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First Mafia game on TL, loads in RL | ||
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sorry, had to watch Game of Thrones first So, this is my first TL Mafia game (I've played a lot in RL a while ago). I hope this is gonna be fun. As i read through the thread, theres no real info right now, right? | ||
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Since there is no Information: What to do? We can either do a random lynch, choose someone that is quiet or something. Because someone that did not post at all will be modkilled anyway. | ||
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Right now, least posts numbers is seviro with 1 post, before the game started, so if he does not post, he will be modkilled. The least posts (although by only 1 post) is gossemeer with 3 posts. Anyone a better idea? | ||
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Yeah, I know that you dont do it mathematically, but I think its a valid thing to do on first day. If you play normal mafia, its really rare that someone gets lynched on the first day, but since we have to do it, might as well do it mathematically. | ||
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##Vote: Lyter Too bad for seviro, but hello lazin | ||
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Well, deadline is in a few hours, we'll see what happens then. No one should be modkilled due to afkism. Hmmm.. QUESTION: Is the punishment for not voting modkill? | ||
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I wasnt there yesterday in the final hours so I didnt see lyters defense. But I dont think that I would have choosen someone else anyway. The problem is: We chose lyter because he was so quiet, so he wouldnt bring much to the table. After he defended, you chose gossemeer because he started the bandwagon. Thats both pretty random, but that is normal for day 1. This is not a defense for gossemeer, I dont think anyone can really make a decision right now about who is scum and who is not. But since we are all relying on very little right now: I support gossemeer in his diagnosis of BlueyD. He made some good statements. Lets see what BlueyD says to that. | ||
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On April 06 2012 04:54 BlueyD wrote: ...and I'm still scumhunting actively... ...A reminder to others that Gossemerr is not my only suspicion... Firstly, you are not really scumhunting, all you do is suspect Gossemeer. Yes, you noticed Therapist and iamallinson in 4 lines, but the majority of posts is against Gossemeer. Is can not really be called scumhunting. On April 06 2012 14:49 BlueyD wrote: About the night hit: They picked the guy who stood back but offered a bit of content here and there, and said the most stuff about blues and roleclaiming… That fits the blue profile very well, actually. Basically, it seems to me they went with their strongest blue read and it worked. It’s funny that era sees this, identifies it… and then goes “nahhhh, that can’t be it”, when to me that seems to be exactly it. ---------- On era: For that post about the scumhit, era went through imallinson’s filter in a whole 15 minutes and brought out all the important parts before dismissing his own findings. It’s hard for me to believe that he 1. has the skill to see that by himself and bring it all out in a relatively short time, yet 2. is so bad that he dismissed it all when he was right on the spot. That's a very small window of skill... Which makes me think he might have known what to look for ahead of time. In general, it’s as Nova says: This guy is obviously paying attention to the game (rules, filters, thread), but then he turns around with mostly one-liners, and he’s using so much WIFOM/bad logic it’s almost a parody. He’s a very tempting lynch indeed. ---------- On the lurker side, my pick for “needs to step it up” at this moment is our friend Bocki, whose filter is devoid of any analysis made by himself, and who no one seems to be talking about so I gotta bring him up. I see 3 things in there: -Proposes a mathematical post-counting method for determining who the biggest lurker is -Votes for Lyter, like everyone else -Some generic stuff about roleclaiming - Listens to Goss about me, then says “yeah” There’s a lot less spam than era there, but there isn’t more content. I'm not sure there's any content, really, and yet no one pays attention to him and he flies right under the radar. After noticing iamallinson's indecision to vote for either lyter or gosse, you now say that it was obvious blue play. How come you didnt say that before? Instead you now blame era for reading it before and then dismissing it. Thats almost as if you slipped a little disappointment that era did not come through with his opinion that iamallinson was blue. But who else but scum wants to know who is blue? On my personal accusation: Yes, I did not post very much on Day1, since its impossible to really read something on D1. I took on the mathematical reasoning because it was at least an indicator. Sure, it did not go well since that killed a townie, but since we had to vote, I would rather use a mathematical approach than something like jokes. Because then, you would have been higher on the list. Well, maybe that would have been the better choice... Gossemeers case against you was good, so I didnt have much else to say but "yes, that is a good case." Now, since you pratically pushed me for it, I had to write my own analysis of your behaviour. But thats okay, since it is true that I did not make a case until now. ------------ As a summary: I think BlueyD is trying to make gossemeer look bad, constantly attacking him. Why, I cant say, maybe he's townie and read something in gosses posts that I didnt see, or he is scum and wants us to lynch gosse so he can choose another target for a nightly kill. Maybe it's because gosse has made some good analysis about BlueyD and he wants to get rid of him. If it's about that, I think his next "victims" will be lazin or nova. I hope that was good enough | ||
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On April 06 2012 13:57 LazinCajun wrote: ...I propose that we drop it the implications of him dying and move on to more substantial matters... ...Unless somebody has some amazing read to gain from the mafia hitting imallinson (I doubt it), it doesn't make any sense to me to dwell on these issues, and I think any more discussion of such triviality indicates a lack of desire to move forward, ergo indicates scuminess. A blue gets whacked and you do not want to see why? Or talk about why? And that after he attacked you and died instantly after this? That sounds a bit weird to me. I dont know what to think of it now, really, but ... its weird... | ||
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BlueyD: As you can read from my case, I do not have much on you that I can read, thats why I didnt want to do my case right now, but I felt pushed, thats why I did it now. I wanted to find out more about you, but I didnt want your accusations be left in the room. When I notice something else about you, I will of course write it. I just wanted to assemble some more info. You defended that, well done. You attacked gosse, I supported him, now you go after me. Thats not "making a good case", thats panic. Nova: I dont think that I am the lurkiest, I think Lazin is. Therapist: I wasnt completely silent on day1 and I didnt just let the town find a green. I proposed the mathematical solution, since it was better than just read into the 4/5 posts that each player wrote. It endet in a green getting killed, but that odd was 7:2, so I dont think it was completely unreasonable. And again BlueyD: You should really consider to make a defense post. Not specially against me but against all the others as well. Therapist, gosse and era listed you as suspicious. If you are town, I'd hate to lynch you because then I would make myself really suspicious, but my feeling is still that you are mafia. | ||
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Good analysis. I like the connection stuff (although of course I dont like my upcoming in it, but at least you held by the facts). I only have one correction: --Bocki votes Lyter "Good as any" (bandwagony?) Thats not completely true. I said "good as any" in combination with my mathematical approach. Seviro had the least posts (1 post I think). Gossemeer had 3 posts when I did my vote, lyter had 4. That was the reason why I said "good as any", as in "4 posts are as good as 3 posts". I dont blame you for pointing this out, since it came up 2/3 times now. I hope its clear now why I said it. And about the bandwagony: I proposed the mathematical approach and proposed seviro (that would have been modkilled if he didnt vote at all) or gossemeer. I wanted to hear from the rest if they want to do the mathematical approach or if someone found something. Since the first vote was lyter and he only had 1 post more than my idea, I was fine with it. | ||
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I will go with my gut feeling: ##Vote: BlueyD Happy Easter Saturday to all of you | ||
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On April 08 2012 00:25 LazinCajun wrote: Bocki (or anybody else) if you read this before the deadline: Why do you think that the mafia would want to flop to Gossemerr when Lyter, somebody they would've known is town, was already getting lynched? I think that's the weakest part of my post by far, and it's bugging me. The only explanations I can come up with aren't very plausible and come off very WIFOM-y. I dont think its really weak. Lyter didnt say anything through most of the day. His post was "okay" but not really good. Maybe they thought that (since gossemeer started the lyter lynch) he would be one of the more active players and tried to off him on D1. Possible train of thought of mafia: - Lyter votes for gossemeer. Since he is on the bench and gosse started it, normal reaction. Lets look at the proposed connection Since there are only 2 maf it could either be: 1: era/blueyd era switches to test the terrain, see if anyone else is willing to switch (at that time it was 6-2) Therapist accepts lyters reasoning and jumps on the train. BlueyD switches in the hope of someone else switching to gosse. (4-4 then. It would have taken only 1 person, iamallinson for example. iamallinson voted lazin alone, so there was a probability that he jumped on the gosse bandwagon but not lyter since he already switched his vote away from that.) 2: era/therapist era, same reason therapist may have not checked his PMs (the posts were only 3 minutes apart) and did not see that era wanted him to wait a while until he posts. Example: PM from era to therapist: "lets switch to gosse and see if someone switches with us". Therapist reads it and begins to write. era sends a PM again "but not right after another, that looks scummy", but therapist already posted. BlueyD switches to gosse because of some meta stuff. Pretty vague from my point of view, but okay, everyone plays this differently. 3: therapist/blueyd era is convinced of lyters school explanation and switches to gosse since he started the bandwagon. therapist: same reasoning as era in 1: blueyd: waited the appropriate time (12 minutes is still a little small window, but okay. Since he didnt say anything for the next 2,5 hours, maybe he had to leave and didnt want to wait so long to keep the momentum of the bandwagon) and switched then. This is of course just a case against those three and I did not take into account the other players, but thats what I wanted it to be. I dont think its therapist (although the scenario sounds reasonable) and I cant tell it from single quotes. Just his overall apprearance does not seems scummy to me. So I think its era/blueyd. The only reason I voted for BlueyD instead of era is that era has made some statements that speak against scum and BlueyD did not. So in case BlueyD isnt scum, its scenario 2. | ||
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I'm not convinced that era is not guilty but even less convinced that era is not guilty. My vote stays. | ||
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I'll take myself time until the deadline to switch my vote. If I do so, I will of course say why. If someone might help me in creating a case either against BlueyD (with something else other than I wrote before) or era, I would highly appreciate it. | ||
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On April 08 2012 04:08 Bocki wrote: Gosse didnt say anything for 23 hours... Sry... overlooked his vote... ignore this | ||
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On April 09 2012 06:30 LazinCajun wrote: Just to get this post in before the night in case I die (I have NOT taken a ton of time to think about this) Current scum reads: Bocki / gossemerr: Town: Me, probably Nova. I'm less sure about BlueyD. I do want to review nova's filter in more detail to make reconfirm that he's town, but I've been getting town vibes all game. Lazin: I myself know that I'm not town and I share your view of Lazin and Nova. But lining up gossemeer with me is strange, since he would have been the one that would have been lynched if we would have gone through with my mathematical solution. It was his luck that he started the bandwagon, because I think that if anyone would have started a bandwagon and said "yeah, lets do it, i vote gosse" (which was a really high probability), I would have killed my supposed mafia compadre on day1. That wouldnt make sense. My read stays on BlueyD. He's only been half-heartedly defending himself against me. He is attacking gosse the whole time, attacked iamallinson for not speaking up in the first lynch vote (which would have sent gosse to the guilotine) and so on. I know, I might be focused on him, but he still is my best read. | ||
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Well.. so much for bocki/gossemerr are mafia. So, everyone that attacked BlueyD is dead except me. He probably didnt want to make it so obvious. My read for Scum: BlueyD and Therapist. I dont think I will have to wait 48 hours to do my vote. ##Vote: BlueyD If you dont come up with a brilliant read on someone else, I wont change the vote. | ||
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Otherwise: The guy I was suspecting since D2 and that I voted for twice is voting me? What a surprise. I will get to the rest when I get home. | ||
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sorry for the long wait, but I was on a family meeting the whole day and just came back. The "Scumslip": I explained what happened this morning and I think it is comprehensible when you look at the postings in the night. As for most of us, this is my first game and it is to learn how to play it. I learned from this that I shouldnt post in the circumstances of tonight. On April 09 2012 16:13 LazinCajun wrote: If Bocki interpreted this negatively, why did he make such a weak and indirect case against me (it sounds weird, I don't know what to think, it's just weird!), then totally drop it later? ....... As strange as it sounds, I think that him not attacking me is pretty inconsistent behavior and gives me scum vibes. As I said in the post, I did not interpret this negatively, I just wanted to note that I found that sentence strange of you. At that point, I didnt have a read on you, not town, not scum. I wanted to get one of the better analytics (therapist, nova, era) to take a look at your filter to see if they find something that supports that "weird feeling". It didnt lead to anything, and right after my post, you did a very good analysis ( this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325394¤tpage=12#234 ). That convinced me that my hunch was baseless and that you are a pretty good pro-town player. I didnt post this specifically, since no one noticed or supported the "hunch"-post in the first place, so I didnt think about it. On April 09 2012 14:28 BlueyD wrote: 2. Unlike Bocki, I’ve aimed at more than one person. I’ve attacked Gosse a lot, but I’ve not spent “the whole time” on him. Bocki knows this, as he points out a jab I took at another player in the very next sentence, so this attack is unwarranted at best and a lie at worst. Attacking gosse over more posts and noting iamallinson in 4 lines isnt the same thing. On April 09 2012 14:28 BlueyD wrote: 2. Here’s my problem with this logic: Let’s assume I’m mafia and I want to hit someone without getting suspicious, yet I also take out a vote against me… then Why is Bocki alive? Gossemerr acknowledged, yesterday, that my defense was “pretty good” and that he wasn’t quite ready to vote for me “until I [Goss] can prove with more persuasion that he [Bluey] is scum.” I had heavy pressure on me from Goss, but not a guaranteed vote, and him being hit guarantees a bunch of fingers pointed at me due to our drawn-out argument while also taking out a vote that, while it was coming at me, was not unflexible. I could ask you the same question: Since you are my most vivid attacker, why are you still alive if I was scum? I would have had 2 Nights to get you, but yet: you are still alive. If I take your premise, you are the only one that I attacked all the time. You attacked more persons (from your point of view) including the late iamallinson and the late gossemeer. The only person I really attacked is still alive. If this is a scum tactic, thats a really crappy tactic. On April 09 2012 14:28 BlueyD wrote: And notice how Bocki doesn’t even wonder why Goss was hit over himself, just dismissing that possibility with an “except myself”… Maybe he already knows he can’t get hit? I did wonder, and I did explain why I think he died instead of me. On April 09 2012 07:08 Bocki wrote: ....He probably didnt want to make it so obvious.... On April 09 2012 14:28 BlueyD wrote: ...hence why he tried to link this hit with the most scum-looking target at the moment, which is me. If I’d been scum at that moment and I had wanted to hit someone who would certainly vote for me D3 while not attracting too much attention, the best hit would have been Bocki. Scu, failed to consider this because, from their point of view, Bocki wasn’t a possible hit target to begin with, and so the honor fell to Goss. I cant really follow the reasoning in this. Now you say that I would have been the better target because you look more scummy, but the mafia failed to see it. But it stands 2-3, so I wouldnt assume that mafia is stupid. Nova: He's my best town read after lazin, since he has been posting a lot of good information. He is (in my opinion) the best analyist, shortly followed by lazin. This may be scummy behaviour (beeing so obviously town that he isnt) but my gut feeling tells me he is town. He has been after therapist in the last postings, who is my second mafia read, maybe that also helps my gut feeling. I sense that it comes down to me or blueyd this day. I vote for Blueyd BlueyD votes for me Lazin firstly voted for BlueyD but keeps his option open to change Nova will probably vote for therapist it comes down to what therapist votes. Since therapist is my second mafia read, this is really bad. Lets see how he decides. If you find typos, you can keep them, this was the work of 12 simultanious open tabs | ||
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So I will change my vote from my suspect #1 to suspect #2 to get a maf. ##Unvote: BlueyD ##Vote: Therapist | ||
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Therapist is on of the guys that didnt bring much content. As lazin said, he didnt respond to the "post more" postings from various others. Now he's under the gun and suddenly claims blue. Not only does he claim blue, but he said he investigated BlueyD and gosse. Gosse is dead, so it wont do much to talk about that. But the "BlueyD is a towny" investigation is the scummiest part. Lets see what we thought: Bocki: Therapist and BlueyD scum Lazin: Therapist and Bocki/BlueyD scum Nova: Therapist and Bocki/BlueyD scum BlueyD: Therapist and Bocki scum Therapist: Nova, Lazin, Bocki scum BlueyD and me think of each other as scum, I think mainly because we have been over each other the entire game. Therapist comes up, says he's blue and makes BlueyD inno. This is my prediction on what scum (therapist/blueyd) thought this will go downthis is after I switched to therapist, so 3 votes for therapist, 1 for me) Therapist told BlueyD to vote for him, to complete the bandwagon Therapist brings out the "blue"-hammer, makes BlueyD inno and calls Bock/lazin/nova scum. Therapist hopes that one of us 3 switches votes to whoever but BlueyD (hey, he's inno! and therapist is blue!) BlueyD switches to that person Therapist votes that person. That would make 3 votes and the lynch. This blue call is too convenient to be true. I know, calling blue at any time is not good and if he really was blue, now would be the time. But calling investigating blueyd before... too convenient. He probably chose these 2 persons because he voted on the days before the night he claims to have investigated. He even brought up the idea of a tactical vote, just to call it "poor play" On April 08 2012 01:47 Therapist. wrote: I sure hope it's not scenario 3 as I am also voting for BlueyD. Seems like it'd be poor play to vote for your teammate early unless it's late in the game the person being voted for has been established as 100% scum. On April 09 2012 11:04 Therapist. wrote: I don't believe BlueyD to be mafia. I strongly disagree with bandwagoning onto him immediately. Instead, I would question the motives behind Bocki and LazinCajun INSTANTLY throwing down votes on BlueyD. I clearly stated my motives, Lazin as well. So I dont know what you want to question about them. Maybe its just to try to produce confusion (hence the CAPITALIZATION). I'll post more if I notice something else. | ||
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On April 10 2012 05:56 Bocki wrote: Therapist hopes that one of us 3 switches votes to whoever but BlueyD (hey, he's inno! and therapist is blue!) BlueyD switches to that person Therapist votes that person. Well, looks like my prediction came true, just that the order switched. But I think this is mostly due to therapist seeing that he cant wait for someone else and has to start the vote himself. On April 10 2012 07:02 Therapist. wrote: Bocki is so focused and aggressive. There's no reason for him to not even want to look at anybody else. He's tunnel visioning his weak case on BlueyD and myself without even BOTHERING to look at the others. I said numerous times that I may be too focused on BlueyD, but I also made comments about others. I didnt make a case against anyone else because I didnt see anything (which makes kind of sense since until now, only town/blue has died). I didnt see anything about you because you posted only a few times and to be true, you slipped my mind. But the cases against you were good, and they fit my town-reads (lazin/nova) so I have no reason to doubt that you and BlueyD are mafia. Specially after both of your recent votes. On April 10 2012 08:29 BlueyD wrote: There would have been no reason to actively bus me at that point, and it would’ve been an incredibly risky move to plan to switch his D2 vote away from me if I needed some saving at the end. Only reason I still live, remember, is that Gossemerr (of all people) switched his vote. .. that is unless he would have switched his vote. He had time enough and could have gone with the same reason that gosse wrote. On April 10 2012 08:29 BlueyD wrote: 1. Contradictory. Bocki says now is effectively the best time for a blue to claim… But one did claim, and Bocki just dismisses it as “too convenient to be true”! Bocki doesn’t even seriously consider that Therapist may be blue. Why? 2. Why is this dismissed as “too convenient” too? If Bocki agrees that I looked scummy – and he really can’t disagree with that – then he also has to agree that I was a good DT check, no? 3. The whole point of being a cop is scumhunting, so cops check those who are most suspicious for them – often the same people they voted for, if they haven’t been lynched. He’s speculating again where there’s a much simpler explanation. Like lazin said: I didnt say that this is the best time to call blue, I only said that, beeing under the gun, is the only time to call blue. And I would consider it more or would even believe it, IF there wasnt that convenient truth that he investigated you to make BlueyD a 100% Towner. That is what I meant with "too convenient". Because if you too are maf, you only need to get 1 out of 2 (since I am not going to vote myself) to vote for me. Thats why therapist voted me instead of lazin or nova. It is easier for BlueyD to say "yeah, I thought that the whole time" if they go for me. Right now, I'm the weakest target because lazin and nova are pretty convinced of each other to be green. I am in question of beeing scum, so it's naturally to go for me, altough the cases against me were vague at best. On April 10 2012 08:29 BlueyD wrote: Meanwhile, Bocki just dismisses that possibility with no analysis, sticking hard to his ‘convictions’. Which one looks the scummiest? Well… This is funny if you think about it. I voted for BlueyD on D2 and started the vote for BlueyD on D3. If I would stay with my 'conviction' I would keep my vote for BlueyD, and suddenly, its a 2-2-1 situation. Wouldnt that make me look less scummy? Since I wouldnt be working together with my "partner" but go on a solo mission? I choose not to stay on you, because as Lazin said: The town needs to stick together to win this. | ||
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On April 10 2012 13:28 LazinCajun wrote: This could easily be explained like this instead: Red BlueyD, red Therapist option -- I point out a potential connection between you two based on day 1 votes. Day 2 you split your votes to hide mafia ties, and you're not really in any danger of dying since after Gossemer's vote (1.5 hours before the deadline, plenty of time for therapist to switch votes and save you) puts Era into the noose. I overlooked that you wrote this, but it's good that we both thought of it like this. | ||
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On April 10 2012 23:16 BlueyD wrote: I interpret this to mean “we generally want blues to stay hidden most of the time, so it’s understandable that if Therapist’s claim is true, it only comes up now that he’s on the block: before was a bad time to claim, and after would be too late, therefore now is the best moment”. So, yeah, Bocki dismisses the possibility as “too convenient”, then admits it is consistent with good blue play in the next sentence. Scummy, scummy, scummy. Basically you are saying: Whatever I would have said about the blue claim, it would make me look scummy. From your perspective, therapist is 90% blue (I'll get to that later) which means that (since you say you are green), 2 out of Lazin/Nova/Bocki are red. Yet you did not post any red-things about neither of the other two (only saying that both somehow agreed that they are green... no other read or analysis). So I seem to be the only red... That would be a surprise for all of us I bet :D On April 10 2012 23:16 BlueyD wrote: You missed the goal of points 2 and 3 here: they are meant to attack Bocki, not to defend Therapist. I’m entirely aware that these do not make Therapist look more town-aligned, and that both explanations (red and blue) are an adequate explanation for these parts of his behavior. That’s the whole point I’m trying to make in that part of my post: Bocki never even considers the blue Therapist possibility. He just says “nah, can’t be”, and offers no explanation except speculations which start with what he has to prove: He assumes from the start that Therapist and I are red. This is tunnel vision. I considered that he was blue. I said that his position was the only position to make sense to call blue. And I say the "but" again: ...., but making you green from his investigation just fits too good into scum play! To write some percentage points from my view about possible investigations: 2 dead people: 50% chance. (From the rules, this would be possible, but very unlikely) 1 dead, lazin: 80% chance (since I am pretty sure that he is green, based on my own analysis and of others) 1 dead, nova: 80% chance (since I am pretty sure that he is green, based on my own analysis and of others) 1 dead, bocki: 100% chance (of course) 1 dead, blueyd: 0% chance (based on the reads from several people about a possible connection between you two) 2 alive people: 0% chance. If he would have gotten both red in his "investigations", he could have just said so and the town would have won, even if he died. Then we could have seen that he was blue and accepted both of his investigations. On the "he assumes from the start..": No I didnt. I assumed that you are red for a few days, but therapist slipped my mind (as I already said). But after the analysis from Nova and myself looking through his posts, I agreed that he is scummy. On April 10 2012 23:16 BlueyD wrote: Lazin, that little message to Nova and you was mostly meant to not just rely on what the other is saying – you’ve both looked town-aligned to each other (and to me) for a while and openly said so, but neither of you is actually confirmed. No one can be actually confirmed as anything at this point. The only way to be a confirmed green/red in this game is after the person dies or if the sane cop confirmes you and then dies (to confirm that he was indeed the sane cop). So everything is based on reads from the postings and voting behaviour. On April 10 2012 23:16 BlueyD wrote: Here’s what it comes down to for me now: - My read on Therapist is 90% blue. - My read on Bocki is 90% red. - This leaves one of Nova and Lazin as scum and one as townie. Do I have a case on either? No, and in all likelihood I won’t today, but all we need right now is one red. I know why you think that I'm red (well.. to be true not completely, but okay). But I would like to know why you believe Therapist in his blue claim so much. Only because he called you green? As opposed to me, you haven't written an analysis of his blue claim and why you support it so much. To say it in your words: On April 10 2012 23:16 BlueyD wrote: Scummy, scummy, scummy. On April 11 2012 03:01 BlueyD wrote: Therapist: Since I can’t do it, try to look through the Nova and Lazin filters and make a case… Again: Why the belief in therapist? Like Lazin said, there is not much to read from his posts, yet you seem pretty determined that he is blue. Lazin: On April 11 2012 02:27 LazinCajun wrote: It would be much easier if Therapist hadn't been so damn lurky all game long. Exactly. This makes it hard to take the blue claim any more serious than I take it now. | ||
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On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote: Both were inactive at the start but therapist gave us a plausible reason for his behavior, Bocki has not. I wasnt inactive, I was just not posting fluff or blindly accusing someone. I was never inactive the whole game. On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote: When Bocki was asked to contribute he was almost angry about being pulled from the shadows. I wasnt angry, I told you the reason why I wanted to wait. This is basically the same accusation that you said before, which I explained. This is just warming up stuff to make me look scummy. On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote: Bocki never had an original thought, he didn't start the attack on me and he didn't start the attack on therapist. Now I'm scum because I didnt attack no one? If by "no one" you mean yourself, then you might be right. And I didnt attack therapist because he was my #2 scum read and I wanted to get you (my #1 scum read). Since its 3-2, I told lazin and nova (that are my town reads) that I will follow them if they make a better case against therapist... Do I really have to write all of this again? Whoever looks at those posts sees exactly my train of thought. This is again just warming up stuff that has been explained thoroughly by me or others. On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote: Bocki freaking scumslipped! ... warming up much? Your whole post was a warming up of stuff that was explained before. Instead of doing what Lazin asked you/therapist to do (make a case against lazin or nova) you reposted stuff from before. | ||
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Nope, my first language is german. I learned english in school, but since I am working on/with computers for roughly 20 years ( http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/vs-ibm-xt.jpg this was my first computer) I learned english mostly due to computer related stuff. learning programming languages, playing the first text based games (you dont want to know how long it took me to figure out some of the words for Leisure Suit Larry 1... first the issue of identifying and THEN the issue of the word in another language ... at age 8 ) and so on. so my english is mainly from computer related stuff or music. In german, "warming something up" is a common expression if someone brings up old/known stuff to (normally) get on the nerves of someone. Imagine your mom telling you when you screwed something up: "This is exactly as the time when you did this 10 years ago". That is warming something up. | ||
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On April 11 2012 06:46 Therapist. wrote: Here, let me go ahead and put together the most convincing case ever in just 15 minutes. No, sorry. There's nothing more to be said that would change your mind. We can lose and move on to the next game, that's fine. Dont say that you only had 15 minutes. You know how much time you had. | ||
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Lazin: You definitly were the best player thing round. Not only towny, but player. You were thrown off because it played out that therapist was lurky and blueyd was attacked by me a bunch of times, but you had good reads (except for nova ) and played a good game. The last day was really difficult to play as a town since there were so few informations on either me, blueyd and therapist. I congratulate you. therapist: You did some good plays, but you didnt play your blue role very good. I dont know how I would have played it, but you could have at least tried to make a case against nova or lazin (of course, only nova would have made a difference) but failed to do so. Your reasoning and timing for claiming blue wasnt bad (as I said in the game) but pretty usual. It just played into our hands that blueyd was suspected by lazin and nova and i splitted our focus on you and blueyd. All in all, not bad, but too few postings for a blue. blueyd: Sorry mate, you just had to take the place as my foe. After you accused me, I focused on you and since you didnt really defend yourself, I was able to keep you as a suspect open throughout the game. This way I only had to wait on which lazin and nova decided and could join them, because it was clear that it was either you or therapist. nova: We worked good together You did a little too many fluff posting, just as I was a little too lurky in the beginning. But I think our plan worked out well. Thanks for the Mafia game! Thanks for the hosting to Artanis and ghost! This was fun | ||
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On April 11 2012 10:18 jaj22 wrote: I wasn't sure about Therapist, but his DT claim had the best kind of breadcrumb: a massive overnight opinion switch. Also, when was the last time anyone fake-claimed in a TL newbie game? Nova's play reminds me of Toadesstern - he posts a lot of filler even as town. I read him right all three games so far but I'm not absolutely sure how I'm telling the difference. Maybe he looks more frustrated and despairing as town. Well played anyway. Bocki's output on day 3 made his day 1 look incredibly scummy. No way does a vanilla town player with that posting ability actively lurk through day 1. fake-claiming in his situation would have been the only thing a maf could have done btw. the opinions were mainly set (all 4 votes on him). If I would have been in that situation, I would have called blue as well. Just to hope that I can somehow reason with older posts. I only need them to get off my back because I will never have to really prove it. When they change their vote to anyone else but the other maf, they are dead. Thanks for the flowers in paragraph 3 . But I dont really think that my D3 makes my D1 look scummy. Everyone lurked on D1, I explained reasonably why I chose not to write so much and I proposed a solution to the "no-information-lynch-problem" on D1. From the outside, I think I would have thought of myself as scummy after gosses nightly kill. I would have put myself under more pressure, but mainly, only blueyd said something about me. And I was able to make that sound like a retort to my attack on him (as I said "This is mainly because we've been at each other the whole game"). | ||
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"and gives a rather elaborate explanation of what has happened" This is only half of what had happened and half of what will happen. And It just fell right that way. But to be true, it was easy to foresee the things that are going to happen. Therapist was under the gun so he definitly will vote someone else. BlueyD was suspicious of me before, so therapist could be pretty sure that BlueyD will switch with him to me. The only person this whole post was adressed to, was lazin. I wanted to make him think that (since it happened like I said) I can not be scum, because the only way that would work is that if Nova was scum as well. And since he was fairly sure that nova was green, that gamble was worth the risk. My/our idea as scum was pretty easy: Since Nova had been labeled "green" by lazin and someone else (dunno anymore), we wanted to play this out. We both attacked someone else (me blueyd, him therapist) to see which one the last towny will fall for. It was unlucky for me that he chose therapist, since it would have made me a little better looking if I didnt have to switch votes, but in the end, I think it was the best way. Because if Nova had to change his vote, this would make therapist or blueyd more keen to make a case against him (e.g."why the change now?"). My last postings before the last hour were all directed at lazin (see communication theory sender-reciever) although I talked to or about others. It was all to convince lazin to stay with nova and me. When D3 began, I voted for blueyd and he instantly followed, I knew that we'd won. The rest was just trench-fights. He had made his mind up (although he said otherwise, I think he was fairly sure that therapist and blueyd were scum) and so I knew we won. | ||
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