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On December 04 2011 22:07 Radfield wrote: Of course not I don't expect you to think I am town based on me saying so. I expect you to watch my play and gradually exclude me from being scum based on merit. or just autolynch you if you don't die night 1 | ||
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Palmar looks kinda scummy right now. ##Vote Palmar | ||
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On December 05 2011 02:00 prplhz wrote: @redFF What motivation could there be for a townie to propose a no-lynch this early on day1 in a closed setup? Do you think TruthBringer is bad enough not to be able to figure this out himself? Why do you think Palmar looks kinda scummy right now? yes | ||
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On December 04 2011 19:38 Palmar wrote: posts useless listSup. If we assume the hosts went with the most obvious way of balancing the game, two people out of this list are scum: Radfield Palmar Jackal sandroba syllogism redFF However I would never agree with lynching based on how we perceive the hosts balance games. They could just as well have randomized it or used some other method to balance it. the very next thing he says basically calls the list uselessWhat I'm more interested in is that 6/25 seems like an oddly high number of mafia for a normal setup. Do you think this is offset by lower mafia KP or multiple town power roles? I'm not sure what the point of this question is. Nobody (except maybe scum) knows for sure. It's pointless setup speculation to look like contributing with a hint of rolefishing.In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day. I'm fairly sure this isn't going to happen, dumb idea. Besides we could never trust the person generating the number to not influence it themselves in some way. | ||
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On December 04 2011 22:42 Palmar wrote: Annoying may not be the word you use, but just think about our last game as town together where I was running for mayor. Your approach towards me is not the same. he says syllo's play is different from his last game as town. It's being suspicious of him without actually saying anything concrete, this is how scum start wagons without anyone noticing they started it. | ||
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On December 05 2011 02:51 Palmar wrote: I'm out for the night redFF's case is terrible. VisceraEyes's agreement is a proof it's terrible. I'll explain why tomorrow, don't have time now. hey at least its a case instead of pointless setup discussion and posts saying obvious things like On December 04 2011 23:09 Palmar wrote: Establishing your innocence is the first priority over anything else. If you scumhunt, you might catch scum If you establish your innocence you won't be lynched. If all townies won't be lynched, then the game has been solved. So yes, that should be syllos and everyone else's main concern. this | ||
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On December 05 2011 02:56 Corrupt wrote: Wow~ Some sick investigations going on! I think I'm getting paranoid already.. yet it's my first game. (and first post) This is not going to be easy... so many suspicious people already. like who? | ||
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On December 05 2011 03:05 Zephirdd wrote: Tell us who is suspicious. Even if you want to say "I just think he is suspicious". It's not bad to be transparent, and don't be afraid to make mistakes and even turn back on your own word, as long as you make sense. Unless of course you are scum, only scum is afraid of mistakes. This post is the perfect example of a clueless scum post. all this post does is say what i said 10 minutes earlier in 8 sentences instead of 2 words... | ||
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If it's the perfect example of a clueless scum post why isn't your vote on him? | ||
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what do people think of corrupt stating "so many suspicious people already" and then when asked who, stalled for a while before only listing 1/2 players? Zephirdd's non vote then vote after i pushed him also strikes me as scummy. | ||
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On December 05 2011 01:38 annul wrote: "Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job" whoaaaaaaaaaa what i believe what he meant to say was something along the lines of or does town just sit around and wait for power roles to do our(town's) job(finding scum) for us(town) | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:17 vaderseven wrote: A no Lynch is awful for the reasons stated AND because it makes reading who voted who and why type info null. We need everyone to vote and explain every reason they have for their vote because this the one thing Mafai have to lie about everyday. Even bussing is a lie in a sense. Voting no Lynch is voting to hide relationships, motives, and information. We are not even discussing nolynch until much later on in the game. It is the worst thing we can do day 1 because it gives us no information and mafia free kills. end of discussion. | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:20 Zephirdd wrote: I don't like his answers at all. It's like he only answers exactly what he was asked for, and then finds a reason to lurk away(his last post exactly). If we are pushing for a day 1 lynch and there is no better target, I'd say we should lynch him. He is either bad newbie scum, or really really really bad newbie town. I'm inclined to the former. And for the record, I'd have voted him right after his first answer if you hadn't convinced me to vote on him beforehand. It's just that I don't feel very comfortable to do that, but it's not like it was a really big deal anyway. why not? | ||
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Windows 60% done and then I can read the thread. but you have posts discussing things that are happening in the thread | ||
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but otherwise i find On December 05 2011 06:26 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, I don't like to vote before at least an answer. Many people did that on Steamship Liquidia, and even as scum that bothered me, even having an argument with chaoser and almost getting caught over that. But I guess it's fine when it is a deadline-style lynch instead of a hammer-style lynch game. an acceptable response. | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:09 Radfield wrote: Redff is being aggressive, and I like it. | ||
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then only said one person, and was unable to list anymore. I'm not misrepresenting anything. | ||
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[quote] I agree with redFF's analysis for the most part, and I especially found it weird that Palmar proposed the no-day lynch, which indicates him to be maybe scum. However, I'm not sure how far Palmar posting "useless" stuff would go in proving he was scum; from what I read of XLVII (admittedly the only time I saw Palmar play), he just likes to post huge amounts of text, whether it might be immediately useful or not; seems to me he's just throwing his thoughts out there, hardly a scum tell. [/QUOTE] good that my case isn't on him posting huge amounts of text. | ||
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On December 05 2011 13:11 Soap wrote: I don't get day start, no one did nothing and we have nothing to analyze. I'm rnging. ##Vote Drazerk jesus christ we have 19 pages | ||
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On December 05 2011 13:26 Refallen wrote: Yeah uh, let's not vote people for no reason why are you voting soap? | ||
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he made this post On November 26 2011 10:44 Soap wrote: Ugh, there's so little information and scum are free to bury any tell under piles of nonsense and fingerpointing, as I'm sure it's being done. This will be most valuable in retrospective and I feel town should simulate a close vote to entice mafia to root for their candidate(s), but Palmer flew away in the popularity contest. So I'm protest voting for sinani206. on page 68 of xlvii, and he was town. | ||
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On December 05 2011 14:30 Refallen wrote: I haven't been "jumping on easy votes" at all, I didn't agree with Palmar/Corrupt and said so, and I also laid out my reasoning why I thought Soap was scum. Obviously, I wasn't aware of prior metagame history which makes me think that he isn't so scummy anymore. On December 05 2011 13:26 Refallen wrote: Yeah uh, let's not vote people for no reason you didn't lay out your reasoning. mighty defensive after a little suspicion aren't you? | ||
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meh palmar you're ok for now can't get over corrupt saying "so many suspicious people" and then only being able to list 1 and then ignoring my pushing of the issue. ##Vote Corrupt | ||
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On December 05 2011 21:51 Corrupt wrote: Already wrote about that post in the previous page. I'm curious why you keep making a big deal out of it. I answered both of your questions and you claim I ignored you? I listed 2 people, not 1. You convinced Zephirdd to vote against me based on.. let's say.. nothing. Now all of a sudden you suspend your case on Palmar, unvote and go for me? Sounds like a plan. 2 people is not "so many" | ||
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On December 05 2011 23:54 hyshes wrote: Nice way to create a base to try to lynch those guys on day 2.. Anyway, I'm sorry for my current inactivity. It's my birthday and there was a supriseparty yesterday. Today i have dinner with friends so won't be posting much either. I thought i would only lose 1 night due to my birthday (tonight) but a supriseparty made that 2. I read through the thread and have a question. The palmar case seems to be a gathering of little things to me, could someone (preferable one of the voters) explain the case to me? you're taking something from sandro's post that he didn't imply. all he's saying is that they're good and as town are likely to be shot n1. He's not saying if they are alive day 2 they're scum... Palmar case is explained, read my filter. He's kind of trolling the thread at this stage though. | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote: Syllogism - This game Last Game (Town) Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here? | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:17 prplhz wrote: I think TruthBringer and vaderseven are best lynch candidates for today. I will vote TruthBringer over vaderseven because I think he's more likely to flip scum. I don't like lynching Zephirdd or Corrupt. I think Palmar has been uncharacteristically useless so far but I wouldn't consider him for day1 lynch. sandroba and syllogism are basically confirmed to me and I think that Radfield is looking good too. @supersoft What do you think about my case on TruthBringer? You commented on one case on TruthBringer but not the other. what do you mean by basically confirmed? | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:33 Mattchew wrote: Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different. Also, Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me. how does it "feel" different, that's incredibly vague. | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:34 vaderseven wrote: @corrupt By posting style I mean that I have played with people that post short 1-2 liners and then don't scum hunt while voting in a randomish fashion. I was hoping you would vote and put down some real reasons if pressured. At least you joined the conversation. ##unvote I was waiting for Palmer to post his defense before I pointed out the fallacy of the case (his list was an answer to a question) and I like his defense. I hate his current vote. Redff- So your case on Palmer is defunct and was based on a missreading of things. You are now voting corrupt in what I would say was the first true bandwagon vote of the game. I think you are acting scummy with this set of actions. About me- I don't really get the case on me. If someone would spell it out ill reply to it. Let the day of posting via phone begin (aka good morning thread). Oh and ##vote redff i was the first and main person to call corrupt out. yes i misread the list but there was more than just the list in my case so i do not consider my case on him defunct. | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:40 vaderseven wrote: Did draz explain his bandwagon corrupt vote I see in the voting thread? drazerk isn't voting corrupt. | ||
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On December 05 2011 19:28 Palmar wrote: you don't even respond to my point here. I say you subtly put suspicion on him, and you don't deny that you did that. You also don't give a reason as to why you did that.I know you know how syllogism and I play with each other. If I want him lynched people are going to notice. And not to mention, I have no interest in lynching syllogism day 1 as scum or town, I know he can be lazy as either alignment, and his scumplay isn't particularly scary so far, while his town play is some of the best on TL. So yeah, this statement doesn't hold any value, your case is irrelevant. Please pull head out of ass. | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:47 Mattchew wrote: in this game he is supporting a veteran naming "zodiac list" where as last game he was against acting on veterans and it seems like his stance on pointing out veterans to new players has changed. in the last game he was against having a list for detectives iirc. I don't remember him being against giving medics a list of veterans to consider protecting. | ||
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On December 05 2011 14:20 redFF wrote: haha he made this post on page 68 of xlvii, and he was town. did you not see this post vader? | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:00 vaderseven wrote: I assume a fake day action gets you modkilled so yes I'm srs. I think soap wasn't going to add anything and the Meta on him is weak cuz there isn't thing townhouse about his play last game except his flip. I think his play last game was a fine motivation for choosing him. when he did virtually the exact same thing as he did in a previous game as town? god damn man. You're a 1 shot dayvig and you used your shot day 1? On a dude with 1 post exactly fitting his town meta? jesus christ. | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:00 vaderseven wrote: I assume a fake day action gets you modkilled so yes I'm srs. I think soap wasn't going to add anything and the Meta on him is weak cuz there isn't thing townhouse about his play last game except his flip. I think his play last game was a fine motivation for choosing him. so you're saying hes probably town but useless so worth vigging anyway? | ||
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On December 06 2011 02:03 Palmar wrote: I think the only reasonable way to proceed is to lynch redFF. :derp: | ||
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On December 06 2011 01:47 supersoft wrote: no he doesnt. now shoot someone. if you hit scum, you live another day. On December 06 2011 01:53 supersoft wrote: lol why soap? :-( MVP right now... i highly doubt he's scum. why didn't you specify who you thought he should shoot in your previous post? | ||
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On December 06 2011 04:29 vaderseven wrote: That's retarded. Lieing to see if someone is lieing doesn't help to clarify anything. you still have to post your notes | ||
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On December 06 2011 06:34 Palmar wrote: Better than lynching townies (refer to cosmic horror where I forced a no-lynch to save a townie). this is day 1, we need a lynch of some sort. | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:07 syllogism wrote: It's not rare for town to have a role like that and in a setup with this scum ratio, it makes sense. The fact it is anonymous is slightly scummier, but claiming the role as scum makes little sense except as a gambit. it is rare, give me some normal games which have had this type of role | ||
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##Vote Palmar | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:07 Erandorr wrote: Yeah that was smart. Still read it tho and tell me what you think about it for the next day. NOPE | ||
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w/e its better than nolynch and i guess he could be scum. | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:45 Radfield wrote: Red do you really think Palmar is scum? What happened to this: Also: At this point you surely recognize Palmar is not getting 13 votes today. Hier, with your switch, almost certainly will. that's why i switched | ||
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On December 06 2011 10:42 Risen wrote: Then what's the point of meta at all? Oh he's acting how he did that one time, he must be town. He's acting like he did that one time, makes him more scummy imo. Seems like using meta at all is just WIFOM b/c the person in question has to know he's being looked at. So that means we should just build a case against him based on what he's done in this thread. yeah yeah sure whatever | ||
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On December 06 2011 22:38 Corrupt wrote: I am with you on this one. There's something fishy about him and lately with all the non-productive one-liners he posts, I'm starting to have a stronger feeling on him. Okey so, in the start he did some scumhunting, made a case on Palmar and proved to be very agressive in his search for information. I read this as an attempt of establishing himself as a Green player (which I think he succeeded to do). Then what he does is switching his vote from Palmar (his original case) to me. After I ask for his argument, he just ignores me with this line: <2 people is not "so many"> And never sayis anything in addition to the subject. Okey, good, but later.. This happens: He just goes: ..What? YOU MAKE NO SENSE | ||
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On December 06 2011 23:23 vaderseven wrote: Ya the fact that I have buyer's remorse over my choice of target makes me start to agree at least a bit that my action was used in haste. LOL | ||
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On December 06 2011 09:47 redFF wrote: it is rare, give me some normal games which have had this type of role waiting on this | ||
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syllo: that's not a normal game | ||
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so yes it's rare, especially for a normal game. | ||
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On December 07 2011 01:35 syllogism wrote: There is a fine line between normal and themed games. Double voter is a standard role and from what I have seen more often town than not. The fact the vote is anonymous is just makes it a variation of it. Do you think the fact whether Flordidian is a town role or not has any relevance as to whether the came is considered themed or not? The answer is no. I assume you don't believe drazerk's claim at all then either, because that most certainly is not a normal role. it's more that you said it was a common role when it isn't | ||
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On December 07 2011 04:27 Lanaia wrote: Can't we all just listen to him? + Show Spoiler + On December 06 2011 10:44 Incognito wrote: Enough with the SPAM. Stop posting one liners or there will be Posts like these: as well as the other one liners are unacceptable. Please consolidate your posting and keep this thread readable. Thanks! Christ, red, talk more than one line per post. I know you do this all the goddamn time but it's annoying as all hell. I mean, it's more than just red but he's doing it the most from what I can see. A post consisting entirely of "LOL" and a quote is not something that is productive nor is it helpful to the game in any way, shape, or form. Of course, if you fuck up something in your post, I don't blame you for an EBWOP. And a question... Is posting your views at night really all that good for town? I mean, it kind of just paints targets (or anti-targets) everywhere, doesn't it? At daybreak I'll reread the thread and post my scumreads. I won't be active much during the night today because I have a huge accounting project I need to get done. this post says nothing. | ||
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I was more commenting on how bad the wagon was than whether palmar was town or not. | ||
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On December 07 2011 10:43 Zephirdd wrote: Still on Radfield, I feel that way too but the thing is: if he isn't scum, he is doing a great job. If he is scum, he is playing really well. Should we come to that, Radfield should be our lowest priority in anything. redFF gives me an odd feeling. He is acting retarded, as if he was trying to be so annoying that people end up ignoring him(see Serejai on XLVII). Any and every all-caps post from him were retarded, and he seems lazy when writing. However, his last response is at very least decent. I'm completely null on him. if i'm retarded then you are??? | ||
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On December 07 2011 10:43 VisceraEyes wrote: All right! Jeez, if I'm gonna have to drag every little thing out of you, just let me know. So is it fair to assume that at the time, your suspicion of Palmar was still 'there'..as in, you were still AS suspicious of him as you were when you placed your vote on him? maybe a little less because syllo asked him to post that pointless list, plus his posting seemed better. but then he just looked scummy again. | ||
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On December 07 2011 11:27 Zephirdd wrote: retarded posts =/= retarded person. This post I'm quoting is an example of that. Also, what is the fucking point of double-posting like you do. You can use Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V and browser tabs to consolidate your posts on a single one, you don't need to hit the Post button everytime you want to make a paragraph. This creates a false feeling of contribution when in fact you aren't doing anything. Shape up please. (and with that I'm off to bed) False, making pointless paragraphs like the one above creates a false feeling of contribution when in fact you aren't doing anything. | ||
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it could be 1 shot vig, 1 shot tracker, 1 shot cop or it could be 1 shot watcher, 1 shot medic, 1 shot roleblocker this is how i've experienced the role anyways | ||
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On December 07 2011 13:49 vaderseven wrote: Does it mean anything that only one of the two players that died had flavor/story behind the death? Does that indicate a non scum kill? they both have flavor | ||
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@VisceraEyes I appreciate the effort but Palmar isn't getting lynched today and there are 5 other scum out there for you to catch right? Focus on somebody else. This is from prplz. Why isn't palmar getting lynched today? Why are you trying to get VE to stop attacking someone for no reason? You say "5 other scum" implying that palmar IS actually scum. This looks like a slip to me but even if it isn't this sentence is still scummy as fuck. | ||
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You should know better than this redFF. this makes me more sure | ||
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You're saying i remind you of serejai in xlvii when he was town in that.. so your point is what exactly? I still mantain that anyone trying to nolynch yesterday was anti-town. If corrupt's case is mildly bad, then what the hell is yours??? | ||
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On December 08 2011 01:39 Mattchew wrote: I am slowly becoming more and more ok with lynching Palmar, and if he flips red following with the lynching V7. Red and Eran still waiting on the roles you claim to be blocked from doing... One of them could be mafia and had their KP blocked hahahahahahahah rolefish much? im not telling you shit. | ||
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On December 08 2011 05:37 Mattchew wrote: I am keeping my ##vote redFF because I have yet to see a case against someone I truly believe in. If someone can start a movement towards erandorr with a little more of a case then I can be swayed that way. this post is so scummy I don't even. but fuck it there's bigger fish to fry Palmar has no goddamn scumreads On December 04 2011 22:42 Palmar wrote: syllo flipping town only reinforces my previous point about this being a way to plant seeds of doubts towards a very strong town player's alignment.Annoying may not be the word you use, but just think about our last game as town together where I was running for mayor. Your approach towards me is not the same. In addition, how would you feel about randomly lynching on day 1. I mean completely random, we just have some kinda rng generator choose our lynch for the day. palmar suggesting random lynching day 1?I'll direct you guys to last game where palmar was town(xlvii) In the last 7 games I have played as town, I have successfully pushed for mafia lynch on day 1 this is a town player incredibly confident in his day 1 play. Palmar has caught scum day 1 before multiple times before, yet this game he is ok with random lynching???come on... maybe it was a joke, maybe we'll see some scumhunting!!! On December 06 2011 01:02 Palmar wrote: ok I'm a dayvig. Post your notes, every single one, unedited in the next 1 hour or I kill you. oh no of course not sorry, we'll just see some incredibly ott and unnecessary move to get vader to post his notes. you could've just asked... All this move from palmar does is make it look like he is actively scumhunting. You wanna know something else? V7 still hasn't posted his notes, and palmar does not give a fuck. On December 06 2011 01:42 Palmar wrote: Ok awesome. Now you have to shoot someone. May I suggest you kill Drazerk? he had provided no reasoning as to how drazerk was scum, he just followed soap and then demanded v7 to shoot him. I'm not scum, just look at the people who are on my wagon, only newbies and bad people. Not a single one out of the people that actually try to play mafia with any kind of brain activity are trying to get me killed. by saying this, Palmar attempts to make it out that everyone on his wagon is terrible/dumb, and that you shouldn't vote him unless you're terrible/dumb. nobody wants to be terrible/dumb right? It's an easy way to deter people (especially newbs) from voting him, without actually defending himself or talk about the game.On December 06 2011 06:33 Palmar wrote: That's because it's logical. Do you know why people like Radfield, Jackal, Syllo, Sandroba, redFF are the people I listed as good when the game started? It's because they're capable of reading a situation like this and understanding what the hell is going on. references the vets, buddies up to us, more calling everyone voting him bad. On December 06 2011 08:49 Palmar wrote: i already pointed out while palmar's case is fallacious, but once again. he compares a case made early day 1 to a case made late day 2. Of coures the day 2 case is going to be better/have more information. :derp:##Vote Hier Based on a few things I'd like to vote Hier. I think voting for syllogism without good reasons early in the game makes no sense. Especially after Hier should've learned that he cannot assume that his logic is solid after XLVII. In addition, I feel the tone/direction of the case is different. His case against me in XLVII looked like it was reasonably genuine, just using naive reasoning. This case on the other hand looks like it's much more forced with a lot less content behind it. Just read it yourselves, here is his case this game: And here is his case from XLVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12474384 Here's his XLVII filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=55311&user=55311 Notice that a right after posting the initial case against me, he's around, willing to argue his ideas, keeps pushing it, because he genuinely thinks that this is the correct way to move forward. However, he didn't even post again after presenting his case against syllogism this game. Never mind actually trying to make something out of that case. I can't help but feel Hier has no actual intention of getting syllogism lynched and is simply content with not being called out. My vote, and the extra vote, are going on hier ##Unvote ##Vote Hier On December 06 2011 10:21 Palmar wrote: I'm town, you're terrible at mafia. By the way, I need to sleep it's 1am at my time. If I get lynched. Everyone on this wagon should take a good long hard look at their play, because there is a reason all the players who are commonly considered good have stayed the hell away from my lynch. I know my play hasn't been very productive in this game, I wanted to have a laid back/fun game after the massive pain in the ass that was XLVII. I wanted to play casually and troll around a bit, so I was happy when I got town with a fairly non-important role. That doesn't change the fact that that nothing about my play has been scummy. Anyone saying that is simply incorrect, a fact that will be proven by my lynch. I want that to sink in. If I do get lynched, you guys are taking active stance against some of the best players TL has to offer, and have the audacity to dare think you're right. You obviously aren't, but feel free to fail before you believe me. There is no excuse for voting me at this time. You will not be able to say "But Palmar was playing badly", because that doesn't make me scum. Bad != scum. And you will not be able to say that we had no better lynch, because a no-lynch is preferable to killing townies. Remember that, when/if I flip. This may be the most polarizing lynch I've ever seen in mafia, seperating good players from bad players. I am fully aware I made myself a target. Does that make me mafia? Hell no. There are only two reasons to be on my wagon when I flip. a) You're incredibly bad b) You're scum Good night. this post is similar to his give up post in xlvii, and it's intentionally made to look the same. Did palmar think he was going to be lynched yesterday? HELL NAWW, but he posted this anyway. Once again calling everyone voting him bad, his wagon terrible etc...while not talking about anything game related. you know what the best part is. An anonymous vote is such a fucking scummy ability, you can put it anywhere and nobody will be any wiser, but instead palmar claimed it. He's doing this in a way to make him seem pro-town by claiming a scummy role in a townie way. But instead of putting his extra vote to good use and using it to pressure people day 1(which he has a fucking excellent track record as as town), he put it on fucking hier, a wagon that sprang up like 6 hours before day end. I applaud the ballsiness of the claim palmar, but it isn't enough. you're mafia. | ||
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On December 08 2011 06:44 Mattchew wrote: once again.. people assuming scum based off accusations on themselves. prplz is probably palmar's buddy. | ||
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@rad i agree to some extent and i would be fine with a prplz lynch today @VisceraEyes I appreciate the effort but Palmar isn't getting lynched today and there are 5 other scum out there for you to catch right? Focus on somebody else. prplz why isn't palmar getting lynched today? And is this a scumslip? | ||
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On December 08 2011 07:45 prplhz wrote: @redFF He is not getting lynched because he is not scum. How the hell is that even supposed to be a scumslip? Do you think that VisceraEyes is doing any good with his tunneling, or do you think that his opinion becomes tainted by the fact that he can't stop obsessing about Palmar? Do you think it is easy to read VisceraEyes when he is tunneling as hard as I have ever seen anybody tunnel? What do you think about sandroba saying that you're probably town, you just can't form a coherent thought this game? What do you think about Mattchew? dodge the question more yo | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Prplhz | ||
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I applaud the ballsiness of the claim palmar, but it isn't enough. you're mafia. what are peoples thoughts on this? | ||
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On December 08 2011 19:40 TruthBringer wrote: ##unvote Palmar I am unvoting Palmar not because his play seems very townie to me, but because as people have pointed out, his role in the hands of the mafia would further unbalance the game. (Access to 7/26 votes at start.) Also, I really feel that his anonymous vote ability would have done a lot more harm to the town if he had kept it anonymous. People would have spent time reading into it, trying to figure out who it was, etc. One of the nice things about believing Palmar to be mafia was that there was a cascade effect to find the other mafia, certain people having helped him when he was in trouble. I still do feel like lynching him and seeing his flip would provide some clarity about other people's alignments. I like the case against Erandorr, but what I don't like about lynching Erandorr is that I don't feel like lynching him provides us with much more information. He hasn't really been a hot topic, like Palmar has so we just won't get as much information from lynching him as we would from Palmar. Nonetheless, Palmar's Floridian role and his willingness to remove the anonymity make me think he is town and therefore, I will ##vote Erandorr how do you know how the game is balanced? Mafia could very well have 7/26 votes, we've already had like 4 pr claims and its day 2, who knows how this game is balanced? | ||
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On December 08 2011 23:55 Mattchew wrote: Palmar, would you go Lynch for Lynch with Annul. If he flips town you get lynched next? everything you post is so hilariously scummy why are you even asking this? | ||
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##Vote Palmar the slowness of this wagon and the amount of protest from people like prplhz and his awful case against annul is enough. | ||
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I don't get this, how have I been useless? I made the first case of day 1, have been active in thread, have been transparent with my reads. It's just annoying getting called useless by some random dude in his second game with no reasoning... | ||
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Annul's role makes perfect sense especially with vader's matching up. Rad how is the floridian such an obviously town role this game? | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:09 vaderseven wrote: ##unvote palmar ##vote redff redff is teh best choice and I can accept a no lynch over him if desired but Palmar and annul are not good choices. why am i the best choice... | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:07 vaderseven wrote: I just took this in. Palmar's role sounds fucking town now. ##unvote thats the traditional mafia wincon... | ||
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palmar's role is scummy to null, there's no way it's a likely town role, as wherever i've seen it it's been scum. it makes so much more fucking sense as a scum role than a town role. AN ANONYMOUS VOTE. IF IT WAS TOWN WHY NOT JUST A DOUBLE VOTE. I CANT BELIVE YOU FUCKS AREN'T ACTUALLY LYNCHING PALMAR. ANNUL YOU'RE TERRIBLE WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST HAVE THE BALLS TO SHOOT PALMAR IN THE FACE BLARRRRHRHRHRHHRHRHRHRHRR | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:16 vaderseven wrote: No its different. Traditional is 50% of the players. This specifically states control the vote. so how does that make palmar's role town exactly??? doesn't it also make it scummy, as it helps further scum's wincon if he's scum??? | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:18 vaderseven wrote: Because the win condition specifically is about gaining control of the vote. Honestly I feel BETTER about a no lynch but you are the one I feel best if we lynch. First time I have ever said that EVER. so the extra vote for scum would help them get their win con??? | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:32 Mattchew wrote: anyone on palmar looks really scummy v7 just gave concrete proof hes town hahahaha you can't be serious | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:38 Mattchew wrote: palmar and annul got cleared by v7 HOW THE FUCK DID THEY GET CLEARED | ||
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i don't understand that... and yes i've said annul is town all along. Palmar looks scummy for pushing this terrible wagon on him. | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:47 redFF wrote: Please elaborate on how palmar is the "vote that keeps town in the game" i don't understand that... . | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:56 vaderseven wrote: The thing is annul is so surely town that a vote for him is a vote for town. :/ Redff has a posting style justs really isn't helpful at times (the one liners) and his defense seems very much a scummy defense. because mattchew's is so much better. i disagree i get shit done and my style imo works. the difference between last game and this game is that my townplay is so much more aggressive than my scum play. experienced people know this. i am not at all confident with my scumplay, i think its bad, so i stick to laying under the radar and NOT being agressive(sometimes you gotta be but most of the time the best way to describe my scumplay is apathetic). that is not the case this game lol | ||
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On December 09 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote: I think that is the fault of redff's nature, not your scum hunting ability. From what I've read, redff looks sincerely town, and his posts make my eyes hurt. HAS PALMAR 100% PROVEN HE IS FLORIDIAN? no | ||
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On December 06 2011 08:27 Mattchew wrote: Im ##vote redFF his posts are all one liners and offer literally nothing. He originally voted Palmar then hoped off that when others starting voting him. He is now trying to start a corrupt bandwagon leading me to believe that palmar and corrupt are town as well. On December 07 2011 02:36 Mattchew wrote: Don't worry red only I am making a case for you... Corrupt is just jumping on because you wanted to vote for him On December 07 2011 02:37 Mattchew wrote: This would require more than one line so dont expect a response from red this game On December 08 2011 05:37 Mattchew wrote: I am keeping my ##vote redFF because I have yet to see a case against someone I truly believe in. If someone can start a movement towards erandorr with a little more of a case then I can be swayed that way. On December 08 2011 06:44 Mattchew wrote: once again.. people assuming scum based off accusations on themselves. On December 09 2011 10:11 Mattchew wrote: kill redFF mason toad On December 09 2011 11:25 Mattchew wrote: rad... please look really really closely at redFF On December 09 2011 12:26 Mattchew wrote: redFF... annul and refallen and everyone else thats reading this... please look closely at him and his terrible defense of himself On December 09 2011 12:31 Mattchew wrote: BUMA LYNCH REDFF AND REF DO IT TOO On December 09 2011 12:32 Mattchew wrote: anyone on palmar looks really scummy v7 just gave concrete proof hes town On December 09 2011 12:38 Mattchew wrote: palmar and annul got cleared by v7 On December 09 2011 12:48 Mattchew wrote: WE HAVE 10 FUCKING MINUTES PEOPLE ITS redFF OR NO LYNCH... YOU DECIDE from now on this guy is a vi policy lynch every game I ever play. jesus christ. | ||
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On December 06 2011 00:43 Mattchew wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=122881¤tpage=3 Red's last game where he is mafia. A ton of 1 liners that basically say nothing. This game he has been hoping all over people aggressively and been contributing a lot more. hey look im town! On December 06 2011 08:27 Mattchew wrote: Im ##vote redFF his posts are all one liners and offer literally nothing. He originally voted Palmar then hoped off that when others starting voting him. He is now trying to start a corrupt bandwagon leading me to believe that palmar and corrupt are town as well. oh no wait im scum, 8 hours sure changes a lot. dat case is solid as fuck too yo | ||
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Unless palmar's scumbuddy is a floridian as well he's not confirmed floridian, you're never confirmed until you flip. | ||
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On December 10 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote: Palmar your arrogance is making the rest of us seem "ignorant"... How about for 24 hours you assume annul is town. Go after someone, anyone, else please, even if its me. really? you're telling him to stop tunneling? | ||
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On December 10 2011 00:53 Mattchew wrote: Red, I have accused you of being scummy. You are not my ONLY scum read that I speak of in this thread. You can quote me saying vote for red 40 times because they are all within a couple hours of the lynching deadline when I was trying to push for your lynching. I am not calling people names for not voting you I am simply trying to show people what I believe and hoping they come to the same conclusions. You have another 72 hours to convince me that you are not scum. What do you, redFF, think of these players - this is not my scumlist or townlist its just a list of people being less discussed Hyshes Jackal Sandroba Truthbringer Corrupt - now xsksc Lanaia Risen Visceraeyes you want me to give mafia a comprehensive threat assessment list at the start of the nigh? I'll wait until day if I even decide to answer you. | ||
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Palmar can you use your vote to enact a double lynch by voting 2 people at the same time? | ||
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not sure how its safe to assume annul is scum if palmar is town. if you were wrong why couldn't he be? i should reread. | ||
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On December 12 2011 06:52 TruthBringer wrote: Let's all vote redFF. It doesn't seem like anyone thinks he isn't scummy, whereas there is plenty of reasonable doubt on drazerk and annul. THIS POST AND IM SCUMMY? | ||
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On December 12 2011 13:09 Mattchew wrote: I suck at this game. fuck. yep | ||
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