On May 18 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote:
We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent.
We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent.
how's about no
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On May 18 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote: We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent. how's about no | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:41 Mattchew wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2012 04:37 marvellosity wrote: On May 18 2012 04:36 Mattchew wrote: We have so much kp. If risk doesn't flip janitor, we shoot marv and sent. how's about no oh wait not as much KP as i thought... marv wouldn't you agree that a 2town for 1scum is good for town In the original posts, if the janitor uses his role, will the team members alive numbers be updated or will they become question marks? (referring to + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2012 03:06 GMarshal wrote: 4/4 Mafia Remain 1/1 Serial Killers Remain 15/15 Vanilla Townies Remain Mafia Alignment KP = 1 SK Alignment KP = 1 1 for 1 is much better. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:16 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2012 05:11 Mattchew wrote: On May 18 2012 05:08 Toadesstern wrote: On May 18 2012 05:01 Mattchew wrote: On May 18 2012 04:55 Toadesstern wrote: On May 18 2012 04:52 Toadesstern wrote: Would a vig-role without a bullet left return "has a gun" to bullet-bob if he's a town-vig without a bullet left or would he return "has no gun" ? Also I'd say risk is the liar and if he is he's town. which still means: I'd rather not lynch into any of those 3. Sentinel looks good without a doubt, so no lynching that. Risk and Marv are somewhat weird but with Sentinel's action I'm not 100% sure one of them has to be mafia. It could be 1-1 or 2-0 right now, maybe even 0-2 idk. No lynching them unless we have more information and more analysis about them. what possible town motivation could there be for sent's claim if he is lying. what possible town motivation would there be for risk or marv to hide the fact they picked a role that withholds info from basically only town (other than roles maybe, but knowing the alignments is way more important imo) I don't think sent is lying because he's busted if he does as mafia. We can confirm that really easy within 1 or 2 days. So for me it's more about the question wether or not he would have a reason to lie as mafia and I don't see that happening. For risk and marv it's a bit complicated but there are a bunch of good reasons to lie as a townie in that situation if you ARE the janitor. Janitor is COMPLETLY useless for town so you might as well lie (read: "hey guys I don't have janitor and I am #2 or #3 so I've probably got a REALLY AWESOME BLUE POWER" ) to draw some hits because getting the janitor out of the game is all we wanted to achieve and if one of them is town and already managed to do that they're happy. If they can "protect" another guy who is very likely to be shot early on due to awesome blue role or awesome mafia sKiLlZ that's awesome for town. So yes, I see a lot of reasons for them to lie as town. Could be wrong which brings me to the point: Leave them alive, I want to figure out what's going on in that constellation rather than just randomly lynching into them, having a coinflip on wether or not we hit mafia and on top of that gain 0 (!!!!) information because everyone would be like "duuuh, that's a mess" if one of them flipped town or "nice hit" if one of them flipped mafia. Noone is willing to lynch them because of analysis. People want to lynch them because of bullshit they haven't figured out yet. so lets say risk is janitor... why is he voting sent?... why would a townie lie to allow us to mislynch someone? Do you think it's something that is necessarily scummy? Are you asking if lying in order to mislynch a townie is scummy? | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote: Oh ok I get it why would risk lie to push a lynch onto sent Wasn't that your point already?? | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:59 sandroba wrote: Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that? On May 17 2012 22:00 marvellosity wrote: I chose neither, I felt the fact that I explicitly stated I would do so on more than one occasion would be enough to keep the players above me in line. Also, spell my name right, dear. | ||
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On May 18 2012 10:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Sorry for lateness. I was leaning risk but I wanted to make sure it was him and not marv. Since I'm vanilla and it seems like the possibility more and more as time goes on, risk it is. ##Vote: risk.nuke why does it seem more likely as time goes on? | ||
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On May 18 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote: Actually, risk.nuke is kinda the same as Purgatory if I recall, he claimed VT with no fear like here, but one cycle earlier. Also, I think a scum risk.nuke wouldn't be so bold as to claim VT. Still thinking about him though. when did he claim vanilla vt here? | ||
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On May 18 2012 19:55 sandroba wrote: Okay I read the whole thing over to get the timing of the events and the less retarded explanation I can conjure is (drum roll) Marv is scum! If you look at how it happened and assume marv is mafia it makes *some* sense. Marv knew decon took cpr so he didn't have to confirm the role / waste a scum role on it. He also knew risk wasn't taking janitor and didn't expect people bellow him to try for it. So amongst the confusion of who gets the janitor role, it was the perfect opportunity to take it and get away with it. But then sentinel came in and busted him and it was too late. Marv did not expect sentinel to take it and got GG'ed. Didn't read thread lol! On May 17 2012 05:48 hiro protagonist wrote: [UoN]Sentinel, would you be cool with grabbing Janitor? On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol. Risk please cooperate? Clearly risk was not co-operating. Also, if you're going to talk about me, spell my fucking name right, sandrodummybubbawoobieboobie (referring to another post). On May 18 2012 17:17 Barundar wrote: It bothers me a lot that this is not a discussion spearheaded by themself, you all three have better insight than the rest of us so you should know someone is lying and do something about it wtf. @toad if i had a list check of 3 people with 1 mafia on it I would 100% lynch into it. Standard logic tells me to confirm the vanilla claim first, so a tentative vote on sentinel for now. Risk.nuke came across as town with his in your face attitude earlier, since day post he seems to have taken it overboard though. Now to not skim read a million pages, sigh. ##vote sentinel Yes, the better insight I have is that I'm looking into 1 of 2, not 1 of 3. Put yourselves in my shoes where you know I'm telling the truth. What more insight do I have than you or anyone? | ||
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On May 18 2012 20:32 Palmar wrote: Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it. My role is not so great if it's revealed now compared to later. | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:27 Toadesstern wrote: Whatever. I had for the last 4 games as town in a row a 50-60% mafia hitting average on d1 reads. That's on average when talking about 3, 4 or 5 reads so that involves the lesser reads which means that if I'm town the good reads are usually way better than 60% of hitting mafia, but sure let's go for the 1/3 chance instead. If none of those 3 come in here and explain the situation (aka who is the liar) prior to the lynch we at least have the chance to actually hit mafia because that way one is really bound to be mafia. And since it's too late to talk about this now because everyone's like "LYYYYNCH THAT" even if one of them is town noone will talk about it. I'll be the one yelling "told ya" if he flips town, just so you know :p Going to ignore the issue for now until the flip, not going to talk about it anymore. I tried everything I can and it failed :/ ##vote sent To the bold: again, how the hell would me knowing I'm telling the truth help me work out which of the other 2 is lying?? | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:39 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote: On May 18 2012 20:32 Palmar wrote: Roles are actually very secondary to the intentions people have with them. I consider my pardoner role as a role completely pointless, but as I outlined above, I had a very clear intention with it. My role is not so great if it's revealed now compared to later. Your role is not worth us mislynching today. Whatever I'm talking to stubborn assholes. @Everyone else: you should be voting either risk or marvelausity, because they haven't claimed their picks. Hilarious coming from you | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:46 Palmar wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2012 21:44 marvellosity wrote: Also me claiming helps nothing if I'm not getting mislynched anyway Sent might be getting mislynched and you claiming helps us with that. Explain to me how it helps and I will consider it. | ||
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On May 18 2012 22:00 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2012 21:45 Palmar wrote: On May 18 2012 21:40 risk.nuke wrote: From my point of view either Sentinel is lying or Marv can only be the Janitor. Yes but you aren't dumb enough to not understand why this doesn't apply to everyone. Yeah But I DO Know what I know even if you don't. So it's folly to support your plan just to satisfy your need-to-know egos. This is the worst case scenario: Sentinel is either a vanilla and then I know marv is the janitor. Here is my view on your plan. If there was a 50/50 chance between sentinel and marv then I might claim. But the odds are heavily in favor of sentinel beeing scum so I don't see how the best course of action is to out blues power for that small chance of saving a vanilla. Much as I love everyone thinking I'm not the liar, but why are the odds heavily stacked against Sentinel? what am I missing? why isn't it me? | ||
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On May 18 2012 22:08 Palmar wrote: Fuck this shit, I'll probably pardon sentinel out of spite. enjoy being bad. now who's playing anti-town? | ||
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On May 18 2012 21:46 Palmar wrote: I genuinely hope neither of you are town, because I hate having playing with people who play against their win condition just to be assholes. | ||
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