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On September 19 2012 17:54 Blazinghand wrote:HiroPro you've been about as useful as a trapdoor on a lifeboat. Your filter, short as it is, includes literally no thoughts on Marv and your thoughts on prplhz are minimal and constrained to incoherent questions and statements about my case on him. The closest you get to making a read on him is this post which is about as crappy as the rest of your filter. I demand you take stances on both of these players, provide reads (rather than just asking inane questions) and reasons for the reads before the flip happens. Anything less than that is hurting town.
You want to know specifics about prplhz? Fine.
I'm pretty null on him. He's only done one thing this game that really makes me suspicious and it's that he said he has reservations about marv being scum but doesn't want to talk about them right now.
On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote: I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate. There's no reason for a townie to hide something like that - if you have something that makes you a little unsure of your scum read, you either discuss it with others or you ask them questions pertaining to that. You don't hide it and go "yea I have doubts, but I don't want to talk about it". There is scum motivation, though in that it allows you to shed responsibility after the lynch if that person is town.
Now there a lot of small things about prplhz that kinda make me say he's town. The biggest is the way that he treats Palmar's opinion. When I've seen town prplhz play he's always been someone who listens a lot to the opinions of vets that he trusts. Good examples of this are Liar Game (where prplhz basically decides to completely sheep Palmar/Syllo's "I'm King" plan for no other reason than that he thinks Palmar/Syllo is good and trying). Or Pick Your Poison (where he completely shifts his view on what role is good to give to mafia based only on the fact that Radfield argued otherwise). The part in the game where he expresses a small suspicion of marv but then really only fully jumps on it after Palmar agrees with him is something that really strikes me as town prplhz.
On May 01 2012 08:06 prplhz wrote: I'm feeling like it was a really bad thing that we didn't just have Palmogisfield pick out 6-7 townies and then everybody else should go majority. Imagine if we did this and every townie complied, imagine that. Pretty good. People are all "but there's going to be someone who doesn't do it and then the world will implode and we will instantly lose to scum because of a lot of doomsayery i'm going make up on the spot" and I have no idea where they're coming from.
I'd volunteer to go to the majority 'cause I feel useless anyway. I'm probably going to flip coins until day[9] 'cause you can't have reads before then anyway.
On May 01 2012 05:13 prplhz wrote: If there's no plan then it's probably going to be 2-4 scum in the majority. If there is a vigilante of sort or other similar role then we can use that to kill of bad guys in the minority.
Since it looks like people don't like round A plans then how about round B plans? I think it was Meapak_Ziphh who said "X votes X+1" and then the minority votes for the townier people. Bad thing is that we don't get majority to vote on anything so no information, and if we just flip coins for round A then people never get to put their money where their mouth is. I'm still for the Palmogisfield-plan (wazzup) where those three just decide whatever and put 6-7 townies in the minority. If we're dissatisfied with their picks then we can just replace some of them tomorrow. Just because we ditched the claim idea doesn't mean we have to ditch everything that any of those said.
On May 30 2012 22:31 prplhz wrote: Okay I'm convinced by Radfield. Either we get investigative roles we can trust, or we get roles from vigilante/medic/child pool which is pretty sweet. Both child and vigilante can easily confirm themselves and a medic save would extend the game by a full day.
Anyway, I'm voting for role blocker. I was a little worried about role blocker interfering with power roles but the chance of even hitting power roles isn't that big and we shouldn't rely on them too much anyway.
On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote:The thing that pushed me over the edge with marvellosity was what I mentioned here (and you'll notice that this was before Palmar commented on it). I don't think that town marvellosity would find HiroPro's argument convincing at all. This befuddled me a bit because I'm a slow thinker and admittedly, seeing that a towny looking Palmar saw the same thing as me made me feel more strongly about it. Actually so strongly about it that I voted marvellosity.
The fact that he has a lot of town reads but not much in the way of scum reads is not something that I find suspicious. It fits him.
As for marv, I'm leaning town on him. Some of it is that he's had similar reads to me. Some of it is that he's been willing to further discussion when I think as scum he'd be much more willing to just let town wallow around.
The point that a lot of people seem to like (about marv treating his own OMGUS as a town tell) is not very suspicious at all. marv is actually kind of a huge hypocrite when it comes to himself. The below statement is from movie star. If you look at his filter from movie star, you'll see tons of statements like this. marv genuinely believes that he doesn't do general scummy things when he's scum and that the general scummy stuff he does is actually a sign of him being town.
On June 22 2012 22:53 marvellosity wrote: That's because my scumplay is so fucking awesome no-one ever suspects me, and so I have very few tells to differentiate my play (as far as I'm aware!).
I agree it wasn't ideal and if I had my time again I'd just answer the question the first time.
Also don't blame me for taking the focus off others. I didn't force you to make your entire post about me, you could have commented on anything else, yet you chose not to.
Palmar's case on marv is honestly not very convincing or good at all in my opinion. It's possible though that he could come up with it as town.
I am completely up for lynching hapahauli today. I have no idea why people think that him being talkative or sharing reads on everyone is a big town tell, because it's something that while townies are more likely to be like that, mafia are certainly capable of playing like. From what little I've skimmed of hapahauli's games he seems to be very comfortable playing an open, active mafia style (Newbie XXI).
If you've missed it, hapahauli didn't remember his own reads:
On September 19 2012 01:11 HiroPro wrote: As for hapa:
In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss
Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it.
hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case.
His response:
On September 19 2012 01:45 Hapahauli wrote:Have an hour between classes to catch up on the last few pages. Will post as I catch up, but first the recent page of events: @ HiroPro:Show nested quote + hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case.
Apologies if I ignored you before - I got caught up in Zeph's case most of last night and didn't think about much else. But you do bring up a good point on that mementoss post (in regards to him defending himself), and I'll concede that as a contradiction. I'll withdraw my vote on MMtoss for now. Also Hiro, I'm also eager to hear what you think about marv's case + vote on you. ##Unvote
Forgetting your own read is a huge mafia tell. Mafia know the answers already. They know who's really town and who's really mafia, so it's hard for them to keep track of the fake feelings that they have about others. Hapa's response to my point (which came well after I made it and only when I decided to pressure him), was basically just to say "Yea that was scummy". That's not an explanation at all and doesn't offer any kind of town motivation. It's the statement of scum that knows they fucked up and don't have a response.
##Unvote ##Vote Hapahauli
For the other lynches that I see, I'd be in favor of austin. A little bit because of what marv has said (the actual explanations for his obvious comment only coming when under significant pressure.
But it's mostly because of the way in which he's treated the case on Mementoss that he's brought up (not what he's said, which is mostly stuff that could be scummy, but is really mostly just a weak tell, but the way in which he's said it.). I've seen austin come back from generally not doing much and then proceeding to post a case on a fairly new target (he did it in Bureaucracy to Sandroba and then gave a read on GGQ when I asked him).
In that game he was very bold with the way he pushed his case. His thing was completely off but he treated it like a guaranteed case, called out sandroba when no one else was, and just gave off this confident and aggressive attitude. I had found him scummy before that but the way in which he was so bold despite lurking before really struck me as townie.
Look at the way that he's come back from an absence in this game though. He's apologetic about being gone, he's apologetic about offering a new candidate when there are already other options on the table. He at first throws out two names which look fairly easy and then only later once people pressure him for it, does he decide to read through and go somewhere else. This is scummy.
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On September 20 2012 03:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 03:22 HiroPro wrote: For the other lynches that I see, I'd be in favor of austin. A little bit because of what marv has said (the actual explanations for his obvious comment only coming when under significant pressure.
But it's mostly because of the way in which he's treated the case on Mementoss that he's brought up (not what he's said, which is mostly stuff that could be scummy, but is really mostly just a weak tell, but the way in which he's said it.). I've seen austin come back from generally not doing much and then proceeding to post a case on a fairly new target (he did it in Bureaucracy to Sandroba and then gave a read on GGQ when I asked him).
In that game he was very bold with the way he pushed his case. His thing was completely off but he treated it like a guaranteed case, called out sandroba when no one else was, and just gave off this confident and aggressive attitude. I had found him scummy before that but the way in which he was so bold despite lurking before really struck me as townie.
Look at the way that he's come back from an absence in this game though. He's apologetic about being gone, he's apologetic about offering a new candidate when there are already other options on the table. He at first throws out two names which look fairly easy and then only later once people pressure him for it, does he decide to read through and go somewhere else. This is scummy. I can see where you're getting this, but you should take another look at Bureaucracy. I called out Sandroba because I thought he was actually scum, yes. But I explained that one reason I was pushing it so hard is that I wanted to survive for a while and had seen that newish guy + paranoid case = survive. As long as you don't come off scummy and you generally tank your cred, scum has no reason to kill you and you live for a bit (See: my experience in LV and my explanation for my Bureaucracy conduct). I wanted more days to check more messages that game with my role, so it made sense to play that way. After that, I'm pretty sure I slipped back again and didn't do too much. I DO think my conduct this game looks scummier than that play. I don't have a townie reason for it. But look at the timing on my return post and the mementoss post. I'm not only looking up mementoss because I'm getting crap for being away. I was actually off looking at things right after returning, and that was already in the works. Reading through some filters wasn't a response to pressure there. It's a way of trying to contribute beyond just saying "Here's some stuff I think about what's already happened that others have probably said."
I don't see anywhere in Bureaucracy where you explained that you were purposely trying to come off as paranoid.
On September 19 2012 22:41 austinmcc wrote: I have been absent. I am getting this vote into thread because the deadline is coming. I like it better than the other options that MIGHT be legitimate at this point, which seem to be ... just marv?
##Vote: prplhz
I think I'd much rather lynch bluelightz, unless there's been any action on that front, but I don't believe that's going to happen.
Why would you make a post like this without fully reading the thread? It's not like anyone had just asked you for your opinion on those two. I don't buy the deadline explanation you gave - there was plenty of time still left in the day.
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No one wants to lynch hapa?
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k, I'm switching to austin. His responses to me are trash.
##Unvote ##Vote austinmcc
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On September 20 2012 04:09 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 04:06 HiroPro wrote: k, I'm switching to austin. His responses to me are trash.
##Unvote ##Vote austinmcc Gave you some differences between bureaucracy and here. Gave you the reason that I played like I did in bureaucracy. As to your questions about the prplhz/bluelightz question, is there ANY actual good explanation? I don't think there is. You can vote me because of that post, but you shouldn't be voting me based on my responses. That post sucked ass. It's not the sort of thing you can shine up and make pretty with an explanation. It's nitpicky, but ... there's seriously no good explanation there, so there's no non-trashy response.
Your responses aren't scummy by themselves, but they do nothing to actually convince me that you're town. Even if I completely disregard the meta from bureaucracy, the way that you came back is still scummy. Your responses have just been the final part in that you say stuff like "I DO think my conduct this game looks scummier than that play.", which is completely useless. I don't know what a townie response to my point about prp/bz would be because it's incredibly hard for me to believe that a townie would lightly pick two candidates like that when they were actually building a case on someone else.
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On September 21 2012 00:16 marvellosity wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 21 2012 00:10 Blazinghand wrote: In terms of what we hold Palmar accountable for D1, it's "pushing his case poorly and defending prplhz not at all despite thinking he's town and prplhz being the biggest wagon" Bingo!! On September 19 2012 18:17 Palmar wrote: This prplhz lynch is not good btw, I don't think he's scum now. On September 19 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: Because I don't think he's scum? On September 20 2012 00:15 Palmar wrote: Wtf is this shit, prplhz is not scum look at his big post after he started caring. On September 20 2012 04:21 Palmar wrote:
Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses.
On September 20 2012 04:43 Palmar wrote: Fuck it. I'm off for a bit.
I'll rather no-lynch than do a dumb lynch so see you guys later. On September 19 2012 18:23 Ange777 wrote: I'll check marv's filter one more time. Meanwhile, tell me why you don't wanna lynch prplhz. On September 20 2012 05:22 Ange777 wrote:EBWODP: Oh and I am still waiting for an answer to this, I don't think I have seen a reply to it yet: Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 20:28 Ange777 wrote:On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote: I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate. So when is it "later"? How do you want to convince us into lynching your allegedly top scum read when you yourself have reservations you are not willing to share with us? On September 20 2012 00:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 00:15 Palmar wrote: Get off my Hapa bro's case.
Wtf is this shit, prplhz is not scum look at his big post after he started caring. why does that make him town? AT NO TIME DID PALMAR WRITE:
Any explanation at all while prplhz was on the chopping block
On September 20 2012 06:03 ghost_403 wrote:prplhz, one of the Sisters in da Band, was kicked out of da Band.
This alone should be enough to lynch Palmar. I don't see a town Palmar just leaving it at that. I see him hollering and screaming if someone is that big a town read for him and on the lynching block.
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Bluelightz's play is not similar to NMM2, lol. I cohosted that game. I haven't payed much attention to his town games (other than WOF, which is an aberration for him), so I dunno about that part.
I remember in NMM2 he was forcing his reads so hard. Like it was obvious that he was going after someone just to look like he was doing something.
The way to catch him is when he slips (he slipped hard that game in the VE-slOosh lynch). Connections work too.
But I haven't see anything from him this game that's really alignment-indicative.
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On September 21 2012 02:00 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 01:59 HiroPro wrote: Bluelightz's play is not similar to NMM2, lol. I cohosted that game. I haven't payed much attention to his town games (other than WOF, which is an aberration for him), so I dunno about that part.
I remember in NMM2 he was forcing his reads so hard. Like it was obvious that he was going after someone just to look like he was doing something.
The way to catch him is when he slips (he slipped hard that game in the VE-slOosh lynch). Connections work too.
But I haven't see anything from him this game that's really alignment-indicative. This is what his case on prplzh reads like to me.
Hm, this is kind of true. I was looking more at his thing on Mementoss.
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On September 21 2012 08:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 08:44 Hapahauli wrote:Austin, can you clarify something for me? ... Again, I had the same exact feeling that ange was active around deadline, but the timing didn't match up. She had a lot of activity in the hour or two before the lynch, but she did NOTHING with the claims. She seemed more worried about iamperfection's vote that the claims themselves, as that's her only comment between asking if prplz could confirm hapa's mason claim and then commenting that she was waiting for the flip 3 minutes after deadline. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the bolded. 5 minutes to deadline - nice claims 3 minutes to deadline - "are you confirming mason?" That's it. She seems to disbelieve the claims, but then asks "are you confirming mason?" However, she doesn't care about the answer. 3 minutes after deadline she's just waiting for flip. It really reminds me of something I semi-caught from Mattchew in Can't Believe. He asked for reads on marv, 2 people gave townreads on marv, then Mattchew votes marv. It made it look like he was just asking the question, but didn't care about responses. Ange asks if prplhz is confirming the mason claim, but doesn't do anything after. Doesn't push him hard for an answer. Doesn't even say if she believes the claim or not, which a lot of people were doing. She just throws that question out there 3 minutes before deadline, and is back 3 minutes after deadline to say "Where's the flip?" I don't feel that her silence after that question is townie. She should at least be concerned about the answer if she's going to ask. But she doesn't seem to have been concerned, and she didn't say anything about whether or not she believed the mason claim, found them town/scum, etc.
On September 21 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote:Marv also pointed this out and anges second explanation is just as logically flawed as the first. Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 05:40 Ange777 wrote:@iamperfectino: On September 20 2012 05:23 iamperfection wrote:On September 20 2012 05:16 austinmcc wrote:On September 20 2012 05:14 iamperfection wrote: Raise your hand if you are here Explain your vote if you are here On September 20 2012 04:51 Ange777 wrote:On September 20 2012 04:47 iamperfection wrote:On September 20 2012 04:38 marvellosity wrote: sounds like some epic phone posting gone wrong You know me to well. I meant to say it is reasonable for me to follow my town reads because they are usually right So you are not voting austin because you think he is scummy but because you hope that your town reads found scum? I did you didn't like the explanation. And I'm starting to not like my explanation What's this? @marv: On September 20 2012 05:30 marvellosity wrote:On September 20 2012 05:15 Ange777 wrote:Okay, so I am trying to understand this case against austin. On September 19 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote:austin: yeah, I think I most of all want to lynch austin. Some of it's gonna be a rehash, but it's important for the whole thing. The reason people jumped on austin in the first place: On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. Pretty much generally agreed that this was scummy, so won't delve too much. Where shit starts to diverge is on the response, which people read as townie. There's important time issues to look at. BlazingHand first pushes him to elaborate on it, and we get this as a response: On September 18 2012 07:16 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: If mafia would like to keep hypothetical townie-marv alive to the endgame because of my "policy lynch," then awesome! Mission accomplished! Though in all seriousness, I've read through quite a few of his recent games. He never lives as town past N3 (barring Mad Men Mafia where he was a replacement) in his recent games. If he's alive a long time, there's a very high chance (IMO basically guaranteed chance) of him flipping red.
<3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia.
On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. Elaborate. Now. Elaboration on the second half - Pudding is soft. Munching feels like it requires chewing, crunching. Can't do that with pudding. As to the obvious bit, obvious is the wrong word. I like...neat observations like that. It says something, unsure what, about you that you could pull out the starts to prplhz's game just like POOF. Like, I key in on the initial question more than the actual scummy stuff, because there's a chance that prplhz doesn't realize he's started scum games like that. But ... he has to, right? I gotta leave work, but the thought process is convoluted here. Pudding blabla not satisfactory at all. His 'townie' explanation that follows only comes after me, Hapa, and BH apply further considerable pressure.On September 18 2012 08:03 austinmcc wrote:On September 18 2012 07:21 Blazinghand wrote: The "it's way too scummy, he must be town" argument is dumb on its head. What are you even saying
On September 18 2012 07:23 marvellosity wrote: austin, you're not playing with grush.
speak plainly or die like a little bitch. It's not that it's too scummy to be town. Because the part of your post that I key in on is that prplhz, in two other scum games, and in none of the games he's played as town (out of what you reference), opens in a similar manner. I think you are stretching when you say that the questions are scummy. Yes he can go look the guy up. Yes, he might ought to at least remember that the guy played in a game he hosted. But it's not like...asking a question about who someone is is scummy on its face. There's no scumhunting heuristic for "opens games asking questions about a particular player." It MAY be scummy as applied to prplhz, but it's not like every player who opens like that is probably scum. So then . . . working off that. If it's not scummy on its face, but might be scummy to prplhz, why? There's no objective pushed there, it's not like starting off a game with that post helps a mafia objective. If prplhz is scum and happens to start all his scum games this way, it's just something he does without knowing it. There's no objective pushed. Then finally, if starting games that way as scum is just something prplhz does without knowing it, not to push an objective, then . . . it's almost null? Not getting there in the same way "small sample size" gets there. The train of thought is... (1) This is a thing that prplhz has done in scum games (2) This is a thing that does not further mafia objectives, or actively DO anything really (3) Therefore, it's likely he's just doing it subconsciously (4) If he's doing it subconsciously, then it's not really a tell. Could argue that he only does it subconsciously as scum, but then you get the sample size discussion and there's no real proof either way. So obvious was really the wrong word choice, when I fully go through this. It's not a bad explanation as it goes, and I can see why people viewed it as townie. But the fact is that it only came after his previous, poor explanation. In other words, he had to give a good explanation because he knew a large part of town was hounding him for it. In this context, I believe it loses some of its 'townieness'. I bold the final line as well for a reason. Obvious was the wrong word choice, eh? Look at how austin usually posts - longwinded, carefully thought out. Yet in this instance he'd thrown out his 'obvious' and 'too damning'. It looks like austin is justifying his scummy words after the fact. austin has a few posts subsequently, but they are all focused on his own defence rather than any other scumhunting. Why is he so worried about how others view his defence? Why is he only talking about his own defence rather than being proactive elsewhere? Because he's worried that he needs to appear as town. After these posts, austin has been markedly absent from any of the considerable goings-on in this thread. We don't have an opinion on anyone or anything, except his own defence. His play is marked by being worried by how he appears, rather than finding scum. ##Vote: austinmcc Why does him posting a very poor first explanation before delivering a satisfying reasoning for his behaviour makes him lose "townieness"? Shouldn't the fact that he made such a bad explanation make him more townie as apparentely he was not worried about defending himself when he first made that post? Seeing his recent vastly improved posting (especially his defense and scum-hunting whilst under pressure) I don't think austin is scum. You'll have to explain to me why giving a weak explanation on a weak comment makes him townie, Ange. My train of thought was that he was waffling in his defence to the post, hoping to brush it under the carpet, instead of straight out explaining why he made the vote in the first place. The fact that he needed to be further pressured to clarify his comment makes him lose townieness, because by this point he is forced to make a good explanation or face being lynched. That said, austin's concerns on my company on him are legitimate. iamperfection is giving absolutely no reasoning, and he completely correct that I asked fuba for thoughts on austin, WHO HE IS FUCKNIG VOTING, and he gave me thoughts on Mementoss instead. Arg. My point is that giving a weak explanation fits a town player who should not be scared of being accused as scum. Being town there is no need to write your posts carefully which could lead to a weak first explanation before a satisfying second one. I see your point of view but I don't agree with it. Show nested quote +On September 20 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote: Why are you ninja voting iamperfection??? Only scum would say this. Solely Trying to incriminate iamprefection with the question, when the answer was fucking obvious to anyone and everyone. The conflicting claims when one of them was obviously fake. And it wasn't a ninja vote since there is no voting thread and it was in plain sight. Show nested quote +On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote: also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.
What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz". Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. Ange saying there is no town motivation for iamperfections play is just ridiculous and its actually the opposite. Ange is trying to incriminate him and put together a case against someone she doesn't find dangerous. Someone that won't come back and call her out. Someone that won't attempt to call her on her shit. Town motivation for switching votes, you thought the claim was fake and ridiculous so you changed your vote to who you thought was scum. Any reasonable town in the thread WOULD make this switch. Scum motivation for making this switch? There is none, why would scum want to last minute switch onto a townie? Why would scum want to out themselves by doing this? He could have easily pretended not to be in the thread.
This looks good to me. I'm fine with lynching ange. Palmar still hasn't done anything that makes me think he's town. I'd be fine with lynching him too.
##Vote ange77
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What Palmar stuff? All I see is him still saying stuff without giving reasons for any of it. He's scum.
Bluelightz is pretty null. I don't see anything scummy about him not sharing his town reads outright. And the "overkill" point isn't very good. Bluelightz just honestly posts weird.
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My cases don't target people that are easy targets. Take prplhz for example, he did call me scummy. And I have not made a case on mkfuba. I had simply announced that I would re-read his filter. I started to question Palmar. I don't think that you would call him an easy target would you?
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On September 22 2012 08:37 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 08:36 HiroPro wrote: My cases don't target people that are easy targets. Take prplhz for example, he did call me scummy. And I have not made a case on mkfuba. I had simply announced that I would re-read his filter. I started to question Palmar. I don't think that you would call him an easy target would you?
rofl What?
prplhz calling you scummy makes it not an easy target. yes, makes perfect sense. has nothing to do with the amount of people going after him or the attention on him.
and lol "questioning" palmar is not the same as calling him scum or making a case.
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austin, why do you always ask such weird questions?
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hmph, I'll figure it out.
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k, we lynch palmar?
kk
##Unvote ##Vote Palmar
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why you got to hate on me Mementoss?
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I didn't push my case on hapa because there was no one who actually seemed willing to vote for him.
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Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta
Are you kidding me?
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Yes because "being useful" is such an amazing indicator of whether someone is scum or not. Go read my filter, it's clear you haven't.
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ptp3 was kind of an aberration for me lol.
but man, this is dumb. like Palmar is scum - I don't understand how you guys don't see it...
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