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On May 10 2012 08:33 Kenpachi wrote: any idea when this is going to start? So this is themed game too right? He's not stupid....HE'S ADVANCED! | ||
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I retract my submission. | ||
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Tired of this. | ||
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It worked! /in | ||
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On May 26 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote: I'm down to /replace. You owe some dudes some hat-related ingestion before you play any more here sir. X( | ||
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On May 27 2012 11:05 BroodKingEXE wrote: Must have been a lady friend! Awwwww Yeeeaah! + Show Spoiler [lady friend] + Fooled You! high five! | ||
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It's literally the last thing scum will expect. While my methods are questionable, my results are even more so. But one thing is for certain: I'm going to be active. I'm going to make activity take on a whole new meaning...and I'm not just talkin about spam...I'm talkin about CONTENT baby! Here's a diagram of the amount of content I intend to inject into this thread (e) intraveineously: ~"I'm gonna kill that sonofabitch VisceraEyes..." - Lady who has to try and destroy VE's content for scum More content than you know what to do with anyway...but with me as Leader of Earth, you won't have to worry about any of that! A vote for VE is a vote for Town Victory!!! | ||
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I don't even care if we can vote for ourselves. *brofist* Blzing, join me in a concentrated effort in removing emotion from our game. I think the town as a whole wiill benefit regardless of our alignment. I'm not willing to call Toad scum for bravado just yet. I mean, the arguments are intriguing and I eagerly await his response, but I think Toad is scum a LOT when he's town. One thing I know for sure though is that Toad WILL scumslip if he's scum...it's just a matter of time. Experience has taught me well that the guy is GOING to tell us he's scum if he is, in fact, scum. And the best part? He'll do it even though I'm WARNING TOWN RIGHT NOW! Why? Because he thinks I'm full of shit when I tell him about it when we're scum together. So yeah, Toad is on the watchlist but I'm not willing to call him scum just yet. Being sure about lynching scum isn't a scumtell, I myself said in my first (second?) post that I'm confident I'll hit scum D1. *shrug* | ||
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On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote: I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." <3 | ||
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Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day. I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here. ##FoS: Toadesstern If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3". | ||
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On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote: good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that. Whoa whoa...let's back up the truth train here. Now, from what I can tell I'm the only person who has even SAID they're suspicious of Toad or provided any reasoning for being so. Everyone else is either just disagreeing with the statements he's making or expressing disinterest in seeing him as Mayor. No one "forced" Toad to claim, and no one is "just throwing around pressure randomly". I gave reasoning for my suspicion and you come in here to defend Toad without giving him a chance to respond to my meager accusation? Again, no one "forced" Toad to claim - it's my belief that if he's town, he claimed to posture for the Leader position, which he's actually proving by being hard-line against actually being Vice-Leader. The fact that you're trying to push the notion that he was "forced" to claim raises some serious red flags for me about you sir. What gives? | ||
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Okay I'll fully read it before I post anything else. TBH I just got done watching Capt. America in prep for going to see Avengers tonight and most of my opinion is from when I read the thread earlier today. I'm gonna go ahead and reread now before this blows out of proportion. | ||
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This role is not one that I want in possession of any additional power. I do not want Toad to be Leader or Vice-Leader. The chance for manipulation is too great. | ||
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You're running on a platform of independence, right? That means you have to be held accountable for your actions, but here's the problem: if you're in contact with a really good Mafia player like Wiggles or Forumite (<3) who end up being mafia and they convince you to do something like pardon a lynch of a mafia, you can't like - backpedal and say "Well guys, really I was talked into it by XYZ" because the whole point of what you're saying is that you want to be held accountable yourself. So we lynch you and you're what, a Mason? So now what? No, I'd rather just not even take the chance. Next game bro. | ||
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Toad, I'm giving my opinion on the gamestate. | ||
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I still want town to not vote for Toad, based on the risk involved alone. I want a pardoner who we can lynch if he uses the power improperly. It's a tool that should be used if the situation arises and I think denying it from Town is borne of the same paranoia I'm sure to be accused of for thinking Toad will be manipulated. == | ||
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In short, I think I prefer myself as Leader and ET as VL as the attitude he's displaying now is kinda exactly what I'd like to see in a pardoner. Be honest guys, what do you think? | ||
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He was running on the platform of "I'm going to lynch grush" based on the fact that he "ruined my last game". However, from my point of view, a policy lynch on another player based on a different game is tantamount to randomly lynching...which I'm staunchly against. Scum DO reveal themselves D1. But this was an unpopular notion, and he has now backpedaled to "Well obviously I only mean as a policy lynch...if a scummier candidate presents himself obviously I would lynch him. But this isn't what he said. He said "I'm going to lynch grush if elected" Right now Sine is my top suspect, and I think anyone who is elected should consider him for lynch. | ||
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On May 28 2012 14:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: He could have picked anyone who's not dying today, myself, ET, wiggles, forumite, anyone who's been contributing. The whole point here is that he's putting grush up in comparison to people who aren't going to die which really muddies his reasons for killing grush. Whoawhoawhoa pal...I'm still up for Leader and if you step outta line I waste you! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Between you and me, I got sick of dying N1 LMAO I kid I kid | ||
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Once upon a time there was a player in this game named kitaman who much like his other veteran brethren had no interested in running for Leader of Earth. However, unlike his veteran brethren, kitaman had an idea of who he wanted to be mayor before posting. When Kitaman put forth Hyaach's name for election, the room erupted. "Outrage! Why would you put forth a name of such little consequence in the game thus far?!" his brethren cried. "Don't you see? My motivations are simple! I'm attempting to keep the elected role out of the hands of the dreaded Lyncher!" Kitaman replied sardonically. Uneasily, his veteran brethren shuffled their feet and mumbled to themselves. Clearly unsatisfied with this response, one player rose from the ranks behind the veterans... | ||
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My point is, this is the sole purpose of Kita's post endorsing "someone random". By that logic also, it seems Kitaman isn't concerned about electing a TOWNIE into the position, it seems his only inspiration is to "avoid electing the Lyncher". This is suspicious behavior from someone who should know better. On May 28 2012 05:49 kitaman27 wrote: Lets end the discussion right now. Toad is our pardoner. It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor. Again...something I found odd was Kita's insistence that we end discussion on the topic of Toad being elected Vice Leader. First of all, if anything was distracting it was whether the role is useless or not. But that's not the point that Kitaman chose to end on...he wanted the discussion of who is Vice-Leader to be over, and he wanted the conclusion to be that Toad is elected. But he doesn't bring up a new topic of discussion or anything - just leaves it there. "Shut up guys!" This is suspicious behavior from someone who should know better. | ||
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On May 28 2012 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote: No? Shall I tell you a story? Once upon a time there was a player in this game named kitaman who much like his other veteran brethren had no interested in running for Leader of Earth. However, unlike his veteran brethren, kitaman had an idea of who he wanted to be mayor before posting. When Kitaman put forth Hyaach's name for election, the room erupted. "Outrage! Why would you put forth a name of such little consequence in the game thus far?!" his brethren cried. "Don't you see? My motivations are simple! I'm attempting to keep the elected role out of the hands of the dreaded Lyncher!" Kitaman replied sardonically. Uneasily, his veteran brethren shuffled their feet and mumbled to themselves. Clearly unsatisfied with this response, one player rose from the ranks behind the veterans... | ||
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On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote: Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas? VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day. Oh you... I'm trying to find and eliminate scum. Your posting has left me with a distinctly bad taste in my mouth, so I'm trying to put your name out there so that anyone who is elected remembers it come lynch time. As to your question directed at me, let's speculate. In a game this size, I'd expect a fair spread among the lynch votes...I think that MZ and I would totally rather lynch you D1 than Kita, so at least us (I'm assuming he thinks you're a decent candidate - your mileage may vary) and I'd say probably grush...3? Maybe 4 depending on who you'd have pissed off without the elections to talk about? Cool, so 4. This has been refreshing and everything, but let me ask you a question in return. What do you think about Kitaman's posting so far? | ||
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Okay, so I like Kita/Sinensis for scum so far...which is actually kinda disturbing, what do you think about 2 scum pretty much just claiming in thread like that? Seems too easy...but anyway there are lurkers to consider. What are the chances that ANY scum are among those who haven't posted yet? | ||
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I'm not interested in electing a pardoner who could be convinced in PMs by some unsavory influence to affect a lynch I had a hand in voting for. Period. His mason claim made it really simple for me. Say Nope To Dope. And Toad. | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:48 kitaman27 wrote: Either A) Toad is a mafia who fake claimed mason to get elected and procede to get lynched day two. B) Toad is not mafia and a compuslive liar who can't help himself. Which is the scenario that you're backing VE? Your reasoning is completely inadquate. We've been given the opportunity to elect a non-scum into office and you have openly oppossed the idea. Between the two of us, it must be tough to say that I'm the scummiest with a straight face. How about C) Toad has claimed mason-who-talks-to-non-mod-confirmed-town-outside-the-thread and I don't want mason-who-talks-to-non-mod-confirmed-town-outside-the-thread in office. I want a townie in office, but not Toad...Toad is one of many many townies in the game Kita. | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:25 kitaman27 wrote: But how many players can we be so certain isn't scum? You act as if toad is a completely incompetant who will certainly be tricked into going against his word to pardon a scum player. A town player who is given the opportunity to elect a player who isn't scum jumps on it. They don't discredit their ability and risk electing a mafia pardoner. lol Hyaach was mentioned in passing hours into the game. Is that really what you guys are going to jump on? :p He really does need to post though -_- Spamming up the thread with why I'm so great and how I'm going to be active and open doesn't really do much for the game. (I am great by the way) Wiggles has made some valid points, but nothing that tells me about his alignment. The length of his posts tells me that he is putting effort into appearing town (I should probably work on that too), but again that doesn't say much about his alignment. When asked about lynch candidates, he only references toad, who clearly isn't going to be lynched tomorrow, so I don't have much to say about him until he comes up with a real target. Can I switch my random vote to Meapak? Dang it VE, you cost me an hour of sleep. You're free to go anytime my guy. I just have a couple of quick comments. First, the bolded statement. Again, you're subtly brushing against the fact that you think I'm scum. Just come out and say it, you don't have to be scared Kita. I'm not going to go apeshit and cry OMGUS, you just better have a good explanation for why me having a preference as to who gets what elected position makes me automatically scum when we get votes specifically to indicate our preference on the matter as a mechanic in the very game. Secondly, I'm not even jumping on you about who you put forth as a candidate. BH seemed shocked and MZ found it odd, but I knew where you were going with it. My question is why in the hell are you so fixated with protecting town from the Lyncher? Again, this was in my original case against you and you're failing to recognize it as a functional aspect of my argument. It's a possible role in the game sure, but do you know the full aspects of the role? Is it the Lyncher's target definitely a townie? And here's some food for thought: Toadesstern has very explicitly stated that he will NOT be using the pardoner power if elected. You know who that kinda sounds like? A lyncher. I mean yeah he claimed Mason and everything, but if you're so fixated on protecting us from the lyncher you'd risk putting someone like Toad who has very explicitly stated that he will "never use the power ever"? Thirdly, sleep well scummy prince. | ||
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Why do you care? Why do you give a shit if the Lyncher wins or loses? What is the point of all of this? | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I am forcing myself to remain cautious after my abysmal reads from last game but it's hard given the current play we're seeing. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On May 28 2012 17:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hmmm. Personally if I was pardoner and I felt VERY strongly that the person who was getting lynched was town I would not hesitate to pardon them simply because I still trust my judgement enough to make that call. Similarly, I wouldn't have a problem if someone pardoned someone who I thought was town. That being said, it is just a lot simpler if the pardoner is never used in. Even if a townie dies, information will be gleaned from the flip and we won't waste a cycle debating the action of the pardoner. Just as a general announcement, I'm gonna stop posting in this thread because idk if I can think logically right now. Once I finish watching PL I need to allnighter a paper so see ya'll tomorrow. Once again we find ourselves in complete agreement. Now, by my estimation, no...it's not ALWAYS in town's best interest to NEVER use the pardoner power. To be honest though, I don't know yet if it's in THIS town's best interest because I don't know who the pardoner is going to be...and if it's someone I trust with that power, I certainly wouldn't waste time "debating the action of the pardoner" because like you, I trust my own judgement about who to trust with that kind of power. However, like you (I assume), I wouldn't hesitate to call someone I trust with that power out for betraying that trust by using the power for obviously shitty reasoning. Here's the part that really gets me about Kita's whole Lyncher fixation: it's entirely based on one huge contradiction. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Allow me to illustrate. Kita's reasoning for his Lyncher fixation, I believe, is to protect that one "townie target" from the lynch to extend the game exactly 1 cycle. Don't even worry about the fact that the Lyncher has no direct control over the lynch, because that's not the point. The point is to protect that one "townie target" from the lynch to extend the game exactly 1 cycle Kita's insisting that Toad be voted for Vice Leader of Earth on the platform of "soon I'll be 'confirmed' * Mason and I'll never ever use the power". By his estimation and repeated (ad nauseum?) insistence, it's in town's best interest to never use the pardoner power. But, by definition, the pardoner power extends the game exactly 1 cycle ....see where I'm going with this? His philosophies are completely contradictory! | ||
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Here's why I ask. As scum, for me, it seems much easier to simply pacify the source of the attention rather than call further attention to myself by apologizing to another player who hasn't even commented on the offending posts. It seems...too careless, you know? I don't think he's a good lynch really. It's true that his content is lacking, but from what I can see he seems genuinely interested in what's best for town. | ||
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On May 29 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote: And for the 4th time: I AM NOT ROLEBLOCKABLE FOR CHRISTS SAKE. Stop talking about something like that because it's not possible. This is just one example of anti-town information to share with the class. In fact, this almost makes me disbelieve the claim. Toad wtf are you doing? | ||
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What possible town motivation could you have for sharing the fact that you're not roleblockable with everyone? Hell, even people in PMs, why isn't that your most closely guarded secret? Wiggles, I'd like you to seriously SERIOUSLY consider lynching Toadesstern today...at the very least tell me what you think of the guy as completely and honestly as possible. I'm going to do the same right now. | ||
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Okay, yeah...that makes sense then. Like, if he had been the first to push a grush policy lynch then that would be one thing: proposing a weak policy lynch that's guaranteed to be shot down is easy as fuck for scum...but wholly unnecessary if someone has already run on the platform of killing grush. | ||
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....maybe. His filter is really short. ...like.....really short. The only person he talks to is Kenpachi...someone known to barely talk to anyone in games ever. :/ | ||
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BH, you're on JPG duty. I want 'em witty and I want 'em MSPainted. ET you're going to be the welcoming committee. I think individual greetings for each new player should suffice for now - we can increase the volume as needed. MZ, I want you on "scare replacements into activity" duty, because the last thing we need in here are inactives replacing inactives. Any questions? | ||
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power. Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far. If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why? I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. This whole thing is total wish-wish-ness. His read on SnB, "fishy" but not enough to lynch. Like, this is the closest thing in this post to saying someone is "scummy" or "suspicious" and it does NOT say anything like that. His read on Sinensis is similarly non-telling. He said he'd like to kill him, but then proceeds to ask him a couple of questions. This is the only content post he's made. | ||
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On May 29 2012 20:05 Zealos wrote: I explained that I didn't have the time to post yesterday, so vigging me will be killing a townie. Any reason you're so keen to do that? Posts like this really irk (pun intended ^^) me. First of all, it's clear by SS's post that he's suspicious of Zealos - that is to say, that he thinks he's scum. Yet Zealos' response is "But I'm townie, why do you want to kill a townie?" The obvious answer is that he doesn't - if you ask anyone in this game, literally anyone, whether they want to kill a townie, scum and town alike are going to say "of course not what a stupid question." No one WANTS to kill a townie...but the idea that Zealos is attempting to plant here is that supersoft wants to kill a townie. It's a manipulation move. Don't let it work. | ||
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On May 30 2012 04:42 Toadesstern wrote: no need. I already managed to make sure everyone knows I'm the most important guy in this game and more so, I am mod confirmed town! Just do as I say :3 This is....an oddly accurate summation of Toad's play...although there weren't nearly enough quotation marks or asterisks near the word modconfirmed for my liking. | ||
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On May 30 2012 04:56 Toadesstern wrote: VE you know what I find suspicious about you? Everything I suspect - but I'm assuming that because I opposed you so heavily yesterday for Leader. | ||
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Therefor if your target dies, I move that we do just that. I say DON'T tell us your target until after the hits are resolved, and if your target dies overnight then we judge you based on the merit of your posting rather than taking your claim for granted any longer. Is anyone opposed to this idea? | ||
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What are your thoughts on the Toad Claim thing? What about supersoft? This guy has been WAY active N1, anything to say about his posting since the flip? | ||
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On May 29 2012 00:10 GambitX32 wrote: ##Vote: EchelonTee From the voting thread. He's certainly skirting the activity limit, but he's at least A) posted and B) voted. | ||
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On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote: hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say? You yourself said that he was a good lynch SS. Why are you expecting everyone to now believe that you thought he was obvTown and that his lynch was a mistake? | ||
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Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? | ||
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Your ass better be active Toad, and I don't mean posting I mean READING bro. We all know you can post. Show us you can read too. And please stop spamming about how important you are. We all get it, it's very funny. Now stop. Now, who do you think should be considered for lynch today? Note I didn't ask you who we should lynch, I asked you who should be considered...which is begging a response of at least 2 or 3 people. | ||
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It's not accurate, because I'm not scum, but factually it is still up for debate. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:41 wherebugsgo wrote: I was roleblocked and took a hit last night. Going to assume that means a jailor protected me from a scum hit. I'm also going to assume it means that lurker I called out is probably scum. Yeah those are both fair assumptions. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Shut up Toad you're not worth a mafia bullet. You cause so much disruption regardless of alignment it's no wonder everyone calls you hypnotoad. We kill gambit man today. He ninja voted ET yesterday and he's said nothing. Eat shit and die, scum. ##vote Gambitx32 Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote: No, I lynch scum and scum exist indiscriminately of their posting activity. If we had no vigis and all 6 scum lurked, by your plan none of them would ever die. Can't have that, now can we? We absolutely can't, and if I were convinced that all 6 scum were lurking I'd definitely be down with lynching a scummy lurker...but as it stands, D2, I personally would rather find active scum. You can count on my support if it's needed though Bugs...Gambit has definitely gotta go one way or the other. | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:32 Blazinghand wrote: Grush: In the past 48 hours you have made 3 posts. They are: ._.;; I'll admit - I lol'd. | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:35 grush57 wrote: Atleast I'm not putting up some half-assed excuse to save Gambit while bussing him like Manason,S&B and austin. What about me Grush? I'm also in the "Let's not lynch Gambit just yet" camp, is my reasoning half-assed? What about Gambit do you find more threatening now than you did mere hours ago when you said Zealos should die? | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:37 VisceraEyes wrote: What about me Grush? I'm also in the "Let's not lynch Gambit just yet" camp, is my reasoning half-assed? What about Gambit do you find more threatening now than you did mere hours ago when you said Zealos should die? Got page-bumped. If you please Grush... | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:42 Kenpachi wrote: and fuck. Forumite started the zealos wagon. No point in trying to read a dead player :l It's important to note that Forumite was trying to find and kill scum (presuming Zim is scum...I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't be.) | ||
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On May 30 2012 10:45 Kenpachi wrote: yes but i figured Zealos is an easy as hell target to bandwagon on so i thought if we backtrack to those who rolled the wagon, we can find tracks of scum Oh I see what you meant - see that's why ever-so-slightly larger posts are sometimes necessary Ken. LOL | ||
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Grush Kenpachi IS a competent player when he wants to be. The problem is motivating him to want to play well. lol | ||
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On May 30 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote: So, 2 things: 1) I approve of grush trying to make cases 2) if you're gonna make a meta case on KP, check out his town meta... +1...except he said he was going to "be townie and put in effort and make cases"....so what does he do? Get into an argument and accuse the person he's arguing with. That's not A) effort nor B) a case nor C) townie. :/ | ||
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Mattchew wants to lynch SnB There, now even people ignoring you can see it. | ||
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On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. | ||
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On May 30 2012 12:11 wherebugsgo wrote: whether or not I've read the rest of the thread is pretty irrelevant when the guy I'm attacking isn't even interested in playing the game. [spoiler]IwillnottunnelbugsIwillnottunnelbugsIwillnottunnelbugs[spoiler] Guy, seriously...you're acting like YOU'RE not even interested in playing the game the way you're playing. Bugs: "Look at this guy with 2 posts kill it!" Others: "But Bugs what about Zealos" Bugs: "I haven't read Zealos, sheep me!" Others: "Bugs what about these other candidates?" Bugs: "My lynch of choice isn't picking up traction - only one explanation...scum interference! Sheep me if you're not scum!" Like...play with us guy! | ||
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On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. | ||
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On May 30 2012 12:33 GreYMisT wrote: Play nice, or I will ruin you. /cower | ||
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##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. | ||
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On May 28 2012 04:08 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm, mason would be a great claim for a lyncher. Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth on day two since he's already won by then. As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town. What's funny about the whole thing is that his alignment was not a factor to me. Obviously I want town to occupy the role, but my entire contention with Toad in the role was the fact that a mason who's not aware of his partner's alignment is automatically more prone to manipulation. Simply because only Toad reads it, if he's in contact with scum then they're 100% guaranteed to manipulate his use of whatever power he gains by being elected. The reason I hadn't voted for kitaman is because I wanted to see if MZ voted for him today. He expressed suspicion of him yesterday and I wanted to see if he meant it come dawn. Apparently he didn't, so I'm pushing this one alone. I'm going to make a full case, but I wanted to briefly address the points against me. | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote: -_- lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. I still feel its optimal to elect someone who didn't declare their candidacy in the first 24 hours, but Hyaach doesn't have nearly enough posts to warrent being elected. I'll have to decide tomorrow between the candidates. You mentioned earlier that I'm not interested in being elected, which is untrue. I would be perfectly content with being mayor. Odd or scummy? I'm not sure what is so strange to you. Toad role claims mason, which means he is either a lyncher or a mason. Therefore, we elect him as pardoner where he can do no harm and benefit town by denying the role that shortens the game by one cycle. Seems like a completely reasonable conclusion to me. Do you disagree that Toad should be elected? Humor us? Too tired to re-read the thread tonight. Tomorrow I'll have to give my thoughts about the lynch. First, his response to my first question was inadequate...for all we know, once the Lyncher achieves the Lyncher's objectives, the Lyncher leaves the game. I know it's not expressly written as such in the OP, but it makes sense that if a lynch can happen D1 then the Lyncher can win D1 and no one wants to play a game that can end before N1. It makes sense to assume that even given perfect Lyncher conditions, the game can still be played. But the point that I was trying to make (and the point that Kitaman fails STILL to explain) is why he's SO FOCUSED ON THE LYNCHER. He doesn't respond in this post except for ._. or whatever. Look at the red bolded statement. In context, it appears that he's trying to make it seem as if I'm trying to skirt around calling him scummy...yet this entire post he's responding to is about him and it's clear that I find him suspicious. That's the key here - it's not "skirting around calling someone scum" when it's clear that you're suspicious of them. My use of the word odd WAS meant to imply scummy, but the fact that he questions me about that makes it seem as though I intentionally avoided calling him scummy when in fact it wasn't necessary for me to do so. Subtle, yet effective. Now look at the blue italicized statement. Again, he asks a needless question for a specific purpose. I've gone on and on at this point that I absolutely do NOT want Toad elected to any position...but Kitaman specifically asks me this question "Do you disagree that Toad should be elected?" to A) make it appear that town consensus is that Toad should be elected (it was not) and B) make me out to be scummy for disagreeing. I know this, because if he were town and suspicious of me he would have read my posts and realized that I didn't want Toad elected, and would not have asked me this question. | ||
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There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. | ||
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##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. | ||
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On May 31 2012 00:59 Toadesstern wrote: have you not read my mayoral campaing? We don't lynch into WBG, we don't lynch into Foru (because dead), we don't lynch into me, we don't lynch into wiggles. That's already 4 vets we're not willing to lynch into. Makes Kita / VE look pretty bad imo, even without meta. Like, you're "confirmed town" right? I get why we don't lynch you...but why not lynch Wiggles or Bugs? Wiggles because he has an extra vote and looks town right? Bugs? Because he got hit? Did we completely forget that I claimed RB? And furthermore, we can rule out "jailed" because it appears Bugs was jailed right? So that leaves Roleblocked in the standard sense and that means that I can't be scum. I don't have a compelling reason why I'm not 3rd party, aside from the fact that we've killed one already and like I said, multiple 3rd parties in a Normal game doesn't seem possible. So again: why in the piss am I even being considered for lynch by anyone but Kitaman? | ||
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I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town. | ||
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On May 31 2012 01:38 Toadesstern wrote: wiggles can die himself just fine (I loved when the hound said that to joffrey ) Bugs is a vet but replaced in for someone else so unless we consider role-swapping after d1 had started I'd say he's not within the circle of vets that should be considered for balance. But Wiggles is more of a vet than Bugs! What are you even going on about? | ||
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nvm, you're carrying on Ken's work. He's better at it than you. Carry on if you want I guess. | ||
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No, from your first post you've made it clear that I'm not welcome in your order. Even now you speak in the past tense...indicating that even if it wear possible, the time is passed. It doesn't matter now. You don't want me to work with you even though by your estimation I'm skilled enough to "lead the scumteam"...which I find maddening. I hope your.conviction is as strong as your.suspicion. I'm town and I won't be just LETTING you lynch me. | ||
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I pushed your death D1 and N1 because you were my strongest read. My read hasn't REVERSED as you imply, you're by no means obvTown to me, but if we work together I feel like I can get a better read on you than if you just keep pushing me and I keep pushing you. I'm trying to learn from my mistakes. Let me bro. | ||
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Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. | ||
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On May 31 2012 02:43 Toadesstern wrote: do you think town-VE would post something like this: ? I do. While you're pushing my lynch Toad is.there anything you need from me? | ||
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Instead we should focus on who to lynch today. I'm fine with Gambit and anyone opposed should come say why. | ||
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Now that we're in the consolidation phase marvel, do you REALLY have a problem with a Gambit lynch or were you just trying to get info from Bugs? | ||
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Well, my speculation on the matter is that I was originally targeted and the Bugs replaced in, so they changed the kill but not the RB because they obviously had some kind of blue read (lmao) on me or I wouldn't have been RB'd in the first place. Whether he was hit because he's a vet or because he was suspicious of Gambit means pretty much nothing to me at this point - my thought process is that scum saw Bugs enter the game and chose to kill him instead of me. Similarly, I would consolidate on Zealos, so I'm feeling pretty good about this lynch if these are the competing wagons. I'm reading the thread trying to put shit together, if anyone needs anything let me know. | ||
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Anyone wanna sing Kumbaya with me before this whole thing goes south? | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote: nope. Gambit or Zealos are up for a lynch. And I could be wrong about the mason recruiter thing but that stood out and I thought about it because as mentioned I'm not a normal mason. Now that everyone got on the recruiter part anyways: The thing about my mason thing is that it's really not a mason like "you get to talk to this one guy". It's more like the gay-phone-session from AC. That's why I said I'm secure against manipulation because I'm not just talking with one guy. Holy Shit Toad, if you'd just said that initially.... That IS a good explanation for the anti-manipulation thing Toad. I'm sorry I was on your case about it. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:21 Toadesstern wrote: I could be totally wrong and it's just a random thing he called me "mason recruited" instead of mason but as I said, that really made me think he might be a mason as well. But it was a thought and therefore I'd say we just wait to see if that was some kind of coincidence. And obviously when I was referring to the gay-phone-session from AC I am referring to a phone-session without killing in the end. I'm not that mean. Yes, the distinction wasn't necessary Toad LMAO. | ||
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I tried to make a case, but to be honest all he's done is attack me...which, if he's town that's like....the town thing to do these days. -.- | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:26 Ange777 wrote: What's a gay-phone-session from AC???? BloodyC0bbler's Arkham City - there was a power in where a guy invited X number of people to a group mason QT without knowing anyone's alignment. It's similar to what Toad is saying he's got going on. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:30 Toadesstern wrote: I know, I thought the same but I'm not sure Maybe there's some variations idk How many games (Outside Responsibility) have you heard of that include different variations of the same role? I mean, is it possible? Yeah...obviously anything is possible. Probable? Meh. MEH. I don't think so sir. I think Gambit is a fine choice...Bugs, don't get buyer's remorse. Gambit is a fine lynch. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:33 Ange777 wrote: So a Mason Recruiter would be able to invite one random player into his playgroup every night? That is what Toad is claiming he is, as far as I can see. Call it what you will - the name doesn't really matter, only the function. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:06 jaj22 wrote: Ok, help us out here. What's the townVE motivation for asking Wiggles to seriously consider lynching Toad? That was a gross exaggeration based on an angry reaction I had to one of Toad's posts...which I explained in a post soon after. I couldn't see a townie motivation for volunteering the information he volunteered, so I angrily asked Wiggles to just remove him from the equation. It was mostly a joke. Mostly. | ||
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power. Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far. If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why? I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:14 jaj22 wrote: But a lot of your mud-flinging at Toad was long after his chances at election had gone. He only ever got one vote other than himself. Forumite was a more popular candidate. Nonono, Toad was never not in the running as "confirmed" * non-scum. And I wasn't "flinging mud" at Toad man, this is the lie. I simply don't take Toad's word that "I'm not manipulable". I think Toad is a skilled enough player, but EVERYONE to a degree is manipulable and someone who's talking to someone else privately is not someone I want holding the abort button on a lynch man...period. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Actually, Wiggles I'd REALLY like your opinion...you're firmly in the Gambit-For-Lynch camp, yeah? What do you think about this post by Zealos? | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't think that you can come to your conclusion based on that because he doesn't really suggest anything in other posts nor even in this one that he finds Toad to look town. It could be a semantic thing where he just thinks that Toad is town if he can prove he's a mason and if he's not he's lying scum. The dichotomy is obvious to anyone and I don't think this sentence in particular means anything. More interesting to me from that post is his sinensis sheep and how he calls out SnB but isn't willing to vote him and how he is aware of his own lurkiness. I mean...I didn't come to a conclusion...I made an observation. Are you saying I can't observe a cognitive disconnect? Whatever, I'm trying to justify to myself moving to your target, argue with me all you want dude. -.- | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:57 GreYMisT wrote: Well that doesnt sound very normal gamey to me NEITHER DOES MOST OF THIS SHIT NOW ANSWER THE QUESTION | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:29 Probulous wrote: @Supersoft, I know Matthew mentioned this but you never answered. How do you know that Matt claimed the hit before the hit PMs were sent out? He claimed after the Day post so my assumption would be that people knew if they had been hit. WBG and MZ never said anything about the PMs being late. Yeah I don't know what this is about either - I received my RB notification BEFORE the Day post, so I don't know why he's saying that Mattchew is lying because of the timing of "hit PMs"...I would assume all that stuff would be sussed out before the Day post goes up. *shrug* | ||
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"lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote: I know. But far too late. At this point of times there was no denyal that Zealos looked bad. It was just obvious. He really looked bad. However VE just mentions that fact but doesnt do anything about it.+ Moreover: GambitX32 - (4) Blazinghand VisceraEyes Mr. Wiggles Ange777 Zealos - (3) marvellosity Toadesstern wherebugsgo Dont you think it's remarkable that he refused to switch so far? even after we got toad claiming that Gamb is mason... and even wbg switched on zeal. ET this isn't desperation, this is my perceptions of the stuff happening right now. | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:48 Probulous wrote: Can someone link me the case against Zealos. He looks like an overwhelmed newb to me Is this something a newb scum would suggest? Particularly given the advice wasn't followed. Yes he has been lurky as hell but so have other posters and he seems geniunely frustrated What is the case besides him lurking? I'm glad you posted those two things Probulous, because those are two things I noticed as they were happening. In the first quote, it was pretty close to the deadline if I recall correctly - no more than a few hours. Was he really suggesting that in addition to the electoral race we institute ANOTHER vote to decide the lynch? Hours from the lynch? Is there any way to even do that? If you're town, can you imagine a scenario where that would work out? In the second quote, look at the bolded bit. As a townie, do you expect everyone to "know you're town"? As a townie, I expect NO ONE to know I'm town - as is the nature of the game for a townie...I know no one else's alignment and no one knows mine. However, Zealos "expects everyone to know I'm town". Who knows who is town and who isn't? Scum. I think Zealos is newbScum out of his element here. | ||
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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Prob can you take a look at this post and my thoughts on it and comment? Bugs is too busy thinking I'm a dumbass to take anything I say seriously. | ||
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On May 31 2012 09:10 Probulous wrote: Weren't you implying the same thing? You didn't want to vote him into office because he might get manipulated by scum. The way I read it, Zealos is saying that Toad can prove he is town when his mason actions occur. It is unlikely that scum would claim mason so early day 1 so it makes sense to assume Toad is town. But even so waiting till he confirms himself is not a bad play, in fact you were singing from the same song sheet. This assumption is important "The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town")" Why do you assume it is based on his posting and not his claim? It seems pretty townie to me to claim mason early. To be fair I don't. This is just an observation/hypothesis. | ||
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Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher? [/QUOTE] -_- [QUOTE]On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote: lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. [/QUOTE] So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No? | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote: lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No? | ||
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On May 31 2012 10:05 kitaman27 wrote: I think he is in a pool of about 10 players who have no interest in playing this game. If we're lynching lurkers then fine, but with his limited number of posts I can say to have an opinion one way or the other. Are you of the opinion that these "non-players" should get a pass and continue to "muddy the waters" of the game? I mean, if it's as you say and you can't read these 10 guys, do you want them alive at LYLO? Given what Probulous has said about Hyaach, you're not any more or less willing to lynch Hyaach over anyone else? | ||
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On May 31 2012 10:01 kitaman27 wrote: I assumed the lyncher would know who their target was. It would be incredibly difficult to have to lynch a random role like "Gaz", which would come mostly down to luck. Can I assume you just pulled that name out of thin air kitaman or was there something to that name in particular? Because I have to say...I can think of someone in the Zim universe who would LOVE to lynch Gaz. Like...love it. | ||
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Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!! | ||
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On May 31 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita. Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!! Case in point: Forumite! Forumite was third-party, and all he had to do was scumhunt to | ||
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On May 31 2012 11:22 Probulous wrote: So you think Kita is third party? My running theory is that Kita is mafia who wanted to divert town and discredit Toad. When that was shot down he changed tack and tried to discredit you. The problem I have is that he raised the lyncher thing first. It's like fearmongering -> discredit Toad -> discredit VE But that means his whole motivation for the lyncher obsession was to create confusion? It's possible of course, but I'm actually with you - I'd say Kita is more likely scum than third party. The Iggins thing was a joke because he mentioned Gaz, literally my favorite character in any show ever made. "But that means his whole motivation for the lyncher obsession was to create confusion?" Possibly...but I think it's probably more sinister than that if Kita is scum. Like, kita's town play is pretty easy to distinguish...he's active, he pushes his reads and he questions people to get those reads. All he's done this game was OMGUS all over my face, which is absolutely NOT the kind of play I expect of town Kita. Not at all. Town Toad definitely. Town VE absolutely. Not Town Kita. | ||
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You're sheeping Kita, nothing more. Everything you've said is basically what Kita has said only better, but what Kita has said is balls too, so that's not saying much. You got nothing. You're going to fail to get me lynched. Instead of cooperative, helpful VE, you get Dark Archon VE with mind control and shit...I hope you're prepared. I don't think you're prepared. | ||
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Still no vote Kita? Don't wanna be too HASTY? Don't wanna vote against town-sentiment? Cause that would just be DEVASTATING wouldn't it? You know, in case you have to kill me tonight, you don't want that name EVEN CROSSED OUT under my name huh? That's cool, I understand that. If I were scum I'd probably be a little cautious too. | ||
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I'm aware that is a Zim quote - this is not me claiming scum, for those of you who watch the show. | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:08 jaj22 wrote: Meh. The only town motivation I can construct for your filter is that: 1. You're obsessed with Toad and 2. You just fucking love posting. Waiting for MZ case part 2. I DO love posting, actually...and I am a little obsessed with Toad, as he's a little obsessed with me (go check his filter if you doubt it ). Our play mystifies one another, and neither of us can understand why anyone thinks the other is any good. It's kinda our thing. | ||
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The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? | ||
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It's not your fault, but it's a direct result of your actions against me in that game. It's destroyed my confidence in my reads and even myself. | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:53 GreYMisT wrote: You know where to keep discussions of ongoing games? in the ongoing games I was wondering when this was coming - you realize this is the like 4th instance of it happening... ^^ | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:54 wherebugsgo wrote: ooooooookaaaaay. we can't really discuss that game but it's irrelevant since I'm town in both. That's all I'll say. Your play was still mind boggling and I still don't understand it. Moving on, right now the problem is that you're sheeping cases and you say MZ and kita are suspicious for not voting you but you think I'm suspicious of you because of your apparent willingness to lynch scummy lurkers. That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim) So we don't question claims anymore? We take claims at face value all of a sudden? Good to know. I'm going home and I promise you a case for the ages tomorrow Bugs. That's all I can do at this point. I apologize I'm not as good as you'd hoped, but there it is. | ||
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What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 | ||
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I shot at Zealos last night. I was roleblocked. Let's please move on. | ||
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I'm town, I'm a vig and you're all trying to kill me. What now guys? What now? Where do we go from here? I'm sorry you disagree with my playstyle. I am. But this is how I play. It appears Palmar was right after all. I really am just a displeasure to play with. *sigh* | ||
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Yes, the spanish-style question was my breadcrumb, do I look spanish to you? Oh, because I like Mars Volta right? BH it stands out because I don't typically use an upside-down question mark in my questions...feel free to filter me and see if I do in any other instances...pretty sure I don't. | ||
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Kita the Iggins the Lyncher thanks you for your patronage. | ||
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On May 30 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir? - or alternatively - VE's Action Crumb Add to that the fact that I've been blathering on about Roleblocks and Vig shots and it's no wonder I was Roleblocked...but there you have it. | ||
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A case is coming, it's dominant. Probulous I asked you to check out Storm earlier, if you've done that the case will be much easier to read...I'll reference it a lot. In short, Kita's town play is easily identifiable, as I'll show, and his play this game is not his town play, as I'll also show. | ||
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Anyway, I'm not arguing about the breadcrumb. You guys find it inadequate, that's fine...I generally don't even bother. I'll be making my case against Kita, so while you're busy trying (and succeeding) to get me lynched MZ, I'll be trying to find scum. So good luck with your little crusade there buddy. | ||
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OKAY I GET IT MY BREADCRUMB WAS SHITTY AND SO IS MY PLAY AND I'M TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME! AHAHAAHAHHAHAHAA AQHAAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH That's hilarious! | ||
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On February 21 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote: These quotes come from couples therapy and ptp2. You were town both games. So why the change in play-style red? On February 21 2012 08:50 kitaman27 wrote: So to be clear, you did not have a mafia epiphany causing a change in playstyle to support policy lynches? Instead you pushed the policy simply to generate discussion? On February 22 2012 00:25 kitaman27 wrote: This type of language makes you look scummy. If you don't know what to think about an action, why are you bringing it up? Providing no opinion is essentially summarizing, which is an easy way to contribute without contributing. If you think someone is scummy call it scummy. Calling things weird doesn't say anything one way or another. Without announcing it in the thread? lol you act as if I'm voting you without ever mentioning you. Who cares if I post it in the thread. Yes, I voted tyrran in the first post of the game. I do that in most games. Do you believe that's scummy? Yes, I attacked you for your discrepancy in opinion, does that make me scummy? Have any of the reasons in your omgus vote pointed to me being scummy? You pushed a policy lynch and immediately backed off an hour into the game after getting in trouble. You didn't even mention that you still wanted to lynch tyrran. Instead it took my questioning for you to even bring it up. If tyrran was your preferred lynch, why did you switch to me hours later? You said you dropped tyrran because you didn't think you could get him lynched. Does that mean you're more confident that you can push my lynch? Or is it that you are simply attacking your attacker? You discredited the ability to scum hunt on day one, push a policy lynch because of a mafia epiphany, drop the policy lynch because you were simply generating discussion, go back to supporting the policy lynch after being questioned, and then swap to the guy who is questioning the policy lynch. Nap time. As much as I enjoy talking about red, I'll try to look at everyone else when I wake up. You probably don’t recognize these posts. This is from Storm Mafia, among his first act in the game. Immediately Kita attempts to establish his innocence with stuff that matters: finding scum. But not just finding scum, finding ACTUAL scum. That’s the thing here: in these posts, Kitaman is very clear about what he finds suspicious about redFF’s behavior. Why? Because he’s not just trying to smirch redFF’s name, he’s attempting to discern his alignment. Kitaman is town in this game and doesn’t KNOW redFF’s alignment. Contrast that with his first few posts of this game. On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote: I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote: I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote: Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. Now, understandably, the circumstances are slightly different as we have a mayoral election in this game. However, as a townie your number one priority is to find scum. That includes in this game, because if we elect a scum mayor or pardoner, then we’re at an even greater disadvantage. However, there’s a distinct lack of scumhunting in ANY of Kita’s early posts. Verily, it isn’t until I start attacking Kita that he comes up with his very first “scum read”, me. I could go on and on and on, the differences are night and day. The easiest thing to do is for you to go read Storm Mafia yourself. However, I wanted to look at one more thing before I move on: reaction to a blue claim. Here is Town Kita responding to a blue-claim kinda similar to mine (only with more ragequitting and less awesomeness) On February 22 2012 12:23 kitaman27 wrote: Dang it, I'm a sucker for blue claims. Funny to see the votes pile up on red after the claim, rather than before. On one hand, a mafia player who is set to die should always be claiming blue, but on the other, his claim ties up a potential roleblocker. Tracker is a tricky claim because even confirming it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't a mafia stalker or something. I'll be keeping my vote on him for the moment. Now to everyone else: I've enjoyed comedy hour with Jackal, but his filter is completely void of content. Not a single post showing he isn't just along for the ride. Toad appears to be going through post-Arkham depression or something. A lot of fluff and he isn't very willing to share his reads. These two statements by prpl completely contradict each other. You argue how you don't think red is scum, but you're willing to vote him to avoid no lynch? How does that make sense? If you're going to argue that he really is blue, then of course a no lynch would be more beneficial. How about push a different lynch if red isn't your priority? This is really poor from him. I know I already picked on Dirkzor for his language, but I'm going to do it again. "Hey guys. Look at me and my protown attitude!" Only scum say this. Lack of aggression and confidence. Please note the following things: he’s cautious to consider the ramifications of the claim, and he does so succinctly before moving on to other scum - that is, his main scum target claimed blue and he’s immediately off looking for other scum IN CONJUNCTION with the claim. Please note that this is D1 and FAR less has happened in this game than in the game we’re playing now. Take a look at how Scum Kita reacts to my blue claim. On May 31 2012 14:44 kitaman27 wrote: You're always a pleasure to play with VE <3 So you're a vig who shot night one, but didn't call your shot? On May 31 2012 14:51 kitaman27 wrote: If you vig'd him at night and was roleblocked, why am I you're primary lynch target going into day two? Wouldn't it make more sense for your target to be the guy you just tried to kill? In summary, Town Kita: On February 24 2012 12:43 kitaman27 wrote: bah I just spent 2 and a half hours reading the thread and going through filters/past games and I don't have much to show for it other than some town reads and some kinda-maybe inactive scum reads. I'm pretty exhausted from earlier today so hopefully I'll have something more concrete tomorrow after a good night's sleep. On a side note, I really really hate no flip -_- A zero kp setup seems extremely difficult to balance, especially for a "normal game". Scum might have a poisoner (in which we wouldn't have a notification), town might have ton of roles punishing mistakes, or scum might have some sort of conditional kp, but it seems much more likely they missed on their hits. This makes me feel good about bugs since its certainly true from lotr. Additionally, he didn't spearhead the lynch on day one, which is a common bugs scum pattern. I was somewhat weirded out by the "I love you" comments, since he did the exact same thing with chaoser in arkham, but I disagree with VE that he is the best lynch for today. syllo has more posts on day one than he usually does in an entire game as scum. Unless he has drastically changed his scum game, he is looking town. It's already been said, but I'll agree that an inactive RoL is a scum RoL. He promised a good showing, but right now he being considered for a lynch. Got anything to say? I dislike people passing off prpl as bad. He had a monster scum game in the large game hosted by GM and had a good showing in responsibility. That being said, his "I don't think red is scum, but I'll vote for him to secure the lynch" post is really poor. It was really early in the day, why isn't he providing an alternate lynch candidate instead? Additionally, his posting has been really defensive and it shows that not getting himself lynched seems to be a priority. nuke hasn't done any scum hunting. His explanation for his vote was "because syllo said so". I'll see if I can come up with a better case on someone tomorrow, possibly chaoser. Scum Kita: Any questions so far? | ||
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The Sad, Sad Tale of Lyncher-Foot Pt. 1 was all about meta...he looks good as town, he looks bad this game. Simple enough. Pt. 2 is going to be about his Lyncher fixation which has been glossed over briefly by several people. Now, I understand why town wouldn’t want the lyncher in office, in theory. IN THEORY, according to the numbers, the lyncher’s target is going to be town, so having him in office means that he’ll probably lynch into townies. But the problem with that is, if he just lynches into the towniest individuals in an attempt to kill his “townie target”, then town is going to CRUCIFY him for it! Everyone take a look at Wiggles’ town-cred right about now. Wiggles tried to lynch the scummiest target he could and HE STILL TOOK MASSIVE FLAK FOR IT! What do you think would happen when a Lyncher shoots his load into town on D1? Now, obviously there’s the double-vote to consider, and he’d probably wait to really mislynch until he’s surer of his target, yadda yadda, yes you’re correct. However, this isn’t Kita’s concern. Kita’s concern is keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher, so the Lyncher can’t win D1. He even goes so far as to random-vote for mayor. Then Toad claims mason. Here’s his response: On May 28 2012 04:08 kitaman27 wrote: Hmm, mason would be a great claim for a lyncher. Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth on day two since he's already won by then. As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town. On May 28 2012 05:49 kitaman27 wrote: Lets end the discussion right now. Toad is our pardoner. It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor. Here’s the thing about how he responds: he’s indifferent about whether or not Toad is town or the Lyncher, he just doesn’t want him in control of the D1 lynch. But!!!!! The D1 lynch isn’t the end of the Lyncher’s danger to town! The Lyncher is still a threat to town regardless of whether he’s the mayor or not! Furthermore, if he was so concerned about the lyncher winning, then if he thought Toad might be the lyncher it’s optimal to KILL Toad, not keep him around another day. Why? Because even if Toad isn’t the Leader, town may still hit his target and win him the game!! :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO In the OP, the Mod wrote: Lyncher Must get his target lynched to win. If he does not, he loses. There’s nothing about a time limit in there! There’s nothing that says it had to be done by D1! But this is the primary motivation behind putting Toad in office - to keep him from being mayor because he suspects he’s the lyncher. I guess if the lyncher is this big “threat to town”, I wonder why Kita wasn’t more moved by Toad’s mason-claim, which after all, is “a great claim for lyncher”. I understand the theory behind “but his claim is like, confirmable DUDE!”...BUT, it seems to me that if Kita is “arguing for what’s best for town” and the Lyncher is a serious threat to town, SO MUCH SO that he’s not only betting the mayoral election on it, but making it the entire focus of his D1, then the possibility of Toad being the lyncher would be more frightening to him. It’s not. He doesn’t care. In Summary: The lyncher is a joke role. It’s like a survivor, if you leave it alone it will either win or lose at the end of the game. Sure it might have a town target, but as Forumite’s flip showed us, it might have a scum target too. Kita’s entire D1 activity was centered around removing this “threat” from town, in spite of the fact that nothing he did on D1 would actually remove this threat from town. | ||
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I don't know if Kita is the lyncher or if Kita is scum. I THINK he's scum, but honestly he could be third party. The point of my second part was to show how Kita's D1 activity was indicative of him not having town's best interest at heart. To be honest, everyone is overreacting to A) MZ's case and B) my claim. MZ's case really is bad, I can't understand why so many people think it's good. I've been trying to find scum, and I've been trying to generate game-relevant discussion. I understand that I post a lot, but I'm not trying to 'spam the thread away' or anything, I'm just a sociable, talkative guy. | ||
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I want you to put in in the thread now, because you need to be held accountable for it when I flip. What does that mean about the other players when I flip town? | ||
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If MZ was reading the thread, why was he discussing Kitaman with me D1? I may have dropped the ball when I was hardline against Toad for pardoner, but that's where my mistakes END bro. MZ would have you believe I've been anti-town ALL GAME. I challenge anyone to read my filter and see if they reach the same conclusion...I've been trying to find scum all game, and it should be apparent to anyone who cares to look. Now, the question becomes: why do we REALLY want to lynch me? First of all, I'm a decent player. I'll help you guys find scum. Secondly, I'm friendly! I encourage a COOPERATIVE town environment. Thirdly, I'm a vig! I'm going to try and shoot scum! MZ is taking advantage of the lazy town atmosphere. He posted a huge case on me that I doubt anyone read, but knows everyone will "agree" with because of its target and because of the fact that everyone in town wanted to lynch someone different until that point. Look at how maliciously aggressive he is against me! Why?! I mean, I get if he thinks I'm scum, but go read some of my interactions with Kita...I've thought he was scum most of the game, and I've managed to keep it relatively civil. Maybe that's a playstyle difference, I don't know...but I know that angering someone is no way to get information from them. If MZ were town, he would be concerned that he might not be right and would be more civil with me in hopes that in the "unlikely event" that I'm town, I could provide some insight for after I flip. MZ isn't interested. | ||
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I'd shoot Wiggles tonight if you guys let me live. I'm done with his BS. | ||
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GG town. Kill Scum. | ||
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Add to that the fact that he's not even considering the POSSIBILITY that he's mistaken, especially after the claim, and yeah I'm pretty confident. | ||
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People can't even read the case I HAVE written, I'm not writing another one. | ||
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DAT RESISTANCE-FREE LYNCH! MZ seems to think I might be "leading the scumteam"....it seems to me that if that were the case, there would be more resistance to my lynch. *shrug* | ||
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Jesus if I get inched like this every game then why is everyone so sure I'm this fierce red player...just think about it guys that's all I'm asking. | ||
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MZ is attempting to lead town through force. He knows his case has no merit, but because top-tier payers have him as a town read, he's riding the wave of town sentiment to achieve his objectives. | ||
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The last example was meant to be a joke...the ol' triple. | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote: If MZ's close minded then what was your play in MTG, where you killed yourself just to get another townie killed? And yes, marvellosity: it's a policy lynch because VE needs to learn to stop retardedly claiming regardless of his alignment. It makes it nearly impossible to know what he is. I mean, I can only apologize so many times for my play in MTG Bugs. I've hoped my play in this game would redeem me, but clearly when all you see is how it's being maliciously misinterpreted and you automatically assume I'm incompetent as town, then you're going to immediately discount anything I say anyway. Again, I'm sorry for my play in MTG Bugs. Srs. Outside whatever alignment I am or you are in this game, I'm sorry. | ||
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I have nothing to gain from lying to you, because as it stands I'm going to die anyway. If I were scum and lying, it will be obvious tomorrow after the night actions. And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone. | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: He took your claim at face value like he had to. As scum he can't go and tell the thread you were lying and he wouldn't even know that because you might have been shot by a vigi. I really don't read into his reaction one way or another. What I think is more significant is how he defends S&B the moment you reveal your "trap." Oooh yes Mattchew, notice how attempting to see a Townie motivation is considered "scummily defending" to MZ. This is the sentiment I'm talking about sir. <3 | ||
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I think your plan was good, but you jumped the gun on SnB...I would have waited until someone came in and was like "Yeah, it was a vig" rather than SnB's "Well guys, any chance it could be a vig?" | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:45 kitaman27 wrote: Are you able to recruit me again? I'd totally team up with you if that were the case. I don't recruit scum. + Show Spoiler + ...<3 | ||
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Do you guys want to lynch who the LURKERS want to lynch? Really? They're not reading the game...they're not even playing in the real sense. Vote with me, I'm reading. I'm trying. Kill Kitaman or Zealos or Wiggles or take your fucking pick...don't lynch claimed Town Vigilante. | ||
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What does this even mean? What are you implying? This is MZ attempting to discredit my plea by dismissing it, but insinuating that it's in some way scummy. Why? Why is what I'm saying "piling on" to anything? YOU aren't even trying MZ, you're tunneled in on me and you have NO IDEA. Like, and I know you bro - you're not one to succumb to tunnelvision. It ALL indicates MZ with an agenda bro. | ||
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On June 01 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote: But yeah Idk why we're lynching VE over Kita or Zealos. THEN VOTE FOR KITA OR ZEALOS.... ...Dude, it's not hard. A lot of people find Kitaman suspicious...MZ to the rescue. And MZ has a direct line to the Mason, who is also on board with the VE case...like magic. Please guy, do the right thing. For the town. Vote for Kitaman. | ||
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THE OTHER OPTION IS MAYBE WE CAN GET A KITA LYNCH WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN | ||
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WINWINWINWINWINWINWINWINWINWIN Guys, please. Listen to reason. This VE lynch is really bad. No one is TOTALLY comfortable with it, and there's a reason. | ||
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On June 01 2012 05:44 Toadesstern wrote: I am totally comfortable with it "I'm not manipulable HURRDURR" | ||
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On June 01 2012 05:58 Toadesstern wrote: Your lynch is the most reasonable thing we can do right now. If you are town you're a VT now because as already mentioned you're going to be roleblocked into oblivion. There won't be a way to figure you out until we see you flip, unless of course we listen to reason instead of the claim and reason tells me you're mafia or 3rd party. The claim is the only thing that scares people and you know yourself that people believe every ridiculous claim these days just for the sake of the blue color and the fear of lynching into a blue. Everyone who's a lynchtarget turns into a blue eventuellay these days. Just look at BM when he fakeclaimed Mad Hatter telling town he had bombs on the 2 most likely townies in the game. Didn't do him any good but he survived one day longer. We're going to be in the very same situation tomorrow without you being flipped. Some people will scream for your head, some will keep on saying 'don't lynch the blue just because he got rb'ed'. Might as well get over with it and play with open hands d3. Nonono, I think we can lynch Kita today, flip red, I shoot, I'm not roleblocked for fear of being watched, and I shoot another scum tonight. I come in D3 having EARNED confirmed status, and you get to explain why you wanted to kill me tomorrow while we lynch MZ. That's what I think can happen if we work together. I think you'll have do a fine job of convincing me and town that killing me was a good idea after I'm confirmed, especially if you work with me now. We gotta get there bro, and I think that's the situation we'll be in D3, not people calling for my head. Work with me Toad. | ||
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Will you read my Kita case? Please? I'm seriously trying, and not everyone "wants me dead" guy, that's just town sentiment talking to you. | ||
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In fact, I'll let YOU decide. You're confirmed town, right? I don't think town would have a problem with you picking my target. What do you say Toad? | ||
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On June 01 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: I fucking detest this 'let's get it over with' sentiment that both wbg and Toad have expressed on this page. It makes my blood curdle. I'm merrily sitting on the fence whether VE is town or scum. In the past I've voted to lynch him twice, and he was town, and in LI I didn't vote to lynch him, and he was scum. There's things I don't like about VE - the Zealos issue, and his meta case on kita, but there is waaaaaaaay too much stuff being read as a narrative. Almost anyone's filter can be made to read scummily if you want it to, but everything he says is being fit to this narrative without looking at the alternative. There's really too much "oh, might as well". Does everyone voting VE genuinely believe he's scum? Obviously this isn't aimed at kita/MZ/Toad, but the rest of you. Is he the best chance of flipping scum for today or are you being led by vocal people? Are you suspicious of Kitaman independently Marv? | ||
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On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. It LOOKS LIKE I'm just feigning activity with "fluff". Okay, well, this point is invalid without examples of my fluffy feigned activity. The fact of the matter is that I was scumhunting and trying to get people to comment on others in an attempt to build a baseline for scumhunting later. It's called scumhunting, and it's not fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. Okay, well here's the thing: the fact that it's easy to make as scum does not make it a fake claim. Sorry, but that's just not the case. If you have some kind of reason to believe that it's a fake RB claim now is the time, but you don't give any reasoning other than "Easy to make" and "Look at the language" without saying WHY the language is indicative of me being scum lying about the claim. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. Easy Targets? supersoft maybe, Zealos though, do you not think Zealos is scummy? Really? And Kitaman is an easy target? Honestly? Because it seems to me like Kitaman is about the HARDEST target to lynch today outside of "confirmed"* town Toad. This is MZ trying to take my initiating discussion about the lynch and twisting it into something scummy. This whole case is ridden with stuff like this. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. By saying this, I was implying that my lynch wasn't happening and from the lynches possible I wanted to pick the best one. My lynch IS a good lynch, but based on the responses I got overnight, pushing Kita right out of the gates on D2 seemed hasty, especially considering I couldn't make a cohesive case BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE THREAD. So I was trying to find a lynch that I could call a GOOD lynch from the lynches I perceived as possible, and this IS NOT SCUMMY. This is just what I was doing because that's what I saw as the best move. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. You can continue to ignore the fact that maybe my stance on lurkers changed after I saw what a problem they were CONTINUING TO BE, EVEN AFTER REPLACEMENTS. I mean, fuck MZ, you're just not giving me ANY breaks, are you? You're not even TRYING to see a townie motivation at all, you've just made up your mind that I'm scum and are giving the story as though I were scum. GUESS WHAT I'M TOWN SURPRISE!!! VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. Here's the lie that's being forced on town right now: that me not voting for Toad was scummy. None of you voted for Toad, are any of you scummy? No, because it was all brought on by the EVIL MUDSLINGING VE right? Except here's my thoughtprocess on the thing: if it's impossible for scum to claim Mason (because a scumbuddy would have to out themselves) then....why don't more scum do it? Seriously, if the generally accepted axiom is "scum don't do that" then.............why wouldn't scum do that? I get that having a confirmed town in office would be cool and everything, but seriously guys, me having a preference about who to elect IS NOT SCUMMY! NO AMOUNT OF MZ SCREAMING ABOUT IT MAKES IT SO This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Flailing? K.... Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:21 kitaman27 wrote: I was the first person to bring up a case against him. How is that letting others do my bidding? Spending time convincing VE that he is scum isn't going to solve anything. I haven't disappeared. If you'd like a long list of individuals who have disappeared, I'd be more than happy to direct you their way. You could be spending time looking for scum aside from me...trying to get me to "slip up" and "give you my team" or something...you're not doing anything...you're just watching grinning. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:30 strongandbig wrote: Ugh. Marv, I'm feeling again like I did before we lynched you in wof. Why am I so bad at this game? Tell me this - if VE gets roleblocked tonight then won't we just waste all of day 3 on the same crap if we no lynch today? Ugh, MZ's case is covincing but my gut is like "no bro don't do it!" Then don't do it sir. I answered Pt2 of MZ's case because that's all I have time for...but Pt. 1 is the same stuff - MZ selling a narrative that kinda explains my actions but doesn't account for the fact that I could be doing all of this as town with townie motivations. And he's selling it as some kind of infallible case and it's just not at all sir. Do the right thing. Vote for Zealos or Kitaman. Actually Zealos looks more likely, so vote for him. ##Unvote ##Vote: Zealos | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:35 Ange777 wrote: I am going to put my vote on VE as well. I didn't like his vote switching and we have no guarantee that VE is vig, won't be roleblocked again, .... I think most of the concerns were already mentioned. What was not mentioned in MZ's analysis Actually I never understood that one. If you don't have support for a lynch, you get some by posting a strong case. It shouldn't be the other way round. Vote-switching is part of the game. What if I had landed on you, you would be appreciative of me switching off then right? Votes are a tool. I use them. I go through this in every game. What matters is what I choose to do with it with the lynch. Today I want to lynch either Kita or Zealos...do you disagree with either of those choices? Then why does my vote-switching bother you? Getting vets to support your lynch is different from getting other players to agree with your lynch. With normal players you're correct, but vets have a preconceived notion of what scum are likely to do and how they're likely to act, so you have to kinda wait until vets notice the shit on their own. That's why I was so excited when MZ said he thought Kita looked suspicious and why I wanted to see if he was serious today - because with MZ's support I could feasibly get a lynch of Kita rolling. MZ reneged though and ended up targeting me. C'est la vie. | ||
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On May 28 2012 14:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: VE you've played good so far this game but I can't give you my vote after liar game... maybe next game bro. This is a quote from MZ AFTER MOST OF THE STUFF HE'S BITCHING AT ME ABOUT. Where was all of this "Hey that's anti-town/scummy" then huh? Think guys please. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:52 Probulous wrote: No-one has been able to answer this for me. That's because there is no correct answer to this question...because I'm not scum. Probulous and marvel, thank you for listening to reason. I charge you two with pulling towns' head out of its ass when I'm gone. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:56 Ange777 wrote: I meant that he didn't try to initiate cases but chose to go with cases that were already presented. Did you miss me grilling Kita D1? What about me grilling Sin D1? I've been trying to find scum all game, please just do the right thing. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:56 austinmcc wrote: VE, before you die, I need to put on my tinfoil hat again. Several posts of yours had extra .s added in, see the one in the middle of lynch there, and I can find the others if needed. Could be just typos, but I'm pretty sure there's another explanation here that involves band-aids, toad's train, and your keyboard. U gonna own up to this? Phone posting...sry. It's new (Droid Charge) and I'm not used to it. Nothing more sinister than that I'm afraid. | ||
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On June 01 2012 08:03 Toadesstern wrote: Ok VE seems like some idiots forced us to do supersofts plan. You deliver us a dead mafia and you life. I will not choose the target nor will someone else, you choose it yourself. If I am REALLY wrong about you I am probably also wrong about other assumptions and with this voteswitch of doom I'm not willing to consider you (or Hassy or BH or Gambit) unless something BIG happens. Make that BIG happen and you life VE. /salute | ||
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