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On July 06 2012 11:54 HiroPro wrote: You know you want to When it says "He can send orders to one of them every half cycle.", do you mean that an order can be sent once during day and than once during night, or 2 orders per day/night? -The CEO knows the Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing. He can send orders to one of them every half cycle. haha so many questions :-P But can the CEO send 1 order per half-cycle total or 2 orders, one to the marketing and one to the board chairman? | ||
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On July 11 2012 22:44 risk.nuke wrote: /in | ||
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(please prove me wrong about this) | ||
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On July 13 2012 23:53 Palmar wrote: /in lol i thought you were already in with some smurf. | ||
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On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup. Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in. Thoughts? wifom On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: People are being shy violets right now but I like what probulous has posted thus far. how can you like this nonsense? On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler + To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later. that was not the scummy part... therefor: On July 16 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote: Right I read through everything. I want to kill blazinghand. Smart people that disagree please post reasons! i tend to agree On July 16 2012 22:26 syllogism wrote: I actually somewhat agree with sandro on blazing. This post also feels artificial to me, that is to say he it doesn't read like he actually believes in what he is saying oh yes I love to play with people that actually make some sense! | ||
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On July 17 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so far we have pseudo-scumhunting by most, RL by Palmar (:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) and Chezinu is a mad detective. Syllo wants to lynch Prob, marvel misses me and QbZ is sinani? Did I miss anything gravely important before I post like...opinions? read my filter. everything important is in there. no shit. | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:27 Blazinghand wrote: Why not vote me then? Or are you waiting for permission from your overlords. hold your breath. he already voted for you. and he's right. Your recent wordstorm doesnt give me anything. That's not good. Can you do better? | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:30 Blazinghand wrote: Welp I don't really know what to say to that since even a scum sandroba wouldn't KNOW that MZ was scum at this point unless he's one of the controllers and MZ was a minion. It's preposterous that there'd be any other reason to vote me, so after MZ flips minion, we can lynch Sandroba and he'll flip manager. interesting. and what about syllo? | ||
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he agrees with sandroba and accuses you. Is he CEO then? | ||
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The problem with his logic is, that syllo and sandro didnt accuse him with bad reasoning, however from his point of view it might look so if he's green. Moreover i doubt that syllo/sandro wanted to defend MZ there. However MZ really does look scummy for reasons i already pointed out. | ||
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Facts: - he posted these thoughts sponaneously, in a conversation with me with almost no time to rethink this stuff. - therefor I believe he honestly posted his thoughts. - there is some logic behind that and he's following his thoughts up with votes. I don't agree with him, but I cannot deny that this might be a possible scenario. someone has to be manager and someone has to be CEO. - His assumption only makes any sense if he's town. As scum this assumptions would be a complete overkill. - therefor I don't think he's scum. | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:54 HiroPro wrote: You can call it whatever you want. But I see a case that I think is good. what exactly is your case about? What do you think of MZ? | ||
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On July 16 2012 23:07 supersoft wrote: wifom how can you like this nonsense? | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:07 sandroba wrote: I don't agree at all. It's blazinghand we are talking about here not kurumi (apologies in advance, but you area bit crazy when you roll town. In fact you look red this game =P) . That thought process is either from someone who doesn't know better or someone who is pretending to do so. As sensible town, which from his previous games I'm certain he is capable of being he would analyze it from the perspective that either syllo or me or whoever he is jumping on currrently could be town and mistaken about him and see if that makes sense based on what he posted and the reasons we gave to finding him scummy. This decent role play right now doesn't magically erase how he completely botched his previous one. Mh well i didn't look at previous games of this fellow. I have to think about it. | ||
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On July 17 2012 01:35 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler + Oh my lord, you're right. Syllo's managed to make several posts without actually comitting to anything at all. I take it all back, he's the scum here. He agrees with Sandro on me, but doesn't do anything about it. He would "like to lynch" probulous, but doesn't vote him. I've seen the light. ##unvote ##vote: syllogism die scum oh this makes his stuff look artificial... looks like he doesn't believe his own words. ahm okay. maybe i was wrong. BH can you link me like 2 recent towngames of you please? | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:18 sandroba wrote: No. I think in this game in particular, since most scum don't know each other, I think they will even more try to fit the "I must think and act like a townie" and try to represent that in thread, because it's the easier and most effective way to play day 1 with no information. What I'm seeing from BH is exactly that, a forceful and exaggerated caricature with no real purpose behind it, if not the one of looking townie. ah lol that post of mine belongs to my conversation with MZ :D On July 17 2012 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There's nothing to explain, it's like the second post in the game and it makes a lot of sense. If someone has been going tunnel city on someone else and then next day they completely ignore it I think it's worth lynching into. | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:17 Palmar wrote: I agree with BlazingHand let's kill syllogism. Nice catch supersoft. yeah well, someone has to be CEO, right? syllo would be a great choice from a hosts perspective lol however I prefer to lynch MZ right now tbh... :-/ | ||
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On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote: You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to ah I corrected that list for you ;-) *stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle. + On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote: Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. | ||
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On July 17 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I support Random Lynch. you missed the party. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:45 supersoft wrote: did i skip something or might sandroba still be scum hardcorebussing his minion? the minion that already blew his power... | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:46 sandroba wrote: I sure can, does that make any difference to the fact kurumi is scum? no ofc not. I just wanted to consider every possibility. ahm since you're here. What do you think about foolish/syllo ... If you get shot, i really think your honest opinion about this issue will be helpful at least for me. I don't forget about people that die :D | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:47 risk.nuke wrote: ##vote kurumi Kurumi looks pretty busted. His first response to the accusation I can't buy. Feels like a poor scum-excuse but a nonexistant townexcuse and his posts after that are aligned with what I would expect from a busted scum. hahaha, you still think it's necessary to reason your vote if we got a case that clear? He claimed scum dude? | ||
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On July 17 2012 15:32 sandroba wrote: People let me make something clear. There is NO case on syllo so far. We are not lynching him this early period. You all will be able to tell 100% if syllo is town or scum by day 3-4. I really don't understand how so many people can be so sure he is scum at this point, it's like something that build up momentum out of the blue with no real evidence behind it. btw I tend to agree on that. We push syllo in a corner and we really don't get much information from that. Right now I am more suspicious of the people that sheep foolishness. I will think about BH, MZ and the more unremarkable guys. (like risk.nuke) | ||
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On July 18 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote: Voting sandroba until he reveals his power. I vote you, because you're scum. | ||
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On July 18 2012 01:15 sandroba wrote: I would reveal I've been msg'ed in thread. Or if I could come to the conclusion the msg came from a townie I would think about what he is trying to accomplish and not follow the instructions. well it doesn't really matter right now, since he's already dead. Kurumi, the fact, that you're still trying to make us believe that you're innocent is scummy as hell. We just don't care. You're dead. Even if you convince us, that you're town, we cannot change your destiny. If you want to be useful and if you want to contribute your part to a townvictory, you better should start working on this game really hard and give us something we can work with, rather than talking about how innocent you are, since that doesnt matter for us anymore. | ||
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On July 18 2012 02:19 Kurumi wrote: Don't lynch layabout, that's mindless. This guy posted TWO TIMES. Everything he has done was to express some doubt in what happened. He did not attack sandroba, he asked questions. STOP voting layabout. 100% agree. You guys do that all the time at day1 and I never ever understood why. | ||
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On July 18 2012 03:04 layabout wrote: bah Sandro town Kurumi scum. since none of you questioned mafia following a two line message of questionable intent when mafia can only have sent up to 3 messages that could have been as long as they liked and would have been their only method of communication. Are we ignoring the nuke and just killing Kurumi then? lol what are you talking about? You want to lynch kurumi despite of the nuke? Did you even read the thread? I don't think so. Your "I must be over thinking things" means nothing more than: "lul guys i have no idea what is going on and i hope i will somehow catch something i can comment on without you guys noticing that i have no idea whatsoever. + I am a lazy bum" | ||
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On July 18 2012 03:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Glad people are paying attention and voting BH. Posts like this though are a problem. The last thing we want is to give scum more information on sandro's role. Don't waste your vote like that, try and do something productive. is this poor attempt to look useful by austin a scumtell or is he just useless all the time? | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:33 Kurumi wrote: Interesting, why? Then I shouldn't get lynched before I got nuked! the evidence against you was overwhelming. | ||
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On July 18 2012 04:35 Kurumi wrote: Anyway I propose Kurumi lynch. I am dying as town anyway, so that sucks. If RoL flips town, then we have two towns dead. If we kill another town.. 3 towns dead day 1. Lynch me. Please. This is the best thing you can do. Best case - RoL is scum. Worst case, I am town and so RoL is. proposing a no lynch. no need fot further explanation. current debate about sandros role: Not only the wrong point of time, but also: On July 18 2012 04:48 syllogism wrote: It's exactly the kind of role I would expect to be in this setup. You know basically nothing about the setup other than the fact the fact town:mafia ratio is extremely abnormal and the immediate conclusion you draw is that this role is too powerful to be town? Why is your focus on the fact that mafia has limited communication instead of there being one mafia for every 2 townies? What exactly would mafia sandroba's motivation here be? Do you think he is CEO or how exactly do you think he communicated with kurumi? | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted. maybe Kurumi is some kind of jester. That would explain his desire to get lynched -_- last post from me regarding kurumi btw. he's not longer existing. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read? what do you think about risk.nuke? | ||
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§ 1 The good guys Sadly I have to tell you that I won't be around for the lynch, so i want to make sure, i do my best to prevent you from screwing up even if i am not around to babysit the lynchprocedure. :D This leads me to my first important point: I really hope WBG and Sandroba will be around when the lynch happens, it's like 6 hours earlier in their timezone, so it will be around midnight for them (correct me if i am wrong) when the lynch happens. I really think you guys should listen to them, reasoning: these guys know how to play this game and know how to reason their decisions well. They won't attempt to do crazy shit, because if something bad happens, we can actually blame them, unlike many others, who don't make any sense at all and their failure is neither a scum, nor a towntell. Moreover both of them have been really active and I agree with most of their opinions so far. § 2 The Lynchtarget and more about the good guys Now the more important part. I think austin is a solid lynch today. I. At first some thoughts and additions to a good post: On July 18 2012 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote: 1. First of all, sandro's probably the laziest scum I've ever played with. Unless he's magically become so good at playing mafia, the chance of him being scum right now is next to 0. 2. I've already shown that it is in the interest of scum and not town to seek a full roleclaim from sandro. It's also obviously in the interest of mafia to kill sandro right now, and it's in the interest of mafia to undermine sandro so that the damage is minimized. The first thing is actually a thing that austin may not know. But it's simply true. Based on this knowledge the second point is extremely logic. if you start to wifoming around someone who claimed a role and catched scum, at some point he will look suspicious in the eyes of an unexperienced mafiaplayer. But if you look at the facts, sandroba is, if he catched scum with kurumi, town MVP right now. Noone else catched scum so far. he's not confirmed whatsoever and I already pointed out, that setupwise there is still a possibility that sandroba is scum. But this possibility is the only thing what stands between his status as townMVP and confirmedtown-townMVP. The assumption that the very existance of this possibility leads to the conclusion that sandroba is scum, is just bullshit. sum-up: attacking sandro rigt now is bad play. Experience shows us that bad players =/= scum. therefor some more evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148 II. He starts of with a post discussing general stuff. Long post, no paragraphs, many ()()() this text is the exact kind of text i've seen often times from scumplayers. They feel good if they produce a big text at the start, because they feel that they need to do something. III. The screwup: On July 17 2012 23:37 austinmcc wrote: Good lord you guys post too much. Read through, need to look closer at the syllo and BH stuff, but first I want to ask this: Does anyone actually know what sandroba's power is?I want sandroba to reveal his role. He seems sure that mafia is going to kill him so there's no harm in revealing. 1-shot? 1 message per half cycle? 1 message per cycle? Please reveal more about your actual power, sandroba, because it's not sitting well with me right now. More than anything else in the thread, I'm curious about this. What happened between this post and his meaningless policypost. Answer: he didn't follow the game in detail (scum is lazy but many townies get used to that bad habit, too) Now he felt like he needs to do something. But scumhunt as scum? Nooo: You really don't want your teammates to get lynched, so why not go for the guy who claimed and look like you're busy helping the town with this mean roleclaimer. On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote: No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you? That's actually funny: he says, he's curious about the power. I believe him. What I don't believe is, that he's also curious about the alignment. Woa, while I am writing this I can now see it much clearer what bothers me about his crusade against sandroba. He doesn't say that he thinks sandroba is scum, or maybe scum. He doesn't even bring up that sandroba may be bussing kurumi. As scum that's not interesting for him. All he knows is that roleclaiming is usually considered as scummy and he sees his chance here to appear like someone who is pressuring scummy people, but he really isn't. Hah! I am pretty confident now, that austin is scum :-P IV. With his following attemps (for example to accuse GGQ) to clear the blame fail in my eyes. Accusing GGQ is easy and the motiveless effort to try to justify the attack on sandroba with this dubious speculations about the immense power of sandrobas role doesn't turn me around. § 3 The alternatives lynch On July 17 2012 06:47 risk.nuke wrote: ##vote kurumi Kurumi looks pretty busted. His first response to the accusation I can't buy. Feels like a poor scum-excuse but a nonexistant townexcuse and his posts after that are aligned with what I would expect from a busted scum. Hi risk. I already pointed out that post. For someone who just realized that scum had been busted, this post is not happy enough. I want to read outbursts of rampant excitement and not this: feels like... i expect this... k... lynch. and I am also okay with MZ and BH. But it's too late for me to give you full reasoning for these guys lol sorry, need to sleep :D zzZzZZzzz | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:15 Probulous wrote: Well given you were on austin you can't really complain. We did try and get a lynch, I swear we did. oh man I woke up like 3 minutes before 7 a.m. and skimmed the thread, tried to get into the voting thread. But because I was super sleepy, i wasn't able to bold my votes with my iphone... but I think I was too late anyways... why is the deadline at 7am btw? i thought it was at 6 am... | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:31 wherebugsgo wrote: every game we've been in together, anyway. lol you remember the couples-game where RoL and Kurumi were together in your scumteam and they just did absolutely nothing? like 3 posts total or something like that :-D ah yes, well it's not optimal, but i am not unhappy about RoLs decision. I mean with kurumi as a sure lynchtarget, we probably wouldn't have been discussing other lynchtargets and stuff in this extend. It sucks that we had a nolynch, but even from a no-lynch we can get a lot of information. we haven't lost this game yet, that's for sure. | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote: Bugs, Supersoft, Foolishness, QBertz. Where were all you guys before the lynch? why dont you just read my filter, before you ask me stupid questions i already answered. really. | ||
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On July 18 2012 22:34 rastaban wrote: Host you mentioned it might be possible to get the deadlines adjusted a little for Euro players. Since this one is started already could we just adjust, starting with the next day post, back 3 hours. I think town would take the 3 less hours gladly if it means we can have more people here for the flip if need be. no wtf. 3 hours earlier is 4 a.m. i sleep somewhere between 1 and 8 a.m. | ||
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On July 18 2012 22:42 Palmar wrote: gonzaw is still 100% scum. So is meapak, and I'm pretty sure by now foolishness is one too. I support that. Kurumi needs to die tonight. | ||
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On July 18 2012 22:49 marvellosity wrote: Hosts already said deadline was being moved to 12am or 1am my time (1 hour later for supersoft then). It's not entirely clear to me which :x 2 a.m. would be terrible for me because I know i'd be awake that additional hour and this would screw up my 6hour sleeprythm. | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:02 supersoft wrote: Kurumi, who messaged you. Tell me now. PLEASE :D | ||
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based on the informations we already got: kurumi had a nuke, rol had a useless nuke, wbg was pardoner, bm claims to have this voterig/dayabilitysteal-power and sandrobas ability, i guess many players have little abilitys like that. i am pretty confident, that we have some sort of extra kp. keeping in mind that our lynch where we're 2/3 to 1/3 and have to get 1/2 on our lynchtarget is a pretty bad instrument. however scum obv has only one or two kp, too. assuming kurumi is scum, they even have a daykill ability. (what makes sense with only 1night kp). the problem might have been that every kp-owner thought another one would already do the job. usually you dont get your kp back if the target is already dead right? i've actually never been vigilante lol i am a little bit mad at myself for not directing the blues last night. actually something like "vigs in the upper half of the playerlist shoot kurumi" could have helped :-o haha, i originally wanted to start yelling at our vigs for letting kurumi stay alive. | ||
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On July 20 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote: Anyone saying that my case on Bill Murray is too much based on meta did not read through it. It is clear from his fitler that he has not brought anything new to the table nor contributed anything. As I said his longest post was his little spiel about me but that only came after many others (sandroba, bugs, etc) laid out those arguments in full. He just repeated what others were saying. You can see from his past games that this matches up with his mafia play. Bill Murray hasn't done anything this game. He's neither contributed nor done anything helpful. His attitude this game is very consistent with his mafia play. Also I already explained my actions this game. If you want to sit there and call me mafia than go crazy, but don't expect me to respond unless you actually bring up a case. And Probulous, you are seriously misguided if you are thinking about whether someone is an executive or not. Hypothetical scenario. Let's say we have a confirmed sane DT check someone and get back the result of mafia. How are you going to be able to tell whether that person is an executive or a minion? You can't. It's a waste of time to think about it. A mafia is a mafia. you read his claim? | ||
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On July 20 2012 02:55 Foolishness wrote: Yes. That doesn't change anything I've said. i'd rather say it supports your read... | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote: Man this is fun. I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times. okay noone does anything before sandroba confirms that this is a good plan: + Show Spoiler + let's kill zealos first, kurumi has no power today and we don't know what zealos has. agree? | ||
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opinion: zealos first because kurumi seems to have no powers today? | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:50 sandroba wrote: Well we should just lynch kurumi to not give the hosts much trouble. I asked zealos to breacrumb if he had any powers in his posts and he didn't do anything so I assume no power. ah well he should have known that this wan't from his master. The masters should know the powers of the minions... good. We stick with kurumi then. | ||
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On July 20 2012 07:51 Blazinghand wrote: As do I. JUST TO REITERATE: I'm TOTALLY down to kill EITHER of these guys today. Both are fine to lynch. The other will be lynched tomorrow. Killing Zealos, however, cuts short one night of possible mafia PR usage, whereas Kurumi has already used his 1-shot nuke power. I will be around CONSTANTLY and am totally willing to go back to Kurumi to insure a lynch today. ##unvote ##vote: Zealos Let's do it. stop it! I didn't want exactly this chaos. We stick with kurumi, because he's more likely scum. + I am extremely afraid that his nukes reload. | ||
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On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote: They will know what exists, not who has what. . @Syllo- Current format is everyone sends in their choice to hosts by days end and CEO picks one from the list. Might tweak this a bit. If CEO dies, the decision power will go to one of the executives (in a certain order). If all 3 executives die, one or two minions may have the power to decide..If all possible decision makers die, it will be made by vote with priority on popularity and then who sent it in first. If anyone has suggestions for this feel free. ah my bad... Better for us, because in this scenario, he couldn't know whether the message was from his master or frrom you. | ||
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On July 20 2012 08:25 Probulous wrote: Sandroba, do you get to message people directly or via the host? If the message is anonymous, how would Zealos know it came from you? We don't know if scum can send messages to townies so ignoring the message is not a bad idea in my mind. Am I missing something? yes. go back and think about it. If scum sends you a message and you're town, what do you do? | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:08 supersoft wrote: if you start to wifoming around someone who claimed a role and catched scum, at some point he will look suspicious in the eyes of an unexperienced mafiaplayer. But if you look at the facts, sandroba is, if he catched scum with kurumi, town MVP right now. Noone else catched scum so far. he's not confirmed whatsoever and I already pointed out, that setupwise there is still a possibility that sandroba is scum. But this possibility is the only thing what stands between his status as townMVP and confirmedtown-townMVP. The assumption that the very existance of this possibility leads to the conclusion that sandroba is scum, is just bullshit. sum-up: attacking sandro right now is bad play. only thing that changed since then is that sandro catched another one. Austin needs to be lynched. I don't buy it, that he's that dumb. | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:23 syllogism wrote: I already explained but you refused to accept the explanation. How did you handwave this by the way? No no VE has a better idea to test sandrobas ability. He just lynchs him and reads the role-PM. Much safer and you dont have to use your brain. | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:28 austinmcc wrote: + Show Spoiler + hatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshatshats!hats!hats! why do you guys even want to eleminate executives. I thought they have no powers?! | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:31 supersoft wrote: If they die, someone else will take their spot, no? no. you're right "@Syllo- Current format is everyone sends in their choice to hosts by days end and CEO picks one from the list. Might tweak this a bit. If CEO dies, the decision power will go to one of the executives (in a certain order). If all 3 executives die, one or two minions may have the power to decide..If all possible decision makers die, it will be made by vote with priority on popularity and then who sent it in first. If anyone has suggestions for this feel free." seems like the communicationpower won't switch to someone else. cool. | ||
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she cant be scum. | ||
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We are going to reach a point of time in the game where i need some informations. | ||
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10. Meapak_Ziphh 7. VisceraEyes 16. GGQ 15. syllogism at least 2 of them are guaranteed scum, otherwise the setup makes no sense balancewise. | ||
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26. Palmar town 3. Sandroba town 11. Supersoft town ???-Vets& 6. Foolishness 10. Meapak_Ziphh 16. GGQ 7. VisceraEyes 15. syllogism Troll 8. Bill Murray 18. Chezinu dead 25. RebirthofLegend town 19. Kurumi town 13. Wherebugsgo town yes you do VE. I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead. There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me. 1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense. syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ if one of the trolls is scum and i made one mistake, 2 of you are scum | ||
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On July 22 2012 04:07 Palmar wrote: Even if I thought revealing my role was beneficial, why would I do it during the night? maybe i am a vig and i don't want to misfire. :-D | ||
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____________________________________ On July 22 2012 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolish can you comment on these points on BM I raised? He refuses to, because he realized he has this exact power on his CEO-powersheet. And now he thinks "what have i done" | ||
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On July 22 2012 05:18 Foolishness wrote: Man town's these days are brutal, no wonder so many people ragequit. On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote: They will know what exists, not who has what. | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:25 Foolishness wrote: God dammit I was playing league of legends then had to step out quickly. What the heck happened I never miss lynches if i am awake. It just never happens. If you really are town, you're doing it wrong man. | ||
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On July 22 2012 05:18 Foolishness wrote: Man town's these days are brutal, no wonder so many people ragequit. answer me, foolishness - what the fuck is this shit about. are you kidding me? | ||
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On January 25 2012 00:46 GGQ wrote: I dislike being labelled as bored/lazy/apathetic. I spent hours every day reading the thread, comparing filters, and scribbling notes. I was aware that I wasn't having much impact on the thread, but with the time I had available i tried to do what I could, having ciryandor as my day 1 lynch target and BC as my mayor choice. I suspected Incog at first primarily because of his case against BC when it looked like the town might be ready to unite behind him. After the macpo lynch I pretty much decided to trust protact/BC/foolishness for the forseeable future. About macpo, when people wanted to lynch him for being uncertain and self-doubting in his first post, I wanted to defend him because I remember in my first game being very hesitent and having no confidence at all. Guess that's a scumtell for a reason. Mostly the game was proceeding in an acceptable manner (aside from way too much unnecessary posting), so there was no need for me to do anything drastic. I know it's important for townies to establish their innocence and I will hopefully do better at that next time, but it was actually pretty enlightening to be the target of various accusations and to be able to judge people's intent based on the way the accusations were made. I never responded to any of them, either because they were dozens of pages back when I finally caught up to the thread, or because I just didn't feel threatened. Maybe I should have been more worried but I wasn't. I've never been lynched as town and I didn't intend to start. faszinating. | ||
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On July 22 2012 06:18 syllogism wrote: GGQ never posts in any of the games he joins, so linking wouldn't do much okay you help me now. I have a problem with three things: 1. On July 22 2012 05:26 supersoft wrote: I never miss lynches if i am awake. It just never happens. If you really are town, you're doing it wrong man. Do you buy his story? 2. Palmar defending BH. On July 17 2012 01:35 Blazinghand wrote: Oh my lord, you're right. Syllo's managed to make several posts without actually comitting to anything at all. I take it all back, he's the scum here. He agrees with Sandro on me, but doesn't do anything about it. He would "like to lynch" probulous, but doesn't vote him. I've seen the light. ##unvote ##vote: syllogism die scum On July 17 2012 01:38 Blazinghand wrote: NO! NO THIS ONE MAKES SENSE. Just check out his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=102651 Ok so he starts off with irrelevant questions that look like pressure but aren't (link), then continues by saying that HE WANTS TO LYNCH PROBULOUS WITHOUT VOTING HIM (link), then states I'm scum but hides behind another dude's case and doesn't vote me! (link). This is a man with no strong opinions except, apparently, that everyone is scum but he's not voting anyone. Scummy. Scum. is this excitement fake? and what about this: On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote: Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. does he really think you're scum? _________________________________________ can both of them be scum? _________________________________________ 3. On July 22 2012 05:18 Foolishness wrote: Man town's these days are brutal, no wonder so many people ragequit. townslip? he obviously doesnt get what i mean with the CEO-powersheet. Is he CEO and dumb or is this too hard to understand and his reaction a nulltell? | ||
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On July 22 2012 07:04 syllogism wrote: Even if that's the case, I don't believe you at no point had a few minutes to spare to move your vote somewhere useful. Yes, I do believe it's possible that you had to "step out" for a while, but before that you were playing LoL and clearly not very interested in helping town. how can katina do that? is she your girlfriend? ^_^ | ||
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On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote: It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since They can and I think are both mafia So you think as mafia he thinks you're mafia and he accuses you. | ||
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On July 22 2012 08:03 syllogism wrote: I said that it's conceivable and would be an attempt to convey to me that he is mafia. It was a random vote and he put 0 effort into actually pushing the point. What a pointless question alright. One last question. Who would you shoot tonight, as scum? | ||
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On July 22 2012 08:41 supersoft wrote: Katina, is it true that foolish had no time to be around for the day1 lynch? ah no better don't answer this. It's somehow cheating and I don't really buy it no matter what. Everyone has a smartphone these days. If you're awake, there is no way you're not avaliable except something really bad happens. | ||
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On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Awesome on two counts! I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. As you know I've been spending a majority of my time figuring him out and was wavering because he had a good case on BM which I agree with, yet chose to do exactly that a case on BM. I was torn on trying to figure out meta and trusting people's reads, but VE's grilling brought out cold hard, in-thread contradictions that I understand and trust. Probulous I'm assuming is some sort of kingmaker (?) - and he made VE king to lynch BH. Prob has also said that Chezinu is some sort of rolecop: Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role? I forgot who said it (was quite recently) that scum and town may have mirror/similar abilities. Sandroba was a clear instance of a town messenger - use ability to find out scum. Chezinu or whoever is sending seems like they are sending messages of confusion (house of Chezinu etc.). In any case I still have to do more rereading & filtering in light of the new information influx. Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. You didn't kill foolishness. | ||
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However it's possible, that be both shot him. vigs dont get their bullets back when 2 shot the same target. But I still don't buy it. He didn't shoot foolishness. | ||
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All scummembers have a fakePM i bet his is that crazed employee. | ||
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because my counterclaim doesn't confirm him as scum. | ||
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On July 22 2012 20:24 Bill Murray wrote: but, yeah, i'm stealing sloosh's vote, and seeing if he has any unused powers i can use (then we'll know he's lying) i agree with that. | ||
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On July 22 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote: why would he claim if he knew he was going to get counter-claimed? he would want some kinda 1 for 1?? the question is, did he know that you don't get your bullets back. I posted it earlier, but more like a question. if you know that, it's no 1v1. The problem I have with him, is the way he claimes his shot. | ||
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I waited until 5 minutes before the end of n2 to send my shot in. What an idiot if he's town. | ||
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On July 22 2012 21:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess the question is: why didn't either of you shoot Kurumi N1? We wasted our D2 lynch because of you guys, you WERE under specific orders to open fire. ##Unvote: Chezinu ##Vote: Palmar Sup bro? Suuuuup? I'm doing a little rereading over the course of today Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum. Why do you ask dear? 2 reasons: 1. My shot is more valuable than a lynch. I shot foolishness, the CEO. 2. I die if i hit a townie. | ||
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On July 23 2012 00:52 syllogism wrote: After palmar we should definitely lynch into sloosh/zealos/austinmcc/meapak. Even if they all flip mafia, not quite sure who the remaining two are, though the pool of possible candidates isn't very large. Mass claim by that point may be a good idea. I am such a fan of mass claims. | ||
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we can use that to instashoot him :D | ||
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On July 23 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote: I read the role, but it seems like such a dumb strategy, especially with the claims being clearly so poorly thought out. I suppose if Supersoft is fake claiming it might make some sense mh no i am not. I know there are no clues in this game, but: + Show Spoiler + "hey i want to kill foolishness. reasoning, so you don't think i am of unsound mind if i fail: 1. I think i might die tonight. Every fairly skilled player is under heavy suspicion right now. That makes me a good target, because i established my townieness pretty well. 2. I don't buy this LOL-story and the d1 lynch. wiggles did the exact same thing in LV and he was scum and noone listened to me 3. Among these 4 players: Syllo, Sandro, Palmar, Foolishness has to be atleast one mafiaguy. And I think Sandroba is clear, syllo is kind of clear and Palmar at least has some little moments, however I believe he might be scum, too. If foolishness isn't, Palmar is for sure. haha, maybe you can express my uncertainty in the nighpost :D I am just thinking about the possibility, that foolish is town, scum shoots sandroba and we're all dead :D okay let's do this. If i screw up, i'll play under some smurf for a while because I can't live with the guilt :D" | ||
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On July 23 2012 03:41 supersoft wrote: mh no i am not. I know there are no clues in this game, but: + Show Spoiler + "hey i want to kill foolishness. reasoning, so you don't think i am of unsound mind if i fail: 1. I think i might die tonight. Every fairly skilled player is under heavy suspicion right now. That makes me a good target, because i established my townieness pretty well. 2. I don't buy this LOL-story and the d1 lynch. wiggles did the exact same thing in LV and he was scum and noone listened to me 3. Among these 4 players: Syllo, Sandro, Palmar, Foolishness has to be atleast one mafiaguy. And I think Sandroba is clear, syllo is kind of clear and Palmar at least has some little moments, however I believe he might be scum, too. If foolishness isn't, Palmar is for sure. haha, maybe you can express my uncertainty in the nighpost :D I am just thinking about the possibility, that foolish is town, scum shoots sandroba and we're all dead :D okay let's do this. If i screw up, i'll play under some smurf for a while because I can't live with the guilt :D" referring to this: "He had been feeling uncertain about life, death, and continuing to work for this demonic corporation already, and now he discovered that one of his colleagues had died on the job." I aksed if bullets get refunded at night1. So I knew exactly, that it is possible that we both could have shot foolish. However the first thing i thought when i read slooshs claim was: He didn't kill him. It was only me in the nightpost. That was the thinking process behind my first post today: then I left and took a shower. I then realized, that this is a noclue game, and the nightpost is irrelevant. However I took a closer look at sloosh: On July 22 2012 19:12 supersoft wrote: yes i shot foolishness and i am the towndreamflower. However it's possible, that be both shot him. vigs dont get their bullets back when 2 shot the same target. But I still don't buy it. He didn't shoot foolishness. here i thouhgt i might be too suspicious towards him On July 22 2012 19:22 syllogism wrote: I don't like how he spends a whole paragraph explaining why he shot him. If he shot him, it's likely that he would be more confident as there is no reason to assume someone else shot him and thus little reason to explain his rationale in such detail. He doesn't seem confident at all. He also never posted anything in-thread that indicated he was "wavering" or changing his mind on foolishness. but syllo backed up my read: On July 22 2012 19:32 supersoft wrote: yes. his claim looks extremely fake. i bet crazed employee is his fake-PM. All scummembers have a fakePM i bet his is that crazed employee. | ||
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On July 23 2012 12:42 Chezinu wrote: OK! First OFF, The mafia is panicking!! have you seen how many mafia posts there are pre-page 139? SOOO many.. I just skipped most of them to avoid hurting my sound town mind. If you would pick someone randomly to kill from those pages you will likey hit scum. Just avoid Prob, cause I likes him. Prob, just noticed the exact same thing I noticed about slOosh and someone breadcrumb my suspensions. Therefore, ##Vote slOosh oh and mafia try and calm yourselves down. Your just outing yourselves. I know your angry about the CEO and how he played. But you don't have to complain openly about it in the thread, making you obvious scum for the lynch. See what I did thar? oh and gonaz, stop trying to communicate secretly in the thread. You aren't skilled as me, thanks. they're always panicking if you start cutting the heads off >:-D to increase the panic we lynch in the following order: palmar meapak_ziph sloOsh gonzaw | ||
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we must lynch palmar today. | ||
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On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote: You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless. the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous | ||
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First of all, I want you to explain what really happened this game: It's always the same, the scumvets and the townvets fight for the townleadership. 2 Townvets, syllogism and sandroba had an insanely strong start. + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote: So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote: My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. I knew that they were town from the first couple of posts. Foolishness and Palmar saw that, too. I know exactly that they saw it because they tried to attack both of them instantly. There is no way, that Palmar honestly thought that syllogism is scum at the end of day1. On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote: Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. he even tried to pull me on his side. So my first allegation is basically this: Palmar attacks Syllogism even though he knows that he's town. Second allegation: Some people are wondering why we chose Palmar all of a sudden, while I for example was defending him until n2. As you see, I faked it. + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote: ah I corrected that list for you ;-) *stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle. + this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote: Town-vets& 26. Palmar town 3. Sandroba town 11. Supersoft town ???-Vets& 6. Foolishness 10. Meapak_Ziphh 16. GGQ 7. VisceraEyes 15. syllogism Troll 8. Bill Murray 18. Chezinu dead 25. RebirthofLegend town 19. Kurumi town 13. Wherebugsgo town yes you do VE. I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead. There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me. 1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense. syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ if one of the trolls is scum and i made one mistake, 2 of you are scum On July 22 2012 03:40 supersoft wrote: no wtf are you doing to me. I refiltered palmar and I agree on everything he says except syllogism and katina. this was extremely fake. Sorry I had to do that, I wanted to lull Palmar into a false sense of security. On July 22 2012 04:15 supersoft wrote: maybe i am a vig and i don't want to misfire. :-D this however was extremely real. I had Palmars kill already typed in several times at n2. I was suspicious of Palmar right from the start, when he attacked syllo and sandro for no reason. I wanted to see how Palmar plays without pressure and we all saw it: He was fucking useless. Third: His roleclaim *facepalm* On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote: You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless. the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous LET'S LYNCH THAT SCUM | ||
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On July 23 2012 23:33 Palmar wrote: At the time I thought BH was town, and I thought he'd get lynched. I actually meant to pardon him, which is pretty terrible. Sorry for the shitty play. it's nothing personal Palmar, it's purely business. MAN I have such a guilty conscience when I have to lynch one of you guys... Foolishness already was so sad, that I shot him... | ||
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On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote: I read somewhere that I didn't say or vote for Palmar until the wagon started to form on him. That is not true at all, I have been pushing Palmar since D1 and put my vote on him after BH was lynched since he was next on my list to lynch. true. On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote: It is true that the Mafia are panicking now. (gonzaw's case on me and risk's sheeping along and claiming to not stop until I'm lynchng) I don't believe sloosh's claim and I think that he has a high chance of flipping Mafia. Once Palmar flips then we need to focus our attention on the others. gonzaw, Layabout, Meapak, risk.nuke, sloosh. also true. You seem a little nervous though. don't worry young lady we got this. | ||
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On July 24 2012 00:03 supersoft wrote: Okay I am home, let's clean up. First of all, I want you to explain what really happened this game: It's always the same, the scumvets and the townvets fight for the townleadership. 2 Townvets, syllogism and sandroba had an insanely strong start. + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote: So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote: My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. I knew that they were town from the first couple of posts. Foolishness and Palmar saw that, too. I know exactly that they saw it because they tried to attack both of them instantly. There is no way, that Palmar honestly thought that syllogism is scum at the end of day1. he even tried to pull me on his side. So my first allegation is basically this: Palmar attacks Syllogism even though he knows that he's town. Second allegation: Some people are wondering why we chose Palmar all of a sudden, while I for example was defending him until n2. As you see, I faked it. + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote: ah I corrected that list for you ;-) *stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle. + this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote: Town-vets& 26. Palmar town 3. Sandroba town 11. Supersoft town ???-Vets& 6. Foolishness 10. Meapak_Ziphh 16. GGQ 7. VisceraEyes 15. syllogism Troll 8. Bill Murray 18. Chezinu dead 25. RebirthofLegend town 19. Kurumi town 13. Wherebugsgo town yes you do VE. I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead. There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me. 1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense. syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ if one of the trolls is scum and i made one mistake, 2 of you are scum On July 22 2012 03:40 supersoft wrote: no wtf are you doing to me. I refiltered palmar and I agree on everything he says except syllogism and katina. this was extremely fake. Sorry I had to do that, I wanted to lull Palmar into a false sense of security. On July 22 2012 04:15 supersoft wrote: maybe i am a vig and i don't want to misfire. :-D this however was extremely real. I had Palmars kill already typed in several times at n2. I was suspicious of Palmar right from the start, when he attacked syllo and sandro for no reason. I wanted to see how Palmar plays without pressure and we all saw it: He was fucking useless. Third: His roleclaim *facepalm* the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous LET'S LYNCH THAT SCUM you guys clearly don't read the thread. On July 24 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote: I am voting Palmar. I unintentionally saved BH from a day 1 lynch. Sandroba saying Palmar was the best reason I could find, and I trust that sandroba is smarter than I. My vote is late and meaningless, but it does help ensure a lynch. ##vote: Palmar On July 24 2012 05:06 marvellosity wrote: Alright. I'm gonna trust you/sandroba/syllo/whoever else. My read on him still isn't much away from null, but for someone who knows Palmar better that may be telling in itself because of the similar names and the similar limited abilitys I'll treat you as one person from now on. | ||
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On July 24 2012 09:51 syllogism wrote: See no need to make cases, just yell at/blackmail people until they vote right gj | ||
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second stage suspects: zealos, layabout, austin third stage suspects: rastaban, Mattchew, marvellosity, Q-bert-Z | ||
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On July 25 2012 03:10 rastaban wrote: well maybe if you would stop lurking and actually help out the town for once she could get a read on you... you realize, that syllo and i (and VE to some extend, he however killed bh) were the driving force behind foolishness and palmars deaths? lurking? do you even read the thread? | ||
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that's just not right. Why do you all assume that successfully scumhunting and defending scum doesn't mean anything. It's just wrong. It does mean a lot! fairly skilled players see scummy play no matter what alignment they are. If they push it they're town and if they try to veil it, they're scum. And it works the other way around: Fairly skilled player also see townplay and if they're scum they try to cast doubt. It's not that important to have the modconfirmed list for a good player. Catching bad players is a little bit different, but it basically should work somewhat similar. | ||
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On July 25 2012 07:10 Mattchew wrote: This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you I was. | ||
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On July 25 2012 07:23 supersoft wrote: Catching bad players is a little bit different, but it basically should work somewhat similar. sorry for double but, but I have to add something to this: It works the same if the scummy play is obvious enough and the townplay is obvious enough. Palmar scumplay was obvious enough after I posted my case and Palmar claimed his scumabilitys and Sandrobas/WBGs/Syllos and my townplay was/is obvious enough. Everyone who tries to cast doubt upon us/defended Palmar is paranoid or scum. | ||
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On July 25 2012 07:53 Chezinu wrote: I wonder how that happened. It seems every time I play people always say the thread is chaotic.. wait a minute... I haven't heard anyone call me useless this game! People tend to do that too when I play.. it's unnecessary to outspeak what's obvious. ;-) | ||
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GJ! if you have the choice between 1) someone who shot the mafia CEO n2, catched the other scumvet AND who is listing the guy you want to get killed on his scumlist ALL game long 2) someone who gave you power for no real reason you manage to chose the second guy! ESPECIALLY after a night like this!!! no death means that something is wrong in the scumteam! now we have this situation. we cant be sure about probulus anymore because he decided to do unexpected stuff | ||
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I admit, that my first stage, second stage and thirdstage post was a mistake. I just wanted to give you a rough image... No let's hope the best. He'll flip soon right? | ||
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On July 25 2012 14:16 Probulous wrote: I PM'd them. hah! This is finally something I completely support! :-D Anyways I have a problem with the night. Why didn't anyone die? | ||
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maybe the scumteam only sent in playernames the deciding guy expected to be scum...? Difficult... really. | ||
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I want you all role claim you exact rolename and abilitys now. i dont lynch based on a stupid mirrortheory, if i dont have all roleclaims. today's lynch will be determined the good old behaviorbased way. even though you still are welcome to roleclaim, meapak. | ||
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On July 25 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote: ve, read the thread. really. we discussed the slooshtopic like 1474383 pages. no he did not claim the same role. i dont lynch based on a stupid mirrortheory, if i dont have all roleclaims. today's lynch will be determined the good old behaviorbased way. even though you still are welcome to roleclaim, meapak. edit: no i dont want a roleclaim just yet. the possible medic may have done a good job and i want to see if we get lucky again tomorrow. we can still do a mass roleclaim after we lynched mz and sloosh. | ||
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meapak do it now. i bet you claim vt :-D | ||
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Seriously Meapak, you're the realistic lynchtarget today. It's nothing personal Meapak, it's purely business. | ||
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On July 25 2012 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol. You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched. Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today. btw. You're a good player, too. But i couldn't see that this game. That's one main allegation. You're not town, simply because you didn't reach your own standart. | ||
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On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote: He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. On July 25 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote: Oki doki, here are my thoughts (so you can hold me accountable, VE ) Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote: He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum. On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote: Meapak: Picks on easy targets for the most part. The only one he hard pushs is rastaban who hasn't been too active this game. He makes for an easy target. Meapak continues to push rastaban when it's clear that no one is going to go for it. His Mafia list is pretty meh, As I said the only hard read he has been pushing is rastaban to try and make it look like he's scum hunting so he doesn't draw too much suspicion. if you somehow didn't catch it, meapak :-D | ||
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Gamebalance and math: alive: 11. Supersoft town 15. syllogism town 7. VisceraEyes killed scum very unlikely scum when Prob is scum 10. Meapak_Ziphh 8. Bill Murray townread (can't be executive) 18. Chezinu town 4. Probulous killed scum very unlikely scum when VE is scum dead 25. RebirthofLegend town 19. Kurumi town 13. Wherebugsgo town 3. Sandroba town 16. GGQ town 26. Palmar scum 6. Foolishness scum Third allegation: you have no abilitys. We have 2 executives missing. Foolishness CEO flip indicates, that good players are in key positions. Fourth allegation: Foolishness refused to mention you, even though you were discussed day1. Syllo attacked you day1 and got attacked by foolish and palmar. | ||
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On July 25 2012 17:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: sigh I guess I better do this one real quick as well. You gotta do better than this supersoft. i could add some colors to make the design more appealing... | ||
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i am not at all disagreeing with a gonzawlynch, but i think he can wait since he has no pull at all. | ||
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On July 25 2012 18:35 supersoft wrote: gonzaw is no threat*** compared to meapak. if we let him get away like that today we give town a wrong signal. and if we dont survive until tomorrow, he might use this to his advantage and to cast doubt. we have to get rid of him as long as we're still alive. i am not at all disagreeing with a gonzawlynch, but i think he can wait since he has no pull at all. ***fixd | ||
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On July 25 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote: Supersoft what kind of argument is that? Kill MZ because if every sensible person dies he's going to manipulate the town if he's scum. What's with the damn unwillingness to lynch actuall scum. We got people I've felt like nearly everyone agrees are scummy, like zealous or rastaban but somehow they don't die. I'm going to vote Zealous now and everyone who's interested in killing scum should join in. ##Vote Zealous that's not the reason why i want to lynch him. that's the reason why i want to lynch him first. Why I want to lynch him can be found here: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2012 16:59 supersoft wrote: btw. You're a good player, too. But i couldn't see that this game. That's one main allegation. You're not town, simply because you didn't reach your own standart. On July 25 2012 17:14 supersoft wrote: if you somehow didn't catch it, meapak :-D On July 25 2012 17:21 supersoft wrote: Second allegation: Gamebalance and math: alive: 11. Supersoft town 15. syllogism town 7. VisceraEyes killed scum very unlikely scum when Prob is scum 10. Meapak_Ziphh 8. Bill Murray townread (can't be executive) 18. Chezinu town 4. Probulous killed scum very unlikely scum when VE is scum dead 25. RebirthofLegend town 19. Kurumi town 13. Wherebugsgo town 3. Sandroba town 16. GGQ town 26. Palmar scum 6. Foolishness scum Third allegation: you have no abilitys. We have 2 executives missing. Foolishness CEO flip indicates, that good players are in key positions. Fourth allegation: Foolishness refused to mention you, even though you were discussed day1. Syllo attacked you day1 and got attacked by foolish and palmar. | ||
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todays lynch is between these two. the gonzawcase is also rocksolid. @marvel, I really am wondering what further reasoning you're expecting from syllo. Read through his filter... | ||
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i propose that everyone decides between these two persons in the next 10 hours. after that the votes from the one who got a lesser amount of votes have to be moved to the other guy. | ||
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however mz is slightly scummier in my eyes. | ||
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mz or gonzaw. no zealos or chezinu or whatever | ||
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I'll change my vote to Gonzaw if MZ still has no majority in 3 hours. | ||
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On July 26 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote: We still have 24 hours or more, this isn't coming down to a "gonzaw vs Meapak" lynch just because syllo/supersoft says so. :-O DEEEERRRRPPPP! You're wrong. now claim. Entertain me! ^_^ MZ, you, too. Please claim. You said you're in no danger of getting lynched, I think the situation has changed a little. The furious townmob wants to take revenge for wbg and sandro. I don't know if I can hold them back any longer! | ||
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On July 26 2012 07:28 supersoft wrote: sloosh didn't push my lynch, because he knew that I was saying the truth. You basically delivered a good point there. Thanks! ah what am I speculating about. Sloosh is so obviously scum. Look at his reaction in general to my CC. | ||
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Votecount is 5:6 in favour of Gonzaw. If you don't claim within the next 5 minutes. My vote is on you and I'll go crazy if anyone doesn't move his vote on you. A nolynch is no option for me, just to make that clear. | ||
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On July 26 2012 07:36 gonzaw wrote: Are we going to go through the same shit from Bang Bang? I already realized that you try to mirror this play. | ||
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On July 26 2012 07:38 supersoft wrote: I already realized that you try to mirror this play. I didn't shoot you back then. I disagreed with marvels shot. Now back to this game. Claim now or die. You have no option :-/ | ||
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Alea iacta est! lol ##unvote ##vote Gonzaw | ||
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yes i know. But i want to have this 25 hours to make sure no nolynch happens. | ||
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after that game I am going to write up a guide "how to avoid a lynch" chapters will be: I. Your Claim II. Explaining your motivations III. Push another plan IV. Common Mistakes 1. Walls of text 2. Disappearing 3. Acting mysterious doesnt help if your scum or terrible, because the explaining point is the most important one. but you could at least try :D | ||
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ve crowned prob and he killed laya | ||
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##nuke sloosh | ||
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it's actually a null tell. our earlier excitement about it was unreasoned. that's why we killed palmar and were going to kill sloosh, mz, gonzaw first. | ||
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gonzaw is still an idiot for not claiming btw. but we have to make sure that we dont nolynch... that should be highest priority at this point. | ||
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On July 27 2012 01:02 Bill Murray wrote: sloosh/supersoft counterclaim 50% lynch imo what? | ||
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On July 27 2012 01:04 risk.nuke wrote: More likely they were just bussing the scum who would never survive to lategame for towncred? nuke mz please! (or sloosh, dont care) | ||
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you remember the game when you and palmar were a hydra and we lynched curu early on? woa i was so angry at risk :D it was basically the same situation. be totally had that game and risk refused to trust me... | ||
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we lynch meapak today. | ||
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if syllo is talking shit like nuking me i cant trust him anymore. | ||
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On July 27 2012 02:39 HiroPro wrote: The more I think about it, supersoft being a fake makes sense. He didn't claim until well after BH died and slOosh claimed. He was around right after the night post, yet he chose not to claim. Why would a town vigi do this? Vigis almost always claim either right before or right after the night post. They don't generally wait for someone else to claim their role. It's not something that is expected. i was in no danger of getting lynched, i didnt expect anyone to CC, i though scum would kill me if i confirm myself with the claim and i am a fucking good scumhunter without a bullet, too. there was just no need to claim. i also wanted to treat people with a possible bullet! works fine. | ||
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sloosh cannot be syllos minion if syllo is scum. the nuke idea was a good idea. if hes ceo now however he knows that there is no nuker left. who hasnt nuked yet? nuke meapak! meapak has to be executive if syllo isnt. | ||
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meapak is the lynchtarget today! me defending palmar means nothing! i cozied pslmar around several times! read L. i was buddying him, attacking him and at last i was defending him. he was town. this game i pushed his lynch. i almost shot him n2. i had the killmove alteady typed in. i wrote up the case. the turning point really was his larger post at the middle of d2 when kurumi was about to get lynched and palmar suddenly posted a lot. however his syllo attack was suspicious! if you keep attacking me you basically attacked the guy that killed 2 scumplayers. | ||
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On July 27 2012 02:49 syllogism wrote: Supersoft you seem to be panicking in a manner that suggest you are indeed mafia. Meapak wanted to lynch sloosh today, while gonzaw didn't, don't you think nuking gonzaw makes more sense? sloosh is maybe gonzaws minion and not MZs. my read on MZ is a lot stronger though! | ||
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look at the insane evidence. i am a confirmed towndreamflower everyone who doubts this is basically claiming scum or retard | ||
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you never ever found scum by analysis. you're just getting lucky from time to time. giving power to proboulus who lynches someone you dont agree with, is hardly "killing scum" pfffff | ||
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+ i reconsidered you, too. you weren't named, too in this PM. however i came to the conclusion that you're still town | ||
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+ i was afraid i couldnt trust you snymore and thus my reads are wrong. | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:05 Katina wrote: I did read. Just thought it was interesting. makes no sense On July 27 2012 04:01 syllogism wrote: This post seems like a good candidate for the "if you have the passive role make a passing accusation of one of the quiet players." order. If I recall correctly, he hasn't been under much attack either and mafia usually love attacking easy targets like him. We know that he at least doesn't have an active day role due to BM stealing his vote at one point. I can't see any reason to believe he is town anyway. makes sense. Ahm 5 hours left. Thoughts? | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:08 syllogism wrote: Actually I'm convinced that post is him following the role breadcrumbing instructions and that he is a minon. He also made a post attacking people sheeping palmar wagon. He didn't vote because BM stole his vote and put it on palmar "attack sandroba" | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:12 Q-bert-Z wrote: My fellow workers, I have been given a mask from Chezinu. It looks serious, let's see what it does... *puts on mask* Most intriguing. It seems to do nothing. But it looks cool. I found a book on the floor just now, I think it belongs to Palmar. It was written by Sun Tzu, and when I picked it up I found that it was turned to a page that said "“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle” If we are to throw off the chains of tyranny we must understand the psyche of the those who would enslave us. The majority of them out there know nothing until the are contacted. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is an enemy of the common worker, but is still at risk of being fired by those over him. They cannot appear too pro-worker or they may be shot. They cannot appear too pro-bureaucrat or they will be fired. If you ask me, this sounds like the position that a Mole is in, where they must focus on surviving the lay-offs. Palmar must have been the owner of the book, because he mentioned this earlier, but nobody really paid attention. Welp, it's getting hot in here, so I'm going to take this thing off. *takes mask off* AMERICA! I didn't even think once about the mole at this time | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You should try thinking sometime, it might actually do you some good. I don't get it. Could you please be more precise? | ||
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On July 27 2012 04:36 gonzaw wrote: It all seems to indicate he's cc'ing mole then. If he was actually scum (and sloosh real mole) that' be stupid as hell, so I'd be inclined to believe him. ##Unvote: Meapak_Zipph ##Vote: sloosh Even if that's not the case (and MZ is real cop), the mole still counts for mafia's numbers, and sloosh isn't really helpful with his "confirmed town-mole" status, so it doesn't really matter I'd like confirmation from MZ that he's cc'ing mole by the above way though scum. :D oh man. this game... now were lynching because of some strange claim - which if it is real - is completely worthless because it doesnt give us any information about slooshs mole status..., | ||
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yea sure. lol! so funny! possible nuke in the game and Syllo gives this guy a free pass. Terrible play right there. Really. | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: +1, minor adjustment to order including ranking. supersoft immediately resorting to ad hom attacks was...unnecessary and only served to discredit me without addressing my concerns. In spite of that, I prefer MZ after Zealos because of the claim. impressive reasoning power, On July 27 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know where you got the idea that I'm a "town leader" :/ now we know why. | ||
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my problem is, that you dare to attacke me without even reading through my filter. That's my problem. | ||
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On July 27 2012 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: That doesn't give you license to attack me personally for no fucking reason. I hope you're modkilled. HEY! If you make a post like this. Where you change my position in some strange ranking from #3 to #4. Don't be pissed if i make a joke about it. | ||
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"My first real order to you is to attack sandroba/wherebugsgo/Bill Murray/Palmar during the night. I want their credibility shot to hell." "If not ask a question / speculate about the setup and possible roles" austinmcc does basically both these things in one post... It just came to my mind. | ||
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My first real order to you is to attack sandroba/wherebugsgo/Bill Murray/Palmar during the night. I want their credibility shot to hell. Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying. The votes were moving all over the place day 1, and people need to be held accountable. yes. I was like "WTF", too but luckily there are 6 names in it... | ||
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He counts as mafia, but he wins with town. If in the OP are 7/9 mafia, there are in fact only 6/9 mafia alive because one is the traitor. We don't have to lynch him. | ||
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On July 27 2012 16:14 supersoft wrote: whyt you guys dont undertand is, that we don't have to lynch the traitor. He counts as mafia, but he wins with town. If in the OP are 7/9 mafia, there are in fact only 6/9 mafia alive because one is the traitor. We don't have to lynch him. he wins with town, means he doesn't have to be dead to win... imagine if he was the last man alive. Would mafia win then? | ||
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On July 27 2012 14:31 Bill Murray wrote: I forced supersoft (by stealing his vote) to vote onto sloosh "Protactinium vote stolen 7/27 05:30" On July 27 2012 04:33 supersoft wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: slOosh nice move. | ||
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If austin is telling the truth, risk is scum, too and to be honest, i do believe him at this point of time. If he is scum, this claim makes no sense. Trading basically 1v1 at this point of time doesn't make any sense. + i recently reread some passages of the game and some players and risk.nuke is still scummy in my eyes. QBert and Gonzaw, too. Especially QBertZ is confirmed scum on my list. Other possible scumteammembers are Katina and austin himself. Austin would be #5 then. But that list basically was made before his claim... so.. | ||
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On July 28 2012 05:22 syllogism wrote: Chezinu you are incredibly unhelpful. What do you think about these revelations and which PMs did you actually send and who do you think are the remaining mafia? I wonder why you're still talking to him :D He just keeps doing what he does. There is absolutely no way you got any relyable information out of this guy. | ||
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On July 28 2012 06:49 marvellosity wrote: gosh it's dull being vanilla who is the safest lynch at this point given healthy scepticism blablabla? QBert | ||
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##vote for a 24 hours cycle today | ||
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11. Supersoft --- 15. syllogism --- 4. Probulous --- 7. VisceraEyes --- 12. austinmcc up 5. HiroPro --- 20. rastaban up 18. Chezinu --- 21. Mattchew --- 22. marvellosity --- 8. Bill Murray --- 27. Zealos --- 14. Katina down 23. risk.nuke down 24. Q-bert-Z down 9. Gonzaw --- 3 scum alive, 13 townies. If you shoot 1 townie every night, you need about 5 mislynches in a row not to cut us down to a lylo situation. This would be 10 days in realtime if we shorten the days to 24 hours. If Gonzaw is town (lol he isn't), we'll make a mass roleclaim happen tomorrow. Your chance of winning this is 0. | ||
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that list strongy relys on the current flips and roleclaims. if austin lied, he moves all the way down to the bottom instantly. | ||
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On July 29 2012 23:19 marvellosity wrote: well, yea. we're gonna be surprised at some point probably. okay | ||
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On July 30 2012 21:03 syllogism wrote: I think this will be the first game I survive until the end as town 2 nights left ;-) you never know what the medics do | ||
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100% win | ||
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LAUGH okay seriously though. We have QBert and Risk as main suspects left. I highly doubt that one of them flips town. If one flips town, Katina is the choice. I thought about the town-mole theory: The executives and the CEO had no information about any mole and they couldn't PM him. Since our reads on Qbert, Katina and Risk all are grounded on their PM traffic, there is no such mole, or at least their cases don't point to such a mole. | ||
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On July 31 2012 07:50 Probulous wrote: We are lynching Risk first right? We know Gonzaw's message was genuine and he hasn't contributed at all this game. The case against him is the clearest in my mind so we lynch him first. The QBert thing relies on us correctly interpreting that crumb as him trying to out himself as a mole. I am most uncertain about Katina so the others go first. aaah alright I didnt think of it from this angle yes. hmmm probably yes. it does make sense then, sure. | ||
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go ahead and kill qbertZ please :-) | ||
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On August 01 2012 03:02 supersoft wrote: alright then katina seems to be clear then stupid iphone. qbertz next. | ||
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Woa, i was so happy when i saw that i was the only one who shot foolish and my shot wasn't wasted | ||
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+ QbertZs reaction confirmed him to be scum for me. (asking for a modkill lol) And you should eat your hat now, btw. You played very well. happy birthday ;-o | ||
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On August 01 2012 05:34 VisceraEyes wrote: It's cool, better players than you agree with you. And yeah, I'll post a pic when I have time. A REAL pic...of me REALLY eating my hat. Unlike some imitators you might be familiar with. WORD! | ||
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On August 01 2012 06:01 risk.nuke wrote: I did start out enjoying this game but it didn't last long. The problem was this game was to hard to play as scum. This game felt like the easiest walk in the park for town because scum needs to figure themselves out, so if they think someone is scum they can't push for their lycnhes unless you want to buss every day. So breaking the game... See who doesn't push scummy people. Kill those people. During day 1 I believed. Layabout, Foolishness, Bill Murray, Gonzaw, Meapak, GGQ, Q-bert-Z and Palmar was mafia. Which was 6/8 correct. The same thing goes with town. If you attacked scummy behavior you pretty much cleared yourself because scum couldn't do this. Supersoft, prob, vicera etc and more did this and was obv-town. Though maybe we just played poorly. I'd like to hear more from the hosts how we should had played. And don't give me any you need to organise yourselves better nonsense or you were lazy. Speak specifics please, what should we had done. How should we had used our powers. Looking at the powerroles. The scum powers sucked. We had 1 kp, 1 pardon a pm power and kp to kill the traitor. My own powers only usefullness I guess seemed to be if we lost all top communication. I planned on using it to claim 1-shot cop which reveals the alignment in the daypost. Though that failed when people started posting scum pm's all over the thread because apparently town had pm-cops. Against this the town had all sorts of stuff from promotion powers (double lynch) to BM's votestealer/cop role and this is what I really disliked and what absolutely ruined the whole setup for me. PM-spying powers that was good as hell. And worst of all we had no idea about roles like that existed so how the hell do we defend ourselves against that. It wasn't as if our communcation was crippled enough. So as I said if I'm just wrong and dumb please tell me because right now I'm just feeling petty and angry because I don't feel this setup was fair. well I agree with you that the setup was kind of imbalanced. I couldn't believe it until the end, that we have 2 kingmakers, 2 PM readerguys, 2 PM writerguys, a mole, one nuke and dreamflower. I didn't even know that syllo is hider - I was pretty sure that he rolled vet. + Compared to my role, the other roles seemed to be pretty strong. I also thought that BH role was bugged and he dies if he hits scum, is that correct? Was it a typo? | ||
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On August 01 2012 12:21 gonzaw wrote: I don't get how that Palmar wagon just happened out of thin air. Like...BH died, and everybody was like "Yeah let's kill Palmar" and then other people were like "Okay" and that's it. after foolishness flip, the game was solved. palmar had to be scum :D syllo was confirmed town for me from that point of time and we pushed palmar agressively while he was afk. there was nothing he could do against that lynch ^_^ | ||
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i am glad you played scummy on purpose btw. i was pretty disappointed that you were no executive ;-) | ||
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(and VE d3 and prob d4) | ||
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