On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there).
Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff.
It LOOKS LIKE I'm just feigning activity with "fluff". Okay, well, this point is invalid without examples of my fluffy feigned activity. The fact of the matter is that I was scumhunting and trying to get people to comment on others in an attempt to build a baseline for scumhunting later. It's called scumhunting, and it's not fluff.Also I’m almost certain this is a lie:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^
Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread.
Okay, well here's the thing: the fact that it's easy to make as scum does not make it a fake claim. Sorry, but that's just not the case. If you have some kind of reason to believe that it's a fake RB claim now is the time, but you don't give any reasoning other than "Easy to make" and "Look at the language" without saying WHY the language is indicative of me being scum lying about the claim.So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think?
Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths.
Easy Targets? supersoft maybe, Zealos though, do you not think Zealos is scummy? Really? And Kitaman is an easy target? Honestly? Because it seems to me like Kitaman is about the HARDEST target to lynch today outside of "confirmed"* town Toad. This is MZ trying to take my initiating discussion about the lynch and twisting it into something scummy. This whole case is ridden with stuff like this.So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, cool...Toad town...
......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive?
Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him.
The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap.
On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious.
At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch.
Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it).
This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think?
He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita.
So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy.
By saying this, I was implying that my lynch wasn't happening and from the lynches possible I wanted to pick the best one. My lynch IS a good lynch, but based on the responses I got overnight, pushing Kita right out of the gates on D2 seemed hasty, especially considering I couldn't make a cohesive case BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE THREAD. So I was trying to find a lynch that I could call a GOOD lynch from the lynches I perceived as possible, and this IS NOT SCUMMY. This is just what I was doing because that's what I saw as the best move.And now this:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it?
##Vote: Kitaman27
Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-.
Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
GOD DAMNIT
There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher.
##Unvote
Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today.
So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote:I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed.
##Vote: GambitBecause 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town.
Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live.
Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post?
+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shut up Toad you're not worth a mafia bullet. You cause so much disruption regardless of alignment it's no wonder everyone calls you hypnotoad.
We kill gambit man today. He ninja voted ET yesterday and he's said nothing. Eat shit and die, scum.
##vote Gambitx32
Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch?
Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information.
I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf?
Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk.
Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this.
Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer?
Not much to add there.
You can continue to ignore the fact that maybe my stance on lurkers changed after I saw what a problem they were CONTINUING TO BE, EVEN AFTER REPLACEMENTS. I mean, fuck MZ, you're just not giving me ANY breaks, are you? You're not even TRYING to see a townie motivation at all, you've just made up your mind that I'm scum and are giving the story as though I were scum. GUESS WHAT I'M TOWN SURPRISE!!!VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro.
But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t.
For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election.
Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again.
Here's the lie that's being forced on town right now: that me not voting for Toad was scummy. None of you voted for Toad, are any of you scummy? No, because it was all brought on by the EVIL MUDSLINGING VE right? Except here's my thoughtprocess on the thing: if it's impossible for scum to claim Mason (because a scumbuddy would have to out themselves) then....why don't more scum do it? Seriously, if the generally accepted axiom is "scum don't do that" then.............why wouldn't scum do that? I get that having a confirmed town in office would be cool and everything, but seriously guys, me having a preference about who to elect IS NOT SCUMMY! NO AMOUNT OF MZ SCREAMING ABOUT IT MAKES IT SOThis next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then.
Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("
looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("
provided he can prove it using his mason powers").
What do you think?
Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs.
OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote: Gambit
##Vote: Zealos
No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push.
VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say.
Yo dawg chill out:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter?
"lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me.
Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this.
Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah.
Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good.
Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been.
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Hyaach
Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing.
Flailing? K....Holy balls you’re desperate:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have balls Bugs...they're huge.
The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes.
Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that?
Talk about a manufactured issue lol.
Weeee we’re back to kita again:
+ Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Town:
What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh*
Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen.
Pretty please?
Sincerely, VE
PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3
I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity.