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On March 10 2012 02:52 rgTheSchworz wrote: So scum have 3 special powers each night, without any restrictions.These powers do not die with the PR, such as the framer or Rb er. Woot? Is this even balanced? It costs KP to use the powers. | ||
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On March 12 2012 02:01 layabout wrote: The steps to overcoming the belief that town players will do what is best for town 1. Click on this link 2. Scroll down 3. When you reach the playerlist click on Toadesstern and rgtheschworz 4. Read through both fliters, paying particular attention to the numerous lies both of them make 5. Discover that townies lie, play anti-town and play illlogically 6. Apologise to layabout Jitsu, being able to guess whether or not a player is town or scum is quite difficult even if players are all acting sensibly. You have to learn to deal with the additional complexity introduced by players playing poorly, illogically or even against their own win condition. Just because someone is town doesn't mean its not a good idea to lynch them sometimes. If townies are shitting up the thread, playing illogically and anti-town and in general causing an atmosphere that only serves to help mafia, then getting rid of them helps town in the long run. | ||
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On March 11 2012 23:44 layabout wrote: 1. Publicly announcing who you are in PM contact with: There are situations in which it may be advantageous to announce that you have been PM-ing a player. However, announcing who you are in contact with by default shares information that is of little use to town but that scum would benefit from knowing. For example, if an all-town PM circle was established and announced immediately scum would know that all the players were town and they could then react to this. 2. I like butter 3. Obligatory MS-Paint: + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2012 04:06 layabout wrote: hmmm... it is pretty obvious and has been stated in part already. wait a minute vote mattchew unless somebody claims scum i am killing this guy MS Paint trolling post coupled with dragging a vendetta from a previous game in. I really don't like the way you are playing right now. | ||
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##Vote Caller because he claimed so support LAL, while coming up with bullshit reason to lynch Dr. H. He then turned around and claimed it was a ploy. | ||
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Jackal hasn't called me out on my massive amount of lurking. This alone to me indicates that he's probably scum. In any game where he's town he's the first person to call me out on absolutely anything. Three people 'independantly' coming up with a case against him is shady as fuck, I guarantee at least two of Caller, prpl and Curu are PMing each other. There was a handful of people pushing LAL at the start of the game, yet none of them have suggested lynching Caller after his Dr. H ploy. Why? If you follow LAL to the letter of the law, you should be pushing for Caller's lynch. I've liked what I've seen from VE so far this game. Scum should definitely be scared of him. However don't assume he's town just because he's come off of a big win in Storm. Where is Bill Murray? He almost has less posts than me and I've been around for about five minutes total. More stuff coming up as I read through the thread. | ||
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On March 14 2012 07:33 Jackal58 wrote: Oh and if it goes that way and we don't both die Prpz I have no problem being lynched. A 1 for 1 trade is worth it. Always. On March 14 2012 07:14 prplhz wrote: Jackal58 you fucking shoot tonight if you're actually town. These get facepalm posts of the day for me. Thankfully Dr. H is talking sense: On March 14 2012 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The best thing for Jackal to do is not shoot at all | ||
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On March 14 2012 21:57 Palmar wrote: Cleaning out trash, thanks Caller. I'll just confirm right now that I asked him to kill node. The reason is well... Node's last game as scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956&user=53526 This game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316574&user=53526 He has not attempted to play the game at all, it's really annoying to play with people who don't even try (rgTS I hate you), and of the shitty lurkers inhabiting this game Node seems to me like he has the highest chance of flipping scum. In addition I feel much safer with me controlling Caller's bullet and using it to clean out trash, than having him decide his own targets. Me and VE discussed Caller's alignment at length, and while we disagreed, I'm still not completely comfortable with letting caller do whatever he wants. Looking forward to this flip. If we hit scum we are in such a good position. Agreed, if Node flips scum we are in a very good position. However we would be in a better one if a medic was on VE last night. I mean who else was mafia going to kill... | ||
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On March 14 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: Why would mafia not shoot anyone but VE tonight? VE was one of the most townie people in the thread and had just come out of a game where he completely destroyed scum. If he was town he was almost guaranteed to be top of the mafia kill list. | ||
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On March 14 2012 22:15 Palmar wrote: He has also just come off a game where he actively tried to lose the game for town as town (see resistance). I agree that he's a good target anyway though. So do you think Caller is town? In addition, I'm thinking of killing you Deconduo, what do you have to say about that? If you are thinking of killing me because you think I'm scum then you're wrong. If its because I've been inactive then fair enough. I would be pushing for my lynch too. I'm stepping up my game though. | ||
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On March 14 2012 22:23 Palmar wrote: I think you're scum. Last time you were terribly wrong it was because you were scum, now you supported the whole "Jackal should not shoot" movement, while it's obviously the best thing he can do, given both his own statements about his expectations towards the game, and the fact that he was very close to being lynched last night that resulted in a no-lynch which will ensure he'll be controversial throughout the game. If he is town then not shooting was the right thing. Losing 4 townies on night 1 could very well have lost the game for us on the spot. | ||
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On March 14 2012 22:59 Palmar wrote: Jackal this is boring why don't you answer my question rather than some unimportant shit asked by some unimportant person? Because he's dodging. | ||
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On March 15 2012 07:33 Kurumi wrote: You dreamt about a mysterious figure watching people pass by during the day. You couldn't recognize their sex. When the night came, the person you saw before was busy searching for something. Suddenly, you were reading a book in your own bed with "Secrets are being unveiled" title. As soon as you read the title the entire scene disappeared. You were once again on a pitch black street and couldn't find the man or woman working secretly here before. A while passed with you standing just right in the middle of the street. You were sure - You have been warned before about violating our privacy! After that, you regained your consciousness. No way Ver or Incog wrote this. | ||
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On March 15 2012 08:45 Jackal58 wrote: Kurumi plays like this as scum and as town. That said I don't believe his role at all. It's not a role. It's gobbledegook wrapped inside a pita with nonsense sauce on it. I have grown to enjoy the absolutely nonsensical approach Kurumi brings to the table in these games but that role PM is not a role PM. Unless he has more to reveal about his role I don't buy it. Decon where the hell are you? I'm here. Voting Kurumi for his obviously faked claim. ##Vote Kurumi | ||
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On March 15 2012 16:19 Katina wrote: We should leave kurumi alone for now and focus on better lynch targets. I feel in someway he thinks he was being useful to the town. his actions through the game have been congruent with everything he has said. Im not completely sold on him yet, hes worht keeping an eye on for now. As for players like mattchew and Doctor H, they are better candidates for a lynch. Mattchew: Is scummy to me, he has been from the start. He overuses animations, and he asks a lot of questions without providing his own answers. He hasn't contributed much to the town and is pretty much useless. Not to mention his mass amount of pointless one-liners. DoctorHelvetica: He has been very inconsistent this game and that isnt helping the town. There has been a lot of fingering pointing without follow up that is just causing confusion. His lack of focus makes me wonder what's on his agenda because its not on the town. My rising suspicion right now is on Deconduo. I have looked over his filter and noticed that he doesn't contribute much of anything either. A majority of his posts are short and just basically agreeing with whoever he is quoting. He hides and doesn't come out until someone mentions him. He promised to step up his game and hasn't delivered. Hi scum. | ||
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On March 15 2012 20:55 Palmar wrote: yes. Game is complicated because I wasn't around and reading in the beginning, and no one is making enough sense for me to sheep them. Dr. H, Wiggles, you. | ||
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I'm assuming thats a troll seeing as he's the one that told Caller to shoot Node. | ||
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On March 15 2012 21:51 Palmar wrote: probably not going to flip scum though. he's just bleurgh Why would a town come up with a completely fake claim to defend Jackal? | ||
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On March 15 2012 22:56 prplhz wrote: Hey Caller, Kurumi has like 10 votes right now. Why do you suddenly want to switch to Palmar when you also think that Kurumi is scum? Like, it's not going to happen. Palmar is not going to get lynched today and you should really expend your energy on something else. This. Kurumi dies today and anyone who tries to change the lynch should be shot tonight. | ||
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What alignment would recruited Traitor flip? Is it possible for mafia to have powers other than those listed in the OP? | ||
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On March 15 2012 23:02 Palmar wrote: ##Lynch: Jackal58 Fantastic... | ||
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On March 15 2012 23:04 Palmar wrote: it's just another lynch, no reason to keep that fucker alive, he'll be dead at dusk. Oh that's not so bad. I thought you superseded the Kurumi lynch to take out Palmar. | ||
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On March 16 2012 01:59 Kurumi wrote: SOME information. That means one thing, two things, three things maybe not the exact setup! (unless You're scum and know more than me, of course, then please go ahead and tell us Your secrets.) You would have lynched me Day 1 if I said "Guys stop voting Jackal, I know there's Dreamflower present in the game and I trust him". Your cases are laughable and make no sense. I did everything I could to defend Jackal from getting lynched. It's not the first I've defended someone hard D1. My defence of Schworz was the same thing, I was 3rd party back then, but I would've done that no matter what. Guess what happened after my death? Lynching him decided the game. I wanted to look as traitor D1 to deny Mafia their guess on gaining 0.5KP. You picked up on this, but did nothing till Day 2. It makes no sense. It's obvious this lynch is scum driven. It's obvious they've tried to recruit me and it failed, so they now want to get a free lynch. I was hinting it was a plan. My role is weird. I know that. Curu himself said that the Dreamflower role is weird but remember: role is not equal to alignment! I wanted to play without lying. Figures, it would have been better if I claimed Detective and said I had a Town check on Jackal, right? My lynch is pathetic. There's only Jackal and Katina semi-defending me. Don't You think it's weird? Doesn't it ring some bells? I did not lie. But I guess.. it probably doesn't matter. Jackal, I hope Palmar isn't serious about this lynch thing... When is it possible for Mafia to use Hide Flip mechanic? Can they sacrifice their KP in advance to hide lynch flip?(Like, they use it on D2 and lose KP on N2?) Please answer no to the second one. If they hide this flip they won not only this cycle, but another one too. Why did you make up the dream? | ||
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On March 16 2012 04:06 Mattchew wrote: it has been brought to my attention that kurumi doesn't speak or type well enough in english to fake that dream. its too bold of him ##unvote People whole look really bad to me Abenson, Bill Murray, Curu, Sentinal, All are lurking and scummy EchelonTee, Gumshoe, Wiggles, Jaybrundage are also lurking but are slightly less scummy More proof that Mattchew is scum. | ||
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On March 15 2012 23:02 deconduo wrote: What alignment would Traitor flip? What alignment would recruited Traitor flip? Is it possible for mafia to have powers other than those listed in the OP? On March 16 2012 13:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What alignment does traitor flip on death? Just scum? Any chance of an answer to this? | ||
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On March 17 2012 05:33 prplhz wrote: @deconduo When and why did you choose Liquid`Sheth and Mr. Wiggles? Wiggles because of this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316574¤tpage=8#154 Sheth because he's too awesome to be mafia. I picked them pretty much as soon as the game started. | ||
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On March 17 2012 07:08 prplhz wrote: Did you talk to them about anything? The Liquid`Sheth reason is blatantly bad, I don't like that. He told us that he was going to be a non factor for quite some time because of some upcoming StarCraft 2 tournament so it seems like a pretty bad idea to talk to him. Didn't get to talk to Sheth, sent him 2 PMs but got no response. I've been on to Wiggles a fair bit. | ||
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https://docs.google.com/a/tcd.ie/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am6awLPYDPGcdFM5VHEwYm5PaEJ4MVl3bWl0Vk9WbXc#gid=0 Up to now I've only told Wiggles. I pretty sure there's no reason for mafia to kill me tonight, unless they know I'm a DT. Therefore if I die, you should have a really close look at him. I checked Palmar tonight. | ||
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On March 17 2012 12:04 jaybrundage wrote: What did you get for Palmar? Palmar chose to PM Caller and Mr. Wiggles Kurumi, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, prplhz, Curu, and sandroba have chosen to PM Palmar | ||
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On March 17 2012 12:04 Bill Murray wrote: confused by your spreadsheet It shows who people picked to PM, and who picked them to PM. | ||
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On March 17 2012 12:26 Caller wrote: ##Kill: Palmar no need to thank me guys Why on earth would Kurumi mason Palmar if he was scum... | ||
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As in, why would two scum mason each other. It makes no sense for Palmar to be mafia, because Kurumi masoned him. Unless Kurumi was a recruited traitor, Palmar is practically confirmed town. | ||
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On March 17 2012 12:41 Mattchew wrote: no... i meant that caller is scum, and he needs to kill townies Scum with multiple day-vig abilities would be way overpowered, and apart from that its not one of the scum powers listed in the OP. Caller is town, but he shot the wrong person. | ||
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On March 19 2012 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm a bit surprised mafia have a dayvig tbh. I guess we should assume they might have other roles now. Yeah, I'm very surprised by that flip. Not disappointed at all though. On March 19 2012 12:28 EchelonTee wrote: people should finish claiming who they pm'd and why by tonight, imo This, we need to finish off the chart. Anyone who hasn't claimed at this point should be put under scrutiny as well. | ||
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On March 19 2012 13:18 EchelonTee wrote: can you check pm of dead people? also decon ur list has Node on the living portion I'll ask, and fixed. | ||
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On March 20 2012 05:15 prplhz wrote: @deconduo Can you give us all of your PMs with Mr. Wiggles? Nope. I don't consider him scum right now, so it would serve no purpose. My first check was on Wiggles, gave this result: Mr. Wiggles chose to PM nobody. EchelonTee , Palmar, deconduo, and layabout have chosen to PM Mr. Wiggles. This is already in the spreadsheet. | ||
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Arsonist: Each night sets a prime, following that night can trigger prime at any time. I've also been PMing him and that has strengthened my feelings about his townishness. Finally, most people seem to have missed this: On March 20 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote: Bill Murray is checked town by Palmar (OMG NEW INFO) he told this to me before his death post Also, my check from last night: Katina chose to PM nobody prplhz has chosen to PM Katina | ||
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On March 20 2012 21:30 jaybrundage wrote: Hm, the question then is are we going to trust Mattchew. Mattchew, Bill Murray Seems like a very unnecessary and risky gambit to take for scum. If either flip red at any point, we lynch the other. Mattchew, Bill Murray Why would Mattchew claim the check? Just keep quiet and there's one less confirmed town. Mattchew, Bill Murray Unlikely, but the worst case scenario, BM was covered the night Palmar checked him. Mattchew, Bill Murray Most likely scenario. For now I see no reason not to believe Mattchew. As I also said, BM's play and his PMs lead me to believe he is town. | ||
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On March 20 2012 22:12 Mattchew wrote: katina PM'd me btw When? | ||
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On March 20 2012 22:13 Mattchew wrote: decon I would like to know your reasoning behind checking katina, were you not allowed to check dead people? because a scum's masons are much more valuable then a townies Not allowed check dead people. | ||
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At what time exactly did you mason Kurumi, and why? | ||
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On March 20 2012 23:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: School is blocking the last three pages of this thread, we have a retarded-ass filter. Back in 4 hours to see what's up. Who did you mason | ||
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-A mafia probably masoned him, as his picks have flipped town. -We know Dr.H picked him. The only other possible candidates are Abenson who is about to flip anyway, and Curu. Consider that for a bit. | ||
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##Vote Dr. Helvetica Only person who could have recruited Kurumi to the scum team. | ||
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On March 24 2012 00:11 layabout wrote: This seems to be very reliant on Deconduo. Why do we think he is town again? Regardless of whether you think I'm town or not, my role has been pretty much confirmed. On top of that, no one has said anything in the spreadsheet is wrong, so you can check it yourself. As for Kurumi, I find it very difficult to believe that he wasn't the traitor. -He thought Jackal was scum, so he made up the dreamer role to defend him from getting lynched. This would absolutely never have happened if he was scum, as he would know Jackal was town. -His made up dream was riddled with grammatical errors. Why not get Caller or any other teammate to spellcheck it first if he was scum. Why would his team even LET him post it. -The rattata post which was blatantly claiming traitor. Also given how Caller tried to recruit sentinel, its fairly obvious that scum were going to pm the traitor to make sure before recruiting them. | ||
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On March 25 2012 10:16 Curu wrote: Well looks like it's Wiggles lynch or no lynch. I would much rather a Dr. H lynch, but a no lynch is much worse than a wiggles lynch. | ||
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Dr. Helvetica chose to PM VisceraEyes. ##Vote DoctorHelvetica USA USA USA | ||
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On March 26 2012 12:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I PM'd Protactinium about it because if that is the information you received then it was a major mistake on his part of keeping track of actions. Meh, you're right. made a mistake on that, sorry. Dr. H chose to PM both Kurumi and VE Doesn't make you any less scum though, just means I didn't catch you lying. So I'm not changing my vote. | ||
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On March 28 2012 04:32 Bill Murray wrote: I already tried to lynch DoctorH Apparently people weren't satisfied with that I am green checked, and it is LYLO, so you all need to vote with me If I'm voting you, and you're town, you better appeal to me My vote as of right now is going onto Katina She just contradicted herself - twice 1) Katina attacks dr.H for muddying the waters in relation to my confirmation. Katina then attacks me in PMs to layabout. That's a snake in the grass if I've ever seen one, trying to keep out of the public eye 2) Katina attacks Dr.H for making excuses in relation to the time they have in the thread, after literally just doing so: and then attacks dr.h? I feel like scum pushed 2 mislynched yesterday, and they're just happy trying to ride this one as a counterwagon If Deconduo doesn't come off this lynch, I'm probably going to have to resignedly hop back onto it, as I'm 100% sure he is town at this point... if it's dr.h/layabout/echelon hats off to you gentlemen, but I'm just not buying dr.h as scum he has been pushed way too much all game, and still being pushed in LYLO? feels like a mislynch ##vote: katina I trust your reads more than mine. I also agree that its suspicious that no one has defended Dr, H at all this game. ##Unvote ##Vote Katina | ||
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