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On December 11 2011 18:40 evantrees wrote: I laughed at the Sample Vanilla Town Role PM in the OP and hurray it did fill. I wonder how the hydras will work out.
Yeah lol.
/in
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On December 12 2011 00:28 kitaman27 wrote: Curu and Erandorr will be playing together as a hydra under the name ProfessorBadass. I knew I should have said no to Palmar/syllo -_-
You sure you want to say no to us?
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On December 12 2011 00:33 kitaman27 wrote:I think this one might be more accurate:
So thats what a Canadian-German Archon looks like O.o
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On December 12 2011 00:38 supersoft wrote: the canadian part is obviously the one where the look comes from :-D
Racist!
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Well first thing's first:
Palmar is scum.
Palmar and I have a long history of never rolling the same alignment. Since I am Town this game Palmar must indeed be scum.
Also I am running for Mayor.
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This candidacy is endorsed by GMarshal.
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Why am I running for Mayor?
I am infinitely smart, suave, charismatic, modest, able, active, amazing, modest, and honest. And Erandorr's not bad either.
Anyone who has played with me will know I give my all in regards to activity and scumhunting every game that I am in. I will never avoid the game or lose interest. My biggest pet peeve ever is Townies who expect to be mindlessly carried or don't keep an active interest in the game.
Am I a better player than syllogism/Palmar/Radfield? Probably not. But I would not say I am bad either; in nearly all games where I was Town I have rooted out at least one scum and played a part in Town victories. I believe I am more than capable of contributing to Town and I know that I am Town; I do not know that about them.
In regards to Arctocod and Radfield, I would very strongly prefer Arctocod simply based on meta. Palmar's scum play is relatively disinterested and obvious and syllogism's consists of never posting anything. Radfield is a different story though, he twirled the Town around his fingers in LOTR Mafia, securing multiple mislynches and leading the Town by the nose. He would have led Mafia into a crushing victory had a third party not taken him out of the game during the night.
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Alright well I guess it's time I pull myself away from DotA 2 and trough through the thread before I turn into sinani. My brain's been full of checking for runes every 2 minutes and the rage of trying to distinguish which players are horrible on my team.
Radfield/Arctocod are the runaway leaders for offices, I'd like to ideally see it as Radfield Mayor and Palmar Pardoner. Obviously Pardoner is far more powerful and I'd rather see it on the person whose scum play is more transparent. Someone posted asking why I said Palmar is a poor scum player; in every game I've played with him where he is scum he has been thoroughly disinterested and did random scummy crap, making himself apparent very early. Once again Radfield is a much stronger scum player.
Lynch-wise nyczbrandon looks like the obvious choice with a few posts containing absolute crap.
I really don't like what DropBear's posting here:
On December 12 2011 15:09 DropBear wrote:
I don't think voting for any of the hydras is a good idea, they are hydras because they don't have the time/effort to be involved individually. Vote for a single player people.
This just smells like making up a reason to try to fit an agenda. Don't vote for hydras because they don't have time? I think this is the last reason for people to hydra together. For example (I don't know other ones' motivations) my reason for hydra-ing was because Erandorr begged me so he could get the opportunity to play with Liquid`Sheth. Yet even then he doesn't bother to post while I am carrying all day in DotA 2. Talk about ungrateful.
Anyways back to the point this really smells like agenda pushing to justify the election. There is almost no reason to prefer Radfield in office over syllogism/Palmar due to them being roughly equal Town players but Radfield being a far more dangerous scum player. This seems like DropBear fishing for a reason to try to sway Radfield into office; even if Arctocod were to be elected, he's pushing the ensure the other position isn't held by another hydra. This point is further pushed by another player:
On December 12 2011 22:13 risk.nuke wrote: Curu how can you say Palmars scumplay is obvious? Anyway, okey so basicly Radfield spoke up first on the vote veterans topic and none of the other had any disagreement. Of the involved players I feel most sure on Radfield and we should work together to ensure he becomes Pardoner. I'm not sure who else I want to elect. I don't want to see the Deus-ex or TnTp in office because I think they will be to tough to get a read on. I'm still onsure on The Professor and Arctocod but both I'm leaning against for office
Also GiygaS is scummy bastard.
Hidey ho, another one pushing the same idea as DropBear. No explanation of why he prefers Radfield, same random aversion to having a hydra in office. Note that these posts come in the most crucial time of the election cycle as well, the one where the initial few votes are going to snowball into the situation we have right now.
There isn't time to change the elections obviously but IMO we really should be working to make Arctocod the Pardoner especially with Radfield's push of "the Pardoner isn't strong in Mafia hands anyways." A Mafia Pardoner puts the Mafia win condition at Town - 2, basically ensuring that LYLO comes 3 days early. That's insanely powerful. Yeah you aren't going to be able to use it reliably early in the game but once late game swings around it's a huge boon for Mafia.
I'll post more later. I've read up to page 15 but DotA 2 calls!
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Hey Palmar why haven't you suggested your RNG day 1 vote this game? IIRC you've done it every single game lately as Town.
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Since when were Nisani or Jitsu under suspicion?
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On December 14 2011 05:52 Radfield wrote: I don't particularly agree with a sheth vote. He's active, contributing and working out his thoughts in thread. Seems fine to me for now. Zentor should not be lynched today, he looks like the worst lynch of our options. Zeks looks fine, and so does gigyas.
However, I would be completely fine lynching profBadass right now. Nothing I have seen from him so far makes me think he is town. His last post stated he was up to page 15, yet he just responded to arctocod within 1 minute.... so I really hope he's working on a post regarding the last 12 pages.
Refallen and xsksc are also good lynches. I want to look through their history first though.
Not really, I've read the rest. I don't really agree with the cases on either zeks or Zentor, DB/risk.nuke/you remain the most suspicious with the election agenda.
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I'm liking Spaackle, DropBear, or risk.nuke as lynches right now. nyczbrandon's posts are hella bad but read a bit more as derp Townie.
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Sheth who do you wanna kill?
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I really don't see the deal with Zentor. Nothing in his posts tells me about him either way.
I've already explained my DropBear/risk.nuke/Radfield part. Spaackle's posts just all seem fluff and I didn't like his last big post. He neglected to discuss anyone with any votes or current topics, instead posting about Nisani and Jitsu; would be fine if he thought they were scummy but he brought them up randomly and then called them Town. I don't see the point of writing a big long analysis on two people who aren't in remote danger of being lynched and calling them Town.
It's real easy to call people Town when you're Mafia but accusing people of being Mafia is far tougher.
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xsksc what separates Marser from people like nyczbrandon for you? There are tons of people voting for idiotic reasons or abstaining from voting at all.
Just look at how the election went off, sheepvotes aren't exactly the outlier in this game.
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I would agree with you if it was sinani, Palmar, but I don't see anything particularly damning about Nisani and he has been trying to actually play the game lately. sinani and Coagulation are the only policy lynches I would absolutely get behind regardless of what they've posted.
On December 14 2011 09:26 Spaackle wrote: @ProfBA I explained in my last post that I wasn't really doing my analysis in any sort of order, just what order my tabs ended up in. I posted what I had because I needed to leave and I wanted to get at least some information out before I went.
Also, to pick who I analyzed, I skimmed the thread and pulled up the filter of anyone who had been suspected of being scum. My method for doing it may not have been the best, but I'm trying to fix that for the rest of my analysis.
Alright tell me right now who you would like lynched. You're clearly here and have been for at least an hour so your analysis should have found something by now.
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And I don't want "this guy looks Townie" get down and dirty and paint someone red for me.
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Clock's ticking!
You don't need to post a big analysis, just tell me who you've found to be scummy Mr. Spaackle.
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He looks just like any other useless non-poster.
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It doesn't make sense that Arctocod would simply withdraw from the election (is that even possible?). It is far more likely that either Arcto has a role (Miller type?) that leaves him unable to get elected or someone has a role that blocks candidacies. Palmar can you confirm you didn't do anything by yourself?
In the case of the latter it must almost certainly be in the hands of the Mafia because there is absolutely zero reason for a Townie to make a move like that. Mayor/Pardoner isn't a hugely strong power in the hands of a Townie, IMO there are three main motivations for a move like that:
1) To deny Arctocod from the Bodyguard protection 2) To get Mafia elected into the roles where it is far more powerful 3) That Arctocod is Mafia and this gives him "confirmed Town" status
I highly doubt number 3 is a realistic option since there were absolutely no suspicions against Arctocod and a move like that would be a complete waste when he was already well on his way to becoming Pardoner.
I strongly believe number 1 is the real option because after Radfield/Arctocod I was the next one with any buzz for election.
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Deadline is in 2 hours and we need an election vote and a lynch vote.
After Radfield and syllo/Palmar I believe that I am the strongest Townie player. Anyone who is elected into the position now will be under heavy scrutiny due to the circumstances that just transpired. That's fine, I have nothing to hide and I believe rendering me unkillable will be the most beneficial action for Town.
Spaackle don't you dare leave now, what do you think of risk.nuke?
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We need people here and active soon. Don't let one of the roles fall into scum hands because everyone was apathetic and a few random votes secured it.
Regardless of whether you think I am Town or not realize that as Town I am one of the more beneficial members. Anyone who is elected into office right now will be under an intense microscope and that's fine, if I'm Mafia then I'm under heavy scrutiny from the get-go which isn't a desirable position for a Mafia member.
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RNG is a fucking awful idea, realize that the only benefit the role serves for Town is to provide the night protection while it falling into scum hands accelerates lylo drastically.
If it falls into Town's hands through RNG luck then you most likely have it on a player where it's worthless and that wasn't ever going to get shot anyways, if it falls into Mafia's hands through RNG luck then you're pretty fucked.
Electing someone in these circumstances makes sure that they are HEAVILY watched which puts massive pressure on whoever is in office. If it's a Townie that's fine, they'll show their true colours soon enough and if it's a Mafia then that pressure is going to be insanely disadvantageous.
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I realize most of you haven't played with me before but I have never made it to an endgame without being killed as Town and as I mentioned before I have been instrumental in catching scum in every Town game I've played in.
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Every post in the game has been Curu, I don't even know where Erandorr is. He kept monstrously crashing in DotA 2 so I'm guessing he has PC problems or something.
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risk.nuke what's your motivation for running for election?
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On December 14 2011 10:27 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:24 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: yeah, i see the arcto ability.
okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched? Radfield has been highly suspicious of ProfessorBA Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth The timing of when ProfessorBA came out to run and the fact that he got so much more active during this time period concerns me Voting deus
Go look through past games and find where supersoft has -ever- been killed as a Townie. If he is Town then you are giving minimal benefits whereas if he is Mafia then you are fucking the Town. High risk low reward.
You have not said a word against me before but now all of a sudden you think I am Mafia because Radfield said so? If I am Town then you ensure I cannot get shot, if I am Mafia then I am putting myself under serious pressure by being in office.
Yeah I haven't been that active over the past few days because I've been playing DotA 2 nonstop with Mig. Mig hasn't been online at all this past day so here I am.
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And restricting the voting to only hydras is also retarded. If sinani and Nisani are a hydra would you vote for them? Hell fucking no.
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If you had been reading the thread at all you would know who I am.
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On December 14 2011 10:35 prplhz wrote: Something that everybody needs to realize is that the only reason scum would even want to be mayor/pardoner is to deny Radfield and Arctocod the position. While it is very likely that scum are responsible for Arctocod pulling out of the race, it is very unlikely that they did this so that they could get the spot. People like ProfessorBadass are in no way more scummy just because this happened and ProfessorBadass is around.
I still think whoever is elected into office still needs to be heavily watched. Pardoner is insanely strong in Mafia hands when it gets near the end of the game, we absolutely cannot allow a Mafia Pardoner to live even close to lylo.
Give me the position and watch me heavily, as I've said like a broken record if I am Town then this is hugely beneficial and if I am scum then I am already starting at a disadvantage. The Pardoner powers aren't going to be used until endgame (Townies have no reason to, Mafia can't until it ensures a victory) so you'll have plenty of time to read me before then.
risk your candidacy looks hella bad because you didn't even attempt to run in the first iteration of the election. Why weren't you worried then? Were you that sure of Radfield and Arctocod being Town? You said yourself before that you were against Arctocod for office, why didn't you run then to "keep it out of scum's hands?"
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On December 14 2011 10:42 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:32 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 14 2011 10:27 zeks wrote:On December 14 2011 10:24 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote: yeah, i see the arcto ability.
okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched? Radfield has been highly suspicious of ProfessorBA Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth The timing of when ProfessorBA came out to run and the fact that he got so much more active during this time period concerns me Voting deus Go look through past games and find where supersoft has -ever- been killed as a Townie. If he is Town then you are giving minimal benefits whereas if he is Mafia then you are fucking the Town. High risk low reward. You have not said a word against me before but now all of a sudden you think I am Mafia because Radfield said so? If I am Town then you ensure I cannot get shot, if I am Mafia then I am putting myself under serious pressure by being in office. Yeah I haven't been that active over the past few days because I've been playing DotA 2 nonstop with Mig. Mig hasn't been online at all this past day so here I am. 79.) supersoft - Vanilla TownieKilled night 2 XLVII As I said the timing of when you came out to run is fishy and how suddenly you've already gathered a couple votes As you also said pardoner is a strong role for scum to have. Although he is putting himself under high pressure its high risk high reward. Pardoner can defend himself with words but no way for town to stop a pardoner with pardoning (although we can lynch the pardoner collectively there is no way to stop the action from being done). It is safe to assume Arc is probably silenced for the duration of night Your point of restricting voting to only the hydras I agree with totally Nisani wagon gaining momentum?
I've gathered votes because people know my strength as Town. Why didn't you find it fishy that Radfield and Arctocod gained every single vote in the game with little to no discussion? Because people knew their strength as Town.
I've told you why I was inactive at the start of the game. Do you honestly believe that if I intended to get the office for scum powers I would've half-assed it so hard at the start? That would be the best time to make a run for office as the elected officials aren't going to be under heavy pressure. I wanted Arctocod as Pardoner because if he is Town then he gains the huge benefits and if he is scum then I am confident in my ability to read Palmar.
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On December 14 2011 10:32 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:11 kitaman27 wrote:On December 14 2011 10:08 prplhz wrote: Town is obviously confused at this and since Arctocod has very likely gone to bed maybe host or cohost can answer some questions? Flavor indicates that Arctocod withdrew himself, is this just flavor or is it true? The cause of Arctocod's withdraw will not be revealed Kidnapped! Debating on voting for ProfessorBadass but there is this post... Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:44 ProfessorBadass wrote: Well first thing's first:
Palmar is scum.
Palmar and I have a long history of never rolling the same alignment. Since I am Town this game Palmar must indeed be scum.
Also I am running for Mayor. and for now for lynch, for fun? ##Vote Nisani201
That was a joke throwaway post which everyone else in the game realized. There was a game where I did that on day one as my first post as well and under the bit of pressure it caused Palmar completely revealed himself as scum and got lynched day one.
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Sheth you're here aren't you? Everyone is here needs to start actively discussing this lynch and election now. Don't fuck it up with apathy.
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It boils down to a policy lynch, Palmar believes Nisani is worthless as Town so even though he has done nothing overtly scummy he is still a solid lynch.
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On December 14 2011 10:53 evantrees wrote: and that was mostly a joke post in general, voting for one of the hydras not 100% sure who yet. rng got me this for now ##Vote: TotallyNotTwoPeople
I've explained why RNG is retarded, I've explained the pros and cons of each side getting the office, I've explained why voting just because they are a hydra is retarded, why don't you make a real decision instead of hiding behind some RNG to absolve yourself of responsibility?
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I am still confident in Spaackle as the lynch by the way, he is here during the election but conveniently not posting or voting. If this was indeed a Mafia machination Mafia would be playing it super careful right now, they are likely waiting to see how the Town sentiment goes before casting their votes.
Sheth I want your thoughts on your election vote.
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Ah right, I see you're on Radfield already. Nevermind that point then.
Well if your vote was originally on Arctocod, who would you be shifting to now?
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On December 14 2011 11:02 evantrees wrote: because there is another hour to decide and felt like having a placeholder for the heck of it. ProfessorBadass is either going to convince me to vote for him or get me to vote for dues in that time from the looks of it ,until then a vote for TotallyNotTwoPeople. can't say a vote for Nisani201 is particularly though out sadly.
I've said everything I have to say about the subject. Why don't you tell me what you think about what I've already said then?
And why is Deus your other candidate?
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Radfield why Refallen over Nisani? Both are worthlessly inactive, actually I think Refallen's posts look a teeny bit better than Nisani's.
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On December 14 2011 11:06 risk.nuke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 11:02 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:35 prplhz wrote: Something that everybody needs to realize is that the only reason scum would even want to be mayor/pardoner is to deny Radfield and Arctocod the position. While it is very likely that scum are responsible for Arctocod pulling out of the race, it is very unlikely that they did this so that they could get the spot. People like ProfessorBadass are in no way more scummy just because this happened and ProfessorBadass is around. OK, haven't read the last few pages yet, but I fully agree with this. ProfessorBadass, even though I have a slight scum read, should be the pardoner. Curu is a strong townie, and my day 1 reads are not the best. EVERYONE VOTE PROFESSORBADASS FOR PARDONERNow we stop talking about the election and talk about the lynch again.
We are not lynching Zentor. He softclaimed blue, and did it in a way that newbie townies normally do it. For now, I am inclined to believe him. If mafia want to shoot him because of the blue-slip, great! Either way, we are NOT using our lynch on him. xsksc and refallen are the two targets I think we should look at. Both of them look very scummy if you read their filters. I'm not sure which one yet, but people should start discussing them. catching up now... look at how badass is looking for new bandwagon cases. Do you really want to risk putting him as pardoner?
What bandwagons have I been looking for? I've been on Spaackle for hours. The only new bandwagon I would try to start now is yours due to your random running for office when your actions and motivations don't add up at all to how you acted during the first election.
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Spaackle aside from Zentor who's your next favourite lynch?
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risk you haven't been reading my posts at all. I've disagreed with both Nisani and Zentor lynches.
I actually really want a risk.nuke lynch right now. As I said before him and DropBear seemed to be pushing hidden agendas during the initial election. Then risk.nuke straight up said he doesn't like Arctocod in office but didn't run himself to keep it away from Arcto. Then after the withdraw event he suddenly wants to run to keep it away from scum, completely inconsistent with his actions during the first round of elections.
He then tries to discredit me and push ideas onto me when clearly not even reading my posts (agenda for trying to smear the new election candidate).
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I also think that risk's actions are consistent with the withdrawal if indeed that was scum-driven. Scum most likely did it to deny Arctocod the protection and risk is trying his damn best to make sure that I, as another Townie target, don't get it.
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On December 14 2011 11:36 Spaackle wrote:IMHO, it feels kind of like ProfBA is trying to bandwagon me. While I admit that my posts have not been very town, I don't see where I'm giving people scumreads. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:29 ProfessorBadass wrote: Spaackle aside from Zentor who's your next favourite lynch? @ProfBA Probably for Refallen or Nisani mostly because they've been lurking and what they have posted has looked a bit scummy. Maybe evantrees, for the same reasoning.
It comes down to the Mafia mindset. It's extremely easy for Mafia to call people Town because they know they are Town but significantly harder for Mafia to call people Mafia because they know they are not.
I really didn't like that you seemed to spend so much time on analysis then came up with two random targets and called them Townie with no scum reads.
I also really don't like that you're now saying you want a Nisani lynch when before you had declared him as Townie. Blatant contradiction when Nisani hasn't posted at all in the intervening time. The only thing that's changed is that other people are starting to build on Nisani, which is pretty damning for you.
But I think risk is bigger fish to fry right now.
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On December 14 2011 11:39 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:33 ProfessorBadass wrote: risk you haven't been reading my posts at all. I've disagreed with both Nisani and Zentor lynches.
I actually really want a risk.nuke lynch right now. As I said before him and DropBear seemed to be pushing hidden agendas during the initial election. Then risk.nuke straight up said he doesn't like Arctocod in office but didn't run himself to keep it away from Arcto. Then after the withdraw event he suddenly wants to run to keep it away from scum, completely inconsistent with his actions during the first round of elections.
He then tries to discredit me and push ideas onto me when clearly not even reading my posts (agenda for trying to smear the new election candidate). yeah you've disagreed with them... after I stopped them. You're so full of scum agenda it's through the roof. That is all you got on me. I am playing pro town and you're trying to get me lynched for something that you're still twisting to make me look bad desipte that I have explained why. I'm running now because if I didn't want the scum plan (to elect you) to suceed.
You stopped it? Is that a fucking joke? In case you haven't noticed Nisani is still the leading wagon. It'd be infinitely easy for me if I were scum to bury myself on that wagon since I have a history of policy lynching Nisani/sinani.
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@Radfield
If you don't like risk consider this:
On December 14 2011 05:49 Spaackle wrote:Nisani201:+ Show Spoiler +On December 13 2011 10:53 Nisani201 wrote:Alright, I just caught up on the thread. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 03:08 Spaackle wrote: For the lurkers in the thread, maybe a couple questions would get some activity:
1. What do you think of the No Pardon, No Exception rule?
2. Give your specific impressions of the campaigns so far, especially the major ones.
Remember, the more you get into the game you're playing, the more fun it is! :D 1. No Pardon should not be carried out until the very late game, where there's probably some weird scenario in which pardoning would be important. However I don't think we need to discuss that now because there are too many possibilities. 2. Radfield seems to be playing pro-town. Palmar is not taking his usual controversial stance that he normally seems to assume. This is not scummy (I even think he said somewhere that he was going to try out a new style) but at this point I trust Radfield a lot more. ##Vote: Radfield (for election) Nisani posts after lurking for quite some time and answers the questions I gave the lurkers. He gives some short answers and then doens't post anything for two hours. On December 13 2011 12:37 Nisani201 wrote: Zeks is a null-read for me. Yeah the scumslips are pretty stupid but in my experiences I've found that these easy D1 lynches don't go too well.
If there are no other candidates besides him then I will definitely vote him. Otherwise I will wait for more. Nisani says that he doesn't have a read on zeks yet, but decides to wait until more info comes up. On December 13 2011 12:39 Nisani201 wrote: We could also lynch a lurker (such as TotallyNotTwoPeople). Again, I want more information. Suggests lynching a lurker, and gives TNTP as an example. Nothing really suspicious stands out here. On December 13 2011 14:11 Nisani201 wrote: I just read Greymist's analysis on Jistu and I think he is much more viable lynch then Zeks.
Eiii, why are you voting MyZentor? You provided no reason other than a quote.
Somewhat off topic: after playing in XLVII, this is much more relaxing... so much better not having 100 players or whatever it was that game. Decides that Jitsu is better than Zeks based on GreYMisT' analysis, then questions Eiii about his vote. Read: Lurking TownNisani hasn't been posting much since the beginning, but what he has been posting has been fairly non-contradictory and he's done a bit of motive questioning. He just seems like a regular townie withour much to say.
Two vastly contradicting opinions when the only thing that has changed is Town sentiment towards Nisani.
I'm not a fan of lynching lurkers unless they've proven time and time again they're absolutely worthless players and they all look the damn same.
On December 14 2011 11:36 Spaackle wrote:IMHO, it feels kind of like ProfBA is trying to bandwagon me. While I admit that my posts have not been very town, I don't see where I'm giving people scumreads. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:29 ProfessorBadass wrote: Spaackle aside from Zentor who's your next favourite lynch? @ProfBA Probably for Refallen or Nisani mostly because they've been lurking and what they have posted has looked a bit scummy. Maybe evantrees, for the same reasoning.
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On December 14 2011 11:42 risk.nuke wrote: No scum would ever play the way I am doing right now. Scum doesn't want to be the ones who takes action. So say I'm scum and I lynch greymist who then would be town. Next day I would have to fight for my life not to get lynched not to mention all my town cred would be gone. Tell me that is scumplay.
It seems scum took action to deny Arctocod bodyguard protection. Now that you're seeing it go to another Townie you're floundering and desperate.
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I gave my case on Spaackle already about the Mafia mindset, you can go find that for my original motivations.
I would still rather hit risk but I would heavily prefer either one to one of the lurkers.
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Holy hell all the non-posters just flooded out to vote Spaackle.
wtf
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Palmar don't be a dumbass. If I was scum there was no way I would have wanted to run for the election at the exact time when it would have looked the worst to run.
Think about it, when you were forced down I was the only candidate who had any buzz at all. You were obviously forced out to deny you the bodyguard protection. Mafia knew I was the only other realistic one to get voted in, why would they put me under that much pressure if I was Mafia?
Also super I didn't lie when I said you had never been shot, that was just my recollection. I've played 2 Town games with you IIRC, Arkham Asylum where you accomplished nothing and Kurumi's game where you actually did decently.
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Also all you fucking sheep crying about bad bandwagons when you haven't done shit shut the fuck up. You sheep after the only people making an effort then cry about how bad it is.
Palmar you're the leading pusher for crying about not lynching Townies for stupid posts and instead looking for scum motivations. syllogism you've told me a million times going after sinani/Nisani for lurker behavior is scummy as fuck. Are you really convinced Nisani was a better lynch than Spaackles?
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zeks you are also a dumbass plain and simple. Do you really think Mafia would go balls out and orchestrate a last minute vote switch to get a Pardoner in office and a Townie lynched? Sacrifice all their members for a mislynch and an office when there's an election every day?
It's far more likely Mafia were just lying low during that whole debacle and seeing how things played out. Mafia hate being in the spotlight.
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On December 15 2011 04:49 Arctocod wrote: Given that you were afk for like the first 40 hours of the day, that appears like such an overreaction. Further, we are 95% confirmed town already so why are you attacking us instead of doing something useful.
I'm not attacking you I'm asking you to go and read over the cases in a useful fashion instead of standing there making stupid statements and enabling all these dumbasses OH HERP CURU IS MAFIA BECAUSE MAFIA WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO SACRIFICE THEIR TEAM TO GET HIM INTO OFFICE. Think for a second what possible motivation would I have as Mafia to run for office at that exact time? I wouldn't be able to use Pardoner safely till endgame and in return I get heavily watched. That's not at all worth it. I pushed so hard for it because I know my play will show myself to be Townie and I won't get shot now.
I'll get to posting my thoughts later but I just woke up to people like cwave who haven't posted anything now complaining about bad wagons. Not a good morning jolt.
And yeah I was afk for most of day 1. I apologize for that but I was too preoccupied with DotA 2.
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This will be my last defensive post for a while before I grab lunch and go through the thread again.
As you said I was the natural selection for Pardoner. If I was Mafia I could have just laid low, not post, most likely get elected Pardoner anyways and have no spotlight on me. Yes I realize I should be under heavy pressure but not for ridiculously stupid stuff.
Like I remember someone posted earlier I was scummy for switching to Spaackle at the last moment. I was suspicious of Spaackle a long time before the lynch. It wasn't a last minute switch by any means of the imagination. Why was I suspicious? The most comfortable thing for Mafia to do is to sit there, post about how some people are Town, then go along with the hottest wagon. You appear to contribute without ever sticking your neck out. Spaackle was doing exactly that: calling people Town, then calling MrZentor scum when Zentor had the most votes, then turning around and calling Nisani scum (despite calling him Town earlier) when Nisani had the most votes. A lot of people now show up after the flip to whine about the lynch yet no one except Palmar even bothered to try to discuss the case (and all Palmar said was "I think he's Townie").
Going to go grab lunch now.
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Oh and zeks calling someone a dumbass means I think they are saying stupid shit. That doesn't necessarily mean I think they are Mafia (unless they are being purposely stupid) it just means they need to stop saying stupid shit.
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Alrighty here's the situation for me as it stands:
I still don't like risk.nuke. Look at his actions at the beginning of the game when there was not a single chance he would be elected:
On December 13 2011 23:54 risk.nuke wrote: I think Arctocod is likely mafia but I'm not going to do anything about that now. He will have to play pro-town because I will watch him like a hawk.
Todays lynches I would like one of these two. Graymist and GiygaS. Though there is a dilemma. I am more sure on Graymist then on Giygas and we'll learn more from Graymists flip then Giygas. Against Graymist probably beeing a more valuable townie then Giygas.
He thinks Arctocod is likely Mafia but never tries anything to stop the candidacy. Even after I started arguing that Arctocod should be Pardoner and Radfield Mayor he did not say a word against it despite Pardoner being the stronger Mafia role. Yet suddenly after the Arctocod withdrawal he immediately runs for Pardoner on the basis that he "doesn't want it to fall into Mafia hands."
He has not said a single word against me or even mentioned me before in his posts besides to say he is unsure about me. He argues the basis of him not wanting me in office is because GreyMist is voting for me; GreyMist was also voting for Arctocod, who risk said he believed was likely Mafia but again he did not say a single word of protest at that time. At that time there was 0 chance risk would be elected; after the Arctocod withdrawal when the situation was hectic he suddenly throws in his candidacy on the basis that he doesn't want Mafia to get the position. Where was this position earlier? He didn't even try to argue against the Arctocod election despite saying he thought he was likely Mafia.
His actions leading up to the lynch are ridiculous. He's saying anyone who votes for Nisani is scum. Look at how ridiculous this post is:
On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum. same for Zentor. Why? Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing.
Anyone who tries to lead a lynch is scummy? It must be scum influenced? What kind of dumb thinking is this? During this time leading to the lynch he has not pushed a single candidate or done any analysis, merely claiming that he saved Zentor and Nisani (neither is remotely close to true). So let's go back, he thinks Mafia can take advantage of the time of chaos, he thinks the lynch candidates are bad, he thinks this is the time Town is most vulnerable and that he can salvage the Town. Yet he has zero, count it zero, real analysis on anyone. All he does is call GreyMist scum because of a "gut feeling."
And now this gem:
On December 15 2011 08:07 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 08:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 15 2011 08:02 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 08:00 GreYMisT wrote:On December 15 2011 07:58 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 14 2011 11:02 risk.nuke wrote:No I'll be damned if you actually lynch nisani. ANYONE who votes for him I will consider to be scum. same for Zentor. Why? Because if they were mafia their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. Now I'll tell you something about bandwagons. Bandwagons are almost always influenced by mafia. due to the uncertainty of townies it's nearly impossible for a bandwagon to kick of without the mafia influencing it. Thats why in 99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing. Okay, this post. What is going on with this post? He's threatening to attack anyone who votes for the 2 present lynch candidates (or so I gather from the thread - the consensus seems to be that the lynch is either Zentor or Nisani). Why? Because if they were mafia, their buddies would had putten a stop to this ages ago. You know, like he's doing here. He backs it up with fear tactics (Bandwagons almost always "influenced by mafia") and imaginary statistics (99% bandwagon cases you're either lynching a townie or scum is bussing). My read on risk.nuke gets redder and redder. Why isn't anyone considering this guy seriously? You do realise that YOU are nisani... He was saying that zentor and nisani were the top lynch candidates at that time, not that they should be now... No he was saying I am red. And his case builds around the fact that MrZentor and Nisani is scum and I'm their scumbuddy coming to protect them. No, I'm building a case based around your scummy bullshit bro. I never said they were red (and yes, I realize I'm Nisani). What I said was you were putting a stop to their lynch with your post, though I can see how you'd think that's what I meant. I was saying that the way you were going about stopping the lynch was scummy. So your case is I'm scummy because I'm stopping a lynch on two townies, okey now I get your logic.
lol you somehow conclusively know that Nisani and Zentor are Townie now? Most of the people against their lynch were against it because they had not done anything to show they were Town or scum either way. But you somehow are sure they are Town. Scumslip much?
Cwave declared his candidacy on the basis that he is a dedicated and aggressive scumhunter. He throws his vote on Zentor making sure to note that Radfield is the one who is responsible for the lynch. Doesn't post or contribute at all, comes back and tries to make all the people on the Spaackle lynch look bad without explaining anything about why the reasoning or cases behind the lynch were bad.
His main candidates for scumminess today seem to be Radfield and MrZentor, and he makes sure to state again that he thinks MrZentor is scummy because of Radfield. But wait what, if you also think Radfield is scum why are you still pushing something you thought was drawn out by him?
Look how much attention he is trying to draw on the people who voted Spaackle:
On December 14 2011 22:52 Cwave wrote:
Eiii, Greymist, LiquidSeth, Refallen, Radfield, Risk.nuke, Comprissent, Nyc and Liquid all voted for Spaackle in the last hour AND had a vote out before that. And last but not least ProfBad who switched from Spaackles to risk.nuke to..... Spaackles.
Tsk tsk tsk. Scum!
Blanket statement trying to draw attention to everyone who voted for Spaackle. No mention of why the case was bad. No real analysis mounted on any of them, seems hesitant to try to lead anything concrete on anyone hoping instead it will take off and he won't be seen at the head.
I dislike how Sheth played the part of bandwagon hero in crunch time last night. His votes and thoughts jumped around to whatever people asked him. A lot of "I'm okay with this" and "I'll do this if I have to" posts, he never really took an initiative on his own. He never seemed particularly interested in who was actually going to be lynched, it felt like he was just riding along with popular Town sentiment.
TotallyNotTwoPeople has been completely worthless, disappearing at crucial times. Unfortunately this has been the case for many players at this point.
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I highly doubt Eiii was responsible for the Arctocod stepdown.
On December 14 2011 10:57 Eiii wrote: Given that this is ELECTION MAFIA, the whole step-down thing is definitely a red power. Last night I wouldn't have been comfortable with either deus or prof in an elected role, but now that prof is actually posting I'm going to be voting for him. I'm kind of undecided on the lynch, but it's not going to be on zentor. unvoting and rereading.
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Arcto when you received the package from GiygaS was it anonymous or did it tell you it was him?
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Intended that way or you put it in yourself?
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No because if it was anonymous then GiygaS is pretty much confirmed Town since no Mafia would use their power that way.
If it wasn't then GiygaS looks a whole lot worse as a sort of delayed Vig where their targets know who killed them before they are killed. Using that power would put a whole lot of attention on you but not if you're able to pass off the decision to someone else.
I'm also curious why Eiii was chosen when Arctocod mentioned 3 completely different targets for Vig shots earlier. Was that decision entirely your own Arcto?
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Oh ninja'd by Arcto, so yeah treat GigyaS as essentially confirmed Town.
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Sigh I wish you hadn't done that. There was no need to reveal your power was oneshot.
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No it was almost definitely not Eiii. I provided the quote why.
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Err, I mean yeah it was almost definitely not Eiii.
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What in the world makes you think you are going to get hit? Honestly? You are probably the last person any Medic is thinking of protecting.
This new flood control is godamn annoying as hell.
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lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you?
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On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote: lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you? Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you. I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia. ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you.
You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection.
Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy.
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On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote: lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you? Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you. I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia. ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you. You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection. Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy. Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from?
Why would I know that? Maybe they thought two good players > 1. Maybe they think Palmar/syllo are better players than Radfield. I would argue against your Mayor point too, I preferred to put Palmar/syllo as Pardoner over Mayor because I feared Radfield's scum play a lot more.
Where are you going with these questions?
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On December 15 2011 10:33 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 15 2011 10:23 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 15 2011 10:12 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 10:02 ProfessorBadass wrote: lol this just looks like a stupid attempt to waste a Medic protection on you before you get hanged.
If you were Town and looking like you were going to get lynched why the hell would they ever shoot you? Your ignorence just makes you look scum. Tell me you can't think of a single reason in that scenario so palmar can lynch you. I wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. You make it sound like it's in stone but really it's just you three who are idiots or/and mafia. ViceraEye, after your performance today I can call you whatever I want. You should be happy I call you idiot and don't just ignore you. You're worthless and suspected. No I can't think of a single scenario why anyone would want to protect you especially when it is highly likely Arctocod was knocked out of office so he wouldn't get protection. Just looks like flailing scum trying to exert influence in any way he can. Keep digging your own grave buddy. Maybe you can answer this: why would scum knock out Palmogism rather than Rad, who was leading for Mayor, and therefor had more town-cred (or whatever gets you elected in these things) than Palmogism? Why not knock out the Mayor if they're looking for someone 'dangerous' to them to 'remove protections' from? Radfield could be mafia. Just saying. He played a terrible towngame last night, and if both arctocod and radfield were town why did mafia choose arctocod and not radfield who at the time looked more town then arcto.
lol what? Radfield's play last night was disagreeing with Nisani and MrZentor lynches (something you agreed with him on as well).
He agreed on the Spaackles case which I felt was the best (duh, I posted it). So to play less bad he should've made random statements about GreyMist saying he had a gut feeling he was scum right?
Your posts get more and more ridiculous.
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bum wtf are you rambling on about?
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Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right?
Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense.
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On December 15 2011 12:23 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 12:21 ProfessorBadass wrote: Well shit, we only get one bodyguard right?
Elections should be obvious, make Arctocod the Surgeon General and GigyaS the Secretary of Defense. Other way around? No?
Sure, either or is fine. For some reason I got the idea that only Surgeon General could be protected with his ability.
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I don't think Erandorr is even playing.
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On December 15 2011 14:41 evantrees wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 14:02 bumatlarge wrote:On December 15 2011 13:30 GreYMisT wrote: he is the replacement for dropbear.
Bum the reason we are going for Giygas and arct is that we are more sure than really any other person that they are town, due to the events that transpired around them. Hmm ok, but I think we should be a bit aggressive with the second voting spot. It's a public rolecop check, so let's use it as such. It seems better to have someone we can deduce as mafia and not be able to lyncht the next day, rather then out a townie to prevent something that would never happen anyway. One of the two as surgeon general sounds superduper. To clarify they get pardoned the day they are elected we can still lynch them the following day. Show nested quote +Election winners/runner ups will be pardoned during the corresponding day lynch. "I think we should be a bit aggressive with the second voting spot. It's a public rolecop check, so let's use it as such." I feel a tad doubtful on how good of a alignment check it would be but definitely seems worth considering. its an alignment check not role check we want though isn't it, don't see how it would work as a role check.
That's not how I interpreted it to work, it's a role with powers but you don't learn what it does until you get elected.
Kita can you clarify?
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Also can I just remove Erandorr from the game and post from my own account? If I post in the two voting threads I get blocked from posting for like 5 minutes because of new account spam control
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No, how he interpreted it was if you get elected to the position your role gets told to the entire Town. So it's like a public DT check. I don't think that's how it works.
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