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On February 02 2012 22:02 Toadesstern wrote: *bumpbump* gogo we need 5 more people willing to play. Come on guys, you don't want this to happend do you... + Show Spoiler + | ||
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As this starts up at 4 in the night here I won't be able to write much for the first 12-14 hours. | ||
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AS DrH said so prematurely discussing Batman and Catwomen is a day 1 topic, which we shouldn't dwell to much on. Both (and Catwomen especially) getting lynched is good for town, especially if they are hitting each night instead of using their DT skill. But we will have a hard time knowing that they are a thirdparty, as any DT checks will show the role they chose to show, and Batman probably will look like any other townie/blue and Catwomen might apear more on the scummy side (from their posting). So I say lets just ignore the third parties for now and just scumhunt as usual, trying to hit red. Kenpachi townie claim He does this every game, and it means nothing. I find it much much more suspicious that people are making a big deal out of this. And rgTS reason for voting for him is the thinnest reason I have ever seen. It is not scumhunting, it is not applying pressure, it is just plain distracting. Bill Murray's mass claim On February 06 2012 15:52 Bill Murray wrote: That being said, I want to massclaim. It really backs scum up into having to fake names. It's a video game/fictional universe, how many characters are there, or would I be surprised? Are you joking? Massclaiming in a semi-open set up like this? We know what roles might be in the game, but it is not likely every role is in the game. Scum might have gotten a few examples of what roles are in the game (or maybe all?), and could then easily just sit back and get one of their members to do a fake claim. This would make the whole massclaim thing only beneficial to scum as: A) The blueclaims wouldn't give confirmed townies. Or if town belive this to give confirmed townies, a scum is now suddenly confirmed townie. B) Scum, Batman and Catwomen now knows who to target at night. We would maybe lose as much as 5 blues in one night. The whole confirmed townie thing would just cost us alot of townies, and these "confirmed" townies will be dead before they get to do any impact on the game. This proposed massclaim make me suspect be either scum or thirdparty, as those are the only ones IMO who benefits from it. #FOS Bill Murray | ||
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On February 06 2012 16:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Kenpachi's claim means absolutely nothing, just like it does every game... Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started. My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance. Should be right after that though. I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately. That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead. To kick off some real discussion. I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP. Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies. Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on? At first I thought bad idea (I don't like sacrificing town powerroles), but after thinking it through I think this might be a good idea. Because if Joker is a standard vig with one shot he won't help us all that much anyways. Losing him would be bad in the way losing a townie is bad, but getting Batman completely on our side would more than weigh up for that. If Batman have any brains at all he would play standard safe townplay (after the Joker death), do DT checks and push lynches on scumtargets he had checked, to boost his towncred, all the way until he revealed Hugo Strange, which he then would just off, and leave victoriously. The cons of a strategy like this is if there is a Joker but not a Batman in the game. Then we would just lose a blue for nothing. But overall the idea of Joker claiming is a good one. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 16:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I really love how Dr. H tells everyone to not talk about Batman/Catwoman and then proceeds to post a half page of text on nothing but third party strategy. That's not hypocritical or anything -_- On February 06 2012 15:58 Katina wrote: On February 06 2012 15:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 06 2012 15:31 Katina wrote: On February 06 2012 15:22 Liquid`Sheth wrote: On February 06 2012 15:15 Katina wrote: I wasn't sure if he was being a noob or being serious. I don't think it really means anything. Pretty much everything is something that matters. I'm not sure it matters too much, but its definitely something to look at and think on a little bit imo. I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process On February 06 2012 15:41 Katina wrote: On February 06 2012 15:39 Liquid`Sheth wrote: On February 06 2012 15:35 Bill Murray wrote: I disagree with you. Sheth was questioning the validity of claiming there. It truly is weak play. It's like leaving a zealot on the wrong side of the map, out of the equation, when you're going into battle. However, there is another side to WIFOM, but are both glasses poisoned? So, Bill -- Zealots on the wrong side of the map are good. They are like little scouting strong pillars of Zerg death. Zealots are never on the wrong side of the map. Does this mean you are calling yourself a zealot? And would you be up for poisoning yourself? Considering if you don't drink from either of the glasses you would probably die of thirst. In the case that either way you die, would you drink both glasses to have a quicker death? Or would you only drink one and not overdose on the poison in hopes you may be saved? I think these bring up valid questions. And I hope you will feel my play isn't weak after this. .... I find it peculiar how you're able to use so many words yet say so little in the process What I find peculiar is how you're able to repeat yourself while saying so little in the process. Are you getting scummy vibes off Sheth? You pickin up a lil red tinge there? As Bill Murray said, I merely bring forth statements of factual information. whose smurf are you and why are you already annoying me with useless trash? Yeah I see it came off that way. If you read my whole post you would have seen that I qualified it Show nested quote + Some discussion is alright, day 1 is fine it gets people talking at least but scumhunting should always be #1 priority. To clarify I meant to say that it's not something that town should focus on throughout the whole game but it's a good way to get the ball rolling on day 1 and some players might reveal some less than town motives in the process. It is however NOT the focus of our game. The towns focus is to find and lynch/hit scum players not to direct third parties. I'm not contradicting myself at all. it's been in my experience in theme games that the discussion of role mechanics/third parties is so overwhelming that it's still dominating the town day 2+ and that's bad play Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 16:20 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Kenpachi's claim means absolutely nothing, just like it does every game... Sheth's gotta be scum, look at all that useless filler, and the games only just started. My activities going to be sub par for the next 16~24 hours, sorry in advance. Should be right after that though. I disagree with DocH, who's to know if batman/catwoman are going to shoot accurately. That's not a risk I want to take, when we could reduce overall KP and give ourselves more time to analyse instead. To kick off some real discussion. I'd like to discuss the Joker claiming ASAP. Sure he dies overnight, but then we have batman as essentially a buffed up version of the same role from that night until the gf dies. Catwoman's targets on the other hand, where do we balance a known two townie deaths vs potentially a lot more as the game drags on? This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. You're assuming that handing over the Joker in any way helps us find Hugo, but it doesn't. Keep your mouth shut about the Joker, if you find Hugo that's when you speak up. Batman helps us in the end if he fulfills both of his win conditions. What if we manage lynch Hugo Day 1? Don't jump the gun taking stupid risks this early. Show nested quote + At first I thought bad idea (I don't like sacrificing town powerroles), but after thinking it through I think this might be a good idea. Because if Joker is a standard vig with one shot he won't help us all that much anyways. Vig is one of the best pro-town roles Tunkeg, if not THE best in the hands of a good player. Batman is not completely on our side either way. Consider two scenarios: 1. Joker claims and is killed by Batman Outcome - Batman win condition half fulfilled, Town vig dead Night 1 2. Joker doesn't claim and Batman uses DT powers at night Outcome - Equal chance of him either finding Hugo OR The Joker. We lose nothing. We don't NEED to give him some kind of "offering" to get him to "help" us. If he wants to win he has to help us in one capacity and if he manages to find Hugo first (completely plausible) he is no longer a factor in a town victory. There is no logical advantage to town for offering up the Joker. Vig is a crucial role for the town to have especially late game. Well, there is a third option and that is that Joker doesn't claim and Batman just do hits at night as he have no need to DT his targets as long as both his targets are alive. And there is alot bigger chance that Batman will hit townies than it is for him to hit scum (22 townies to 7). You also have the chance that Batman gets Hugo first, and after this he will pretty much be on the scum side (while wanting to appear as townie as he can, as he can only be daykilled). But I agree we don't NEED to sacrifice the Joker to get Batman on our side. I think we are quite capable to win this without cutting a deal with Batman. But I belive it would be beneficial to town to do so, thats all. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. And why would he not shoot townies looking for Hugo? On "honor"? He can't claim so we can't hold him to it and he doesn't care if we win or not. He's going to either DT or shoot every night based on his preferences regardless of whether or not he hits Joker early or not. It will take him a bit out of the game sooner, but isn't this irrelevant considering no one is supposedly allowed to roleclaim anyway? I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk: A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease) B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning). So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 19:25 Tunkeg wrote: On February 06 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. And why would he not shoot townies looking for Hugo? On "honor"? He can't claim so we can't hold him to it and he doesn't care if we win or not. He's going to either DT or shoot every night based on his preferences regardless of whether or not he hits Joker early or not. It will take him a bit out of the game sooner, but isn't this irrelevant considering no one is supposedly allowed to roleclaim anyway? I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk: A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease) B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning). So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO. That's why he shouldn't hit hit hit at all but use his DT power and only hit when he has a match. That is the safest way to play the role for the exact reasons you claim. There's no reason to give up the Joker Day 1 when we don't even know what Batmans going to do and I can tell you already if he's a smart player he's going to use the DT I agree Batman should DT mid to late game. But for the first 2-3 nights he should just hit. I belive that trading the Joker for either getting Batman to be on the townside or getting Hugo killed (if that happends very soon after Joker death) is a good deal for town. As I have said before, if Batman gets Joker he can pretty much play a very pro-town standard game, as he then basicly wins with town, and he only loses by scum winning or him getting lynched. He will then push pro-town lynches all the way until he gets Hugo, as he he can't be lynched by night, and playing pro-town (even revealing some of his DT checks as XX is town, or YY is scum basicly softclaiming DT) so he won't get lynched by town during the day. | ||
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On February 06 2012 19:50 Tobberoth wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 19:36 Tunkeg wrote: On February 06 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 06 2012 19:25 Tunkeg wrote: On February 06 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. And why would he not shoot townies looking for Hugo? On "honor"? He can't claim so we can't hold him to it and he doesn't care if we win or not. He's going to either DT or shoot every night based on his preferences regardless of whether or not he hits Joker early or not. It will take him a bit out of the game sooner, but isn't this irrelevant considering no one is supposedly allowed to roleclaim anyway? I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk: A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease) B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning). So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO. That's why he shouldn't hit hit hit at all but use his DT power and only hit when he has a match. That is the safest way to play the role for the exact reasons you claim. There's no reason to give up the Joker Day 1 when we don't even know what Batmans going to do and I can tell you already if he's a smart player he's going to use the DT I agree Batman should DT mid to late game. But for the first 2-3 nights he should just hit. I belive that trading the Joker for either getting Batman to be on the townside or getting Hugo killed (if that happends very soon after Joker death) is a good deal for town. As I have said before, if Batman gets Joker he can pretty much play a very pro-town standard game, as he then basicly wins with town, and he only loses by scum winning or him getting lynched. He will then push pro-town lynches all the way until he gets Hugo, as he he can't be lynched by night, and playing pro-town (even revealing some of his DT checks as XX is town, or YY is scum basicly softclaiming DT) so he won't get lynched by town during the day. Shouldn't it be the other way around? In the first days, there's little to go on, so all his hits will be blind and he'll just lower the amount of players for nothing since he doesn't know what he will hit. Sounds to me like a better idea to use the safe period of the early game to DT and get a feel for what players he needs to hit/not hit later. If Batman hits players randomly in the first few days, there's a risk he'll kill of scums which is bad for him since it gives the town a much better chance to kill off the scum before Batman gets the joker. Later in the game, discussions have probably led to clues so he can more easily hit townies directly when looking for the joker. Seems to me that by logic, batman should be most dangerous for townies the later we get in the game without joker being killed, while it should be decently safe early on. Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them. Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer. Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game. Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing. | ||
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On February 06 2012 21:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 20:03 Tunkeg wrote: On February 06 2012 19:50 Tobberoth wrote: On February 06 2012 19:36 Tunkeg wrote: On February 06 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 06 2012 19:25 Tunkeg wrote: On February 06 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 06 2012 19:04 Cyber_Cheese wrote: On February 06 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This would be a good example of that. Because Batman wins off lynches, it doesn't benefit for him to work actively against us. Point out the guy you think is Hugo, don't hand over the vig to Batman. Trading the Joker for a 100% Joker kill that night/day is a good trade. Why would we out Joker to help a third party that has to help us anyway when we can keep our vig potentially for a couple days at least? That's not a good plan. He doesn't gain powers from killing Joker, it's just part of his win condition. If we don't hand the joker over, Batman has to guess who he is, and has a reason to shoot townies. And why would he not shoot townies looking for Hugo? On "honor"? He can't claim so we can't hold him to it and he doesn't care if we win or not. He's going to either DT or shoot every night based on his preferences regardless of whether or not he hits Joker early or not. It will take him a bit out of the game sooner, but isn't this irrelevant considering no one is supposedly allowed to roleclaim anyway? I disagree. If Batman gets Joker early on he have no reason to just go hit hit hit. Him just hitting blindly after getting one of his target may just whittle down one of the allignement to a point where Batman may risk: A: Getting daylynch (chance increase when number of remaining players decrease) B: One side winning (causing Batman to lose if he have lynched Hugo, but not Joker and town winning, or if he have lynched Joker, but not Hugo and scum winning). So Batmans should hit hit hit until he gets one of the targets (or one side is getting low) and then he MUST DT, that is optimal for Batman IMO. That's why he shouldn't hit hit hit at all but use his DT power and only hit when he has a match. That is the safest way to play the role for the exact reasons you claim. There's no reason to give up the Joker Day 1 when we don't even know what Batmans going to do and I can tell you already if he's a smart player he's going to use the DT I agree Batman should DT mid to late game. But for the first 2-3 nights he should just hit. I belive that trading the Joker for either getting Batman to be on the townside or getting Hugo killed (if that happends very soon after Joker death) is a good deal for town. As I have said before, if Batman gets Joker he can pretty much play a very pro-town standard game, as he then basicly wins with town, and he only loses by scum winning or him getting lynched. He will then push pro-town lynches all the way until he gets Hugo, as he he can't be lynched by night, and playing pro-town (even revealing some of his DT checks as XX is town, or YY is scum basicly softclaiming DT) so he won't get lynched by town during the day. Shouldn't it be the other way around? In the first days, there's little to go on, so all his hits will be blind and he'll just lower the amount of players for nothing since he doesn't know what he will hit. Sounds to me like a better idea to use the safe period of the early game to DT and get a feel for what players he needs to hit/not hit later. If Batman hits players randomly in the first few days, there's a risk he'll kill of scums which is bad for him since it gives the town a much better chance to kill off the scum before Batman gets the joker. Later in the game, discussions have probably led to clues so he can more easily hit townies directly when looking for the joker. Seems to me that by logic, batman should be most dangerous for townies the later we get in the game without joker being killed, while it should be decently safe early on. Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. My way: Early hits is pretty safe for Batman as both factions are far from elimination. Therefor my logic is that he might as well just hit and try his luck instead of DT the ones he suspects and then later hit them. Dr H's way: DT all the way until he finds his targets. Secure that Batman don't help any faction, and is the safer option as he won't whittle away any of the factions. It might take longer for Batman to secure his objectives compared to my way, but it is definatly safer. Your way: DT early and hit late makes Batmans hit more accurate as he have less people to chose from. But this is the most risky strat of it all for Batman IMO. Cause if Batman misshit lategame he might just end the game. Well, now I have rambled on long enough about the Joker claim thing. I think all of you know where I stand and why. Unless someone want me to clarify more on my stance I will just leave this for now, so other topics may be discussed or others might put in their two cents on the Joker claim thing. I'm voting for you because of this quote: Show nested quote + Well, both your way, Dr H's way and my way might all be viable strategies for Batman, it depends on many things though. No way you're that wishy washy if you're convinced your plan is pro-town, especially when it concerns the life of a blue? You're just distancing yourself from the heat now. I'm voting for you Day 1, I was gonna vote for Kpach because we need to stop letting him get away with this "hehe im just dumb i always claim green day 1 im not mafia just stupid" act he does in every single game, but that just really rustles my jimmies right there. Vaguest empty statement I've seen in this game so far. So you are voting me because I think Batman could do all these three things, and that I am contradicting myself by saying so? I am even saying in my post that I think my strat is best for Batman, yours are safest and Tobberoth most risky. My view on the Joker claim isn't wishy washy at all, I've said it many times that I think it is more pros than cons in having a Joker claim and death and a Batman who is scumhunting only. | ||
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On February 06 2012 22:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You didn't mention the joker claim in "my way" you just said batman should shoot the first few days which is completely anti-town as it is. Your plan is anti-town but you're not willing to commit to it, that's why I'm voting for you. I don't even have a plan I'm just pointing out the flaws in Cyber_Cheese's grand scheme. If Batman has any sense and other people have already pointed out that it makes even less sense for him to use his KP earlier than later. Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 22:01 ico wrote: On February 06 2012 21:45 Adam4167 wrote: All this setup piffle is useless and counterproductive. Both sides can post filler about the setup. Let power roles make their own judgement calls, let the night actions unfold as they do, and spend your time doing something that will actually lead to scum kills, like prodding people or reading filters. In the spirit of that: Kurumi, you soft-defend Schworz twice in a single post, also indicate that vigi's should avoid him and the rest of your post is basic setup waffle. I don't remember you being this wishy-washy in TL50 either, with statements like 'I find it funny that...' and 'I just ponder', you sure come off that way now. What are you playing at? Tobberoth, you say you're considering a vote on Kenpachi, yet you want to wait until 'discussion comes up later in the day'. This comes off as quite passive and almost like you're waiting for a bandwagon to pickup speed before you seal the deal. Why not just vote him now if you find him suspicious, as you claim, then move it later as more information presents itself? Ico, policy lynches are retarded... just no. Jaybrundage, I know you haven't even posted yet, but we've never been the same team. Don't see why this game would be any different. Have my vote! ##Vote: jaybrundage And we have another herp derp poster. You are making your own case. Only scum knows whether someone is on their team by now. So you are either scum or stupid townie. In each case you are a threat to town. I don't know if this is OMGUS or a horrible horrible misunderstanding of what Adam posted. Hopefully it's not a language barrier issue. He didn't seriously claim he knows what team anyone is on, he's using the random vote which is viable this early in the game and making a lighthearted joke about it. That's really not scummy. You had a layout for optimal Batman play, and I had one as well (and my plan for Batman beeing antitown, yes it is, and anti scum as well, Batman is thrid party you know). I was not looking to explain Batman play from a town perspective, from a town perspective your layout is far the best, but I don't think Batman gives a rats ass about how town does it. He wants his to kills and thats it, he will use a strategy that is optimal for himself. Us giving him Joker would lead Batman to only play anti-scum. Yeah, you try to point out the flaws, I try to point out what would be good about such a claim. I am sticking to my view on the Joker claim, where have I done anything else? If you say it is my "Batman plan" that is anti-town and I am not sticking to it, well I have allready said that Batman don't care if his play (night time choices) are anti-town, and I am saying I think my layout for Batman (from Batmans perspective) is the best. But I do not know what Batman will chose, and therefor I write that all three choices are viable strategies. | ||
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On February 06 2012 22:13 Forumite wrote: Tunkeg, setup-discussion doesn´t help Town, takes too much time and energy from scumhunting, and allow scum to blend in. Instead, could you tell me what you think about the other players? What do you think about VE, Kenpachi, and rgTheSchworz? Kenpachi and rgTS I think I said my view on in my opening post: On February 06 2012 18:23 Tunkeg wrote: Batman/Catwomen AS DrH said so prematurely discussing Batman and Catwomen is a day 1 topic, which we shouldn't dwell to much on. Both (and Catwomen especially) getting lynched is good for town, especially if they are hitting each night instead of using their DT skill. But we will have a hard time knowing that they are a thirdparty, as any DT checks will show the role they chose to show, and Batman probably will look like any other townie/blue and Catwomen might apear more on the scummy side (from their posting). So I say lets just ignore the third parties for now and just scumhunt as usual, trying to hit red. Kenpachi townie claim He does this every game, and it means nothing. I find it much much more suspicious that people are making a big deal out of this. And rgTS reason for voting for him is the thinnest reason I have ever seen. It is not scumhunting, it is not applying pressure, it is just plain distracting. Bill Murray's mass claim Show nested quote + On February 06 2012 15:52 Bill Murray wrote: That being said, I want to massclaim. It really backs scum up into having to fake names. It's a video game/fictional universe, how many characters are there, or would I be surprised? Are you joking? Massclaiming in a semi-open set up like this? We know what roles might be in the game, but it is not likely every role is in the game. Scum might have gotten a few examples of what roles are in the game (or maybe all?), and could then easily just sit back and get one of their members to do a fake claim. This would make the whole massclaim thing only beneficial to scum as: A) The blueclaims wouldn't give confirmed townies. Or if town belive this to give confirmed townies, a scum is now suddenly confirmed townie. B) Scum, Batman and Catwomen now knows who to target at night. We would maybe lose as much as 5 blues in one night. The whole confirmed townie thing would just cost us alot of townies, and these "confirmed" townies will be dead before they get to do any impact on the game. This proposed massclaim make me suspect be either scum or thirdparty, as those are the only ones IMO who benefits from it. #FOS Bill Murray But I don't really see why people are voting for either one of them as of now. Sure I don't agree on rgTS vote on kenpachi and his reasoning behind it (RnG and stuff), but to go from there to him beeing scum is a bit far fetched. VE haven't posted more then one post thus far and I have no opinion on him what so ever. | ||
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Bill Murray Just fluff, a silly massclaim proposal (must be a joke) and a weakass vote for kenpachi. layabout He is just beeing his lovely sarcastic self. Thus far he have only been posting smirk comments and useless crap. As I know him from Student mafia, he is a total prick, but that is ok, because he actually was playing a great town game. This time around he is just a useless prick. Time to step up man? Palmar The guy with the biggest ego on the whole internetz. Also just posting crap and beeing an ass in general thus far. Basicly just OMGUS'ing everyone and trolling around. His longest fucking post is the lyrics of Don't you cry tonight, rest is just crap. He have been the one sucking the most today, and thats why I give him the Fluffer of the day award. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:19 layabout wrote: glad you asked: the names above the key are there because there was no room below the key. that picture will become my primary tool for scumhunting in this and quite likely furture games. it is similar in essence to a Nisani "node graph" but is better because it is in paint. You also prompted me to add a new section for those players that i just cannot read I present Arkham city V 2.0.1.png: + Show Spoiler + Is this some new crap like your Bullshitformula in Purgetory where you were scum? | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:23 Slardar wrote: *unrelated to this game* TUNKEG - You better edit out that picture, before you get the hammer in the nuts. Why, it is a real trophy received at a golf tournement. If it is offensive I will ask the host of the game of permission to delete it though. | ||
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On February 07 2012 07:47 Palmar wrote: @layabout, you don't have the street cred to call people dumb yet. If it wasn't for your pretty awesome categorizing shit I'd say VE's contributions are worth more than yours. @Tunkeg, ironically, I've said more important shit than you. Also, I'm totally fine with killing bugs, because it's hilarious to kill him day 1. In addition, he's great scum, and his reads as town tend to suck UNTIL he's dead. When he's dead he goes on a observer topic rampage and figures out scum in no time. So killing him is best for everyone. Ironically this kind of crap comeback is what you allways pull. "Well, I am better than you anyways", "I have done shit tons more than you anyway", "Don't critcize me cause I am the best ever at this game". You haven't done shit in this game and you know it. I have at least given people a chance to get a read on me, you are just trolling. So is this the clueless scum Palmar that is playing or the careless town Palmar? | ||
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Reason 1: He have only been dicking around. Not posting anything of value (well, this is the case for many players you might say. Reason 2: He is creating "tools" for scumhunting that is totally useless (funny, yeah, maybe, depends). Exactly like he did with his Bullshit formula in Purgatory, where he was scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=74#1464 Layabout is the first to point out anything he sees as bad, crappy, stupid etc etc. And from my limited knowledge of his play I think his scumhunting is pretty good. So for him to post such distracting crap like this I see as scummy. Reason 3 He is scared. I have called him out twice (three times counting this post) allready and he haven't talked back. What's up with that mister superaggressive? Is it because you know I am the king of tunneling, and as scum don't want this kind of attention? I think a layabout town would go straight for my throat after these posts. He is just sitting back and taking it. Come out, bring your a-game, be your obnoxious scumhunting SOB layabout townie, or face the hangman tonight as the fooling around scum layabout. #Vote: layabout | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:16 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [For JJ] + Radfield past games http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=52884 Election Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212&user=52884 TL Mafia XLVIII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=52884 TL Mafia XLVII http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403&user=52884 Team Melee Mini Mafia - Couples Therapy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=52884 Pick Your Power Interesting! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699&user=52884 Lord of the Rings Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240842&user=52884 Merc Mini 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=235762&user=52884 Closed Casket Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218973&user=52884 Pick Your Power Insane! Show nested quote + On February 07 2012 23:18 Tunkeg wrote: I want to lynch layabout today, why? Reason 1: He have only been dicking around. Not posting anything of value (well, this is the case for many players you might say. Reason 2: He is creating "tools" for scumhunting that is totally useless (funny, yeah, maybe, depends). Exactly like he did with his Bullshit formula in Purgatory, where he was scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=74#1464 Layabout is the first to point out anything he sees as bad, crappy, stupid etc etc. And from my limited knowledge of his play I think his scumhunting is pretty good. So for him to post such distracting crap like this I see as scummy. Reason 3 He is scared. I have called him out twice (three times counting this post) allready and he haven't talked back. What's up with that mister superaggressive? Is it because you know I am the king of tunneling, and as scum don't want this kind of attention? I think a layabout town would go straight for my throat after these posts. He is just sitting back and taking it. Come out, bring your a-game, be your obnoxious scumhunting SOB layabout townie, or face the hangman tonight as the fooling around scum layabout. #Vote: layabout remember how in student we had a little "falling out"? i think you need to remember that what happens in the thread stays in thread and you should not let your (admittedly justifiable) hatred of me make you see red where there is none. None of the reasons you have given have any relation to my alignment. Show nested quote + layabout He is just beeing his lovely sarcastic self. Thus far he have only been posting smirk comments and useless crap. As I know him from Student mafia, he is a total prick, but that is ok, because he actually was playing a great town game. This time around he is just a useless prick. Time to step up man? I have only one rule: Be Polite. You should not have called my a prick. It's bullying. I was hoping that by ignoring you you would go away. If anything this game i have tried to be a sort-of "lovable arsehole", sure i am a bit of a prick but i am a prick with a smile. Show nested quote + Is this some new crap like your Bullshitformula in Purgetory where you were scum? That bullshit formula was and is an effective means to hunt scum that should be more successful than the average TL town. Why are you trying to draw parallels between my play in that game and my play in this one. I made that post because i was frustrated and had WAY too much time on my hands. In that game i threw effort at the thread, in this game i have been useless and fairly neutral in my posting. Nevertheless how is that post (the MS paint pic) indicative of my alignment? I wonder how not responding shows that i am "scared". Tunkeg you called me useless (i have been) and you criticised my bullshit formula. I didn't think it was worth responding to. You then threw a vote on me which has prompted a response but it does not contain much, because there is not a lot to say. To me it appears that Tunkeg doesn't like me, he may be trying to pressure me but i feel like he just wants to vote for the sake of it.... Speaking of which i never really explained my vote for cyber cheese. I was going to post this back on page 17 in but decided not to i have spoilered first bit because the initial discussion should not be brought up over and over, but i have left it there anyway: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 07 2012 04:29 layabout wrote: On February 07 2012 04:27 rgTheSchworz wrote: On February 06 2012 18:41 Kenpachi wrote: .On February 06 2012 16:50 rgTheSchworz wrote: Way to go claiming Joker. Don't do that. We lose one vig for .,.... nothing, cuz Batman is helping us regardless of the situation. And his task isn't to shoot scum, it's to shoot 1 particular scum. He won't risk giving off info for the sake of helping town, he's 3rd party after all and only cares for his win. It's likely he'll DT ppl till he finds Hugo.And he can't hint at being batman at all. Anyone who claims being town or any blue D1 should be considered for a lynch.It's stupid,useless,and full of WIFOM-Helps scum a ton. For the lack of a proper Random Voting Stage, I vote Kenpachi. Considering the current situation, it's justified and if it goes through, we'll have info at least. There's no mayoral elections so setup chat and strategies shouldn't make scum stick out too much in the thread. This, instead will. I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions. This post is an atrocity. RANDOM VOTING STAGE? REALLY? fucking dumb. Its detrimental to blow any KP you get for mere information.[ Fun Fact: Town loses when i get lynched. (100% of the time) Oh and im not hinting anytihng. i shouldn't give a vibe when i claim townie. Ive claimed townie when i was Mafia, Veteran, Vigilante, Doctor and etc. From my standpoint, i have no opinion on Sheth, however im now deadset on this fool Ooh, this is what I was looking for. OMGUS+Saying that he claiming town doesn't mean anything. Then why do you claim town? To look interesting? I'm not yet advocating blowing any lynches not KP, cuz KP are scum's property right?Very minor scumslip here. You get all jittery and angry when I vote you. FoS : Kenpachi Also ##Unvote Guess it was random after all, contrary to what some believe. RVS over. I'll look into ppl's responses to my posts and analyze them.Point was and still is to get ppl off setup talking. Posting analysis as I go. May double or triple post have fun going through all of his posts. maybe you should read through some of his old games and then come back and apologise for wasting our time. All Your posts are utter garbage. Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town? Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us? Why are You defending Kenpachi? Do you honestly think that Kenpachi's posting shows us that he is likely to be scum? The focus on him is stupid and i think we should abandon that path of thought. If i were to say: "Kurumi has not posted any tf2 related videos yet, i reckon that means that he is scum, voteKurumi" any player would be entitled to tell me that that is bullcrap and that i should not be trying to lynch you for that reason. It is not an issue of defending anybody. It is an issue of bad reasoning. That said i think that Ken is nearly always a reasonable lynch and that he is therefore easy to lynch. If we want to hunt scum pressuring Kenpachi seems like a bad way to start. Conversely, since mafia do not want us to successfully hunt scum such discussion is a good way for them to start Cyber Cheese As a player that has advocated an anti-town move i think that cyber cheese would be a far better lynch candidate. Yes that is basically it. I know its weak. But there isn't much to go on yet. (most of this has been said already) Joker does not need to claim. Joker claiming costs town a vig and has no considerable benefits -Batman cannot communicate directly with us so we cannot know if Batman intends to help town -Batman could still hit town whether or not the Joker is alive, if town is winning it makes sense for batman to kill town. -Batman could simply use DT powers to find Hugo and not kill scum (other than Hugo), which doesn't help town since -Batman would still need to kill Hugo Strange whether the Joker is alive or not On February 06 2012 16:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote: This could be a perfectly pro-town - contribute if you are town post. As a side note, if you don't want a topic discussed, add in a topic that will create discussion in it's place. It could also be an "I know my plan is useless and that following it would benefit scum but please don't just call it bad, think of another (hopefully unproductive) topic and discuss that instead" If he felt that claiming Joker was worth considering and benficial to town, it would make sense to try to discuss it and push it. Instead this post would remove his responsibility for discussing a pro-mafia move. I suppose i didn't post it because i often prepare posts and then don't post them because they aren't good enough. + Show Spoiler + You may wish to pause and think about what this means i was also wondering who would still be pushing players using the logic of "they have best useless therefore they must be scum" So far nearly every player that has been put forward to be lynched has had something in common: They have not behaved in a way that suggests that they have an above average chance of flipping scum. Most people pushing cases have been doing so not because they have substance but because of "some other reason that is probably not pro-town" + Show Spoiler [Examples of poor lynch targets] + Bill Murray Kenpachi rgtheschworz - i know some people had reasons but they were not good slardar jaybrundage layabout -_-Qualis All of that negative crap said We now have a few candidates that might actually be scum: Toad Cyber+Cheese Sheth maybe someone else I have no hatred for you <3 Yes, I had in Student. I think you were a sarcastic, arrogant bastard in that game. But in that game I think you played very good. You came in and won town the game by getting xtfftc lynched. You were also spot on considering me and my posts (pretty bad), but the way you presented it pissed me off. The difference here is that you haven't done anything worthwhile. I am not sure how to interpret your reply to me here, I was both hoping and fearing at the same time that you would come out guns a blazing at me. Hoping because that somehow would show that you didn't fear getting into a attention seeking fight, fearing because it might have caused me to tunnel you forever. This calm collected answer worries me... I am not sure how to procede here. My vote stays on you for now. Convice me otherwise by doing some good posts. | ||
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On February 08 2012 01:59 Bill Murray wrote: when i say half of the game having names of their own, i mean to say half of the game are town power roles if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right? i guess not all 16 have to be in the game... anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie WTF do you want to achieve by this? If you aren't scum you got a big crosshair on you, and if you aren't third party you will soon enough die at night. I can not see a scenario where this will benefit town. More so we as a town don't get any smarter by this, you aren't confirmed in any way you just confuse us by doing so. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:29 chaoser wrote: I've read up to page 17. This game makes me not want to play mafia anymore.... First three pages after start of the game were a big circlejerk and then the next three are just random accusations and shitty logic...I should have listened to GM about playing in games with lots of newbies... I hate all of you /end rant ##vote rgTheSchworz Read some of his shit... Show nested quote + "I feel Day 1 someone always gets lynched for beingcarelessandthat someone is almost always a townie.So, it doesn't do any harm at all to ramp the pressure now instead of later in the day when we will be hard-pressed for time and are likely to make hasty decisions." Show nested quote + "I personally doubt that he's a blue trying to hide by claiming green, so scum know his role already. Terribad for us." Show nested quote + "You, sir are Scum" and then..."And me be damned if this is not a pressurevote or a normal vote in any way: ##Vote: -_-Quails" I will post a bigger post after getting to the end If its so terrible for you, then please take your elitist ass and GTFO. Ask for a replacement or whatever. No one will miss you... | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:39 Bill Murray wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 02:13 Tunkeg wrote: On February 08 2012 01:59 Bill Murray wrote: when i say half of the game having names of their own, i mean to say half of the game are town power roles if you are not green, and not mafia, you are a power role, right? i guess not all 16 have to be in the game... anyways, im going to officially claim that i am not a townie WTF do you want to achieve by this? If you aren't scum you got a big crosshair on you, and if you aren't third party you will soon enough die at night. I can not see a scenario where this will benefit town. More so we as a town don't get any smarter by this, you aren't confirmed in any way you just confuse us by doing so. hahaha, tunkeg, my boy, sit down and watch the pro at work there is this thing called having your medics protect different people (like me!) there is a thing called coordinating your vigilantes so they dont hit the same people there is a thing called a detective check if we massclaim (and im trying to get you all to see we should) we actually will have more KP than the mafia, + lynch and batman... how is that bad? i ALREADY have a giant crosshair on me, furthermore. I would be killed off just as easily as someone like Radfield, due to my scumhunting prowess later in the game via votecounting analysis. I like your style. You make this game intersting indeed. But I don't like it from a town perspective. I think your claim is just so annoyingly confusing. You make a halfassed claim that is impossible for anyone to verify, you could just as well be scum with a crazy plan or Batman/CW doing something crazy. I am not sure if I am right about this, but my thoughts are that if you are going to claim anything, then at least do us the courtesy to claim it in full. | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:44 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 02:39 Tunkeg wrote: Either that or try contributing without QQ'ing all over the thread... It's like walking into a room for a party but instead a majority of people are taking big dumps all over the floor. You want to talk to people but walking around in a problem. So all you can do is hope people are drinking the infected water in the punch bowl and develop cholera and die off. In the mean time you just point at the biggest dump taker and say let's just hang that fucker outright. Get it? No it is like an asshole comming to a party, and it don't turn out as he wants, but instead of going home he just to go around agitating everyone, until someone kick the asshole in the face... | ||
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On February 08 2012 02:53 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 02:51 Tunkeg wrote: On February 08 2012 02:44 chaoser wrote: On February 08 2012 02:39 Tunkeg wrote: Either that or try contributing without QQ'ing all over the thread... It's like walking into a room for a party but instead a majority of people are taking big dumps all over the floor. You want to talk to people but walking around in a problem. So all you can do is hope people are drinking the infected water in the punch bowl and develop cholera and die off. In the mean time you just point at the biggest dump taker and say let's just hang that fucker outright. Get it? No it is like an asshole comming to a party, and it don't turn out as he wants, but instead of going home he just to go around agitating everyone, until someone kick the asshole in the face... Are you going to be the one that kicks "the asshole in the face"? I think I just did... Problem is that you got a concussion and is still talking jibber jabber. So I'll just leave you alone, ignore you and let the others cater you back to health. | ||
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On February 08 2012 03:03 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 03:00 Tunkeg wrote: On February 08 2012 02:53 chaoser wrote: On February 08 2012 02:51 Tunkeg wrote: On February 08 2012 02:44 chaoser wrote: On February 08 2012 02:39 Tunkeg wrote: Either that or try contributing without QQ'ing all over the thread... It's like walking into a room for a party but instead a majority of people are taking big dumps all over the floor. You want to talk to people but walking around in a problem. So all you can do is hope people are drinking the infected water in the punch bowl and develop cholera and die off. In the mean time you just point at the biggest dump taker and say let's just hang that fucker outright. Get it? No it is like an asshole comming to a party, and it don't turn out as he wants, but instead of going home he just to go around agitating everyone, until someone kick the asshole in the face... Are you going to be the one that kicks "the asshole in the face"? I think I just did... Problem is that you got a concussion and is still talking jibber jabber. So I'll just leave you alone, ignore you and let the others cater you back to health. I don't see how you just "kicked me in the face" so yeah...Also what's jibber jabber? My quote of you equating a vigi to a townie and thus advocating that he out himself to Batman to be killed? That's real smart... My first post to you was the kick in the face. Jibber jabber is bullshit. I have explained myself on the Joker Claim numerous times, read the thread. And yeah, I think it is smart. But it aren't going to happend so I won't waste anyones time more by talking about it. You like distracting town by going back to this topic? | ||
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On one hand you have CC who have done the rgST push and started the Joker Claim thing. After awhile it was pretty much me and DrH going back and forth on it, CC leaving me high and dry pretty much. I still belive that Joker claim would be pro-town, but CC might had a hidden plan (that I don't see) in getting me or anyone else going along with this plan lynched (meaning he is scum) or he is Batman (wanting the easy kill on Joker). For Sheth he haven't posted anything that I consider pro-town yet. He flip-flopped on the whole Joker thing, and as soon as he got attention from DrH he just switched 180 around. Am I sold that anyone of them is scum. No, not at all, would I be more content with lynching layabout, yes indeed (he haven't convinced me he is town, and still is my strongest read). Will I make my vote count? Yes, and I will swing it on Sheth, as I think it is more likely that he is scum than CC. ##Vote Liquid`Sheth | ||
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Next chaoser you are a clueless jerk, you have earned yourself a spot on the Tunkeg tunneling train, I will have my vote on you for as long as either of us are in the game. If I had a vig shot I would use it on you. You were wrong about CC, and you are wrong about me. You got shit for logic, you came late and just crapped all over the thread. You are either scum or very expendable. Its either you or me, someone have to go, I'm fine either way. Layabout is still my secound choice as scum, for all the reasons I have said before. He doesn't look like town layabout and if the shoe doesn't fit, well, he is scum. Bill Murray is also probably scummy, all of his claiming and masoning posts are just confusing (though very entertaining). So my hit list in order of priority is: chaoser layabout DrH BillMurray | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It was still a stupid plan, whether CC was town or not doesn't make it good. Being wrong on Day 1 also doesn't make you scum. Don't kid yourself, try real analysis instead of this bullshit please. This is what I do. I think your view on the Joker Claim is wrong, and you just see one side of the arguement, meaning you have an agenda behind it, a anti-town agenda... | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:21 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 18:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It was still a stupid plan, whether CC was town or not doesn't make it good. Being wrong on Day 1 also doesn't make you scum. Don't kid yourself, try real analysis instead of this bullshit please. This is what I do. I think your view on the Joker Claim is wrong, and you just see one side of the arguement, meaning you have an agenda behind it, a anti-town agenda... And don't worry you are only number 3 on my list, I won't focus on you until at least chaoser is dead and gone away. | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:26 Tobberoth wrote: Glad to see someone else finally supporting the lynch of chaoser. I can't believe more people haven't voted on him since I did, I mean look at his filter, he's basically done nothing except trolling. Jumping on the band wagon early? check. stealth voting C_C without really supplying any reason? check. Chaoser is definitely not town. The problem with veterans (if chaoser is a veteran) for us newer players are that we don't know their meta. For all I know chaoser might just be this useless as town, and the rest know it, and therefor just ignores him. But as I don't have any meta on him I will call it as I see it, and that is that he is anti-town at best, and likely scum. | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:32 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote: Its either you or me, someone have to go, I'm fine either way. You're seriously pulling this card again after saying after Student Mafia how much of a brain-fart it was? Yup, people that pisses me off pisses me off, done deal. In Student it almost cost town the victory, and it was bad by me. Here we are at night one, with 30 players left to go I see little harm for town in me getting lynched for going all in against chaoser. I belive he is scum. He is hurting town, I don't play good with these kinds of players around , if I can't get them out they will annoy me for the rest of the game. This is a risk vs reward evaluation from me, I risk getting lynched or nightkilled (if I am right) or even being protrayed as a fool who only tunnels. But the sweet reward should chaoser flip scum, or even just getting him out of the game so I can truly ignore him weighs up for it... | ||
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On February 08 2012 18:51 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 18:32 Adam4167 wrote: On February 08 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote: Its either you or me, someone have to go, I'm fine either way. You're seriously pulling this card again after saying after Student Mafia how much of a brain-fart it was? Yup, people that pisses me off pisses me off, done deal. In Student it almost cost town the victory, and it was bad by me. Here we are at night one, with 30 players left to go I see little harm for town in me getting lynched for going all in against chaoser. I belive he is scum. He is hurting town, I don't play good with these kinds of players around , if I can't get them out they will annoy me for the rest of the game. This is a risk vs reward evaluation from me, I risk getting lynched or nightkilled (if I am right) or even being protrayed as a fool who only tunnels. But the sweet reward should chaoser flip scum, or even just getting him out of the game so I can truly ignore him weighs up for it... Also this might just become my trademark. You've allready seen one scum in this game (read layabout) back down from a fight with me because of all the unwanted attention it gets. And he wouldn't back down from a fight otherwise. | ||
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On February 08 2012 19:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 18:21 Palmar wrote: On February 08 2012 18:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It was still a stupid plan, whether CC was town or not doesn't make it good. Being wrong on Day 1 also doesn't make you scum. Don't kid yourself, try real analysis instead of this bullshit please. Why did you vote for him then? Because I thought CC was scum. LIE!!!! You wrote many times you thought CC was Batman... But I think you are scum and you knew CC was on the townside... | ||
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On February 08 2012 19:19 Toadesstern wrote: Mmmh, I don't want catwoman to randomly shoot into a DT because she thinks it's TwoFace so I might claim as well. Wanted to see the lynch first to see if I'm on a killing spree again like in L or if I suck. Apparently I suck and I just send BC a pm that I picked the DT power over my Vig power. I'm Two-Face and I picked DT because I suck this game + we probably already got a shitload of vigs. If CC would have turned out red or catwoman I would have picked the vig instead. You may ask yourself "wtf is this guy doing? He just claimed two-face, catwoman will simply kill him if it's true, therefore it got to be a fakeclaim". Fear not because I am immortal. Not literally but pretty much. I won't tell why but I asked BC and he told me Catwoman can't penetrate my awesome powers and she can't kill me right now. Obviously I won't tell you what makes me immortal because that would make it WAAAAY easier for her. I don't need protection because as mentioned, I'm pretty much immortal. Now we got 2 claimed DTs while one is unkillable. Sounds pretty awesome given Mafia only has one Roleblocker. I don't know if the other DT Claim is a true one or a mafia fakeclaim but if it's true mafia has to kill him and RB me. Or mafia isn't believing a word I say because hell, who would give town an unkillable DT, right? :p Aaargh, whats up with these claims. I guess you can't be immortal forever though, so you pretty much signed your own deathcertificate here. At least you had the courtesy to claim by name. This is obvious though, but you need to post your checks after each night now. | ||
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Let me see if I got this correct... 1. We got a bunch of claimers: + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2012 04:12 Bill Murray wrote: I also dont see why radfield/doch/kita should get protection if they are not a valuable power role ignore radfield, other than this list: Bill Murray - medic Kurumi - vig Jackal - vig Toad - DT Schworz - DT Palmar - ? what did palmar claim, I'm not there yet 2. We got Toad and Palmar both claiming to be Two-Face together. And claiming they are indestructable. 3. There is a QT mason created by BC were Jackal were given the right to invite players into. + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2012 04:02 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 03:40 ico wrote: Why should anyone listen to you Radfield? You and BM are the only ones talking about that mysterious other forum (unless I missed someone). For all I know that is the scumqt and you guys make things up trying to take control. This was listed as a Normal game with simply refluffed roles. And now people are claiming all kind of bs. Please, tell me I am wrong. Since over half the people in this game and perhaps as many as 2/3s are aware of the "other" forum as you put it and since BM felt compelled to tell the entire game about it allow me to verify that the other forum does indeed exist. It's a QT created by BC. In that QT there are 13 players other than myself. They are there because I invited them. Not everybody that has received an invite has posted in it. Most have. But not all. There is no significant activity level difference between those that avail themselves of it and their activity in the game thread. There is no discussion going on in it that has not occurred here. The level of profanity may be a bit higher. The level of insults may be a tad greater as well. I haven't tried to quantify it. I had to send out invites prior to the end of day 1. I would have preferred to wait til the end of night 1 but that's not my call. 11 of the people I chose are all people I have played a multitude of times with. They are also for the most part all people that I hold in high regard for their ability to play this game. I chose 2 others at random towards the end of the day. If you did not get an invite don't take it personally. I reworked my list several times in order to get what I saw as a group of people that could eventually all work towards a common goal. I am well aware that this cannot happen on day one. For rest assured there is without any doubt members of the scum team in there. However this circle remains active even in the event of my death. So I chose who I felt would eventually give town the greatest chance of winning. 1 Bill Murray 2 Hiro Protagonist 3 Doctor Helvetica 4 Risk.nuke 5 Opz 6 Kitaman27 7 forumite 8 Radfield 9 Palmar 10 Chaoser 11 Wherebugsgo 12 Tyran 13 evantrees Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer. 4. And now the last turn of events is that Palamar is claiming that he haven't heard about the QT? Is this right or am I missunderstanding something here? | ||
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If both Toad and Palmar are as they claim Two-Face together, could it be that one is town and the other is scum? | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:14 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 05:06 Tunkeg wrote: Now a question for the entire town: If both Toad and Palmar are as they claim Two-Face together, could it be that one is town and the other is scum? You're an idiot. That's impossible. You are an asshole. But tell me why it is impossible then mr scum! | ||
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On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host). All right, so there is no way for somebody to be masoned and still not know about eachothers alignment? And this is an actual question because I don't know. | ||
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On February 09 2012 16:24 Adam4167 wrote: If he was an insane DT, I think that might have come up by now. So we're left with him being an 'alignment cop' with a correct read on you, or hes just lying and trying to drag you down as he dies. There is a third choice and that is that DrH is an Insane inmate. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:49 Tunkeg wrote: Well, then it is easy, then one of you are lieing, okidoki. Carry on then. Or maybe it is possible to be blue and an insane inmate? | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:53 Toadesstern wrote: he claimed nothing and won't claim. now. stop fishing. He said he was blue, thats a claim. Halfass claims sucks. You also say: On February 09 2012 17:53 Toadesstern wrote: btw here's what DocH posted earlier when I claimed Two-Face: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 19:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ok, good. I'm not sure you should have claimed this early though. You could have drawn mafia bullets into you if you were immortal by claiming a different role or not admitting that you are invincible and now you might get RB'd all game and just be useless. What are you going for, town cred? I do believe you though, your power seems plausible from what I know. It seems like everybody has a second aspect to their role that is hidden. He KNOWS, that some powers have a second aspect to it, therefore he believes my claim. I still think he just understood what I was doing from the very beginning because I lied as little as possible and got a shitload of breadcrumbs in my fakeclaim to make sure the guy who knows my role is knowing what I'm doing. Apparently that guy is DocH. Well, scum might have gotten a couple or all roles description, so him knowing might as well mean he is scum. Or it could mean absolutely nothing, just a lucky guess from him. | ||
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On February 09 2012 17:54 Toadesstern wrote: stop giving Schworz excuses. I want him to get his ass in this thread and explain what the fuck is going on and why he is lying to us. I am not giving anyone any excuses. Best case scenario one is lying and one of them is either scum or third party and will be offed. Worst case scenario both are telling the truth causing us to do two misslynch. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Revealing the category of my power role would put me and the town at a disadvantage so I won't do it. Like I said, if it's necessary to avoid getting lynched then that's fine. Otherwise it's best for medics to protect me, which will keep both myself and Toades alive indefinitely. I was going to make my case on both you and Radfield today, but I'd like to wait for rG to explain himself a little. If he doesn't claim insanity then either he is scum or BC is a bastard mod. I'm willing to take my chances on the former. It's a crazy situation but that doesn't matter, an outright lie like that is about the scummiest thing you can do. Considering the mafias hit on me failed they might just want me lynched. Feel free to write a case on me. I am not getting lynched today, thats 100 % certain. Hiro have also promised a case on me. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 17:59 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 17:54 Toadesstern wrote: stop giving Schworz excuses. I want him to get his ass in this thread and explain what the fuck is going on and why he is lying to us. I am not giving anyone any excuses. Best case scenario one is lying and one of them is either scum or third party and will be offed. Worst case scenario both are telling the truth causing us to do two misslynch. Please explain to me how that would work? It's impossible that both me and rG are telling the truth unless he is insane. I ask BC "Is there any possibility that our role PMs are not completely true? Can somebody get a result other than "ROLE" by DT checking me?" and he says No. I ask BC "Are there roles roles that have a mechanic that is not known to the player possessing that role?" and he says that is not the case. Meaning if rGTheSchworz has any chances of getting an unreliable check, he would know about it. So all that's left to figure out is if rG is insane or BC is withholding some other information from me. If he is sane then one of us is a liar. Insane inmates You are a insane beyond belief. As such you killed a tyger security guard and decided to wear his clothes. Basically, any Detective checks on you will mark you as a Tyger Security Guard . As you are now donned in the security guards uniform, you subject other inmates to the same punishments the guards gave to you. You win with the inmates even though you hate them. You also don't realize just how insane you are and as such think you are a regular inmate. That is why. Is there anything that says that you can't be Blue (as you claim) and insane inmate at the same time? | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:22 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:14 Tunkeg wrote: Feel free to write a case on me. I am not getting lynched today, thats 100 % certain. Hiro have also promised a case on me. What makes you 100% certain of this? Many reasons. I will not explain. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:24 Toadesstern wrote: vote Schworz, force him to explain the shit he is doing. There is no other possibility than one of those 2 lying. Not a single one. Also remember that EVERYONE was telling Schworz his move yesterday was retarded. I was trying to catch some bullets and maybe make catwoman DT me instead. There was not a single reason why he should have claimed as Two-face. Just imagine you're a blue role that's only once in this game and about 8 players in this game (mafia + Catwoman) need to kill you outright. You think the real Two-face would step in and Counterclaim? Hell no he'd be sitting in his chair, laughing being happy and shutting the fuck up. So what he did was retarded if he really is Two-Face. What if it was not retarded? What if he is Catwoman and was calling bullshit on the duel-claim Palmar did? What if he was trying to get the liar to figure out which of actually is Two-Face and didn't think both of us are lying? Remember that everyone told him that his first claim (DT) was bullshit as well because now Catwoman would simply shoot him in the dark? Yes it wasn't the brightest move either. However, as Catwoman it makes perfect sense because he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman if he's that role himself. Unless Schworz stepps in this thread and gives the best explanation ever this guy has to die right now. I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:28 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:24 Toadesstern wrote: vote Schworz, force him to explain the shit he is doing. There is no other possibility than one of those 2 lying. Not a single one. Also remember that EVERYONE was telling Schworz his move yesterday was retarded. I was trying to catch some bullets and maybe make catwoman DT me instead. There was not a single reason why he should have claimed as Two-face. Just imagine you're a blue role that's only once in this game and about 8 players in this game (mafia + Catwoman) need to kill you outright. You think the real Two-face would step in and Counterclaim? Hell no he'd be sitting in his chair, laughing being happy and shutting the fuck up. So what he did was retarded if he really is Two-Face. What if it was not retarded? What if he is Catwoman and was calling bullshit on the duel-claim Palmar did? What if he was trying to get the liar to figure out which of actually is Two-Face and didn't think both of us are lying? Remember that everyone told him that his first claim (DT) was bullshit as well because now Catwoman would simply shoot him in the dark? Yes it wasn't the brightest move either. However, as Catwoman it makes perfect sense because he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman if he's that role himself. Unless Schworz stepps in this thread and gives the best explanation ever this guy has to die right now. I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you. This being said, I also want to hear more from him. If it is true as DrH says, that you can't be blue and insane inmate at the same time, and rgTS isn't insane cop then at least one of them certantly aren't town. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:30 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:28 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 18:24 Toadesstern wrote: vote Schworz, force him to explain the shit he is doing. There is no other possibility than one of those 2 lying. Not a single one. Also remember that EVERYONE was telling Schworz his move yesterday was retarded. I was trying to catch some bullets and maybe make catwoman DT me instead. There was not a single reason why he should have claimed as Two-face. Just imagine you're a blue role that's only once in this game and about 8 players in this game (mafia + Catwoman) need to kill you outright. You think the real Two-face would step in and Counterclaim? Hell no he'd be sitting in his chair, laughing being happy and shutting the fuck up. So what he did was retarded if he really is Two-Face. What if it was not retarded? What if he is Catwoman and was calling bullshit on the duel-claim Palmar did? What if he was trying to get the liar to figure out which of actually is Two-Face and didn't think both of us are lying? Remember that everyone told him that his first claim (DT) was bullshit as well because now Catwoman would simply shoot him in the dark? Yes it wasn't the brightest move either. However, as Catwoman it makes perfect sense because he's not afraid to be shot by Catwoman if he's that role himself. Unless Schworz stepps in this thread and gives the best explanation ever this guy has to die right now. I find it very amusing that you of all want rgTS to come in and explain himself, knowing that was him that pushed you off your Two-Face claim. You are as of now the only confirmed liar in this thread, maybe we should just lynch you. nah Palmar is a liar as well and I don't know what he's up to. And I barly lied. Pretty much everything I said was true. Yeah, you are right, Palmar to. His lie is in fact even more concerning. But your play have been equally confusing as his. A lie is a lie even if it is barely a lie though. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:08 Adam4167 wrote: I also spotted another Blueslip out of DrH earlier: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He's not really in danger though so even if he was scum I don't see why he'd lie. There is a rule against saying the hidden part of your role directly until after it is resolved so he might not be allowed to tell anything beyond "I'm a DT". BC says it's fine to make up fake powers though. Unless he heard it in the phone-booth of manloving. I am far more suspicious of rGtheSchworz at this point, as every description in the OP that includes a DT or being DT'd seems to heavily indicate that it will be a role-reveal, not alignment reveal. Answers will come in 6 hours, otherwise, start taking his neck measurements. If scum got a few of these roledescription of the blues he would know to. Hell, scum themself probably got some hidden part of their role, and he could have picked it up there. So it could be a blueslip, a scumslip, a third party slip or a vanilla townie invited to the QT slip. | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote: what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: What shit? Did you not claim to be Two-Face and lie about being masoned with Toadesstern? I do not recall anything like that. WTH is this! I can't wait to see your roledescription in this game. It have to be a juicy one, or you are just trolling us harder then Dovregubben himself! | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote: On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why do you think DrH is blue? See the above. Toades also pointed out the specific post in which I was able to confirm my named role to him. I know who Toadesstern is and vice-versa. I will reveal my named role only if it is necessary to save myself but I will not elaborate on who toadesstern is or what my hidden power is. @Palmer Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host). Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote: I'm bored, but I need to sleep. I changed my two face kill back to risk.nuke, he needs to die hardcore. Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 06:11 Palmar wrote: Remember, we get to invite two people to our mason circle tomorrow. etc I somehow think you are claiming to much interactions with BC. Why the hell would BC confirm stuff like this? It would just defeat the purpose of having a semi-open set up. | ||
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On February 09 2012 19:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If there is still serious doubt later in the day cycle I will claim my name. It is a minor disadvantage to town because it gives the mafia some information I'd rather they not have but if this continues to be a major distraction then it's for the best. The language I used was specific enough I think that I couldn't have picked it up off of Toades' own breadcrumbs. I thought you made up the immortality power actually as well as the Two-Face claim, it was the fact that you were still claiming to be immortal that made me realize who you were. So this is not some unclever scumplan having you and Toad shitting all over this thread trying to confusing us with stuff the we have no chance in verifying and little reason to belive in? | ||
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On February 09 2012 18:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:39 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 18:08 Adam4167 wrote: I also spotted another Blueslip out of DrH earlier: On February 09 2012 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: He's not really in danger though so even if he was scum I don't see why he'd lie. There is a rule against saying the hidden part of your role directly until after it is resolved so he might not be allowed to tell anything beyond "I'm a DT". BC says it's fine to make up fake powers though. Unless he heard it in the phone-booth of manloving. I am far more suspicious of rGtheSchworz at this point, as every description in the OP that includes a DT or being DT'd seems to heavily indicate that it will be a role-reveal, not alignment reveal. Answers will come in 6 hours, otherwise, start taking his neck measurements. If scum got a few of these roledescription of the blues he would know to. Hell, scum themself probably got some hidden part of their role, and he could have picked it up there. So it could be a blueslip, a scumslip, a third party slip or a vanilla townie invited to the QT slip. wtf LOGIC? gtfo noob you're not supposed to use logic in here I have been using logic from day 1, the Joker Claim. Thanks for noticing, I now have a crush on you <3<3<3<3<3 My trolling have not been up to par, I will admit this, and I apologize for it with this: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote: On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote: On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote: On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote: On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote: My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote: [quote] Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG? BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want? He want to hang him for it, and you to. I agree... | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 20:30 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote: On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote: On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote: On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote: [quote] No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. [quote] Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. [quote] Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want? He want to hang him for it, and you to. I agree... For making a suboptimal play? Would you be happy if I just nameclaimed? Him for playing a really really confusing game, which I can only belive to be non-townie. And you for getting DT checked comming out red, and after that filling this post up with alot of confusing stuff. You are the one who said either you or rgTS is lying. I belive it to be you, am I wrong, then we would by your logic kill him. | ||
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On February 09 2012 20:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 20:37 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 09 2012 20:30 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote: On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote: On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want? He want to hang him for it, and you to. I agree... For making a suboptimal play? Would you be happy if I just nameclaimed? Him for playing a really really confusing game, which I can only belive to be non-townie. And you for getting DT checked comming out red, and after that filling this post up with alot of confusing stuff. You are the one who said either you or rgTS is lying. I belive it to be you, am I wrong, then we would by your logic kill him. Not quite correct. There is still a possibility that rg is insane or has unreliable checks. Yes, this I have allready advocated earlier. But you said that unless BC is lying to you this isn't true... | ||
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The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either: A) Save himself (best scenario for himself) B) Draw out another blue before he dies. To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this. | ||
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On February 09 2012 21:05 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 21:02 Tunkeg wrote: Yes, wait with your claim. And for the veterans in this games (or whoever it is that consider themself the top of the pops in here). If DrH claims by name, and he claims a role someone else allready have. Should there be counterclaim? The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either: A) Save himself (best scenario for himself) B) Draw out another blue before he dies. To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this. I'll tell you after his claim. If it's the right name yes we need a counterclaim asap if there's one. If it's a wrong claim I don't want a counterclaim. Not to offend you, but I was hoping someone with more authority would answer. I think your answer here is the worst answer to the question, giving a counterclaimer potentially very little time to decide what is the right thing to do. If DrH claims a name someone else have they know he is scum/third party. My take on it is that if DrH is doing this and he aren't going to the gallows the one actually having the role should counterclaim and see to it that it happends. But I do see the downside to this, another blue getting drawn out. Thats why I want the town to reach a consensus about this, so that we can avoid more suboptimal townplay. | ||
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On February 09 2012 21:26 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 21:22 Tunkeg wrote: On February 09 2012 21:05 Toadesstern wrote: On February 09 2012 21:02 Tunkeg wrote: Yes, wait with your claim. And for the veterans in this games (or whoever it is that consider themself the top of the pops in here). If DrH claims by name, and he claims a role someone else allready have. Should there be counterclaim? The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either: A) Save himself (best scenario for himself) B) Draw out another blue before he dies. To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this. I'll tell you after his claim. If it's the right name yes we need a counterclaim asap if there's one. If it's a wrong claim I don't want a counterclaim. Not to offend you, but I was hoping someone with more authority would answer. I think your answer here is the worst answer to the question, giving a counterclaimer potentially very little time to decide what is the right thing to do. If DrH claims a name someone else have they know he is scum/third party. My take on it is that if DrH is doing this and he aren't going to the gallows the one actually having the role should counterclaim and see to it that it happends. But I do see the downside to this, another blue getting drawn out. Thats why I want the town to reach a consensus about this, so that we can avoid more suboptimal townplay. if he's telling me a wrong name I might want to lynch him outright, so no need to get another blue in the open and get himself killed because he's counterclaiming. If he's picking the right name we need a counterclaim if there's one available and it's not a bad move to make for that role. OK, thank you for clearing that up. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:08 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 23:56 Palmar wrote: On February 09 2012 23:55 Forumite wrote: So confused, we have two strong reads on 3rd Party, why don´t we take them out now and be done with it? There are Town vigilantes who can shoot scum in the night, but won´t have an effect on Batman or Catwoman. The logical thing would be to lynch Radfield now, and shoot Sheth. For now: ##Unvote DoctorHelvetica I already explained that town vigis can be blocked, and the mafia can protect sheth. So? Doublestack, counting everyone who claimed they got hit yesterday, there should be lots of vigis. Scum has a medic and a veteran, so unless Sheth is Rashagul (or something), he´ll die if two vigis shoot him. If you are so confident in your read on Radfield, then we should kill him instead. If Radfield is indeed Batman we should do no such thing as killing him. If Palmar for once is telling us the truth and in fact is Joker, he will be dead soon anyways, and we have a Batman that is completely on our side. Who would post his DT checks every day for town cred. If Palmer is telling the truth we just got ourself a huge advantage as town! | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:18 Toadesstern wrote: Batman has no reason to shoot palmar tonight. Palmar claimed joker that got Kills. Batman has no problem at all leaving a joker alive that is activly hunting and shooting at hugo himself. That's the best thing that could happen to batman and once hugo died he'll just use a single night action to kill Palmar. Easy win for Batman. It most certantly is not! Maybe leaving Joker alive for a while. But he should not shoot at scum, he should now DT and claim his checks every day. To help town eliminate scum. And if he at anytime feel like town might win he can take out Joker. But Batman should play protown as soon as he knows who Joker is (maybe he need to check him himself tongiht?). But I see no harm in Batman just shoting Joker straight up, then we know he is on our side, and he can claim his checks every day without fearing that town might do a crazy hit night and win by lynching last scum during the day before he have offed Joker. | ||
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On February 10 2012 00:22 Jayjay54 wrote: A lot of drama going on here. Here are my thougths: Toad / Doc: You guys sure love to talk a lot. It’s stupid. I know the codeword, I know who you are Toad. And I am sure that if I can deduct it, others can to. Can’t believe you let yourself fish like that. Please stop talking about it. That being said, you guys are 96% certified town right now to me, as it all checks out perfectly. Sorry for accusing you earlier doc <3 Which leaves: rgTheWurz: Man you are a hell of a liar. I don’t think there’s another miller out there. What the fuck? I would lynch him. But this play makes no sense from a scum perspective either. ________________________________________________________ Palmar: You think that rad is batman because he claimed to be shot. But you say yourself that you can’t kill vets. Maybe he is scum as al guhl. Possible? Radfield: I for now choose think that you are a real DT. There was a case on Sheth earlier. So I guess town is fine lynching him. If you falseclaimed, you’re done to me. ##vote: Liquid` Sheth After the game ends please give me the codeword, I am seriously getting pissed off by searching for it. KTHXBYE! | ||
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On February 10 2012 01:30 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 10 2012 01:28 rgTheSchworz wrote: we're lynching a blue powerrole with Schworz tomorrow. And why you want to lynch a blue? You're supposed to lynch scum goddamnit we're lynching a blue powerrole if there's another clayface out there and that guy is not willing to counterclaim. If there's noone else being clayface than you're not a blue powerrole. @ tunkeg: I looked as well and wasn't able to find it either lol. I want to know that as well I have no idea what he's talking about. Either that or you are just mocking my stupidity ^^ I can't wait for this game to end, so I can understand what the fuck really went down. THAT will certantly be intersting. And now for something completely different: DrH: I now belive you as his claim haven't been contested. Toad: I am so very confused by him I don't know what to belive. rgTS: Is he DT, is he scum, is he third party. Well, hard to know. I wanted a lynch into this group today (earlier). Maybe all of them is lying, maybe no one (some sanity on rgTS, or some strange thing that Clayface appear to be something else when checked). Earlier I wanted a lynch on DrH, now I don't Radfield: Claimed to be DT, and that he checked Sheth. I don't know what to believe here. Palmar: Claims now that he is Joker. He have done so many strange things that I could never be sure on him either. Sheth: Haven't shown his face in here since he somehow escaped day 1 lynch. He is at best not contributing. So I will vote Sheth, then we might know more about Radfields claim as well. #Vote Liquid`Sheth | ||
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Hiro - you promissed a case on me first thing today. You should bring it. At least then you would have something in your filter. This song is for you: + Show Spoiler + Adam- you have been very silent this game my ozzy friend. You got the skills to be a major factor in this game, unless you are scum that is. Now do as the star in this classic and come when I whistle for you: + Show Spoiler + OpZ - You have only posted alot of jibbar jabber all game long, and you probably think no one gets you. Well I get you, I'll have your back. Just cry it out. Now please start posting anything other then all this fishy stuff you've been posting. This gitar-solo should snap you out of your dreamworld: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 10 2012 08:43 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 10 2012 07:46 Tunkeg wrote: Adam- you have been very silent this game my ozzy friend. You got the skills to be a major factor in this game, unless you are scum that is. Now do as the star in this classic and come when I whistle for you: + Show Spoiler + You know calling an Australian 'skippy' is derogatory, right.. I read the thread from 7:30KST - ~23:00KST every day. I am actively lurking this game because it feels like there's enough bullshit going on without me putting my 2 cents in every page. Also I'm slightly disenfranchised with this game, since we started playing the 'claim' game, a majority of the behavioral analysis has come out of the equation. With all the claims and nonsense going on, the logical course of action from here is to hang sheth, then rG. For what its worth, I know exactly what role Toad is, what his special power was and why it was that way. Hence why I'm far more inclined to believe him and DocH, unless a counterclaim was to come forward. ##Vote Sheth No, I didn't know that. I know now though, I apologize. Was just trying to troll around abit while calling you guys out. | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:11 Tunkeg wrote: Some of you guys need to shut up allready. And especially you JayJay, are you scum or just really stupid? Fishing for blues and outing blues like you do. Some breadcrumbs are obviously meant for just some people to understand, and if by some chance others catch on to it they should keep their fucking mouths shut. Those who have breadcrumbed will come forth with them eventually, no need for people to be clever and explaining breadcrumbs to everyone... | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:24 Jayjay54 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2012 22:11 Tunkeg wrote: Some of you guys need to shut up allready. And especially you JayJay, are you scum or just really stupid? Fishing for blues and outing blues like you do. eeeexcuse me? If you look through my filter you'll find like 5 posts telling toad and docH to shutthe hell up talking. You'll also find some posts where I deflect other bluehunting (layabout) by saying that this is bound to be kept secret. I just cleared everything up (e.g. why I know that this is legit) when the Doc posted that toad is joker. And I 100% agree that the joker claim is unnecessary as fuck. If you don't follow the thread, don't call others stupid. I follow the thread, and I see you constantly talking about blues, and breadcrumbs, just cut it the fuck out. PLEAAASE? It is so fucking anti-town that it is beyond me. What good is it to speculate about this? This will be the last I say about this, if you don't get it, fine. | ||
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On February 11 2012 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote: Actually, those same questions to layabout, Toad, and Tunkeg as well. I wanna see what y'all got. Who's the best fake sandro? On February 11 2012 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Hmmm Adam: You wanna role-play? You be my sandro and I'll be your WBG. Tell me what you think of Kurumi, Radfield, RG, Palmar, and VE. What I'm not understanding is why the Sheth lynch has no opposition. Is it your opinion that Sheth is scum and getting bussed, or do you think he's just bad and no one wants to associate themselves with him? What do you think about the timing of Radfield's hit claim with Palmar's shot claim? At this point, if you could not lynch Sheth who would you lynch? Kurami Kurami's posting leads me to think that he is either Catwoman or scum. But I think it is most likely Catwoman. His posts on rgTS being vet or PoisonIvy makes me belive he hit rgTS this night. Who would hit rgTS (claimed TwoFace) ---> CW. He have also fished for Penguin in his posts. He have lots of oneliners in his filters. I have also read something in his filter, that I will for now keep to myself. Something I think will reveal him later if he do a certain action. Radfield Radfield's filter isn't all that big. I just skimmed through it now. I belive his DT Sheth claim should make him pretty townie, and won't look more into him rgTheSchworz He have lied and claimed and retracted his claim, and given us a DT read on DrH that he later retracted. He is full of shit. But I am not sure if he is full of shit as scum. Or if he is full of shit as town (with a reason behind it). His play is very confusing though. Palmar He have played the most confusing game I have ever seen here. I thought BM was confusing, well Palmar is the king of confusion it looks like. He have claimed and retracted numerous times. He also claims he have never claimed and never lied, which only confuse me even more. Is Palmar scum, third party, normal town or town powerrole? Hard to say at this point. This alone worries me though, and I wouldn't mind if someone put a bullet in him tonight. VisceraEyes He have been on Sheths case forever. And I don't think scum would bus this early (somewhat because of the tips you gave regarding my bus theory post game in Student Mafia, where you said that you wouldn't consider bussing from the get go a good scum strategy). There you have my view on these 5. Haven't been able to dive in deep on anyone of them though, so there might be stuff I missinterpret or have just overlooked. | ||
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On February 11 2012 22:42 Jayjay54 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2012 22:32 Tunkeg wrote: On February 11 2012 22:24 Jayjay54 wrote: On February 11 2012 22:11 Tunkeg wrote: Some of you guys need to shut up allready. And especially you JayJay, are you scum or just really stupid? Fishing for blues and outing blues like you do. eeeexcuse me? If you look through my filter you'll find like 5 posts telling toad and docH to shutthe hell up talking. You'll also find some posts where I deflect other bluehunting (layabout) by saying that this is bound to be kept secret. I just cleared everything up (e.g. why I know that this is legit) when the Doc posted that toad is joker. And I 100% agree that the joker claim is unnecessary as fuck. If you don't follow the thread, don't call others stupid. I follow the thread, and I see you constantly talking about blues, and breadcrumbs, just cut it the fuck out. PLEAAASE? It is so fucking anti-town that it is beyond me. What good is it to speculate about this? This will be the last I say about this, if you don't get it, fine. I don't want to get mad here. And this is also my last post on this topic: Things I did: a) confirm that Doc is blue and not red to make sure everyone gets that rGs dt check is wrong (which it was) b) saying multiple times that they talk to much and stop hinting who toad really is. c) shutting down any questions about the true identites. Things I did not: a) Breadcrumbing. Please show me a post where I hint anything, please. b) Bluefishing. It makes zeeeero sense to bluefish when I already knew the role. Which I did. So if I was scum, they'd knew anyways. My play wasn't anti town whatsoever, I didn't bluefish and I vertainly didn't give away any blue information which weren' on the table already. Why don't you call out Toad and Doc for talking, why me? You looking for a target to bite into? Most players already knew who Toad was after they mentioned a "codeword" and the post which had the codeword anyways. It is not my fault that you didn't notice. Jayjay out. I won't show you what I mean, because that will just focus more on what you did, and if you are indeed town there is a chance scum haven't picked up on it. Lets just agree to not talk about peoples breadcrumbs and I will happily just ignore you. | ||
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On February 11 2012 23:12 Kurumi wrote: Opz, have You found Penguin yet? Wouldn't you like to know, seing that you are Catwomen. | ||
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Reason 1: Votes He was one of the ones who hammered through the CC lynch. He voted him late and for apparantly no good reason. Only BM and WBG were later voting for him than. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309352¤tpage=4#73 He was also the last person voting for Sheth, and it seems like a vote to save face: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309352¤tpage=6#120 His reasons for voting have been non-existent, these are his 3 "vote" posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2012 12:02 evantrees wrote: Bah good enough. ##Vote Cyber_Cheese Proper voting format is ##vote name BC do you care if there are : in there? On February 09 2012 18:52 evantrees wrote: 48 hour day cycle, Day ends at 11pm est Thursday. huh, Isn't it thursday morning now? Tunkeg brought up something that bugs me. I ask BC "Are there roles roles that have a mechanic that is not known to the player possessing that role?" and he says that is not the case. So what about millers? I really like the idea behind jackals role. I have no problem voting for someone based on getting utter nonsense from them. Lets hear something Schworz, until them. ##Vote rgTheSchworz Also Palmer and Radfield are still alive interesting. ninja'd+ Show Spoiler + On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: What shit? Did you not claim to be Two-Face and lie about being masoned with Toadesstern? I do not recall anything like that. On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote: I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that. He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante) So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim. On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host). On February 11 2012 10:24 evantrees wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2012 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Also why is BM not spamming the thread? Palmer is doing the job for him. I am hoping he flips scum so might as well clean up the vote tally list a bit. ##unvote rgtheschworz ##Vote Liquid'Sheth Reason 2: Filter of nothingness His filter have no hard stands on anything. Basicly just fluff and one post where he says chaoser is scum, without any reasoning. Nothing that will give him any attention, nothing that will hold him accountable for anything: On February 10 2012 08:38 evantrees wrote: Kurumi I like you for some damned reason. Show nested quote + On February 10 2012 08:21 Liquid`Sheth wrote: On February 10 2012 08:10 Kurumi wrote: Also Viscera, WBG is voting me because I accussed him of being scum day 1 and actually was right, but Sheth made puppy eyes and I doubted my ability to play this game. Fuck puppy eyes Can't wait for my flip. I can't even argue my way out of this because of the sheer mass of people just saying kill me. I'm collecting what reads I have and will submit them right before I die. Unless BC randomly cut the day length in half I'm pretty sure you have more than 24 hours still, why wait to post them, to make sure they are non missed just repost them all before the lynch. Which players do you think are hurting town the most? Too much spam! Which players do you think are pushing a scum agenda? chaoser, he was anyways. Which players do you think are scum? chaoser In this crazy game of spam and mad claims and speculations I find posters like Evantrees the most scummy. Vote ##Evantrees | ||
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On February 13 2012 17:31 Palmar wrote: ok let's do this: I'm a Detective. My role name is Calendar Man I checked Radfield last night, he's: Talia al Ghul Radfield. Time to claim which DT you are... I propose that we kill either Radfield or Palmar today, and if we: a) kill Radfield and he isn't Talia (or someone who have an ability to appear as Talia) then we kill Palmar. b) kill Palmar, and if he in fact flips Calandar Man, or more likely Batman, then we kill Radfield. | ||
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On February 13 2012 10:36 Katina wrote: Hey, I'm still without internet for the time being since I just moved. Hopefully it won't be for long but I can check the thread at least once a day minimum. On to important matters: I'm still suspicious of Toad. He gets away with causing a shit storm in the thread with all his claiming and barely anyone bats an eye. And he continues to post big walls of text. I can't even think of something beneficial he's done for the town. I believe Palmar was saying that we should kill Toad and I have no idea why he wants to sheep along with whatever Kurumi says when he's been adamant about killing Toad. I would also like to bring more attention to Tunkeg, as after rereading his filter I'm confident he is mafia. What's particularly interesting is that he comes in today with an accusation against evantrees. This is the first time he has ever mentioned evantrees (check his filter), and I cannot help but feel like he just chose evantrees as his target to blend in (this is after Radfield called evantrees out today). The inconsistency with his posting is becoming more noticeable, and it feels like he just does not care about the town. evantrees has been picking up a few votes on a whim recently, and that makes me wary about lynching him at the moment, though I admit his filter is pretty sad. ##Vote: Tunkeg Assuming that BM and layabout are telling the truth, BM should be slapped in the face for not protecting someone more important. And by slapped in the face I mean we should ban him from posting for a day so I won't have to gauge my eyes out every time I see his name. And since nobody's seemed to notice, Forumite has yet to make a post in a long while that actively displays his opinion. Why you no like me? You've been on my case from day 1, and have yet to post something convincing. You have to do better than that if you want to get me lynched. Do you think I was born today? In fact I think you just like me, you are like a secret admirer poking at me to get my attention. But you know what. I haven't been christened yet, and therefor I am not going to marry you. So get off my back before I take ill. So just chill, I suspected that you like me from day one, but not before it grew worse I knew it. So back off before my love for you have died or you might find yourself burried in sorrow. That was the end! | ||
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On February 13 2012 21:40 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2012 21:12 Palmar wrote: Not that I actually care, but if you want to improve at mafia, you should think harder about this. What reason do I have to listen to you right now? You've made yet another claim, which does not line up with all of the previous powers and night actions you've claimed, you're going to tell me you never claimed anything, I'm going to roll my eyes and not bother replying. See how much time I just saved us? I think everyone knows why he does this. He is Batman, end of story. Why? Because he can't be town behaving like this, unless he just hates us all and want to troll us. Because he would be the most obvious scum ever behaving like he do, therefor I cannot see any thinking human being playing like this if they are scum. But then again he might just level the shit out of me. | ||
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On February 13 2012 21:53 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2012 21:40 Adam4167 wrote: On February 13 2012 21:12 Palmar wrote: Not that I actually care, but if you want to improve at mafia, you should think harder about this. What reason do I have to listen to you right now? You've made yet another claim, which does not line up with all of the previous powers and night actions you've claimed, you're going to tell me you never claimed anything, I'm going to roll my eyes and not bother replying. See how much time I just saved us? I think everyone knows why he does this. He is Batman, end of story. Why? Because he can't be town behaving like this, unless he just hates us all and want to troll us. Because he would be the most obvious scum ever behaving like he do, therefor I cannot see any thinking human being playing like this if they are scum. But then again he might just level the shit out of me. EBWOP: Because he can't be town behaving like this, unless he just hates us all and want to troll us TO DEATH! | ||
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On February 13 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote: Why are we lynching eventress? Lynch one of these guys jayjay forumite radfield tunkeg Another one who don't like me. Makes me a sad panda. On one side you have guys like Palmar, Kurumi and WBG (when he were alive) cuddling me and telling everyone that I use logic, that I should get medic protection and that I shouldn't be on any scum list. On the other side you have guys (and girls) like you, that want me lynched. Maybe becuase you are scum and see me as an easy lynch, or maybe because I am totally useless. So I am officially the village idiot (or am I just Keyser Söse?) | ||
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On February 13 2012 23:30 Palmar wrote: thank me later. You don't need thanks because you are the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now. So we'll hunt you because you can take it. Because you are not our hero. You're a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight. | ||
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Sheth as a DT read, very safe way to get towncred for bussing a teammate that were allready somewhat in trouble. It probably were Sheth himself that proposed it... WBG as a DT read after he died. "Proving" that he is a good DT checking the right players, and that he needs to be kept alive, while not having to tell someone a wrong read. Claiming Calender Man, same as Palmar, knowing he had to claim, and that only Azrael and Calander Man was unclaimed it was a easy choice. because everyone knows Palmar is Batman, and because there is no need for the real Calander Man to come forth and claim when it allready is a contested claim. ##Vote Radfield | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:17 jaybrundage wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2012 23:55 Palmar wrote: On February 13 2012 23:53 Forumite wrote: On February 13 2012 23:48 Toadesstern wrote: On February 13 2012 23:45 Forumite wrote: On February 13 2012 23:21 Toadesstern wrote: ok here's the deal. There's no way that all 4 of you guys: Palmar, Rad, Kita and forumite will flip red. Especially since wbg flipped red yesterday I highly doubt that. More like 1 of those 1 red (which is already a lot with wbg since everyone says he's so good as mafia), 1 or 2 end up being third party and whatever is leftover is town. Ironically I don't want to lynch forumite anymore. <3 It´s possible that Palmar tells the truth about Radfield, and we are choosing between Scum and 3rd Party, but Radfields DT claim D2 would have been an odd gamble. I´m leaning towards lynching Palmar, and have someone check Radfield. I´m not sure how Radfield would flip and I´m almost certain Palmar is 3rd Party, and it feels like killing the possibly usefull Batman is preferable to mislynching a Town DT. Either way I think the lynch should be between Palmar or Radfield. it's 15v5. Mafia has 3KP. A mislynch is basicly a loss for town. What do you propose we do then? If I believe Palmar is Batman, then I can accept that Palmar gives a correct rolecheck on Radfield so that Town can go on killing scum. Wouldn´t that make Radfield a good target? I don't have rolechecks, I'm a vigilante. My role name is Riddler. I SHOT radfield night one. I couldn't shoot last night because I was roleblocked. Lol palmar biggest bullshitter in the history of bullshit. Palmar i remember you being trolly in Hammer Mini mafia But it was mostly at the start of the game. You got me loling man. Palmar answer me this. Should we lynch Radfield or leave him for a shot? Think about this. IF your (Palmar) is third party (batman) and you claim that Radfield is Talia (who batman cant kill) and if Catwomen (Kurumi) wants to help town and give us his shot. Then we just have Kurumi shoot Radfield. So we dont lose a lynch just in case hes blue. And if hes blue then we just lynch your ass Palmar :D Sound good? Why would Catwoman want to help town and lynch scum? | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:24 Forumite wrote: Anyone but me thinks Jay is scum from his last few posts? Me | ||
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On February 14 2012 00:59 layabout wrote: All of this crap is another reason that we should be killing Palmar. People who looked most suspicious from day 1 vote: At this moment in time evantrees is leading the vote. Tyrran stands a similar chance of flipping scum to evantrees. There are the candidates that are likeliest to flip scum, (but they could be town). It has been (sort of) agreed that rg's night action should shed some light on his own and on chaoser's alignment. BM has claimed medic and i would be willing to say that he is far likelier town than other candidates. Other People that it has been suggested we lynch: Kitaman27: stands an excelllent chance of flipping scum. I was waiting for him to come back and post but he doesn't seem to care. He does not wish to respond to my case in full as he promised he would do last night should he survive. My only resevation about killing Kitaman is that if Kurumi is, in fact Harley Quinn, then the case against Kitaman27 is weaker. Show nested quote + On February 12 2012 13:00 kitaman27 wrote: Layabout, I'll respond to some of your posts if I survive the night. liar. Jaybrundage: Is perhaps the epitome of "posts to look like he is contributing without actually contributing". He has been lurking heavily all game and he displays no pro-town motives. Forumite: Has yet to put effort into helping town find lynch targets. All his posts are about peripheral issues and he has not made himself useful whatsoever. He has undermined town objectives all game long. Tunkeg: Likely town. But + Show Spoiler [Tunkeg do not open this spoiler] + I think he has an "unorthodox approach" to playing as town hiro protagonist: You could quite easily argue his alignment either way. He shows up every now and then. He calls most of Ico/Razerflash: I felt that ico looked green. I think razer looks a little red. My concern is that those who are placing suspicion on him are not doing it wholeheartedly. I felt that Kitaman27's early case was laughable. When i saw this quote: Show nested quote + On February 08 2012 03:47 ico wrote: Sheth: I really can't read his behaviour so far. It is scummy, but he isn't the only one posting pointless rabble. For now he got the benefit of the doubt. in kitaman's "in case i die post" i was suspicious. But when looked at in context (clicky) He says that he think's cyber cheese is a better candidate and votes for him. He may have been hedging which is scummy but i think that the quote by itself is misleading and makes ico appear scummier than he did. Who was misleading us? Kitaman, (+chaoser who has sheeped without sharing his reasons) JayJay: I may be somewhat biased when commenting on Jayjay because he has made various comments in which he has taken liberties with logic. I do not like JayJay's posts. He assumes things he shouldn't and if i had a gun i would have shot him night 1. He often talks about subjects that do not further town's goals. But he has made some posts that indicate he cares about town winning the game. And tha is more than can be said for far too many of you. So we shouldn't lynch him today/ The Radfield/ Palmar debacle: We have next to no reason to not beleive radfield at this point. We have every reason to not trust Palmar. If Radfield is telling the truth. Palmar is confirmed "not-town" (or possibly the "worst townie ever" + Show Spoiler + Could town really play worse than claiming 3/4 power roles and lying all the time?+ Show Spoiler + the answer is probably yes but Palmar is still playing really badly if he is town What if Rafield isn't calendar man? Radfield's actions do make some sense if he is scum, so if Palmar were to flip DT then Radfield would make an excellent lynch. What then if Radfield is scum ? Palmar will flip 3rd party and we will have lynched a player that intended to kill 1 or two town blues and that was heavily trashing up the thread. We will not have killed a townie. OR Palmar will flip as a VT that you should never play in a game with again, or a dt that you should never play in a game with again. If he flips one of the roles he has claimed then we could possibly use that information. If Palmar flips town (he will not) then we are in a better position to evaluate Radfield's alignment. But if Palmar was calendar man then will will know that radfield is "not town" OR radfield was bussing another teammate for town cred, which is fine. What if Rafield is 3rd Party? Palmar will flip 3rd party and we will have lynched a player that intended to kill 1 or two town blues and that was heavily trashing up the thread. We will not have killed a townie. OR Palmar will flip as a VT that you should never play in a game with again, or a dt that you should never play in a game with again. If he flips one of the roles he has claimed then we could possibly use that information. If Palmar flips town (he will not) then we are in a better position to evaluate Radfield's alignment. But if Palmar was calendar man then will will know that radfield is "not town" Palmar is almost certainly "not town" and killing him will have additional benefits - being able to actually focus on the lynch. OR Radfield has caught us another scum. Hi-fives all-around! Lynching Palmar could have a range of outcomes from, lynching a town DT and then lynching batman the next day( a monumentally improbable outcome). To lynching scum (a fairly likely outcome). Today and being in a great position tomorrow. Whatever happens lynching Palmar should greatly increase our ability to scumhunt and produce useful discussion. Palmar is almost certainly "not town". He has been having fun at YOUR expense. KILL PALMAR WITH FIRE! I do agree that we need to do a Radfield/Palmar double. Meaning we lynch one, and if the other one is turns out a certain way we need to lynch the other. BUT, I disagree with you on the order. I want to take out Radfield first, because I think Palmar finally are starting to make sense in this game. I can not see him being anything but third party, and a Batman third party is most likely. The joker is out there and is ready for the taking for Batman at anytime, therefor he should as I advocated in the beginning of the game be very pro-town. A pro-town super Palmar is never wrong. Palmars case on Radfield also makes sense. BTW your Tunkeg spoiler, haha, almost wet myself. Was expecting the worst, and I understand what you wanted to say (Tunkeg is the worst townie ever!), but I appreciate you wrapping it in, and saying what you did with gritted teeth instead ) | ||
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On February 14 2012 01:47 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 01:46 VisceraEyes wrote: He's not Batman. He's pretty much CLAIMED Batman which is against the rules and playing against the rules isn't something Palmar does. He's scum. Lynch it. he never claimed batman. He have claimed anything but Batman. Thats what makes me think he's Batman. I would say playing the way Palmar have done as either Scum or Town would be incredible bad. But then again if he levels me it would be incredible good as scum. /WIFOM | ||
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On February 14 2012 02:40 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 02:34 Jayjay54 wrote: On February 14 2012 02:31 Toadesstern wrote: On February 14 2012 02:28 Jayjay54 wrote: On February 14 2012 02:25 Toadesstern wrote: the only issue I have right now is, that both CW and the Bat are trying to help town right now. At least one of them has to kill 2 blue roles. Kurumi said several times that he wants me to beg for mercy and Kurumi shot wbg. I really thought it's the other way arround: Kurumi = Bat, Palmar = CW because of that. didn't palmar say that he couldn't kill rad, because he's talya? I thought the whole point is based on that. I am pretty certain he's batman. could be a lie and he dt'ed him. We can't lynch third-party and we need to lynch mafia. I'm just having 2nd thoughts right now :p you really want to do this, don't you? If we lynch scum you are even more dead , but that's a noble sacrifice. so who do you think? VEs recent posts were bad. he hasn't posted a lot the last couple of days (RL-days) and now out of nowhere all thoe fancy people come crowling out of nowhere. Also he's better than what did in his most recent posts. I thought he's town early on because he's not trolling at all, tried to play although he posted very little and it looked like he tried. VE is one of the guys who are quite infamous here and the last couple of games he tried to get rid of that reputation and really showed some good games. He was pretty vocal in all of them and tried to not tunnel. He's doing that right now and as mentioned he really isn't that bad. I think he's defending his scumbuddies which obviously would make hiro look green right now so I am confused again :p Hey Toad, don't do anything stupid, like shooting VE this night. There are plenty others who are better targets. | ||
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On February 14 2012 03:55 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 03:51 Kurumi wrote: On February 14 2012 03:49 hiro protagonist wrote: On February 14 2012 03:41 Kurumi wrote: On February 14 2012 03:39 hiro protagonist wrote: On February 14 2012 03:36 Kurumi wrote: On February 14 2012 03:34 hiro protagonist wrote: eh, your right layabout. Palmar is scum or 3rd party. Nothing about his claim makes sense, and he has claimed a lot this game, dispite the fact that when people call him out on it he tells them to stop lying. He also makes cases, only then not to push them very hard. He sheeps Kumari, thus leavening his guilt at voting for someone on him. Palmar trolls alot as both town and scum, but he cant help but be useful as town even when he is trolling. Somethings off, and the simplest explanation is that he is not town. Scum Palmar can do all of this shit and get away with it because he is a very good at arguing himself out of a lynch. I think he is scum. Palmar does not troll. He claimed everything. He coloured every player with corresponding colour to him, but he left himself with a rainbow. He called Radfield Talia based on him surviving a shot. He got rbed N2 instead of Radfield. Radfield is alive on D3 when he claimed DT D2. Ding-ding? All WIFOM. these statements do not deduce aliment. Actions do, and his actions have not been protown in my eyes. So Radfield is alive because of what? He did not get shot N2. He did not get roleblocked N2. Why he isn't dead? Why is he not dead? They thought someone would be protecting him? Why no roleblock? Dont no. But If Rad was scum he could have easily claimed roleblocked, or come in with a "check" on someone that died last night, as is what happened, but so can real DTs. WIFOM. These incidents dont make someone scum, there actions do. Double stack, do You think we've got stupid scum in this Player Roster? Is WIFOM and a DT check from someone that has not been playing there usual protown self your only reason for wanting Rad dead? I would say you wanting to have him alive also counts very in favor of lynching him... | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:04 Radfield wrote: You guys are following two basically confirmed third parties who want to lynch the one player who has delivered scum on a silver platter.... what am I missing here? I agree, both are pretty much confirmed 3rd party. If Palmar is Batman as many of thinks, then he knows who the Joker is, and can take him out any time he want to. So what interest would he have in missleading town? He basicly wins with town then. If I am wrong here and he is indeed fucking us over then he should die next day. My view on todays lynch is that either you or Palmar must die today. Only other viable option is if we have someone that SCREAMS scum, a lynch on a player that is very likely to flip scum. Yesterday I belived Evantrees to be very likely scum. But I cannot belive that both of you are scum, so either I was wrong about him, or I am wrong about you. Or even wrong about you both. Radfield do you see any other options besides lynching you and Palmar. Who should we lynch then, and why? If not, you say you belive Palmar to be 3rd party (Batman), what good will it do town to lynch Batman? | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:22 Radfield wrote: and anyone saying we should lynch me and then lynch Palmar when I flip DT is INCREDIBLY scummy. We either lynch Palmar today or not at all. It doesn't look like a Palmar lynch is happening today. So who do you propose we lynch instead then? | ||
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Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would jumped all over this if they were Radfield were town and they were scum. | ||
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On February 14 2012 05:59 Tunkeg wrote: Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch. Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would jumped all over this if they were Radfield were town and they were scum. EBWOP: Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch. Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would have jumped all over this if they were scum and Radfield were town. | ||
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On February 14 2012 15:41 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 09:39 RayzorFlash wrote: I have no doubt he is the riddler because nobody else would know who the riddler's targeted to play his game (me)... The only thing i may doubt in Kita's post is the specifics of his bullets, but he has no reason to lie about those so, i believe him 100 percent Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 09:48 RayzorFlash wrote: Oh so theres multiple people in the game and it randomly kills one of them?? Fuuuuu... Guess you'll have to lynch me then to ensure that i die... I hate you kita, lol wherebugsgo was part of my game, so scum had knowledge that more than one person was selected. He could have played dumb, but that seems unlikely. What I'm wondering is how doesn't the scum team manage to save Radfield? They obviously gave up a ton by sacrificing Sheth. With 5 scum votes, a rambling Riddler, and maybe a couple stray town votes, how couldn't they accumulate enough votes? Is chaoser a more important scum kp role? Do we have european scum who aren't around? Or is the scum team too passive to take a risk. Not true, Scum team risked it all in an effeort to save Radfield, they even had you do an untimely claim, put "pressure" on Rayzor to have him "lynched" (this was the distraction fase), and then switched to chaoser. I say both you and Rayzor are scum for this. | ||
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On February 14 2012 08:20 Katina wrote: Anyone who is not voting for Radfield or Palmar should probably be shot. This is obviously an important situation and needs to be dealt with now. Lynching those pesky random players (Tunkeg, Forumite) can wait another day. I won't be around for the lynch time as I still don't have internet. Though Palmar is stupidly confusing, I believe him more town than Radfield. As I said earlier in the game, his posts are very direct and actively display his own thoughts. Radfield's posts are more or less garbage if you forget the fact that he's supposedly a DT. Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 05:13 Radfield wrote: On February 14 2012 05:07 Toadesstern wrote: Why should batman suggest to lynch a blue DT? What's the point in lynching a DT? It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? I don't know what Palmar wants but I know he has been bullshitting all game. This game is a hell of a lot closer than you think it is. At some point we need to lynch Palmar to limit his KP. I know this, and so do other players in this game. We are all over scum, with vote-lists, dt checks and vig shots, and they cannot block them all. It is obvious that sooner rather than later we will lynch Palmar, simply to slow down the end game. I'm beginning to think that Palmar did not even rolecheck me night 1, and simply bullshit guessed my role. It was a 50/50 chance after all. It's interesting how you seem to think the game is close yet everyone else seems to think the mafia have the lead (15v5). Clearly you know information that nobody else has. Or do you say this because once you're dead the mafia will have one less member, and only then will the game actually be close? ##Vote: Radfield Katina are you still on my case? Whats up with that. I am going to analyse you for a secound here. But not wheather you are town or not, because I don't see you beeing anyting other than that now... I am going to decide your age, purely based on the fact that you don't like me. So you are not in your 20's or 30's becuase those girls is quite fond of me. You can't be 50+ because those ladies like my charm. You could be in your teens having a secret crush on me, poking at me, craving my attention. But most likely you are in your 40s, and like all women in their 40's you obviously hate me for my flair and charisma... | ||
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On February 14 2012 21:10 layabout wrote: /facepalm Why facepalm? | ||
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On February 14 2012 21:53 Toadesstern wrote: reeee. If the real riddler could come out and counterclaim kita, that would convenient. I really doubt that town kita would make that claim. He should do no such thing as | ||
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On February 14 2012 22:14 Kurumi wrote: Okay, who should die tonight? Chaoser? Someone else? Hiro, Razor, risk, jayjay all of those are pretty good vigshots tonight. | ||
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rgTheSxhworz what were your actions last night? You have claimed TwoFace, you need to start claiming your actions... | ||
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On February 16 2012 07:39 Katina wrote: Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 16:38 Tunkeg wrote: On February 14 2012 08:20 Katina wrote: Anyone who is not voting for Radfield or Palmar should probably be shot. This is obviously an important situation and needs to be dealt with now. Lynching those pesky random players (Tunkeg, Forumite) can wait another day. I won't be around for the lynch time as I still don't have internet. Though Palmar is stupidly confusing, I believe him more town than Radfield. As I said earlier in the game, his posts are very direct and actively display his own thoughts. Radfield's posts are more or less garbage if you forget the fact that he's supposedly a DT. On February 14 2012 05:13 Radfield wrote: On February 14 2012 05:07 Toadesstern wrote: Why should batman suggest to lynch a blue DT? What's the point in lynching a DT? It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? I don't know what Palmar wants but I know he has been bullshitting all game. This game is a hell of a lot closer than you think it is. At some point we need to lynch Palmar to limit his KP. I know this, and so do other players in this game. We are all over scum, with vote-lists, dt checks and vig shots, and they cannot block them all. It is obvious that sooner rather than later we will lynch Palmar, simply to slow down the end game. I'm beginning to think that Palmar did not even rolecheck me night 1, and simply bullshit guessed my role. It was a 50/50 chance after all. It's interesting how you seem to think the game is close yet everyone else seems to think the mafia have the lead (15v5). Clearly you know information that nobody else has. Or do you say this because once you're dead the mafia will have one less member, and only then will the game actually be close? ##Vote: Radfield Katina are you still on my case? Whats up with that. I am going to analyse you for a secound here. But not wheather you are town or not, because I don't see you beeing anyting other than that now... I am going to decide your age, purely based on the fact that you don't like me. So you are not in your 20's or 30's becuase those girls is quite fond of me. You can't be 50+ because those ladies like my charm. You could be in your teens having a secret crush on me, poking at me, craving my attention. But most likely you are in your 40s, and like all women in their 40's you obviously hate me for my flair and charisma... Norwegians are ugly... Can we kill this guy already? Two thirds of his posts are nonsense like this. The only real thing he has contributed is a half-ass case against evantrees. evantrees does have a terrible posting history this game, but I find it odd how little Tunkeg is actively pushing for his suspect list. Of course yesterday we had to deal with the Palmar/Radfield drama, so it's fine he was focused on them for the day (and by that I mean posting nonsensical 2 liners). But outside of that he's contributed nothing to the town. Show nested quote + On February 13 2012 22:27 Tunkeg wrote: On February 13 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote: Why are we lynching eventress? Lynch one of these guys jayjay forumite radfield tunkeg Another one who don't like me. Makes me a sad panda. On one side you have guys like Palmar, Kurumi and WBG (when he were alive) cuddling me and telling everyone that I use logic, that I should get medic protection and that I shouldn't be on any scum list. On the other side you have guys (and girls) like you, that want me lynched. Maybe becuase you are scum and see me as an easy lynch, or maybe because I am totally useless. So I am officially the village idiot (or am I just Keyser Söse?) He's using that as an excuse to not do anything. "Oh hey look two of the most active players in this game think I'm town...I can just sit around and not contribute!" Need to get this guy talking about the game, and not speculating how old I am. ##Vote: Tunkeg It seems very silly to me to kill Kurumi. 3rd party =/= Mafia. We need to kill mafia. Also Forumite appears to be very good at sneaking under the radar. Are people even aware he's playing? He's given us list after list of who he thinks is mafia, but never any reasoning to go with it. Not only are we ugly but we club down defenseless little sealcubs for the hell of it... But this is for you my love: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 16 2012 17:28 Adam4167 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2012 17:23 Tunkeg wrote: Sorry for inactivity yesterday. rgTheSxhworz what were your actions last night? You have claimed TwoFace, you need to start claiming your actions... He has no night action He is either a DT (which he claimed), or he is a vig. He should have nightactions either way... | ||
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On February 16 2012 17:32 Adam4167 wrote: He's neither, he lied. Well, thats what I am suspecting as well. I think his play have been odd as hell throughout the game. But, why aren't you voting for him if you think this is the case? You think he is a lying townie? | ||
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CW/Kurumi should also know that town is coming very close to losing, and that he can't shoot wild into town anymore. If he shoots into town next night and misses his target killing off some other town, and scum gets jackpot on their hits, well then CW loses the game. CW needs to stall this game out now, and needs to get rid off a scummember to do so. So do not lynch CW today. | ||
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All in all I find it hard to get a decisive read on him. And I think there are better lynches then him for today. | ||
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hiro protagonist Shouldn't this guy be a good player? Well, nothing in this game have been good, from a town perspective. So he is either bored or he is scum. Only thing that works in his favour is that he voted Sheth both days. But day 1 he voted for Sheth for no reason, and day 2 Sheth was pretty much dead. So his votes on Sheth are way scummier than VE's votes for instance. He went after Palmar after the Radfield vs Palmar feud started. And he defended Radfield without taking a hard stance on it, very vague defences: On February 14 2012 03:49 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 03:41 Kurumi wrote: On February 14 2012 03:39 hiro protagonist wrote: On February 14 2012 03:36 Kurumi wrote: On February 14 2012 03:34 hiro protagonist wrote: eh, your right layabout. Palmar is scum or 3rd party. Nothing about his claim makes sense, and he has claimed a lot this game, dispite the fact that when people call him out on it he tells them to stop lying. He also makes cases, only then not to push them very hard. He sheeps Kumari, thus leavening his guilt at voting for someone on him. Palmar trolls alot as both town and scum, but he cant help but be useful as town even when he is trolling. Somethings off, and the simplest explanation is that he is not town. Scum Palmar can do all of this shit and get away with it because he is a very good at arguing himself out of a lynch. I think he is scum. Palmar does not troll. He claimed everything. He coloured every player with corresponding colour to him, but he left himself with a rainbow. He called Radfield Talia based on him surviving a shot. He got rbed N2 instead of Radfield. Radfield is alive on D3 when he claimed DT D2. Ding-ding? All WIFOM. these statements do not deduce aliment. Actions do, and his actions have not been protown in my eyes. So Radfield is alive because of what? He did not get shot N2. He did not get roleblocked N2. Why he isn't dead? Why is he not dead? They thought someone would be protecting him? Why no roleblock? Dont no. But If Rad was scum he could have easily claimed roleblocked, or come in with a "check" on someone that died last night, as is what happened, but so can real DTs. WIFOM. These incidents dont make someone scum, there actions do. He also defended WBG when DrH told the thread he was suspicious of him: On February 11 2012 15:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: WBG this is the second time you've defended Sheth now. Get ready for the pressure. I'm pretty positive that either WBG or Kurumi are scum. All of the cases Kurumi pushed Day 1 were weak and he hardly bothered to justify most of them. There's no serious case for his lolrandom vote switch to Qualis. He comes out saying "I don't think CC or Sheth are scum" then very very quickly is asking people to change their votes to Sheth. The fact that Sheth is mafia does not auto-clear everyone who voted for him Day 1 or Day 2 and it doesn't clear anyone who attacked him either. When I wake up tomorrow I'll be combing filters but my advice for others is to look for people who rather than defending Sheth just tried to redirect suspicion or outright didn't even comment on it despite making cases/voting otherwise. On February 11 2012 15:09 hiro protagonist wrote: WBG is not stupid enough as scum to try and re-direct a lynch from his scum buddy when He had a DT check and 20+ votes on him with hours left in the day. But you know, thats just WIFOM i guess, but why make the effort to look stupid? All in all his filter is very short. But I think his actions have been pretty scummy. And more scummy than anything is so little posts from a supposedly good player. risk.nuke This guy have done nothing the entire game. He haven't defended anybody, and not really pressured anybody. But still his filter is full of suspicious stuff. His first suspicious move is that he want either jackal or Palmar lynched of, based on a either or scenario: On February 09 2012 05:21 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On February 09 2012 05:10 layabout wrote: i presume that means you are confirming it's existence risk? Yes, I don't see any point in anyone on the list denying it either. Palmar claims we have an imposter in the mason thread. So did Jackal not invite the real palmar and lied about doing so? I don't know but the way I'm thinking we should handle this is following. Step 1. Make everyone on the list confirm it in this thread were their identities can't be forged. Step 2.(A) If alot of people say they haven't been invited we lynch jackal. If jackal flips is town we kill everyone who said they hadn't been invited. Step 2.(B) If everyone else confirms they have been invited. We kill Palmar, If Palmar flips town we kill Jackal. Thoughts? He tells the town that its not among the lurker you'll find scum (I think it is indeed among the biggest lurkers you find them in this game, so I think he got an agenda for saying this): On February 10 2012 06:10 risk.nuke wrote: Beeing lurky isn't a valid option to be scum in this game. Because of the spammers overwhelming everyone. I'm pretty sure somewhere between 600 and 1000 posts (corresponding 30-50 pages) could be removed completely and not affect the overall information the slightest. If we're going to shoot lurkers then we should first shoot the fucking spammers spreading their chaos.. ...then we can look into shooting lurkers. Softdefense on WBG, but not commiting to it, leaving himself a way out: On February 11 2012 22:57 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2012 22:46 rgTheSchworz wrote: Im gonna look at WBG and Kita as they have nt been helpful this game. Yeah I agree, they need to fakeclaim one or two times and cause massive chaos to the thread and further distract the town from lynch discussion. Then I might consider them as helpfull as you. Both wbg and kita are town in my eyes. Actually not entirely sure on wbg, as been mention earlier he's legendary good at disguising himself as town when he is scum but I think he's legit. So yeah, those two are very likely town. He wants town to know that he indeed changed his vote to Sheth, why is this so important? Convinient not to have unvoted: On February 12 2012 23:42 risk.nuke wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 12 2012 20:04 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 12 2012 19:47 rgTheSchworz wrote: I claimed my real role. Remember, scum not believing and not wasting shots on me is good. Dt-ed last night- Chaoser. You're not a DT, silly. Liquid`sheth - 7 hiroprotagonist katina Forumite Palmar radfield Visceraeyes tunkeg Cyber_cheese - 12 Toadesstern drH slardar ico tyrran wbg chaoser liquid`sheth jackal opz evantrees billmurray Kurumi – 1 Layabout -_-qualis – 2 rgtheschworz kurumi ico – 2 kitaman adam4167 toadesstern – 2 Kenpachi Risk.nuke DrH – 2 Jayjay54 cyber_cheese Chaoser – 1 Tobberoth That's Day 1 final vote tally. The best source of info we're probably going to have. The second day is crapshoot, with entire town voting Sheth besides.. chaoser - 1 Palmar kurumi - 2 wherebugsgo bill murray not voting - tobberoth There were two people voting me day 1: Bill Murray layabout So: 3 People voted me through the game: wherebugsgo Bill Murray, who claimed Hush the Medic and RB D2 and went inactive since then layabout, who was one of the first people to vote CC Anyway, we might just ditch everything and lynch Radfield since he's alive on Day 3. Just for the protocol, I changed my vote to sheth but forgot to unvote. I didn't actually realise I hadn't unvoted untill just now. He soft defended Radfield by trying to derail the Radfield/Palmar feud: On February 13 2012 22:59 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2012 22:48 Radfield wrote: On February 13 2012 22:44 risk.nuke wrote: On February 13 2012 22:39 Radfield wrote: On February 13 2012 17:31 Palmar wrote: ok let's do this: I'm a Detective. My role name is Calendar Man I checked Radfield last night, he's: Talia al Ghul Hi Palmar. I think I'm finally starting to figure out whats going on At first I assumed you could not be Batman, because if you were Batman, I would be dead. I cannot stop an unblockable shot, and neither can any medics. Therefore, despite the fact that your play this game lines up with your third party play to a tee, I had assumed you were just adding an extra dash of troll to your play. It's apparent now though that you did not actually shoot me, which was my gut reaction at the time. Shooting me Night 1 is dumb, and you are not dumb. It's also possible that you are scum and shot me, and if so you have played an extremely ballsy game as scum(However then you would not know my role, which you obviously do). At this point though I am almost positive you are third party, which explains your play this game. You have been pushing me since Day 1(either as scum or 3rd party), but never as town, despite the fact that I am a basically confirmed-town dt(who has soaked a hit, and flipped a red), which makes a lot of sense from a third party perspective. Ideal scenario for you is that the sensible strong townies get pushed out early, leaving you free to bully the town around. I am Calendar Man, and you are the Bat or the Cat. Me bussing Sheth for no reason on Day 1 makes no sense, and calling him out on a red check makes no sense, particularly when he was pretty much out of the fire until I posted my check. I assume you rolechecked me N1, which makes sense if you are Batman given that if I was mafia, there is a good chance I would be the GF(Hugo Strange). Again, Palmar being scum doesn't really fit because mafia wouldn't have both shot me and rolechecked me. It's possible he just lucked out(it was obvious I am Calendar Man or Azreal), in which case you might be scum. On February 13 2012 19:05 Forumite wrote: Whatever. You say you have a red check, we´ll know soon. ##vote Radfield Hi scum. You seem awfully eager to vote off the confirmed non-scum detective. I readily admit my play has been a bit lackluster this game, which is due to both lack of time and getting a detective role, not to mention gettng both my dt checks correct. However despite that, my play has certainly not been scummy by any stretch, yet you are ready to vote hand in hand with Palmar's claim that he checked me? That is Bull. We lynch Palmar today. He is almost certainly 3rd party or scum, though probably 3rd party. Normally you do not lynch 3rd party, but here we have an exception. If Palmar is Catwoman, he is certainly shooting into town. If Palmar is Batman, he is certainly shooting Toad tonight. Either way eliminating Palmar eliminates 1 anti-town KP. If he is scum it's even better. Someone make me an argument why we should keep Palmar alive today? Because lynching scum is more important then lynching third party. Both for information gain and who gives a crap about third party. And it is very possible that Palmar is scum, and very likely that you are too. Normally third party swing both ways, and kill off scum or town. However this game, particularly right now, that is not the case. He is scum or third, which means either way we win. Do you honestly think there is a possibility Palmar will flip town? I am off to work, but will be on tonight. I've been sure palmar is bored third party for days. I don't care. You and Palmar both claimed a blue detective. Fuck let scum kill one of you and then we lynch the liar (if he isn't dead already). What do we gain from wasting a lynch on you two? If we lynch palmar and he is third party, scum shoots you for beeing confirmed blue. I say proceed as normal and lynch scum. For those of you who thinks like toad. Do you want to potentially waste two lynches where the gain was to kill a third party? proceed as normal and lynch scum. also toad, your 3 lynch candiates contain 2 townies and a third party. nice. Lets lynch forumite or jayjay! He proceeded to vote Rayzoer and chaoser, the scummier choice near the end of day 3. He also OMGUS'ed pretty much everyone who was on the Radfield lynch the following night, when we posted our viglists. He fished for Toads townlist (why, so you could see if there were any scum on it that your team didn't have to protect?) His vote for today is currently on Kurumi. So who should we lynch out of these two, I see both as valid choices, and neither have ever mentioned the other as a possible scummember (risk did his, vote, vote, vote (hold) post, but that doesn't mean anything). I think both are scums. | ||
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On February 16 2012 21:33 Adam4167 wrote: I'm pretty sure I can out the entire scum team now. With that information, do we still want to waste today's lynch on catwoman, and let her kill townies as we round up the scums over the next 4 days? Out the entire scumteam now. CW should not get lynched today, period. | ||
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On February 16 2012 21:53 Adam4167 wrote: Does your role include his poem? Yes | ||
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On February 16 2012 21:53 Adam4167 wrote: Does your role include his poem? I have breadcrumbed some of it in my reply to Katina: On February 13 2012 21:46 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2012 10:36 Katina wrote: Hey, I'm still without internet for the time being since I just moved. Hopefully it won't be for long but I can check the thread at least once a day minimum. On to important matters: I'm still suspicious of Toad. He gets away with causing a shit storm in the thread with all his claiming and barely anyone bats an eye. And he continues to post big walls of text. I can't even think of something beneficial he's done for the town. I believe Palmar was saying that we should kill Toad and I have no idea why he wants to sheep along with whatever Kurumi says when he's been adamant about killing Toad. I would also like to bring more attention to Tunkeg, as after rereading his filter I'm confident he is mafia. What's particularly interesting is that he comes in today with an accusation against evantrees. This is the first time he has ever mentioned evantrees (check his filter), and I cannot help but feel like he just chose evantrees as his target to blend in (this is after Radfield called evantrees out today). The inconsistency with his posting is becoming more noticeable, and it feels like he just does not care about the town. evantrees has been picking up a few votes on a whim recently, and that makes me wary about lynching him at the moment, though I admit his filter is pretty sad. ##Vote: Tunkeg Assuming that BM and layabout are telling the truth, BM should be slapped in the face for not protecting someone more important. And by slapped in the face I mean we should ban him from posting for a day so I won't have to gauge my eyes out every time I see his name. And since nobody's seemed to notice, Forumite has yet to make a post in a long while that actively displays his opinion. Why you no like me? You've been on my case from day 1, and have yet to post something convincing. You have to do better than that if you want to get me lynched. Do you think I was born today? In fact I think you just like me, you are like a secret admirer poking at me to get my attention. But you know what. I haven't been christened yet, and therefor I am not going to marry you. So get off my back before I take ill. So just chill, I suspected that you like me from day one, but not before it grew worse I knew it. So back off before my love for you have died or you might find yourself burried in sorrow. That was the end! | ||
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On February 16 2012 21:55 Adam4167 wrote: Are you protecting penguin in the same way Clayface was protecting Joker? Yes, but I got a different flavor then Clayface. | ||
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On February 10 2012 07:46 Tunkeg wrote: So there is a lot of missing people here now: Hiro - you promissed a case on me first thing today. You should bring it. At least then you would have something in your filter. This song is for you: + Show Spoiler + Adam- you have been very silent this game my ozzy friend. You got the skills to be a major factor in this game, unless you are scum that is. Now do as the star in this classic and come when I whistle for you: + Show Spoiler + OpZ - You have only posted alot of jibbar jabber all game long, and you probably think no one gets you. Well I get you, I'll have your back. Just cry it out. Now please start posting anything other then all this fishy stuff you've been posting. This gitar-solo should snap you out of your dreamworld: + Show Spoiler + The videos for you and Hiro were just distractions. For him I gave him a "Solo", and I told him I had his back. And the penguin would know this. | ||
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On February 16 2012 21:58 Adam4167 wrote: Relax, we can wrap this whole game up now with a win. Scum wont waste 2 KP on you, and you cant be hurt unless we lynch you Sorry, but I was infuriated yesterday, because the shitty night. I was more infuriated by people not seeing 100% that I was town. Like Katina, and forumite, while themself easily being that to me. I actually asked for a replacement, because obviously my play sucks big fucking time (I changed my mind after calming down though). If peope still had me for scum, after me being right all the the time, then I must have played shitty as hell! | ||
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Day 1. Yes I was suspicious of layabout, I tried to provoke him to get a reaction. Chaoser I got seriously fucking pissed off at, for the way he entered the thread. DrH I thought was scum solely based of him not wanting to out the Joker. I interpret my flavour in a manner that led me to think CW would penetrate my protection, but I probably was wrong. So in the beginning of night 1 I decided to claim I would tunnel them for ever. Because if I was right they might try to wack me night 1, so I could soak up some bullets or what not. This didn't happend, so I backed off them, and didn't follow up on my promised tunneling. Day 2 was a given after Sheth was outed. Day 3 I were pretty sure about evan, until the Radfield thing blew up, and then I pushed it pretty much the whole day, doubting myself abit before the end of it. Through all the nights I somehow tried to provoke the scumteam to take shots at me, it didn't happend. So once again I failed big fucking time with what I was trying to achieve. Well, now the cats out of the bag. | ||
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On February 16 2012 22:16 Adam4167 wrote: You got it =) So since you figured him for Two-Face then, this leaves you as the one I am to protect? | ||
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On February 16 2012 22:14 Adam4167 wrote: Lucky you claimed when you did. I was claiming Solomon Grundy tonight to scare catwoman and the scum off >.> Good thing I did then indeed. | ||
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On February 16 2012 22:19 Adam4167 wrote: Eh? You're a medic? I am Penguins meatshield. Hence protect. | ||
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On February 16 2012 23:25 RayzorFlash wrote: Two-face wouldnt have protection if Penguin has it as well... Also lore/theme wise it makes zero sense for Mr Freeze to protect Harvey Dent... I call bullshit on that claim >_> Well, if there is no counterclaim he is confirmed. I am pretty sure that we have to go for massclaim now, and if we get counterclaims then we will have a headache to sort out. | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:04 rgTheSchworz wrote: GUYS. LYNCH FORUMITE, I AM MR FREEZE. I CRUMBED VECTOR- AKA VICTOR VICTOR FRIES-MR FREEZE So either rg lies or risk lies, or forumite is hugo! | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:08 Adam4167 wrote: If Risk.nuke were lying, the real Two-Face should come forward any time now. Yes indeed. | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:15 rgTheSchworz wrote: A Million And 1 reasons to lynch Forumite: 1. If hes Hugo, then our DT is confirmed, 3 scum left, they have 2kp. Also, medics know who to protect.We win 90% here. 2.If hes not Hugo, then lynch our ˝DT´´ and Quails. 2 scum left. 3. If he´s Mr Freeze, which he can t be, then lynch me. If anyone here really believes I am lying when I can seal the deal for town, then they re mad or scum. You avae pretty much lied all game. So believing you is pretty damn hard... If we no one counterclaims risk, Batman DT's either rg or forumite, and depending on the check he kills next night accordingly. | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:19 rgTheSchworz wrote: No reason to let Batman still in this game. Lynch Forumite, then Batman dissapears. Then we know the scum, because DT will confirm 2 ppl, Bat will be another one. This don't make sense, Batman should ofcourse stay in this game, he is basicly a supertownie now... | ||
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On February 17 2012 00:20 Adam4167 wrote: Nah, he can just shoot, doesn't need to waste a night DTing. If hes right, hugo dies. If he picks the wrong one, neither of them will die at night since Freeze is immune to batman strikes. Well, there are reasons to why Batman just shouldn't shoot Freeze, depending on Freezes flavour of course. | ||
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A) Risk is lieing B-1) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Hugo. B-2) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Batman. B-3) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Catwomen. C) Risk is telling the truth, rg is lieing, forumite is Mr.Freeze (or one of the other three, but not very likely). In scenario B-2 it would be bad of us to lynch anyone. In the rest of the scenarios we got at least one scum/hostile 3rd party. | ||
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On February 17 2012 01:15 Tunkeg wrote: So based on these claims we got the following options: A) Risk is lieing B-1) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Hugo. B-2) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Batman. B-3) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Catwomen. C) Risk is telling the truth, rg is lieing, forumite is Mr.Freeze (or one of the other three, but not very likely). In scenario B-2 it would be bad of us to lynch anyone. In the rest of the scenarios we got at least one scum/hostile 3rd party. I obviously men lying, my english sucks... | ||
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On February 17 2012 01:11 risk.nuke wrote: None of rg, forumite and myself are scum. This is law from now untill either the game ends or someone else claims two-face. In which case it will ceace to be a law for the abruptly 15 seconds it will take to prove that the fake-claimer is scum and that I am the real two-face. What kind of bullshit is this? Most likely one of you are indeed scum, so this is no law... | ||
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On February 17 2012 01:27 Tyrran wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 01:15 Tunkeg wrote: So based on these claims we got the following options: A) Risk is lieing B-1) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Hugo. B-2) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Batman. B-3) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Catwomen. C) Risk is telling the truth, rg is lieing, forumite is Mr.Freeze (or one of the other three, but not very likely). In scenario B-2 it would be bad of us to lynch anyone. In the rest of the scenarios we got at least one scum/hostile 3rd party. Risk claims that MrFreeze is 2 face body guard, while rG claims that it is not true. So one of them is lying. Option B is not possible . You are correct. So this means one of them are scum. | ||
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On February 17 2012 01:28 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 01:27 Tyrran wrote: On February 17 2012 01:15 Tunkeg wrote: So based on these claims we got the following options: A) Risk is lieing B-1) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Hugo. B-2) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Batman. B-3) Risk is telling the truth, rg is telling the truth, forumite is Catwomen. C) Risk is telling the truth, rg is lieing, forumite is Mr.Freeze (or one of the other three, but not very likely). In scenario B-2 it would be bad of us to lynch anyone. In the rest of the scenarios we got at least one scum/hostile 3rd party. Risk claims that MrFreeze is 2 face body guard, while rG claims that it is not true. So one of them is lying. Option B is not possible . You are correct. So this means one of them are scum. Unless either one of them are stupid enougt to actually think that lying as a town is in anyway beneficial to town at the moment. I see this as 0,00001% likely, not many are that stupid. | ||
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On February 17 2012 04:48 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 04:47 risk.nuke wrote: On February 17 2012 02:16 Forumite wrote: On February 17 2012 02:14 Palmar wrote: yes. I will after risk tells the truth about what his check gave. FORUMITE IS INFACT + Show Spoiler + Now it makes a lot more sense. Thanks. Kurumi, you wouldn't kill that cute little penguin would you? | ||
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Furomite as Penguin Risk as Two-Face RG as Mr.Freeze Me as Solomon Grundy Anyone wanting to counterclaim step forward now, or I will just proceed with looking at these as confirmed. Between us we have as much power as the entire scumteam considering this lynch. Plus we got the advantage that we don't have to be afraid acting together. This means we can if we pull together and talk this trough decide this lynch. So can all of you please propose your scumteam, and then we can discuss it from there. We can even discuss wasting CW if we get to an agreement. | ||
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Palmar isn't scum. This I am pretty sure about. If he is he have played so good he just deserves to win, and I won't spoil it. Katina isn't scum. She have been on all the right lynches all game long. Even this scumteam wouldn't bus this hard. jaybrundage I think should be off the hook as well. Evantrees was pushed by Radfield day 3, so I don't think he is scum either (not sold though) Qualis was checked and came out green (Is an odd chance that this is Hugo and that he chose VT as his cover) Kurumi is third party, he is out. Adam I grew more unsure about throughout this day, but I think he isn't scum. From the last 4 I am not sure at all, but I will leave out Tyran for now. The other 4 is my guess for scum: VE Hiro Jayjay RayzorFlash And especially jayjay and razor who both have talked about Penguin having a bg in Solomon earlier in the game. I truly think you guys have discussed this in the scum QT... On February 11 2012 20:40 Jayjay54 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 11 2012 20:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Don't know. It's obvious enough now that I was "hired" by Joker, so I assumed Toadesstern is Joker and that Palmar took the fake claim so that Toades wouldn't have to. Because Toades didn't call him out, I didn't push him to get lynched. I briefly considered hte possibility that they're both playing me and that the real Joker is too afraid to CC but I doubt it. One of them is the Joker. If I survive the night the Joker can't die. I also can't be killed by Batman or Catwoman, just scum/vig. A scum/vig hit will take me out and open up the possibility of the Joker dying. That's why I need medics. I think it's pretty clear from Toades' posts regarding the issue, his claims of invulnerability, etc. that he is the real joker. I just don't understand the point of Palmar's lie, it's easy enough to keep Toades alive knowing this. Medics just need to keep me up. nice. now everything is spilled out. If scum didn't know, they know now. Might as well wrap it up for everyone. Toad was asked at one point if he "hired" someone by doc. This word apparently is in both PMs, looking at the way toad reacted. In the game Joker "hires" the past-actor clayface to carry out his jobs and to protect him. Same constellation for penguin (btw: doc, you said in your case that opz claimed penguin? was that in the qt? he sure talks about him a lot) and solomon (please don't claim). Knowing the lore, it was quite obvious that Toad is joker. Let's see if I would have lost the bet. Unfortunately, medics don't do shit against batman, doc. I can't believed, you let yourselves lead into so much brabbeling. also, rG, I am still waiting, I know you read this. On February 14 2012 02:44 RayzorFlash wrote: It does make sense for penguin to have a bodyguard vet too, probably Solomon Grundy (fits game lore/theme) My problem with a hiro lynch is that even if he is mafia, which i think is decently likely, it gives us next to no real info... I'd rather lynch radfield/palmar... I actually wouldnt mind a palmar lynch just because his posts and claims have started to give me.a headache,lol... ##vote: Radfield | ||
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On February 17 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Tunkeg - why do you think I'm scum guy? WHY? You're acting as if I'm confirmed scum when THAT'S NOT THE CASE IN THE LEAST. Seriously, I want to win and lynching me is a guaranteed loss - basically lynching anyone but Catwoman is a guaranteed loss, but I really want to know why you want to lynch ME specifically. What is the case on me? The case for me seing you as more scummy than town is your behaviour during the Radfield lynch. Rest of town seems more townie than you, so thats it basicly. | ||
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Both scenarios that are most likely gives us the same lead after night 4. But I have reviewed my thoughts, and this is why I think taking out CW is better- So this is why I am inclined to swap to Kurumi (sorry man :/) : -We take out a guaranteed kp if we hit. -We won't have a guaranteed kill of a town PR night 4. So you guys were pretty much right about killing Kurumi. I still think most of the scumteam is on Kurumi, because they want to save VE. But I still think town is better off with killing CW, and for you guys to shoot some reds tonight. ##vote Kurumi | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: But that's ridiculous! I fully believed that Radfield was a DT - his claim matched up with my suspicion of Sheth. Why in the hell would I not believe his claim? I'd been pushing Sheth's lynch for 2 days! And Radfield is a beast player to be a DT bro. Kitaman knew what was up, he was fully against a Radfield lynch too. Kita flipped blue bro, not scum. I'm telling you, the Rad thing was a mistake. I'm not scum sir. But you could see why I would suspect someone defending Radfield as hard as you did over someone going for him? In retrospect that is, after knowing he was scum. You are right on Kita, and I was 100% ready to lynch Kita for it. I didn't like his claim abit, all good it did was to get him lynched :/ The thing is I see Palmar as Batman. Katina, jaybrundage, Evantrees, Qualis, Adam and Tyran as more townie than you. So which one of them, based on the actions thus far in the game would you put as scum? | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:27 hiro protagonist wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 07:22 Tunkeg wrote: So this is how I view it after thinking it through: Both scenarios that are most likely gives us the same lead after night 4. But I have reviewed my thoughts, and this is why I think taking out CW is better- So this is why I am inclined to swap to Kurumi (sorry man :/) : -We take out a guaranteed kp if we hit. -We won't have a guaranteed kill of a town PR night 4. So you guys were pretty much right about killing Kurumi. I still think most of the scumteam is on Kurumi, because they want to save VE. But I still think town is better off with killing CW, and for you guys to shoot some reds tonight. ##vote Kurumi This is wrong, CW fires into the dark IN HOPES of hitting his target, but the funny thing is, is that the person he shoots might be scum. Scum never mis-shots. They always aim into town. BTW, Im catching up on the thread right now, but just wanted to drop this in for now. The thing is CW knows her target by now. They have both claimed. Her shots will pierce through any protection. Scums shots will not do the same. Scum might opt to shoot 3 townies besides the 4 of us that have claimed, but then they will be in serious trouble the next day. As we 4 are confirmed and the elimination process gets easier... | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:45 hiro protagonist wrote: I dont care about dieing, and Im sorry about that, but Im reading current developments at the same time as catching up on the thread, because I have little time to play right now. I promous not to say anything else until I am fully read though. But my logic still stands, assuming one on me and viscera is scum (99% likely btw) scum will just protect themselves and let town Kp kill the other. ends badly for us. IMO, we should kill one of me or VE TODAY. Is there a scenario ever where proposing to lynch yourself is pro-town? I think we should just avoid listening to you... | ||
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Same thing goes for you rg. Come back here and stop ignoring town, you can't leave your vote on risk like that when no one have CC'ed. You have to come back and start thinking this game through! | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:55 Jayjay54 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 07:51 Tunkeg wrote: You guys who are still on the VE lynch, please come out and tell your reasons. I clearly see more of an upside to killing CW now. Scum team really have to put in some effort to get through me to kill penguin if we do. While I am pretty sure CW can ignore me. I love how you go from "Everybody voting Kurumi looks scum" to "Everybody not voting Kurumi looks scum" in under 25 minutes. I never said everybody voting Kurumi looks scum. I just said that 3 of the ones I had on my scumlist were voting Kurumi, which I can understand as you want to save VE. What is this btw? An effort to discredit my opinions, to put doubt in the rest that I am Solomon? Because you know the only way to do that is by someone CC'ing, and feel free to do, because that will seal their faith. | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:55 hiro protagonist wrote: ok, can someone give me a list of confirmed claims of people still alive? risk.nuke: Two Face forumite: Penguin rgTheSchwroz: MR. Freeze Me: Solomon Grundy | ||
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On February 17 2012 07:59 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 07:55 Jayjay54 wrote: On February 17 2012 07:51 Tunkeg wrote: You guys who are still on the VE lynch, please come out and tell your reasons. I clearly see more of an upside to killing CW now. Scum team really have to put in some effort to get through me to kill penguin if we do. While I am pretty sure CW can ignore me. I love how you go from "Everybody voting Kurumi looks scum" to "Everybody not voting Kurumi looks scum" in under 25 minutes. I never said everybody voting Kurumi looks scum. I just said that 3 of the ones I had on my scumlist were voting Kurumi, which I can understand as you want to save VE. What is this btw? An effort to discredit my opinions, to put doubt in the rest that I am Solomon? Because you know the only way to do that is by someone CC'ing, and feel free to do, because that will seal their faith. And also JayJay I am not saying everyone not voting Kurumi looks scum. I am just saying I want to discuss it with them. My list of scum still stands. | ||
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On February 17 2012 08:05 Adam4167 wrote: No, If day 1 or 3 is any indication, highest votes gets the noose. OK, good, one less thing to worry about then. | ||
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On February 17 2012 08:13 Jayjay54 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 08:01 Tunkeg wrote: On February 17 2012 07:59 Tunkeg wrote: On February 17 2012 07:55 Jayjay54 wrote: On February 17 2012 07:51 Tunkeg wrote: You guys who are still on the VE lynch, please come out and tell your reasons. I clearly see more of an upside to killing CW now. Scum team really have to put in some effort to get through me to kill penguin if we do. While I am pretty sure CW can ignore me. I love how you go from "Everybody voting Kurumi looks scum" to "Everybody not voting Kurumi looks scum" in under 25 minutes. I never said everybody voting Kurumi looks scum. I just said that 3 of the ones I had on my scumlist were voting Kurumi, which I can understand as you want to save VE. What is this btw? An effort to discredit my opinions, to put doubt in the rest that I am Solomon? Because you know the only way to do that is by someone CC'ing, and feel free to do, because that will seal their faith. And also JayJay I am not saying everyone not voting Kurumi looks scum. I am just saying I want to discuss it with them. My list of scum still stands. no no not at all, you're confirmed town to me. I just can't follow your logical steps. It's not as badly as RG, but you might slow down a little bit on the WIFOM. When you pointed out the "three on my scumlist" two already confirmed townies were on that vote. You fail to mention that, which is bad. You always need to see every angle of it. And you eventually did. Also, I am curious what the fuck was I on your scumlist for? I actually highly doubt that I was, you never even mentioned me once the entire game until that post. Hopefully not only because of the BG thing (which would also be flawed logic). Now you FOS everyone who votes the thing, you recently defended yourself? You need to think things more through and not just jump to conclusions, imo. That is all. No accusations whatsoever. I have mentioned you as possible scum earlier as well: On February 14 2012 22:23 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 14 2012 22:14 Kurumi wrote: Okay, who should die tonight? Chaoser? Someone else? Hiro, Razor, risk, jayjay all of those are pretty good vigshots tonight. It is an overall feel I got from you. I won't make a case on you yet, and maybe I don't do at all. But of the players left I see you as one of the 4 most scummy (but from the looks of it I have almost accused every single player in this game at one point, so lol). If you aren't I am sorry, I really hate being put as scum when I am not myself (as probably everyone saw earlier). Also, I won't call you scum no more today, I want Kurumi lynched, period. | ||
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Now it will be an interesting night. If we get very unlucky wew might just lose outright after the night is over. If Penguin misslynch, Batman misslynch (shouldn't happend), mafia hits with 3 kp and The Riddler's game sets in and kills off townies. Very unlikely though. If we get very lucky we might get 2 scum tonight and scum might waste some kp trying to take me down to get to Penguin. I see other scenarios as more likely though. But if we get a 2 town dead to 1 mafia dead it should be considered an ok night. | ||
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On February 17 2012 21:10 Forumite wrote: Who are scum? Kurumi flip means I won´t die right now, but it didn´t give much on where scum hide. If anyone have a likely scumteam, please tell me, because I don´t want to shoot a townie by mistake. My advice is to ask yourself what would Toad do... ... and then do the opposite. | ||
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On February 17 2012 21:19 Tunkeg wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 21:10 Forumite wrote: Who are scum? Kurumi flip means I won´t die right now, but it didn´t give much on where scum hide. If anyone have a likely scumteam, please tell me, because I don´t want to shoot a townie by mistake. My advice is to ask yourself what would Toad do... ... and then do the opposite. But to answer your question. I still think the scumteam is: VE hiro Razor JayJay | ||
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On February 17 2012 21:46 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2012 21:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually looking through filters now Forumite. What are your thoughts on the scumlist I provided earlier? I think your scumlist is the right. On the other hand that´s from playing with these people with the suspicions I had at the time. The scum on your scumlist are extra scummy due to them trying to stop Kurumi getting lynched, but that was based on my worry that Kurumi and rg were really scum together. They were not both scum, but I wonder how rg acting yesterday fits into all this. If risk says Mr Freeze doesn´t protect him, and rg objects, is this them tricking scum or rg fakeclaiming Freeze? Risk hasn´t confirmed the existance of Mr Freeze in this setup after all, and risk correctly named me, so I´m inclined to believe risk if they were somehow opposed. Then again, they had WBG for one night, did they check me that night? No, I don´t really think this is an elaborate scumplot, but it´s easy to get very, very paranoid, which is why I´m glad there are some other players around who are good at analyzing. I´m going to do my own rereading later tonight, but right now VE's scumlist is what I think, but not what I would expect from a scumteam where their 3 most skilled members are dead. If it´s VE's 4 players, then they are pushing their agenda over trying to blend in, which doesn´t make sense. You are very right about your view on rg. I have been thinking some of the same. There is a chance that Mr.Freeze isn't in the game and that rg have done a fakeclaim (if Mr.Freeze don't have a protection role to Two-Face). His play sure enough have been strange enough for this to be the case. Also his very anti-town behaviour yesterday makes one wonder. But, he should in no way be a target by anyone tonight. As I find it much more likely that he is telling the truth. | ||
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Also what a great position town would be in these last days with 2 blues claiming, had they actually played somewhat convincing up to the point of their claim. Then town would have won. But I also had rg for scum in the end there, so much that I would have pushed for forumite to shoot him to kill or confirm. Hiro I were 100% certain was scum. And with that endgame it was hard to win. | ||
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On February 23 2012 17:53 Cyber_Cheese wrote: If we'd followed my plan, this would have been ez mode. Well, The joker outed himself pretty early, so the get the Batman on our side went pretty ok. | ||
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On February 23 2012 18:58 Forumite wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 18:54 Tunkeg wrote: LOL @ scum being allowed to discuss the riddlergame in their QT. Pretty much make The Riddler game the most antitown bluerole in the game... This doesn´t sound right. The riddler game is a solo situation. I hope they didn´t reveal the phone booth QT to eachother too. They did, not complaining though. It weren't these things that lost us the game :/ | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:00 Palmar wrote: GG everyone. Short explanation of my strategy. Seeing as batman was a very pro-town role in the game for the most part I was not really afraid of being lynched UNLESS I shot Hugo early. Town "giving" me joker after I find hugo would've been retarded, so my mission was to kill the joker as early as possible. But it's so hard to blue-hunt... So I decided to shoot some scum night 1, could even hit hugo and then try to look like I'm not batman. I shot radfield, but of course he was talia. Toad being the joker didn't click until about the time I posted this The reason for all the trolling and spamming is that I wanted to make the thread as useless for scumhunting as possible. The reason being that my theory was that if I made actually playing mafia impossible, the town would turn to their blue roles for support, thus allowing me to better identify them. I think it kinda worked, we got a load of claims early in the game and they helped me tremendously. I mean... figuring out the exact identity of one person out of 30-ish on day 2 is not something that normally happens, but given the chaotic thread it was much easier. After finally killing toad night 3 (fuck you scum for rb-ing me night 2) it was basically just a game of "who among the scummy people could be Hugo". VisceraEyes fit the bill, so I murdered him and left the game on night 4. So yeah, those are my thoughts on my own game. If I have time I might write something about the other factions. Also, Kurumi is hilarious for choosing to appear as ras al gul So where you at no point afraid of town lynching you? I mean all your claims followed up by the "I never claimed" and "never been in the Phone Booth" posts had me wanting to lynch you until I understood you were Batman. | ||
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So even though it was the amount of claims and confusion that gave away that he was Batman in the end Ihe could have been lynched off before we realised this. Scum tried this somewhat on day 3, but had they gone for it earlier I would have joined the wagon easily. | ||
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On February 23 2012 22:22 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On February 23 2012 21:56 syllogism wrote: There were too many people in the game who realized that this was the third party palmar for him to ever get lynched. Well I would hope so. Why do you think he would play like this as mafia? He would get shot by some vig or at least DT checked very quickly. Ya some vig shot him night one. Some medic let the only confirmed townie die night one. Did you have to claim in the Phone Booth or did you chose to? | ||
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On February 23 2012 21:56 syllogism wrote: There were too many people in the game who realized that this was the third party palmar for him to ever get lynched. Well I would hope so. Why do you think he would play like this as mafia? He would get shot by some vig or at least DT checked very quickly. Well the further the game dragged on the more certain it was that this play could only be explained from a 3rd party perspective. But early game this wasn't known. If scum had put in an effort early to have Palmar lynched I think this town would have killed him. Not that scum needed to do this, as they won anyway, but at least Palmar put himself in a more vulnerable place by playing this way than he would playing more straigth forward. | ||
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On February 24 2012 00:17 rgTheSchworz wrote: Also, If I want to lie as scum, I have to lie as town, while being helpful. Else, scumtell. Hmm, you should never do scummy stuff as town to help your meta as scum... | ||
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On February 24 2012 03:40 Kurumi wrote: Show nested quote + On February 24 2012 03:37 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 24 2012 03:35 Kurumi wrote: WBG would die N1 if not me thinking "I actually should try to win, I am not town, so I shouldn't care about scum" ...suggesting you knew he was scum when you shot him, effectively playing against your wincon. But yeah, cool story bro. XD I pinned Schworz as Town D1 and WBG as scum D1 and that never changed. Then I added Tunkeg and Adam to town list somewhere around D2. They were so damn good. Hehe, I think you are trolling, but I'll thank you anyways I actually felt abit bad for going after you on Day 4, you having been more of an asset to town then most of the townies. But I think if we hadn't taken you out, town would have lost even badder ^^ | ||
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