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This will be my first TL mafia (but not my first mafia) | ||
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Acrofales, the fact that you and Mattchew were on opposing teams the last three games is exactly the definition of coincidence, which makes your accusation completely random. Also it seems that the only person you are not suspicious of is Nova, my other candidate for scum. Nova, why would you think it's a good idea to kill a veteran d1 unless you somehow knew he wasn't on your team? | ||
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On May 22 2012 10:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Attn: Zelblade, Acid and MouldyJeb It has come to my attention that you signed up for a game only to post one time and then disappear for half a day. In keeping with my meta, I'm in favor of lynching lurkers if no scummy candidate presents himself, so consider this my final warning. I will not hesitate to vote to have you lynched today, as all three of you have exhibited at least tertiary interest in this game since it has started and all three of you are now absent. I find this to be far scummier than Nova's posting (who my vote is on now). I'm here (just on a different time zone). The questions I wanted to ask have been asked and answered by other people. I want to read the thread one more time before voting. | ||
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On May 22 2012 10:24 EchelonTee wrote: Of those three I would most support Acid dying, just chiming in . Why? Because of all the lurkers, I'm the only one who posted content? Did I finger one of your pals in my suspicions? | ||
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##Vote marvellosity | ||
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On May 22 2012 18:05 zelblade wrote: Acid so what do you think of nova now? Why is marvellosity buddying with nova a scummy thing to do? My opinion of Nova hasn't changed. Sure, being aggressive is good but it just seems like he's trying too hard to get a bandwagon started on anybody. | ||
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On May 22 2012 19:01 marvellosity wrote: Apparently you can't read. Well done you. Oh, really ? If I may : 1. Voting without reasoning : On May 22 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Mattchew I just can't bear it. On May 22 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote: To be clear: this is absolutely a policy lynch. 2. Buddying with Nova : On May 22 2012 02:46 marvellosity wrote: I don't think I'd agree to a Nova lynch unless something very particular came up. Atm he's playing to his not-very-useful town meta rather than his post-extensively scum meta On May 22 2012 07:27 marvellosity wrote: Guys. Look at Nova's filter in LIV where he was also town (and where I won on your behalf, Katina dearest). Very similar. Not convinced by his lynch at all. 3. So I did actually look and this is just an outright lie. Nova's play was literally the opposite of what he is doing now : in that game he was against random votes, against bandwagoning, he played less aggressively and more analytically. I think you're scum. I think Nova_Terra is your scumbuddy and I'm fine lynching either one of you today, although I'd prefer you because there's a slightly higher chance you're not vanilla. | ||
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On May 22 2012 21:08 marvellosity wrote: How is it different from LIV? Quite a few posts but generally not a lot of content, no? For now I'm going to answer 'who I'm suspicious of' as 'who I'd like to be dead'. So other than Matt, Nova, Acid, and to a lesser extent Jeb. Excellent reversal ! Since when do you want Nova dead ? Also, why do you want me dead ? Wait, I think I know. It starts with an O and ends in an MGUS. Keep digging. | ||
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On May 22 2012 21:26 Zealos wrote: I'm pretty sure the 2nd part is the reasoning, its a policy lynch against an annoying posting style that isn't helping town. That's your reasoning. He didn't explain his. " I'll lynch you cause I don't like you !" that's not a reasoning. | ||
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On May 22 2012 23:15 Tunkeg wrote: Questions @acid How do you think WBG, VE and Katina have played thus far? They are all in on a NT case, what do you read from this? Nothing much to say. They make a good case against NT, but I'm tempted to agree with VE when he says that it feels too easy. | ||
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At the start of the day, a couple players made a case against NT, and you (like Acrofales before you, whom you are replacing) jumped in to defend him, twice. As soon as I called you on buddying with NT, you included him in a list of people you'd like to see dead, and justified that with something about him being a useless townie. Now, to quote your own words : On May 22 2012 02:46 marvellosity wrote: I don't think I'd agree to a Nova lynch unless something very particular came up. Atm he's playing to his not-very-useful town meta rather than his post-extensively scum meta What is the particular something that came up? What did NT do exactly that prompted you to change your opinion to this : On May 22 2012 21:30 marvellosity wrote: Why? Because useless townies are useless and make easy lynch bait. Ideally I'd want someone to shoot Nova tonight. You're using the same argument in both cases, but resulting in different conclusions, and that swift reversal came mere minutes after being accused of buddying. Seems to me like you're trying to distance yourself from NT now that prospects are looking grim. If that's not the case and you truly had an epiphany, please quote the exact post from NT that made you change your mind. | ||
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On May 23 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote: "What is worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing?" —Wolfhunter's riddle In a strange twist of fate, one of the most annoying creatures in the multiverse was brought to the place where it could cause the most damage. | ||
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On May 23 2012 03:10 HiroPro wrote: Acid: You say that you suspect marvel because he initially defended N_T, and then tried to distance himself. But that would would mean that you think they are both mafia. So then, why is it that you feel that the case on N_T is "too easy", but Marvel is a good candidate to lynch? It's just a feeling. I feel it's too easy to lynch NT today. However, my case against marvellosity rests on facts and if we do lynch him, and he is indeed scum, then I think we need to lynch NT. | ||
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On May 23 2012 07:12 marvellosity wrote: Don't be silly dear, I'm not important enough to shoot Not town enough to shoot. | ||
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On May 23 2012 07:16 EchelonTee wrote: yeah acid is scum lol Yeah it's totally scummy to use reason and logic to expose someone's lies. Also typical scum behavior to NOT jump on the bandwagon that kills a townie. Wait, what? You want to find scum, look hard at those who voted for Jeb without a solid reasoning, including those who might have voted for him and then switched at the last minute once the lynch was secured. | ||
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On May 23 2012 07:32 EchelonTee wrote: Acid I think ur scummy because 1. lurking for much of the beginning of the day. average scum trait you don't go for anyone until things have started chugging a long. in a mini like this, scum are going to hide around a lot. they probably goign to have a few active members, but the way you've been lurking, not pushing things or being provocative (save for your one single minded focus) seems like u want to avoid the spotlight, like ur disinterested in extensive scumhunting. Wrong. I voiced my suspicions very early in the game day, and then it was actual night IRL where I live, so I went to sleep. 2. using faulty logic to push someone, crutched upon by a few points of decent logic. common scum trait ur initial reason for being susp. of marv was "voting w/o logic and buddying with nova" wasn't good at all and felt fake, just cuz u needed to vote. first point isn't true, second one isn't inherently scummy. ur later point of marv's change of opinion on NT is a decent point, but it looks like ur just trying to build and build and build a rolling case instead of actually try and re-examine ur case. it's prety common for scum to pick a candidate to tunnel for, preferrably one that isn't immediately going to be lycnhed, It makes you look constructive, but you don't take the blame for townie lynches if the lynch doesn't go through Wrong again. At this point I don't know if you genuilely suck at reading or if you're just trolling me. Marvellosity did vote without logic, as did Acrofales before him - remember they are the same role. Voting mattchew because he speaks in MTG flavor text is retarded, and the combination of that PLUS his buddying with Nova, who was giving off pretty scummy vibes, is why I voted for him. Again, if you had bothered to actually read my posts, you would have known that. 3. didn't mention jeb at all. scum don't want to talk about mislynches as much as possible when there's a townie mislynch, scum often are one of the random single voters on other people (citation: Ver's Mafia guide). Most townies want to consoliidate a strong lynch so will focus on a few candidates. Scum would rather avoid the town bandwagons. The only townies who stay off the main candidates are especially stubborn players (Toad, VE), and I don't get that vibe from you Seriously, this is either trolling or plain idiocy, what you're talking about only applies to games where town needs a majority vote in order to secure a lynch. | ||
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On May 23 2012 08:01 EchelonTee wrote: why do people always say "if you actually read my posts blah blah blah"? we're all over the 5th grade right? it's easy as fuck to read things. it's really hilarious how your response is "no ur wrong read my posts" and OMFG can't you people REASON??????? look this is what you wrote you said "marv voting without reasoning". he HAD REASONING; you explained it right there in your posts! is it shitty reasoning, sure! but you fcking outright lied when you said "marv voted without reasoning" Yeah, you're really helping your case there. You want to nitpick words, fine. It was voting without reasoning, since his vote wasn't based on reason, but on an emotional reaction to something he found annoying. why is everyone so derp? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH And why behold you the speck that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? - some dude from the bible I think | ||
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On May 23 2012 20:17 froggynoddy wrote: Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting. I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T. @VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no? @Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf). I would still like him to explain how he came about his reversal, but I'm not sure I'll be voting him again at the start of Day 2. First I want to read the thread again, specifically how the Jeb lynch happened, who pointed fingers and who followed, that sort of thing. | ||
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On May 23 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote: EBWOP: if you seriously think I'd push something like that as mafia, you're out of your mind. Sure you would. Typical scum. Act all scummy and then act indignant when called out. "Oh come on if I was scum I would never be so obvious about it! Pschaw!" | ||
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On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote: You bore me. Acid who would you kill today? Zelblade. He's posted nothing of value and his vote on Jeb was just a follower vote. He also promised us content but has failed to deliver. Katina lurks too much. And finally, I think there's at least one scum between you and VE. Haven't made up my mind which one yet. | ||
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On May 24 2012 14:51 Navillus wrote: Acid~ My biggest scum-read right now is in fact Acid. Looking through his posts the first thing that jumps out is simply lurking. He has been lurking this entire game, with few posts, even fewer posts of any significant length by him, and even fewer posts in which he is directly addressing or responding to others, something scum love as they get to look like they're making content without ever calling anyone out or putting themselves in a situation where they might get directly called out. Now why would you go and and lie like this? I have been active, and most of my posts have been addressing and responding to others. Also, if you look at the times at which I was inactive, you will notice a disturbing trend. My "lurking" happens between the hours of 2AM and 10AM, CET. I'm definitely pushing a scum agenda here, soon ALL OF YOU will live on French time and you will have nothing to eat but baguettes and fromage. In a similar vein what content he has had has been the same in almost every single post, him tunneling acro/marvel. This tunneling began at the start of the game and hasn't abated, this is very big as it means that he gets to look like he's giving reads the whole time while he's really just repeating the same thing, this thing that also hasn't been the main topic of discussion so he never would end up in the spotlight. The biggest issue in this whole tunneling spree is that then at the end of day one the vote is between NT and Mouldy, Acid had expressed that he thought that NT and Marvel were scumbuddies yet when it's clear that a marvel lynch isn't going to happen and when NT is on the table he doesn't even attempt to move the vote. No he sits content to leave his vote somewhere where it can't do ANYTHING, washing him of any possible guilt for a mislynch of either candidate. You're right, my tunneling hasn't abated at all, that's why when I was asked "who do you want to kill today?", I answered Zelblade, because obviously accusing Zelblade is the best way to get marvellosity lynched. I also haven't said one word about marvellosity since he finally answered my challenge. A more clever man would have deduced that his answer satisfied me for the time being. At the end of day one, I thought that my marvellosity vote would gain traction for a while, starting with VE. I also stated a couple times that I thought marvellosity was a better lynch than NT. By the time it was clear that it wasn't going to happen, Jeb had like five more votes than NT, so yeah I could've moved my vote around for nothing. Instead I stuck to my guns and pressured marvellosity, which led to him posting more and started an interesting discussion. And looking at his most recent post and one of the only posts of his with any reads that aren't marv/NT (maybe the ONLY post) he goes for literally the easiest reads possible, a couple of lurkers who he gives one line on about them lurking and ONE of WBG/VE because it would be too much work to even decide between that. I haven't decided yet because I don't have enough information. You're free to throw ignorant accusations into the wind if you like, I'd rather wait until I can make a logical decision. Finally as if this all wasn't enough, It most certainly is not. after looking through Acid's stuff and concluding much of this, I also looked at ET's filter as promised and found something very interesting. Our resident just-killed townie's largest (Okay maybe second largest) post was an accusation of the one and only Acid. Now this post was a night-time accusation so it didn't draw much attention (if it had I suspect ET would be alive right now) which meant that if say, he had been correct and accused scum they would feel okay shooting him for it as no one really noticed the accusation. Yeah his post didn't draw much attention. Could've been because it was a night post. Could've been because I wasted no time ripping it apart for the pile of bullshit it was. Another instance of me "not responding" to other players, I guess. So yeah, after such an exchange, I felt so pressured that I directed my scumbuddies to shoot the guy in the night, hoping that somehow no one would notice the accusation (I mean, it's not like there's a permanent record of who says what, right?) and I could ride off into the sunset with a piña colada and no one would be none the wiser. I mean look at why ET was killed, Yes, let's. he seemed town and was playing well as far as I can tell and those very probably contributed to his death Two posts. One where he called out acrofales, which was good, and one where he accused me, which wasn't so much. And then he voted Jeb. He wasn't killed because he was a good townie. but vets are viewed very highly in these games, so much that it's surprising that both of them are alive even by day two, it's strange that the scum didn't shoot one of the two people who as scumhunters would presumably be their biggest threats, It's so sad, because you start out with a good train of thought. Let's cut off your inane conclusion and just ponder the bolded part for a while. This makes it clear to me that at least one of them is scum. Mafia up against two veteran townies would definitely have killed one of them. In a balanced situation, then they have to choose. They could go for the vet, but VE claimed town and he also said he didn't expect to live through the night, a not so subtle Medic call. So they can risk wasting a night kill to try and hit a vet, or they can go for an unexpected target and hope they hit a special role. Of course, if both the vets are mafia then it's a no-brainer. and one thing that could very much have influenced this choice is if someone else who was playing well also hit on a scum with a good case. Bolded the funny parts. Thus - ##Vote Acid~ QED This piece of fiction fails to present us with a compelling main character, the story structure is incoherent and full of plot holes, and the anticlimactic finale doesn't deliver on what seemed at first glance to be a promising premise. D- | ||
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On May 24 2012 17:44 wherebugsgo wrote: Is he gone? <peeks around a corner> Anyway if Acid never responds, we kill him. To make that threat more real, let's turn up the heat. ##vote Acid~ Nova, do you support a lynch of any of Acid, zealos, or Tunkeg? Fine, I'll respond. I don't think I would lynch Tunkeg today. There's nothing about his play that seems scummy to me. Zealos, that might happen if you could make a real case against him. | ||
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On May 24 2012 18:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I already explained why my vote is on Acid. If the threat isn't real then what's the point of trying to consolidate town? If a player is not willing to even answer a simple question then the easiest way to deal with them is to kill them. Oh, the irony. | ||
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Not what I meant. I'll go and read yours real quick. | ||
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After reading both your case and Zealos's filter, I wouldn't say your case is fake, but it's a little on the weak side. I would much rather get rid of either Zelblade or Katina. Of the two, I think Zelblade is more dangerous. He hasn't posted a single analysis or scumread and was content with bandwagoning Mouldy Jeb. ##vote zelblade | ||
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On May 25 2012 01:44 marvellosity wrote: Instead of talking cryptically, why not just say exactly what you mean? I think it's pretty clear what he means : there are 3 scumbags who won't vote for their pal and a bunch of clueless townies who can't tell one end of their asshole from the other. | ||
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On May 25 2012 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote: Marvellosity you just have to read my posts. I'm not giving you nothing and you know that. I'm trying to lynch Zealos just as much as you are, but as long as other players are defending him indirectly by voting other players, but not calling him town, we can't get him killed. Think about it, everyone calls him suspicious but their votes end up elsewhere. VE at this point is just being annoying and confrontational. I don't particularly care right now why he keeps calling me scum, since he's obviously wrong, but if today's lynch does not fall on scum then I'll take the responsibility for the lynch. You can lynch me after and town can lose. I said I'd be OK for a Zealos lynch. I'm willing to change my vote from zelblade to Zealos if you can tell me why you think zelblade isn't scum. | ||
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On May 25 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote: Whether or not Zealos is scum at this point has absolutely nothing to do with zelblade's alignment and therefore I'm obligated to do anything for you in terms of showing you that zelblade is town or whatever. Either you think Zealos is scum or not. Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with. And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either 1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck) 2. makes a stronger case for another lynch As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either. | ||
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On May 25 2012 03:28 wherebugsgo wrote: You realize that in order to kill someone in this game, you have to convince them of your correctness? In other words if you want us to kill zelblade over zealos then you should convince us to kill him instead of telling us to convince you to not kill zelblade. It's called burden of proof; the burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. If you make the assertion that zelblade is scum, then YOU should be the one to explain it. No one is obligated to show you why zelblade is innocent or whatever. As town I don't even know if zelblade is innocent. Anyway, the case on Zealos has already been put forth; read Marvellosity's filter. If you don't want to do that then I don't see how you expect to win, as reading is mandatory to do almost anything else in a game of mafia. You call the zealos case not strong. What parts of it are weak? I have made my case against zelblade. It's pretty fucking straightforward and I made it in direct reply to a question you asked me, so I would assume you've read it. Practice what you preach. Zelblade lurked for most of the game, never tried to scumhunt, never shared reads or offered anything of value to the town in any way whatsoever. His sole contribution to the thread so far has been to vote for Jeb. Did you read his case for Jeb? Here it is, in all its glory : On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote: I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally. Now, this a call to ALL TOWNIES : read zelblade's filter. ALL OF IT. It won't take long, there's barely a page and that alone tells you more than you need to know. | ||
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On May 25 2012 04:20 marvellosity wrote: I have 3 of my scumteam that I'm reasonably confident on. Now for the 4th. Need Katina, Acid, and zelblade to either start posting or start posting relevantly. Are you high? | ||
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On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote: Hey, if you think the case against Zealos isn't strong, than why. You don't actually mention anything wrong with the case. All you do is keep saying "i'm ok with him. but the case isn't strong" over and over. How to explain this... The case against Zealos is made up of bits and pieces. A quote here, a quote there, someone pointed out inconsistencies and so on, but there is no big thing. If you take every single point in a vacuum, none of them scream "SCUM!" And, looking at the big picture, it's hard to see the scum agenda that should normally be revealed in a situation like this. No one has been able to answer a very simple question that I shouldn't even have to ask. "If Zealos is scum, what is he trying to achieve by playing this way? How is this playstyle going to lead the mafia to a victory?" Now, if you looks at zelblade's posting, sure there's only one thing wrong. But it's a big thing. It's a five by itself. And if we were to ask the same questions of zelblade, answers are easily found. As a scum he has everything to gain by playing this way, especially if he has a special power to use at night. | ||
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On May 25 2012 04:45 Navillus wrote: Could we get a vote-count up in here? But what interested me is I think there is definitely a stronger case to be made on Acid than on Zealos or Zelblade, (haven't looked into him yet, give me a little time for that) he made one response, and now no one is voting or pressuring him. So I'd like to ask, Mattchew and Marvel what are your reads on Acid right now? So, you haven't looked into me, but you still managed to find a stronger case on me than on both scums the town is looking at? Care to share how exactly you arrived at that conclusion? Oh no, wait, you already told us in the mother of all wall of texts, filled with letters yet devoid of content. I responded to that post, and you in turn did not respond. You come back and try again like nothing happened, but you bring nothing new to the table. Also, marvel litterally just posted his read on me. It's right there, man. Anyway... What is the purpose of your post? If you're town and still think I'm scum, you should be making a case against me, starting by picking apart my response to your original accusation. Except you can't do that, because you know your original accusation was bullshit. It didn't gain traction because townies saw it for the bullshit it was and scum went to find an easier target. | ||
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On May 25 2012 05:13 wherebugsgo wrote: This is true in almost every single case where you find scum. Unless scum are bad they don't leave massive trails that just lead back to them. Zealos is not a bad scum player in the least and if it were that easy to find scum we would've killed one yesterday. You're simply asserting here that it's hard to see the scum agenda. Scum don't like making cases because they already have information about who is town and who is not. Town will at the very least try to scumhunt. Zealos made no real attempt at that on day 1. He admitted himself he thought 13 players were town and one town but less so. That's just a massive cop out from calling anyone scum, a huge shirking of responsibility. It's a sign he doesn't know who to call out for fear of being caught. Finally, what playstyle? It's not a simple question because the underlying assumptions aren't even properly stated. How can you define a player's playstyle so simply? We don't even know what you're asking. Going inactive and not scumhunting are about as antitown as you can get. What I'm curious about is why you seem to assert that zelblade's inactivity is so much more incriminating of him than zealos. You haven't really justified anything you've said, just asserted it. You're right, I wasn't actually trying to convince anyone here, just explaining my train of thought. Now keep in mind this is my first *TL* mafia and I don't know any of you. I don't know anyone's meta so my analysis is based entirely on what goes on in this thread and general knowledge about mafia games. Not knowing Zealos, to me he could be a confused or mediocre town player just as much as he could be scum. Zelblade, however, I feel he should be carrying a sign that says "please oh please god don't look at me I just want to live through this day so I can use my power at night". | ||
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On May 25 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote: I find this entire post deeply inconsistent. I have pointed out several times the scummy motivations for doing what Zealos did. Your justification on zelblade is so weak. To the bold: so zelblade has some special power, and the best way to utilise it is... wait... it's coming.... I know! to say he's going to post reads and then not! That's sure to make him survive so he can use his powers! -.- Yeah, it's called stalling and so far it's working. He lived through day 1, and unless something happens it seems like he'll live through day 2. Look at it this way, let's assume that the Z's are both scum. Do you think they're both vanilla? If not, which one of them is more likely to have a special role? | ||
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On May 25 2012 05:36 Navillus wrote: To clarify I was referring to Zelblade when I said "haven't looked into him yet". I think I saw Marvel's read earlier looking at that... now. Okay I see it, he says he probably shouldn't have included you, that's not a very complete explanation of his thoughts on you, I'm not saying I think he thinks you're town, I'm saying I want to know all of what he thinks on you. I didn't respond to your response first because as I think I pointed out somewhere it's rarely useful to get into an argument with the person you're accusing on whether they're scum, you're obviously not going to get them to concede anything and frankly I think VE/WBG and Hiro/Zealos had that ground covered, we didn't need another two players going back and forth on each other. The purpose of this post isn't to make a case on you it's to look at other people and what they say on you, hence the question at the end, I'm curious as to whether the reason your case didn't gain much traction is because you're scum or because better townie's looked and don't think you're scum. (honestly I was leaning to the second one, that's why I asked two people who I think are town, if I thought it was more likely you being scum I would have asked my scum reads because that puts them in an awkward position if you are scum) I said you were a stronger read than the other two in part because I'm slow to give up my reads (probably a problem with my play) and in part because if I had phrased it a lot less confidently it would have had even less of an impact. I'm explaining this all now because I admit I did like your response and it pushed you away from a scum read for me and after making that post I actually looked over you again (I noticed what Marvel said a little bit after making that post actually) and between your response and posts since I felt less scummy on you. So if you're town then Acid I have a question for you, is your biggest scumread still Zelblade? Where would you place Zealos right now? Also what do you think of Froggy? I have to say I'm kinda torn between the Z's. I'm leaning hard on scum for Zelblade, and let's say 60-40 scum for Zealos after WBG and marvel's replies (up from 50-50). I'm gonna go read up on froggy and I'll get back to you on that. | ||
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On May 25 2012 06:06 wherebugsgo wrote: what exactly has zelblade done (other than lurking) that has said that? Just out of curiosity It's more like what he hasn't done. Specifically he hasn't questioned, challenged, or pressured anyone. He agreed with other people when they made such actions, but he originated nothing. He avoided confrontation and if you look at his posting, there is nothing there to work with, nothing to challenge, nothing to build upon. He votes on Jeb, because : On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote: I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally. No commitment, overly careful play. OK, so maybe the power thing is stretching it, but he definitely wants to slip under the radar. | ||
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On May 25 2012 07:24 marvellosity wrote: That doesn't really address of what I see as a pretty big inconsistency on his thought process on zelblade/zealos though Me thinky zelblade scum. Me thinky zealos maybe scum. Me thinky zealos maybe bad town. On a more serious note, it seems like the zelblade vote is losing traction and I don't want a repeat of day one fiasco, so ##Unvote ##Vote: Zealos | ||
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On May 25 2012 23:53 Nova_Terra wrote: Marvel thats the exact scumteam that i was thinking about being possible You two agreeing with each other gain, it's like déjà vu. Zealos is probably getting lynched today. If he flips town, I want you both dead. | ||
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On May 26 2012 03:23 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count - Roughly 3 Hours and 30 minutes until the deadline Acid~ (0): Nova_Terra (0) Tunkeg (1): wherebugsgo WhereBugsGo (0): HiroPro (4): Zealos, Zelblade (0): Acid~, Katina (0): Zealos (7): HiroPro, Navillus, Not Voted (0): At the current vote count, Zealos will be lynched. I have my current vote on Zealos. | ||
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## Unvote Zealos ## Vote HiroPro | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:16 wherebugsgo wrote: We should kill Acid as well cause he kept trying to find any excuse possible to get away from the zealos lynch. Killing me for making a bad read will not help the town. Let's vig Katina and then we can lynch one of you or VE. I made my case on why at least one of you is scum, I'll dig it up and repost it in the morning if need be. | ||
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On May 26 2012 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote: you can't just lynch one of us, you have to decide which one of us is scum if you actually believe that. So which one is it? Why can't we both be scum? Or town? Since there should be four scum, you need a read from the rest of the player pool too, right? Who would that be? You could both be scum. If both of you are alive by morning, then there will be 0,01% chance in my mind that you are both town. I'm having a hard time reading either of you because you've both been acting like little schoolyard bitches towards each other. If you are both scum, then bravo. Well played. If you are both town, you should both be shot for incompetence. After reading your filter, I'm leaning towards you being town. You pushed pretty hard for Zealos before his vote gained traction, there was really no reason to do that as scum. For the same reason I changed my mind on marvellosity, don't think he is scum. So, Katina and VE and... I'm tempted to say HiroPro, because it would make sense for Zealos to make that gamble once he knew he was going to be lynched (if they are both scum, whichever one we lynch somehow absolves the other?) In the unlikely event where both you and VE are town, then I'd want to look closer at Nova. I'm enclined to think that Tunkeg is just a bad townie, but I thought that about Zealos and I was wrong, so I don't know... | ||
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On May 26 2012 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Most of the thread does - it's why I can't get a damn wagon rolling XD If you really think WBG is scum, why do you think he posted this : On May 25 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote: Do any of you ever stop to think why Zealos may be impervious to a wagon? Stop to think of why he may not be getting as many votes as we want him to. Stop and reread his posts. At the time, there was no real traction on the Zealos case, so it's not bussing his teammate. | ||
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On May 26 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch? I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. | ||
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On May 26 2012 19:09 Tunkeg wrote: Zealos, froggynoddy, Mattchew, Tunkeg, VisceraEyes, Acid~ These are the players that voted for HiroPro after the DT check. Zealos, Mattchew, Tunkeg, Acid~ are the players who didn't change their vote. I am certain there is at least one scum among the 5 that isn't Zealos, who either voted and switched or voted and stayed. VE I am scratching, same with froggynoddy (even if I am sold on him being town yet). This leaves Mattchew and acid.On Mattchew I have said what I think, at least about what occured before the lynch, I have also said what I thought of his flavor posting and his return to normal posting. Acid I think is a good option, he was pushing the counterwagon on Zelblade together with Mattchew. He was softdefending Zealos in a manner that makes me suspicious. He ended up voting Zealos before the claim, but I think the reason for voting is strange: Add into the mix that Acid left his vote on marvellous day 1, when in the end the lynch was between Jeb and NT, Acids secound biggest scumread. I can not see why a townie wouldn't switch to his secound biggest scumread in a case like this. Overall I would suggest that the Vig, if the vig is shooting tonight, shoots into the pool that voted HiroPro, and more specifically Mattchew or Acid. These are also the two I think a day 3 lynch should be between if a vig don't shoot. Also if either of these flips scum Zelblade should be exonerated, as he was the counterwagon,a nd I doubt scum would push another scum for a counterwagon. Yes, I didn't consolidate day1, and that was a mistake, which is exactly why I *did* consolidate day 2. Maybe my bad play put the fear in me, but in the end there was a 50-50 on both Hiro and Zealos and I did not want to risk lynching a blue role. Of course, you also voted for Hiro after the check but somehow you're above suspicion. I want the vig to shoot Katina, but I wouldn't shed any tears on your cold body. | ||
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On May 26 2012 09:33 Acid~ wrote: I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. Ok, here goes. I'm not surprised Zealos flipped scum. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had flipped town either. On top of that, while WBG did change his vote when Zealos claimed DT, he also put the heat on him in the first place and helped in consolidating the vote along with marvellosity. For this reason, I believe this removes them both from the list of potential scum. Mattchew's reasoning is similar to mine - when a 50-50 case exists between two targets, it seems logical to aim for the one that did not blue claim. Now, as it turns out, we were wrong (or were we? this doesn't remove suspicion from HiroPro at all), but that does not mean that the reasoning was faulty. Tunkeg's post about Mattchew is like all of Tunkeg's posts so far : inutile. Unlike some of you, I don't have a high level of faith in humanity so based on his posting so far in the game, my read is that Tunkeg does not even try to understand half of what he reads. As an aside. I've had a town read on matt since the beginning, for one simple reason. I love MTG and it's the main reason why I signed up for this game. I enjoyed the shit out of his flavor posts and I loved reading into them, even though I didn't know what cards the flavor text was from most of the time. It was just elegant. And I understood what he meant just fine. If I had been a veteran of TL mafia, or a respected/known poster on TL or something like that, I would probably have tried to post like that as well. Unless I was scum. That's the thing. As scum I would NOT ever do something like this. It's not nearly disruptive enough to be a viable scum strategy except if the townies are all riding the shortbus. And when the thread started going to shit because of other disruptive elements, he stopped the flavor posting. I heard some silly arguments like "it's such an obvious town move that it has to be a scum move", but I tend to disregard mindgames like that because the bottom line is: his behavior helped town more than scum so far. | ||
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On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote: I don't like this '50-50 case'. This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote. I don't get in which world this is 50-50 I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum. | ||
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On May 26 2012 22:09 Tunkeg wrote: Also Acid you are contradicting yourself big time if you say you enjoyed the shit out of Mattchews posting: I'll admit I have a hard time reading these flavor posts as they have some ambiguity to them (hence why I hated them in the first place). But the way I interpret this is that you think Mattchew is being annoying with his flavor posting. Doesn't surprise me. You're much too litteral in your reading. By posting in the same manner as him, I wanted to express support on a personal level. However, I also wanted to point out that his posting could end up being detrimental to town if it pissed off the other townies. | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote: Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case... No, it shows why *you* think it wasn't the case. Am I still allowed to form my own opinions? | ||
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On May 26 2012 21:45 zelblade wrote: Acid same question: Why didnt you doubt the "DT claim" at all? Also who is your strongest scumread? Still me? And tone down on the insults please, no need to start another shitstorm here. It's not that I didn't doubt it. I was more a Pascal's wager kind of thing. Since there was, in my mind, a 50-50 chance of either of them being scum, in the event where I'm right, both outcomes are the same : -we lynch mafia If I'm wrong, one of two things happen : -we lynch Hiro and he is town, we lose a townie. -we lynch Zealos and he is town, we lose a detective. I didn't go for the "strongest read" because I didn't have a strongest read. So I went with the choice that I deemed had the most chance of being favorable to town. You're not my strongest read anymore. You've stopped lurking and are participating in the discussion. I can't say the same for Katina, however. If both WBG and VE live through the night, I will support a VE lynch. | ||
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On May 26 2012 22:56 marvellosity wrote: Tunkeg, I think wbg is town and I think VE is scum. | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:07 Tunkeg wrote: My read is that Acid does not even try to understand half of what he reads. See what I did here Acid? Now reply to: I see no value in getting into a pissing contest with you. Arguing about why you are useless or why I am useless is not going to root out any scum. | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:31 Tunkeg wrote: Hmm, so you wanted to show your support for him by replying to a post where he have basicly called you out for sheeping and for being scum (a wolf). He is calling you a sheep in wolfclothes (or at least thats how I read it, and it makes sense in that perspective). No I think you understood what he meant by it, and replied as you did to discredit him, not to show your appreciation. I interpreted it as him attacking the case against NT. Not attacking my "sheeping" of the case, since 1. I say in the next sentence that it feels too easy and 2. I never "sheeped" on NT | ||
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On May 26 2012 23:39 Tunkeg wrote: I don't want a pissingcontest either, but I want people to explain it when they are undermining me like that. I can't argue with a statement that says: "You are useless", and thats why it is such a cheap way of going at me. If you give your arguements to why I am useless (still no need to use that expression as it just there to devalue everything I say) people can make up their mind whether you are right or wrong, and I can argue with you if I disagree with your arguements. Arguing about whether someone is useless or not brings nothing to the table, I agree, so why use the word? But me calling you out for using this wording will, as I won't let people just throw unreasonable accusations out there, which they can't be held accountable for. I called you useless because someone else asked for my opinion about you. I wasn't talking to you and I'm not calling you scum, so I don't need to make a case. I *will* ignore all further posts from you on this issue. I'm not here to teach you how to play, especially since I'm far from stellar myself. If you want to discuss someone's scumminess, then we'll talk. | ||
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