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Managed to get myself killed/lynched twice in 2 hours. | ||
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People are making too much out of blubbdavid, poor guy said one thing and everyone is interrogating him already. | ||
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On May 03 2012 18:54 Palmar wrote: ##Vote Blubbdavid On May 03 2012 21:02 Palmar wrote: Kenpachi, is this a good vote? On May 03 2012 21:47 Palmar wrote: I like grush, he seems funny. On May 03 2012 21:55 Palmar wrote: Shut your whore mouth Mattchew On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote: Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well... Two options: 1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest. 2. He is scum, scumming scum. (Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol) I'm not overly willing for "it's Palmar" to be an excuse for this behaviour. | ||
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Because if you're playing for town, you should play pro-town. Not troll like a douchebag. You're clearly very capable of strong town play, what's your motivation for one-liners and throwaway votes here? | ||
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Well, the fact that a lot of people say so. And people don't say that much about many guys (they're probably all in Liar in fact) | ||
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On May 04 2012 02:59 BlackRaven wrote: What? You're voting for someone because you're not good enough to work out his alignment? :3 That's not what he said, why wilfully represent his post? | ||
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This is typical townie overreaction mode and we're just gonna lose discussion on anything else if it carries on. | ||
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On May 04 2012 08:50 PaqMan wrote: Alright marv, any interesting reads on anyone? I see BH is doing is typical D1 tunnel routine. I've played 1 or 2 games with Palmar a long while back and his play obviously looks incredibly off. Although, that was many many months ago. Well the last 5 pages we've just had DoYouHas arguing with whichever hydra it was and BH glaring at grush with grush flailing his arms. I wish I had more to analyse. I have no idea what Palmar is up to. | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:08 PaqMan wrote: Where are you at, Mattchew? wait, can I play that game by proxy from this thread? please say yes | ||
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On May 05 2012 01:45 SomethingAwesome wrote: He havent posted yet. He isn't lurking he is just not here. If he pops up I'll bring my entire wrath down on him but until he does he is a modkill to me so I see no reason to waste time arguing over him. So you think we should kill Grush because its the only case? You don't really care who we lynch? Who would you favour lynching at the moment, sir? | ||
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On May 05 2012 02:02 Mementoss wrote: I would like to hear the same from you actually Marveoulosity I'm not sure you deserve an answer if you're not going to spell my name right. At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:00 DoYouHas wrote: Grush's initial missteps and then claiming scum twice (even if it is sarcastic) makes him a decent lynch. You all seem to be avoiding having an opinion on the main part of my post. Your analysis on Katina's 'lie' seems to be sound enough, the problem I have with it is that Katina generally has quite an odd posting style, so I'm not sure how much I should make of it, especially as the post in question was aimed at renowned finger-pointer BlazingHand. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:29 slOosh wrote: Are like 10 players getting modkilled for not voting or am I missing something? I've not voted yet as I have no certainty whatsoever over who I should be voting for. Deadline in 1hr 30, right? | ||
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On May 04 2012 15:22 Kurumi wrote: Ay! EDIT: Actually it's extended by one hour. Heavy is Pootis. Does this mean it is now 23:00 BST? | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:49 layabout wrote: Look how few votes the candidate have Look how weak the cases are Look how easily the 5 player scumteam could swing the vote See how unlikely we are to hit mafia Lynch a player that will be anti town either way. Vote BillMurray Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote: I have a suspicion: What if BM is scum, but doesn't want to play/ doesn't have time, so he sacrifices himself for the other scum? What are you talking about? | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:38 layabout wrote: @marvellosity, they are essentially the same thing. Since "scummy" means that you think they "look like scum" the "scummiest playe"r must be the player that you "think looks the most like scum" and a solid scumread is a player that you think is scum. No, if i have 3 peanuts and a hazelnut, the hazelnut may be the sweetest but it is still not a sweet. Fuck that was a terrible analogy | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:50 Bill Murray wrote: Oh, I have a wagon on me? Great. I haven't been able to read this game personal life issues + the other I'm in I'd like to be allowed a day to properly scumhunt, if I am the leading wagon. It's always 'real life issues' and 'you'll do something later' but you never actually do | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:53 grush57 wrote: Not like that, his most scummiest read, but it was a weak one. Hey now! I can speak for myself and I did so with a supercool analogy. | ||
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On May 05 2012 13:06 papapanda wrote: Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina. I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM. Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity. 1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough. 2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy. 3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me. I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue. Basically: FoS on marvellosity Just to humour you 1) seems like a good thing to me 2) switch sides? I voted for one person and also explained. ... ? 3) by association? ok. Is that it? | ||
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On May 05 2012 15:12 DoYouHas wrote: There is no question in my mind that Palmar should be the next one on the chopping block. It is like he is trolling the town, waiting to see just how much he can get away with before we lynch him. His posts are a joke, he has been lurking in spite of being called out numerous times, and he tops it all off with a ninja vote onto a townie bandwagon. Unless something drastic changes, I want Palmar dead tomorrow. I'm down with this, but I also want to look at layabout as he seems to have a few people poking him. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:06 l10f wrote: Hey guys, I'm town this game ^____________^ Who do you think actually deserves it then? Not many people have posted yet, not too many people to blame. You've just stood out among the few~ Doesn't mean you're mafia, every discussion helps though! Let's kinda point some fingers... but not call someone scummy at the same time. Let's discuss things, yay! On May 05 2012 13:00 l10f wrote: Sorry guys, it was last day of class and I was very busy! Grush suspected both Katina and sinani, and DoYouHas had a strong case on Katina as well. Layabout defending Katina and convinced the town to vote for BM instead. I suspect him of being scum. The remaining two scums are probably also in the BM bandwagon near the middle. Fluffy apology. Summary summary summary. Fingerpointing followed by some nice unprovable speculation about the BM lynch. Anything concrete to say? | ||
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On May 06 2012 03:51 Eiii wrote: Discussion about players at night is what I don't like. It feels like it's a time where the ball is in scum's court, and giving them more information with which to decide who's best to kill from town. I'd rather we be the ones to choose who dies after a day of discussion instead of letting scum have that chance. Not to mention it can be helpful for blue hunting-- if someone isn't too active during the day and then becomes a good deal more interested in discussing players and trying to root out scum during the night or whatever, then maaaaybe they have a power role of some sort? I just don't think it's a good idea, so I try to avoid doing it. So effectively you're happy with spending 1/3 time we have not hunting scum? | ||
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But carry on dear... you never really got over BH's tunnelling of me last game, did you? P.S. Question for you and all of you 1) do you think layabout is a fairly intelligent reasoned player? if yes, proceed to 2 2) do you think layabout scum would make the mistake of not advocating policy lynch and then making one on BM? Personally my answer is no, which is why I am not comfortable on his case | ||
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On May 06 2012 07:33 Mementoss wrote: Let me ask you a question back. 1) Do you think Marvellosity is good pro town player? if yes, proceed to 2 2) Why did Marvellosity avoid pressuring players or committing to anything all of day 1? Now go up and replace Marvellosity with Nova_Terra or Layabout. Added on to this, there is scummy contradictions within these cases that help add up to make me think any of the three of you could be scum. Added to the fact that Katina flipped scum, and the interactions you and Layabout had with him. Also you are giving scum players too much credit. Did you think a scum player would last minute vote switch causing a tie and lynching the opposite person, when both players are townie? These things happen to scum by mistake, or are just plain moves to fuck with you. This being said, who is your biggest scum read and why? There are moves to fuck with you (a la Risen) and then there is saying one thing and doing the other (as with layabout this case). Imo these two scenarios are not the same. Re f5-ed the thread to see BH's comment - fuck you, sweetheart. To your final question - I don't know. This is why I've prodded l10f not so long ago. Sinensis and Eiii are not far behind on who I'd like to hear a lot more from (sinensis for general quietness, Eiii because for his own reasons doesn't like talking at night, so I want him to talk more during the day). while I'm here, Nova hasn't provided any further commentary on who he finds scummy. Personally I get where he's coming from in not wanting to push something when he hasn't got anything solid, but having stated he had reads it'd be pretty nice to hear them. Summary: nope, no bigly strong scumread at the moment. wanna hear more from people i've not heard much from, because at the moment i only have anti-scum reads (layabout, grush) | ||
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Eh, apparently so. Possibly I am a tool. will check your filter :x | ||
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On May 06 2012 08:33 marvellosity wrote: Eh, apparently so. Possibly I am a tool. will check your filter :x Eh no, I remember reading the case and not thinking much of it sorry :/ especially as he's since made a case against me/layabout. Pretty much my bad. | ||
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On May 07 2012 01:08 ghost_403 wrote: In addition to that, he pushed a case on l10f based on two posts. Seriously? He's not here, that doesn't make him scum. Gold star to JDub for being the first person to call me out for not posting here in two or three days. So I put pressure on someone who barely posted and I get put on the naughty step. jdub does the same to you and he gets a gold star. kk ghost. | ||
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On May 07 2012 02:10 ghost_403 wrote: @marv: Stating someone is not posting in game is not the same as calling them scum for not posting in the game. That's why JDub got a star. Jealous? Where did I call him scum? I called him out for not posting much and what he did post was mainly fluff. Didn't read the thread lol ghost eh? | ||
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A day without posting and we get this: On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi Just nothingness. What I don't get is that he had a 'big' case on Mementoss where he reels off a bunch of whole things about why Mementoss is scummy. Except he's basically completely willing to abandon this read because he doesn't like a Kenpachi connection case. It's fair enough not liking connection cases, but to abandon your top read over it? Also looking back this post is just smelly On May 04 2012 14:46 Nova_Terra wrote: i resent the fact that many of the players here are well known and have much more sway because of it. I dont even feel like posting when someone will just as easily do something else and get followed. And also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum. Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd. Reads as: "I don't wanna post. I don't wanna post. Kill the people who don't wanna post". After the point I criticised him for not giving his reads, he subsquently gives Mementoss, then has a go at Kenpachi, a bunch of fluff, abandons case on mementoss, afks for a day and a one-liner on Kenpachi. I do not like at all. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o Instead of posting useless shit like this, why not devote your time to filters and a case like you promised? | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:13 papapanda wrote: Interesting idea mentioned by layabout. The WIFOM would be the mafia knew katina/206 would be modkilled, should they... A) backstab katina/206 and later claim "ooh I called it, dawgs!" [grush?], or should they... B) vote BM and not backstab in hope of katina/206 returning or avoiding someone analyzing their actions as option A)?[layabout/marvel/JW?] I think lynching layabout is a good option because it can give us hints regardless of his alignment. More so, like Eiii mentions above, if he flips red, but also to some extent points to grush if he flips blue. I also agree with Eiii that if layabout IS red, marvel should be our next lynch. However, I don't agree with Eiii on me being a good shoot option. T-T Afterthought after F5: layabout, I think if you are blue, grush might be our next suspect. Good god. Are you calling layabout scum or not? And if so, why? Useless post of connections without even making a stance on layabout's alignment, yukyukyukyukyuk. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:27 layabout wrote: But you have time to tell us that you don't have time to post? Indeed, and multiple times at that. These responses have just helped firm up my read. ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:50 Nova_Terra wrote: aggressively jumping, that is Would have been quite easy for me to bandwagon you on day 1 instead of BM though, wouldn't it? | ||
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On May 07 2012 06:08 Nova_Terra wrote: him and i were/ are interchangably easy. you progress from him to me. your point? Because my switch to BM has set off some bells from mem/you etc. I could have avoided this by just voting you on Day 1. | ||
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Look at his filter since a few of us called him out at about the same time yesterday. It's all sarcastic one-liners or posts that say so little I can't even find one worth quoting and putting here. He said he hasn't had time to make a case but he has had time to post about 15 times without saying anything. Since I called him out on abandoning Mementoss for what was a non-case on Kenpachi, he tells us he still thinks Mementoss is scummy but it didn't seem to get much support - did he push it? no. While he's at it, he also decides to point fingers at me and also blubbdavid, with a maximum of one sentence to back either up. It seems he is active, but unwilling to build or push any sort of case, instead preferring spam and fingerpointing all round. Still looks like scum. | ||
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If this were a case on Mementoss or layabout (as examples) I'd be switching my vote now. My question though - are you sure it's not just because blubbdavid is bad? The impression, even from his pregame post On May 02 2012 21:24 blubbdavid wrote: Was about time. Watch out scum, because I will survive till the last day because I don't contribute much even though I am town sigh is that he doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't think properly. So there are a lot of DYH's case where he's pointing at blubb making terrible connections, or talking about lynching for information, etc. which could be explained away as terrible town. For reference, in LIII I resisted the lynch of Ottoxlol, a superscummy player, for 2 days on day 2 and day 3 because I thought he was just bad town, and that was in the end proven correct. Which is why in this circumstance I want to be convinced blubb is actually scummyscumscum and not just bad townie. | ||
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On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet. ##vote: Blubbdavid Hmm, my reads had them the other way round in that regard | ||
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On May 05 2012 10:01 johnnywup wrote: ok LIII is done I'll be a lot more active now This was Friday evening for jdub. Quite a long time ago. So, the content came a-flowing, right? Of course not. So let's have another excuse shall we, 2 days later after his last promise to be active: On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much. So this is a different reason. Just in case we missed it, of course: On May 07 2012 10:06 johnnywup wrote: Like I said, I've been super addicted to this 999 game and I'll be putting a LOT more time into this game. I've been alt tabbing and reading what's going on, to keep up (I guess you can call that lurking but I've just been wanting to get all 6 endings to this game asap, but i'll town it down and be more active in thread now that I see it's an issue). If you don't believe me, fine. I don't care. It's the truth. And so, I'll be posting more now, since people are thinking I'm scummy and lurky :u Holy shit. An entire paragraph... to explain why he's being useless. Repeated apologies, promises to do better without following through - classic scumtells. On May 07 2012 10:11 johnnywup wrote: Yeah, I'm watching. I guess you could say I'm not playing, or lurking, or whatever. But what I said is the truth. I'm a townie and I've just been super into a game. Anyways I'll make it up to you guys by playing much more from now on. And again. But wait, you might say, I saw him say something about blubb at some point once! Well, just to introduce jdub's point on blubb - On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial Bold is mine. Below I quote the only attempt at analysis from jdub for an age. On May 07 2012 11:12 johnnywup wrote: now that DYH brought up Blubb, this post caught my eye...it's a bit old but it's interesting. PALMAR IS SCUM SO I'M VOTING GRUSH. If we assume blubb is scum here, his actions don't really have a scum agenda. But they don't really have a town agenda either. I don't get it. I don't know if that's scummy or townie or not alignment telling at all but it's just weird. ESPECIALLY since palmar flipped town. Palmar flipping town means that if blubb is scum, grush is almost definitely town. But even that doesn't make much sense because blubb made a semi-case on palmar. I don't see an agenda from town or scum here, it's just "I think one person is scum so I'm gonna vote for some other guy that I also think is scum but didn't make a case on". It's just ... weird This is all the analysis. Let's have a look at what he's saying. 1) if blubb is scum, his actions aren't scummy. if he's town, his actions aren't townie. Not saying anything other than it's odd 2) Pointless pontification on Palmar - blubb - grush alignment connections? 3) still doesn't look townie OR scummy 4) Conclusion: stuff is 'weird' Biggest pile of wishywashy paragraph I can imagine. No firm stances, no nothing at all, really. If that's substantial then I'll... well, I'll leave it for BH. On May 08 2012 03:37 johnnywup wrote: I agree with DYH and I'll be voting blubb. I had some of the same thoughts but he put it into words. Finally things are rounded off with his sheepy vote on blubb, possibly (but not certainly?) backed up by his non-accusation quoted above. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Currently Nova_Terra has not done anything to dissuade me from the belief he's scum, so he is still at the moment my top-read. But johnnywup is not far behind, for his incessant apologies, promises to post more, failure to deliver as such, and awful pretense at analysis/scumhunting. | ||
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On May 08 2012 21:25 froggynoddy wrote: Hmmm, to me Jdub falls into the SA's list of players who: 'are not even trying to appear to act in town best interest which makes it hard to weed out the bad townies from the scum ones'. I need to have a look at NT again, I thought that blubb's case was stronger but perhaps I was wrong. Still don't like Kenpachi btw... But the point is jdub is perfectly capable of playing very pro-town, but in this game he seemingly refuses to. 'bad town' simply isn't a valid excuse for him. | ||
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On May 09 2012 04:04 johnnywup wrote: Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little. I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize. Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/ To the bold: what is this? Town should never lynch for further information, but rather that you're scum. This whole post doesn't even constitute a defence. It's not so much the general activity, it's more the broken promises. You posted that LIII finished and you'd be more active, you weren't. You claimed you would look at filters and come up with something substantial, you didn't. | ||
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Pretty annoyed about jdub atm. | ||
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Another notch against him, so feeling pretty confident that he's scum. ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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On May 09 2012 06:01 Kurumi wrote: I will think about all modkills from this game in the postgame. Leave this alone please. | ||
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On May 09 2012 06:46 Nova_Terra wrote: how is my vote on kenpachi an omgus thats a filter check which saw nothing of use. and connection cases are terrible and please, i at least think my scum play is not so dumb that i would get myself bussed by an ally then start a vote against said ally with no xontent with the purpose of getting him lynched Don't try to use Kenpachi's mod-kill as an excuse - he was never at any real risk of being lynched, and if he was still present it would have just been a nice little bussing move. To the bold: instead we're supposed to believe you're so negligent as townie that you promise content after you sleep, but then you decide to try to defer it yet another day? | ||
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On May 09 2012 07:36 PaqMan wrote: marvel I want you to tell me why you don't think layabout isn't scum, or why you think NT is scummier than laya. still reading into NT. Yep, got notepad on the go atm, post to follow | ||
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layabout Alright, for reference I spoiler Paqman's case against layabout below. There are some points I agree with, others a bit less so. + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 11:56 PaqMan wrote: layabout, and why he's getting my Finger of Suspicion. #1 I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: here In that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more. What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case. In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote: here: This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this. In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever. #2 And here are two little points that need to be noted: + Show Spoiler [P1] + On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on. I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him. He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills. He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself. + Show Spoiler [P2] + On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote: we should kill Palmar tomorrow Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment. When asked why, he posts this: On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote: @Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote: Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler + the FA cup final was on Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame. And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum. #3 Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote: @papapanda, The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub: skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700 These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote: Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP. Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote: it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote: im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote: bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote: i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote: matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] + On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote: I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much. Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote: lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote: i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote: Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking. I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum. #4 The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote: If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them. On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote: frogg we are not lynching kenpachi. don't be silly. On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote: I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote: Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. On May 07 2012 22:26 layabout wrote: EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information? But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does. On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote: It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi. I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? SO HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM! lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread. KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard. Remind me why you wanted BM lynched. #5 + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote: well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him he would normally leave me around if he's town of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote: layabout is scum, SA is town I will not move my vote from layabout -snipped- Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them. Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to; 1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while. 2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting. 3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting. 4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's. 5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout: He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads. I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow. His push of a policy lynch on BM followed by his defence of Kenpachi is, as you rightly point out, totally contradictory. This looks scummy. This is a pretty large part of your case, but given the number of posts layabout dedicates to it, it seems fair enough. It also seems correct that his case on blubb came out of the blue a little, and the post you quote in your point about blubb is surprisingly vague - it's as if he's narrating a story rather than giving an opinion. I don't hold that much weight with the two dead mislynches thinking layabout was suspicious. It could be damning, it could not - this is more like confirmation evidence to me. The point on the jdub post is neutral - it was a good post, because it was calling jdub out for not playing to his town meta in any way. Where it falls down is that it doesn't actually make a definitive statement about jdub at the end - although the implication is clear. The strongest evidence against layabout is in summary points 3) and 5) in conjunction. layabout has spent practically the whole game defending himself, with the significant read on blubb being brought about by DoYouHas's case. If the accusations on layabout were so weak, why does he continually feel the need to defend himself? Answer them once (maybe even twice), but if they keep getting regurgitated he should move on and do scumhunting himself, as that is the best townie defence of all. It's well documented that it's a classic mafia mind-set to feel the need to defend yourself constantly, even after having already done so. I think layabout has a decent chance of flipping scum. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nova_Terra The case against Nova_Terra is in many ways simpler. He actually has 4 pages of filter but precious little to say in any of it. Typical scum trait is lots of posts, little content. His one and only case so far was on Mementoss, and is remarkably incoherent and lacking in actual evidence. There are a lot of 'reasons' why Mementoss is scum, but no evidence to back it up. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:00 Nova_Terra wrote: In accordance with popular demand, i will share my top scumread which is currently Mementoss (not based on OMGUS) mementoss starts off suggesting to policy lynch two people, etc. Makes a few totally unneccessary 1 liners, and then when he is called out on it he goes NO WAIT i has reason, then decided to teach us, which just came off freaking weird. Then he goes aggressive on layabout, throwing suspicion while not doing much of anything, then joins the Grush did something scummy this looks really bad group. not original. then after blazing notes something on me he joins in that too, and makes remarks in an unsure way, seeming to want to be able to backtrack if necessary. then, when called out on it, he goes into defensive aggression mode and suddenly gains massive confidence which hadnt been in his play before. Overall 1liners Enlightens us on 1 liners throws suspicion while not doing much at all joins scummy bandwagon seems unsure agrees with an Oh i noticed the same thing! makes arguments based on my meta, which is questionable entirely based on the fact that i never play this lurky, town or scum randomly gets massively confident, as opposed to his earlier play, its as if someone told him to be more sure and so ##Vote: Mementoss Moving swiftly on from Mementoss, this time we get a Kenpachi accusation: On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi His case against him being, what? That he's worthless? That's not a case. When I prod him on why he dropped his case on Mementoss, we get this: On May 07 2012 05:16 Nova_Terra wrote: I never abandoned my case on mementoss. However i feel that a lynch on him has a lot of resistance and therefore i am expanding my horizons. . Well, actually he did abandon his case. He was throwing up a badly made case on Mementoss, and then he did not push it in any single way, and wildly stabs at Kenpachi. Yes, this is abandoning the case. While we're around Kenpachi: On May 09 2012 08:02 PaqMan wrote: The argument that NT "bussed" Kenpachi is so invalid. He made it known that he wanted KP dead more than 4 days ago. If anyone should look suspicious for bussing it should be me. Which I'm really really surprised no one has even mentioned that. It's so invalid? Need I remind you of LIII, where, I dunno, scum Mattchew repeatedly pushed for a scum BM lynch on days 1 and 2 (and possibly beyond?). He did this safely in the knowledge that BM wasn't going to be lynched at that time. You find layabout's case on blubb suspicious, but at least it isn't as outrageously wishy-washy as this: On May 07 2012 05:37 Nova_Terra wrote: I find blubb leaning slightly scum actually, as his filter is a mass of 1 liners which barely say anything of note and defense of himself. I do find it strange that he isnt pushing me if he is scum, because im an obvious target and it would be a super ez town lynch. On May 07 2012 05:46 Nova_Terra wrote: Marv seems good at posting early 1 liners and then aggressively onto easy and profitable bandwagons. he is one of my top scumreads that i had earlier and as you see he throws fingers at me for good measure. The following 2 posts are obvious: On May 07 2012 23:35 Nova_Terra wrote: Finished my exam, will sleep for a while then try to be useful :D On May 09 2012 06:32 Nova_Terra wrote: I'll post some analysis after classes tomorrow, but i do want to note how i had an accurate read on kenpachi and left my vote on him. there was no reason at that point in time to bus kenpachi, had i been scum. Always with the delay. What scum-hunting have we had from Nova_Terra so far? We haven't. A quickly abandoned case on Mementoss, a go at Kenpachi, a go at me, and calling blubb vaguely scummy. In 4 pages of filter. Wow. Lastly, there is the totally unsatisfactory answer to the contradiction that BH points out: On May 09 2012 07:10 Nova_Terra wrote: When this behavior is continued on and on, it obviously makes someone more scummy "When this behaviour is continued on and on". What has actually changed between the two dates? Kenpachi gets mod-killed and flips scum, and layabout defended him a couple of times in the interim. This is apparently enough to make Nova go from "I don't think he's scum for these reasons" to "actually for the same reasons I DO think he's scum". Pretty scummy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overall, Nova has done nothing to suggest to me that he isn't scum. He has a long filter with no scumhunting, but plenty of throwaway accusations. He contradicts himself. layabout has points against him and a decent chance of flipping scum, but I am more convinced with my read on Nova, because I see the possibility that layabout is just a frustrated townie who has been goaded into defending himself too much. | ||
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On May 09 2012 09:55 PaqMan wrote: Look at layabout with a scum point of view and his entire filter is incriminating. He's contradicting himself everywhere. He's pushing other peoples reads instead of making his own, even when asked. He doesn't make & push his own reads. He isn't actively hunting scum. He's so preoccupied with defending himself. He puts way more effort into writing quarter-page posts instead of hunting scum. He isn't contributing to town. If you look at the bigger picture, everything he's done has been pro-scum. Nova contradicts himself, when he pushes blubb he doesn't even push him, he didn't push his read on mem, he isn't actively hunting scum. He doesn't even put effort into writing any sort of meaningful post instead of hunting scum. He isn't contributing to town. I told you why Nova is my strongest read over layabout: On May 09 2012 08:55 marvellosity wrote: I see the possibility that layabout is just a frustrated townie who has been goaded into defending himself too much. | ||
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At the risk of repeating myself, Nova is my strongest read, layabout also has a good chance of flipping scum - but much like your Ottoxlol argument on Nova, my gut tells me layabout has a higher chance of being townie than nova. | ||
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On May 09 2012 12:31 l10f wrote: marvellosity! He's pretty much attacked every "easy" targets including BM, papa, me, N_T, (a little bit) blubb, and johnny. Protected Kenpachi and Katina, and he gets very defensive even at a one line poke at the side. Including all these quotes would make my post unnecessarily big, but I'm pretty confident on marv being scum. Just not letting this one slide. I attacked BM for saying 'he was busy' and 'he'd put more time in later' - an excuse he used as scum in LIII. Papa? I called a couple of his garbage posts garbage. You I called out for having made 2 posts. Supposed to leave lurkers alone? Nova_Terra - bothered to read my case on him? jdub - "town MVP" from LIII, and someone I took the time to actually point out the contradictions - easy target? When did I protect Kenpachi? Saying Katina's posting style is odd is now protecting her...kk. Is this it? To the bold: oh I know - including all these quotes would show you're talking out of your arse. If you're going to make a case, please make it, don't just make up a little unsubstantiated story. | ||
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On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote: Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv. Also here you completely forgo mentioning layabout. Apparently you have nothing to say on one of the main lynch candidates. | ||
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On May 10 2012 01:13 l10f wrote: Good catch, I didn't mention layabout because I already said I had doubts about his being mafia on day 2. I guess I should have clarified that my view on him didn't change. Now do you have anything else to day except nitpicking at my post? If by 'nitpicking' you mean 'pointing out you don't have a case', then no, no I do not. | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:40 Mementoss wrote: Its sad how little town reads I have of the remaining 12 people. Who are you favouring for the lynch after the activity in the last few pages? | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:48 Mementoss wrote: NT still. Layabout a close second. Only other person I think is suspicious that is not a total lurker is possibly paqman. I have null reads on a lot of the lurkers I don't know which one would be best. Sinesis or Froggy probably. Im going out to the pub now. Will look into it when I get back. NT still seems scummy as hell as does layabout. And all my current town reads are voting him which is usually a good sign. Gah not sure what to do. Will re-assess later. At the moment I have serious eyes on grush. I'd love to provide some sort of filter based analysis, but there is nothing. He seems to be living off his "I voted for katina and unvoted her immediately, and I spent two lines questioning sinani, when realistically this means nothing as they got mod-killed" mantra. Beyond that I see a lot of "lol you're scum!" posts in various guises. And one-liners that literally say nothing. I can't see anything pro-town in his filter. You scum grush? Or do you actually have a real case to make on somebody? One quote for giggles, as this is about your level of contribution: On May 09 2012 04:40 grush57 wrote: Why you aren't you scum? Don't you like easy lynches? | ||
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Meanwhile on grush, first note this: On May 10 2012 07:01 marvellosity wrote: Beyond that I see a lot of "lol you're scum!" posts in various guises. And one-liners that literally say nothing. I can't see anything pro-town in his filter. You scum grush? Or do you actually have a real case to make on somebody? Since then: On May 10 2012 09:59 grush57 wrote: Gl with that. Geez all the scummy players are voting for me :'( (Though nova went papapanda lol?) On May 10 2012 10:03 grush57 wrote: But yeah layabout is scum ##Vote: Layabout In light of the last quote, I decided to check on grush's posting history re: layabout. We go from this: On May 05 2012 05:50 grush57 wrote: I don't think we should lynch katina or layabout or whoever posted the last couple pages with actual discussion. to: On May 09 2012 04:40 grush57 wrote: Why you aren't you scum? Don't you like easy lynches? with nothing in between. A little later we might get some 'justification' (I use the word loosely) On May 10 2012 05:21 grush57 wrote: HAHAHAHAH well froggynoddy and layabout are confirmed scum, they just both went on my case as it was a coincidence, even though both cases suck. GL getting the town to lynch with you. grush is crusading against layabout with nothing to back it up. There's no nothing to back anything up ever in his filter really. grush57 is scum. | ||
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On May 11 2012 03:57 grush57 wrote: As in intelligent posting last day, as he is doing today. So do you think layabout is scum or not? | ||
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For what reasons? I couldn't find any in your filter other than that he made a case on you. Other than that - why do you then say "might just have to go to Nova vote"? what does that mean? | ||
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On May 11 2012 04:08 marvellosity wrote: For what reasons? I couldn't find any in your filter other than that he made a case on you. Other than that - why do you then say "might just have to go to Nova vote"? what does that mean? | ||
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On May 11 2012 04:23 grush57 wrote: Okay first layabout, only been gone over a million times, always siding with the scums and deflecting pressure off of them, contradicting, being scummy, voting for me with a shitty case filled with quotes of me one lining that doesn't suggest anything. Plus I actually have a chance of being lynched(I gaurantee atleast 1 of the scum are voting for me atm) and it would be disgraceful for another town flip. The scum are going for me because it is the best chance because I don't defend myself and only do one liners so it will be an easy lynch. Why isn't layabout making a case against Nova instead of me who was just lurking?(I started posting a lot once he made the case) For question 2, I said that because Layabout is a pretty good scum, getting caught doing sooo many scummy things but is so convincing proving his innocence that even I almost fell for the trap and went for Nova. However, layabout is a better scum than Nova, so It would be better to get Layabout now.(However Nova just be a bad townie like me, however I seriously doubt it, more sure of Layabout being scum) I dislike everything I've bolded. You admit you don't bother defending yourself, you admit you only do one-liners. Is layabout duty-bound to do a case on the other main lynch candidate? And worst of all, you're only posting more because someone called you out! Did you not have the urge to do anything to contribute to town before that then? Or just happy doing fuck-all until someone calls you out for it? | ||
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On May 11 2012 04:38 grush57 wrote: I had no reason to post until I got called out. Whenever I post I'm just an easy target for the scum. Plus I was out doing things. This is just enraging. The reason to post is to hunt scum. Not sit around doing jack shit. Why do you even sign up to play? Where is everyone else?! Lynch is so close. | ||
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Also the fact that everyone voting for layabout seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth approaching lynch-time, and he's set to be lynched. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:30 Blazinghand wrote: So from what I can tell NT is throwing away his vote on Panda presently. However, Grush has never made a case. The fact that layabout has voted him makes me not want to vote him, but it's possible there's a bus going on. Having examined grush's filter and finding 0 pro-town posting, I am willing to vote grush instead of N_T, but only if there's no chance of getting N_T lynched. Is anyone else around? Yes, I'm around. To the bolded bit - doesn't this imply you'd be happy with a layabout lynch at the moment ? | ||
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On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: I kinda like most of that proposal Come on man, you're better than this? Aren't you?! | ||
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On May 11 2012 19:21 Blazinghand wrote: If N_T is scum and we follow that proposal he auto-wins. Indeed, he could at least pretend to be interested in playing the game properly though. It saddens me how many townies must be left that aren't playing for town. Lynching down a list is just awful. "100% objective" - full of bullshit with, as usual for l10f, no reasoning given. Fucking stupid, and he's not the only one. | ||
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On May 11 2012 21:50 Mementoss wrote: Wait,wait,wait,wait what?! Does anyone else not see this. 1 is most likely scum and 11 is most likely town. So he thinks Me, BH, and froggy are more town then HIMSELF. WHEN HE KNOWS HIS OWN ROLE. WTF? If he was actually town he would be 100% confirmed town on his own list. This is a scum slip. If I10F is scum, scum most likely lies between number 4 and number 7. I'm not sure how much of a scum-slip this is, more of a stupid way to try to give legitimacy to his '100% objective' (?!) claim at the top. | ||
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On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote: The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything. So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right. I've bolded the bits that are even more bollocks than the rest. 1) you're sure they've led the mislynches? Eiii hasn't led anything, that's for sure. I've been in favour of a Nova_Terra lynch since night 1/day 2, and layabout led the BM lynch. Ergo, bollocks. 2) we have solid scumreads. tried reading the thread? bollocks. 3) you made it easier for us? a bollocks list based on the complete contradiction of point 1) made in a totally mythical 'completely townie point of view'? Bollocks. | ||
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On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: I kinda like most of that proposal Lends his support to a terrible plan based on lynching people with no cases made. Lest we forget, Nova's main read is apparently on papapanda. Which seemingly leads to this afterthought: On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: but i would prefer to lynch grush or papa over marv Realises he forgets to mention his main 'scumread'. Just all kinds of bad because he's lending tacit support to lynching Eiii first, for absolutely no discernable reason. On grush: I can't get over where he posted that he saw no reason to post until someone made a case on him. The anti-town sentiment there is just astonishing. So he lurks, doesn't scumhunt (because he doesn't feel the need? seriously, wtf), and only comes out the woodwork to defend himself. The irony is that he doesn't defend himself at all, he just posts crap. I think this guy is pretty scummy. At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:49 l10f wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 02:02 Eiii wrote: Didn't you read his 100% objective list?! He's like, 8th. list doesn't lie bro This guy gets away with posts like this and people accuse me for actually trying, lol. On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote: Ok, regarding Nova_Terra. He's not really posted anything, except for being even more scummy. Lends his support to a terrible plan based on lynching people with no cases made. Lest we forget, Nova's main read is apparently on papapanda. Which seemingly leads to this afterthought: Realises he forgets to mention his main 'scumread'. Just all kinds of bad because he's lending tacit support to lynching Eiii first, for absolutely no discernable reason. On grush: I can't get over where he posted that he saw no reason to post until someone made a case on him. The anti-town sentiment there is just astonishing. So he lurks, doesn't scumhunt (because he doesn't feel the need? seriously, wtf), and only comes out the woodwork to defend himself. The irony is that he doesn't defend himself at all, he just posts crap. I think this guy is pretty scummy. At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. Man, I should have never accused you bro, it seems like anyone who accuses you becomes instant scumread and you do everything you can to bend my words and make me look bad. How about this, we lynch Eiii and if he turns out town then you can do whatever with me. If he flips scum we follow my list. According to some we're in a good situation and we can afford a mislynch to oust an obvious scum like l10f. How did I twist your words? My analysis came directly from your list and a direct quote of yours. It's there for all to see. Eiii: why have you not responded to Paqman? | ||
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Uh huh, he only posts no-nos, can we just lynch him? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 10:35 PaqMan wrote: + Show Spoiler [laya post1] + On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote: zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing, together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! + Show Spoiler [laya post2] + On May 07 2012 06:36 Eiii wrote: Hey remember that time I prefaced a statement with 'ideally' and then you freaked the fuck out and took it as an actual defense of lurkers even when I explicitly said right beforehand that we should definitely be killing them? That was great. You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me! I refuse to believe you actually think this. Mislynching an active town-- or at least one that tries to defend himself-- has a completely different outcome than lynching a lurker who everyone just kind of agrees is *probably* going to be bad for town so whatever let's kill him. Here's how I see things: Day one is always a chaotic waste of time that usually results in a mislynch or something else equally retarded (e.g. BM lynch). Day two is then mostly driven by analyzing who did what day one and, with the information gained from the day/night deaths, how those actions look. And hey, what do you know, that's almost exactly how this game is going! A good chunk of the talk today has been about Kat/206 and how people connect to them or how they connect to others-- but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless. Let's pretend that you *actually* read and understood that and aren't just trying to attack me for whatever reason. Lynching you for information isn't even remotely close to lynching you because you're scum, and then looking into the connections that start popping up once you flip red. I want to kill you because you've done scummy things. You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day one and you defended another scum, which is suspicious in ways that have been brought up again and again. So I agree-- let's lynch scum! If only you had that same mantra day one, when you decided that you didn't like where the lynch was going so you just threw a lurker (or 'inactive', whatever) onto the fire, who you had no reason to believe was red. What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient. 'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.' ...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok. Eiii believed layabout was scum at the time of those posts. He then follows up with this: With his reason being: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:59 Eiii wrote: In my experience, when people blow up under pressure like this, they're usually scum :s Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. People need to put some attention on him and make him de-lurk. Good D4 lynch. All of my previous fos's were horrible. I will look into NT as a possible lynch and re-evaluate my opinions. The main point from within this post is here: On May 11 2012 10:35 PaqMan wrote: Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. Not even really that much of an accusation. Having looked back at it though, Eiii's switch to blubb doesn't look great. Eiii actually makes a couple of pretty extensive posts on layabout with many paragraphs and argument, and then spends a whole sentence going 'k, gonna vote someone else now'. This is worth mentioning because it was practically the only time in the game Eiii bothered to make any extensive posts. This does look scummy. However, he is easily overshadowed by stronger scum prospects. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nova_Terra: For me the mind boggles that BH has moved his vote off him. Nova has suddenly hopped on the Eiii train somehow. On May 12 2012 07:13 Nova_Terra wrote: Cases and posts against Eiii are at least convincing enough to warrant his vote. Therefore, i would like to see how he flips for info. He goes on to quote a bunch of layabout's posts, so these are clearly the convincing enough cases he is referring to (l10f never made a case, Paqman's was a FoS). Nova has taken to sheeping a dead townie. Like "ah, this townie thought this dude was scum, so he has to be a valid target for me!" except we never actually get anything new from Nova except this: On May 13 2012 00:56 Nova_Terra wrote: Doesnt scumhunt, seemed to suggest that lurkers shouldnt be lynched, the fact that dead players say he is scum, defensively oriented This... this is not a case. Remember this? + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2012 04:17 Nova_Terra wrote: Just got back from yet another apple store, looks like im gonna have to take an hour train ride to get to a place where teh iphone can be repaired for around 150$ isnt it wonderful So anyway, as I promised i will be making an effort to do some analysis, i decided to do a bit of filter analysis on papapanda Please read his filter along with this case papapandas filter is surprisingly short. I didnt realize this until i actually went through his filter. Less than 2 pages. Papapanda starts off the game decently, actually. He seems to post some minor analysis on behavior at the beginning of the game in regards to blubb and grush. However, at the same time, i noticed a bit of noncommittal behavior on his thoughts on blubb. "i thought he probably misread, but im still somewhat suspicious" just say you have a neutral read if you're neutral on him. Then he kinda tries to make a very early bandwagon target. I dont like that. Then theres a bunch of 1 liners, with a question that makes it seem like he is contributing. he likes to continually state that he will lynch/unvote blubb, while at the same time saying nothing else about anyone. another thing to note is he puts a "placeholder vote" on blubb in case he cant make the deadline, effectively setting himself up to not be there and not post if he doesnt have to. Then he jumps on the GRUSH BE HELPFUL NOT THIS SHIT "contribution" bandwagon. Now here comes the parts that i think are pretty scummy. This post goes like this SOFT DEFENSE SOFT DEFENSE AGREEMENT AGREEMENT SOFT DEFENSE and fluff. then he says he is totally undecided. come on, really? you can make a post spamming agreement and soft defense, but you cant make a solid read? Next comes a puny case of marvellosity after saying a conspiracy theory about how BM's lynching was orchestrated by scum, which seems mighty convenient coming from someone who soft defended BM and didnt take part in his lynch Then he reposts an idea from layabout and says its "interesting", then agrees again with someone else and sets up a cute little train "marv next after layabout" setting up for future lynch. Goes on to criticize defense again and agains, and now he goes back to a neutral read on blubb. and says that the only reason to think blubb was scum was becuase of his slip day 1 (wait, didnt he say that he thought this wasnt scummy and he could have easily done the same thing?) And some more 1 liners. Later, "i can see why you want to lynch N_T but like N_T said" MORE AGREEMENT, MORE AGREEMENT, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO PUSH SOMETHING OTHER THEN LAYABOUT/MARV MOOOOOOORE Then he seems like hes making a misunderstanding about mementoss on purpose allaround, Agrees a shitton, 1 liners a ton, and tunnels a good bit, soft defends so he can use it later so right now i feel comfortable putting a vote on him ##Vote: papapanda Gone and forgotten. l10f comes out with this superhandy list and hey presto, Nova has an easy bandwagon target to jump on, completely abandoning his previous read. Scummy as fuck. There's something else that caught my eye because it reminded me of something from LIII. On May 12 2012 21:02 Nova_Terra wrote: If you take a look through Layabouts and Eiii's filters, you will notice that there is a lot of suspicions of Eiii throughout. Eiiis filter comes across to me as defensively oriented, and he has been under suspicion all game. as l10f is going hard on him now, it makes sense to me that if one of them is scum the other is almost certainly innocent, and if one of them is town the other is probably scum. Also now is not the time to be mislynching me, maybe that was day 2, but not now. that would screw us over On April 29 2012 09:26 Bill Murray wrote: Nah, you can afford to wait another day, now BM was scum. Both posts are basically just "na, you shouldn't be lynching me *today*. Nova is still scum and we should be lynching him today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- l10f: I encapsulate my thoughts pretty succinctly on him here: On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote: At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. However, digging through his (lacklustre) filter, I found something else I want to bring people's attention to. Firstly, I'm just gonna spoiler his two posts that constitute his 'case' against Eiii. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote: OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 08:10 l10f wrote: His post just seems so scummy. he just points out some people looking like scum because they jumped on "bandwagons", then pretty much says yeah these people all look scummy, blah blah BUT I VOTE LAYABOUT. Then he proceeds to use information that layabout already made clear to attack layabout, when if he had actually read layabout's posts it would be clear that nothing happened so far condemns him nowhere near how he's posting right now. But what's this? On May 09 2012 15:55 l10f wrote: Also I forgot to mention, before night 2 actions I was originally going to say marv + paqman are scum team together but with Kenpachi flipping scum I'm just not sure about paqman anymore. They've agreed with each other most of the way so I thought they looked suspicious together. Now I'm just down to marv. What does everyone else think about this possibility? Marv and Paqman now, except not Paqman, just marv. Where the hell has Eiii gone in this reckoning? The post clearly states before Kenpachi flipped scum, me and paqman were his choice of scumteam, but with the flip were no longer. Eiii just completely disappeared from this read and it was just me. He then revives Eiii as his fucking number 1 scumread somehow. On May 10 2012 05:25 l10f wrote: Because you looked like an obvious scum then. You and marv #1 scum team? On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote: Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. Basically it seems to have gone from Eiii to marv, to marv and Paqman, back to marv, back to Eiii. With pretty much no explanation in the middle. No scumhunting. No cases. Pushing and being suspicious of various people in various orders with no consistencies. Also re-read my quoted post on him above where I lay out the contradiction in his list and how he views the scum and mislynches. This guy is scummy as hell. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To papapanda: I think you're reading Sinensis wrong here. He's basically saying "Nova is scummyscumscumscum, gonna vote for scum until he's lynched'. This does not seem unreasonable to me, please rethink. To BlazingHand: the chances of papapanda being a dumb townie and just saying really stupid things is too high when compared to the lies, inconsistencies, and failure of other players. I do not think papapanda makes a good lynch today. | ||
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On May 13 2012 14:00 papapanda wrote: It just seem to be as a scummy excuse to start the ball rolling for the lynch another towny. (You don't see this marvellosity?) I'm not sure what is so bad about someone looking into a dead townie's suspicions. And while Sinensis' look at l10f was brief, looking at the use of language isn't a bad way to analyse someone's posts. Question back to you, papapanda: did you actually read what I wrote on l10f last page? And Mementoss' case? And do you agree or not, and why for both cases? Sinensis: I don't know how you go from On May 12 2012 12:13 Sinensis wrote: I am sick of seeing scummy, zero effort posts like this from N_T. His posting has been a huge issue in the thread ever since day 1. I am putting l10f and papapanda on the back burner until N_T is dead. -I am going to vote N_T until he is dead- (I WILL BOLD IT SINCE NO ONE LISTENS TO ME NORMALLY) ##vote: Nove_Terra If you flip town I don't know what I believe anymore. On May 12 2012 12:14 Sinensis wrote: EBWOP: The only way I am not voting for N_T is if there is a jester in this game I don't know about. to On May 13 2012 12:05 Sinensis wrote: I'm probably voting Papapanda tomorrow. I already have a case posted on him. That plus his most recent post where he wants to lynch for information is plenty enough for a conviction in my mind. What's up with this? | ||
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On May 14 2012 00:23 grush57 wrote: Get on the l10f train On May 14 2012 00:24 grush57 wrote: ##vote: Nova_Terra Am I missing something here?! | ||
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On May 14 2012 04:27 Nova_Terra wrote: Marv theres not a chance in hell i would push for a papa lynch today because its obviously not happening i find it interesting that you should say that i should have ? You didn't even try, you didn't even mention him. And you were quite happy to be the only person voting for him yesterday... | ||
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On May 14 2012 07:22 papapanda wrote: His reason for calling you out is from various times when you defended people who flipped scum, and I am not sure what to make on that. As you seem to be infected by his mindset on this, I'd like to clear it up. What have I said about Katina/Kenpachi/Nisani? 1) Katina has an odd posting style 2) ??? 3) ??? ...... | ||
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Mementoss' case spoilered below. The tl;dr is - no scumhunting, dumb statements, bad list, no scumhunting (for emphasis) + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 22:27 Mementoss wrote: I10f has't even talked about half the people on his list in the whole game. The way that list was contstructed is pretty much a secret other than Eiii being top with grush and Marv. But there is barely any cases about grush and Marv from I10f's filter of 1 page. Since how did froggy become super townie all of a sudden. What the hell has he even done? Please read his filter BH. There is so many ridiculous statements. I'll point out a few. I know this isn't much. But for a "townie" being completely free and apparently reading the thread. His filter is 1 pages and lackluster. There is no way for him to know this. He is distancing himself from the townie lynch here. Never explains why he doesn't find N_T or blubb scummy. I think he has been distancing himself from townie lynches all game actually. No vote day 1. Eiii Day 2. Grush day 3. Doesn't ever explain why N_T is not scum. And this tone just seems like he pulled out a random name. Then writes a 2 line reason why. Hes been so easy to push that he has been second in line for lynch every day. But never dies. So easy eh? I dont post cases cuz im bad. (using the newb card) I read cases and pick the case that is on a townie. If that is to obvious I just vote for someone random and be the only person voting him. Again WHY do you not think nova is scum. Gut feeling is for scum. It's used when you have no fucking explanation for your actions and are to scared to say scummy shit and get caught. This is a bit late from early game to be saying "Im town" for no reason. Hes not even suspected here. But I think its the third time in the thread where he throws in a "Im town" for good measures. Or a face to make people like him -_______________________- Also the second part is so so so scummy. I haven't done anything to make anyone think im scum. What. So your purposely not doing anything and being safe so you don't look scummy? At least you have done that? You haven't done anything. And again how do you know your right, that scum is in Eiii/marv/grush good thing you gave three options, for an out when one of them flips town. I already explained why the list is scummy. Also BH made some good points on why the list is awful. If I10f is scum, he strategically placed people that are most likely to die tonight (mementoss, BH) and strategically placed his scum buddy around 4-7 after a couple mislynches so town would lose in the MLYL. N_T I10f scum team. A post I made on him spoilered below. tl;dr - bad list, blatant contradiction in list and scum leading mislynches, pointing out he's not a crazy like grush. + Show Spoiler + On May 12 2012 05:43 marvellosity wrote: At the moment his case, though, is superceded by l10f's. What distinguishes l10f and grush is that l10f actually seems pretty capable of logical thought - his posts are arrogant and dismissive, as opposed to grush's headless chicken/ostrich approach. Mementoss, your whole case on him is pretty sound. The list is just all kinds of bad, pushed at us like it's '100% objective' and not his opinion. The fact that he's basically claiming the list is truth when he never makes any attempt to back anything up is really scummy. I also go back to the contradiction I pointed out in my last post. He has Eiii and me as #1 and #2 for lynching, but also explains 'scum have led the mislynches we've had so far'. This statement and his list can't both be accurate, so he's been caught in his own lie. The strange case of Eiii being main scumread, not at all scumread, and main scumread again (and ofc no real case made) spoilered below: + Show Spoiler + On May 13 2012 11:03 marvellosity wrote: However, digging through his (lacklustre) filter, I found something else I want to bring people's attention to. Firstly, I'm just gonna spoiler his two posts that constitute his 'case' against Eiii. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 05:30 l10f wrote: OMG THESE BANDWAGONERS SUCK --> joins layabout bandwagon wat I like my chances better on you than layabout! And if you're green, darn, sorry! ##vote: Eiii + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 08:10 l10f wrote: His post just seems so scummy. he just points out some people looking like scum because they jumped on "bandwagons", then pretty much says yeah these people all look scummy, blah blah BUT I VOTE LAYABOUT. Then he proceeds to use information that layabout already made clear to attack layabout, when if he had actually read layabout's posts it would be clear that nothing happened so far condemns him nowhere near how he's posting right now. But what's this? Marv and Paqman now, except not Paqman, just marv. Where the hell has Eiii gone in this reckoning? The post clearly states before Kenpachi flipped scum, me and paqman were his choice of scumteam, but with the flip were no longer. Eiii just completely disappeared from this read and it was just me. He then revives Eiii as his fucking number 1 scumread somehow. Basically it seems to have gone from Eiii to marv, to marv and Paqman, back to marv, back to Eiii. With pretty much no explanation in the middle. No scumhunting. No cases. Pushing and being suspicious of various people in various orders with no consistencies. Also re-read my quoted post on him above where I lay out the contradiction in his list and how he views the scum and mislynches. This guy is scummy as hell. Lastly I would like to add his continual attempts to paint himself as totally objective, correct, the one who should be listened to without question. On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote: You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum. For some reason, totally confident in his own actions, painting himself as town. Except of course town scumhunts. On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote: Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town. 1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? Bold is mine. l10f is trying to paint him as Mr Objective. But with no basis to do so other than he says so. On May 14 2012 09:21 l10f wrote: Also, just putting it out there. People I've accused: layabout, Eiii, grush, marvellosity People I've defended: layabout, blubbdavid, Nova_Terra People marv accused: BM, l10f, layabout, Nova_Terra, johnnywup, grush People marv defended: Sinensis, blubbdavid, Katina, Kenpachi I think everyone feels safer going with my intuition over his ^___^ Putting aside the remarkable bias in this list (I will address it in full later, if needs be), it's the bold I'm drawing attention to. Again, this 'clearly you should be listening to me' kind of statement. These quotes are all 'you should be listening to me guys. Clearly and obviously. I am the one to listen to.' The problem is there's never anything to back it up. He talks about 'intuition' - everyone of course uses intuition to scumhunt. In my case, I will use intuition to help find someone I think is scum, and then I will go and examine that player, and I will present a case backed up with evidence. That way, if people agree with me they can vote with me, if not they will not - easy. l10f on the other hand just goes "trust me guyz, coz I'm right, coz I say so!" ... Summary on l10f: doesn't scumhunt, bad list with inherent lie explaining it, an insiduous manner of trying to paint himself as someone to be listened to, and doesn't scumhunt. To Paqman, BlazingHand, and anyone else reading - I want l10f lynched tomorrow. Please explain to me if you don't agree with what I've put forth, and if you have a different case, please explain to me why it's stronger than this. | ||
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On May 14 2012 11:45 l10f wrote: Taking out all the shit, my point is that we should lynch Eiii next day. You're with me on that at least, right? Two things - firstly, he obviously doesn't read my posts at all. What makes him think I favour Eiii over himself? The second thing is the continuation of my point above. "You're with me on that at least, right?" - again, this insidious 'you should be agreeing with me' style. | ||
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On May 15 2012 08:04 PaqMan wrote: If no one else thinks Sinensis is scummy then I have no problem supporting an I10f lynch. Day has just started so I want to see everyone else's opinions. After reading my case, do you think Sinensis is scummier? If so, what is it that tips the balance for you? | ||
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On May 15 2012 09:44 PaqMan wrote: Now Marvel I'd like it if you read my two posts on Sinensis + Show Spoiler [seen hurr] + and tell me your thoughts on him. What is your read on him? What do you agree and disagree with in my points against him? + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. You miss out in your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important disclaimer imo. To the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, I agree. But necessarily alignment indicative? It could be a stupid town play or a stupid scum play. What's the scum motivation for openly in a thread going "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. I agree that he could be more definitive in them. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would invite you to compare motivations with Sinensis to l10f. For example, l10f pushing his list with nothing to back it up, on the basis of it being "100% objective". How is this not worse than Sinensis not being completely definitive in his cases? Or where I point out the massive contradiction in l10f's scum list and the fact he said that scum are controlling the mislynches (bear in mind this was pre-Nova flip). l10f's response to this was that I was "bending his words". Except I wasn't, it was a simple fact of a) his list and b) his assertion that scum led mislynches did not match-up in any way. Trying to make out I was twisting his words to make him look bad, when, demonstrably, I did nothing of the sort. Also in general conjunction with the list, and as pointed out in my previous post on him, the fact that l10f is trying to paint himself as someone that should be listened to, a trick Sinensis isn't trying to pull off. Trying to discredit me with another bad 'intuition' list - but of course providing nothing concrete why we should be listening to his intuition. Sinensis at least honestly tried to defend himself against you (even if you disagree with him), l10f doesn't even bother. Basically I see ulterior/insidious motives from l10f that I don't get from Sinensis. | ||
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On May 15 2012 18:13 froggynoddy wrote: I still don't understand how Grush is still alive and unfortunately I still think he's on my strongest scum reads, in this town he has played exactly how to play scum... i.e. don't contribute lest someone attacks you and let town disintegrate (as it has). As I have been the only one (since Laya's death) to be onto him, me alone is not a threat and therefore no need to contribute (if scum), if town there is always a need to contribute. Yeah, I mentioned this before, and the mind boggles. Even since it was pointed out to grush, he has done nothing. grush has the same apparent sins as other lurkers (lack of scumhunting), but this fact elevates him to my #2 read. | ||
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On May 16 2012 02:01 froggynoddy wrote: Hmmm... I want to see what Paqman says re l10f being scummier than sinensis. Also I'd rather people let the suspect defend himself unless we are closer to lynch time, in which case if you think a mislynch is going to happen by all means argue against a case. I'd just want Sinensis to repond to the pressure himself (thus hopefully giving us more information). Same goes for everyone who has a case on them. That being said I am unconvinced regarding l10F. I think we are making too much of a mountain over a molehill regarding l10F's 'list'. As Marv pointed out regarding Sinensis, it seems dumb, be it as townie or scum. The fact he made the list is only a fraction of the whole case... | ||
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On May 16 2012 05:25 papapanda wrote: Marvellosity: + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote: + Show Spoiler [p1] + On May 07 2012 05:35 Sinensis wrote: People were quick to agree that layabout was scum, but they are even quicker to agree that Nova_Terra is scum... probably because Nova_Terra is an easy target with his "I don't have time to make posts that aren't scummy" attitude. I am still probably going to vote layabout today but at the rate things are going, I wouldn't mind hitting Nova_Terra if consolidation needs to happen. Papapanda is a lesser priority right now, but people should still have eyes on him. Umm, anyone notice the contradiction here? "People are even quicker to agree NT is scum because he's an easy target" "I wouldn't mind lynching NT" That just makes Sinensis look so scummy right there. He then gives us this: On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra Uhhh, WTF?!?!?! Someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who is bothered by this. Easy way to avoid active scumhunting. Contradictory statements. Lazy. I miss out am your quotemarks 'if consolidation needs to happen'. A pretty important doctor imo. Who the flipping a coin thing. Pretty stupid, should agree. I necessarily save indicative? It could be a stupid tonight play or a stupid scum play. Give the me motivation for openly in three thread options "gonna flip a coin derp"? Regarding his cases. Paqman agree that he could be more knows in too. His narrating style doesn't push anything, but you can at least see what he's saying by the narrative - 'this is a contradiction / this doesn't make sense" even if he doesn't explicitly say so. To the third part of your case, I agree he's been wishy-washy recently. In your 2nd link, you reiterate in bold the bit about the long posts with no content. Again, I feel like you can see where he's coming from even though he isn't explicit enough for your taste. My overall read on Sinensis isn't that far from null. This is the top half of your post on Sinensis. Beside l10f, who is your next scummiest read? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If no one makes any action, by the looks of it, we are going to lose. I believe we are 1 lynch away from LYLO. IMO scum will try hard to focus down one or two guys for lynch. To counter this, I encourage everyone to read over everyone's filter. Opposite of what l10f is saying, I do not agree with focusing on two people. papapanda: it pains me slightly to have to quote something on the same page as your post, but here goes: On May 15 2012 23:37 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, I mentioned this before, and the mind boggles. Even since it was pointed out to grush, he has done nothing. grush has the same apparent sins as other lurkers (lack of scumhunting), but this fact elevates him to my #2 read. For the sake of completeness - grush has failed to scumhunt. As froggy mentioned in the post spoilered above, and also me elsewhere in my filter, grush admitted he only posted when there was a case against him. Further to this, even though this has been pointed out to him, he still outright refuses to contribute in any way. A question for you papapanda: what has grush done that is any way pro-town in, say, the last 3 day/night cycles? To the 2nd half of your post, about reads and such. For once I defend what l10f is saying here, and I don't think what you're saying and what he is saying are mutually exclusive. Your point is: 1) we should be vigilant in reading everyone's filters and make sure we scumhunt thoroughly and don't let anyone off. Anyone should agree with this. His is: 2) at the deadline, if there are 4 or so people up for lynch, scum can easily control who gets lynched because the votes will be spread so thin, so as deadline approaches we should consolidate. I also think there's not much to argue with here. 1) your point and 2) his point live together quite ok. | ||
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Is it still him, or do you have other reads? | ||
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Fair warning to all - I am going out for anniversary dinner this evening, so there's a decent chance I'll miss voting deadline. ##Vote l10f | ||
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On May 17 2012 07:25 PaqMan wrote: And no marv, i did not fail to note the "difference in motivation between I10f and Sinensis". Hey, don't get sarcastic with me because I got it wrong on a scummy-as-fuck townie l10f. My motivation question was totally valid. Gonna have to have a complete overhaul of filters tomorrow. I still have one or two town-reads but that's not enough at this point. And my dinner was lovely thank you everyone | ||
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I'll look it into it more tomorrow (I don't think I noticed the ninja vote). Had a bit much to drink to try to think about it tonight. Not sure why I'm posting on TL mafia tbh | ||
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On May 17 2012 12:43 Sinensis wrote: If I get lynched before this guy... shame on everyone. I think I agree with you here. grush is totally inexcusable | ||
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On May 16 2012 12:19 Sinensis wrote: Papapanda I have a post on this exact same page that says who I'm thinking about. I am thinking about l10f, you, and grush. Grush only because he's still alive and was the first to claim blue... but that's really all I've got left. My two big picks for scum this game both flipped town and now everyone, grush aside, is starting to look the same to me. There's no way mafia would have hit some of the people that got hit before grush if he was town. l10f and papapanda are talking too much right now to justify voting them when grush is still around. I'm going to put my vote on grush. I'm still waiting for PaqMan to ask me questions if he has them, if you want to just vote for me though that's fine too. Your loss. On May 16 2012 12:20 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: grush57 As pointed out by... you? if grush is town, why would scum be killing him. The reasoning makes no sense. | ||
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On May 16 2012 05:25 Sinensis wrote: I could go for either Papapanda or l10f just because I have a feeling. Though now that I think about it grush has been alive for an awfully long time considering he claimed blue so early, also probably the weakest filter left. Be back after work in 6 hours. Picked up on this while I was going over some things too. As far as I understand, he didn't claim a power role, he claimed blue, as in BLU townie (remember what was made of blubb's terminology slip early game). | ||
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to papapanda: apart from you and those you asked, I do not know | ||
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From my perspective we are lynching into grush, sinensis, and froggynoddy. As Sinensis wanted direct questions: Paqman has in his case(s) against you pointed out where you said that it was easy to bandwagon on to Nova, but you were also willing to vote for him. Why did you say he was easy to bandwagon on to and then say you were happy to bandwagon on to him? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:59 papapanda wrote: Grush is not the ideal target anymore. Him not being an asset was THE reason he was put up for lynch. He was an easy target, so the mafia would most likely keep him alive, which means he is most likely town. Therefore in LYLO, we should not lynch grush. I don't understand any of this logic. Two options, grush is town or grush is scum 1) grush is scum. obviously scum are not going to night-kill scum. grush lives 2) grush is townie. scum are going to keep grush alive as he has been playing so anti-town. grush lives In either scenario grush lives, him being alive is not alignment indicative. | ||
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On May 18 2012 08:03 papapanda wrote: Marvellosity, are you saying you want to lynch grush too? Yeah, your post makes sense, but I think what I was ultimately trying to say he is town(a bad one, though) for me. Haven't you been pushing grush for a lot of the game? Why the change of heart? grush at the moment is my strongest read. Going to have to go over the filters of the guys I mentioned earlier because it's too important to be lazy about. That's tomorrow's job. | ||
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On May 18 2012 13:02 PaqMan wrote: Hi, my name is PaqMan, and I am a tracker. + Show Spoiler [breadcrumb] + On May 05 2012 12:43 PaqMan wrote: Then what was your reason for voting her? Becuase all you said was + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:33 slOosh wrote: Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me. Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments. Easy explanation. You knew your scummates were inactive because they werent talking in your QT, so you bussed them. I don't see you coincidentally voting for the two scum that get modkilled. And now you're using that for town credit. Voting with BH because BH seemed town? Couldnt be much lazier. In BHs last game (LII) he tunneled marv his entire game. Guess what marv flipped (town). You say its bull now, but did you do anything to stop it? Nada! you let it run its full course without any objections whatsoever. I dont like theuls. Sloosh looks like scum. now excuse my, im not completely sober. TGIF ftw! I tried to spell out TRACKER but it's a hell lot harder than it looks. I forgot to put in the R also. theuls is sleuth spelled backwards, except I managed to spell it wrong. But it means detective, investigator, tracker. My results for tracking since N1 are as follows: + Show Spoiler [track results] + N1: I tracked SlOosh, no actions made. N2: I tracked layabout, no actions made. N3: I tracked Eiii, no actions made. N4: I tracked Sinensis, Roleblocked! N5: I tracked Sinensis, no actions made. The reason I didn't claim the day before is because only Vanilla Townies are notified if they are role blocked, so I didn't want to give myself away. The last two scum is Roleblocker and Godfather. This is significant information because it means that the last two scum are always visiting other people. The roleblocker is visiting someone to RB them, and the GF is visiting someone to send in the kill. They're always moving. This basically clears Sinensis as VT. The remaining people are: grush57, marvellosity, papapanda, and froggynoddy. Two of them are scum. I would be completely okay with lynching marv. In fact, last night I was pretty confident that either me or him would be killed. I was not expecting Eiii to die. I think the only reason they wouldn't kill him is because he might push a mislynch. I will go back and read into them but they need to be our main focus. Nice case. Oh wait :/ Really? You're gonna let scum wifom you with the night-kill. If you're telling the truth then the scum are definitely grush and froggynoddy. | ||
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On May 18 2012 19:27 marvellosity wrote: Nice case. Oh wait :/ Really? You're gonna let scum wifom you with the night-kill. If you're telling the truth then the scum are definitely grush and froggynoddy. Further to this, as a logical problem, how do you know that the roleblocker is always roleblocking? | ||
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On May 18 2012 13:02 PaqMan wrote: In fact, last night I was pretty confident that either me or him would be killed. I was not expecting Eiii to die. I think the only reason they wouldn't kill him is because he might push a mislynch. If you read the thread you would find a very good reason why scum did not kill into me and you. | ||
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On May 19 2012 00:35 papapanda wrote: Hi, my name is papapanda. I am medic. Here's my breadcrumb: I am not sure how to explain it, but I had a feeling the either Marvel or Paqman is scum. So I changed the words in their own quote hoping they will catch on to my message. My reasoning for doing this I believe that Paqman/Marvel might be the next target, and forming a 3 way group might make whoever was the scum less likely to hit the other. And ofcourse, if I died, the other one would have been suspicious of the remaining one. Also, I requested 3 names from each of them. I wanted to use this information to find out which of them is scum. If Marvel and Paqman had said to prioritized A, B, and C, I would pick D to save because they now know who I am going to save. And if I indeed saved D, I would've used this information against them. Unfortunately, I didn't receive names in reply (or I missed itXD). I guess people don't really read quoted text. So none of my plan worked, but at least I hope this can clear my name from the list and narrow our lynch targets. Marv: When I said I would wait on last nights kill results before I say my vote, I thought it might have been you or Paqman. I am pretty certain one of you is scum. When neither of you died, it confused me but I think now that the reason is to keep the cover. However, even after Paqman revealed, he is not cleared yet for me. Right now I am leaning towards lynching you, if you have any information, please bring it out now. Yes, I do have further information to bring to light. Firstly, I recognised I saw your breadcrumb here: On May 16 2012 06:53 marvellosity wrote: EBWOP: papapanda, who is your strongest scum-read at the moment then? I looked through your filter after analysing your last post again, and it seems you have been suspicious of grush before. Is it still him, or do you have other reads? "after analysing your last post again" - I only saw the breadcrumb after I had posted my initial response. Further to this, I answered your question here: On May 18 2012 04:22 marvellosity wrote: Thread is dead to papapanda: apart from you and those you asked, I do not know those you asked = me/paqman (i am townie, have town-read on paqman) and you (for obvious reasons). Yet further to this, from looking at Paqman's posts following your breadcrumb it is clear that he did not recognise your breadcrumb or answer you in any way. Armed with this knowledge, answer me this papapanda: if I were scum, why didn't I just kill you? | ||
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On May 19 2012 02:55 papapanda wrote: EDWOP: nevermind I just reread youre post above, further confirming your status. Who do you think we should lynch today? We should be lynching grush followed by froggynoddy. I am as close to 100% certain on grush as I can reasonably be and about 90% on froggy, based on the process of elimination. I'm on board with your claim because it was well hidden, while Paqman's claim is very likely to be true. froggy is only not scum if Paqman's claim turns out to be false, while your claim + Paqman's claim + my read on grush means he should be a certainty. Apart from claims in general, a reminder of why I think grush is scum anyway: On May 11 2012 04:31 marvellosity wrote: I dislike everything I've bolded. You admit you don't bother defending yourself, you admit you only do one-liners. Is layabout duty-bound to do a case on the other main lynch candidate? And worst of all, you're only posting more because someone called you out! Did you not have the urge to do anything to contribute to town before that then? Or just happy doing fuck-all until someone calls you out for it? grush not scumhunting. grush not contributing unless a case is made. Such a clincher for me. Paqman made a case on Sinensis before his claim and subsequent belief that Sinensis is townie. Easy way out for grush: On May 17 2012 10:03 grush57 wrote: GEEET SENESISSS That's all we get. Unfortunately for grush, Paqman then comes out with his claim. On May 19 2012 03:55 grush57 wrote: Guys, its froggynoddy. ##vote: Froggynoddy Shit knows what this is. Just vote-switching for the hell of it now, he's almost mocking us. If froggynoddy is scum, he's been long-term bussing grush to try to get credit. Naturally grush has managed to avoid the lynch. Now because we've managed to nail them grush is desperately bussing froggy. What was the likeliest way grush would avoid the lynch today? By not killing into me/Paqman leading town into wifom-ing themselves into thinking that the scum is elsewhere. The easiest way for grush to get lynched would have been to kill into us two and it's predetermined. Now we have to discuss it instead. grush is scum and we must lynch him today. | ||
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On May 19 2012 05:36 Sinensis wrote: If you guys weren't so quick to speak up about things that don't concern you I might have gotten grush to vote Paq. ##Vote: grush57 Is anyone going to yell at me if I just vote for him and leave it at that? I don't really have much to analyze. ? I'm confused about the first sentence. ##Vote grush57 | ||
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On May 19 2012 09:59 PaqMan wrote: you might as well because i did not catch it. Why do you choose grush over froggynoddy? The explanation I was talking about at the time (not shooting into me/you) was papapanda's claim. If scum caught wind of it then shooting into me/you was not a high percentage play. I explained why grush over froggynoddy in my last post. froggy should be scum by roleclaim evidence and elimination, grush the same except I also have a strong read on him as well. At lylo I am only going to lynch the target with the absolute highest chance of flipping scum (i.e. grush is scum because he is scum and SUPPORTED by the claims, froggy is scum BECAUSE of the claims). | ||
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On May 19 2012 21:52 grush57 wrote: Marv, why'd u have to be scum? It's me now?! | ||
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papapanda wasn't medic, what a ballsy move | ||
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Edit: massive thanks to kurumi, and barandar, for hosting. tough gig for you guys | ||
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froggy and I won from an 11-2 situation with one KP, i'm proud of us Edit: we should have killed papapanda instead of Eiii probably, I thought this 15 minutes before deadline but froggy wasn't around to approve the switch and i felt nervous making it on my own | ||
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On May 20 2012 06:16 Mementoss wrote: Yeah for sure gg on your part wp. I shouldn't have got off you as easily as I did day 2. Maybe. Mostly it was town inactivity though. I just tried to play as I would as town all game and I was afforded that luxury because of town inactivity. As you know my day 1s are dodgy anyway | ||
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On May 20 2012 07:05 grush57 wrote: Sigh, all three of our mafia kills were modkills. I don't even want to think what would happen if no modkills happened. you played terribly, look at yourself. | ||
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On May 20 2012 07:10 Blazinghand wrote: Much respect to Frog and Marv for sticking with it after the 3 modkills btw. It must have been very demoralizing, but you guys pulled through. the worst of it was the loss of the KP :/ | ||
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On May 20 2012 07:36 papapanda wrote: UGH and grush got the mafias right again... maybe people should listen to him next game? lolXD only be a process of elimination. paqman townie with check confirming sinensis townie, papapanda townie because he believed your claim, that only leaves me and froggynoddy ken - brofists ^^ | ||
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On May 20 2012 09:21 l10f wrote: DIE MARV <3 | ||
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On May 20 2012 16:02 Nova_Terra wrote: apparently I should really pay attention to meta changes from a game that i watched to the current one instead of just listening to other people being fine with meta dammit marv Which game are you referring to, and which changes? I'm genuinely interested | ||
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I couldn't believe I had the entire town voting with me on the final day tbh | ||
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On May 20 2012 23:58 DoYouHas wrote: I know this is bad that it took me this long, but what sold me on Marv being mafia was when Eiii got killed. The mafia's MO for kills up until that point was to go after those in the town who were a threat or had established themselves as town. If that was the mafia's driving motivation and Marv was really to be as trusted as he seemed to be, it makes no sense to hit Eiii over Marv N5. Of course. The N5 kill was where it could all have unravelled. I was too stupid/blinkered to realise papapanda's claim was false, so I was too afraid to hit Paqman. The problem was that town either couldn't see or was not capable of arguing with me on this. I didn't really have to do it but I was just going to discredit their wifom and use my own wifom to cause enough confusion about the night-kill. Pushing a lynch on me was close to impossible with no case made against me and town incapable of thinking together. | ||
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On May 21 2012 01:54 jaj22 wrote: I have a meta read that you play a lot better as town when not under suspicion. You certainly looked townier than most players in this game, but I was somewhat suspicious that you weren't playing as well as I'd expected in the situation. I'd have needed something else to lynch you over Froggy or Grush, and I didn't read the game that thoroughly. Dang. I thought my cases were mainly supersolid :x | ||
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