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On May 31 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Because like you I need vet support to ly.ch a vet. Nothing strange about that.
VE, before you die, I need to put on my tinfoil hat again. Several posts of yours had extra .s added in, see the one in the middle of lynch there, and I can find the others if needed. Could be just typos, but I'm pretty sure there's another explanation here that involves band-aids, toad's train, and your keyboard. U gonna own up to this?
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Maaaaaaaaaan. G32 you got some 'splainin to do.
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Regarding G32: I'm on board with a shot or a lynch. Wasn't down with that before, because of the whole mason bit, but he hasn't responded to that.
Furthermore, after some thinking, there's an alternative explanation for him knowing the name of the role. Scum gets fakeclaim pms, right? If one of the fakeclaims were a mason, it would have to be the same as the name of Toad's role, so he'd know the name of the role without actually being a mason. For those that expressed doubt at having 2 sets of mason circles in the same game, him reading a fakeclaim and blurting that out provides a way to explain him knowing the name of the role without relying on chance.
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Re-read a few filters, wanted to put some thoughts up as I'm about to be gone for the night. Didn't get to everyone. Also, I'm typing this up at the end of work and am headed out, so it's very wall-of-texty and messy. Sorry for that, but I don't have time to clean it up, and I figure better to throw this out there even though I don't expect to get NKed.
I've got strong town reads on sTofu and marv.
+ Show Spoiler +sTofu hasn't been particularly active, but he seems to have been relatively open. This post + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 14:01 sToFu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote: VisceraEyes: case stated earlier sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader strongandbig: stated ealier Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy.
You asked for my opinions? Here. VE: MZ makes a compelling case, as stated earlier. Wiggles: If you look through my (very short) filter, you'll notice that I begin with confidence in Wiggles. His posting quality hasn't changed - all his posts are well thought out. What concerns me, however, as indicated in my reads post, was that his posts felt too diplomatic and designed to appeal to the masses. You'll also notice that I tried to subtly call Wiggles out for not posting. His posts are growing even less frequent and more noncommittal. Although nothing he has done is indicating mafia, but his lack of action is growing ever more suspicious. SnB: I'm on the fence. His posts read as those of a logical townie, and (as I have stated previously) I believe Mattchew's case on SnB is frankly devoid of content. Others, however, have pointed out his somewhat scummy behavior throughout this game. I wouldn't lynch him - I'd even rather hit a lurker. Hassy: Who? Notable thoughts not really mentioned: Mattchew - Continued tunnel-vision on SnB. Little to no interaction with any other case. grush - Bad play in previous game. Target of D1 lynch and clears up posting. Pressure on him fades and his posting quality and quantity decreases accordingly. This feels like scum play - post well when called out, and lurk hoping not to be noticed for the rest of the time. Manason - I can't be the only user with alarm bells ringing in my head after his last few posts. I believe that he is scum. I'm starting my case against him. However, I feel like it'll be slightly lacking (plus he might just be having a bad day), and there are plenty of worthy lynch targets in the meantime. I dislike the lurker lynch at this point in time. The cases for each one are roughly equivalent, as demonstrated by how quickly the lurker lynch changed. so I'm going to stick with what I've been pushing for since I read Zealos' filter and his postings (after my reads post): ##Vote: ZealosAs a minor note, I feel that a Zealos lynch, considering his early activity and initial willingness to impart information, shouldn't be considered a lurker lynch. in particular pushed my read way green. I forget who originally asked for reads on a list of players, but sTofu provided his thoughts, however short, on those players and then included others. The extra effort makes it seem less like he's coasting along and just responding when his name came up to give reads on certain players. Moreover, his response to supersoft with + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2012 16:38 sToFu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 15:09 supersoft wrote: lol why am i so much better at this game than you, stofu A number of reasons, actually: you've probably played a lot more than me, and from your posting history, have probably read more carefully and more deeply than my current time constraints allow me to do, especially given how spam-happy the first few hours appeared to be. Furthermore, in RL mafia, I often disregard words in exchange for body language and tone, key factors that don't transmit well over the internet. I would actually appreciate any advice but everything you say to me in this game would be tainted by your initial hostility towards me. came off townie to me. Doesn't leap all over super, doesn't push the newbie card hard, just gives a very open and honest response. After marv's question to VE-voters about why they found him scummy apart from sheeping MZ's case, I wanted to find him scummy. I went to his filter specifically looking to find scumminess. Came up empty. He was on zealos, had some doubts about gambit early on when zealos and other candidates had already been pushed. For the most part, his logic has lined up with mine and so despite looking for anything scummy, he comes off squeaky clean in my mind.
Most of the other filters I looked at gave me felt scummier: manason, ange777, papapanda, supersoft. While they're all red here, my strongest read would be ange777 I guess. + Show Spoiler +Manason Manason has mentioned Kita, Zealos, VE, Wiggles...and that's basically it. Just chimes in on those topics, promises early on to be more active and then tells us he's lazy and doesn't want to dig through filters to make a case, and wants to sheep vets instead. He's basically coasted along without doing anything, and while he mentions Kita and Zealos every 2 posts or so, and ALWAYS mentions that he finds them scummy, he doesn't really get into why he finds them scummy. Same refrain over and over on some easy targets without ever giving his own reasoning. Ange777 Ange777 hasn't posted much, but his filter looks awful to me. Start with Zealos, and his initial mention - + Show Spoiler +On May 30 2012 07:01 Ange777 wrote:Ok, so I kind of tried to read all the trillion posts and probably already forgot half of them or mixed up the players. Some thoughts: Zealos I actually would not suspect him to be scum just because he claims VT. In my last (and first) game everyone was pressured to claim directly which - surprisingly - lead to everyone claiming VT. Having only played that game where not claiming was deemed scummy I believe I could have done the same as Zealos. Although he has played several games already and should definitely be more experienced (and maybe know that claming on the start of day 1 is not a common strategy). What DOES make me suspicious of him is this: Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:48 Zealos wrote: I am a townie, because of this, I am posting under the assumption that everyone knows I'm town. In this game no one knows for sure whether you are town until you flip green. So why should any of us assume otherwise? "VT claim doesn't make him seem scummy, but saying you're townie IS scummy." After that post, he just soft defends Zealos and pushes G32 instead -- + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 05:31 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 05:09 marvellosity wrote:On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote: I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit. Do you think Gambit's posts have been scummier? What information do you expect to glean from a Gambit lynch? To be honest, I think both are at a same scummy level. Posting a big list with names and commenting on them seems like a nice way to fake a townvibe. They don't really address any follow up questions (especially Gambit with his two posts only). Wiggles quoted some people soft defending Gambit which could give us some information if we lynch Gambit. For a lack of a better lynch target I am willing to give a Gambit lynch a try. On May 31 2012 05:35 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 05:21 marvellosity wrote: P.S. - I want a good reason why people aren't voting Zealos. Why is Gambit a stronger lynch? Why is Zealos a stronger lynch in your opinion? -- Again, he doesn't really deal with Zealos on the merits. He talks about info, says Zealos and G32 equally scummy, NEVER gives any legitimate read on Zealos, but is always pushing G32 instead (without acknowledging why he finds G32 scummier. I don't like the Zealos/G32 bits at all. Beyond Zealos, what does ange777 talk about? Not much. But where he chimes in, IF you already view him scummy, he looks worse. He fishes for a little info on what a mason recruiter might be, not inherently scummy on its own. He looks hard at the vote counts, again, not inherently scummy, but if your scumteam is trying to make sure you've got the votes, you're going to be really concerned with the numbers right up until deadline. papapanda papapanda has similar intereactions with zealos, but using hyaach is an alternative. Again, doesn't seem to focus on why zealos is/isn't scummy, but just wondering why you wouldn't go with hyaach isntead. What also stuck out to me was - + Show Spoiler +On June 01 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote: Gambit didn't respond yet, if he ninjas today he is dead tomorrow.
. Again, not much on its own, but if you find him scummy, he brings up the possibility of a G32 ninja vote before G32 does so, which can hint at that being the scum plan for G32 to vote without having to be here and respond to questions. supersoft I gave supersoft a pass on his N1 play, and I'm typing this out last so I'm going to rush through which sucks because rereading his filter made him look much scummier. If you throw out the explanation for his N1 conduct and just judge him on everything else, I don't like it. I will grab quotes later, don't figure I'll be a NK, and can fill this in. If you open his filter, you can read along though. He starts out barely pushing zealos. Never makes an actual case, really says anything, but starts to take credit for the idea that zealos is scummy. Provides some reasoning/case only after town has turned clearly anti-zealos. After N1, wants to know who took bullets and wants any vigs who shot to claim (Again, not inherently scummy unless you see him as such). I also really dislike his alternate plan for leaving VE alive overnight. If you reread it, and the discussion that follows, we start to poke some holes in it. It requires the watcher to claim, it doesn't get us anything in a lot of situations, etc. I didn't catch him fully responding to the concerns, which I really disliked and is what made me reread him without taking N1 into account.
I also reread grush. Now that I feel the frustration of trying to read him firsthand, I can understand the lynch-Grush campaigns a little more. All I can say is that despite his promise of improvement, I don't see it. Yes, some posts are more than a line. But overall, he seems happy to just poke in, make some jokes, dick around, and then leave.
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Going to put my vote on kita at the moment. Happy to switch it later if needed. Despite nobody coming forward and thinking Gambit is town, nobody (except Kita) has really come forward and said that about kita either.
It's not a big preference on my part, but I don't want to swing everything to Gambit too early. All/most of our very low volume posters have popped in and voted Gambit, which makes me want to sit on the other side at this point.
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Seeing as we don't seem to be considering other targets, I'll swap my vote over to G32 to help consolidate.
If you're really a mason G32, it's face palming time. Last-minute ninja vote on D2, no posts during N3, and now a single late post on D3. If you put up a gg post, that's 25% increase in the number of times you've posted during the game...
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So I guess it's covered, but I'd also add that when you turned Hassy down, without remembering your original description of your role, I figured you might be lying. Easy way to make yourself less of a target, since you're less of a threat to mafia if they know who you've masoned and that you won't be adding any others.
Especially given your early statement and G32's fakeclaim, I don't read anything from anyobody thinking you could add extras.
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On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote: I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3.
On June 02 2012 10:31 Manason wrote: ##Vote Kitaman
I will post a case later.
That's quite a bit of skyrim.
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wbg's protection N1 was definitely from jailing, don't remember N2 specifically. So if blues stayed on the same targets each night, with supersoft dead he was vulnerable.
Gonna start the game day with the breakfast of champions, a vote for kita.
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Went to go looking for something but quote, but you're right. I hadn't spoken up on that. However, I started off yesterday the same way. You had my vote until G32 came back and posted.+ Show Spoiler +On June 03 2012 23:49 austinmcc wrote: Going to put my vote on kita at the moment. Happy to switch it later if needed. Despite nobody coming forward and thinking Gambit is town, nobody (except Kita) has really come forward and said that about kita either.
It's not a big preference on my part, but I don't want to swing everything to Gambit too early. All/most of our very low volume posters have popped in and voted Gambit, which makes me want to sit on the other side at this point.
I did disagree with VE's case on you. Perhaps it's me being new, but I'm not a big fan of meta-based cases. Going to assume it's more difficult to play different from one's meta than I imagine, but for now I'd prefer a case made off of in-game actions. Part 1 of VE's case was pure meta, Part 2 was based on certain aspects of your interaction with Toad's candidacy and the possibility of him being lyncher. So I wasn't going to vote for you off of VE's case, because (1) I had scummier reads and (2) didn't find VE's case in particular compelling.
However, VE isn't the only player to have spoken up, to some extent, I suppose I'm sheeping on this one. Prob posted a case that felt more compelling than VE's, particularly in the way he expanded upon the Toad/lyncher interaction and followed it further into the game. Furthermore, it just doesn't look great in general when townies keep dying with you as one of their main scum reads. While you can say that's just mafia setting you up for a mislynch, you've been a serious lynch candidate for days now and so it's not like they've been aiming shots to make you look scummy, you looked scummy to a lot of the thread before the shots went out.
As far as voting for you over my top suspects from earlier - i put out a list of 7 filters that I read. Not everyone in the game, and it wasn't supposed to be all my thoughts, just some filters I'd freshly read. Haven't been contributing as much as I'd like, so I put those out there. You weren't included because you were being actively discussed for the last few days, and I was digging through some other filters. I do still believe manason and papapanda look scummy, but part of manason's looking scummy is the way he brought you and zealos up as scummy with no cases.
So yeah, this vote does look more out of left field than I thought it would. I voted for you yesterday but didn't push that. I disagreed with VE's case, but not because I found you particularly towny, only because the case on you didn't convince me more than the case on him.
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On June 05 2012 10:08 Probulous wrote: OK austin, what are your thoughts on Hyaach and papapanda?
Hyaach Town read. Not the strongest one I've got, but I can give a couple reasons.
On May 31 2012 01:18 Hyaach wrote: Basing lynch due to game balance is not a compelling case at all. Again, this may be one of those bits where newer players see things differently, but I agreed with this statement. + Show Spoiler +Speculation about whether Greymist stacked scum with vets, who would qualify as vet/some middle tier/new, and the like didn't quite do it for me. It wasn't a topic of discussion for long, but my thoughts were in line with Hyaach's. I'd rather stick with in-game actions than speculate about how Greymist organized his games. You guys have a legitimate argument that you want vets scum-side, but deliberately stacking things as such would become predictable and then every game would feature a D1 listing vets and how many vets are probably scum, etc. It's kind of in the same vein as trying to read modkills/replacements for scum, where not modkilling someone might mean they're scum and host doesn't want to wreck the game. If you made full-on policies about these things, those discussions would ruin any value in stacking the scum team or doctoring modkills/replacements. /minirantoff To the extent that this statement shows he wants to go off of in-game actions, I like that, but it's not anything major.
He's then...I won't pull up quotes. Wiggles wiggles wiggles. While I guess mayor is most important on D1 and late game where the double vote can swing things, the constant questioning of wiggles is something I'm alright with.
I dislike the way he played the D2 lynch, but don't necessarily read it as scummy.On June 02 2012 00:13 Hyaach wrote: no a no lynch on a VT is better than a no-lynch. a lynch on a claimed VIG is not better than a no-lynch. We had the other option of lynching Zealos and getting VE to shoot someone.
so ur reasoning is a lazy town whose not trying. scum mb? While I don't agree with the statement that lynching a VT is better than a no-lynch, this post is too messy for me to read. He's okay with mislynching a VT, but doesn't want to mislynch a vig (even though the vig can't ever really be confirmed). And even though I disagreed strongly with the leave VE alive for a night plan (potentially requires watcher claiming, never certain of VE's alignment, etc.), I disagreed mainly with the logic.
Frankly, there's not much else there. It's a very weak town read from those posts. Most of my town read on him is because of below
Papapanda Scummy, but again, there's not a boatload to work with. Here's my bit on him last night - + Show Spoiler +On June 02 2012 06:14 austinmcc wrote:papapanda papapanda has similar intereactions with zealos, but using hyaach is an alternative. Again, doesn't seem to focus on why zealos is/isn't scummy, but just wondering why you wouldn't go with hyaach isntead. What also stuck out to me was - + Show Spoiler +On June 01 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote: Gambit didn't respond yet, if he ninjas today he is dead tomorrow.
. Again, not much on its own, but if you find him scummy, he brings up the possibility of a G32 ninja vote before G32 does so, which can hint at that being the scum plan for G32 to vote without having to be here and respond to questions. The similar interaction bit was referencing Ange, who I was suspicious of because of the way he was always pushing G32 over zealos. Now that both of them have flipped scum (and Ange town), that one's no longer valid. But papa was playing the same game with zealos and hyaach. See:On May 30 2012 11:29 papapanda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 10:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 30 2012 10:45 Kenpachi wrote:On May 30 2012 10:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 30 2012 10:42 Kenpachi wrote: and fuck. Forumite started the zealos wagon. No point in trying to read a dead player :l It's important to note that Forumite was trying to find and kill scum (presuming Zim is scum...I can't think of a reason why he wouldn't be.) yes but i figured Zealos is an easy as hell target to bandwagon on so i thought if we backtrack to those who rolled the wagon, we can find tracks of scum Oh I see what you meant - see that's why ever-so-slightly larger posts are sometimes necessary Ken. LOL Whattt? I haven't mentioned zealos at all yet. Looking at zealos, cwave, phagga, and gambit, I would go with the gambit lynch. cwave and phagga are heading down the modkill road, and zealos at least is posting, meaning at least we have a chance to spot it if he is mafia. Even so, hyaach is still the most suspicious from the lurkers. As I mentioned before, the first thing he ask is if he had to vote, remember, this game is extended majority vote, meaning every single vote is needed. His post count is similar to zealos but I found his recent post hard to understand and noncontributing to any discussion, Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:32 Hyaach wrote: Because mz was posting alot and looking relatively townish. Why would mafia tried to hit him? why not snipe a vet whose lurking? Mafia knows his not on their team so his enemy 3rd party or not Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:36 Hyaach wrote: And because of all the shitstorm last night about who is important who isnt whose doing a wrong lynch and random ppl calling for nonsensical vig shots targettinf a vet whose doesnt have a target paint on hisbhead is all more likely? In my phone in school My question, is zealos a better lynch candidate than hyaach?PS: Grush has starsenses. On May 31 2012 07:01 papapanda wrote: Weird that people are still picking the likes of Phagga or Zealous over Hyaach as lynch target, if based on posted material...
His original suspicion of Hyaach is here, + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2012 06:45 papapanda wrote: Of all the filter I read so far, Hyaach catches my attention. He has played a few games before, surely he know being neutral is a telltale sign of mafia. Hyaach wanted to abstain from today's vote, and as of now, his vote is still on Meepak. In you're last post you mention MrWiggles as a good candidate, are you going to act on that?
It is important to vote for someone who is planing to lynch a person who you believe to be scum. But even more important to vote for someone who you think is town. Remember, the first lynch is just a part of the President's power, the two votes counts for the rest of the game, which is much more important than the first day. So for myself, after reading ET's post, I will put my vote on MrWiggles. I think he has shown his ability to analyse others slightly better than ET. I also want to say I also support ET and thanks for your analysis. . It's very early on, and never really gets fleshed out with anything else despite papapanda always presenting him as his personal lurker lynch (Granted, there not much to go on from hyaach). This interaction accounts for most of my town read on Hyaach, because to the extent that I think papapanda is scummy and was just easing things away from Zealos, he was always easing them towards Hyaach without too much reasoning (To be fair, I thought Hyaach's no-vote thought and eventual vote were bad plays, but not scummy).
Beyond that, there's some general lurkiness/low contribution going on. I award 0 town points for voting G32, because practically everyone did.
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On June 05 2012 11:09 Probulous wrote:However I agree with WBG's point about this Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 13:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 04 2012 12:57 papapanda wrote: Kenpachi, reading through your filter again I saw that you fos me. Can you post some things I can try to defend against if you still find me scummy? I'll be out the rest of tonight, but I will respond as soon as I can. based on this post I'm going to assume you are scum and that kenpachi is town. Thanks for making it that easy. He avoids everyone else, doesn't bother to find the case, doesn't respond to any other case and doesn't bother pushing his own scum reads. Oh and he responds to Kenpachi who is another lurker instead of the others who are actually participating in the thread. It just rings scum, scum, scum. Anyone else have an idea about the panda man? People seem to have him labelled as mafia so it would be nice to have something fleshy to look at. Does one post a case make? Oops, that quote didn't make it into my thoughts, but I saw it. I guess I didn't share the same thoughts about Hyaach from the start, so I'm less likely to look at him as a proper non-Zealos target. And it feels like too much is resting on that early FoS, which never really got supported by any further reasoning. So either papapanda is legitimately suspicious or Hyaach's lack of a robust filter helps papapanda by not forcing him to give further thoughts.
About to head to bed, so not going to get into Kita's claim at the moment. Will save for tomorrow.
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Still not 100%, but I'm leaning towards the medic should counterclaim side of things (regardless of breadcrumbs). While VE and kita both made "convenient" claims, the medic claim is much easier to verify. We know a save happened. We know there's a medic. To the extent there are any mindgames here, it comes down to which medic claim we believe, and we know we'll find scum within the claimants.
HOWEVER, I think we could use more time to work this out and I'd rather not see an immediate counterclaim. The thread will get messy if we're actively discussing the medic situation and other targets, but to some extent, this is bothering me.On June 05 2012 11:15 kitaman27 wrote: With so few people willing to listen to anything I have to say, it seems unlikely that I will be argue myself out of a lynch today. Even if I am able, it will be a waste of discussion and I'd rather have a full day to go after actual scum targets than defend myself.
I am a Medic. Did you really think that this wouldn't become a major topic of discussion and would dominate at least a good chunk of the day cycle? I'm having a tough time believing that you thought there wouldn't be any discussion. Assuming you make good on your promise to come back and post thoughts on a few players, I'm interested in seeing them.
Manason and papapanda still looking kind of scummy, and hassybaby and maju both looking kind of mute.
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Are scum required to expend all KP each night?
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Toad, if you're adding one player each night, could you please give us the name of another living player within your mason circle?
We've had two blue claims so far today, and scum has yet to shoot at you or MZ, so I don't think there's a large risk in outing another member of the circle.
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On June 06 2012 03:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 02:37 austinmcc wrote: Toad, if you're adding one player each night, could you please give us the name of another living player within your mason circle?
We've had two blue claims so far today, and scum has yet to shoot at you or MZ, so I don't think there's a large risk in outing another member of the circle. WBG is dead, sorry Can't tell you more I guess
On June 06 2012 03:46 Toadesstern wrote: although it should be fairly obvious I see 2-3 potential 3rd members. I'd like that third member to confirm that they are masoned.
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I won't give a bullshit response, although I had one typed out as well. It ensures that you and MZ aren't scumbuddies. The reason I asked whether scum could hold a KP is to determine whether MZ is 100% confirmed or not.
MZ is confirmed because he took a shot N1 and nobody else claimed. If scum can hold shots, he's not 100% confirmed. Without a third member to confirm you're a mason, you can fakeclaim, he can claim to have been shot and been masoned, and you can both skate through the rest of the game as confirmed townies by holding back a single KP on one night. Pretty good bargain. I want to be absolutely sure as we push into late game that you guys are actually both confirmed.
Now is the perfect time to do so, because if you're worried about someone in the circle getting shot: (1) Mafia hasn't fired on you despite knowing you were a mason since D1, (2) Mafia hasn't fired on MZ since knowing he was masoned D2, (3) we have a claimed medic and cop which make juicier targets than a third member of the circle. Therefore, the downside in the third member outing himself is extremely low.
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And yes, it's a little paranoid. But I want to be 100% sure that you guys are confirmed, and this will ensure that either you are or, on the chance you're both scummy, you have to out a third member of the four remaining mafia.
I ask now because we've had the claims and because you stated that you were leaning town on me, so while this is a bit out of left field, I think it's a legitimate request.
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On June 06 2012 04:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 04:38 austinmcc wrote: I won't give a bullshit response, although I had one typed out as well. It ensures that you and MZ aren't scumbuddies. The reason I asked whether scum could hold a KP is to determine whether MZ is 100% confirmed or not.
MZ is confirmed because he took a shot N1 and nobody else claimed. If scum can hold shots, he's not 100% confirmed. Without a third member to confirm you're a mason, you can fakeclaim, he can claim to have been shot and been masoned, and you can both skate through the rest of the game as confirmed townies by holding back a single KP on one night. Pretty good bargain. I want to be absolutely sure as we push into late game that you guys are actually both confirmed.
Now is the perfect time to do so, because if you're worried about someone in the circle getting shot: (1) Mafia hasn't fired on you despite knowing you were a mason since D1, (2) Mafia hasn't fired on MZ since knowing he was masoned D2, (3) we have a claimed medic and cop which make juicier targets than a third member of the circle. Therefore, the downside in the third member outing himself is extremely low. Do you think Kita is scum as well? Last night, I was leaning scum on Kita.+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote: wbg's protection N1 was definitely from jailing, don't remember N2 specifically. So if blues stayed on the same targets each night, with supersoft dead he was vulnerable.
Gonna start the game day with the breakfast of champions, a vote for kita. On June 05 2012 10:02 austinmcc wrote:Went to go looking for something but quote, but you're right. I hadn't spoken up on that. However, I started off yesterday the same way. You had my vote until G32 came back and posted. + Show Spoiler +On June 03 2012 23:49 austinmcc wrote: Going to put my vote on kita at the moment. Happy to switch it later if needed. Despite nobody coming forward and thinking Gambit is town, nobody (except Kita) has really come forward and said that about kita either.
It's not a big preference on my part, but I don't want to swing everything to Gambit too early. All/most of our very low volume posters have popped in and voted Gambit, which makes me want to sit on the other side at this point.
I did disagree with VE's case on you. Perhaps it's me being new, but I'm not a big fan of meta-based cases. Going to assume it's more difficult to play different from one's meta than I imagine, but for now I'd prefer a case made off of in-game actions. Part 1 of VE's case was pure meta, Part 2 was based on certain aspects of your interaction with Toad's candidacy and the possibility of him being lyncher. So I wasn't going to vote for you off of VE's case, because (1) I had scummier reads and (2) didn't find VE's case in particular compelling. However, VE isn't the only player to have spoken up, to some extent, I suppose I'm sheeping on this one. Prob posted a case that felt more compelling than VE's, particularly in the way he expanded upon the Toad/lyncher interaction and followed it further into the game. Furthermore, it just doesn't look great in general when townies keep dying with you as one of their main scum reads. While you can say that's just mafia setting you up for a mislynch, you've been a serious lynch candidate for days now and so it's not like they've been aiming shots to make you look scummy, you looked scummy to a lot of the thread before the shots went out. As far as voting for you over my top suspects from earlier - i put out a list of 7 filters that I read. Not everyone in the game, and it wasn't supposed to be all my thoughts, just some filters I'd freshly read. Haven't been contributing as much as I'd like, so I put those out there. You weren't included because you were being actively discussed for the last few days, and I was digging through some other filters. I do still believe manason and papapanda look scummy, but part of manason's looking scummy is the way he brought you and zealos up as scummy with no cases. So yeah, this vote does look more out of left field than I thought it would. I voted for you yesterday but didn't push that. I disagreed with VE's case, but not because I found you particularly towny, only because the case on you didn't convince me more than the case on him.
With the claim, it's a little more murky. This is a major turning point in the game though, whether Kita is actually the medic or no, and I want to make sure I've got as much information as possible to decide where I come down on that.
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On June 06 2012 04:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: well you're just going to have to take this one on faith then austin because toad doesn't need to reveal it. That's why I'm asking. He doesn't need to, but I don't see much of a downside.
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