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On July 10 2012 08:48 Chezinu wrote: Hey Guys, I'm Chezinu! Your /in is my /in, Master. | ||
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TNKTED BUS ME BUS ME TNKTED BUS ME | ||
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On July 16 2012 20:50 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Kurumi Thanks, I appreciate it. | ||
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Fellow colleagues, I think I found out something interesting. | ||
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On July 16 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote: So you're proposing a plan you admit has a lower chance of lynching mafia than analysis. Fabulous. In the last post, dear colleague you've shown the fear of death. Hiding something? | ||
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On July 16 2012 22:31 sandroba wrote: to add something to this very good and thought out out case, who the fuck looks at their previous post and slides in a comment about it's shortness. You guess correctly: mafia. So there was sandroba who was diligent and made cases, where is he? | ||
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On July 16 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: note to self: sandroba confirmed scum. It's ok, we can deal with that later. How content are you that sandro is scum? | ||
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On July 16 2012 22:10 HiroPro wrote: If a manager dies, will we receive any info that they got on their minions (other than their names)? What the heck is this quesiton | ||
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On July 17 2012 00:00 Palmar wrote: I hate you guys. Why? I am up for a random lynch. Sounds solid to me. I'm just wondering why GGQ who was 30 minutes before the game starting did not post after it has started. | ||
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On July 17 2012 00:03 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote Seems you're going to play somewhat sensibly, Kurumi Wouldn't bet on it. | ||
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On July 17 2012 00:06 HiroPro wrote: That's why I want the random lynch to be right before the half-cycle Cycle is day-night. Half cycle is either day or night. They probably can communicate right now. Mind you, that's only 3 messages. CEO-High Rank-Minion and High Rank-Minion. | ||
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On July 17 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so far we have pseudo-scumhunting by most, RL by Palmar (:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) and Chezinu is a mad detective. Syllo wants to lynch Prob, marvel misses me and QbZ is sinani? Did I miss anything gravely important before I post like...opinions? Many veterans are missing. Interesting one is GGQ who was around 30 minutes before the start but has disappeared into thin air. Also, three votes on MZ are interesting. | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Hey Palmar, is marvellosity scum? Your active lurking is not entertaining, pawn. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:10 Katina wrote: Almost forgot ##Vote Palmar Now this is getting entertaining. More please? | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Palmar since you're here you and I are going to play a lighting round. Marvellosity Blazinghand Rastaban Supersoft Scum or town, go. Go home pawn. You're boring. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:36 sandroba wrote: Man I want to kill so many people right now. 1 lynch just doesn't seem enough this game. I understand, pawn. Winning is cool. But I want to win this game. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote: You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh. Interesting defence, pawn. Given that Katina is in no way in danger of a lynch... Noted. Oh wait, do I need that? | ||
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I'm the America and I am just launching a nuclear warhead on RebirthOfLegend. He's mafia. ##nuke RebirthOfLegend | ||
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On July 17 2012 03:25 GGQ wrote: My experience playing scum in two Sleeper Cell games tells me that this is the opposite of true. If you aren't burdened by knowledge of your teammates, it's much easier to come out strong on day 1. Why are you active lurking? | ||
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Ask yourself, pawn. | ||
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On July 17 2012 04:52 supersoft wrote: kurumi :----( Was there every any doubt? Of course, you might've thought I was bluffing. Pretty sure chaos is fun! I was too bored to keep up, so I said "Very well, let's make it fun!" and so I did. Don't worry, that's one of the high ranks or CEO himself/herself down. | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style: Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts? Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him. And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1. ##Vote: syllogism Why don't you do it yourself? | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:30 sandroba wrote: kurumi is scum 100%. LOL. Trust me on this one people. I KNOW HE IS SCUM. Go vote kurumi everyone. Am I third or fourth person you've called scum so far? Is there ANYTHING in your play looking like town? Your posts are mostly one-liners, attacks without any back-up and shouting names. Is being a pawn making you angry, or what? | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:35 sandroba wrote: How does that refute the fact that you are scum and I know it. =) I have the same feeling about you, interesting. The problem is, I am town and you are scum. | ||
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It's because I say people are actively lurking? Is this "kill the guy using a lot of mafia lingo" rule? Okay. I would like to know what's wrong with me that you think I am scum while I am just warhead bearing townie. While I know sandroba won't tell me anything useful (tunnel mode engaged) I hope we can talk. | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:39 Chezinu wrote: uh oh... mafia gonna shoot a nuke and then bus it? Mafia it is in your best interest to keep me alive... We've seen it done, didn't we Chez? Good times. | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:52 sandroba wrote: Town doesn't shoot a nuke randomly. Even if they do, kurumi is not town. I am not trolling people, I'm 100% positive of this. I am not town because what? You are funny little pawn. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this: Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others. His next post was this: So there ya go he just got owned. The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum. So you basically know 3 people that AREN'T SCUM AND YOU KEPT IT TO YOURSELF? Congratulations sandroba. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Even that Kurumi - like, why would you knowingly align yourself secretly with someone you suspect of being 3rd party.... I'm not buying it sir. <3 tho. Because it's a themed game. The interesting question is: why did not sandroba tell us that RoL can't be someone in the high ranks of scum? | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:20 Chezinu wrote: You should have know better than to try and nuke one of my minions.. but then again.. I was the first to put you in red.. What minions Chezinu, why the hell are you talking like you're CEO/High Ranked scum. Drop it man. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:22 wherebugsgo wrote: LOOL SANDRO Hahahahahaha I love you ##unvote ##vote Kurumi Have fun with me flipping town. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:22 Chezinu wrote: Why did you nuke RoL? Why of all the minions did you have to nuke him? Punishment for what he did as Poisoner in one of the games. That's one. Second, his absence. He loves doing that as scum. Third, because I thought Meapak would get lynched for playing perfectly to his scum meta and targetting you out of blue what he didn't do ever. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote: wbg is like confirmed town so whatever Like confirmed town... he did nothing. But okay, people will let you pass. For bullshit reasons like trapping a townie. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:26 gonzaw wrote: Oh he's the one that launched that nuke right? Yes I did. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote: Na he said he was town in bolded black instead of bolded green like he has been doing What the fuck? You were complaining I TROLLED in the last game and you're doing the same exact thing. Inconsistent much? | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:28 Chezinu wrote: Know I may die for my mad detective skills... But I have a secret weapon.. If you kill me mafia... You will die... I've played the mad detective before.. So fear my wrath and listen to what I have to say! You're Chezinu. You're a lone wolf. Whatever alignment you play you play it your way. You pick themes and stick to them. You like playing. You are interesting and unreadable to every side existing in the game. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote: How is that trolling? If he was mafia I don't see him coming into the game and guessing that town wasn't in green in the role PM but was in regular text. Are you admitting that you've cheated? FFS | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:32 layabout wrote: If sandroba can message people why did he reveal his power after outing a single player that he could have pushed without revealing his power? Because as I said all he has done this game was to play shouting game, one-liner game, non-meta game. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:33 HiroPro wrote: Why do you play this game if you want to do shit like this. I don't see any reason for a townie to listen to someone they think is third party. ##Unvote Blazinghand ##Vote Kurumi I thought about it and worst thing that could've happened to me would be a vigilante/bomber. I felt that following it wouldn't be that bad. Then a quick scan revealed that I was indeed right and it is someone who is NOT Mafia (lack of anyone else doing this) | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:39 HiroPro wrote: I think the more plausible explanation is that you thought it was a message from your director. If it was someone else would be using those words, right? At least two people. I am the only one. Think about it. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote: yeah mainly i'm just gonna lurk now if i don't get modkilled Foolishness is bad if he thinks i'm scum So you're going to play anti-town? Way to go man, way to go. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote: No I don't believe this. The directors can only "send orders to one minion every half cycle." CEO->Director->Minion. Three people. Even if it wasn't the CEO THERE SHOULD BE SECOND PERSON DOING THE SAME THING. Search it. Do it. I've gone through entire thread searching for those words. They appear single in couple of posts, but never double or triple. | ||
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At least I am not afraid to post and actually contribute to things. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:45 supersoft wrote: did i skip something or might sandroba still be scum hardcorebussing his minion? Sandroba's town it seems. At least from my perspective. | ||
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If I were mafia, when I got this message there should be someone crumbing those words earlier. I was the first person to do that. Why would a Director/CEO NOT do that? Meh. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote: Okay just one quick question: Could Kurumi have used his nuke without claiming he used it? I didn't see the "nuke post" saying "Kurumi launched a nuke" This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck (although I haven't read the thread so there may be something else to it >_> ) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=22#425 Here man, vote me. You seem like a guy actually contributing your time to this game so we need you. Those jubjubs will lynch everybody after this who opposed my "confirmed scum" lynch | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote: Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player? PSA: No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread! I said that already, his usage of this role is stupid. At least he did not invent Newspaper v2. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:07 sandroba wrote: Meh maybe I should have waited, but I think I'm pretty likely to get killed before getting another use anyway, seeing that the other players that could get shot instead of me are either trolling or not posting enough. Also the other advantage is now mafia will second guess every message they receive. Get over your huge ego man. There are people who are considered newbies who play a lot better in this game than us. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:21 risk.nuke wrote: It never hurt to state why you think what. He didn't claim scum, he got busted for something. Don't mix those up. What I did to be objective was I thought on what I might had believed if I had gotten that message and how I could had reacted. I probably wouldn't had thought it was a scum message. I might had believed there were some townie who could send a message to a random confirmed townie or something along those lines. I would had found it very unlikely that it was from a third party. YOU would find it very unlikely that it was from a third party. I found it the most reasonable. Townie messaging you to do things? Then you find out that NOBODY has done this? I thought about claiming getting this message but 1) I did not get confirmation from hosts I could talk about it 2) I was planning to reveal it close before the night starts/after it starts so we could work things out. I KNEW it wasn't a scum message because that's not how things work. Town doesn't get orders. Scum do. (I was even questioning my alignment) So I went with it. I figured out someone's doing some fun circle, probably Chez so I went with it. Did I think about it as a town message? Not at all. Town DOESN'T GET ORDERS. So I assumed it was third party. It will be so fun when I flip town~ | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol sandroba that was beautiful. ##Vote: Kurumi So let's talk about tomorrow. Content that you'll make it through the night. Being a vet, quite active I'd be scared... Well, you're a pawn, so no surprise. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:36 risk.nuke wrote: It's never fun when someone flips town. But I don't believe you. Well, we'll see who'll be laughing when I die. I just pointed out a scumslip on a scummy player, so go figure. I'll stick around, this might get better when modkills kick in. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote: Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote: ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. Why not the case on you? It sounds cool. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote: Lol @ Kurumi trying to insinuate that mafia know who town are in this setup (hint: they don't) The desperate flailings and failings of a caught scum, too funny. Also marv is a good scumhunter, an honorable scumhunter, let no harm befall him. Marv if you're town don't go afk, just ignore Kurumi. You can help me and sandro and whoever else is on town side. I'm still reading, but thoughts to come in a few hours after my lab. Barring Kurumi I'd like to hear who Katina, Palmar, sandro, and syllo would kill right now. Sandroba mafia MVP indeed. So since they're going to kill you Sandie, can you explain to us why RoL is not scum? | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:49 Blazinghand wrote: God, I don't care, just do something useful. Do you really think you're helping town by flapping around like this? Or are you just trying to waste people's time efficiently until nightfall? Do you honestly think people are going to reread ANYTHING I post? Do you honestly think people CARE? No, they don't. Sorry man, but there's not much I can do. I can only sit there and watch. | ||
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On July 17 2012 07:54 Blazinghand wrote: NO. NOT IF YOIU'RE TOWN IT'S NOT. Look Kurumi. Imagine, for a moment, that you're town, and not scum, which you clearly are. If you are town, you KNOW yuou're gonna flip town when you're lycnhed. So instead of dicking around, you should be MAKING CASES. and ANALYZING and helping. and stuff. That way, when you flip town, people are like "oh, hey he was town" and read your shit and hey, despite being mislynched you helped. Right now, you're doing none of that. You're just being either a) town who's so whiny he's stopped helping or b) scum who got caught and is butthurt and at this point it's clear that it's b) I thought about playing like that guy Blazinghand in one of mafia games where he posted videos pictures and stuff but I decided that it sucks. People rarely re-read things dead people have written. That's why our towns suck so much. We ignore what confirmed vets/good players have written. The last game had austin, who made couple of HUUUUUUUGE posts which were very good. Guess what. Buried. Forsaken. Nobody cared. About a guy, who DID good job. Why would they care about me? | ||
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On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: VIVA LA NUKES ##NUKE: Kurumi NUCLEAR FANTASY | ||
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On July 17 2012 09:46 Probulous wrote: ROFL OK then. SYLLOGISM IS SCUM I just think Kurumi is a safer lynch. If I had any hope of not getting killed I would try to bite back, but I have no hope. I am town and I swear it. | ||
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On July 17 2012 09:51 Chezinu wrote: *takes of mask* Q, you have nothing to be concerned about. I have been in RoL's position twice before. There is always hope. I reacted the same way he has reacted today. TNKED BUS ME BUS ME Okay, I got bussed. Night dawns. Night passes. Day starts. TNKTED BUS ME TNKTED BUS ME HELLO HEY BUS ME KING'D CHEZINU nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | ||
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I see no hard feelings haha Hope we'll have a chat after we blow up | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote: ##block: Chezinu I was hoping not to have to use this. I really hope you're trolling. You could've saved someone later. | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: well shit things got interesting. No one has commented on my rastaban case yet :/. Also Chez edited: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=30#589 He did not. Quote the post and you'll see it's a fake. | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote: whoa, why are you speaking FOR probulous? holy shit are you scum with Probulous? Probulous never mentioned that post, he hasn't replied to it yet. Also I already elaborated on why layabout is scum in the post before that. So, #1. You're talking for someone else #2. You're not reading the thread you really are scum! At least we're agreeing on that one. | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote: oh, that's simple. This setup has most scum not knowing who the other scum are. It's in their best interest to actually look for scum, similar to a game that has multiple scum factions. Otherwise they'll just die isolated. Thus, for a person like syllo to live, we force him to find other scum for us (we know that syllo is capable of this regardless of his alignment). As long as he is unwilling to do this we threaten him with death. If he is willing to help find other scum then he's either town or he's a scum who's helping us kill his own teammates. When we have more information on how he's done this (given time) we can more effectively determine his alignment. If, at any point, there are no players scummier than him, we just kill him. Or we can just kill him outright and not risk him having a power? | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:46 Probulous wrote: Given this what do you make of this It was posted right after Supersoft pointed out how BH looks green based on his rapid fire defense with some really out there logic. Hiropro and most of the people at that time thought BH was scum but Marv didn't join in the wagon. Given you think BH is town, does this alter your read on Marv? I am getting more of a townie feel from Marv since he has decided to end the lurking and actually started to contribute. Making posts does not mean he is contributing. See? | ||
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On July 17 2012 10:49 Probulous wrote: I know which is why I want VE's opinion. He still has his vote on you. Given the number of other targets for lynch it seems misplaced and I want his input. Kurumi, you sir are not helping. Why the fuck are you defending marvellosity? If making posts is equal to contributing, then I am greenest of all towns, only to be beaten by Bill Murray in the past. | ||
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Leave layabout. You can't draw any conclusions from those 2 posts besides that he seems to think about things that are happening instead of accepting everything. In my book, it is a town thing to do. I have no idea why WBG thinks he is scum. Probably many modkills incoming, but keep your eyes on BM and GGQ who either said nothing so far or made one post. | ||
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On July 17 2012 18:43 syllogism wrote: That doesn't confirm they are actually real though, because in some setups with nukes anyone can "launch" a nuke but only real ones are actually lethal. It seems like an amazing coincidence for the person kurumi nuked to also have nukes. Nuke me. Why are you scared of trying it out? | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:06 Palmar wrote: layabout Sloosh Sandroba Probulous HiroPro Foolishness VisceraEyes Bill Murray Gonzaw Meapak_Ziphh Supersoft austinmcc Wherebugsgo Katina syllogism GGQ Blazinghand Chezinu Kurumi rastaban Mattchew marvellosity risk.nuke Q-bert-Z RebirthofLegend Palmar Zealos Thank me later. fixed that for ya | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote: Well you are bad at mafia then So is sandroba, His stupidity and huge ego blinded him so much that he did nothing after his shitty ineffective gambit. Many people would listen to him, but he decided to hide. He also said something about RoL not being scum and never said what it was. If there is somebody who is bad at this game, it is sandroba. He is just sitting on his throne of gluttony, sloth and pride. He most likely is town, but he is playing terribly. I just don't understand this, why people decide to go afk instead of doing something.. Palmar, sandroba, layabout. It makes no sense to me. That's okay town, it's not like we aren't playing the game of luck, flailing around and trying to hit while relying on blues. Wake the fuck up and start doing things when you are able to. I think Meapak is scum. I must stop reading the thread because it just doesn't let me concentrate. And you filthy scum? Have fun killing yourselves. | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote: a day 1 correct lynch is great. There is no reason to risk that being fucked with. I have no idea if mafia can bus/heal/block this shot from rol or not. I say we take what we have. If kurumi is mafia, which he most likely is, we're ahead, no matter what else happens. The lynch is our safety net, you can't fuck with the lynch. I am not scum. But you're all set I am one. Nobody thought it through besides layabout and gonzaw. Thank you guys for playing this game as intended. | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:37 austinmcc wrote: Good lord you guys post too much. Read through, need to look closer at the syllo and BH stuff, but first I want to ask this: Does anyone actually know what sandroba's power is?I want sandroba to reveal his role. He seems sure that mafia is going to kill him so there's no harm in revealing. 1-shot? 1 message per half cycle? 1 message per cycle? Please reveal more about your actual power, sandroba, because it's not sitting well with me right now. More than anything else in the thread, I'm curious about this. He is not dying, you are. So shut the hell up and lurk. Now scram. | ||
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On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote: No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you? I want you to survive ffs | ||
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On July 18 2012 00:48 sandroba wrote: Sorry austinmcc, I refuse. Mafia has much more to gain from me claiming fully than town. Why exactly do you want to know? I could be mafia as chairman/president and kurumi my minion since he has a power. I could be minion with this power and used it in such manner, which makes it the same effectiveness as if I were town using it. Based on the information I presented to the thread is up to you to make a call on my alignment and kurumi's and I don't believe you need any extra information to make that call. @kurumi If somehow you are town it's going to be a very sad day for me, but you must realize the way you reacted to that msg makes you 99.9999% mafia and we have no option but to lynch/kill you. Also nuking a person who has not posted yet is not exactly the most townie thing to do and that's what made me suspicious in the first place. If somehow you are town you should look at yourself first before accusing me of playing badly. And you say I'm laying back and doing nothing when I'm one of the few arguing against the huge wagon on syllogism and actually trying to get BH lynched. @palmar I think the likelyhood that nukes are real is greater outweighs the safety of a day1 guaranteed scum lynch. If mafia has some ability to redirect nukes so be it, we lynch kurumi tomorrow and BH today instead of the contrary. Speaking of BH, have you checked how he reacted when he returned to the thread after being accused? Do you really buy that? How would you react after getting such message as town? | ||
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On July 18 2012 01:15 sandroba wrote: I would reveal I've been msg'ed in thread. Or if I could come to the conclusion the msg came from a townie I would think about what he is trying to accomplish and not follow the instructions. You would out a blue power for no reason? Well, I did not expect anything wise from you. Congratulations. | ||
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On July 18 2012 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote: @Bugs: Stop rolefishing. Between BH and layabout, I much prefer to lynch layabout and here's why: I believe in sandro's catch on Kurumi. Most of us do, right? So we're operating under the assumtion that scum minion A (Kurumi) has Power A (Nuclear Missile). By my estimation, a power that directly opposes a scum minion's power would, logically, be a town power. The scum team aren't in different factions, they're one BIG faction that don't know each other. So why in the dicks would scum minion B (BH) have scum power B (Anti-Missile) when Power B directly opposes Power A? It makes much more sense to logically assume that BH is town if we're accepting via behavioral analysis that Kurumi is scum. Am I crazy here? Layabout has been consistently useless and that's not like layabout. I'm good with a layabout lynch today. Not syllo. Sandro is right, the case on syllo is weak...and I would be just as opposed to a Foolish or WBG or Sandro lynch based on a weak case. I can't tell what I think of Palmar yet, as his scumplay has taken a SHARP upturn from what we're used to. I need to see more of his intentions before I make a decision about his alignment. ##Vote: layabout Don't lynch layabout, that's mindless. This guy posted TWO TIMES. Everything he has done was to express some doubt in what happened. He did not attack sandroba, he asked questions. STOP voting layabout. | ||
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On July 18 2012 02:22 austinmcc wrote: RoL has also launched a nuke at Kurumi. If Nuclear Missile is mafia-only, that means 2/6 minions had the nuclear missile power (assuming the top 3 don't have powers themselves). That seems like a stretch. I find it more likely that nukes were given to both town and mafia, or only town (although mafia probably has SOME kind of extra kp, given that they only get 1 per night?). So I think you're wrong in assuming that all nukes are mafia, although if both Kurumi and RoL flip mafia maybe so. If not all nukes are mafia, then mafia might have a minion that can block. Nukes: Me and RebirthOfLegend Anti-Nukes VisceraEyes Blazinghand No problem. | ||
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On July 18 2012 02:26 HiroPro wrote: Mind telling who you think is scum, austin? Stop fishing and scram. | ||
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On July 18 2012 03:16 supersoft wrote: what are you talking about? You want to lynch kurumi despite of the nuke? Did you even read the thread? I don't think so. Your "I must be over thinking things" means nothing more than: "lul guys i have no idea what is going on and i hope i will somehow catch something i can comment on without you guys noticing that i have no idea whatsoever. + I am a lazy bum" That's how Town in this game works. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:28 supersoft wrote: we are not lynching veterans today. Wait at least for night 1 and see who's left by then. Interesting, why? Then I shouldn't get lynched before I got nuked! | ||
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Lynch me. Please. This is the best thing you can do. Best case - RoL is scum. Worst case, I am town and so RoL is. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:52 austinmcc wrote: If he actually communicated with kurumi, then he's either a mafia higher-up or some sort of messaging power DOES exist. But he won't tell us exactly what, despite having an incredibly powerful role and thinking he's going to die. Why, as town, if you've got such a powerful role (and are apparently known for good scumhunting) and think you will die, would you not share that information with town? If kurumi flips red tonight, we don't actually know if he communicated or not. Even if you think that role is in the game and isn't game-breaking, do you think that sandroba would out himself, as that role, on D1, with a single red check? Does that make sense? Sandroba is stupid, that explains your first problem. Second, I flip town so we know that he did communicate with me. Also, sandroba is stupid, did you know that? Stupid but town sadly. Anyway, if there are any questions regarding that pm I can answer them. | ||
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Austin made a point: this power is crazy good. Why not catch MULTIPLE "scum" instead of one. This is a GREAT point. But it doesn't prove anything about sandroba's alignment, just about his game sense. Sandroba is town austin, so please try to lynch someone who you think is scum. Best course of action would be actually no-lynching. I am town, so that's one town dead. If RoL flips green, that's two greens down. If lynch fails... three towns dead. Terrible. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:57 wherebugsgo wrote: Also since I know you're not bad/neglectful as town, Austin; I come to the conclusion that you are mafia. Your argument is poor and it only serves to shed doubt on sandro from a "what he did" perspective. You've stretched inordinately far to make your argument. You make it on the grounds of plausibility first (to make sandro as scum seem possible) whereas if the argument were as clear as you insinuate it to be, you'd have pushed sandro based on scum motivation. Since you didn't choose that route I don't think your concern is something a townie would bring up. FUCK THIS GAME | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ITT Kurumi does no scumhunting, calls everyone stupid, and expects everyone to believe him when he says he's town. I DON'T FUCKING CARE IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT I CARE THAT PEOPLE WITH SOMETHING IN THEIR HEADS SURVIVE | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted. look at your fucking puny one-liners and then come back to me pawn I nuked RoL becaue I thought he deserved it in my opinion. That's all. His meta as scum lately was to "don't give a shit till something happens" and that's what he played. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:06 supersoft wrote: maybe Kurumi is some kind of jester. That would explain his desire to get lynched -_- last post from me regarding kurumi btw. he's not longer existing. I want town to no-lynch. We have a town dying already, maybe second too. We don't need third. Maybe luck will shine upon your flailing and you hit one of the scum (33% is a nice percentage) | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote: That's funny, because that very accurately describes his town meta too Kurumi. Try again, scum. His town meta? Very fucking funny. RoL is not the most active player nonetheless, but there's a difference between RoL not giving a fuck and being aggressive as fuck in couple of his huge posts. Actually, I am going to dig up some meta for you to read, pawn. | ||
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Now go to hell VE If you were town you'd do your research. But you aren't. Also, with this single post I've done more than you during entire game. Suck it. | ||
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Go read it. RoL town meta. He survived to the endgame. Fucking boss, isn't he? | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: That's a quasi-real-time game that activity is like, NECESSARY Kurumi. It's not comparable for meta analysis. Go away if all you're going to do is attempt to insult me because I can quite easily just tune you out my friend. Another Town RoL filter here. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read? He never said you're his strongest town read. | ||
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because he is smarter than you? jeez, thanks rol for nuking me, at least I'll blow up in style. | ||
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JUUUB JUUB! | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:50 HiroPro wrote: Where is Foolishness -_- Doing scummy stuff | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: When does the day end? 3:30 hours | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:33 Palmar wrote: bugs is not scum katina, you're insane. He does everything that scum do, what's wrong with this thought? | ||
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On July 18 2012 09:46 sandroba wrote: Too many scum this game. Must decide on one. Unless you can present a very good reason why gonzaw is not scum vote gonzaw. This game has 9 mafia right now and it's majority lynch so everyone needs to get behind the same lynch, not propose multiple ones. I'm sure a fair bit of you are right about your suspicions, but we must get behind one lynch to make sure it happens. I'm willing to let go of my suspects for now to get Gonzaw lynched and so must you. ##Vote Gonzaw Lol what about austin? Atrocious. | ||
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I actually have motivation to play again because my fate isn't sealed! Isn't that great? Anyway, scum are getting second batch of information this night, so take a quick eavesdropping course so we can get what's going on. I have no more nukes so my role is basically confirmed. If you really want to kill me that much - oh well. But for me it is a sign that it is not the end! Thank you Macedonia, I am going to vote a ten on you next Eurovision. | ||
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See you at the night post. | ||
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On July 19 2012 00:36 Mattchew wrote: its a roleplaying game, my wish would be only valid in the game You could wish for death of every scum though. | ||
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On July 19 2012 01:16 Blazinghand wrote: I agree with you-- I'm down for the horrible death of GGQ. I'm filled with consternation that we agree on something though. I really hope that someone shoots Kurumi tonight so we don't have to deal with him tomorrow. I would kill myself if I could, trust me. | ||
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On July 19 2012 02:29 sandroba wrote: I didn't send kurumi any msgs. That was from your superiors bro, you should follow that one. Well then we have another guy with your power then. Why he decided to message me is beyond me though. | ||
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On July 19 2012 03:08 sandroba wrote: @Kurumi Since you are town care to share the contents of your message with everyone? I'm supposed to "vote myself" when the day comes and use a price tag in one of my posts. and supposedly I shouldn't fear death for some reason. | ||
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I have no idea, just like I had no idea who messaged me in the first place. | ||
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Hey let's see what happens boringstones! | ||
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On July 19 2012 07:14 Blazinghand wrote: spoken just like a scum who really wants to fire his second nuke Do you honestly believe that there's a role with more than one nuke? It's an unblockable (only bussable) day KP. We're not playing Caller game. Man. | ||
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On July 19 2012 07:19 Bill Murray wrote: Oh, you're just now realizing I purposefully play the village idiot, and have a high I.Q.? Cute. Hopefully: You are Town. There are no enough vigis to shoot you for the sole purpose of shooting you. They didn't policy-lynch you Day 1 so maybe you'll be able to play a game! Yay! | ||
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On July 19 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Who cares? Vigis should shoot scum, and anyone that's confirmed scum should die immediately. This is a closed setup, speculating about whether the nuke use is one shot or not is pointless. We don't know and we can't know. Telling vigis to shoot elsewhere is a recipe for a townie getting shot. By the way your PM is fake and you should feel bad. It is an interesting gambit by the scum team for one of minions to claim getting pmed so he gets out of the radar. Burn. | ||
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So basically, you did nothing wrong. Thinking that I can have more than one nuke is stupid though. | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:10 Probulous wrote: Does anyone know when the deadline is? I thought it was an hour ago Still reading up on the night. VE, what were those details you found that you were going to post at 11? I think it should be 12 minutes ago. Wait what? | ||
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A little too much, right? | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:50 Chezinu wrote: Before I die, I will like for everyone to know that you should read my posts. In them contains the answer that you will want to seek. That is all. On July 16 2012 18:56 Chezinu wrote: 8. Bill Murray 3. Sandroba 6. Foolishness 7. VisceraEyes 10. Meapak_Ziphh 13. Wherebugsgo 16. GGQ 19. Kurumi I am blue. - Kurumi 20. rastaban 25. RebirthofLegend 26. Palmar 27. Mandalor 4. Probulous 15. syllogism 17. Blazinghand 1. layabout 2. EchelonTee 5. HiroPro 9. Gonzaw 11. Supersoft 12. austinmcc 14. Katina 21. Mattchew 22. marvellosity 23. risk.nuke 24. Q-bert-Z What I got so far.. ~ mad detective | ||
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On July 19 2012 03:11 sandroba wrote: And BTW scum I already messaged one of you. If the person I messaged doesn't reveal he got messaged until the end of this night I'm gonna know he/she is scum for sure. GL figuring it out, I put great effort into it =) So? | ||
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On July 19 2012 09:58 sandroba wrote: That was a trap too, that failed. I didn't msg anyone. Really? Why don't message your reads to your strongest town read? So when something bad happens they got your back? Ehh.. Well. Okay. | ||
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On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle. Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill. When did you learn this? Mattchew told us about it during the day. On July 19 2012 10:25 Probulous wrote: OK, we kill Kurumi. ##Vote: Kurumi If we can only kill one person at a time during both day and night then can we speed up this particular day? Everyone will be voting Kurumi and if the whole 48hrs is used people are just going to AFK. Don't shorten the day! That's stupid. We're at Day 2 and we need to get organized. | ||
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I did not believe I would survive Day 1. I did not believe I would survive Night 1. I believe I can survive Day 2. | ||
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On July 19 2012 14:36 Probulous wrote: Urgh. Whatever man. I would love to be able to just shutup and shoot but we can't. We can only kill one person per day. If I had my way, it would be the senior management, so I am focusing my scumhunting on senior players because I believe the hosts would not have put someone like Zealos (for example) as the CEO. Now is BM a senior player? I don't know, hence my question. To use your example, I am trying to take out the guy organising the killing, rather than the one reloading the guns. Bill Murray is considered a vet. Is he considered a mastermind of planning and evil? Not sure, wouldn't bet on it. I think that "newbie" could be a CEO. He is less important in the grand scheme of things. At the start Mafia is basically in two families: one led by Chairman of the Board and second by the President of Marketing, totaling 4 members. Their jobs is to make sure all three minions are coordinated enough so they can work together. CEO's job on the other hand is to make sure two families know each-others plans. He might be the guy behind everything, but it'd take a cycle to make sure both sides know what to do, while the other High Rank scum has no info and would need to do something himself anyway. The most important guys are the High Ranks. Without them, CEO and the minions are left alone. One can't communicate at all and others can't get orders. High Ranks are likely to be veteran players or players with good history. Veterans: RebirthOfLegend (dead, town) Foolishness GGQ Bill Murray Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu (eeeeee I am going to say town on this one) Good players: sandroba (alive but all looks like he is town) Palmar wherebugsgo (dead, town) syllogism probably VisceraEyes, not sure though. GGQ and Bill Murray are pretty much lurking to the max. Have you seen them post? Me neither. Foolishness is semi-active, but has free-time to spare. Meapak is active. Chezinu is active and "trolling". Palmar is semi-active soon to be lurkish. Syllogism is active. VisceraEyes is semi-active. Remember that two people claimed power to block nukes: VisceraEyes and Blazinghand. Blazinghand wanted to save me for some reason. I think that would be foolish, given that my situation was terrible. VisceraEyes action of defending Blazinghand from HiroPro's "nuke" is suspicious in my opinion. Why would he do that? He never voted BH, so that part of the story holds. Besides that, Bill Murray has voted and then unvoted me in the voting thread. I have no idea why, but I guess thanks. While I dislike Foolishness' case because it is centered on "BM is not all over the place, therefore scum" instead of things he dug up. This should be the most important: + Show Spoiler + On July 19 2012 12:31 Foolishness wrote: Bill Murray! But his best post this game is probably the one he made against me: The issue here isn't about what's being said but about when it was said. He is essentially just restating arguments that were already laid out in full by wherebugsgo, syllogism, and sandroba. Bill Murray came late to the game. Has he provided something to the town that's genuine and fresh? No. He waits to see what the town thinks before trying to weigh in a contribution. But that aside what other posts has Bill Murray made that are of interest this game? One of my favorites is: We all know apathy is a trait many mafia possess. Outside of that, it was interesting to watch him go from wanting to kill Chezinu without a second thought: To thinking he is town the next day: I think that Foolishness' case put too much emphasis on meta (which is always handy to have, so linking to filters of games where somebody played X is good) and not on the in-game behaviour itself. Now onto gonzaw's case on supersoft. When I was reading supersoft during this game, something wasn't okay... His style seemed different from what I've remembered. A lot of short posts, no value, "just dicking around" attitude. This set off red flags in my head but I never bothered to check that out. supersoft's filter from Bang Bang 2( (Vanilla Townie) supersoft's filter from LV (Jailer) First game isn't what I've been searching for. Well, Bang Bang 2 is an.. interesting setup. But look at the second filter: He is a blue and is not afraid to push his cases or make them. Overall active and helpful. This game, his posts rather lackluster. There is a lot more of one-liners, less of those medium-ones and there's only one big one. He also defends a lot of people this game.. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2012 04:28 supersoft wrote: we are not lynching veterans today. Wait at least for night 1 and see who's left by then. On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote: ah I corrected that list for you ;-) *stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle. + this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. On July 18 2012 08:08 supersoft wrote: okay time is ready for my interim findings: IV. With his following attemps (for example to accuse GGQ) to clear the blame fail in my eyes. Accusing GGQ is easy and the motiveless effort to try to justify the attack on sandroba with this dubious speculations about the immense power of sandrobas role doesn't turn me around. | ||
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On July 19 2012 12:29 GGQ wrote: ##vote Kurumi Baby, what the fuck can you post in this thread too? Like, play? | ||
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On July 19 2012 19:24 supersoft wrote: longest post of kurumi ever seen o_o It's not that important. That's just mish-mash of recent things or things important to point out. It has nothing on Radfield's Fall. So yeah, I'll try to get something more interesting and focused. | ||
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On July 19 2012 19:46 supersoft wrote: actually voterigger isnt very protown... stealing abilitys isnt either He is not Vote Rigger. He is Politician who steals day abilities together with the vote. So, Bill why did you choose those other guys? | ||
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On July 19 2012 19:56 Bill Murray wrote: why did mattchew try to nuke me? Ooooooooh. You know you'd die anyway right? Unless this game follows some funky mechanics. So basically you assumed that: a) Meapak has a day power. b) Meapak wouldn't use it properly. Why? | ||
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On July 19 2012 20:20 Bill Murray wrote: but, im proven to not be an executive, now im either 1) shitty low level/totem pole mafia 2) a blue/green (i consider it a green, because i have no real abilities other than 2 votes potentially) i added the potentially, because I can probably be roleblocked RebirthOfLegend (dead, town) Foolishness GGQ Bill Murray (Politician, can't be high rank) Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu (eeeeee I am going to say town on this one) Good players: sandroba (alive but all looks like he is town) Palmar wherebugsgo (dead, town) syllogism VisceraEyes Okay, so it looks like that if you're speaking the truth (which looks like it) | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote: meh layabout isn't scum. Also, do we really not have a vigilante? I still need to catch up since yesterday. I would've expected kurumi to be dead by now. Why layabout isn't scum? You haven't given many reasons for most of your reads so far. | ||
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I don't care about layabout. I care about guys who are long enough here to be granted important roles. Be it theorycrafting or whatever, if there's a game where roles will be rigged - this is it. Thus, I will only focus on vets/good players. I am only searching for 4 scum players. Veterans: RebirthOfLegend (dead, town) Foolishness - semi-active GGQ - inactive Bill Murray - inactive, claimed Politician Meapak_Ziphh - active Chezinu (eeeeee I am going to say town on this one) active-trolling Good players: sandroba (alive but all looks like he is town) active, claimed Guy-Who-Sends-Messages Palmar - semi-active wherebugsgo (dead, town) syllogism - active VisceraEyes - semi active (Katina?) - active Semi-active and inactive guys get a priority. Does that make sense for any of you guys? Should I pursue that kind of thing? I find it unlikely for Zealos to be for example, President of Marketing. We're on Day 2 and we've had a lot of interactions between those guys already. Most notable one are probably Katina versus Foolishness, Foolishness versus Bill Murray and Palmar versus Foolishness also Sandroba versus Foolishness? | ||
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GGQ I am very confident that GGQ is scum. His filter is not even one page long. (Actually 5 in-game posts.) "How can you say anything about the guy then, Kurumi?" Some of you have pointed out that Mafia's biggest objective is to survive. You can do it vanilla style - try to blend in during the discussion. You can do it lurker style - just avoid the fire and appear when everything's a little more silent... There's always false townie style, where you basically try to forget about your role and go with the flow while trying to keep in mind who's good target and who's not. As we've seen so far, being a lurker in this game is a GREAT option. We've been attacking each other like mad. If it wasn't an in-game attack, it was an attack on person her/himself. We've got a good player lurking like mad for no reason. It's already Day 2. If he was really occupied, guess what - he'd get replaced, just like two guys already, but he has no reason to ask for one. When I call him out that he is actively lurking(I am going to count how much it takes you to respond to this GGQ by the way) How does that answer sound to you? It's strict denial. He sees nothing wrong with his play. He feels no guilt. Why would he? There's a post by him in this quote too. He shares... a little of his knowledge... HE HAS PLAYED TWO DAMN SLEEPER CELL GAMES. Everything he has to tell us is that Mafia do whatever they please on Day 1. Solid advice here man. On July 17 2012 03:42 GGQ wrote: What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now. ##vote blazinghand He tries to shift focus off from Palmar. He is defending him telling people that Palmar is just like that. That's what Palmar should've probably said, right? Look at how this post ends "has never changed him before and it won't now" it's a decisive NO. And this BH vote. He did explain it, right? On July 18 2012 11:24 GGQ wrote: Why did I vote BH without mentioning even a single word about him? To see what would happen, of course! Most people's responses were good; just asking me why or making little noises of disgust. The only one who tried to construe it as scummy was Austin the squirming mafia. Why did I vote BH at all? Because he was being active and throwing his vote around without doing anything and seemed very concerned with his own activity, as if it was justifying something. I believed and still believe he is scum. I get very bad vibes from HiroPro. His posts all feel like he's just putting in his time. There's a bunch of other possible mafias in my mind, but another day another noose. The case on gonzaw feels weaker than the one on austin to me. I prefer to lynch BH or austinmcc, but I'll switch before deadline if it's necessary to get a lynch. TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? Sounds like someone doesn't freaking care about the lynch? Wait, he does care, look at the last line! Why would a person with no thread presence try to defend Palmar? GGQ has NEVER said anything about Palmar. Never EVER. If you were searching for a guy trying to survive - here you go. Why would you lurk as Town in this game? With 1KP, Mafia has little power to do anything to stop you from acting. Sure, they might have roleblockers, maybe politicians or anti-nukers, but it's the cases which should win games. Palmar and Bill Murray are playing similar style, where they mostly post one-liners or troll material. Palmar just now started pushing layabout hard (without proper case, just some meta to back it up). GGQ has a lot of knowledge. It is Day 2 and he hasn't shared ANY of it. He is denying us information. No cases made, no activity in the thread, NOTHING. He is trying for his survival. If he comes guns blazing at any point in the game... I think you'll get it that he's scum. I am voting GGQ. ##vote GGQ | ||
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On July 20 2012 06:19 Blazinghand wrote: That's a fair point. I suppose I should do a reread of GGQ to see what he's done this game, but if he's played the same way as Zealos, then he too must be scum. Re-reading GGQ is quick, given that he has 5 posts, 2 of which have are shorter than 3 lines | ||
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##nuke GGQ I'll do it again, damnit! | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:30 HiroPro wrote: I'd rather not assume this. But we'll see I guess. Because it is wrong. RoL had a nuke too - but it was a dud. 2 Nuke powers and 2 anti-nuke powers. Which one of the anti-nuke powers is soviet production though? | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:43 Zealos wrote: Someone is gonna have to spell it out to me, I really don't understand the benefit? Is it so I wouldn't be able to distinguish him from my supposed mafia bosses? On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this: Use "of course" "pretty sure" and "very well" in the same post so your peers can identify you as soon as you read this. Look for this combination starting tonight to identify the others. His next post was this: So there ya go he just got owned. The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P If anyone has any sort of day killing abilities they should shoot kurumi right now. If no one does so and some killing ability gets used during the day down the line that means that person is scum. Did you miss that post or what? | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:44 Zealos wrote: Well, I have been more than useless this game. /sigh/ Roleclaim. | ||
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Sandroba isn't scum... But presence of two messengers (I think?) makes me uneasy. Sandroba, I am going to ask you that question again. On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this: How did you know that Sandroba? | ||
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On July 20 2012 17:06 Chezinu wrote: Blaze.. you must protect me... my end is near... On July 20 2012 15:46 Chezinu wrote: ok, if you are going I'll let you know a secret... I'm a boss! Yeah pretty much it looks that Chezinu sent that message. | ||
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On July 20 2012 20:25 Palmar wrote: The CEO/Chairman/President can't have abilities, even I read that much of the OP I don't get what you're trying to say. I knew that from the very beginning. | ||
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On July 20 2012 21:40 Palmar wrote: what were you even asking about then? On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: VIVA LA NUKES ##NUKE: Kurumi Notice the timestamp. RoL had role, yes. That's why he couldn't be a high ranked scum. BUT, we've learnt that looooooong after sandroba's gambit. How sandroba knew that RoL had a power? | ||
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On July 20 2012 22:44 marvellosity wrote: what are you talking about? he was talking about you not RoL oh my Fuck thanks marv, I misread it for the first time... and did not correct myself ever since, SORRY | ||
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On July 20 2012 23:51 rastaban wrote: Kurumi, before you get lynched, How do you feel about Sandroba? He may have bussed you and Zealos, obviously you don't agree and if you flip town that can't be true. Do you think that he is mafia or town? what are your feelings on Zealos, i know earlier you said you couldn't read him, but has the interaction between him and sandroba changed anything? You think you are town for not sharing the PM, do you think Zealos had a legit reason for not sharing the PM? You said 4 of these are likely red, I marked the one you called out. Any others you want to add to that list? Veterans: RebirthOfLegend (dead, town) Foolishness GGQ Bill Murray Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu (eeeeee I am going to say town on this one) Good players: sandroba (alive but all looks like he is town) Palmar wherebugsgo (dead, town) syllogism probably VisceraEyes, not sure though. Is there a person sandroba should be close to confirmed, that's me. I can confirm he messaged me. The messages were identical. I did follow the order. As for the list, I will work on it some more soon. I'll look into Foolishness and VisceraEyes first, because as I said I am going to check those who have the smallest activity. | ||
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On July 21 2012 03:46 sandroba wrote: And by the way, 2 people messaged kurumi. Me on day1 and someone who is not chezinu on night 1 (chezinu messaged wbg). I lied about the second one. | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:26 syllogism wrote: I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town. If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote: Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. | ||
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Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message? | ||
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And I guess that's how it ends. I will re-read Palmar guaranteed and post anything I find. Maybe something interesting. Maybe not. Meh, my spirits aren't the best. Even after I die I hope you can pull it Town. We'll be 9v15 after this day, but hey.. That's just a slow start, isn't it? Flames will rise. Everything will be purified. Cleansed from scum. Really, that should happen. Pull it off guys. Please. I think that good times are about to come. Ground will shake. Truth will emerge! Careful though. It again turn into that hatred spiral.. And this post ends just like that. 13 1 9 7 1 13 | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:08 Blazinghand wrote: Kurumi, I am utterly confused. Just doing the same thing I did during my first game. Post numbers. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:17 syllogism wrote: He PMed people who were most likely to fall into a trap, i.e. minions and people who are, err, not careful His choice was based on his message.. High ranked guys would never fall for this. So basically sandroba never aimed for the easiest targets but for minions. CEO wasting the message for two lines of shitty text? Viscera's Zombie revenge on BC level of play here | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote: Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all: We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do. We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to. Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote: Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged? | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote: Who forged a PM? The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts. If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim. Person A does not receive a message. Person B claims to have messages him/her. Forges a PM, with whatever inside. Who would you kill first? The Sender or The Receiver? | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:56 austinmcc wrote: There's no issue of forgery with the PM you received. I had to go back and check your filter, you've never said Sandro didn't send you that message. It's not a real situation I know of, it's only theorycrafting damnit. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:58 HiroPro wrote: I'd do sender, but this pointless.... I don't get why you guys are so interested now but refused to talk about 1 for 1 stuff when i brought it up in the beginning. Buy yourself a cake. So now I know that we're ok if something funky happens. Thanks HiroPro. | ||
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Im going through your filter and there's a lot of mafia lists but you never seem to call anyone town... You are trying to control the chaos in the thread, but you simply don't have the presence or authority to do so. Why not pursue it harder? Why not pursue it more gently? Do you really care? Palmar's RL plan seems genuine and good. That's why I was up for it. His play looks a lot like bored town. He bring info on Q. He gives a lot of reads, some cases. I just got it how much it sucks that I am alive. It's Day 2 and scum are going to have enough intel to kill good people without them doing any justice. Damn it. You MUST preserve Town's reads. First Katina's post ticks me off in this moment: On July 17 2012 02:07 Katina wrote: Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen.. Like it's not the case like.. ALWAYS? Her reason to go against RL is pretty much none. Something's wrong here. Also compare this list: On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote: bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point: supersoft wherebugsgo Bill Murray sandroba syllogism risk.nuke gonzaw Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying. To this one: (I'll help) On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote: It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote. Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as: Mattchew Foolishness Palmar Blazinghand Syllogism Bill Murrary Even given the first list is based off votes on austin, I wonder why they're not in the second one... | ||
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On July 21 2012 08:35 Katina wrote: Okay, really? Anyone who says this guy shouldn't be our D3 lynch should seriously consider going back to some newbie games... He knows he's Mafia. He's only doing this because he's so obviously guilty. Are you always that aggressive, Katina? | ||
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On July 21 2012 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm inclined to agree, but I REALLY REALLY want to lynch Executives. This inter-office communication bullshit is gonna continue to be convoluted and confusing. Katina, do you think I'm insane for thinking sandroba is scum? If so, please tell me nicely. There MIGHT be Mafia Messenger. I am not sure if I approve of it, but it is a possibility. Town Messenger sounds like a great role.. It's quite obvious that our Protactinum team has thought of it - it can punish scum. | ||
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this is game i do not grudge | ||
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Jokes aside, sorry guys. What I said was true - I really thought it's some funky 3rd party mechanic is going on... Without 3rd party present >_> Nice job guys, this was a slaughter. | ||
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On August 02 2012 03:05 Q-bert-Z wrote: Should have tried to get people to think it was a police radio. Give like, one or two checks to clear one guy, or incriminate another. Give a red check on someone to bus them, then a green check on yourself to confirm yourself as town. Would have bee. Fairly believable because a DT check on someone who is highly suspected is totally normal, and it works out nicely because you bus someone who is already likely to die, and will certainly flip soon after your broadcast. His flip will confirm the legitimacy of the police radioish role. On May 23 2011 04:30 Ver wrote: Emergency! The Police Radio has sounded, revealing all of the results I sent to various detective roles last night! Person A: InfiniteStory- Same Person B: tnkted is mafia Person C: Gmarshal is Mafia 2 DT Person D: Incognito day 1 votelist: 1/5 Person E: KillerSOS day 2 votelist: 2/10 Woweewoweeewoweee | ||
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On August 02 2012 07:08 Probulous wrote: Qbertz. Who are you? Kavdragon or Radfield. Someone who dies quick. | ||
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On August 02 2012 17:45 wherebugsgo wrote: also btw kurumi, that play was beyond retarded. Both the nuke and the breadcrumbing that you are mafia. Both of them, really really stupid. Although I can't tell whether that was worse than what RoL did. It wasn't beyond retarded. I just forgot that 3rd parties were not present in the game. When I received the PM, I asked the hosts if I am a mole because honestly I had no idea what happened. I did not think about consequences, yes. I honestly thought it was some funny club I got into. I used my nuke right, sadly it did not hit scum. | ||
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On August 03 2012 00:41 Qatol wrote: Agreed. Kurumi, you used your nuke in absolutely the worst way possible. You literally had a random chance of hitting mafia, and on day 1, when the random chance is the lowest, no less. You could not have used your nuke MORE incorrectly, barring shooting a confirmed townie. 33% I could hit mafia. Considering that D1 ended in a no-lynch it wasn't that bad. EDIT: I couldn't quite hold on the nuke. | ||
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On August 03 2012 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Think of it this way Kurumi. If you hadn't shot RoL, then you could have used your nuke on one of the lynch candidates D1 when a no-lynch was imminent. OH GOSH AND THAT WOULD HAVE HIT SCUM 100% TOO! I was sleeping during this time. And I wouldn't be able to do it either, unless I went with current lynch candidate who was BH. | ||
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On August 03 2012 03:24 Qatol wrote: So don't claim it, and don't try to nuke anyone on day 1. I don't understand why you felt you had to nuke someone on day 1 anyways. With a 1 KP mafia, you should have felt relatively comfortable living until at least day 2. Qatol, I was dead. I should die Day 1. I was the lynch target and then slipped because RoL nuked me(dud nuked). There is nothing I could do different. | ||
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On August 03 2012 04:38 strongandbig wrote: but... you wouldn't have been the lynch target if you hadn't fakeclaimed scum lol. This is a separate issue from my nuke. Nobody cared about it anyway. | ||
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On August 03 2012 10:13 gonzaw wrote: You sent the nuke on RoL way before you were "already dead" (as in, before sandro made that PM thing with you). Yeah but nobody cared. The thing I am trying to explain is that I would send a nuke after sandro's claim anyway. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:07 Qatol wrote: Then just don't nuke at all? Firing off a nuke with a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum is still terrible, especially when it isn't a small list of players with a known number of mafia members on it. All you're doing then is 1) playing horribly enough to be a serious candidate for a day 1 lynch and 2) further punishing your side twice as often as not by killing another player of your alignment. Focus on making good posts so you are not lynched during day 1; don't just decide "oh I'm going to die, but I need to use my KP before I go!" when you have absolutely no idea about who would be a reasonable target for your kill. There was definitely plenty you could have done differently. There was one thing I could do differently: Go serious mode and analyze the PM I get, then decide that it is a trap and I should probably say something about it. I was dead after I forgot about lack of 3rd parties and decided to follow the PM. My play was irrelevant. I wasn't Day 1 lynch candidate because of the Nuke, I was Day 1 candidate because I followed what sandroba told me to do in PM. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:40 Qatol wrote: I think you're missing the point. Firing a nuke when you aren't pretty sure is always something you can do differently. You never should have fired that nuke in that position, even if it meant you were lynched without using the nuke at all. I followed my gut and it did not pay off. There's a better reason for not nuking that fast. If I did not nuke RoL, sandroba would never message me. BAM, I am no longer Day 1 lynch candidate and my nuke is here. Now this is something... This proves that the nuke was stupid. Oh well. | ||
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