, the basis of my argument for them both being town was the confirmation of information and reasoning I received from Curu. I've just been working with what I've got and have been given. | ||
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As for finding scum, tbh no one else really did either. Mig is the only person I can say this game who had his shit together as town. He was right almost every single time. We found jcarl thanks to Erandorr's DT check and we found DB after Sevryn flipped town. Sevryn/DB was a coinflip and we just chose the wrong one first. | ||
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I blame no one but myself for this. | ||
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Also my call is completely useless. It's still pretty much a coinflip, since Nisani disappeared for a very long time when he was asked for those logs. Granted, they seem genuine. Good luck lol | ||
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This time you chose the lynch and you are wrong hahaha. Okay sorry I realize your job is tough tomorrow lol | ||
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But it was my fault that town got into that situation in the first place (sorry guys) I really don't know why I played so shitty, but I did. Nothing really made sense to me from start to finish, the modkills of tnkted and Curu kinda bothered me, and the whole thing was just -_- really really sorry to town on my bad | ||
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If he was town, he would've waited until after one hour was up in order to prove to you that he wasn't the red sniper. Instead, he shot while risk.nuke was aiming too. Also, no one asked either player to aim. Risk did it because you guys thought that, since he was talking about the existence of a red sniper, he must've been it. I support risk aiming like that, but nisani aiming was just ?? As town, why would Nisani aim at that time? There is literally no purpose to that except to muddy the waters. | ||
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On October 17 2011 01:39 Nisani201 wrote: One more thing: if any of you (like risk.nuke) had put the effort into making a case against me on the final day, I probably would have been lynched. The fact that I didn't comment AT ALL on the Palmar lynch, WBG could have seen that I had no strong opinions on my scumbuddies (well, he's probably or kind of whatever). WBG was very close-minded throughout the game. Yeah I did notice this and I do remember commenting on it. Like other players who were focused on Incog and stuff I just wasn't able to focus on the right people. Instead I tried to focus my attention on why things weren't making sense, and that just led me to townies who were behaving strangely. In turn that made me look stupid. | ||
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