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I always like to hedge my bets in case I roll scum | ||
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On February 04 2012 07:13 Jayjay54 wrote: man, I want this to start. Town owned scum so hard in Mafia L, I need a challenge :D Did you request scum? Policy lynch incoming... | ||
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On February 07 2012 05:59 Palmar wrote: So if you spam, can we hang radfield on meta? Go away. I'm actively lurking | ||
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Are You a betting man Kurumi? | ||
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My self imposed vow of silence is now over OK Sheth, that's all fine and dandy, but who do you want to lynch and why? Also, I enjoyed your streaming this afternoon Palmar: Toad, VE, Kitaman, what are your thoughts on them. I don't think VE is a great lynch today. His scum play is fairly transparent(no offense meant VE ), and his town play is pretty straight forward. Lynching him Day 1 is not optimal. In resistance he was fairly obviously town by Day 2, and in XLVIII he was mostly exposed scum by late Day 2. No rush. Bill, where did you go? Still think Kenpachi is our best Day 1 lynch? You have to admit it's a bit ironic that you called him out for claiming green.... when it's something you've most certainly done before on Day 1. CyberCheese, now that you've successfully deduced the best plan forward for the third party situation, who would you like to lynch? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote: yo pimmelz when i get out og class i better see some thoughts on dr h and katina kk? ily all much love got quantum now byebye What did you honestly expect people to write about katina? __ I somewhat agree on Toad, he is tickling my senses. | ||
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Palmar you're reading the thread! That must mean your town I'm down with a Sheth lynch. He's putting in effort, but it's a similar kind of effort as Election Mafia(when he was scum). All his topics are peripheral, he's making long rhetorical posts, and spending too much time talking about irrelevant stuff than he should. That being said, he doesn't feel terrible, but it's that same niggle I got in Election mafia. Sheth, can you point me to a game where you were town? I'm also up for lynching CC. He's been pushing scum agenda this game, which is very much what he has done in the past. In LOTR he pushed scum agenda fearlessly the entire game, and he's doing the same thing here. Joker claiming ASAP is extremely sub-optimal, and does nothing but give mafia something to talk about. You've spent 15 posts talking about 3rd party issues and 2-3 talking about lynching or scummy players. And those have all been about Schworz, who is an easy candidate. Please step it up. | ||
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In all seriousness, I do think Toad scum: This post is the major factor for Toad in my mind: On February 07 2012 19:44 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah I've got the bad habbit of stopping to work when I'm told that I'm useless. Hapnned last game too. I did big ass analyses about Sandroba and everyone ignored them telling me I'm doing bullshit. I figured I could give you at least a couple of names instead of explaining this time so that should make people happy and you're able to tell if I'm mafia or not depending on the flips. I for example don't like rad because of his list (VE, Kita, myself). I don't have to talk about myself, Kita looks town to me and VE is leaning town for me but I'm not sure there yet. Easy shit. On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynch if we can't one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman). This post is made after several attempts at getting Toad to flesh out his reads. Read the spoiler quotes to see the context. First he opens with an excuse as to why he is not contributing and may not contribute in the future. That is somewhat scummy, but not particularly damning. Second he states he doesn't like me(which I assume means he thinks I am scummy) because he disagrees with my reads. That is not a valid reason to find someone scummy(in the early game), and shows the wrong mindset. Fact is, Kita looks like his inactive 'helpful' mafia play right now, and VE looks defensive and skittish. They are most certainly not so townie that calling them suspicious is a bad thing. Again, this is scummy but not terrible. Third and most importantly is the last line: On the BM matter: BM / Kenpachi / Palmar are the 3 people I'd like to see lynch if we can't one of CC / layabout lynched. I think layabout and especially CC are more likely to flip mafia (or badman / catwoman). This is in addition to these posts: not sure yet. Probably someone out of CC / layabout. If neither of those 2 is going to be an option I'd be happy to lynch BM / Kenpachi / Palmar instead. [....]I'd much rather see people like CC, maybe layabout or if we got noone else to lynch Palmar / Kenpachi lynched right now.[....] Similar posts, and in all three Toad is already backing off the CC, layabout train. They are his top 2, he has mentioned them multiple times, but not only is he not making an effort to push them, he is basically capitulating that they might not get lynched. CC is a decent target, and the fact is there are decent reasons to push him, yet Toad has not found them. Additionally, although this is a minor point, Toad says they are mafia, or third party. There is simply no reason for a town player to add in the last bit. If Toad is scum he likely KNOWS that CC and Layabout are town, so the inclination to hedge and call them third party is large. Not a huge thing, but really jumped out at me when I read it. His other targets, Kenpachi, BM and Palmar are just policy lynches. KP and BM are both perennial easy targets, and day 1 lynch bait for mafia. Including Palmar in here doesn't even make sense, and directly contradicts Toads earlier post: On February 06 2012 22:01 Toadesstern wrote: That's not what I'm asking. I just want to know if I should look forward to your analyses or if there's not going to be something. If you're not willing to play the usual palmar style I have to try and figure you out somehow else and you'de be someone like Kenpachi for me. Toad is going to try and figure Palmar out somehow else, which apparently just means voting him off Day 1. That doesn't make sense. You are using Palmar's somewhat trollish play(trollish play that you yourself already admitted was standard fare for Townie Palmar) as an excuse for a scum read. This post is also a red flag: On February 07 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote: holy shit this game is a trollfeast. I guess that problem will be solved after n1 given how many vigs there are (possibly) to our thread. Still want wbg to post something This post both undermines the thread, and encourages vigilantes to shoot into anyone trolling. Trolling is almost always a townie trait, as it both spotlights you and bring about the ire of town. Two things most mafia players seek to avoid. There are other points and posts, but most of them are minor. Agree or Disagree? ##Vote: Toadesstern | ||
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On February 07 2012 23:02 Jackal58 wrote: Why not? If you feel Radfield is scummy why wouldn't you want to lynch him? I see this sentiment posted in almost every game on here now. I don't want to lynch player X on day one. Fair amount of the time that sentiment has been put forth by people that flipped scum. If somebody looks scummy I'm going to push for their lynch. I don't care who it is. Remember No guts. No gory. You don't lynch some people day 1 for several reasons Jackal. A) Some players are extremely easy to pick out as town or scum as the day goes on. No need to kill them Day 1 B) Some players are very valuable as town, so you want to force the mafia to shoot at them, and you DON'T want to do their job for them. Day 1 reads are notoriously poor, so the risk/reward of killing a solid town player Day 1 is simply not there. On February 07 2012 23:43 Palmar wrote: Disagree, I think all the three people I mentioned are better candidates. Especially Toad's last post seemed like stubborn asshole-townie rather than scum. Checking, or even just straight up shooting him, would be fine, but I think we have better lynch candidates. His last post seems pretty meh to me. Sheth and VE I pretty much agree on. I'm not sure how you can have an opinion on Hiro though. Why is he on your list. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 23:49 Kurumi wrote: Rad, why You didn't want to scumhunt Day 1? Because I'm normally wrong Day 1 . I wanted to scumhunt, just not really scumhunt publicly. I feel like too often my voice carries more weight than it should on Day 1, as I don't think my Day 1 track record is better than anyone elses. I cannot help myself though... | ||
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Please stop talking about the mason thread BM, and please stop talking about a mass claim. The Mason thread is completely unimportant, and 99.99% infiltrated by scum, which is unsurprising when it contains half the player base. If you are not in the mason circle, don't worry. I would actually post the link to the thread to stop the discussion, but can't because Joker is basically exposed in that thread. Anyways, a 15 player circle has basically no value. Toad looks decent for now, so I'm switching to Sheth. His defense was mediocre at best, and he STILL only posted his reads upon being pressed. I don't even think he voted. I'm willing to switch to cyber_cheese if need be. I'm gone for the rest of the night pretty much until lynch time. ##Vote: Sheth | ||
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On February 08 2012 05:40 rgTheSchworz wrote: I'd lynch Dr.H at the moment. Layabout looks scummy and puts Dr.H on the green side right now. Read my filter, I made a case on him. Still, quails looks more scummy, but we aren't going to get him lynched today. Not with him dropping 2 posts. DocH looks fine. There is no way we are lynching him today. If you think layabout looks scummy, then vote for him. Better yet vote for Sheth or Cheese. | ||
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Something I find interesting is the people who started to speculate that Cheese would flip third party, rather than scum. The mafia know that cheese couldn't have flipped scum, so Batman or Catwomen is the only roles they could speculate him being honestly. I know in past games, I've accidentally called players serial killers because I knew they couldn't be scum. Agreed, I noticed this too, though I still need to reread the particulars. Kitaman, you asked me earlier(in the other thread) why I thought you were scum. It was based off both your neutral tone and your frequency of posting, both of which reminded me of LOTR/PYPInt. You have a tendency to make sensible, paragraphy and helpful posts as scum, posts which do very little to actually advance the thread. I'm not getting that vibe anymore though, in fact I'm leaning the other way on you If your name starts with a T, you need to post more. I'm having real trouble differentiating you guys. evantrees has been even more quiet than usual. slardar, opz, jay, ico, qualis, and katina leave much to be desired. People may be giving kurumi a hard time, but at least he is posting. I'll take that any day over an inactive. Agree again, though I would add Adam and Forumite to the list. Need to hear more out of them | ||
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As pointed out by DocH in the other thread, each of our medics has a name, which means we can direct them individually. This allows us to protect more key players than we normally would. Power Roles to Protect: Bill Murray Kurumi Jackal Toad Schworz Palmar Kurumi is a waste of protection, as he is a likely catwoman hit. Toad and Palmar apparently do not need protection, so they can be set aside for now. That leaves BM, Jackal and Schworz. Players to protect: Radfield DocH maybe Kitaman That gives us 6 players for 4 potential medic names. Hush: Protects Jackal or Rad/DocH/Kita Poison Ivy: Protects BM or Rad/DocH/Kita Harley Quinn: Protects Schworz or Rad/DocH/Kita Scarecrow: Protects Jackal/BM/Schowrz I think that gives us maximum coverage, and forces mafia to shoot elsewhere or doublestack. Obviously if medics want to protect elsewhere that is fine too. This is just a guideline. If Palmar is not unkillable tonight then he should also be on the list. Joker, you need to fire tonight, as there is a decent chance you are dead by morning. Palmar, you also need to fire tonight unless you are subject to same protection as Toad. Other vigilantes should probably hold their shots. | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:14 VisceraEyes wrote: He's afraid of Palmar shooting you to shut you up if he's lying scum or 3rd party, now answer the question Toad. Given that Toad hasn't outright called him out, that's pretty much answer enough. | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote: a) why? did you contribute? are you special? b) hell no. why? Even if he's town, he doesn't do shit. c) pretty random too. where are other vets (afaik, correct me if I am wrong): WBG forumite Opz Kenpachi This list is just pushing your own agenda. WTF? It's just playing the odds JJ. I have a history of dying night 1. Bugs and Chaoser could probably be on that list, but for different reasons I don't think either should have protection tonight. Those other three you listed don't need protection. | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:30 Palmar wrote: I suggest someone shoots radfield. Maybe you can do it risk.nuke? Bullshit. You do it Palmar, you've got a gun, don't get other people to do your dirty work for you. On February 09 2012 03:32 kitaman27 wrote: Why is there a decent chance the joker will die tonight? Seems just as likely as any other vig. Because if Batman is in the Phone booth then he should have the Joker pretty well narrowed down by now. On February 09 2012 03:36 Jayjay54 wrote: no he specificially put him under power roles and not under people to protect. either he was wrong or there is mason stuff going on. if he really thought he was legit enough, then this list is even more pushing his own random agenda. The doc isn't exactly good this game either. No, the Doc was not under Power roles and he's playing fine this game. | ||
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Now THAT makes sense Now we just need someone to shoot Sheth and we're in business. | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:42 Toadesstern wrote: I also don't want people to protect palmar lol, there's your protection Palmar | ||
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Radfields List of Acceptable Vig Shots Sheth risk.nuke Evantrees Visceraeyes Slardar Tyran Qualis Jaybrundage ico These folks a night 1 pass: Opz Forumite Everyone should pretty much be off the table. | ||
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Hush: Protects Jackal or Rad/DocH/Kita Poison Ivy: Protects BM or Rad/DocH/Kita Harley Quinn: Protects Schworz or Rad/DocH/Kita Scarecrow: Protects Jackal/BM/Schowrz Just realized there is a problem here in that Hush is in the open(Bill Murray), and can be easily roleblocked. That means Scarecrow should be prioritizing Jackal somewhat over the other two. | ||
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On February 09 2012 03:53 ico wrote: Alright, so I question you posting your orders and you put me on the list? Nice move. They weren't meant to be orders. I normally put a "Thoughts? Agree or Disagree?" on the bottom of those type of posts, but neglected to. Rest assured I'm very open to discussion. However, I put you on the list because you are somewhat scummy. I almost put you on the '1 night pass' list, but swapped you back over. I just don't see you dying as a huge detriment to town right now. Prove me wrong. | ||
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On February 09 2012 04:00 Palmar wrote: also, radfield's list is terrible. don't shoot into it. Shoot him instead. Stop it. | ||
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rgShworz is obviously not Two Face, and in act I'm willing to bet he is not a DT. He claimed a hit, yet no WAY catwoman did not target him last night. Therefore he is either unkillable by Catwoman, which means he is either one of the vets (Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze) or Poison Ivy; or he himself is catwoman. Yet he has claimed DT, which means he can only be catwoman out of those options. The Two-Face claim kinda makes sense if he's catwoman, but I can't really wrap my head around it. However his entire role-claim was bizarre(claiming dt out of the blue), which reminds me ALOT of the iGroks early neutral-balrog claim. There was almost no pressure, and he claimed a role which was basically guaranteed to see him killed. If he was bulletproof at night that actually makes sense, as the lynch is the only thing he fears. I still need to think about this, but he's not the lynch today. We're missing a ton of KP, so it makes sense that if he is catwoman, he might have investigated DocH. Which means it's possible he's not lying, but it sure sounds like bullshit. He should have gotten a role back, not an alignment. Either way, DocH and Toad seem more than confident enough, and both seem like town. If it comes to name claiming so be it, but I'd rather their identities remain hidden. In other news, I investigated Sheth last night and he is Tyger This gives us a whole truckload of info from the Day 1 lynch, because Sheth and CC were neck and neck for a while until CC ran away with it. I haven't looked through it yet, but I assure you scum will fall when I do ##Vote Sheth | ||
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On February 09 2012 22:49 -_-Quails wrote: Kurumi didn't shoot at me last night. I won't vote anyone other than DocH today unless DocH is absolutely proven blue. One-for-one is a good trade for town and that's the best outcome rg would get as scum faking a guilty. That's ridiculous. There is no way in the world that Catwoman would not shoot RG last night. It was a free Two-face kill. Schworz even claims he took a hit, but a catwoman hit is unblockable unless you are a vet or Poison Ivy. Schworz is neither of those, hence the most likely option is that he is catwoman. Also, if he was actually a detective he should have gotten back a role, not just alignment. On February 09 2012 21:53 Kurumi wrote: Two millers have already flipped. We can have a max of 3 DTs. Mafia has 3KP, DT of their own, Roleblocker and a Medic. That's more than enough to stop claimed DT to die. Now. Did someone claim shooting Slardar? Why do you think that mafia have a medic? I don't see that anywhere in the OP. I see DT, Roleblocker, Vet + 3 KP. | ||
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On February 09 2012 22:51 Palmar wrote: Radfield, how did you survive? Is it it your role? I shot you dead good last night. But you're much less dead than I had hoped? On February 09 2012 22:52 Palmar wrote: oh I get it, you're black. If I was black I would have shot you in the face Palmar I most certainly would not have DTed Sheth. I assume I was saved by a medic. Why would you ever shoot me night 1, it borders on braindead. You're supposed to have good reads on me too Palmar. I'd accuse you of being black, but then I wouldn't be here would I. That leaves mafia or bad Palmar... which is it I wonder? So are you voting Sheth or what? | ||
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On February 09 2012 22:58 kitaman27 wrote: So what's your name radfield? Nope How bout you explain to me why after reading the Schworz/Toad/DocH situation you came out with the conclusion of lynching DocH. On February 09 2012 22:55 Toadesstern wrote: Rad what about lynching Schworz first? We can block mafia hits but noone but myself (+ true vets) is able to block catwoman hits I think. I'd much rather not have Schworz rampaging town. However the only downside is that I really could give him that nooby card. Let's put it that way: I'd say he's going to flip 50 out of 100 times mafia. 35 out of 100 tmies Catwoman and 15 out of 100 times something else that doesn't make sense at all. Guess I should have shot sheth or opz yesterday instead of kenpachi and trusted myself... Also I don't think I am in danger, even if we nameclaim. Mafia hits can be blocked after all even if I become mortal again. Sheth is mafia. Lynching him does way way more than lynching Schworz. Yes, if we leave him alive another day he can kill someone, but that's not a huge deal. There is also the chance that Sheth is a miller, but I highly highly doubt it because A) Two millers got flipped last night and B) Sheth has been super scummy all game. If the early game option is lynching mafia or 3rd party, you ALWAYS lynch the mafia. End of story. | ||
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On February 09 2012 22:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Not true all. Toaddesstern is also able to survive a hit from either Batman or Catwoman. Hugo Strange is a medic isn't he? On February 09 2012 22:58 Toadesstern wrote: they've got a medic according to my op On February 09 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote: Hugo is a medic and godfather and the guy behind 1 KP, directing Deadshot, the bearer of said KP. thanks for the tagteam guys. Don't know how I missed that. On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul. Poison Ivy is a medic, not a Vig. And as far as I can tell you're the only one who thinks DocH is Ra's Al Ghul. | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:13 Palmar wrote: That's extremely interesting Radfield. Remember when I at the start of the game posted the lyrics to "Don't Cry" by guns and roses? The key line is "I've been there before". I rolled the same role as last time Radfield. Unlike last time my role is town-sided. What's interesting is that, being the joker, my kills are unblockable, except I can't kill the veterans and batman/catwoman. So, now. What do we do with you? You've basically confirmed yourself as batman or catwoman. Do we lynch you? Or do we allow you go for another day. In addition, this means it's very likely your investigation is correct on sheth... So we have both a confirmed 3rd party and a confirmed scum. If that's true it opens a whole new can of worms. I assure you I am not third party. I can also assure you I am a DT and not a vet. I realize that if I'm batman I HAVE to claim I'm not him.... but I'm not actually Batman Do you honestly think I would DT Sheth if I was Batman? That makes zero sense. This means that there is a chance Schworz could ACTUALLY have been protected from catwoman. Palmar if your hit restriction says the same thing as Batman/Catwomans then it means those hits are actually blockable... which is silly. So alternatively, you are lying. That actually seems more reasonable, but in any case we lynch Sheth today, Batman almost certainly kills you tonight, and that clears everything up | ||
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On February 09 2012 23:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Let's get organized now. Palmar, myself, and Toadesstern are all certainly town at this point. Radfield is very likely a third party, but I am not so much concerned with this. Again, if he keeps posting his DT results he's just helping town and I doubt he's just gonna go on a rampage shooting townies. Radfield is smarter than that. rGTheSchworz lied about his check or is insane. Kurumi comes up with the idea that he was a vig who hit, didn't get a kill, and just assumed Ra's Al Ghul? Where do you get that kind of confidence from? You're a noob vig who shoots a vet player, gets blocked: could be medic, could be veteran, but you're SO CONFIDENT you're willing to put your neck on the line to call him scum? That seems really unlikely. Not only that, but Kurumi comes in with the immediate accusation that I'm Al Ghul and is laying out the beginnings of an argument for rG to use If he doesn't argue he's insane he's either gonna have to convince the town that his check is better than Rad's (unlikely) then he has to do something else and Kurumi set him up nicely don't you think? Kurumi a player who: -Claims vig but not which. CW's existence is irrelevant, he's already made himself a target for her by that claim. -Refuses to claim name after pressure. -Says he's going to make shots, then doesn't pull through. -Sets up rG to argue his way out of a probable fake check rG survives as well. He claims two face and doesn't die? He claims to be immortal then asks "WHY DIDN'T THEY KILL ME"? That doesn't add up. I've cleared my head and I'm looking through this shit. Why would a medic protect the two-face guy who claims to be invincible knowing that medic hits DON'T STOP CATWOMAN? rGTheScwhorz is a liar or monumentally bad. Or I'm monumentally bad at reading comprehension. You decide which it is. Kurumi is also the one who jumped to the Ra's Al Ghul suggestion. That jump makes no sense, especially when Kurumi also saw that scum had a medic. Why would he assume Ra's Al Ghul? If anyone has a DayVig shot, now is the time to use it on Sheth | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:11 Forumite wrote: We lynch Radfield, then shoot Sheth ##vote Radfield lol. Big fat lol. How bout we lynch Sheth then you Forumite. I'll be back tonight. | ||
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Liquid`sheth - 8 hiroprotagonist katina kurumi Forumite Palmar radfield Visceraeyes tunkeg Cyber_cheese - 7 Toadesstern drH slardar ico tyrran wbg chaoser This is the vote total 1.5 hours before the lynch. Between this time and the lynch 5 more people vote for CC. jackal opz evantrees billmurray Sheth obviously doesn't count, and Jackal is dead. Bill Murray votes with a 1/2 hour to go, and actually switches onto CC from Kurumi. The CC lynch was already assured at that point, and mafia would want to distance themselves from the CC lynch at that point. That probably makes BM less likely to be scum, but BM loves his WIFOM. Opz and evantrees were the 2 votes that cemented the CC lynch. Evantrees only mention of CC prior to voting him: I Think CC is catwoman for some damned reason, so I am fine voting for him but still considering. next post: On February 08 2012 12:02 evantrees wrote: Bah good enough. ##Vote Cyber_Cheese Proper voting format is ##vote name BC do you care if there are : in there? Evantrees has done nothing redeeming this game. He is still talking about mechanics, speculating on night hits, and in general doing very little. Evantrees is very likely scum. Opz's switches votes onto CC. He also hedges by stating that he DOES actually want Sheth dead, just not yet. On February 08 2012 11:58 ~OpZ~ wrote: Moving my vote to C_C due to reservations against wanting sheth dead just yet...Just....Yet.... K, I'ma start swimming. Gotta go pick up my dress pants and button up after I finish in this disgusting joker fish water..... Opz is also actively cutting players down and somehow siding with Schworz out of that mess: + Show Spoiler + And another post afterwards getting mad because a townie is pressuring for what doc H is claiming, when a DT received a red check? You renigged your claim of two face, so what the hell are you talking about toad. Jesus....I've never been 100% down for LAL but shit, Palmar, Toad, DocH, gtfo this game. On February 10 2012 01:34 ~OpZ~ wrote: I wonder how long you go after this post before you claim miller....or remember it exists....so like 6 posts before you claim blue, and toad supports it using something docH would know from Jackal's claim and QT? Okay....yea... I think Jackal was possibly stacked TBH....So I'm not gonna just 100% believe your medic claim. I don't want the medic that protected you to claim either, but you reek of scum, and I've thought that sense day 1. I didn't say anything then, but omg omg omg I do not want this thread shit up anymore. also....you all post to much in 9 hours....jesus....spamtastic going to work. on page 78. Yall will probably make it to page 120 by the time I'm off. Opz is clearly not following along very closely, though it's certainly possible that that is due to IRL reasons. Very possibly scum, though less likely than evantrees in my mind. Both are good targets. Other than that it's kinda hard to get a good quick reconstruction on the voting pattern. In fact, up till that point the voting counts were pretty obscured, unless someone took the time go through them. Here is the breakdown in votes for each Sheth and CC: + Show Spoiler + Layabout: CC (1:0) Katina: Sh (1:1) Toad: CC (2:1) DocH: CC (3:1) Palmar: Sh (3:2) Forumite: Sh (3:3) Toad: Sh (2:4) Slardar: CC (3:4) VisceraEyes: Sh (3:5) Kurumi: CC (4:5) ico: CC (5:5) Toad: CC (6:4) Bill Murray: Sh (6:5) Radfield: Sh (6:6) Hiro: sh (6: 7) Kurumi: UN CC(5: 7) risk: Sh (5:8) ~ 5 hours to go Tyrran: CC(6:8) BM: UN Sh (6: 7) Layabout: UN CC (5: 7) Chaoser: CC (6: 7) WBG: CC (7: 7) Kurumi: Sh (7:8) After this point 5 more votes fall on CC. Any unvotes are in italics. CC votes are on the left, Sheth votes on the right. Tyrran, Bugs and Chaoser all rally when Sheth is leading by 3 votes. And frankly, all three look decently scummy. I haven't actually reread Day 1 yet, but I'm looking forward to it once Sheth flips. Obviously all 5 players are not likely to be mafia, but unless scum bussed Sheth hard Day 1, at least 2-3 probably are. | ||
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On February 10 2012 07:58 wherebugsgo wrote: kk lab in 2 minutes: ask me any questions you want answered from someone who actually knows what he's saying. I haven't read like 20 pages (something like 60 to 80 or whatever was added to the thread since I went to sleep/class.) After lab/study group tonight I'll be back to answer stuff. For the meantime, please kill Kurumi. Also Sheth is dumb town; this bandwagon is insane. On February 10 2012 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote: also RG is clearly not reading the thread because Dr H fucking claimed clayface and he said clayface hasn't claimed yet -_- indicates RG is either scum or third party; more likely to be third party actually because I don't think he'd have the balls to fake claim a check So you're obviously not reading the thread either WBG. Therefore you must be either scum or third party yes? | ||
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Regardless of what Toad and DocH are(I am inclined to believe their claims), both seem fairly town to me. DocH is playing his town game, and Toad seems sincere. I also like his two-face claim day 1 in an effort to draw 3rd party hits. It fits with his role. On February 11 2012 22:11 Palmar wrote: we'll find out how immortal you are tomorrow toad. I think you're scum and faking it. This is real smart Palmar...... there is no reason to discount Toad and DocH's claim, which means that the only way that Toad can die is if mafia take down Doc H. I'm also fairly certain that you don't have an unblockable shot. I wouldn't be alive otherwise... In fact, I'm not even so sure you shot me at all. My problem though is that I don't even have a real scum read on you, just a troll read. In particular your hit claim makes no sense: On February 11 2012 19:42 Palmar wrote: I'm not trolling I'm not lying. I got hit last night. Why did you not claim your hit straight off? Why wait? On February 11 2012 19:40 Palmar wrote: Already told you dude, catwoman checked sheth last night. Again, this makes no sense. If I was Batman or Catwoman, I sure as shit would not DT Sheth. One, he was on the chopping block which means he was likely to die that night or get lynched the following day. Two, there were a ton of better targets to either DT or shoot if I was trying to snipe blues or Hugo. However, if you guys want to stick with the theory of me being the Bat or the Cat, I suppose that's alright. It gives me a certain amount of protection from mafia. That being said, medics should probably be going between me or DocH tonight. I somehow doubt that mafia buy Palmar's unblockable hit story, especially if mafia were actually the ones that shot me. At the very least, I think the doc that protected me should visit me again and the rest should bounce between us. Thoughts? On February 11 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote: I'd say radfield did not think I'm the joker and thought DocH is the joker because he apparently claimed that in that gay-phone-session. I actually thought Chaoser was the Joker for a bit. I didn't consider DocH faking the post. Due to that I was letting Chaoser slide more than I should have. On February 11 2012 22:39 Toadesstern wrote: my list still stands: Chaoser Sheth <--- dead forumite risk.nuke opz layabout hiro Lynch these people unless you got a good damn reason not to. I like this list, though I would add Evantrees and maybe Kurumi(who has started trolling now?), and drop layabout. Layabout doesn't seem like scum to me this game. Once again I'm gone this evening, and should be back just before the Daypost. If you really want to be productive, I highly suggest to stop posting and instead going back and rereading the second half of day 1 with the knowledge that Sheth is scum. That was a Day 1 swing towns dream about, but I just don't have the time right now to go back and read it(I haven't even read the phone QT for days). I will get to it eventually, but in the meantime it is the single most important part of this thread. | ||
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On February 12 2012 00:19 chaoser wrote: Also, it's pretty clear from my perspective that Palmar is batman. He's trolling too hard to be town and he's not mafia given his hard Sheth push Day 1. Look at his play in this game and his play as Gollum in LOTR, especially on the last day just before he was going to get the Ring. Troll heavy in both of them. Palmar is not Batman, because then I would be dead. Conversely he lied about hitting me, but that doesn't really make sense from a Batman perspective. You're also assuming that Palmar is a straightforward player who follows his meta, which is patently untrue. Who do you think is scum Chaoser? Who is at the top of your list? I'll admit I've been skim reading, but by this point I feel like I should know who you think is scum and who you think is town, yet I don't have a good picture of your thoughts. Enlighten me. | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:01 rgTheSchworz wrote: Wait, if I announce the result, what does town gain? Tell me and I will do it. Right now, no one will believe me. Either I die, which seems not to be the case atm, or you will have them. Its preetty obvious if I strongly oppose a lynch. And there are certain night-flips that can confirm my role. Theoretically town gains not lynching Chaoser today, which is what we should be doing. However I have no faith that you are actually a dt, so I see no need to listen to your check. You flipping scum is very much within the realm of possibility, but Bugs doesn't tend to bus when he is scum, which gives you some manner of credibility. I'm not really sure where I stand with you, but I'm ok giving you more time, particularly if your role can actually be confirmed at night. What were your reasons for checking Chaoser? On February 12 2012 19:30 rgTheSchworz wrote: The problem with what you re saying: Mafia had a clear RB target n1, that was me. I had not lied by that point. So, if no one claims being RB n1, his claim and actions still stand as believable. That´s why I would be reluctant to lynch him. Today we lynch JayJay or Jaybrundage, with a preference for the latter. Seriously, how is he not scum? JayJay has not been useful this game, I still believe he was fishing, and he fits the scum profile of having lurked while the conflict between me/Toad/Doc/Palmar/Chaoser was going on. Chaoser also has been moderately scummy, but his actions can somewhat be explained by him being town. Jayjay seems quite town to me this game. He's active and his contributions seem sincere, not to mention we have a slew of better targets today. I think you are just hung up on the whole Toad/JJ/DocH thing. On February 12 2012 20:11 rgTheSchworz wrote: I am Two-Face. I gave enough clues already. DO not LYNCH BATMAN. He´s helping us Atm. Wait for his check. He can t claim RB. Palmar claimed it. If Rad claims RB, then he is Batman. Else Palmar is Batman. How does this logic make sense? On February 12 2012 22:07 Kurumi wrote: I have a question: Was there someone protected by a medic through entire game? I was medic protected on Night 1. Kurumi, do you have an unblockable shot? As far as I can tell, you're basically claiming third party by claiming the Bugs hit. Unless another Vig decided to shoot him last night, that's the only conclusion I can draw. Today we lynch Evantrees. With Bugs flipping it's apparent that scum were on the CC lynch pretty hard. Opz and Bugs are dead, which leaves Evantrees, Chaoser, Tyran and BM as likely candidates. I'm fine giving Chaoser a pass in the off chance Schworz can confim his role. However if that fails to happen, both of them likely need to die. If Kurumi is third party he can kill BM for us tonight. ##Vote Evantrees | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:56 rgTheSchworz wrote: I´m not releasing the results of the checks till my role can be confirmed at night. No one will believe me anyway, and scum will be hopping on my wagon along with everyone. This way, scum at least have something to figure out. That makes no sense. You make no sense this game, and you are making things up. You already CLAIMED YOUR ROLE. Withholding the results of your checks make ZERO sense unless you are afraid you are wrong. ##vote Schworz | ||
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On February 13 2012 04:48 rgTheSchworz wrote: We need 2 DT s to check them because of roleblock. Rad, up for checking Layabout? I dont think that you re fakeclaiming. Not at all. But I want to confirm BM. He s been confusing this game. Meanwhile, let s lynch Jaybrundage. This is a decent play, though mafia can roleblock 1 and kill the other, which is a problem. Mafia is apparently not afraid of double/triple stacking, so the odds of one of us making it through with a check is not great. Particularly if both are scum, they will stack + roleblock, but that is kind of an answer anyways. I see no real reason to lynch Jaybrundage right now. Nothing sets him apart from the other lurkers, and he wasn't on the cheese lynch. Granted there are likely several scum who didn't vote CC/ or Sheth, but it makes sense to clean up the scummies on the CC list before moving on. Lynch Evantrees, shoot Tyran or ico/rayzor tonight. There's been enough crap flying this game that I doubt mafia have been getting very involved. So far it seems like the majority of the drama is town on town, and mafia lurking hard seems pretty likely. | ||
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On February 13 2012 17:31 Palmar wrote: ok let's do this: I'm a Detective. My role name is Calendar Man I checked Radfield last night, he's: Talia al Ghul Hi Palmar. I think I'm finally starting to figure out whats going on At first I assumed you could not be Batman, because if you were Batman, I would be dead. I cannot stop an unblockable shot, and neither can any medics. Therefore, despite the fact that your play this game lines up with your third party play to a tee, I had assumed you were just adding an extra dash of troll to your play. It's apparent now though that you did not actually shoot me, which was my gut reaction at the time. Shooting me Night 1 is dumb, and you are not dumb. It's also possible that you are scum and shot me, and if so you have played an extremely ballsy game as scum(However then you would not know my role, which you obviously do). At this point though I am almost positive you are third party, which explains your play this game. You have been pushing me since Day 1(either as scum or 3rd party), but never as town, despite the fact that I am a basically confirmed-town dt(who has soaked a hit, and flipped a red), which makes a lot of sense from a third party perspective. Ideal scenario for you is that the sensible strong townies get pushed out early, leaving you free to bully the town around. I am Calendar Man, and you are the Bat or the Cat. Me bussing Sheth for no reason on Day 1 makes no sense, and calling him out on a red check makes no sense, particularly when he was pretty much out of the fire until I posted my check. I assume you rolechecked me N1, which makes sense if you are Batman given that if I was mafia, there is a good chance I would be the GF(Hugo Strange). Again, Palmar being scum doesn't really fit because mafia wouldn't have both shot me and rolechecked me. It's possible he just lucked out(it was obvious I am Calendar Man or Azreal), in which case you might be scum. On February 13 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote: Whatever. You say you have a red check, we´ll know soon. ##vote Radfield Hi scum. You seem awfully eager to vote off the confirmed non-scum detective. I readily admit my play has been a bit lackluster this game, which is due to both lack of time and getting a detective role, not to mention gettng both my dt checks correct. However despite that, my play has certainly not been scummy by any stretch, yet you are ready to vote hand in hand with Palmar's claim that he checked me? That is Bull. We lynch Palmar today. He is almost certainly 3rd party or scum, though probably 3rd party. Normally you do not lynch 3rd party, but here we have an exception. If Palmar is Catwoman, he is certainly shooting into town. If Palmar is Batman, he is certainly shooting Toad tonight. Either way eliminating Palmar eliminates 1 anti-town KP. If he is scum it's even better. Someone make me an argument why we should keep Palmar alive today? | ||
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On February 13 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote: Why are we lynching eventress? Lynch one of these guys jayjay forumite radfield tunkeg I'm glad you put the 1 token scum on your list. You, Forumite, and evantrees all need to be killed. | ||
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On February 13 2012 22:44 risk.nuke wrote: Because lynching scum is more important then lynching third party. Both for information gain and who gives a crap about third party. And it is very possible that Palmar is scum, and very likely that you are too. Normally third party swing both ways, and kill off scum or town. However this game, particularly right now, that is not the case. He is scum or third, which means either way we win. Do you honestly think there is a possibility Palmar will flip town? I am off to work, but will be on tonight. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:09 Kurumi wrote: We went to lynch Radfield because everything he has done so far together with info we have is too convienient. -Can't die from Batman, but he had claimed DT already -Wasn't RB-ed after claiming DT and bringing Town one scum, what? -Wasn't killed after claiming DT and bringing Town one scum, what? -Claims to have checked wbg. Convienent, given he's dead. So, what's Your opinion? I assume these are actually the reasons I am getting lynched? If anyone has any to add, please do.... For some reason, you guys have decided to take Palmars word that he shot me as gospel. I already addressed this, but will do so again. Palmar did not shoot me night 1, scum shot me night 1. I can guarantee this, because I am still alive. Notice that Palmar didn't actually claim shooting until A) after I had claimed the hit, and B) after I had claimed my check. I love the short term memory in effect. The going theory on Night 2 was that I was Batman(maybe Catwoman) a theory put there by Palmar lying about his unblockable hit. Obviously mafia aren't going to shoot Bat/Cat, and there was no way they were going to roleblock either, considering Catwoman would shoot into Town, and Batman would shoot at the Joker(who was revealed). Yes, I checked WBG, and as I said I was going to check Opz, but that wouldn't have helped either. I can't help that you shot him Kurumi. I also cannot help that I am 2 for 2 on mafia checks. There is a very very good reason Palmar is trying to push my lynch. Town is storming right now, and we have a ton of good targets, and a bunch of KP. Palmar has two nights MAX to figure out Hugo and shoot Toad, because we are rolling. Killing me buys him at least one more day, but probably several. When I flip DT are you guys voting me going to bother lynching Palmar??? Of course your not, you're paranoid about lynching 3rd party, WHEN SOMETIMES THERE ARE EXCELLENT REASONS TO LYNCH THIRD PARTY. Scum are absolutely coming out of the woodworks right now, despite the fact that there is no tenable case on me. Anyone voting me is selectively believing Palmars lies, which is either baffling or scummy. On February 14 2012 00:10 Tunkeg wrote: Palmar is finally making sense. I think you are right Palmar. I think Radfield is scum. Scumteam decided to bus Sheth for towncred on Radfield. Then Radfield "checks" WBG, oh, how convinient. And his last move is claiming the Calender Man (same as Palmar said he was).He have played a bold scumgame, but he have done it in the safest possible manner. Sheth as a DT read, very safe way to get towncred for bussing a teammate that were allready somewhat in trouble. It probably were Sheth himself that proposed it... WBG as a DT read after he died. "Proving" that he is a good DT checking the right players, and that he needs to be kept alive, while not having to tell someone a wrong read. Claiming Calender Man, same as Palmar, knowing he had to claim, and that only Azrael and Calander Man was unclaimed it was a easy choice. because everyone knows Palmar is Batman, and because there is no need for the real Calander Man to come forth and claim when it allready is a contested claim. ##Vote Radfield Again, selective memory. Sheth was not on the table for a Day 2 lynch. If he was I never would have claimed my check, I would have just pushed him and seen who came out to defend him. The reason I claimed early is because Day 2 was a clusterfuck. RG was claiming some kind of false dt check, a claim which both Toad and DocH could soundly refute. RG however did not look like scum, yet things were building his way. Claiming my check was the ONLY thing that put heat back on Sheth. I don't need to "prove" I am a good DT by stating I checked bugs. I already found Sheth with my first check, which is wayyyy more town cred than any dt should need. Yes, I claimed my role. If I had claimed Azreal would you think I was town? Of course not. There is no other Calendar Man. It was not a lucky guess by me, and Palmar claiming it certainly does not make it easier for me if I was fake-claiming. There is also no contested claim, as Palmar is not ACTUALLY claiming Calendar Man. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:07 Toadesstern wrote: Why should batman suggest to lynch a blue DT? What's the point in lynching a DT? It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? I don't know what Palmar wants but I know he has been bullshitting all game. This game is a hell of a lot closer than you think it is. At some point we need to lynch Palmar to limit his KP. I know this, and so do other players in this game. We are all over scum, with vote-lists, dt checks and vig shots, and they cannot block them all. It is obvious that sooner rather than later we will lynch Palmar, simply to slow down the end game. I'm beginning to think that Palmar did not even rolecheck me night 1, and simply bullshit guessed my role. It was a 50/50 chance after all. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:13 Palmar wrote: This is incredibly simple. I did most certainly shoot Radfield night 1. And even if you don't believe that, he claimed taking a hit night 1. So this means he must've been protected. This medic should claim now. If no medic claims, Radfield dies. If a medic claims, well, go ahead and lynch me, just remember me when you lynch Radfield and his medic scumbuddy. Now first off, I'm not batman, so can you please stop that nonsense. Second, batman can just shoot toad tonight, and if town is on such a roll, he can just join the ride until the godfather is dead. Easy. If you're reading this batman, I think that's actually what you should do. This is dumb, all that does is get our medic outted and killed. There is no way we are lynching me today. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:19 Palmar wrote: You're at 8 votes because 8 sensible people have understood you must be killed today, because you are scum. You should start deciding now which of your scumbuddies is going to take the fall with you. In what way is it sensible to lynch the dt who found scum? You're basically stating I started bussing Sheth almost immediately on Day 1, then decided to fake-claim a check on him when he was not even remotely close to getting lynched. Very sensible. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:10 RayzorFlash wrote: Rad, who do you think is scum and should be lynched?? On February 14 2012 05:24 Tunkeg wrote: It doesn't look like a Palmar lynch is happening today. So who do you propose we lynch instead then? My opinion of evantrees has not changed, nor of Tyran. Both voted CC on Day 1, and neither have been useful this game. On second thought I think Forumite looks scummy, but I don't think he is scum. Scum wouldn't buy Palmars obvious false check like that, they would be far more cautious. risk seems absurdly different this game from his typical town play, and I would not be surprised if he flipped scum. His one saving grace is that he voted Sheth Day 1, which gives him some amount of towncred. Same thing can be said for VE. Kita is willing to vote me today, which in and of itself is almost enough to lynch him. He is a sensible player, and should know that lynching your DT is not particularly sound town play. His play has tickled my scumdar from the start, and still is. He voted ico on Day 1, about an hour before the deadline, in what was essentially a throw-away vote. The vote was between Sheth and CC, yet he chose neither. ico/rayzorflash is also very lynchable, though probably not today. Evantrees, Tyran or Kita. At least two out of three are scum I would guess. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:43 Forumite wrote: Radfield, what do you think about jaybrundage? Very lynchable. From what I can tell he didn't actually vote Day 1, which I think is why he has been off my radar. Also, it turns out I misread. Kita was not trying to get me lynched. I'm not sure why I thought that. | ||
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Kitaman Wrote: The notion that Radfield is a town detective is pretty funny. The scum team decides to leave Radfield, the town detective, alive and unblocked? lolol He won't give his name until he is sure nobody else will claim it? lolol His check just happens to be on the guy that died? lolol He just happens to take a mysterious hit and survive by medic protection? lolol He roleclaims after one check, making him useless for the rest of the game? lolol Third party or scum, I don't trust him. Consider his motivations. Palmar is obviously being extremely anti-town as well. What happened Kita, got cold feet? From what I can see there you should be dead set on lynching me, yet now you are pushing to keep me alive. Care to explain? | ||
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On February 14 2012 06:00 Tunkeg wrote: EBWOP: Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch. Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would have jumped all over this if they were scum and Radfield were town. Smart scum are smart. Lynching me is dumb. End of story. On February 14 2012 06:03 kitaman27 wrote: I just don't buy that your Calendar Man (I'm still not sure that he is even a real batman villian :p). Just because I think you're likely black, doesn't mean we can't coexist as long as you're benefiting town as well. I'm looking for red What do you think about my case on Rayzor? I think it's pretty sound, and I think there is a decent chance ico/Rayzor will flip scum. When Ico voted for CC, Sheth was actually leading 5-4, which ties him directly to Sheth. Ico/Rayzor is number six on the list of 5 that I mentioned earlier: Chaoser, Tyran, opz, WBG, evantrees. I left him off because he voted quite a bit earlier in the day, but in retrospect I shouldn't have. I'm doing dinner and then going curling. I expect to no longer be leading the lynch when I get back. | ||
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Imagine for a minute that I was voting scum Day 1.... Now imagine that I checked that scum.... Now imagine the thread that is a clusterfuck, only to be straightened out by me outting my check.... Wait!? That all happened!? Now imagine yourself cherry picking one of Palmar's claims, and deciding to vote off that dt.... See the problem here??? | ||
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On February 14 2012 10:55 RayzorFlash wrote: Lol, Rad, if you hadn't claimed and had just soft-pushed Sheth I don't feel like there would have been anybody going after you... Your claim timing is what hit me the most as being scummy. There was no reason and no pressure on you to claim, especially since Sheth was probably already going to be the target of the day. If it was much later in the day, and Sheth wasn't being lynched, it would make a bit more sense... Please show me how Sheth was already going to be the target of the day. Let me recount the votes for you at the start of Day 2, UNTIL I outted my check. On February 08 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote: ##Vote chaoser On February 09 2012 14:50 wherebugsgo wrote: ##vote Kurumi On February 09 2012 17:46 Toadesstern wrote: ##Vote rgTheSchworz On February 09 2012 18:45 ico wrote: ##Vote Palmar On February 09 2012 19:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##vote rgTheSchworz On February 09 2012 19:13 evantrees wrote: ##Vote rgtheschworz On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote: ##vote DoctorHelvetica On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote: ##vote DoctorHelvetica On February 09 2012 22:28 kitaman27 wrote: ##vote DoctorHelvetica On February 09 2012 22:35 -_-Quails wrote: ##vote DoctorHelvetica So tell me... how was Sheth getting lynched again? | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:28 RayzorFlash wrote: Off-topic: Lol, Calendar Man doesnt have a cape actually... He commits crimes to co-incide with holidays/dates on the calendar (btw, BC, I hope you gave him some specialty for Valentine's Day tomorrow )... He's often taken as a joke because of how stupid and lame his crimes are though, lol... If you're interested in him, read The Long Halloween, good comic... <--- Is Huge Batman Nerd On-topic: I hate the riddler game... I might end up dying because of it regardless tonight >_< I actually had to look him up when I got the role, as I'd never heard of him.... he is rather lame At this rate though I may not get to see if I get a special power or not. | ||
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Anyways, GG all. I had a blast and did my best. I gotta get better though, I've been getting in trouble the last two games. | ||
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For my second game in a row as scum, we got torn apart by third parties. In LOTR the scum-team was doing great if not for 3rd parties, same in this game. Palmar killed me and soaked up both a scum KP and a roleblock, Kurumi shot WBG. It's very difficult to deal with a bulletproof-Compulsive Vigilante-Detective of Palmar's caliber. He had me accurately nailed as scum 3/4 of the way through Day 1.... and I didn't even post the first half of day 1. A very interesting situation arose on Day 2 though, where I knew 100% he was Batman, and he knew 100% that I was Talia, but there was nothing either of us could do about it. Somehow things got away from me on Day 3, and I'm still not sure what I needed to do to avoid that lynch, but it was certainly avoidable. I just had no way to argue with the fact that it made no sense for Palmar to lie about me being scum, since it was in his best interest as 3rd party to prolong the game. I thought JayJay played fabulously down the stretch, and I think Katina did a great job for a new player. The rest of the team did great as well, and I think we really played this game as a team. Despite the fact that we bussed each other during this game, we really tried to accomplish our goals as a team. Good Game everyone! This was a lot of fun. Huge thanks to BC and Curu, this was an excellently run game! | ||
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Ok, gang. I've been thinking about this for a while, and I think in general mafia teams lose because they play the short game instead of playing the long game. It's extremely easy to be passive on day 1-2, think you're doing great, and then get roasted days 3-6. We need to make sure that doesn't happen this game. We have 3KP all the way until 2 members, as long as the gf stays alive. This means we can afford to sac someone for the good of the team. In fact, we can afford to sac TWO or THREE members if it brings us the win in the longterm. I think the main reason that scum teams lose, and that scum members get caught, is because they don't know what to post and they don't have clear goals. We need clear goals this game. Strategies I would like to see us use: * Bus bus bus. I want us to use an orchestrated day 2 bus. Scum teams always talk about bussing on day 3, but by that point it's generally barely a bus, because town normally has someone locked down as scum by Day 3. I want us to bus our medic on Day 2, and then push a lynch onto a townie(someone who defended the bussed player) on day 3, ad hopefully day 4. We won't need our medic most likely, because vigilantes will be shooting at anyone who did not vote to lynch the scum on day 2. Now, all 5 mafia don't need to push for the lynch, only 1 or 2 need to push, and the rest need to just hop on at some point in the day(just like any normal lynch). * Scum lists. Do NOT leave mafia off your scum lists if you don't have a reason. We have a ton of flexibility this game, so don't be afraid to call someone out. In fact, I encourage it. * Threats to mafia: Palmar, Chaoser, DocH, Opz(lategame). These are people we need to kill. Night one I think we should doublestack Palmar, and hit Opz. Chaoser claims he has more time this game, but he's generally a busy man, and unless he shows he has some time to get into this game, he's not worth shooting. DocH is extremely solid if you let him get his feet under him, so we need to rattle him and keep him rattled. I think one of our team members goals should be to keep DocH off balance and call him scum at every turn(possibly even from his first post if he makes a long one). Palmar is just silly good, so he needs to die N1. Keeping him off Balance Day1 would be nice, but it's really not a priority as he should die. * Threats to town: Bill Murray, Jackal58, Kurumi, kenpachi, HiroProtagonist. All five of these players can be a liability to town. The first three because they sometimes have a tendancy to call everyone and their mother scum, the last two because they consistently get lynched as town. We want to give these 5 players free reign, and let them work their magic. What I would like is for everyone to pick one player from each of the following groups, and push that player as scum: Group 1: Palmar, Chaoser, DocH, Opz, Kitaman Group 2: Bill Murray, Jackal58, Kurumi, HiroProtagonist, risk.nuke, Toadesstern Group 3: VisceraEyes, Radfield, Wherebugsgo, LiquidSheth, Jaybrundage, Katina, jayjay This just means that if you don't have any other good reads, or aren't sure what to write, call out one of your three players. Townies are wrong ALL THE TIME, which gives us fantastic cover. The goal is to look like you are actively searching for scum, and if you call out someone from group 3.... you are! * I think we should double stack Palmar on Night 1(he is that big of a threat), and have someone claim a hit. In addition I think we should roleblock our other target, and have someone claim the roleblock(assuming players get notified they were roleblocked even if they are Vanilla). Our goal is to set up confirmed 'townies', and that is actually very easy to do. * Counterclaiming. Having two players counterclaim each other is a fantastic scenario for mafia. It wastes an entire day by figuring out which one to lynch, and if town picks wrong day 1, it wastes an entire second day as well. With a team of 6 mafia, and 3 KP everynight, that is a bargain for us. If we successfully doubletap Palmar, we need to have someone immediately claim the hit and roleclaim their name( Mr. Freeze). This will do one of three things: 1. The claim will go unchallenged, giving us a free confirmed 'townie' 2. Get counterclaimed by the real Mr Freeze. However we have the jump because our player claimed first(with his role name), and right after the kills, which makes the second player look like a lame mafia counterclaimer. Either way town wastes the entirity of Day 2 discussing the counterclaims. 3. A medic claims they saved 1 hit from Palmar, which makes our guy a liar. We swiftly bus him, and then kill the medic that night. Again, town loses a day of discussion with the easy lynch, and they also lose the medic. All three of those scenarios are beneficial to us in a game where mafia KP stays steady. * We never roleblock players unless we are also killing them, or if they have claimed a power role. Roleblocking townies randomly just confirms more players, which is not something we want to do. | ||
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On February 24 2012 03:03 VisceraEyes wrote: lol Rad - your post is like a carbon-copy of my post but with your thoughts instead of mine after the initial paragraph. lmao Man, I wish you had come to the QT and discussed outting your check. I was toying with the idea of, instead of you outting Sheth, you outting Kurumi as Ras. Can you imagine what would have happened if HE got lynched instead? GAAAHHHHH!! What killed you D3 was your WBG claim imho. You might have been able to convince the newer players that you were actually a DT if you'd claimed RB. That makes a whole lot more sense than you not getting blocked OR killed. But yeah, all and all I think we did a good job. Yeah, I really just flew by the seat of my pants on the DT claims, and it probably wasn't the best bet. I should have discussed it with you guys. I'm honestly still not entirely sure why I got lynched though It's very possible that I could have been an actual DT and simply had the bad luck to investigate a player who died. I guess the real thing is townies lynch blues all the time... though I can't really call lynching me bad town play since I was scum! | ||
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On February 24 2012 04:03 RayzorFlash wrote: Random Observation: Both the games I've played in, I've been vanilla town and come off as being scummy... Need to figure out why that is and how to stop it =_= Ico gave you a nice scummy head start in this game which I'm sure didn't help | ||
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