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On March 01 2012 09:44 NightFury wrote:Got home a little late from work. Here's what I'm thinking up to now! Not too sure of what to make of the Janaan hit. As previously stated, trying to deduce what happened is probably WIFOM and should be left alone unless new and relevant content shows up. On the gumshoe case. I find the statements being made in his case to be reasonable. I spent some time going through his filter and found something else of interest. In short: gumshoe is convinced that Alderan is town. If you look through his filter, I do not see an instance where gumshoe opts to pressure Alderan. Instead, gumshoe very frequently defends Alderan - either directly or indirectly. I'd like to highlight some of his posts that support my statement (there are some fluff ones, I'll ignore those - feel free to examine them at your own free will though): Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:29 gumshoe wrote: I really don't like how drastically sloosh's style has shifted, even alderaan who seems like he's playing a convincing town hasn't changed that much in terms of tone from last game when he was scum, sloosh sounds like a different person and I would like to put pressure on him by attacking his potential proxy, ghost.
At this point in time, gumshoe believes Alderan is town based on his play (or at least a convincing town). Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 00:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2012 23:26 phagga wrote:what about my second question, gumshoe? On February 28 2012 21:35 phagga wrote:On February 28 2012 11:27 gumshoe wrote: god I hate no lynches ) : like unless its analytically the right move(as was the case last game when we had a potential inactive townie) I feel like were just depriving ourselves of information
If chocolate flips green(which he probably will considering it looks like he's getting bussed, not gonna lie about that) i'll take responsibility. Why do you want to take responsibility for it? Because i wanted it to happenat the time more so than anyone else, that said i felt there was a good chance chocloate wasnt scum becaise it looked like he was getting bussed, to that end i knew someone would have to pay if he flipped green, i was willing to take on that responsibility to get information, but dyh sorta talked me out of it when he said lynching for info is bad, to sum it up as i said before i hate no lynches, i feel like they make town stagnate, that said i was aware that chocolate could be town, in which case if i was willing to lynch him for information i had to be willing to take the fall for it if he turned out to be a mistake. Thats how my thought process worked, i wanted it the most i had to be willing to take the heat for it, besides in my opinion everyone should fall under a bit of suspiciun early in the game so scum cant pull a " you know this guy mightve been playing us the whole time" stunt. Is that wrong? I dont know lynch me. In isolation, I wouldn't know what to think of this one. With other evidence, I think gumshoe was soft defending Alderan (indirectly) as he put up the first accusations against Chocolate. The responsibility would be shared among all who voted for Chocolate. Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:54 gumshoe wrote: well now we know one thing, janaan was town, and I think alderaan is being framed. Could be the other way but Alderaan just doesn't seem like the kinda guy who would try and meta us by lynching his own suspect.
While thinking into the Janaan hit itself isn't worth the effort as of right now. The fact that gumshoe is still defending Alderan's innocence is worth noting - regardless if it's based in WIFOM. I took a little time to look into how gumshoe and Alderan interacted. Please note that I may be mistaken as there may be more statements supporting or opposing this and I may have missed them - so feel free to correct me (long day at work). I see that gumshoe always acts favourably towards Alderan. Alderan has shown both favourable and unfavourable actions towards gumshoe. I do not think this is enough to speculate if they're working together. It is worth noting though. A few examples: Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:16 gumshoe wrote:On February 28 2012 10:26 Alderan wrote: Is gum around? It's going to take mine and his votes as it stands now to get the majority. I'm here watcha need boss. gumshoe acting favourably towards Alderan Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 11:24 Alderan wrote:On February 28 2012 11:22 gumshoe wrote: I like what ghost said about him and chocolate, we lynch igo meh, we lynch one of them we can back track and look at the history of pressure, willing to lean chocolate right now because ghost actually brought that to attention which I really appreciate. I'm leaning Chocolate as well over igabod. I'm trying to decide where "no lynch" falls in my preference order. . Alderan working with gumshow (this is in reference to the day 1 lynch vote direction - there are more posts related). Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 04:42 Alderan wrote: Gumshoe- I think we need a case from Gumshoe soon, he's been active but not assertive, he needs to post an original case rather thanto continue to just evaluate others' cases.
Alderan pressuring gumshoe. So the way I see it - gumshoe believes Alderan to be innocent and this can be applied to the recent cases involving both. If gumshoe is green and believes Alderan is green (regardless of actual alignment) - I think he should be able to propose a reasonable argument why he thinks Alderan is green. If gumshoe is red and knows Alderan is green - He knows Alderan's alignment and he is defending Alderan for some reason. It is possible to speculate that if Alderan flips green, he would use the fact he defended to support his defense. May not have evidence that to support Alderan being green (not a definite). If gumshoe is red and Alderan is red - They're simply working together as mafia. @gumshoe
Why are you convinced that Alderan is innocent? It may be critical for not just for your case, but may also help out with the Alderan case. I can see you being town if this can be explained adequately.So there's a bit over a day left until the next vote deadline. I really want to hear about this. This will help everyone learn more about the current developments and possibly lead to lynching scum over a town. And I'm just briefly going to comment on Chocolate. Please provide your own arguments or even your opinion on relevant matters. Your actions still say to me that you're a scummy lurker. To save space, ghost's case appears reasonable after a first read. Anything you can provide can be of help. There's a good chunk of time until the next lynch. That's all for now. I am still suspicious of both gumshoe and Chocolate. Hearing more from them will be very useful. Despite me being a little tired this evening, I am up for discussion (I still need to do more reading though). Questions/Thoughts/Opinions?
The real reason I defend alderaan? because I think hes an active poster and i dont think he would lynch his primary suspect, also his style is totally different from last game where his mafia worked so well(and he was mafia last game so I could just be naive thinking he's town this time ) : I defend him because I think there are way worse players, lurkers finger pointers, people who wifom(like yours truly) and Alderaan seems to legitimately contribute.
One thing I will say is that my lack of suspicion is a personal decision, if I flip green please don't consider him absolved of any of your qualms, an efficient town works in all directions, aldraan just dosent happen to be in mine, there are 4 mafia after all.
I also don't like how much he's being tunneled and attacked by people who haven't provided there own cases on him, but more on that soon.
I really appreciate you actually asking me a question instead of just accusing me night fury ( :
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Seeing as lurking is the theme of this game I've conducted an analysis of this games biggest lurker!
To start heres some fun fact, in his grand total of 11 posts test has stated that he is a newb on five diffrent occaisons, each time with more emphasis than the last.
+ Show Spoiler +This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person
Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play
Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase?
I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.)
Is he claiming blue? I don't think he is. Everybody can calm down. (I think. I an after all the newbiest one here it seems, so I may be eating these words.)
The second interesting thing is that test has not said one original thing, period, everything he's commented on has either been irrelevant or has been stated by someone else first.
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accidenttal early post my bad
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ignore till finished! (been working on this awhile)
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On March 02 2012 06:41 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 04:39 gumshoe wrote:Seeing as lurking is the theme of this game I've conducted an analysis of this games biggest lurker! To start heres some fun fact, in his grand total of 11 posts test has stated that he is a newb on five diffrent occaisons, each time with more emphasis than the last. + Show Spoiler +This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person
Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play
Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase?
I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.)
Is he claiming blue? I don't think he is. Everybody can calm down. (I think. I an after all the newbiest one here it seems, so I may be eating these words.) The second interesting thing is that test has not said one original thing, period, everything he's commented on has either been irrelevant or has been stated by someone else first. First of all, calling be the game's biggest lurker is blatantly untrue. nttea has only 3 posts, and has not posted reads, which I have. When you consider the amount of time I've been in the game (missing the first 60 or so hours), my posts per play time is comparable to JekyllAndHyde, phagga, NightFury, slOosh and k2hd. Concerning my statements about my inexperience: I legitimately believe that I am the newbiest player in this game. I have never played online before, which seemingly most other players have, and the "meta-game" of the people I've played live with before seems entirely different than it is in this game, almost certainly because of the increased length of days and nights. I've been having a really hard time analyzing any of this, because all of the things I knew before and I thought might apply to this game do not. I added those statements in hope that if I was do something wrong, people would correct and help me. Naturally, my difficulty analyzing the game has led me to not be able to come to many strong conclusions. Additionally, my joining the game late led to much of what I had to say already being said, as much of my time was spend on earlier content that had already been discussed.
Concerning my vote today: Like I stated earlier, my early instinct was to vote for gumshoe, and despite good reasons brought up since then to vote for k2hd, gumshoe's lack of defense for his apparent blue-fishing have caused my opinion to stay the same. Additionally, although I had already made up my mind, his "analysis" of me began with false claims and harshly negative tone that were seemingly only an attempt to unfairly defame me. ##Vote: gumshoe
I'm not done yet >-< man hate space buttons.
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Seeing as lurking is the theme of this game I've conducted an analysis of this games second biggest lurker(not much to read out of nttea)!
To start heres some fun facts, in his grand total of 11 posts test has stated that he is a newb on five diffrent occaisons, each time with more emphasis than the last.
+ Show Spoiler +This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person
Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play
Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase?
I think you are misunderstanding the rules. (Or I am, lol.)
Is he claiming blue? I don't think he is. Everybody can calm down. (I think. I an after all the newbiest one here it seems, so I may be eating these words.)
The second interesting thing is that test has not said one original thing, period, everything he's commented on has either been irrelevant or has been stated by someone else first. I will now laboriously set out to prove this, post by post( not too difficult though post count considered).
1)+ Show Spoiler +Hey guys!
As you know, I'm replacing Steveling. This is my first online game of mafia, but I've played some in person. I'm still catching up on the thread (a little over half way through right now). I'll be up to speed and in the discussion a few hours from now.
Not much here, just letting us know hes in the game, his next post comes roughly four hours later.
2) Heres his only real notable post, it deserves some analysis so here we go!+ Show Spoiler +Ok guys, I've caught up on the thread now. Like I said before, this is my first time playing online, so you'll have to bear with me if I'm a little slow with any acronyms (although after reading the thread, I think I've gotten most of them), or otherwise am unfamiliar with some nuance of online play. Anyway, on to my thoughts..
So a few lines of him saying hes new and pretty much that we shouldn't take his opinion seriously.
+ Show Spoiler +Thoughts on Day 1 Voting
I was torn between thinking that all of the push to vote igabod was useless and counter-productive, and thinking that it was a good alternative in to a no lynch in a spot where we didn't have a lot of information. When I had only read up to the end of Day 1, I was definitely suspicious of Chocolate, but knew his case was far from 100%. As such, I want to look back and say a no lynch was clearly the right move, but if I had had to cast a vote, it probably would have been for Chocolate, since he seemed to be the most likely to be scum at that point in time.
This opening post is fascinating because he really says absolutely nothing while discussing a very important topic, he says he's torn about the iga switch and hes not sure whether it was right or wrong and then dosent make any conclusions, he just says he's thought about it, then he says that we should've lynched chocolate, so clearly it was the wrong decicion right? But he never makes this conclusion, he seems to say that what happened yesterday was ok but today we gotta get the job done k guys? Also it naturally follows that accusing choc is the easiest decision he can possibly make. Moving on to his suspicions.
+ Show Spoiler + Current Reads
+ Show Spoiler + Alderan - He is definitely the player I'm most suspicious of right now. In addition to the other points mentioned in the recent cases against him, his attempts to get players to move from igabod to steveling make me think he has some information about igabod that everyone else doesn't.
He makes it sound like the point about alderaan making the switch to steve is his point, its not, DYH and sloosh brought it up long ago, yet test specifically tries to make the point his own, basically his suspicions of alderaan are founded on other peoples suspicions, he is in essence bandwagoning a player who looks likely to be lynched without providing his own reasons.
+ Show Spoiler +nttea (igabod) - I really wish I had more information here. Right now its basically a null read, but if Alderan flips red, my suspicion of him goes up drastically.
This is incredibly interesting, the exact opposite in fact of my earlier reasonings, earlier I grew suspicious of sloosh and felt that if I could lynch a lesser player with ties to sloosh I could ascertain his alignment, here test is suggesting the opposite, he says if we lynch an active player we can figure out a lesser ones alignment, why risk an active player in a game with so few commuters? Why not lynch nttea to get a grip on alderaan's alignment?
Well the answer is a fascinating one if test is scum, because if he knows alderaan's town and lynches him, according to his reasoning applied backwards that should absolve nttea right? The reason he dosen't want to lynch nttea first is because nttea is scum, and if alderaan flips green before nttea flips red than nttea gets a pass, according to this post at least, this coupled with nttea's later proposition to default lynch alderaan is suspicius enough to warrant a case on one of them I would think, but neither have been brought to light, I will adress why I think that is the case later.
Next part!
+ Show Spoiler +Janaan - Someone suspicious, but he seems to be getting a decent amount of scrutiny right now, so I'm confident we'll have the information we need before the next lynch comes around. I think he also looks scummier if Alderan turns out to be mafia.
Did you know that test like alderaan was both suspected and suspicious by and of janaan? Earlier we wondered why janaan would kill his own suspect, what if it wasn't alderaan killing his own suspect, what if it was the other guy who had barely given and received pressure from janaan that ordered a hit that would seem only relevant to alderaan? This is a brilliant move regardless of wether or not town thinks alderaan did or didnt do it, because either way the wifome will only ever be relevant to Alderaan, because hes in the spot light, not test. This has nothing to do with wifome, its just a fact that if a guy dies you suspect his nemesis before you suspect his quarrelsome neighbour. Alderaan is test's cover. Also in case its relevant janaan had been called out long ago for flying under the radar by four face and a few other people, this idea is not his own. Also another thing, he says that if alderaan flips janaan looks scummy, why? Alderaan is pressuring janaan, wheres this connection? It really just sounds to me as if test is just trying to do everything in his power to get janaan lynched.
next!
+ Show Spoiler +Chocolate - As has been noted, he's been pretty aggressive and someone willing to target anyone. This makes me want to keep an eye on him.
Again another useless post, just says other people have found him suspicious and thats why he finds him suspicious.
g+ Show Spoiler +umshoe - For as active as he has been he hasn't really said that much meaningful. I think he probably deserves more scrutiny than he has gotten, although I'm far from ready to lynch him.
wont comment, I'm biased, will say though that alderaan suggested a case on me long before test did for these exact reasons.
next!
+ Show Spoiler +sloosh - His early inactivity had me suspicious, but I'm back to a null read on him after his posts lately.
Again nothing new, just stating the obvius, wont comment on any alliances or anything because once again I am biased twoards sloosh.
+ Show Spoiler +zelblade (FourFace) - I feel like he may have been put in a hard spot here. FF's posts seemed pro-town to me, but I don't know how much to trust that info given the crazy/troll nature. I'm definitely leaning townie on him, but new info could change my opinion quickly.
pro town is a stretch, basically he's defending a whole new player on the basis of the old players insanity, still though by saying new information can change my opinion he leaves himself safe in case zell is brought under scrutiny.
+ Show Spoiler + I wish I had more information on: JekyllAndHyde, phagga, k2hd Some of these are time zone/RL issues, but the jury is still out on these 3 for me. I could definitely still go either way.
Nothing to note really.
+ Show Spoiler +Basically neutral reads: DoYouHas, NightFury, ghost_403 Early suspicions of ghost seemed to get cleared up pretty well. I'm not ready to call pro-town on anyone this early, but these three are on the right track.
again not much to say, he doesn't provide reasoning for why these guys are ok, just says they are.
Next post! one minute later.
3) + Show Spoiler +P.S. Everytime I seem someone use the term WIFOM I can't help but laugh as I recall that scene from The Princess Bride .
fluff
4) this post comes 3 hours later. + Show Spoiler + Sorry if this is a really newbie question, but what should we be trying to accomplish during this night phase? I want to contribute, but I feel a bit directionless right now. I feel like I should be making a case, but I can't come up with a lot that's conclusive. Is it just a waiting game until we see the results of the night actions and then work from there?
This is an interesting post, two possibilities.
a) Test is town: Hes just a newb struggling to contribute.
b) Test is scum: Hes trying to justify his inactivity with his growing newbie persona and perhaps trying to suggest that there is no alternative to inactivity for the moment.
Again nothing of note here, he has contributed absolutely no opinions in so far.
Next post 5)
+ Show Spoiler +1. I think that Chocolate seemed the most scummy then, not that it was enough to thoroughly convince me he was 100% red. I'd still say he's scummy, but I think there are enough people after him right now that by the time the next vote rolls around we'll have a lot of conclusions drawn about him to work from.
2. It just seems like you are posting enough to get by without being considered as a lurker, and not really saying anything incredibly bold. Very under-the-radar kind of play. As far as not pressuring, I don't feel confident enough in any of these reads to act without interacting a little more with the involved parties first. Despite having read everything, I haven't actually interacted with anyone in a back-and-forth manner yet. We'll see how I feel about these reads after I'm actively involved in the discussions.
3. Well, Alderan seems to keep mentioning you as someone he is suspicious of without really going too hard. It just gave me a vibe of him trying to appear hard on you without actually being. Honestly after looking at it more closely, I'm not as confident about it anymore; its more of a hunch than anything.
4. I'm feeling like phagga is pretty pro-town, but the hydra thing for JekyllAndHyde and throwing me off I think. Still can't tell you how I feel about him/them.
Like I mention in 2, those were more of initial reads, I'm sure I'll change my mind on some things eventually. Let me know if you have any more questions.
Heres his interaction with janaan,
His first comment on chocolate is nothing, he just says he looks scummy and by tomorrow people will have reasons that he looks scummy, but of course I'm not sure about chocolate he says, because only scum are sure right test?
His next comment towards janaan is that he says he feels janaan has just been trying to be under the radar, Janaan has posted as much as the next guy could in this stagnant game, so I find his suspicion unfounded, especially because janaan actually flipped town, its also interesting here that test once again feels compelled to justify his inactivity by saying he hasn't had enough back and forth with other players to start pressuring, you get back and forth by pressuring, by asking questions, neither of which has test bothered to do then or since.
It's also interesting that the behaviur test has suggested janaan is exibiting(just barely flying under the radar) is the typical behaviour of a blue why would you pressure someone as town if you they exhibited blue behaviur? That can only spell disaster for said blue, the only time its recommended is if you are scum trying to bait said blue into revealing his alignment.
The next part we see that phagga has gone from post more/null to pro town, what? How? When did this occur? He quickly moves on and says he cant bother to read jeckyl and hyde because they are a hydra, again he leaves the heavy lifting to us.
Finally he says that his reads don't mean anything and are want to change to suit his needs, conviction is a townie mark, test has none.
His 6th 7th and 8th and 9th posts happen around the same time frame three hours later, all of them are in critique of me for pressuring zell, not much to note as wrong for that, just on thing struck me as odd in this whole exchange
Zell says, + Show Spoiler +Test so good at understanding my posts <3
Umm this is the first time the two of you have interacted,youve never played with test before, yet you sound grateful here, your warmer to test in this one sentence than you have been to anyone this whole game, just seemed odd to me but its not much to go on I admit.
His 10th post involves him agreeing with other people and saying I am the best lynch suspect,
his 11th is much the same.
Why has there not been a case put out against the second biggest lurker available? A lurker who does not provide his own opinions continually proclaims himself a humble newb and tunnels the likeliest suspects? This is deeply worrying for me, I feel that if town was in control of this game test's name would've come up by now, yet somehow it hasnt.
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I am worried that scum have somehow gained control of suspicion, which is highly likely considering how few people are actually active.
Vote: TestSubject893
thats my case for the day, if I survive I'll be sure to contribute more later, any questions? Also test now you can respond to the case.
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Oh and if it turns out I am going to die(please don't lynch me though) I'll post a message for sloosh.
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I'll be on for another 10 minutes or so so try to send me questions now if you can.
Also I wasn't fishing zell, I was unsure why he was posting such sensitive information, seemed odd to me, so I pressured him. Will post a few other suspicions in case I die today(oh but please dont lynch me)
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man why is this thread so quiet, does seriously no one have any questions for me? Is test the only one interested in my accusation? This is kinda sad -_-
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On March 02 2012 07:44 Chocolate wrote: We definitely do need to post more NOW and not wait until an hour or two before the deadline. Thisis hypocritical coming from me though because I am going to be gone for 1:30 soon.
Gum where do you stand on a nightfury lynch? an alderan lynch?
If I had to pick I'd go with night cause he crushed my dreams last game and dyh's case makes some sense, though I don't find night letting us know your in the thread to be suspicious.
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On March 02 2012 07:53 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 07:39 gumshoe wrote: man why is this thread so quiet, does seriously no one have any questions for me? Is test the only one interested in my accusation? This is kinda sad -_- Because I am going to bed now. Your case comes way to late for me to consider it. My vote is cast. @all, there are currently 4 votes on gumshoe, so this is a possible lynch. I hope we do lynch someone today. I'll be online again in about 10 hours. Good night.
wow, so your completely up for lynching town without any consideration whatsoever? If my lynch goes through I desperately ask everyone to take a good look at phagga and how aggressive his play is.
That said why are we considering lynching active players in a game with this big a lurker problem?
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I mean of me chocolate alderaan and night yeah one of us probally scum, but more likely 3 of the fours is town and we are setting ourselves up for mislynching an accountable player, nttea has three fing posts, test has 13. This is insanity to me that we rather hold our own opinions above all others instead of try and deal with something that is hurting town more than any scum.
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We have said again and again we need to be more active and the best way to that is by lynching players who post every 10 hours and still expect us to take them seriously. We mislynch chocolate alderaan me or night we lose a townie who can make cases and respond, we mislynch test or nttea or sadly even jeckyl who dosent seem uber suspciucius and we lose considerably less,
Scum is going to only lynch active players, as I said active posters are 3 times more valuable in this game. So please can we lynch a lurker? Cause this high stakes play means no sense to me.
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On March 02 2012 08:24 ghost_403 wrote: Okay gumshoe, got a question for you.
Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot.
Who do you shoot?
Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses.
It comes down to phagga or sloosh, but in the end I'd end going with phagga because I dont like how aggresive he is and how he tries to destroy his opponents regardless of wether they are lynched.
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wow looking like another no lynch, personally I would prefer me getting lynched(dont really mean it qatol) to there being another no lynch, this is ridicules,preferably lets just lynch a lurker and be done with it, look nttea just voted, hes here hes just not talkingl
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On March 02 2012 08:47 ghost_403 wrote: @gumshoe Over the last day, you have said next to nothing about either of those players, other than you think phagga is aggresive. Tell me why you're so eager to shoot him with your only bullet.
because Ive been in no condition to attack them, I built my case around the person I was surest to lynch,
sloosh is more a gut thing
phagga basicaly said he was ok with a no lynch at the start of the game, saying we should only lynch scum, not lurkers
phagga attacked chocolate earlier and hasnt let up despite the fact that at points chocolate had at least look as if he had improved, he always remaind suspicius of him, which leads me to bilieve it dosent matter to him if players improve he only cares about what mistakes theyve made
I dont like how he contenuesley framed my pressuring zell as fishing for blue, I pressured zell because I dindint like that he gave us that information,
I dont like that he placed his vote on chocolate and then said I was next, because what that basicaly means is that he postions himself perfectley to see a lynch through on either of us no matter what, sure enough as it seems im the more likely lynch things he switches to me. Also by saying im next he basicaly says theres no chance of me bieng town, which isnt a townie out look.
Calls me pathetic ) : hurt my feelings,but also suggests that hes trying to destroy character regardless.
Says he wont switch his vote no matter what and that towns only bet is me.
Seems to be the most aggresive active poster and if I had to kill someone important it would be him.
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On March 02 2012 08:55 ghost_403 wrote: Yeah, we're lynching gumshoe. I'll post my reasoning in just a sec.
because I attacked my primary accusers
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Or is it because I'm trying to lynch lurkers instead of scum? Because to be honest I don't think I can tackle scum but whateves, give my reads some consideration when/if I flip green k? Gl to town. Sloosh message for you soon.
One thing though, please don't let this be a half measure, if you want to see this through do so, I don't want to hang around town another day so long as everyone's caught tunnel fever.
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On March 02 2012 09:14 ghost_403 wrote:Basically, there are two reasons that I feel comfortable lynching gumshoe today. 1) He asked for it. (Well, he took it back, but more on that in a sec.) 2) He hasn't brought anything new to the table. The first point is rather weak. While he did ask for it, he ended up taking it back. As I pointed out earlier, playing against your win condition is very, very bad. He offered a not terrible reason for this request, saying he didn't want to play. That's fine, mafia isn't for everyone. phagga (I think it was phagga) offered another explanation: he had managed to dig himself into a hole with the rolefishing (kinda/sorta/not really), and thought that he couldn't figure a way out. Playing scum in my last game, I felt the same way. It's not a bad argument to make. It wasn't enough to sell me though. The second point is the reason that I'm a lot more comfortable casting my vote on him. Scroll through page 36, and carefully read the dialog. All gumshoe really wants to do is lynch people not playing the game. nttea hadn't posted anything in two days when he made his post against him, showing me that he wasn't really playing. I consider him someone who should be modkilled, not a lurker. Honest mistake, but not the least bit helpful. He had a bit better case against test, but nothing earth shattering. That's when I asked him this. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2012 08:24 ghost_403 wrote: Okay gumshoe, got a question for you.
Let's pretend for a moment that you are a vigilante. It's the end of night 2, and you just know that you are gonna die. Mafia figured it out, and you're as good as dead. You have one shot.
Who do you shoot?
Hard mode: nttea and test are not valid responses. His response? Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 08:37 gumshoe wrote: It comes down to phagga or sloosh, but in the end I'd end going with phagga because I dont like how aggresive he is and how he tries to destroy his opponents regardless of wether they are lynched.
This response of his is based on nothing. Since the end of night 1, he has barely mentioned either of these players. There's no reason for this. I asked why. In his post, he has mostly personal reasons (sorry gumshoe ). I'll respond to his case in another post. Combine the fact that he dug himself into a hole yesterday, only wants to lynch people who aren't around to defend themselves, and the fact that when pressed he can't provide a proper opinion on a single scummy player in the game, and I you have a good enough reason for me to do the following. ##vote gumshoeAside: nttea, if you don't tell me why you voted, I'm lynching you tomorrow.
You should be sorry ghost, but its not because your right
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