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On March 09 2012 15:36 GreYMisT wrote: Voting rules: [...] 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6.This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place. [...] A Paradox to kill of Wheatley? | ||
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For all those who wonder if the Balrog role ever appeared in another Mafia game, it was used in a TL IRC Mafia game hosted by igrok. You can find the transcript in the Mafia 2012 Awards Thread. Radfield was a Survivor Balrog with the following role description: 03:58:41<+IGROK> SURVIVOR BALROG YOU ARE SURVIVOR, GANDALF MUST BE DEAD, HAVING THE RING MAKES YOU BULLETPROOF concerning the Wheatley role: On March 18 2012 00:55 ghost_403 wrote: Just my thoughts on the Wheatly role: I'm not ever going to trust Wheatly. IIRC, Wheatly screws over Chell in Portal 2 by taking control of Aperture, despite his best intentions. I can see this going the same way. Wheatly begins the game by helping the town, then gets a new wincon where he has to kill us all or something. I would for this very reason propose that whoever gets Wheatley gets lynched or vigged on D2 or 3. This way we should be able to prevent Wheatley to do real damage to town. I'm gonna read through some filters again and post some more later. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:31 Drazerk wrote: ##Vote: GLaDOS Well I think I can now say that because of what item he gave me kenpachi is 100% town and killing glados is the best action the town can do today. You are aware that killing GLaDOS might put Wheatley into her place? At least if we keep close to the game lore. | ||
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On March 18 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler + So I was hoping someone else would catch this, but I don't like zelblade's post here: Taking a look at his filters from his previous games SNMMVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=311554&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, no EBWOPS used. NMMIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All Numerous minor typos, 2 EBWOPS used, but to add additional info to posts, never to correct errors with apostrophes and the like. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314813&user=240873¤tpage=All In fact, changing "link" to "links" doesn't even alter the information presented in the post-- it's just a typo, the kind of which you regularly overlook. It adds no information to the post. Now wait a second, blzinghand, this all seems pretty inconsequential to me. Yeah, whatever, zelblade did an out-of-character EBWOP that looked pretty strange. But that's not scum behavior at all... like why would you even make a post like that, lol. noob. you sound like a bronze leaguer to me My god, why are you so BM? Stfu for a moment and listen to my explanation. Your question is legitimate, though, so I'll address it. We know there are other Sleeper agents in this game. It's possible that this unnecessary, out-of-character EBWOP was an attempt by zelblade to communicate his identity to the other cell agents. I was hoping someone else would notice this, but apparently nobody did, because nobody else is a paranoid motherfucker like I am. I'd like to hear your opinions though-- do I have a leg to stand on when I ##vote: Zelblade ? I think you do have a leg to stand on, specially as he made several other types which were more severe and were not EBWOPed. On March 17 2012 22:58 zelblade wrote: Maybe we threaten him with the lynch is he randomly fires again? On March 17 2012 22:53 zelblade wrote: Wait a sec just looked at LOTR... wasnt barlog a fakeclaim by a scum player? On March 17 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote: Care to claim your previous and current wincon than? I dont like MG's and Grackoni's VT claims, since this is a highly themed setup and its quite possible that VT doesnt exsist the last two are even from the very same post where he EBWOPed the "link" typo. Why fix only the "link" one and not the other two? It might be a bit of a stretch, and I don't think it justifies a lynch already, but it's noteworthy. | ||
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On March 18 2012 08:14 Velinath wrote: The one thing that stands out is that "link" to "links" is the only one of those typos that actually changed the content of the sentence (which is something that was brought up on the last page). Does that mean anything? No idea, but it should be noted anyway. Ok, perhaps my english just sucks (third language), but how exactly does it change the content? for me it was obvious on the first read that he missed an s. | ||
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##Vote Dirk Hardpec We need to keep an eye on zelblade. His postings do not reflect the same boldness he had in other games. He has only been talking about Drazerk and asking questions to Drazerk. I agree with others that Drazerk might be a lynch candidate, but not on day 1. It's hard to tell what is true and what not about his claims, and I certainly do not believe everything he wrote. For the election, Blazinghand is a valid candidate, Velinath might be as well. However, I still feel we will have the need to get rid of Wheatley somewhere later on, so I'm not sure if I want to send a competent townie on the post. As someone else mentioned, perhaps vote one of the lesser players for that role. I will therefore hold my election vote back for the moment. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:18 Blazinghand wrote: Ah yes you're right an incompetent guy is the right guy to give power to I just want to avoid that we are giving one of the better players this role and one day later we have to vigi him because he suddenly turns against town. there are people in here trying to kill GLaDOS. Have you played the game? After GLaDOS gets put in a potato, Wheatley runs the show, and it's not a good thing. That's what I'm afraid of. | ||
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On March 18 2012 09:29 Blazinghand wrote: Fair enough. I still consider the chief goal to avoid electing a power role to Wheatley. We want someone as (rule-wise) worthless as possible, since if he turns, we won't lose hard assets for the town. I also thing we want someone who's definitely town. So... me. Another thought (and I'm not sure this will work) is that we could just never kill GLaDOS, and Wheatley won't turn evil? that should work too, as long as GLaDOS is not preventing a town win. I'm off to bed now. I'll put my election vote out tomorrow after thinking some more about it. | ||
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On March 19 2012 04:02 kitaman27 wrote: Are you accusing me of being a lurker? I'm carefully observing the thread and posting when its beneficial to me? Why was it beneficial for you to wait so long with posting? A lot of your quotes were made quite some time ago. And how were we supposed to know that you were "carefully observing the thread" and not lurking? | ||
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##Unvote: Dirk Hardpec ##Vote: Drazerk Also, going through the Filters again, blzinghand looks more town to me than Velinath. he is much sexier and handsome than Velinath, so he must be town. I'd rather errect blzinghand. ##Elect: blzinghand On March 19 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote: I have 2 pages of filter; if you can't find the "decent points" it's your own fault. I'm making all the effort I can to make my points clear and easy to read, I'm not Blazinghand from Purgatory Mafia, so please stop this crap Lol, you might have only 2 pages of filter, but each of your post is at least 3 times more than the average post size in this thread. And many are formatted horribly. Really, it's a pain in the ass to read your posts, and I've already skipped several for the time being. On March 19 2012 05:24 Nisani201 wrote: also I find it weird that I haven't been on anyone's lurker lists. Am I really that good at flying under the radar? O.o Do you actually read the thread? On March 19 2012 06:15 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm? Not saying it was beneficial. I wasn't home all day with 6 hours of travel, St. Patricks Day and a dead harddrive. Just saying I'm not lurking yeah, sorry, my reading comprehension failed. Forget I asked. I was on the road today for more hours than the day has (or at least it feels like that), and I'm tired as hell. I'm off to bed. | ||
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On March 19 2012 06:42 gonzaw wrote: Huh? *sigh* I won't discuss this with you if that's what you think. I hope other players think otherwise. I would advise you not to "skip" any of my posts. What if I'm scum? Will you just let me off the hook as easily as that? LOL You're not mafia. Also, don't worry, I will read through your filter again later on. On March 19 2012 06:42 gonzaw wrote: phagga, you've been keeping your attention to a small pool of players, and a pool of players everybody else has kept their attention on as well. So what do you think about the other players? What do you think about Rayzor, Lanaia, Zephird, Midnight, etc, etc ,etc? What you don't seem to understand is that not everyone has the same amount of time available to participate in this game. I have a family with 2 kids which limits my time drastically, especially on weekends. In a game like this where the thread fills up so fast it is already hard enough for me to keep up. So when I'm gonna analyse someone or something, I do it in my order on the people that I want to, and I'm not gonna make any errand runs for other players until I have the feeling it really helps us all. Also, I don't give out town reads unless absolutely necessary. On March 19 2012 12:21 gonzaw wrote: @Grack: Is this a joke then? Are you fake-claiming for shit and giggles? Seriously, for you being so active in the thread you clearly misread this hard. It was very obvious that this was a joke. Generally, I like that you try to keep everyone active. If you read through the newbie minis I've played (Newb Mini IV, SNMMVIII), you know that I take a hard stance on lurkers. But you will also see that I'm never one of those with the big filters, because I only speak up when I think I have something relevant to say or I need to explain my actions (like now). On March 19 2012 13:35 gonzaw wrote: There's a very simple way to determine if Drazerk lied or not about giving his items to someone else (Cell Leader or not) now that I think about it: -If you got the "Portal Gun", "Maia Gun", or "Angry Core" once Drazerk was lynched, then claim you got it. If this was the case, then Drazerk was indeed bullshiting about that and we can just forget about it. If nobody claims, then perhaps he did give his items to someone else, but it's also likely the items went to scum/3rd party. The point is that Drazerk's role made his items obsolete, so there's no harm in claiming you got them, right? (Unless I'm missing something). I think claminig items is not a good move at this point. As Drazerk's role showed there are 3rd parties and perhaps even scum out there that are dayvigs, it will be easy for them to get certain items if they need them. So I'd rather if people hold back with their item claims for now. | ||
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On March 19 2012 09:15 willz22912 wrote: Regarding you Gonzaw, do you not fear for your life by being the most active poster? If you keep asking everyone questions and you are personally keeping track of everyone, why wouldn't you be the first one killed this night? Do you think scum have already found out blue roles, I don't think so. If you are town, you should back off and not present yourself as a target with your activity. If you are scum, you would just keep posting because you know you won't be a target. Do you have any response to this logic? This does not make any sense. You imply that he is an asset to town, then say he should stop contributing because if he keeps contributing that makes him mafia? Wasn't it supposed to be the other way round? Also, Is it not in the interest of town that greenies present themself as possible night targets to avoid that the blues get hit? Are you rolefishing? | ||
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On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote: Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking: Currently lurking: -Mr Wiggles -Kitaman27 -Ghost_403 -Blazinghand -sinani -Lanaia -Paperscraps -Nisani201 -Adam4167 -Cwave -Cyber_Cheese -RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case) -MidnightGladius -Maverick32x Players that lurked until few moments ago: -Zephird -zelblade -blubdavid -Bluelightz -Dirk Hardpec So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking. What is your definition of lurking, please? There are people on this list that have over 2 filter pages worth of ingame posts (and not only filler) and just were not active in the last 18 hours. I do agree with a huge part of the list though. On March 19 2012 03:00 blubbdavid wrote: Because I am town. Same as I was in Kaller. Rule of thumb: blubbdavid posts little or only crap = blubbdavid is town then why should town keep you around if you aren't of any use and we can never be sure if you are not scum? Better safe then sorry I say, a good target for a vig. | ||
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On March 20 2012 10:20 MidnightGladius wrote: Ugh, I hate the janitor effect :/. The 3 "burned to death" deaths have a detail that seems unlikely to be coincidental: the three players are right next to each other on the player list. This sounds exactly like the RPG item described in the original "Blackaller Market," which leads me to a few conclusions: - "burned to death" is probably not the mafia kill flavor - The original target was Cyber_Cheese. Cwave and RayzorFlash were collateral damage - The mafia killed one of gonzaw, Blazinghand, or Foolishness. As gonzaw was obviously killed by KALTHAZAR, the mafia must have killed one of BH or Foolishness, and the other was more likely hit by 3rd party or a 2nd mafia KP than a town-aligned vigilante. Ultimately, I highly doubt that mafia has 3 KP right now. I don't want to kill GlaDOS. I think doing so would be an excruciatingly bad idea. I'm still not impressed with ghost's posting since after I noted him as lurking. He clearly didn't read properly about Kenpachi's campaign to kill GlaDOS, and he's only been making some general comments, without making any direct scum reads. That offer still stands, by the way. I like this post very much. This probably means there were 4 Kp at work at night (with 1KP having collateral damage), and at least 1 of them (RIIIIIIIIIIFT) was probably one shot (3rd Party, and Drazerk was one-shot as well). So for the next nights, the KP would probably be around 2 to 3 (sleeper cell, Mafia, and perhaps another 3rd party or an item). Off to more important stuff: While I do agree that Dirk Harpec makes a good lynch target, I would like to point out the behaviour of two other people as well. ghost_403: When I last played with him (and he was town) he was quite aggressiv. He constantly called out lurkers, pointing out logical flaws and putting pressure on people, see here In this game, there is nothing of that. Instead: On March 18 2012 01:13 ghost_403 wrote: Drazerk never had to claim. Clearly, he didn't think that he was a threat to the town, at least for the time being. Focusing on lynching him out of the game right now is counterproductive. Today, we need to be more concerned about electing a Wheatly and finding a good lynch, rather than focus on some neutered third party. ##elect velinath because he seems to understand this. And then he goes on for the rest of the day to talk about Drazerk, which he just wrote that it won't help us. After the lynch, the only notable post is this one where he defends himself and shortly talks about Dirk (like everyone else does). On March 20 2012 05:59 ghost_403 wrote: A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote. As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss. I get the feeling that he is trying to stay away from discussions, and I don't like that. blubbdavid You have not reacted at all to my comment that you would make a good vigshot, why not? You are still only posting one liners, and as you write yourself, most is uninformed crap that is either plain wrong (which you would know if you payed attention in the thread) or irrelevant. Why should town keep you around? | ||
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@Maverick On March 21 2012 11:08 Maverick32x wrote: I may be setting myself up here.. but my role PM talks about Glados as someone I should get rid of... kind of like a background story... not a 'main objective'....is it possible that people like Paperscraps who are making a big deal out of this.... are people who didn't get similar PM's? (ie: scum/3rd party?) Are you sure you are reading it correctly? I actually understood some flavor wrong in my Role PM, which could have had an interesting effect on my voting patterns. However, after asking back to GreyMist, he explained that it was just flavor. So perhaps you want to make sure with the hosts you understood it right. | ||
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When I compare it with this game he lacks that kind of effort. The "Analysis" on Kenpachi is just tons of quotes. Most of his posts are questions and one-liners that don't really add anything to the game. His list is hurried. His activity as gone back drastically since the 18th. Also, Both his case on kenpachi and the list just look as if they were made to please town. He jumps target on D1 saying that Drazerk is the best lynch, then votes Sinani because he lurked, not explaining why Drazerk should not be dangerous anymore. Later he writes that Drazerk is a good lynch. It is also unclear why he picked Sinani from all the lurkers. There were so many on D1, he never really explained why he wanted him. All this leads me to believe that he is scum. ##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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On March 22 2012 01:58 Jayjay54 wrote: well, if you look through his filter, it is all cotton candy. He literally posts no single read. It's fluff. then again, I learned he is a new player... memmtoss, david, mav and shrubbles too I think. This doesn't make things easier... This is at least ghosts third game, I was in another two games with him were we both lived pretty long (D4 at least). All I can say is that this reaction On March 21 2012 06:56 ghost_403 wrote: @phagga - You posted earlier that I've been inactive this game compared to previous, and you're right. I'm trying to do a better job at scum hunting this game. If you look back at the two games I've played previous, the players I've argued with the most both turned out to be town. If I see someone behaving scummy, I won't hesitate to call them out, but otherwise I'm going to resign myself to taking it easy and making sure that the town doesn't do something stupid. Seemed to work well finding sloosh in the last game, hoping for a repeat performance. Now to hunt some scum. is not the townGhost_403 from last game, where he was a vigi. Also, notice the last sentence. All that followed were five short posts that offer no insight on who he thinks is scum. I may be biased, as we are both no vets in this game and have played together in different constellations. Nevertheless, I don't like his play in this game. | ||
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On March 22 2012 02:25 Jayjay54 wrote: See? This is the foolishness case. It is wrong! He was the second player after me to vote Drazek. He didn't join the bandwagon. He started it with me. That post at that time was completely appropriate. He voted Draz for the right reasons way earlier than most of you guys. I don't know why everyone thinks that this post didn't add anything... This is what happens when you take posts out of context. Also palmar: it's sad that I have to defend you here, because you don't care. He did? On March 18 2012 00:56 Dirk Hardpec wrote: + Show Spoiler + No matter how much I think about it, Drazerk's successful shooting says nothing about his alignment. It is a reasonable approach for almost every faction except for town, and town is the faction most prone to take unreasonable approaches to the game. What I find more interesting is the fact that he claims to be third party. No matter how you look at it, the only faction I can possibly think of benefitting from being thought of as third party is mafia. It is strictly inefficient for town to be thought of as third party as that will lead to an eventual lynch of that person, you cannot go into situation where one lynch will lose the game carrying a claimed third party on your back. This is however perfectly acceptable for someone who just wants to extend his life cycle for a while, ie: mafia. I guess it is also possible that he is indeed a third party and is trying to make an alliance with us, but it seems very unlikely as most third parties tend to be at severe disadvantage when they get figured out. In sense, it makes no sense from a balance standpoint to create a third party in a game, and then make it possible for us to leave that third party alive, might as well be town then. This is why I don't believe his claim, I think Drazerk is scum and I want to lynch him. I guess I can't say I disbelieve his role claim as the flavor fits, however I do disbelieve his alignment claim. ##Vote Drazerk He voted Drazerk because he thought that Drazerk was scum and that his 3rd party claim was wrong. Barely anyone shared that train of though as far as I remember and it turned out to be wrong. Perhaps he already recognised the increasing antitown behaviour of Drazek (in hindsight, it was clearly noticeable at this point), but if so, he did not really mention it in his post. However, I do give him credit that he came up with an original thought and not just bandwagoned blindly. | ||
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bluelightz: 8 -- blubbdavid; Velinath; Kenpachi; zelblade; phagga; Jayjay54; MidnightGladius; Maverick32x Dirk Hardpec: 4 -- Grackaroni; Nisani201; sinani206; Paperscraps; Kenpachi: 2 -- Zephirdd; willz22912; kitaman27: 1 -- Dirk Hardpec Mr. Wiggles: 1 -- kitaman27 ghost_403: 1 -- Mr. Wiggles sbrubbles: 1 -- Hassybaby Majority is 12 votes! | ||
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On March 22 2012 05:01 ghost_403 wrote: @phagga: You're right, this isn't me from most of our last game. The first few days, I beat on two players mercilessly, who both turned out to be townies. After that, I cooled down for the final day, and tried to guide the town discussion, specifically by trying to stop sloosh and DoYouHas from bickering and wasting the day. I did a lot better at finding scum the last day than the first two, which is why I've been trying to sit back a bit in this game. Now, my sitting back has become inactivity, which is something that needs to change. So how about you stop making excuses and actually start to post some scum reads? | ||
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People I would shoot if I had a gun: Nisan201: Look at his filter. 1st page only oneliners, 2nd page joins the Kenpachi bandwagon and votes Bluelightz because he has the most votes: On March 22 2012 07:17 Nisani201 wrote: Putting my vote on Bluelightz as well. There was much more discussion about Dirk throughout today and I had no idea that Bluelightz had more votes than him. ##Vote: Bluelightz WTF? Kenpachi: One-liners, no analysis, fixed on killing GLaDOS, probably 3rd party. Sbrubbles: Has barely posted anything. No reads, only questions and remarks about game mechanics. Managed to post exactly 3 Posts in the last 72 hours. People that I'm ok with if they get vigged/lynched: blubbdavid: He was called out be several people that his game is subpar and that he should start to contribute. He makes an half-assed attempt and then falls back to asking questions and making irrelevant comments. | ||
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On March 23 2012 10:57 Maverick32x wrote: Nisani is lieing. Willz visited Dirk last night. #vote Nisani On March 23 2012 11:02 zelblade wrote: Reread wills pm maverick On March 23 2012 11:07 Maverick32x wrote: WELL!!! That's embarrassing... /walks away slowly..... So you both got a PM from Willz? Any possibility that you guys post it / explain what stands in it? | ||
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On March 23 2012 19:18 zelblade wrote: His role pm which was revealed on flip. Why are people so dense? Calm down. I misread, that happens to people that aren't as perfect as you. | ||
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On March 22 2012 22:52 Nisani201 wrote: Phagga read again. I was suspicious of bluelightz much before I voted him. As I explained earlier, I didn't vote for him before because I thought there were more votes on Dirk. You had zero explanation on why he is scum. I admit I misread the "so he goes to my scumlist" phrase, but it does not change anything about your general behaviour which has been barely helpful for most of D1 to N2. On March 22 2012 06:29 ghost_403 wrote: I hate making lists. I think it's scummy. So I'm not going to. I have notes on the three remaining lynch candidates, and I think that they are all bad lynches at this point in time. If someone really wants to know what I think about one of them, ask, but I'm not going to post a list for the sake of posting a list. I don't want you to post lists. I want to hear a read or two from you. Because You are still talking about anything else then lynch targets, which should still have priority for town. Also, it's still early in the day. So how about you come out with a target or two now that you would want to get lynched? Or would you like to wait again until you have to choose someone that you think is a bad lynch? On March 23 2012 19:51 zelblade wrote: Don't worry im not perfect either. Just a little annoyed that quite a few people don't seem to be reading the thread. Sorry if that offended you. It's hard to keep up with the thread sometimes, and the last 5 pages were so filled with information I started to mix things up. It seems I have start to read more careful though, as it is like the third time in this game that I have to back out of something. | ||
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On March 23 2012 19:54 Dirk Hardpec wrote: Haven't read the thread yet. I have a lemon. Nisani's bus on bluelightz was basically a scumclaim ##Vote Nisani201 There's no vote in the voting thread... | ||
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I'll try to put up a list with current lynch candidates. | ||
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Concerning Nisani201: JayJay54 has him cornered, and I am convinced that he is scum too. Should we run danger to miss a majority, I'll happily switch my vote to him. ##Unvote: Sbrubbles ##Vote: Sinani206 | ||
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On March 26 2012 10:14 Jayjay54 wrote: midnight, if paper would have been the last member, they had 1 1/2 kp each night (he can use both the kp and the ability if he's the last alive), which would kill three persons instead of two. there's at least one more and he has an ability worth sacrificing half a KP. also, this mason network confuses me. we're 13 now if I counted right. There's (assumptions!) 2-3 thirds around, 1 scum and 2-3 cell. Which is around 6 anti town. I was specifically advised that scum may have masons. Do you guys have a QT? How many unique viewers do you have? This is fishy. going to bed now. totally exhausted. I'll hand my final thesis in tomorrow! Yay for master's degree! Here is some players list math for now. I am posting this mostly for reference as some people seem to have a hard time keeping up on the player list, also this should make sure that noone can lurk away and get forgotten (I'm looking at you, Mementoss). I will post my thoughts on possible lynch candidates later. This is the current alive player list if I'm right. 2. Mr. Wiggles 5. Jayjay54 6. Kitaman27 7. Ghost_403 8. MidnightGladius 10. Kenpachi 13. Lanaia(Replaced By Mementoss) 16. Nisani201 19. Adam4167 25. Foolishness Was sent to android hell (and came back) 26. Sbrubbles 28. blubbdavid 29. Phagga 30. Maverick32x 31. Dirk Hardpec So we're at 15 alive Players. - Midnight and Maverick claim 5th party - We have 1 confirmed dead 3rd, up to 3 3rd Party remain - we have 1 confiremd dead cell agent, up to 3 cell agents remain - we have 2 confirmed dead mafias, up to 2 mafias remain. Am I correct that the 4th party is the sleeper cell? This would mean there is a minimum of 5 townies atm. Also there were 6 no-flips on N1/D2. 1 was Gonzaw, who is claimed to be 5th party. 1 was Foolishness, who came back from the dead (or never really was dead). This leaves 4 no-flips death who could all be in not-town roles, making it possible that there is a max of 9 townies atm. The 4 no-flips are Blazinghand, Cwave, Cyber_cheese and RayzorFlash. | ||
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On March 26 2012 17:37 Jayjay54 wrote: I guess, I miscounted. However, where did you read that there's 4 and not 6 scum? Out of the concensus in the thread. I remember that this is what was assumed after Drazerk shot VisceraEyes (Mafia has the same amount of members as the sleeper cell), also IF one assumes that Paperscraps was the last Mafia (as Midnight does), than it is more probable that there were only 4 of them, and 2 of them no-flipped. But you're right, it's possible that the mafia count is higher. | ||
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Dirk just does not care about this game. His "I'm confirmed town" does not have anything to back it up, and he knows that, so it's just misleading. Him adding Mementoss to the qt (according to jayjay) does not make any sense. His attitude is somewhere between "I don't care" and "fuck town". I have no doubt that he will have to go at some point. sbrubbles is still barely contributing. I don't know if he just does not know better or if he has something to hide. However, I feel we would not lose anything by lynching him. Mr. Wiggles case on ghost_403 was a joke. The way he announced it like 3 times, only to post a case that focused on irrelevant / weak points feels very forced. Else there is not too much coming from him. If you think the mason qt will be further helpful, I would go for a lynch of sbrubbles, perhaps Mr. Wiggles. If you think the mason qt is no longer useful, lynch Dirk. This might give us also some information on kitamans lemon-claim. What do you guys think of Kenpachi? And food for thought regarding the "Burned to Death" thing: In Portal 1, when Chell finishes the official test parcour, GLaDOS wants to burn her. GLaDOS also states that the equipment would not be destroyed by the flames. Is it possible that this happens to persons who get into a situation where it is impossible for them to meet their wincondition? | ||
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On March 26 2012 22:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: 1) I think Nisani probably lived because after he claimed inventor, there was a decent possibility of a medic being on him. So, they shot a lower priority target instead. Also, if Nisani decided to change what he was making, they could very easily push a mislynch on him. One point for Nisani not being on the mafia team is that he actually gave the item to someone. If he was scum, because he was claiming after the deadline, he could very easily have given it to a team mate, and then claimed he had targeted one of the dead, flipped, town players. How do we know he did not give the item to his teammate? We have no idea where the item currently is. Also, it's doubtful at least that he could keep every item he invents for himself. He said he already kept the security camera, so I doutbt that he was able to keep the colour radiator as well. | ||
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As I already wrote: On March 26 2012 17:45 phagga wrote: Out of the concensus in the thread. I remember that this is what was assumed after Drazerk shot VisceraEyes (Mafia has the same amount of members as the sleeper cell), also IF one assumes that Paperscraps was the last Mafia (as Midnight does), than it is more probable that there were only 4 of them, and 2 of them no-flipped. But you're right, it's possible that the mafia count is higher. | ||
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On March 27 2012 13:06 MidnightGladius wrote: In the Black Market thread, the player who bought the Companion Cube (smurf account that we all agreed to ignore) just bought a Sentry Gun (1kp) and is leading the auction for the Delicious Cake (forces a player to not post for 24 hours). Did it state what the companion cube does? Also, were Atlas and Body bought off the black market as well? On March 27 2012 13:06 MidnightGladius wrote:Additionally, this player has some number of Letters (one-shot PMs), and no one else has bought any of them, so if any of you have been receiving such forms of communications, it should be this player. Just that I understand this right, he is allowed to send a number of normal PMs to whoever he wishes? On March 27 2012 13:41 Kenpachi wrote: OH GOD IF THATS TRUE WE NAILED 3 PEOPLE CAUSE MY ROLE IS ACTUALLY GREEN Cool story, bro. | ||
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On March 27 2012 05:11 blubbdavid wrote: yesyes kita... and now what did you do with GONZAW? Seriously? Kitaman just revealed that he has a huge amount of killpower, he has the color radiator that nisani made at night (and used it to good effect, if he's not lying), he is responsible for roughly 5 kills and all that comes to your mind is this question? I think you just got caught. I think you're scum (cell or mafia, I don't care), and you are just trying to switch the topic because kita painted you as possible scum. Noone interested in towns fate is gonna ask that question after kita's revelation, specially since it is clear that he was not responsible for gonzaws death (see flavor). There are so many more interesting question to ask him that your question only servers one purpose: To distract. On March 27 2012 05:28 blubbdavid wrote: 4KP alone would be absurdly strong alone,now consider that he also gets the items of his victims. I call broken, if this is true. We do not know under what circumstances kita gets his KP. Don't forget, hassybaby had incredibly powerfull role as well (which is why he got killed), there were just quite some strings attached. The same goes for Lanaia/Mementoss. There is a huge amount of KP around, but a lot of it is attached to conditions that are not always easy to fullfil. Remember Grackaroni, the almost-Vanilla-Townie with the possibility to kill with lemons? How many lemons are in the game? At least 2, perhaps even 4, which would make for 2 more KP? Also, check the alignement distribution again. If we assume that the 5th party claim of Midnight/Maverick is true, and that the mafia has at least 4 members, then there are at least 15 not-town-roles, which leaves only 16 town roles, and it might even be less. This means half of the players in this game are not town, and there are vanilla townies too (see sbrubbles and Nisani206). And remember that Mafia had at least 1.5 KP per night, perhaps the same goes for the Sleeper Cell. So, yes, I can imagine that Kita has that amount of KP available, and that he COULD be town (although I still doubt that). And I'm very interested to find out what conditions he has to fullfil that it is made available to him (I doubt he just gets it for free, except if he is a serial killer). | ||
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##Vote Mr. Wiggles It might have an influence on my role. | ||
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We are currently in the dark on how many people in each faction are left. I think it would be easier to scumhunt if we knew how many scum, cell, 3rd-party etc are left (and if there are any other partys we do not know by now). So I propose an item that let's us know how many members of each faction are still alive, if this is possible. Alternatively we could also have a device that shows the flips of D1, this way we knew how many cell and mafia are really dead. However, knowing how many are still alive would be more useful. And the third idea would be a plain day vig shot. We already have two scum in a group of three. The faster we get rid of them, the better. However, that one might backfire if it got into the hands of scum. Would it be possible to create a day-vig item that is only usable by town-aligned players? | ||
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*sigh* looks like I suck as inventor :/ | ||
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kitaman: But why would Kenpachi post it? If he was cell agent, he would not know who the leader was (except if he somehow already found out, which seems unlikely roughly 8 hours into the game). | ||
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No idea what it could do. | ||
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Also, did you notice that the Lord of the black Flame is town? I went back and checked the Role PM of Drazerk again, and it says nothing of the beings of great power belonging to 3rd party. This means that the planar Dragon and/or the LotR could be either town, mafia or cell agents as well. I'm a bit confused right now. Foolishness: How exactly does the scatter shot work now? The two targets must be of different factions, right? So if we try to hit 2 mafia, it won't work? And what happens in that case, does one shit miss or do both shots miss? Will the shots be refunded? Concerning the lynchtargets: None of them has a clear pro-town behaviour. Blubbdavid was the most active of the three, and what I see is rather scummy, as I pointed out several times. However, he claimed, and I doubt he would come up with a fakeclaim like this by himself. On the other side, Kenpach claims to have received a fakeclaim, perhaps blubbdavid did as well? Also, his reaction when kita revealed the results of the colour radiator was really scummy. Kenpachi. Well, he's kenpachi. What I don't get about him is why should he have a fake claim if he was town? This is what bothers me most. Besides that, he wasn't really helpful to town, but I have the feeling it's kinda normal for him? He is the guy I would like to avoid lynching for now. Dirk Hardpec really no longer cares for this game. He does not read the thread and does not interact with us at all. I have the feeling we can't do much wrong with lynching him. I will put my vote on him for now. ##Vote: Dirk Hardpec | ||
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On March 29 2012 18:31 Jayjay54 wrote: All in all, I feel like we're doing OK. I agree. That flip with the explanation of kitas role (and therefore the deaths/visits of N1) gives me the impression that we might very well win this. Anyway, does someone still have use for a lemon? I got one last night. | ||
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On March 29 2012 23:20 Dirk Hardpec wrote: I am on fire again, and I got some core thing now. I still think we should be lynching nisani201. role != alignment. You are aware that Nisani is actively helping scum hunting with his items? I'm not saying he is confirmed town, but we have a list with 3 people from which we know that 2 are scum. Why should we now lynch the guy that has helped us getting that list? That does not make any sense. | ||
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blubbdavid: I don't know if the two guys who died besides gonzaw are both scum. Would it make sense that two scum visit one townie the same night? No, I assume that one mafia and/or cell agent was hit, ev. a blue or someone who wanted to give him an item as well. We will see after the Night kills which KPs are left. | ||
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Suits me. ##Unvote: Dirk Hardpec ##Vote: blubbdavid | ||
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Foolishness Was sent to android hell, and Was Revived Day 3! "Sent to android hell" is the kill flavor of bluelights, who was mafia: + Show Spoiler + Welcome to Aperture Mafia! You are the Aperture Science Military Android. As an Aperture Science Military Android, you can take on the appearance of anything you like. Please remember that because the Aperture Science Robotic Obedience Programming is so complex, there is unfortunately no room in your memory for Creative Modeling or Self-Awareness. You will have to simply mirror whoever you visit, and will have no recollection of this in the morning. The Enrichment Center once again reminds you that Android Hell is a real place, where you will be sent at the first sign of defiance. Your Personal Kill Flavor is “was sent to Android Hell.” It is highly unlikely that mafia kill off one of their own in the first night. Hence Foolishness is probably not mafia. | ||
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On March 30 2012 18:54 Companion Cube's Profile quote says: The Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you, and does not speak. If it does speak, disregard its advice. | ||
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I'm off to bed. See you guys tomorrow. | ||
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Kenpachi: The shot only kills 2 people of the same alignement. you and Dirk don't have the same alignement, so neither of you will die. concerning the new item: I'd prefer the bat-vision goggles. | ||
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On April 01 2012 06:58 Foolishness wrote: I decided to do some analysis; it cost me no money, But the end result, you will surely find funny. Adam's the last sleeper cell please send him off to hell and even if I'm wrong, I assure you he's no townie. You were saying? oh, and ##Vote GLaDOS | ||
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Folishness: There is not much of a filter from him, so it's fairly easy to go through. He has attacked only people that flipped town or mafia. He attacked Dirk several times, and also went after paperscraps. I conclude that he is not mafia. On March 26 2012 04:13 Foolishness wrote: It is clear that we should not rest until Paperscraps has been shot. But still, kitaman as well should be thrown to hell and Maverick may also be worth a kill. However, he soft defended Wiggles and davidblubb, which are the only people he talked positively about unasked. On March 25 2012 02:47 Foolishness wrote: I read the filters of kita and mr. wiggles, and it's kita's posts that make me jiggle. For sure we can kill kita; get him out of this arena! Wiggles we can leave alive, he makes me giggle. On March 30 2012 03:11 Foolishness wrote: Dirk is not of the town, I might add He needs to be killed, he is quite bad. He's kinda a creeper so he might be a sleeper. blubb is for sure town, Kenpachi is too mad. He might very well be the remaining sleeper cell agent, and perhaps the last of the 4 great beings? could explain why he came back from the dead. Maverick: He seems more clueless than scum to me, but that could just be his scum playstile. However, seeing as Midnight flipped town and claimed to be in the same 5th party as Maverick, I'd rather refrain from lynching him. Mementoss: Every player with a powerfull role died after he claimed (Hassybaby, Kitaman, Grackaroni to some extent). Why is mementoss still alive? He is the towns medic currently, and could perhaps turn vigilante with the right core. Should he not be a high priority? He protected Dirk (who was scum) and claims to have protected Grackaroni, who died nevertheless. He barely posted any reads until very late into the game. He also seems like a good lynch target. Nisani: He is playing along nicely so far. I will have to through his filter again, but I lean town on him currently. JJ: Extremely active, looks very townish so far. However, I will also go through his filter again, because I don't trust anyone so far. I'm running out of time, so I will provide my reads on Nisani and JJ later (in the next 24 hours). It's weekend, and as always my activity is low. I hope to provide more information soon. | ||
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On April 01 2012 22:41 Jayjay54 wrote: Phagga: He comes to many right conclusions and isn't afraid to post whatsoever. One of the quickest to jump on the lightz train. As of now, he is actually my strongest townread. Question to you: Are you a newer player or a Vet? I never played Mafia in any way before TL Mafia, and here I played 3 games so far: Werewolves 2, Newbie Mini Mafia IV, Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VIII (also a Newbie game). I was Vanilla Town in the latter two and a Journalist in the first one. I made it far in every game, two times into the endgame, and was both times responsible for town to lose the endgame.... | ||
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Also, after reading one of JJs post I realized that what I wrote about Mementoss (power role still being alive) also goes for Nisani. However, as I wrote above, I'd rather go for the sleeper cell first to avoid having to deal with 2 night kills again. I therefore vote for Foolishness for now. ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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Also, who has the detective item? | ||
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also: I don't want to calculate too much, but: If we are at 3-2-1, and we kill mafia, that makes 3-1-1. Then there are 2 nightkills, which leave us at 1-1-1, which is nigh unwinnable. However, if we go from 3-2-1 to 3-2-0 and then 2-2-, we can win with an item of Nisani. HOWEVER, that assumes that there is still a cell member left to kill. This is why I stick to Foolishness. Maverick: You're right, it is possible that there is only one sleeper cell or one mafia left, as we do no know the flips of night one nor the size of the mafia group. What JJ and I are picturing here are the worst case scenarios. So you want to know my role? | ||
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On April 02 2012 07:34 Jayjay54 wrote: we also don't know for sure, if cell has a KP, do we? I don't think so looking at last night, because there wasn't one. The bullet was a vig item bought on the black market Uh, how do you know this? did I miss that somewhere in the thread? | ||
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I'll sleep over it, but I think I will switch my vote to Mementoss. | ||
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Nisani lynch candidates: - Dirk: He wanted a dirk lynch, who was mafia. Dirk voted Nisani and wanted to kill him twice (voted once). Their interaction makes me think they are not of the same alignement. - Bluelightz: His argumentation for voting bluelightz was lacking. bandwagon to avoid being suspected? However, he switched to bluelighz from dirk, who were both mafia. Why would he bus bluelightz (and risk getting blamed for it) if he could just leave is vote on dirk, who is scum too? Scum normally votes on other scum to get some town cred, and he could have gotten that by voting Dirk as well. Therefore, this behaviour barely makes any sense if he is mafia. - ghost: He pushed him at a time when several people were pushing him. - kenpachi: at a time when everyone was still thinking he was scum/3rd. He also gave the puppet strings to Jayjay, who was generally considered town at that point. This only makes sense scumwise if they are both mafia, which I doubt. I therefore conclude that Nisani201 is probably not mafia, and I will not vote him. | ||
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Seriously, I saw JayJay54 as town pretty early in the game (I gave him my Lemon D1/N1 which I received upon the start of the game). I did grow a bit cautious with him over time, and so here is a short analysis on his way too long filter (seriously, 14 pages? That's roughly 8.2% of all posts!) His stances on some other people, and mind you, these are not all he commented on: - Sinani: Already pointed him out D1, shot him N1, Derped the kill. Was completely transparent about it. - Bluelightz: suspected him early (towards end of D1), calls him out again D2, calls him a reasonable Target D2. - Blubbdavid: suppected him early (towards end of D1), mentiones him a second time 50 min later. Some banter between the two. He is unsure D2. After the colour radiator, he is his second target. - Kenpachi: says he is useless regardless of alignement on D1. wants to lynch him last of the colour radiator group. - Nisani: says he underperforms on D2, calls him a reasonable Target D2. Attacks him hard D3 and votes him, too. When he voted him, Nisani led the vote with 3 votes. - Mr. Wiggles: Disagrees with the case from Kita, says he could me more active though. Calls him scary (N3 I think?), lynches him D4 as the first of the colour radiator group. - Adam: accuses him of not being active enough as in other games, calls him a reasonable Target D2. - ghost_403: says his posts are fluff D2. - Paperscraps: Soft defends him when Kita attacks him. - Dirk: Defended Dirk D1 because he thought he brought up a good point. Changes his view on him N1 after Dirk attacks Grack for no reason, but still does not want to lynch him D2, because he got masoned by him. Softdefends him several times D2 & D3 because of his ability. Accuses him somewhere around N3 of being third, clearly states that he doubts Dirk is cell or mafia. He repeats this on D4. After the colour radiator has been used he refuses to lynch Dirk on D4 (he decides lynch D4) because he wants to kill cell and he thinks that Dirk is scum. On D5 he suddenly changes his mind and says that Dirk is probably cell, not scum. He then proposes blubbdavid as lynch target who he thinks "has the higher chance to belong to the actual scum team and is the better choice." What really stands out is his that he defended Dirk very long and Paperscraps a bit as well. However, He voted Bluelightz when he was at 5 votes and therefore far from being a safe lynch. He trusted Hassy very fast. He had some back and forth with kita, but nothing wild really. Unlike others, he stated his reads on a lot of people. His argumentation looks rather pro-town, and the activity is through the roof which is very unusual for scum. His reads, however, were quite off most of the time. The whole "Dirk" story makes me cautios, I don't like how he treated that. Nevertheless, I don't think he is scum, and there is for sure at least one better target than him. Therefore, I do not want to lynch him today. Jayjay, what really interests me: You already half-claimed your role, may we know what your role name is? | ||
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Completely forgot, wanted to change my vote: I don't think that the sleeper cell is (currently?) a threat, so my vote goes to Mementoss. ##Unvote: Foolishness ##Vote: Mementoss | ||
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On April 02 2012 23:59 Mementoss wrote: What? This was before Kita's role was revealed. As far as I knew at the time I protected Dirk from a regular vig shot. That does not change the fact that you protected him while he was burning, so with that knowledge now you could have known that Foolishness would not be harmed by shooting him. On April 02 2012 23:59 Mementoss wrote: I feel right now that I am getting targeted for being bad town, rather than being scummy. The votes are all easily floating to me, as the remaining scum (most likely a mafia and a sleeper) would rather not use a night KP on me, when they can just bandwagon me out on the lynch. Most people aren't even explaining how I am more suspicious than anyone else that should be on the radar. There just like Mementoss? Seems like a decent lynch tonight. In short: Foolishness is not Mafia according to his previous actions. He might be sleeper cell, but they did not kill anyone last night as it seems. Maverick is of House Chezinou and therefore probably town aligned, confirmed by MidnightGladius who flipped town. Nisani is probably not Mafia according to his previous actions. He might be sleeper cell, but yadda yadda see Foolishness. JayJay looks way too townish. He could be Mafia, but I doubt it. That leaves you, and there is not much that really screams "TOWN" to me. So, yeah, you're my choice. | ||
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On April 02 2012 13:21 Maverick32x wrote: If you think it will make you a scum target- then no... but I'm just pointing out a trend.. I am Magikarp, a Pokémon. I was told that I can level up and finally evolve into Gyarados and learn the surf-power by having my vote sometime during the day on the person that gets lynched that day. However, I voted 5 times on the person that got lynched, and still have not leveled up, so I don't know if it is ever gonna happen. And as I might not get another chance to vote on a person that gets lynched I might as well claim now. I hinted at this "condition" of sort of my role here (I was surprised that noone asked about that). I asked the hosts what the surf-power does (because I thought I might turn into a blue role), but received the answer that nothing really special happens and that I'm just VT. I hinted at this here. I was not sure if I could trust the host (they're GLaDOS, after all), so I just tried to see if I can level up and if it does something special. Nothing has happened so far. tldr; I'm a Vanilla Townie | ||
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As for the item: How about an item that will reveal once the alignement of its owner at the beginning of the day? So if Nisani gives this item to Mementoss, we will know Mementoss alignement. Should Mementoss be killed, the killers alignment will be revealed. Like this, we would know if mementoss is on our side or not. Also a bit powerfull, but perhaps the hosts allow it? Or else just a single-use DT item, if possible with Vet-functionality (blocks 1 kp). I'm quite curious to see what happens with the night post, but I'm even more tired, so I'm off to bed for now. I hope we can get one of the two proposed items, and I hope to see you again tomorrow. | ||
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Mementoss, enlighten me, why is JJ confirmed? ## Vote Mementoss | ||
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Also, what is the use for foolishness to sacrifice himself if he learns something that he can no longer communicate to us? That sacrifice would have been useless. No, I'm quite sure that it protected everyone, hence no night-kills. | ||
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On April 04 2012 04:09 Foolishness wrote: ##Self-Sacrifice No idea if this actually triggered the self-sacrifice, but it suggests that he did not get one last post after he learned something. | ||
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Nisani and JayJay, you are aware the this day is only 24 hours and the deadline is in 7.5 hours? I really want to avoid another no-lynch. | ||
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So, how about a DT item? | ||
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So yes, we probably have a sleeper cell member left who has no kp. As long as we manage to not mislynch twice, we should be good. Or we have a mafia and a sleeper cell member left, but I kinda doubt it. | ||
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On April 04 2012 04:09 Foolishness wrote: And through my magic I can list the remaining sleeper cell. Nisani is the one that is under the spell Simply put, he does not care about the town's state of affairs. Kill him soon, before the town is shot to hell ##Vote Nisani201 | ||
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I have read several times that some of the Vets here are very good on Day 1 reads, and I really don't know how to do that. It's quite the opposite for me, I can barely make anything out of someones D1 talk, but 3 or 4 days into the game it seems to get obvious for me who is scum and who not. (at least this game) The roles were just crazy. Seeing now how Velinath died... priceless. And the first night was really just confusing. Hey gonzaw, you really thought I was sleeper cell? Oh, and Greymist: Was there any chance that Magikarp would really have leveled up? Or was it all flavor? | ||
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Original Message From iGrok at 7:46: Item Found: Bulletproof Best You may wear this for one night to be immune to 1kp. Original Message From iGrok at 7:47: Please ignore the previous pm. Original Message From iGrok at 7:51: P.S. If you post anything about that I'll modkill you. Original Message From iGrok at 8:26: Item Found: Bulletproof Best You may wear this for one night to be immune to 1kp. NOW you get it lol Don't know what was going wrong, but I LOLed. | ||
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