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On January 07 2012 05:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote: This post seems like its one of two things.
1. Hes honestly just a newb who isn't dealing with the pressure very well. It happens and this post is just his way of taking the pressure off of him.
2. His scum buddies helped him post something that looks good and will take pressure off of him.
I just CANT see him posting this as scum by himself. And this post seems like it was written exactly by CatsnHats, not by an outside helper as far as I can tell. Things like "this probably isn't the correct time" then still doing it, just seems very like cats. So, as I'm not convinced hes not mafia, I don't think he should be a lynch for us in day 2. If he is mafia he will definetly make some silly mistakes as we go along or he'll be dead.
And as for you're opinion, do you think he is mafia or town?
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On January 07 2012 05:34 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm leaning town as of now. I stick by the fact that if hes mafia he'll make some huge mistake soon.
That doesn't fly with me. Let me explain why.
On January 04 2012 12:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
CatsnHats, welcome to your first game of mafia. You say "Not lynching unless reasonably certain". This is a scummy thing to say, as its leaning towards not lynching today. You realize there is no way to be "reasonably certain" on day one. Get it together and find some scum, or I'm picking you for our day one lynch.
Nice first post. You jump on CatsnHats for doing scummy things. Perfect, exactly what I would like to see from a first post from someone. You get him, jump right up there and pressure that little weasel...
On January 04 2012 13:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote: CatsnHats come on, be counteragressive. I'm picking on you for no real reason. I just want to get you to toughen up. If it comes down to it at the end and someone is agressive like this against you, and you just KNOW hes mafia, you better toughen up.
As of now, I'm going to sleep. So far I've seen one post that worries me. Will tell you guys in the morning :D!
...wait, what the shit is this? You start pressuring someone, than let off because you think he's new. Why does being new matter? So he can't be responsible for his own actions? Why are you letting him off the hook so easily without even squeezing him a little bit?
On January 07 2012 05:34 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@CatsNHats -You seem oh so scummy. Whats your take on lynching Cephiro? Would you be willing to join in on this little train we're starting?
Anyone else willing to hop on board, don't forget to pack a vote.
This was the post right after you vote Cephiro. After Probu posts his analysis, you step right on that train, right away. The only form of suspicion you threw on Cephiro was more wobbly than a Jenga tower. Than as soon as someone else votes for him, you vote for him. You even say that you saw some things that looked like he was scummy, but you let him off the hook too. Weird.
On January 05 2012 12:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Another thing I should say I geuss :
Don't base me being "Liquid`Sheth" on any reads here. I play mafia to WIN. I'm going to kill people heartlessly. You won't get out of an argument with me because I'm feeling nice. Its stupid to just trust me because that I'm someone you've watched. If I was streaming me playing mafia, I'd be the IdrA of mafia. Only scum would not want to lynch me based on me being "Sheth", it fits inside that little bracket of not wanting to upset others and just staying in the middle.
So basically next person who says something like "oh no sheth can't be mafia because hes sheth" I'm going to assume is a little scummier. Just figured I should post this as we win as a team and lose as a team, and I wouldn't want you guys who feel the same way about Xeris or Gretorp to not kill them because you know them. If there scummy, were going to steal Xeris' chair and not give Gretorp a hug.
Ok, because I honestly can't stay mean for too long, I wuv u Duran + Andre <3 lol
You are the IdrA of Mafia? Ok.
So why did you stop putting all forms of pressure on Cats so early?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 23:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure.
1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? NOT Probulous, as I'd be worried he was going to die at night, I'd determine someone such as Gonzaw or Tunkeg. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? Probably no one, if I was forced to kill someone (Town CK) I'd probably kill A K C T (Cookie Maker) or Cephiro, depending on who we lynch. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) I'd probably RB either Cephiro or Cookie, depending on who we lynch.
5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. I have a vote on Cephiro. Its explained in two posts that I posted earlier + Prob's analysis. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you!
Now you're opinion went from Cats being scummy, to him being new?
Than AKCT goes up for lynching, and you jump to that one with new real analysis posting. At that point, it was a bandwagon lynch, but what was YOU'RE Reasoning?
RE: Hippo - I just realized how you worded this.
On January 05 2012 16:04 AnxiousHippo wrote: I might not be able to go through everything in time so I'll make a placeholder vote and hope I have time tomorrow morning to change it if need be. ##vote:Xeris This is more of a pressure vote atm, since all his done is said he disagrees with RL and then says he doesn't want to lynch at all first day. Since all the pressure's been on cephira and CM he's been quiet.
You say that you will go over everything tomorrow morning and change a vote if need be. What? If it's not on time, you will just not vote, or leave it on Xeris?
On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote: I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea ##Unvote: Xeris ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea
Wow. Stellar. So you jump on this lynch train and don't even bother to explain why. Not only that, but you pretty much indicate that you are going off of what other people have discussed, and not come up with anything concrete on you're own, pretty much re-leaving all pressure from you if it's a miss-lynch.
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+ Show Spoiler +@Catsnhats -
I think you're scum.
First, you start off on the wrong foot by lurking. You're very first post after game start is a post essentially saying "Sorry for not posting, I was reading though!" Second post, Sheth calls you out for being committed to no-lynch policy. Than you back up and reword it saying that you know it's a scum-tell to be committed to a policy lynch. You admitted it. But than you realized you fucked up, and try to backtrack in the same post, throwing suspicion off of you.
Read this, and tell me how back it looks.
On January 04 2012 11:52 CatsnHats wrote: Yeah I'm around. Just reading the thread and getting a sense of the situation since I've never played before. It would seem that not lynching unless reasonably certain would be the way to go. Although I'm not sure how we could be certain of anything on D1.
On January 04 2012 12:34 CatsnHats wrote: Thanks CookieMaker for the link. And you're right Sheth, if I am leaning toward no lynch that would be a red flag for scum. But wouldn't emphatically being in favor of a lynch be a red flag for scum too since the odds are in favor of townie being accidentally chosen? Oh God this is gonna be so meta.
Than, in the post RIGHT AFTER IT, you try to joke around with the guy putting pressure on you, and than 100% flip from you're original thoughts on no-lynch policy. You say that we need to lynch, because "any information gleaned" is still information. What happened to you're stance of not lynching unless reasonably certain?
I think, even though you try to rectify it later, you realized you're mistake too late. You already made the slip, so at that point, you tried to simply recover.
On January 05 2012 01:44 CatsnHats wrote: Show nested quote +
Lurking around at the beginning, writing a paragraph of text that amounts to nothing, and then OMGUS-ing the person that prods you... not a good look Gretorp. Pretty scummy if you ask me.
You take this information and don't do anything with it. You sit there, daring him to respond, but afraid to piss him off. The first two comments are things that YOU DID YOURSELF and yet you accuse another player of it. "Hold on while I try to direct attention away from me."
You continue spouting stuff out which really doesn't have that much substance to it. You accuse Tunkeg of being "overaggressive townie." How does that translate into you becoming suspicious to him!? In the same post, you tell him that you will become suspicious of him if he keeps his aggression up. Are you afraid he will change his target to you? Or one of you're mafia friends?
After that, you change you're top three scum-reads on two people who haven't even given enough analysis to decide yet. How can you have a scum read on someone who hasn't posted more than a page, let alone more than three total posts? Than you get on CookieMaker. You're first and last choice to lynch are obviously lurker policy kills. Divert that attention, bro. You jump on Gretorp after a few people already did, giving me the impression that you are bandwagon voting.
Interesting.
Than you keep pressing and pressing Gretorp, hoping and hoping he will post something. It seems like you think you slipped under the radar.
You didn't.
##Vote: CatsnHats
ProfBA did the same thing that Cats is doing now, in my opinion. Self-destructing and trying to earn town cred.
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On January 07 2012 07:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Jitsu, you posted after my question. Could you answer it really quick?
I've already posted my entire case on Cats. You totally neglected to comment on it the first time. The fact he self-destructed when pressured doesn't fix anything for me.
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On January 07 2012 08:10 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 07:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Jitsu, you posted after my question. Could you answer it really quick? I've already posted my entire case on Cats. You totally neglected to comment on it the first time. The fact he self-destructed when pressured doesn't fix anything for me.
Was that the question? To give you my leads on Cats?
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On January 07 2012 09:05 Probulous wrote: Jitsu, Tunk, enough with the back and forth. It should be pretty clear you are both town to anyone paying attention. Don't waste your time arguing over a single badly worded post.
You both voted for AKCT before anyone else, that should be enough to ensure that you both did not jump on the wagon. You started it. Save your analysis for people who are possibly scum. This is just spamming the thread and making it difficult to spot other people's posts.
I'm not back and forth'ing with Tunk. XD
RE: Sheth -
What kind of question is that? I post an analysis, than I vote for him, and than you ask me if I think he should be lynched?
On January 06 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote:@Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me. You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: Show nested quote + RE: CookieMaker
Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think. I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go.
Does that look like a newbie post to you?
If I was being accused of Mafia, I would prove my innocence by finding scum. Not by trying the town to lynch myself.
In other words, having the town waste another day to lynch me if I was town is anti-town in and of itself. I think he's banking on the fact that he's trying to pull at our oh-so-tender heartstrings.
Thoughts?
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On January 07 2012 09:37 Tunkeg wrote: For the rest of you, did you in any way think that gonz analysis of my post after lynch was any good? Did the discussion between me and him bring anything usefull to the table?
I haven't read it yet, because I think there is no point to it. You spent the majority of the night posts derping at each other over a simple miss-interpretation at best, I feel, but even then, I didn't read the whole thing because it was giving me a headache. You and Gonzaw are higher up on my town list than others, right below Probu, so there is no use arguing with each other at this point unless there is a legitimate concern that the other is scum. When you do, give it to use in a case, not in single by single jabs back and forth trying to get the better of each other.
Do either of you actually think the other is scum? I doubt it.
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On January 07 2012 09:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 09:36 Jitsu wrote:On January 07 2012 09:05 Probulous wrote: Jitsu, Tunk, enough with the back and forth. It should be pretty clear you are both town to anyone paying attention. Don't waste your time arguing over a single badly worded post.
You both voted for AKCT before anyone else, that should be enough to ensure that you both did not jump on the wagon. You started it. Save your analysis for people who are possibly scum. This is just spamming the thread and making it difficult to spot other people's posts. I'm not back and forth'ing with Tunk. XD RE: Sheth - What kind of question is that? I post an analysis, than I vote for him, and than you ask me if I think he should be lynched? On January 06 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote:@Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me. You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: RE: CookieMaker
Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with. I cannot let you off the hook yet for shady opening play. The poem, Odin/Thor references, fluff posts, "jabbing and dodging" who you accused of jabbing and dodging, etc. All of this leans towards scum I think. I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go. Does that look like a newbie post to you? If I was being accused of Mafia, I would prove my innocence by finding scum. Not by trying the town to lynch myself. In other words, having the town waste another day to lynch me if I was town is anti-town in and of itself. I think he's banking on the fact that he's trying to pull at our oh-so-tender heartstrings. Thoughts? Didn't notice you voted on him. Didn't realize you could vote on someone during night phase... And yes that post was really well done. Thats ONE post of his. ( What is OMGUS?) Do the rest look like veteran posts to you? Like his gambit of trying to get himself lynched is stupid. When ProfBA did it, it was stupid too. ProfBA was a veteran though, he had a lot of good posts, he even got elected as something. In what crazy world would we elect this Catsnhats? I don't see him coming up with the same thing as ProfBA... And ProfBA isn't a coach for this. However I don't think it means hes not mafia, I just don't think hes our best read. Give him the rest of this day and I might agree that hes surely mafia, but can you at least agree to give him that time? IdrA is actually a lot nicer then people give him credit for. :[
Are you asking what OMGUS is?
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On January 07 2012 09:50 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Jitsu that was my thoughts exactly on those two as well. However you need to go over and read it or re-read it, as do I. Thats the sort of thing that could hide scum too. Just making a filter too long and too full of confusing randomness that we don't want to look at it.
I will eventually. I just had too much going through my mind to read it in different sections.
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On January 07 2012 16:40 Probulous wrote:To the rest of the town, please can I have your thoughts on Sheth and Cephiro? I am re-reading the thread over and over again and re-evaluating my positions on people. Hippo you still haven't posted anything of contribution, but I hope that your analysis is good. I would much rather a full blown case than three lines parroting someone. Cats, your poor bastard You're caught and you still copy other's arguments. You're looking for a way to contribute which is good, but is both a town and scum perogative, so it's a null tell really. If you want to save your skin, answer my question at the top of this post. Blurry you may have fallen off the face of the earth but if you don't show up soon I swear you will be falling with a rope around your neck. Christ out of 10 players we have four lurkers If they don't start posting, we're fucked. As for my contribution, I will post my top scum pick in the next 24 hrs or so which should give people plenty of time of analyse my case. I was sorely disappointed with the response my cases received last time, this time I want criticism.
I think that's because you're were the first. I assume you play devil's advocate yourself, but post you're analysis. Are you leaning away from cephiro?
I think Sheth is acting pretty scummy ATM, and I agree with the same concerns you have with Cats.
@Sheth:
If we have a DT, and he found someone, would you think it's a good idea or a bad idea to reveal?
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Nice case, Probulous. Couple things I wanted to add. For clarity, and so we can have it all here, these are my suspicions on Sheth as well, which I personally feel he answered sub-optimally.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2012 06:20 Jitsu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 05:34 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I'm leaning town as of now. I stick by the fact that if hes mafia he'll make some huge mistake soon. That doesn't fly with me. Let me explain why. Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 12:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
CatsnHats, welcome to your first game of mafia. You say "Not lynching unless reasonably certain". This is a scummy thing to say, as its leaning towards not lynching today. You realize there is no way to be "reasonably certain" on day one. Get it together and find some scum, or I'm picking you for our day one lynch. Nice first post. You jump on CatsnHats for doing scummy things. Perfect, exactly what I would like to see from a first post from someone. You get him, jump right up there and pressure that little weasel... Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 13:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote: CatsnHats come on, be counteragressive. I'm picking on you for no real reason. I just want to get you to toughen up. If it comes down to it at the end and someone is agressive like this against you, and you just KNOW hes mafia, you better toughen up.
As of now, I'm going to sleep. So far I've seen one post that worries me. Will tell you guys in the morning :D! ...wait, what the shit is this? You start pressuring someone, than let off because you think he's new. Why does being new matter? So he can't be responsible for his own actions? Why are you letting him off the hook so easily without even squeezing him a little bit? Show nested quote +On January 07 2012 05:34 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@CatsNHats -You seem oh so scummy. Whats your take on lynching Cephiro? Would you be willing to join in on this little train we're starting?
Anyone else willing to hop on board, don't forget to pack a vote. This was the post right after you vote Cephiro. After Probu posts his analysis, you step right on that train, right away. The only form of suspicion you threw on Cephiro was more wobbly than a Jenga tower. Than as soon as someone else votes for him, you vote for him. You even say that you saw some things that looked like he was scummy, but you let him off the hook too. Weird. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 12:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Another thing I should say I geuss :
Don't base me being "Liquid`Sheth" on any reads here. I play mafia to WIN. I'm going to kill people heartlessly. You won't get out of an argument with me because I'm feeling nice. Its stupid to just trust me because that I'm someone you've watched. If I was streaming me playing mafia, I'd be the IdrA of mafia. Only scum would not want to lynch me based on me being "Sheth", it fits inside that little bracket of not wanting to upset others and just staying in the middle.
So basically next person who says something like "oh no sheth can't be mafia because hes sheth" I'm going to assume is a little scummier. Just figured I should post this as we win as a team and lose as a team, and I wouldn't want you guys who feel the same way about Xeris or Gretorp to not kill them because you know them. If there scummy, were going to steal Xeris' chair and not give Gretorp a hug.
Ok, because I honestly can't stay mean for too long, I wuv u Duran + Andre <3 lol You are the IdrA of Mafia? Ok. So why did you stop putting all forms of pressure on Cats so early? + Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 23:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure.
1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? NOT Probulous, as I'd be worried he was going to die at night, I'd determine someone such as Gonzaw or Tunkeg. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? Probably no one, if I was forced to kill someone (Town CK) I'd probably kill A K C T (Cookie Maker) or Cephiro, depending on who we lynch. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) I'd probably RB either Cephiro or Cookie, depending on who we lynch.
5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. I have a vote on Cephiro. Its explained in two posts that I posted earlier + Prob's analysis. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! Now you're opinion went from Cats being scummy, to him being new? Than AKCT goes up for lynching, and you jump to that one with new real analysis posting. At that point, it was a bandwagon lynch, but what was YOU'RE Reasoning? RE: Hippo - I just realized how you worded this. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 16:04 AnxiousHippo wrote: I might not be able to go through everything in time so I'll make a placeholder vote and hope I have time tomorrow morning to change it if need be. ##vote:Xeris This is more of a pressure vote atm, since all his done is said he disagrees with RL and then says he doesn't want to lynch at all first day. Since all the pressure's been on cephira and CM he's been quiet. You say that you will go over everything tomorrow morning and change a vote if need be. What? If it's not on time, you will just not vote, or leave it on Xeris? Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote: I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea ##Unvote: Xeris ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea Wow. Stellar. So you jump on this lynch train and don't even bother to explain why. Not only that, but you pretty much indicate that you are going off of what other people have discussed, and not come up with anything concrete on you're own, pretty much re-leaving all pressure from you if it's a miss-lynch.
When the game first started, I felt that Sheth was acting different than Mafia, but it dawned on me that he brought it up specifically in his first post. I think I am playing extremely different this game than Election - Have I had any need to bring it up? It's my second game, and Sheth's third. I takes a little bit longer to build a meta-read on someone than just two games together. I have no reason to say it to Sheth - why would Sheth have any reason to say it to me? I can build a rep by my style of play in THIS game, not a game I played with him prior.
Secondly - Catsnhats clearly had a breakdown. I still think it is the most curious part of this game. He ripped when he had only one serious vote for his lynch (if I recall), and he was being suspected of being Mafia. You came to his defense by saying that he didn't have mafia influence in typing it up. You don't even comment on it until it's brought, which is funny, because you had tagged Cats early before backing off. But to totally ignore it until I ask you about it? Come on, mannnnn. You are one of the most vocal players in this game - hell of a time to not be vocal.
Jumping on two bandwagons...so on and so forth.
One of the things that did catch my eye was this post as well. This is the reason I was asking you your thoughts on the matter again:
On January 05 2012 14:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok, well I'm going to sleep now. I wasn't completely sure if the DT for one mafia was a good trade or not, so I brought it up to see everyone's reactions. I am leaning its probably good, if they have some other confirmed townies for sure. And this will all changed when we learn whether someone was RB'ed during night. (Then it means we have a medic who can save you if you come out). I want to hear more on that, and our cases from our lurkers.
Look forward to reading your post when I wake up Andre. Keep posting Duran! And probulous we can agree on some things I'm sure :D!
You see, as town, transparency is key. We all need to come up with reasons, logical analysis and opinions backed by our personal thoughts - AND WHY.
That post seems like you have a totally different agenda to me, almost like you're forcing the connotation that it's coming from a town perspective. Coming from a town point of view, I don't want the DT to reveal. The longer and later he stays hidden and alive, the more powerful he becomes. Re-reading it, it's almost like you are trying to bait the Detective to reveal if he finds one mafia. Probu got to it before you did, but I think it would have been more interesting if you contradicted yourself and said that the DT should stay hidden.
Any other townies want to play Devil's Advocate?
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On January 08 2012 11:58 CatsnHats wrote:@Prob yeah I do think they are (Blurry too) better scum targets than Sheth. I think we are letting the terrible activity level of half this town make us point the finger at each other. @Sheth you're exactly right. I'm ghosting on Prob's analysis of you. Gonzaw ghosted on it too and has already put a placeholder vote on you. I REALLY don't like that. He says that your words in your defense could have an effect on changing his mind, but that he won't be around to see it. WHAT IS THAT? This is a really important time in this game. We really need a lynch on mafia. That doesn't sit well with me. Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Also, your crazy to not think that there is no relation between who you analyse and find scummy and whether or not you are scum. If the person we follow along with the most picks 3 town in a row, theres a solid chance hes mafia. If the person we follow kills 3 mafia in a row, theres a solid chance hes town. I don't know how you can't agree with that.
@Everyone The phrase I bolded is really interesting to me. It seems like the town (including myself) has followed Probulous without much question. He has posted so much many long posts so often that we have written him off as town without thought and reanalysis. Do you think that Probulous is getting by without enough criticism? He's not a D2 lynch target by any means, but do you think that is true? This is NOT FOS, I'm just asking a question.
Why would you bring this up? Go post you're analysis of Probulous instead of trying to create suspicion. If you think it's a bad choice, read his filter, and come back and post why. There is absolutely no reason to post this publicly as town, I feel.
Also, you are so unbelievably wishy-washy on Sheth. First you say that Probu's case, as well as my post about Sheth, casts a "Dark Cloud" over him. Than you say how you aren't comfortable with lynching him.
Who do *YOU* want to Lynch, than, and Why?
On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote:
As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it.
I'm not going to bear with you. This is, yet again, more bandwagon that we can't have right now - not to mention that you're not playing transparent at all. WHY do you want to kill Sheth. Saying you have a gut feeling is garbage - something is giving you that feeling. If you don't have the evidence to back up you're feelings, you shouldn't be voting in the first place.
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Yeah, you want to target Blurry or Hippo because they are most likely to respond to you.
Let me say this - voting for a lurker in sub-optimal at this point. If we were going to do it at all, we should have done it day one, but we can't just decide to vote for a lurker. Which do we choose? Why? What if he flips town and we waste another day of lynching? Do we try at another lurker?
No. It's already widely known that lurkers break games, but we can't do anything about it at this point. There isn't enough information to press on Gretorp/Xeris because they probably won't respond to pressure anyway, and that tells us nothing. Town has only one KP with the lynch, and wasting that to kill a lurker (which is a roll of the dice as it is) is a waste.
As it is, Hippo is still playing pretty anti-town. Blatantly disregards what he posts previously (still waiting for that analysis post, bro) and we essentially have 3-4 people in the town that aren't doing anything.
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Cats is still my scummiest player right now. I'm leaving in a little bit - not sure I will be back by night post. I will probably vote for Cats before I leave, but Sheth is pretty close to that rung as well. If I can get back in time, I will re-evaluate.
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Yeah, that's what i'm going to do.
##Vote: CatsnHats
For the record, if the lurkers force a no lynch because they can't get on to post, i'll be pretty pissed off. I believe we need six to lynch, and we have had, what, 5 people post in the past 24 hours? Sigh.
I implore everyone to think logically and read filter/analysis and THINK FOR YOURSELF. I have a scum read on Cats. It doesn't mean everyone does.
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Posted from iPod.
First, I think Sheth and Cats are equally scummy. Pretty sure if one flips the other will too. What Probu said earlier is slighty irrelevant about Sheths ability to control town because he has more town cred than Cats, because if we have both tagged as scum, it shouldn't matter. Also, me changing my vote earlier was impossible because as I said, I was out.
That being said, lynch is better than no lynch.
Also, Don't say I'm convinced about his attempt to live. Also, don't say you were the first to FoS Sheth. Even if it might be true, it's not pro town.
##vote LiquidSheth
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On January 09 2012 10:37 CatsnHats wrote: Well fuck I'm dead. Nice work Probulous and Cephiro.
What the fuck?
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Nothing. Not worth typing it out. I'll save it for post game.
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Mafia - Sheth Cats Blurry
Next game.
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