Do town and yourself a favor and try to hunt scum like you so claimed to be doing?
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On April 22 2012 13:37 johnnywup wrote: paqman thats scummy of you. You spend all day saying why mattchew is scum and then you sheep him (note: i know its not completely sheeping). BM is definitely scummy but you spend all day saying why mattchew is scummy...why didn't you vote for him? ffs And it's blatantly idiotic of you to not vote for a dude who's been lurking the entire game and suddenly makes an unannounced vote without no explanation whatsoever. Have you not read my posts? I voted for Matt the second I started to think he's scummy. | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:40 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:13 slOosh wrote: slOosh's "VisceraEyes is scum" case. First item: VE's rebuttal of Gonzaw's plan.. Notice how VE does not actually discuss the pros and cons of the plan itself, but instead chooses to only talk about how unfeasible it is based solely on the idea of a non-cooperative JK (which might not even exist). His point by point breakdown ,which he says is for "ease of comprehension", is actually an excuse to set up strawmen, as he avoids talking about the plan itself but rather nitpicks at each point on inconsequential points. Go read the post. If you can honestly see any of the points being valid discussion of gonzaw's plan, then let's discuss that. But all I see is "analysis" used as an excuse to paint gonzaw in a bad light. No actual valid points. Second item: VE's "scumslip" catch If you look at gonzaw's post in question, you will see that he consistently uses plural pronouns "we", and so it would be totally natural to use "our" to describe the plan. Yet VE chooses to vote after catching this "scumslip", rather than demonstrating to town how gonzaw is proposing an anti-town agenda in the giant "analysis" of his rebuttal. Third item: VE's evasion when asked for clarification The post linked is the start of the evasion. Watch how Ottoxlol brings up how VE's rebuttal doesn't make much sense, and multiple times VE evades it without really wanting to flesh out his reasoning and discuss his stance. Townies aren't scared to discuss their stances - only mafia are scared of scrutiny as they fear their scum agenda being revealed. More prodding and VE gives this "explanation" To which Ottoxlol points out how illogical that is Final item: VE's apathy, misrepresentation and fearmongering (no link as there are 2 quotes) Note how VE clearly has a stance (thinks gonzaw's plan is ridiculous and terrible) but doesn't actually move to help explain and convince town why it is bad. Instead, it is like "you guys do what you want, I don't advise it, it is clearly pro scum, but you guys decide if you want to do it or not". Why wouldn't a townie be more vocal and start convincing people why it is bad if they truly believed it was pro scum agenda? Why would they be so apathetic? Fearmongering comes in the first line - it is true that this plan outs our vigs, but really - to say that it "gives scum all the information they need" is quite the exaggeration, and as discussed by others, the information isn't that valuable (cf. Ottoxlol's post in my third point). Misrepresentation is in the last line - gonzaw thinks that VE is scum because of his apathy and focus on irrelevant points and lack of proper scumhunting. (here and here) Again, he hasn't bothered to explain why this information is detrimental to town, and is instead misinterpreting it to make it seem like scum agenda. His whole beef is centered on how this plan outs our vigs, but he has never bothered explaining why that is bad, and intentionally does not acknowledge how it is different from other mass claims because it is actually 1) only making vigs claim, and 2) vigs have the death miller mechanic, which is the crux of gonzaw's plan. Conclusion: VisceraEyes has displayed a lack of scumhunting, misrepresentation of facts, fearmongering, evasion, apathy to town agenda and illogical arguments. Therefore, he must be scum. ##Vote VisceraEyes I am a non-cooperative Jailkeeper. I'm reading through the thread now, but before you put any more thought into a case against me, my view on gonzaw's plan was skewed from the viewpoint of a non-cooperative JK because I am a non-cooperative JK. I don't want vigs to claim because I don't feel like surrendering my power for town's use. I just did that same thing in Space Station Mafia and I didn't want to do it this game. Now, I understand that claiming does has this exact same effect, so I guess we're at a stalemate. The good news is, I'm town and now that I'm back I intend to help find scum. ^^ /salute WTF is this? | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:47 Mattchew wrote: Its VE becoming more evident, proving my statement correct I don't buy that bullshit, you were wishy-washy about VE so that you could say "I TOLD YOU SO." On April 22 2012 11:05 Mattchew wrote: Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. | ||
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On April 22 2012 13:53 Mattchew wrote: as said before, i gave him 9 hours and people (included yourself) wanted an opinion on him. I gave one. Sorry I was right? I call complete bullshit. You don't make any sense whatsoever. The way you state your "scumread": Visceraeyes is still looking scummy too. he needs to start making sense of his nonsense case or I will vote him to be lynched. Makes it sound like you've always been suspicious of him. It contradicts your previous null claim. Sorry I was right? Right about WHAT??? Your latest opinion on VE labels him as scummy. WTF are you talking about? Every single one of your posts are so inconsistent with each other that it's ridiculous. You're so scummy it's making my eyes bleed every time I filter through your posts. I just don't know which one to pick. Scum A or Scum B. You're both scum to me. | ||
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On April 22 2012 14:09 Mattchew wrote: i said that i was suspicious of his reasoning for voting gonzaw, and I was, my suspicion of him only grew with time. I see now why he posted what he did, as i said there was probably a reason for it. thats why I'm right. I never contradicted anything... why do I let people get under my skin every game. your my new Mrzentor what the hell are you talking about. You went from having a null claim on VE, to scummy. And somehow you were right? My vote's going back to Mattchew. I'm sure once the rest of town wakes up most will vote for BM but I am absolutely confident that Mattchew is scum. | ||
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On April 22 2012 14:17 Mattchew wrote: i am talking about how i said that I was wary of VE but I was not convinced he was scum (AKA NULL). As time went on he slide further and further towards scum to me. How is this that hard to understand? It's hard to understand because you're saying that you were right when you were clearly wrong. You said he was scummy. He confesses to being JK ??????????? You say you were right all along. Do you not see the flawed logic in there?... I'm done. I feel like I'm getting even more stupid by just arguing with you. | ||
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On April 22 2012 14:23 Mattchew wrote: i say that he needs to explain himself better time goes on with no explanation i get asked my opinion on him and call him scummy cause of this time that has past VE JK claims ???? Connect 1 and 4 for correct answer And that's EXACTLY why you're wishy-washy. You have two stances on VE. What if VE had gotten lynched at the end of the day and flipped scum? You would have said "OH I TOLD YOU SO!". and you'd quote yourself. You've still failed to do any real scumhunting even though you claim to be doing so, your posts are inconsistent, and you're avoiding choosing a side on everything. Your opinions on other people are all wishy-washy and you've yet to do anything productive and pro-town. You're scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:28 ghost_403 wrote: I think a BM lynch is a terrible idea (vig shout would be fine though). I don't think I've ever seen a case where a ninja vote was due to someone being scum. There's too much risk and no reward for scum in this situation. I think he's just insane. I really don't like the fact that Sentinel immediately jumped on the lynch BM bandwagon. Trying to lynch insane players is scummy in my book. Same goes for you Mattchew. Why would scum even try to ninja vote? It makes way more sense to sheep instead. No one would have thought twice if BM had shown up in thread and said "lol VE scum ##vote VE". VE's claim is bad. He's doing the same thing that he did in TLM LI in claiming when there's no reason to. I can't imagine scum VE doing the same thing twice, but now we're into WIFOM territory. In addition, JK is the only nonconfirmable role in the game. A vig shot shows up in the day post, and a tracker can confirm where someone went that night. It only makes sense that scum VE would claim JK. So after all this conundrum who do you think Town should be voting to lynch? | ||
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Gonzaw's case on Risen is bueno. Seeing as I'm the only one who supports a Mattchew lynch, Gonzaw's case is really tempting, more so than the other ones I've read. | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:44 ghost_403 wrote: @mattchew: This is my first game playing with BM. I don't know his meta well enough to know if ninja voting is something scum BM would do or not, but I do know this: there's no reason for scum to ninja vote almost a full day before the deadline. If he had voted five minutes before the night post, I would hold him accountable for it. But, a full day? That's not scummy, that's insane. I lynch people for scummy play, not insane play. @paqman: I'm still where I'm at last night: VE or Sentinel. Sentinel has only become more scummy in my book for jumping on the BM bandwagon like there's no tomorrow, and immediately voting against the person who called you out for lurking is a classic chainsaw defense. I still have no idea what VE is doing, and I don't see a good reason to buy his JK claim. It doesn't make sense to claim so far before the lynch. Aight cool. I was just checking to see if you were consistent with your previous claim of Sentinel being scum. | ||
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On April 23 2012 02:05 gonzaw wrote: How about we do this so all of us are happy?: -We lynch Risen now -A vig shoots BM tonight I don't see how my case was weak. The way I see it Risen seemed to fake his "aggressiveness" against laya. I think this because he changed his behaviour very quickly, going from "guy seemingly afraid to post" to "aggressive OMGUSer" in a matter of minutes (so to speak). Anyways, I'm going away now, so this will be my last post in a while. Good luck town, hopefully you don't do something stupid while I'm gone And what if Bill Murray is a GF? What should our vigi do after BM is shot but doesn't die? | ||
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On April 23 2012 01:45 PaqMan wrote: Also, this is pure speculation, but what if BM is a GF? We're dismissing him and assuming our vigi (if we even have one) will shoot him. Gonzaw's case on Risen is bueno. Seeing as I'm the only one who supports a Mattchew lynch, Gonzaw's case is really tempting, more so than the other ones I've read. I'm gonna follow up on this and switch my vote for Risen. | ||
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On April 23 2012 04:17 BlazingJitsu wrote: This is interesting, given that you are Marv's scumbuddy. -Blazinghand Oh jebus, you caught me. How about you try throwing down some proof instead of spouting out senseless crap. On April 23 2012 04:29 BlazingJitsu wrote: Gonzaw and Mememntoss just aren't very smart, and Paqman is scum trying to hide in an alternative wagon for the day end. -Blazinghand lolwut? If I wanted to ride a wagon then I'd be agreeing with all the bullshit capslock you throw at marv. If I was scum I'd leave my vote on Mattchew and wait until D1 ends. But it's obvious that I have no support at all behind my case against so I'm making my vote go to the next best thing, Risen. | ||
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