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Now to hunt some scum. | ||
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-called him stupid and bad -telling everyone I was willing to lynch him, but was happy to lynch other people -said it was no big loss if he had been lynched We were both town. Newbie Mini Mafia IV, for reference. That being said, it is curious that Dirk hasn't shown up to defend himself. | ||
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And now, I'm very hungry and a little drunk. (Celebrating the fact that my stats prof clearly thinks I know more about stats than I do based on my grade in the course. She must have screwed something up. Seriously.) Time for dinner. @lanaia: I really want to know who you think is scum. Hard mode: Answer anyone other than Dirk. | ||
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Now, my sitting back has become inactivity, which is something that needs to change. | ||
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The thing that I find most interesting is the fact that Bluelightz has responded to none of the recent criticizms while he has been paying attention in the thread. Of note is the fact that he posted 20min after PalmarDirk's derp moment (here), while ignoring the fact that a bandwagon was forming against him. Townie who doesn't care, or scum who knows he's going to get lynched? Either way, that makes him a pretty decent lynch target. Other than that, he's posted nothing of substance in the thread. Out of everyone else who's currently being voted: Kenpachi: I'm thinking 3rd party aligned with town Bluelightz: see above Dirk: I'm willing to trust JJ at the time being on this one, and not vote against him today. However, I would expect better play from Palmar. Mr. Wiggles, Sbrubbles, and Kita I have null reads on at the moment, and I'm going to go fix that right now. If I had more time, I would read into the rest of the filters, but I'm headed out in an hour or so. I think I'll just start at the top of the list and work my way down. @Dirk: JJ says you have some kind of town aligned power or something. Care to expand on that at all? | ||
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On March 21 2012 22:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok, I'm not going to have time to completely finish this, but this is what I wrote. It's pretty straight-forward, so you should be able to see the same things, just read his filter. I think ghost_403 is likely scum. A couple other people pointed him out in the thread, and I noticed the same things when I read his filter. The first thing I notice right off the bat, is that he's the one who started the silliness about Wheatley changing win conditions. On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote: Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role: I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something. The reason this is scummy, is because it has no basis in the game, and is completely based on external flavour. So, it serves only to: 1)Spread distrust 2)Cause pointless discussion and distract from the game 3) Be pointless Then he flip-flops on his reads. I'll try to post more when I get back. =/ I'll take a few minutes to respond to Mr. Wiggles' points. Spreading distrust? Only against Wheatly. I've played portal 2. I don't trust Wheatly. Take it or leave it. Pointless distraction? I was trying to keep the town focused on Day 1 with posts like these. Being pointless? I am a ghost, no sharp edges here. Flip flop? Draz was a bad lynch, then I left, then he became a good lynch. I explicitly said that he needs to go at some point. That point wasn't before I left. Then he starts acting scummy, and becomes a good lynch. I don't see that as a flip flop at all. | ||
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I took some time to look through the first couple of filters. The only one that really stuck out to me was Zephridd's filter. I wasn't impressed with his posts thus far, they seem useless for the most part. If I had caught onto it 24hrs ago, I would have pressured him today. I'll put him on the back burner for the time being; I think bringing up cases this late in the day is counterproductive. And now, I'm out for the next couple of hours. I leave you all with ##vote bluelightz for the reasons detailed in my earlier post. | ||
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On March 22 2012 08:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So, I'm going to actually write out why I believe ghost_403 is scum. 1Someone said that he actually wasn't the first one to bring up the possible changing wheatley win condition, but my point still stands, and even changes a bit now. + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote: Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role: I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something. His post was phrased in a way that I thought he was the first one to bring it up. However, it turns out he wasn't, so then this post still looks weird. It's still baseless, and still useless, but the thought isn't even original now. This post contributes nothing to the discussion, and it still spreads distrust of the Wheatley role, before we even have any idea what it does. As well, I don't think the discussion on Wheatley changing victory conditions has any merit. We can't be 100% sure that Velinath was town to begin with, no matter how much we think so, so we need to continue scrutinizing him as the game goes on. So, him changing his victory condition, is no different than him being scum maintaining a well made facade, that only crumbles on later days. The point is that he only shows his scummy colours later into the game. The situations are analogous, so the Wheatley conjecture was a complete waste of time. Discussing it was just making posts that look like they're contributing, while they provide nothing at all. 2Next, is the flip-flopping on Drazerk and Dirk. Normally, I don't consider flip-flopping to be a scum-tell, and being on the Draz lynch doesn't make someone town, the same as being off it doesn't make them scum (depending on the reasons given). However, the way ghost_403 flip-flopped makes it look like he was worried about blending in to the crowd. He makes these posts, saying that he doesn't want to lynch Draz, but instead Dirk: + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2012 00:24 ghost_403 wrote: Eventually. As of right now, he's no danger to the town. His roleclaim has told us that we don't really need to listen to him, and now that we have his death-flavor/whatever, we'll know when he kills people. If he starts killing townies, we lynch him. Otherwise, I think we should leave him alone and concentrate on finding people who are a threat to the town. On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote: Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party. ##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. On March 18 2012 01:30 ghost_403 wrote: @JJ - I agree with you that Drazerk is a safe lynch, but I don't think it's optimal town play. Saying 16hrs into Day 1 that we should lynch a third party because it's safe discourages discussion about possible lynches. Because of that, even though you are right, I am going to say that I will not vote Drazerk today. Eventually, he will have to go, but as for right now we need to focus on scum. As for your second point that a newb would be a safer Wheatly vote, I don't know how I feel about that. That just screams to the scum to push a newb on their team for the position, which makes then as dangerous, maybe even more dangerous, as a veteran. Right now, Velinath seems like a better option to me, but I reserve the right to change my vote is someone better comes to light. On March 18 2012 22:06 ghost_403 wrote: I still don't think Drazerk is scum. By claiming his role, he's put a timer on himself. It's not a question of if we'll lynch him, it's a question of when. He's got until then to kill Gandalf and get out of the game. In addition, he's removed his ability to persuade the town on any votes. We're not going to listen to him. At best, he's third party. Drazerk is a safe lynch. Let's leave him alone for the time being, and focus on finding scum. I'm going to take a minute or two to read up and weigh in on a Dirk lynch. On March 18 2012 22:13 ghost_403 wrote: I think we could do a lot worse than lynching Dirk. He's either a lazy/useless townie or scum. I'm running out the door at the moment, so I'll put some more thought into it when I get back. These posts are all consistent. Also, notice that he's saying Dirk is the better lynch, even after he knows that Drazerk is third-party. There's nothing wrong with this intrinsically, but what follows makes ghost_403 look pretty scummy to me. After the lynch looks like it's pretty set on Drazerk, and Draz begins his rampage through the thread, this is when ghost_403 decides to hop onto the wagon: On March 19 2012 01:38 ghost_403 wrote: Sigh. I try to lynch insane play, and it turns out he's a townie. (last game) I try not to lynch insane play, and he admits to being scum. Just can't win. ##vote: Drazerk And he turns around on his read on Dirk: On March 20 2012 05:59 ghost_403 wrote: A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote. As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss. ghost_403 was still ready to lynch someone else instead of Drazerk, even after he claimed third party, and never gave any indication that he thought that Dirk was a bad lynch, or that Drazerk was a better one until these posts. Interesting to note, is the timing of these posts. These come only after many people all decided to hop onto the Drazerk lynch, and others, notably active posters like JayJay and Gonzaw, said in the last few pages that they didn't like the Dirk lynch. More than anything, this looks like someone who was trying to push a view-point, but seeing that not many people supported it, and others actively thought the opposite, he decided to jump ship and flip-flop in order to hide in the crowd. There is no intermediate reasoning for either of his changes in reads, only a complete turnaround on both of them, that seems to come out of thin air. 3This tells me that ghost_403 is conscious of sticking out, and wants to remain hidden, which suggests that he is scum, and even further, likely third-party or sleeper cell. That's my reasoning for thinking that ghost_403 is scum, and was a good lynch for day 2. Like I said, I was busy, so I didn't have time to write this all up yesterday, and only had something like 15-20 minutes of free time this morning. I like the fact that I've already addressed most of this post here, but apparently not well enough. Verbose mode engaged! 1) I don't trust Wheatley. What I am trying to say is even if Velinath is town (and I believe he is town, or at least town aligned), I still don't trust Wheatly. It doesn't make sense for the hosts to introduce the character Wheatly without having him act like Wheatly, which involves eventually screwing over the test subjects. Regardless of Velinath's alignment, I am going to be keeping a close eye on him to make sure that he is working in our best interests, and maybe even hold him accountable for the things seemingly outside his control which end up hurting us. I posted it in a way that presents it like it's my thought because it is. I'm basing this not off someone else's thoughts, but as my own. Can't prove it, but I'm sticking to that. Also, you've confused "addressing" with "discussing". I never asked other people to start talking about this. These are merely my thoughts. I'm not trying to distract the thread here, I'm just making sure that other people know where I stand on the issue. 2) I did not flip flop on the Draz issue. At the time of the first post, Draz was acting as a neutral third party. As third party, Draz eventually has to go. I mention that here, which you actually quote in your post. As a neutral third party, Draz does have to eventually be lynched. However, it is far better play for the town to lynch him later in the game. Presenting him as a surefire lynch at the beginning of the day effectively kills all discussion for the rest of the day. It's far better to try to find and lynch scum, then lynch Draz later if/when that fails. For instance, if we spent the day discussing a possible lynch, and are then persuaded by a blue claim not to lynch that candidate. That is a much better time to lynch Draz. As it happened, after I made those posts saying that a Draz lynch was suboptimal, I leave, and come back to Draz giving items to the scum team for whatever reason. At this point, to me, Draz switches from a neutral third party to someone dangerous to the town. At best, he's a liar, which is bad for the town. At worst, he just admitted to being aligned with the scum. At any rate, at this point I view him as being the best lynch candidate. He's got to go, and he's dangerous to us. 3) I don't know why people keep saying this to me. I'm not afraid to stand out, or stand alone. I expect you, and everyone else in the town, to hold me accountable to the things that I say, and point out where you think there are discrepancies. I suppose I could have been a bit more verbose in my earlier posts to show you greater consistency. I'll fix that. If there's anything here that you feel I addressed poorly, point it out, and we can discuss it. | ||
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On March 23 2012 00:55 zelblade wrote: Gosh I cant sleep >_< Kita being companion cube might be possible, but theres another possibility you guys are missing out on. The companion cube seems to be controlled by scum, and its highly likely that they could have posted that on purpose simply to incriminate kita. I highly doubt that hes going to make such a hugeee slip, and look at what palmar did when he realised he derped. He sort of explained it immediatedly upon realising that he posted on a wrong account. I agree this is wierd and want to hear kita on this matter, but we should avoid jumping to conclusions. Uh, what? What makes you think that CC is scum aligned? It hasn't done anything yet, other than be amazing (by the virtue of being Companion Cube. <3 ). Until it does something, I don't think we can analyze the significance of this apparent slip up. | ||
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