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Glad to see Sheth here. Let's get the activity started. | ||
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Echoing what is posted previously, it should be noted that contribution can only help town, as more posts means more analysis which can help root out who the scum players are. Just wondering Probulous, why do you want to know how many games only those four players have played? | ||
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Having no-lynches is pretty stupid. We have no Vig KP. We win the game by killing the mafia, IE: by lynching. Even miss-lynching gives information of some kind, and only in very specific circumstances is a no-lynch acceptable. If we miss-lynch town, we gain information. The only thing that is gained from a no-lynch is another [possible] Detective read, which can weed out Mafia, but at this point, we don't even know if we have that. No lynches simply give the mafia a chance to get ahead in numbers with no repercussions. | ||
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On January 04 2012 12:13 CookieMaker wrote: Incorrect: We get more information, especially if we can get the participation level up a little bit. There's also going to be more posts from all players(god hopefully) before the day is through. Clearly the pool of prime lynch candidates is shallow at the moment. I will be voting for the player with the lowest vote total until I see a better option. Explain how we get more information. | ||
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On January 04 2012 12:23 CookieMaker wrote: We get more information because SOMEONE still gets scum-killed. The hypothetical you in this conversation gets no additional information because they already knew who the town is. @Gonz I am going on the assumption that any inactives will be talking in a hurry before the 24hour mark is up. I'm very interested to see who pipe's up just before the noose gets tied Right, and a townie will get killed by scum regardless if we lynch or not. So if we no-lynch, we have a 100% chance of losing a townie. Voting patterns, discussion of the kill, ect. ect. all lends itself to more analysis. If we simply no lynch, we learn a lot less than a miss-lynch. It shouldn't have to be said that having solid analysis and evidence to back up vote claims is always a needed thing, but even so, miss-lynches happen. Remember, Town has no Vig, so we win the game by lynching. | ||
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On January 04 2012 18:07 CookieMaker wrote: Jab and dodge eh? I like your style. I'd actually also like his opinion. At the moment I am very content with the way the town is developing. There is clearly a trust developing among several players who employ similar town-favored tactics. Also, I enjoy watching Sheth stir the pot, but he's kinda leaving the lid off without giving it a chance to boil. I'm interested to see what our current inactives have to say; I think even the majority of the Nords have already piped up. And now I sleep in the hopes that during the night little elves will come and whisper in the ears of our inactives, and whence they rise an impulse stronger than coffee shall empower their mouse cursors to look at their TeamLiquid PM's and realize that they should be posting in this thread about their regret at not having posted sooner. Tunkeg I'm giving you some leeway because of the timezone comment but I swear to Odin.... Thought of some cute food for thought: Surely rotten eggs will indeed be the those whom first crack in the steamer RE: CookieMaker You never responded to me about the no-lynch/miss-lynch after I posted in return. Don't you think it's somewhat beneficial for town to get it out of the way before the situation occurs, so that we are more prepared when it happens? Or do you not care about the town thought process? I just read through you're filter, Cookie. I noticed two things: 1. The majority of you're post is crap filler. It's posts of fluff that can be found in either the Original Post or a mafia wiki. 2. When you do post something of substance, it doesn't assist us. You're above post looks good, right? And you talk about how you like the "Jab and Dodge" style. But it seems you are doing a whole lot of dodging, and not a lot of jabbing. Than you talk about elves coming into the game, and than a haiku. Stop feigning activity. RE: AnxiousHippo + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2012 10:45 AnxiousHippo wrote: Haha, hey. I don't really know what to do early on. Last game (the only other I've played) I think someone got lynched for something really stupid like asking for help. Scum is often afraid to make accusations and contradict themselves. They may say one thing today and the opposite tomorrow. In bigger games they might just lurk and post very occasionally to avoid attention but I don't think we'll have to worry about that so much this game since there's only 12 people. I don't have the slightest idea as to how to make a plan though. Like you're doing now? You came in with a piece of good advice (which, admittedly, could have built on, but was ok none-the-less) and say how mafia *might just lurk and post very occasionally,* so than you post very occasionally. I am going to say the same thing to you as I said to Cookie. You are posting to pretend to be active. Post to be active. | ||
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On January 05 2012 02:38 Cephiro wrote: I see, good of you to clarify that. After re-reading your filter a few times, I personally think that you have posted a lot of opinions, but not that much analysis. I do see your point what you're getting at, and I also do understand your opinion about my analysis post. I do have to agree with you they don't tell that much yet, but I am trying to provide others an idea of my opinions at the moment, and raising dicussion to help me clarify my reads. Might also have to do with me still being excited to get this game started. Hopefully they will answer your question posts seriously so we'll get more content thanks to you. I am not suscpicious of you either, but your recent answer enables me to get a better understanding of your playstyle, which I thank you for. About your question as of Jitsu's post, it seems like he likes to concentrate his play on a few persons, which is very understandable. For me that post is making me lean to slightly-town on him, but I would like to see him take contact to more persons and his opinions about others too. If he isolates himself to only put pressure on these two it can have it's good sides, but at least I want to hear more of his thoughts before I say anything. He hasn't posted very much yet, but I still don't think he's scum. There are reasons for this. And there hasn't been a major reason to post a lot yet. I think I've spoken a fair amount in the posts I have written. Quality of quantity. | ||
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On January 05 2012 04:54 gonzaw wrote: EBWOP: Nobody mentioned RL yet, why did you? Anyways, just so we get the RNG lynch our of the way, this is what I think of it (feel free to ignore it if you want though, it doesn't really add anything new to the discussion): I think the point of random lynch is, first, to have EVERYBODY ABSOLUTELY AGREE to lynch whoever is chosen. Then, we somehow randomly choose someone (we can make everybody RNG someone, and the one that comes up the most is chosen). Although scum will surely choose themselves, and will surely not choose a fellow scum member for the lynch, so this gives us info too. Then, we decide to lynch the guy. If nobody objects and completely agrees, then we can be sure that player is town (scum would flip their shit if their team member is RLed on Day 1). If somebody objects, then maybe he's scum (and his scumbuddies are objecting), or it's just a townie changing his mind. In any case, you don't lynch anybody, you use it as a ruse to get information and get confirmed townies and stuff. The gist of it is not mentioning this to anyone though. Anyways, I don't know if this can work or not, so maybe in Post-Game (or now if you want) we can discuss it more thoroughly. RNG is a bad idea. This is a game about limited information. No real information is gleaned from RNG a lynch. What happens if you nail a mafia member? Nice! What happens if you nail a townie. You just learn that that individual player was green. Glean information from posts, sort it, filter it, analyze it. Posting and lynching based on evidence is a better theory than randomly trying to pull numbers out of a hat and hopefully snag mafia. I hope by Day 2, people will have enough reads and analysis where a random lynch wouldn't even have to be mentioned. I'd still like to hear from CookieMaker and AnxiousHippo. For one who posted with a lot early activity, and the other who preached it, they surely have dropped off the radar. | ||
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On January 05 2012 05:37 gonzaw wrote: Yes, that's the point. You ACT like if you were going to make a lynch based on RNG, but in fact you don't. It's used to get info. If the guy chosen by the RNG is scum, I'm sure scum members will freak out. If the guy is townie, I'm sure nobody will freak out (except that guy obviously). After the guy to lynch is decided, and everybody voices their opinions, you just say "lol jk I wont' random lynch him" and just play normally. Of course I think this may be best suited for a Mayor for instance, since I think those choose the lynch on Day 1, or some similar role (it would be kind of impossible to pull this off in a normal setup). RE: Gonzaw/RNG: I understand the idea of it, but in a newbie game, I think you are thinking to hard into it. Also, especially now, I think it would be too hard to effectively play that way, simply because scum now know that if one of them RNG's, that guy is dead weight and will probably be killed regardless. Alternatively, RNG'ing a blue might force a reveal, which might be equally as bad. I like the idea a little. I like backing up lynches with logically posts a lot. We have two days from the beginning of Day 1 to analyze enough posts to find something to go one. | ||
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Ahhhh, I see what you are talking about. Well, let's focus on this game, than, eh? Gonzaw, give me you're opinion on three people: Myself (Jitsu), Cookie, and Cephiro. | ||
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On January 05 2012 06:40 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, for one, I agree with most of your posts. I agree with your points about having a lynch on Day 1. I agree with you that Cookie is acting strange. The only things he posted where the 50/50 chance of there being a DT thing, and him advocating no-lynch. Plus what I already stated about him, that he said he just wanted to vote the player with less votes, effectively ridding him of any responsability for the lynch. However, you only discussed those things and this whole RNG thing, and I'm not that content with that. You also pressured AnxiousHippo, and then you never came back to that. At the very least, you could have pressured vote him, so you know he will have to respond to you some time in the future. I'd like your response to why you didn't continue to pressure AnxiousHippo. Also I'd like you to contribute more regarding other players, like Liquidseth (sp?), Gretorp, Catshats, etc. Speaking of which, it might be a good time to actually pressure AnxiousHippo too. Regarding Cephiro: I think he's one of the 2 players contributing more here, with the other one being Probulous (although he's been fairly inactive for some hours, I'll just assume it's the time zone thing). I like his enthusiasm and activity, that seems fairly pro-town, but I don't like that he's "trusting" a lot of people and having too many "town reads" for the moment, and basicly no scum reads. I'm waiting for his response to my post too. RE: Hippo Pressure I was giving him the benefit of the doubt when it came to time zones, seeing as how it's just becoming 7AM where he lives in Australia. If it's painfully obvious that he's blatantly ignoring my posts, than the heat comes on. I pressed him twice, third time is the charm. A lot of people pretend to be aggressive when they just make bullshit posts. I don't believe i'm one of them. RE: Cookie I see. I agree mostly with the thoughts on Cookie. Strange indeed. @Cephiro, what are your thoughts on CookieMaker? | ||
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RE: Sheth After I red his filter, I have a town feel from him. He's still null, but leaning town. He's putting a little but of pressure on Cats, but he totally lets Cephiro off the hook after he posts his general town reads. Not sure if he's using the fact that Cephiro posted this morning as a cop-out to not having to post a real read, or if his post was actually against Cephiro. He has his initial post, which I thought was good. Few posts of filler and helping out newbs, and than this golden, awesome post about how he's going to make a post in the morning about something that is bothering him!!! Hype Hype Hype...Hype...hy..pe...Let down. I don't like that. If you are going to post that you are going to make a post later, save your post count and do it than, or do it later. No announcements to announcements. RE: Gretorp Too little information to really make a read as of right now, but I'm getting a null-green feeling if anything. RE: Catsnhats + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 01:52 CatsnHats wrote: As for Tunkeg's aggression, right now I'm leaning towards overaggressive townie prodding for reads as opposed to a mafia running smokescreen for himself by accusing others. That being said, 3 accusations on 3 different targets in 3 subsequent posts is a little too much. If he keeps it up at that pace I'll be much more suspicious. 3 accusations on 3 targets in 3 posts might be too much, but it's a shit-ton better than 0 accusations on 0 targets in a small amount of posts. Out of the three players, you are giving me the hardest scum read out of all. The filler in his post is basically him going through the motions and agreeing/disagreeing with what people have said already. As of right now, I think you need to post something with substance. You said that you are waiting for the last few lurkers to post. The last few lurkers have posted. Where are you're reads at? | ||
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Wanted to see who you're reads are. Keep up the activity. @Hippo - Since I know you and Cookie are here now (Now that everyone was starting to get suspicious of the two of you), if you had the ability to kill one person right now, who would it be, and why? @Cookie - Not sold on his post. Seems like it's forced to me, almost like he already knows the fact that Cephiro is town. Not to mention that he's promising more information later! Let's hope he actually comes through, and that it's accurate. Not to mention you still ignored my questions at you. You are saying that people are putting inconsistent things in you're mouth? Things like what? I'll take quotations. @Cephiro- You ignored me as well. What are you're thoughts on CookieMaker? | ||
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On January 05 2012 09:04 Cephiro wrote: I did not ignore your question. I will however give you an up-dated opinion once Cookie posts the rest of his reads, so please wait until that. (I am waiting for it myself quite eagerly) Ohhhhh, Cephiro. I read that wrong. I was under the impression that you we're claiming those things on me. Totally read it wrong. | ||
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CookieMaker. He is currently on the bottom of my list. | ||
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Going to skip reading your Cephiro filter until I can look it over, since you obviously think you have him tagged as most scum. I don't want to be biased from you're post. | ||
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RE: Prob. Accusation - I like the accusation against Cephiro. Before I post my thoughts on him, I want to see his response to you're accusations. I know that this is contradictory to "statement of a statement" hate, but in this situation, it's warranted. @Catsnhats - I think you're scum. First, you start off on the wrong foot by lurking. You're very first post after game start is a post essentially saying "Sorry for not posting, I was reading though!" Second post, Sheth calls you out for being committed to no-lynch policy. Than you back up and reword it saying that you know it's a scum-tell to be committed to a policy lynch. You admitted it. But than you realized you fucked up, and try to backtrack in the same post, throwing suspicion off of you. Read this, and tell me how back it looks. On January 04 2012 11:52 CatsnHats wrote: Yeah I'm around. Just reading the thread and getting a sense of the situation since I've never played before. It would seem that not lynching unless reasonably certain would be the way to go. Although I'm not sure how we could be certain of anything on D1. On January 04 2012 12:34 CatsnHats wrote: Thanks CookieMaker for the link. And you're right Sheth, if I am leaning toward no lynch that would be a red flag for scum. But wouldn't emphatically being in favor of a lynch be a red flag for scum too since the odds are in favor of townie being accidentally chosen? Oh God this is gonna be so meta. Than, in the post RIGHT AFTER IT, you try to joke around with the guy putting pressure on you, and than 100% flip from you're original thoughts on no-lynch policy. You say that we need to lynch, because "any information gleaned" is still information. What happened to you're stance of not lynching unless reasonably certain? I think, even though you try to rectify it later, you realized you're mistake too late. You already made the slip, so at that point, you tried to simply recover. On January 05 2012 01:44 CatsnHats wrote: Lurking around at the beginning, writing a paragraph of text that amounts to nothing, and then OMGUS-ing the person that prods you... not a good look Gretorp. Pretty scummy if you ask me. You take this information and don't do anything with it. You sit there, daring him to respond, but afraid to piss him off. The first two comments are things that YOU DID YOURSELF and yet you accuse another player of it. "Hold on while I try to direct attention away from me." You continue spouting stuff out which really doesn't have that much substance to it. You accuse Tunkeg of being "overaggressive townie." How does that translate into you becoming suspicious to him!? In the same post, you tell him that you will become suspicious of him if he keeps his aggression up. Are you afraid he will change his target to you? Or one of you're mafia friends? After that, you change you're top three scum-reads on two people who haven't even given enough analysis to decide yet. How can you have a scum read on someone who hasn't posted more than a page, let alone more than three total posts? Than you get on CookieMaker. You're first and last choice to lynch are obviously lurker policy kills. Divert that attention, bro. You jump on Gretorp after a few people already did, giving me the impression that you are bandwagon voting. Interesting. Than you keep pressing and pressing Gretorp, hoping and hoping he will post something. It seems like you think you slipped under the radar. You didn't. ##Vote: CatsnHats | ||
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Damn, you're "Big Read" is of a suspected town player. And another suspected town player. Instead of posting who you think the Town players are, why don't you actually give us some reads on who the Scum players are? I think that would be more beneficial in a game where finding Mafia matters. Especially since we're 24 hours in and I don't clearly recall you posting any scum tell. At all. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:10 CatsnHats wrote: @Jitsu You have so much wrong about me I don't know where to start. I waited around 2 hours and 30 posts before I first commented. How is that lurking, especially for it being my first game? Others waited much longer and did not draw your attention. I was the second person to talk about Gretorp, and I was the first to call him out on his response to Tunkeg's prod. And how could I have changed my top 3 scum reads when that was the first time I posted them? Gretorp stayed on the list, Xeris advocated no-lynch, and CM had been very shady (as was explained in the post and echoed by others later). I kept pressing and pressing Gretorp because I stuck to my stance and he hadn't answered yet, but that is explained because he works all day for NASL. I await his response. I appreciate your concern, and like your aggression for me to explain myself. I have a town read for you, and I hope this clarifies things. It doesn't. Now you're sitting here defending yourself instead of finding more mafia before we eventually lynch you. Want the vote to go away? Find someone better for us to kill. Right now, you're just flopping you're arms trying to stay afloat. Allow me to help you by tying a brick to you're ankle. @Prob - You we're just talking about busing. What do you think of Cookie's vote selection. I really find it humorous that the first time Cookie decides to acknowledge me, it's because I've backed him into a corner and he doesn't have a solid way out. Way to prove to yourself that you are town, bro! Now you have to do it to the rest of us, and that shit ain't flying with me. Don't jump on my bandwagon willy-nilly and expect to get away with it. This town is formed on positive reads and analysis. Tell us why you're fellow scum player is scum. | ||
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I has to do with that, but a few other things too. Reread Cat's analysis, and get back to me. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:31 Jitsu wrote: @Prof. I has to do with that, but a few other things too. Reread Cat's analysis, and get back to me. @Prob*. typo. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:37 Probulous wrote: I assume I am the Prof I had Cats pegged as scum already, nothing he has done has convinced me otherwise. I would be willing to change my vote if Cephiro is not going to get lynched today. But only once he has returned. Agreed, I had my eye on him as well, at least since I felt like it was appropriate to ask him his reads. I think it's important to hear what Cephiro says, but I am not 100% sold on him at the moment, especially with recent developments. That's why I thought it was necessarily to bring up Cats. | ||
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On January 05 2012 13:53 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok, because we have two good reads on scum CatsNHats and Cephiro, I'd like to talk about something else until they come back. There is a chance there is a detective. There is a chance there is a medic. If you are the detective, you should NOT choose the person who you think will die during the night. You should pick someone who you'd like to know about and isn't likely to be killed soon, and who would really help town to know about. If you are the medic, you should choose the few people who you think mafia might want dead on this night and WIFOM in between them. However this night you have an advantage, and you might for future nights as well. Mafia isn't sure you exist. The best % they have is that if they have a roleblocker, there's a 50% chance you exist. Because of this, I'd recommend if you exist simply use your ability on who you think is the most townie. Also, if you've found one mafia you should come out in the open and tell us about it. There are other situations where either medic or detective should come out, such as if you know 3 confirmed town and were nearing LYLO. Use your best judgement on those situations. Does everyone agree that if you find a mafia the detective should come out with them? RE: Sheth/DT Reveal I'd be much more content with a DT breadcrumbing evidence and reads/reveals in the thread. That way if he dies, we can go back and look at his filter's to gain insight. Of course, if the DT we're to come up for some reason (mafia claiming they are DT, ect. ect.) than the medic obviously has discovered his core role. | ||
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On January 05 2012 20:22 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! There is plenty of discussion in the mean-time where questions like these waste more logical thought than is required. If you want to WIFOM the proposed blue specials, do it later, but as of right now, there are better things to discuss, especially with the limited time we have left in the day to center our votes on someone. The DT and Medic are both roles that will need to be smart about who they use it for. Why are you even bringing in a Vig/Role Blocker when they aren't even in the game for the Town? I think there is a better question to be asked right now. Cookie subbed out at a bad time for you Tea. I don't think i'm the only one that is suspicious of the role that Cookie was given. Now, onto the second part that caught my eye. The bolded part at the end - the simple "you." I assume the "Abstinence lets scum hide among "you" refers to the town. However, since I was given the role of VT, I would have worded it as "us." Scum slip this early? Not a good start. I still think that if Cats flips red, you will too. But I also think that you're role is red. | ||
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On January 06 2012 02:30 A Killer Cuppa Tea wrote: Don't you think these could just as easily be newbslips rather then scumslips? 'least, thats the way it looks to me. On the contrary, i find that asking questions such as these provide responses which can be most telling! I know that there isnt a vig or a blocker in the game right now, but those are the standard four questions i tend to ask in mafia games (i usually play closed setups). Its not so much what you'd do with your role, its your reasoning that proves to be interesting. Incidentally, it appears that you think i am asking these questions in order to wine the actual power roles and scums attitude towards them. This is not the case - i am asking because this is a tool i have always found helpful to help hunt scum! As for the part that you bolded - i thought it was clear that the "You" referred to the people who abstained, not town as a whole. It seems you are clutching at straws! Are you asking me to roleclaim? Because i don't want to do that regardless of what my role is. I've always considered Role Claims to be Bad (with a capital B!) and only to be used as a last resort. I'm nowhere near my last resort yet. After all, i just started playing! I understand that CM has left me in a bit of a poor spot...i'd like to remind you that Newbs often make slips that look scummy but are in fact newbslips. Too many times i've mislynched newbs for these slips! I'd further like to ask that you judge me on the posts that i make if possible (the quantity of which will hopefully rise soon). Whilst i of course understand that this slot wasn't played solely by me, its rather more difficult to defend CM then it is to defend myself, because i dont know what drove his actions, yknow? As for my reads...i'm getting a couple of light ones right now, but i'd rather do it justice and make one Big post (like my Mechanics post) so that i can both collect all my reads in one place and give ample reasoning behind them. I intend to sit down for an hour or so to do this properly later on tonight when i can have an unbroken hour of just mafia. I'll prolly end up writing a couple of paragraphs on each player stating what i think of em. Where did I suggest you role claim? If you view it as such a bad idea, why would you even bring that notion up? Really? It's rather hard to judge you based on you're posts now when we all have our own reads on players now. Just because you came in and subbed out doesn't mean you're role changed, similar to how if I subbed out now, people should still view my replacement as if it was me. Instead of telling us to disregard everything that was posted in you're capacity, come up with reasons now why we should disregard previous play. RE: Gonzaw - It's a scum slip that I said the proposed blue roles, and that DT and Medic need to be smart on who to activate their specials on. I think you're reading way too far into it. I'll say it again, as well as reiterate what has been said many times prior; talking about Blue roles at this point is stupid. We have no reason to even bring it up since this is lynch day, and we don't even know if they are in the game, as you said. RE: Sheth/Votes - Before I even decide to switch my vote to Cephiro, I want to see his response to the accusation post by Probu. That being said, I will have to re-read his entire filter again and make a judgement, but a lot of things Cephiro said early was pretty damning. I have a question Sheth - earlier, you went to sleep teasing us with a post about some posts that were worrying you. The next day, you let us down by not giving us the post you said you were going to because the person under suspicion (Cephiro) came out with a [not very strong] analysis of every player in the game at the time, pretty much saying everyone was town and no one was really scummy. Than you came out and in the next post in the thread, jump on the Cephiro bandwagon, and start trying to get others to jump on it too. Sheth, I've played two (including this game) games with you, but I do know you like to play logically. Can you post you're original feelings about Cephiro, and than how you're thoughts transformed throughout the game from newb null read to scum read? What do you have to say to Cephiro if he said you were slightly neutral to scum? Are you town, Sheth? @Cephiro - Along with you're defense, I have something to add as well. There are a lot of times early in the game where you are pushing the idea that you are town. A lot of what you said seems forced to me. Also, there is a point where you are jumping back and forth between a miss-lynch and no-lynch policy. Reading that from a scum point of view, it's almost like you are trying to put the idea back into the idea of the town. What do you think of Sheth at this time, and why? | ||
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And you are telling me to stop talking about blue roles when i've said twice now that it's pointless to talk about them. | ||
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To be honest, i'm not 100% sold on Cephiro being Scum right now. I feel more along the lines that he is a newb town and doesn't really know how to play, and thinks the game is more of a mathematical equation than a game of psychology. That being said, he is no where near being off the lynch post yet. I feel the smarter lynch right now is AKCT. Not because of everything he said (I truly believe that his post earlier had a scum slip) but because of my thoughts on interaction between Cats and Cookie. A lot of things Cookie said early was scummy to me, especially when I called him out about the no-lynch, and my gut level reactions have gone down on him since. He's bottom three on my tells (Top to Bottom, top being most town, bottom being most scum). ##vote A Killer Cuppa Tea | ||
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On January 06 2012 08:25 CatsnHats wrote: @Cephiro I was about to ask you to change your vote to Tea, but you did it before I could finish. Tea/CM was on my scum list the whole time (check my filter), so I'm fine with lynching him instead of a no-lynch D1. ##vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea This nowhere near exonerates you. You lurk until a vote swing changes, than you come up and vote. My vote right now is staying where I just casted it. You say he's been on you're scum list, and we should check you're filter. According to you're filter, you have scum reads on Gretorp, Myself, Sheth, Probu, Xeris, and Cookie. That's a lot of mafia in a 12 player game. Regardless, you have 72 hours after the lynch to find a better target. And I have 72 hours to find you a deeper hole. | ||
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On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote: I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea ##Unvote: Xeris ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea Pretty ironic that you haven't been able to read up on anything because you have been so busy, yet you know that he goes by the name "Tea" even though that post was a few pages back. | ||
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On January 06 2012 08:41 CatsnHats wrote: You (Jitsu), Sheth, and Probu weren't on my scum reads, you put those in my mouth. Take those 3 away, and what do you have? Gretorp, Xeris, and Cookie. That's 3! How many mafia are there? THREE. On January 05 2012 14:45 CatsnHats wrote: For the record, I guess it is possible that Jitsu, Sheth, and Prob are the three mafia trying to pressure me from the beginning into voting for a target of their choice. I find it highly unlikely, however, that all three of you would be so vocal and hold such a majority of the spotlight, as this would certainly be a risky play. So I feel good about the vote switch. I just wanted to get this thought out there. | ||
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I think that's it for me for the night. Final thoughts. I think that AKCT could have defended himself (a little bit). RE: Next day lynch - We have 72 hours now. My reads are going to focus hard on Catsnhats, at least right now. I still have this overriding feeling that he was scum, but I didn't think if anyone was convinced 30 minutes before lynch, I wouldn't have been able to change anyone's mind anyway. I urge everyone now - go back into Filter's, everyones, and organize you're data. Find you're top three people you think we should be focusing on, and WHY. Shit, I can't stress that enough. If you have no way to back you're claims up - it doesn't matter. RE: Hippo - I think you are playing pretty anti-town right now. Clean your shit up. If you are indeed town, contribute. I'll reiterate, you say that you weren't in the forum, and you weren't caught up, so you couldn't make a mindful judgement, but you call someone by a nickname they said that they are referred as pages prior? Please. You were following the thread the whole time. I know it. You know it. RE: Gretorp/Xeris Post more. You're post count is shit compared to the other players contributing. How are we supposed to root out scummy play when at least three people in the game doing even comment OR VOTE? Gretorp, you said you were be on at least once to post some analysis. Where is it? Get it together - Sheth's credibility is on the line, at least for this game it is. RE: Xeris - You know and have played with Sheth before. On January 05 2012 12:57 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Well, the Xeris thing is based completely on the fact that I know him really well IRL and we've played mafia a bunch before. He is really bad mafia. Like he'd be lurking and mod killed if he was mafia. So, since you're lurking and in danger of being mod killed, we can assume you're automatically mafia than, am I right? RE: Probu - Do me a favor. Go back and read over Gretorp's filter. I want you to really analyze what he's saying. You are my strongest town read at the moment. Just check over his filter and let me know. I think he's town. Want you're opinion. Bed time. | ||
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On January 06 2012 11:32 CatsnHats wrote: Ok guys. I don't really want to do this, but I'm going to since it really is the best for the town. I think all of you should vote to lynch me on D2. I've come to realize that I am a terrible player of this game, especially as a townie (with no role I might add!). I should have found the newbie forum or got a better idea of this game before i signed up to play it. My first few posts I made before I realized the psychological and analytical implications of this game handicapped me and I've been playing the defensive ever since. After the bad start I put myself in, my goal was to make it past D1, which I did, so I'm fine with getting lynched if it's agreeable amongst everyone (I'm sure the scum will agree). All I have really done is distract you all from the real the scum with my terrible play, and that's not fair to the town. I also admit, I haven't added much in the way of original analysis because I was afraid that it would put me in even more hot water. The obviously wasn't the right play. Maybe you all can get D2 sped up if the mods allow it so anymore scumhunting time isn't wasted. This probably isn't the correct time to do it since it's N1, but for the record. ##Vote: CatsnHats For the record: in light of CM/Tea turning up green, I think it takes some heat of you Ceph. You (and the rest of the town) should spend your time looking into Xeris and Gretorp (because of questionable/contradictory posting when not lurking) and pressuring AnxiousHippo, a player who has gone unnoticed to others because of all of the accusations going around. He's made filler posts, keeps making excuses for not reading through everything, and throws out a placeholder vote for Xeris and a very bandwagon vote for CookieMaker/Tea. Quoted below: Sheth, what do you think of this post? | ||
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On January 07 2012 05:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote: This post seems like its one of two things. 1. Hes honestly just a newb who isn't dealing with the pressure very well. It happens and this post is just his way of taking the pressure off of him. 2. His scum buddies helped him post something that looks good and will take pressure off of him. I just CANT see him posting this as scum by himself. And this post seems like it was written exactly by CatsnHats, not by an outside helper as far as I can tell. Things like "this probably isn't the correct time" then still doing it, just seems very like cats. So, as I'm not convinced hes not mafia, I don't think he should be a lynch for us in day 2. If he is mafia he will definetly make some silly mistakes as we go along or he'll be dead. And as for you're opinion, do you think he is mafia or town? | ||
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On January 07 2012 05:34 Liquid`Sheth wrote: I'm leaning town as of now. I stick by the fact that if hes mafia he'll make some huge mistake soon. That doesn't fly with me. Let me explain why. On January 04 2012 12:17 Liquid`Sheth wrote: CatsnHats, welcome to your first game of mafia. You say "Not lynching unless reasonably certain". This is a scummy thing to say, as its leaning towards not lynching today. You realize there is no way to be "reasonably certain" on day one. Get it together and find some scum, or I'm picking you for our day one lynch. Nice first post. You jump on CatsnHats for doing scummy things. Perfect, exactly what I would like to see from a first post from someone. You get him, jump right up there and pressure that little weasel... On January 04 2012 13:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote: CatsnHats come on, be counteragressive. I'm picking on you for no real reason. I just want to get you to toughen up. If it comes down to it at the end and someone is agressive like this against you, and you just KNOW hes mafia, you better toughen up. As of now, I'm going to sleep. So far I've seen one post that worries me. Will tell you guys in the morning :D! ...wait, what the shit is this? You start pressuring someone, than let off because you think he's new. Why does being new matter? So he can't be responsible for his own actions? Why are you letting him off the hook so easily without even squeezing him a little bit? On January 07 2012 05:34 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @CatsNHats -You seem oh so scummy. Whats your take on lynching Cephiro? Would you be willing to join in on this little train we're starting? Anyone else willing to hop on board, don't forget to pack a vote. This was the post right after you vote Cephiro. After Probu posts his analysis, you step right on that train, right away. The only form of suspicion you threw on Cephiro was more wobbly than a Jenga tower. Than as soon as someone else votes for him, you vote for him. You even say that you saw some things that looked like he was scummy, but you let him off the hook too. Weird. On January 05 2012 12:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Another thing I should say I geuss : Don't base me being "Liquid`Sheth" on any reads here. I play mafia to WIN. I'm going to kill people heartlessly. You won't get out of an argument with me because I'm feeling nice. Its stupid to just trust me because that I'm someone you've watched. If I was streaming me playing mafia, I'd be the IdrA of mafia. Only scum would not want to lynch me based on me being "Sheth", it fits inside that little bracket of not wanting to upset others and just staying in the middle. So basically next person who says something like "oh no sheth can't be mafia because hes sheth" I'm going to assume is a little scummier. Just figured I should post this as we win as a team and lose as a team, and I wouldn't want you guys who feel the same way about Xeris or Gretorp to not kill them because you know them. If there scummy, were going to steal Xeris' chair and not give Gretorp a hug. Ok, because I honestly can't stay mean for too long, I wuv u Duran + Andre <3 lol You are the IdrA of Mafia? Ok. So why did you stop putting all forms of pressure on Cats so early? + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 23:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure. 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? NOT Probulous, as I'd be worried he was going to die at night, I'd determine someone such as Gonzaw or Tunkeg. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? Probably no one, if I was forced to kill someone (Town CK) I'd probably kill A K C T (Cookie Maker) or Cephiro, depending on who we lynch. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) I'd probably RB either Cephiro or Cookie, depending on who we lynch. 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. I have a vote on Cephiro. Its explained in two posts that I posted earlier + Prob's analysis. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! Now you're opinion went from Cats being scummy, to him being new? Than AKCT goes up for lynching, and you jump to that one with new real analysis posting. At that point, it was a bandwagon lynch, but what was YOU'RE Reasoning? RE: Hippo - I just realized how you worded this. On January 05 2012 16:04 AnxiousHippo wrote: I might not be able to go through everything in time so I'll make a placeholder vote and hope I have time tomorrow morning to change it if need be. ##vote:Xeris This is more of a pressure vote atm, since all his done is said he disagrees with RL and then says he doesn't want to lynch at all first day. Since all the pressure's been on cephira and CM he's been quiet. You say that you will go over everything tomorrow morning and change a vote if need be. What? If it's not on time, you will just not vote, or leave it on Xeris? On January 06 2012 08:36 AnxiousHippo wrote: I haven't been able to go through everything as well as I hoped but we need a lynch. There was a lot of discussion on Cephiro but I haven't been able to read through it thoroughly enough so I'm going for Tea ##Unvote: Xeris ##Vote: A Killer Cuppa Tea Wow. Stellar. So you jump on this lynch train and don't even bother to explain why. Not only that, but you pretty much indicate that you are going off of what other people have discussed, and not come up with anything concrete on you're own, pretty much re-leaving all pressure from you if it's a miss-lynch. | ||
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@Catsnhats - I think you're scum. First, you start off on the wrong foot by lurking. You're very first post after game start is a post essentially saying "Sorry for not posting, I was reading though!" Second post, Sheth calls you out for being committed to no-lynch policy. Than you back up and reword it saying that you know it's a scum-tell to be committed to a policy lynch. You admitted it. But than you realized you fucked up, and try to backtrack in the same post, throwing suspicion off of you. Read this, and tell me how back it looks. On January 04 2012 11:52 CatsnHats wrote: Yeah I'm around. Just reading the thread and getting a sense of the situation since I've never played before. It would seem that not lynching unless reasonably certain would be the way to go. Although I'm not sure how we could be certain of anything on D1. On January 04 2012 12:34 CatsnHats wrote: Thanks CookieMaker for the link. And you're right Sheth, if I am leaning toward no lynch that would be a red flag for scum. But wouldn't emphatically being in favor of a lynch be a red flag for scum too since the odds are in favor of townie being accidentally chosen? Oh God this is gonna be so meta. Than, in the post RIGHT AFTER IT, you try to joke around with the guy putting pressure on you, and than 100% flip from you're original thoughts on no-lynch policy. You say that we need to lynch, because "any information gleaned" is still information. What happened to you're stance of not lynching unless reasonably certain? I think, even though you try to rectify it later, you realized you're mistake too late. You already made the slip, so at that point, you tried to simply recover. On January 05 2012 01:44 CatsnHats wrote: Show nested quote + Lurking around at the beginning, writing a paragraph of text that amounts to nothing, and then OMGUS-ing the person that prods you... not a good look Gretorp. Pretty scummy if you ask me. You take this information and don't do anything with it. You sit there, daring him to respond, but afraid to piss him off. The first two comments are things that YOU DID YOURSELF and yet you accuse another player of it. "Hold on while I try to direct attention away from me." You continue spouting stuff out which really doesn't have that much substance to it. You accuse Tunkeg of being "overaggressive townie." How does that translate into you becoming suspicious to him!? In the same post, you tell him that you will become suspicious of him if he keeps his aggression up. Are you afraid he will change his target to you? Or one of you're mafia friends? After that, you change you're top three scum-reads on two people who haven't even given enough analysis to decide yet. How can you have a scum read on someone who hasn't posted more than a page, let alone more than three total posts? Than you get on CookieMaker. You're first and last choice to lynch are obviously lurker policy kills. Divert that attention, bro. You jump on Gretorp after a few people already did, giving me the impression that you are bandwagon voting. Interesting. Than you keep pressing and pressing Gretorp, hoping and hoping he will post something. It seems like you think you slipped under the radar. You didn't. ##Vote: CatsnHats ProfBA did the same thing that Cats is doing now, in my opinion. Self-destructing and trying to earn town cred. | ||
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On January 07 2012 07:46 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Jitsu, you posted after my question. Could you answer it really quick? I've already posted my entire case on Cats. You totally neglected to comment on it the first time. The fact he self-destructed when pressured doesn't fix anything for me. | ||
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On January 07 2012 08:10 Jitsu wrote: I've already posted my entire case on Cats. You totally neglected to comment on it the first time. The fact he self-destructed when pressured doesn't fix anything for me. Was that the question? To give you my leads on Cats? | ||
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On January 07 2012 09:05 Probulous wrote: Jitsu, Tunk, enough with the back and forth. It should be pretty clear you are both town to anyone paying attention. Don't waste your time arguing over a single badly worded post. You both voted for AKCT before anyone else, that should be enough to ensure that you both did not jump on the wagon. You started it. Save your analysis for people who are possibly scum. This is just spamming the thread and making it difficult to spot other people's posts. I'm not back and forth'ing with Tunk. XD RE: Sheth - What kind of question is that? I post an analysis, than I vote for him, and than you ask me if I think he should be lynched? On January 06 2012 10:02 CatsnHats wrote: @Ceph Jumping on the CatsnHats bandwagon I see. It seems like you trying to get people to spare you on D2 by shifting attention to me. You quoted me as saying "Even with recent read on Ceph, which I agree with." as evidence that I flip-flopped when I later included him on my scum reads. But you didn't quote the whole post. I said: I've never flipped on CM, you just didn't include this to make your case. It seems alot of people have a habit of doing that. And no, you didn't fall off of my list, if you actually read Jitsu's post you aren't mentioned on it, so I didn't include you. Don't worry you're still on it. You're actually at the top of it for D2. That's not OMGUS, it's just that you are top two with CM/Tea and once he's gone you're logically next on the list. My flip from Gretorp to you was to kill the greater of two evils a the moment, since Gretorp's inactivity had left him as a harder read when compared to you. And then I switched my vote from you to Tea because it seemed we were going to be deadlocked, and killing #2 on my list and letting #1 go is much better than letting both #1 and #2 go. Does that look like a newbie post to you? If I was being accused of Mafia, I would prove my innocence by finding scum. Not by trying the town to lynch myself. In other words, having the town waste another day to lynch me if I was town is anti-town in and of itself. I think he's banking on the fact that he's trying to pull at our oh-so-tender heartstrings. Thoughts? | ||
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On January 07 2012 09:37 Tunkeg wrote: For the rest of you, did you in any way think that gonz analysis of my post after lynch was any good? Did the discussion between me and him bring anything usefull to the table? I haven't read it yet, because I think there is no point to it. You spent the majority of the night posts derping at each other over a simple miss-interpretation at best, I feel, but even then, I didn't read the whole thing because it was giving me a headache. You and Gonzaw are higher up on my town list than others, right below Probu, so there is no use arguing with each other at this point unless there is a legitimate concern that the other is scum. When you do, give it to use in a case, not in single by single jabs back and forth trying to get the better of each other. Do either of you actually think the other is scum? I doubt it. | ||
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On January 07 2012 09:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Didn't notice you voted on him. Didn't realize you could vote on someone during night phase... And yes that post was really well done. Thats ONE post of his. (What is OMGUS?) Do the rest look like veteran posts to you? Like his gambit of trying to get himself lynched is stupid. When ProfBA did it, it was stupid too. ProfBA was a veteran though, he had a lot of good posts, he even got elected as something. In what crazy world would we elect this Catsnhats? I don't see him coming up with the same thing as ProfBA... And ProfBA isn't a coach for this. However I don't think it means hes not mafia, I just don't think hes our best read. Give him the rest of this day and I might agree that hes surely mafia, but can you at least agree to give him that time? IdrA is actually a lot nicer then people give him credit for. :[ Are you asking what OMGUS is? | ||
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On January 07 2012 09:50 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Jitsu that was my thoughts exactly on those two as well. However you need to go over and read it or re-read it, as do I. Thats the sort of thing that could hide scum too. Just making a filter too long and too full of confusing randomness that we don't want to look at it. I will eventually. I just had too much going through my mind to read it in different sections. | ||
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On January 07 2012 16:40 Probulous wrote: To the rest of the town, please can I have your thoughts on Sheth and Cephiro? I am re-reading the thread over and over again and re-evaluating my positions on people. Hippo you still haven't posted anything of contribution, but I hope that your analysis is good. I would much rather a full blown case than three lines parroting someone. Cats, your poor bastard You're caught and you still copy other's arguments. You're looking for a way to contribute which is good, but is both a town and scum perogative, so it's a null tell really. If you want to save your skin, answer my question at the top of this post. Blurry you may have fallen off the face of the earth but if you don't show up soon I swear you will be falling with a rope around your neck. Christ out of 10 players we have four lurkers If they don't start posting, we're fucked. As for my contribution, I will post my top scum pick in the next 24 hrs or so which should give people plenty of time of analyse my case. I was sorely disappointed with the response my cases received last time, this time I want criticism. I think that's because you're were the first. I assume you play devil's advocate yourself, but post you're analysis. Are you leaning away from cephiro? I think Sheth is acting pretty scummy ATM, and I agree with the same concerns you have with Cats. @Sheth: If we have a DT, and he found someone, would you think it's a good idea or a bad idea to reveal? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 07 2012 06:20 Jitsu wrote: That doesn't fly with me. Let me explain why. Nice first post. You jump on CatsnHats for doing scummy things. Perfect, exactly what I would like to see from a first post from someone. You get him, jump right up there and pressure that little weasel... ...wait, what the shit is this? You start pressuring someone, than let off because you think he's new. Why does being new matter? So he can't be responsible for his own actions? Why are you letting him off the hook so easily without even squeezing him a little bit? This was the post right after you vote Cephiro. After Probu posts his analysis, you step right on that train, right away. The only form of suspicion you threw on Cephiro was more wobbly than a Jenga tower. Than as soon as someone else votes for him, you vote for him. You even say that you saw some things that looked like he was scummy, but you let him off the hook too. Weird. You are the IdrA of Mafia? Ok. So why did you stop putting all forms of pressure on Cats so early? + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2012 23:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote: @Probulous my 3 scummiest right now are probably Cookie ( A K C T ) / Cephiro and / Maybe blurry... he hasn't posted much and I'm not convinced CatsNhats isn't just completely new to the game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt while we have better people to pressure. 1) If you were a Cop (could determine the alignment of somebody during the night), who's alignment would you check and why? NOT Probulous, as I'd be worried he was going to die at night, I'd determine someone such as Gonzaw or Tunkeg. 2) If you were a Doc (could save someone from a nightkill), who would you save and why? I would save one of Probulous, Myself, Gonzaw and Tunkeg. 3) If you were a Vigilante (town-aligned nightkill) who would you kill and why? Probably no one, if I was forced to kill someone (Town CK) I'd probably kill A K C T (Cookie Maker) or Cephiro, depending on who we lynch. 4) If you were a Town-Aligned Roleblocker (could prevent someone from using their night action for a night) who would you block, and why? (Also, remember, an RB can act as a soft-cop. If you block someone and there's no nightkill, you may have blocked the mafia's kill! (Yes i know there's no Vig or RB in this setup.)) I'd probably RB either Cephiro or Cookie, depending on who we lynch. 5) If you have a vote on someone currently, please explain your vote. I have a vote on Cephiro. Its explained in two posts that I posted earlier + Prob's analysis. 6) If you don't have a vote on somebody, please park your vote on someone. Have an opinion. It doesn't matter if you're wrong. Abstainance lets scum hide amongst you! Now you're opinion went from Cats being scummy, to him being new? Than AKCT goes up for lynching, and you jump to that one with new real analysis posting. At that point, it was a bandwagon lynch, but what was YOU'RE Reasoning? RE: Hippo - I just realized how you worded this. You say that you will go over everything tomorrow morning and change a vote if need be. What? If it's not on time, you will just not vote, or leave it on Xeris? Wow. Stellar. So you jump on this lynch train and don't even bother to explain why. Not only that, but you pretty much indicate that you are going off of what other people have discussed, and not come up with anything concrete on you're own, pretty much re-leaving all pressure from you if it's a miss-lynch. When the game first started, I felt that Sheth was acting different than Mafia, but it dawned on me that he brought it up specifically in his first post. I think I am playing extremely different this game than Election - Have I had any need to bring it up? It's my second game, and Sheth's third. I takes a little bit longer to build a meta-read on someone than just two games together. I have no reason to say it to Sheth - why would Sheth have any reason to say it to me? I can build a rep by my style of play in THIS game, not a game I played with him prior. Secondly - Catsnhats clearly had a breakdown. I still think it is the most curious part of this game. He ripped when he had only one serious vote for his lynch (if I recall), and he was being suspected of being Mafia. You came to his defense by saying that he didn't have mafia influence in typing it up. You don't even comment on it until it's brought, which is funny, because you had tagged Cats early before backing off. But to totally ignore it until I ask you about it? Come on, mannnnn. You are one of the most vocal players in this game - hell of a time to not be vocal. Jumping on two bandwagons...so on and so forth. One of the things that did catch my eye was this post as well. This is the reason I was asking you your thoughts on the matter again: On January 05 2012 14:20 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Ok, well I'm going to sleep now. I wasn't completely sure if the DT for one mafia was a good trade or not, so I brought it up to see everyone's reactions. I am leaning its probably good, if they have some other confirmed townies for sure. And this will all changed when we learn whether someone was RB'ed during night. (Then it means we have a medic who can save you if you come out). I want to hear more on that, and our cases from our lurkers. Look forward to reading your post when I wake up Andre. Keep posting Duran! And probulous we can agree on some things I'm sure :D! You see, as town, transparency is key. We all need to come up with reasons, logical analysis and opinions backed by our personal thoughts - AND WHY. That post seems like you have a totally different agenda to me, almost like you're forcing the connotation that it's coming from a town perspective. Coming from a town point of view, I don't want the DT to reveal. The longer and later he stays hidden and alive, the more powerful he becomes. Re-reading it, it's almost like you are trying to bait the Detective to reveal if he finds one mafia. Probu got to it before you did, but I think it would have been more interesting if you contradicted yourself and said that the DT should stay hidden. Any other townies want to play Devil's Advocate? | ||
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On January 08 2012 11:58 CatsnHats wrote: @Prob yeah I do think they are (Blurry too) better scum targets than Sheth. I think we are letting the terrible activity level of half this town make us point the finger at each other. @Sheth you're exactly right. I'm ghosting on Prob's analysis of you. Gonzaw ghosted on it too and has already put a placeholder vote on you. I REALLY don't like that. He says that your words in your defense could have an effect on changing his mind, but that he won't be around to see it. WHAT IS THAT? This is a really important time in this game. We really need a lynch on mafia. That doesn't sit well with me. @Everyone The phrase I bolded is really interesting to me. It seems like the town (including myself) has followed Probulous without much question. He has posted so much many long posts so often that we have written him off as town without thought and reanalysis. Do you think that Probulous is getting by without enough criticism? He's not a D2 lynch target by any means, but do you think that is true? This is NOT FOS, I'm just asking a question. Why would you bring this up? Go post you're analysis of Probulous instead of trying to create suspicion. If you think it's a bad choice, read his filter, and come back and post why. There is absolutely no reason to post this publicly as town, I feel. Also, you are so unbelievably wishy-washy on Sheth. First you say that Probu's case, as well as my post about Sheth, casts a "Dark Cloud" over him. Than you say how you aren't comfortable with lynching him. Who do *YOU* want to Lynch, than, and Why? On January 08 2012 22:40 Blurry wrote: As to gonzaw's statement of me simply regurgitating information. For the most part that has been true but I've been going by my gut, which is not something you can post when convincing other people to take your side. I've been suspicious of Sheth from the start but don't have the analysis skills to back it up (I know that will read as scummy but bear with me) and write an informed post as to why. If I don't have the evidence to back up my feelings then there is no point in posting it. I'm not going to bear with you. This is, yet again, more bandwagon that we can't have right now - not to mention that you're not playing transparent at all. WHY do you want to kill Sheth. Saying you have a gut feeling is garbage - something is giving you that feeling. If you don't have the evidence to back up you're feelings, you shouldn't be voting in the first place. | ||
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Let me say this - voting for a lurker in sub-optimal at this point. If we were going to do it at all, we should have done it day one, but we can't just decide to vote for a lurker. Which do we choose? Why? What if he flips town and we waste another day of lynching? Do we try at another lurker? No. It's already widely known that lurkers break games, but we can't do anything about it at this point. There isn't enough information to press on Gretorp/Xeris because they probably won't respond to pressure anyway, and that tells us nothing. Town has only one KP with the lynch, and wasting that to kill a lurker (which is a roll of the dice as it is) is a waste. As it is, Hippo is still playing pretty anti-town. Blatantly disregards what he posts previously (still waiting for that analysis post, bro) and we essentially have 3-4 people in the town that aren't doing anything. | ||
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##Vote: CatsnHats For the record, if the lurkers force a no lynch because they can't get on to post, i'll be pretty pissed off. I believe we need six to lynch, and we have had, what, 5 people post in the past 24 hours? Sigh. I implore everyone to think logically and read filter/analysis and THINK FOR YOURSELF. I have a scum read on Cats. It doesn't mean everyone does. | ||
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First, I think Sheth and Cats are equally scummy. Pretty sure if one flips the other will too. What Probu said earlier is slighty irrelevant about Sheths ability to control town because he has more town cred than Cats, because if we have both tagged as scum, it shouldn't matter. Also, me changing my vote earlier was impossible because as I said, I was out. That being said, lynch is better than no lynch. Also, Don't say I'm convinced about his attempt to live. Also, don't say you were the first to FoS Sheth. Even if it might be true, it's not pro town. ##vote LiquidSheth | ||
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On January 09 2012 10:37 CatsnHats wrote: Well fuck I'm dead. Nice work Probulous and Cephiro. What the fuck? | ||
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Sheth Cats Blurry Next game. | ||
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On January 09 2012 12:21 bkrow wrote: Cats what convinces you about Blurry being scum? I am reading through his filter and the scummiest thing i have come across is him advocating a no lynch on day 1 - but he seemed to go back on that idea later on. He also voted for Sheth straight up (from what i can see) and with such little KP it would be hard to see him doing that without some sort of indecision. Sorry if i am rehashing old stuff i am just catching up still; i think we should be looking at: a) people who were hesitant to vote Sheth b) those who tried to offer alternate targets but once Sheth came up jumped on the "bandwagon" and c) the lurkers who make me angry Those are places to start, but things like that aren't bonafide 100% scum tells. | ||
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On January 09 2012 14:46 CatsnHats wrote: Yeah I think Sheth new he could take me down with him I've screwed myself over so bad with my wishy-washy save myself play. Smart play on his part. You're on the grid for a lot more reasons than bad wishy-washy save you played. | ||
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On January 10 2012 02:50 blubbdavid wrote: God, reading Mafia makes me paranoid. Why? | ||
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On January 10 2012 06:46 Probulous wrote: How cursed are we? It has been 20 hours since replacement and kronhjort hasn't posted and all that Paperscraps has posted is a couple of welcome lines and @Ceph, I am still waiting on your reads. @Jitsu I am assuming you are sticking with Cats and Blurry? Definitely staying with Cats right now. I think that whole mass-shenanigans at the end of last night was to try to buy Cats some towncred. Sheth telling Cats to just vote switch to him? And Cats apologizing for doing it? Come on guys. Clearly an act. I'm definitely not buying it. After I pressured Sheth, I went back and read the interactions between them. It's just screaming at me. What was he willing to contribute? He was adamant in not voting for Sheth until the very end, when Sheth told him to vote for him in the post. As for Blurry; I don't think so. I've read through his filter again (an astounding one page!!) just now and, while not very enlightening and helpful, hasn't really acted anti-town. I said that post last night because I was under the impression that was just bandwagon lynching, but I think it's just newbie play. That being said - he needs to post. He's still lurking, he's just also voting. Going over filters now. I would like to hear from the new lurkers, especially Hippo's replacement (whoever he is). | ||
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Bah, fuck you're faster keyboard APM. =/ | ||
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Maybe. That being said, I really hope that these guys stop lurking. | ||
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On January 10 2012 07:40 CatsnHats wrote: @Jitsu If I had flipped to vote Sheth you all would have just called me out for bandwaggoning again, so I decided to stick to my decision, even though I was in the minority. Obviously I was wrong about Sheth, but I switched from Gretorp to CM/AKCT last time and you called me out for bandwaggoning. Really though that's a situation where I'm fucked either way. If I change my vote, I must be mafia bandwaggoning. If I don't (like I did), I must be mafia defending a scumbuddy. I don't see how you can get a read on me from that. If you posted a reason why you voted for Sheth, other than he told you to, and that reason made sense - I don't think you would have been accused of bussing. However, this is all conjecture. It's already history. | ||
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Bkrow, i'd like to see some posts in you're name. Add to the discussion. What do you think of Cats right now? you must have read the majority of the thread by now. What are some of you're scum reads? | ||
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Really appreciate GreY and Risk hosting this game. Takes a lot of time of them NOT playing, so it's a bonus to have two experienced guys modding the show. @Grey/Risk - Thanks for hosting the game! Was a lot of fun. | ||
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On January 15 2012 10:43 Blazinghand wrote: Man Jitsu you win this time mr obs betting guy :/ I must say that was well played by mafia and most of town. I'm particularly impressed with Probulous' game. I fear and anticipate meeting you in future games. Too bad I couldn't actually accomplish anything in the game, other than getting suspicious of Sheth right before Probulous came out with his analysis, and saying "gonzaw" right before I died. Again. Sigh. | ||
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On January 15 2012 12:39 Probulous wrote: I got suspicious when you refused to actually answer anything. You just started swearing and calling stuff WIFOM. It may have been WIFOM but it was hardly a defence. I was sure but I was dead, so it didn't matter I am not the best at persuading others. Look at my case against Sheth, it makes no sense. I ended up pleading with people. The fact that all three scum voted for him to be killed just shows how bad the lurkers fucked us over. Anyway, well played. I put a lot of effort into this game and would have liked a win, but I can say that town as a whole was outplayed. Seconded. =( | ||
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