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HiroPro
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I wanna lynch goodkarma. That first post of his is really cautious (barely pressures BH even though he calls out a perceived contradiction and then calls prplhz's play scummy but doesn't throw a vote down on it) He then proceeds to bring up a point of discussion (lynching lurkers), which he himself admits likely won't happen this game. ##Vote goodkarma | ||
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On September 18 2012 08:26 Blazinghand wrote: Yes, you have successfully posted a link to prplhz' filter in Mad Men. Would you like a cookie? A gold star? It must have been a lot of effort for you, and you really made yourself clear. You're fearless, and aren't afraid to vote first (link) and ratchet up the pressure afterwards (link) which may not be the best strat, but is definitely townie. You are bullheaded with your reads and aggressive. You don't prod first then vote, you vote then prod. All this in a game in which admittedly there are people you don't know at all. It's what a townie would do. Explain to me where exactly prplhz had an opportunity in the game to display behavior like this. And while you're at it, show me what the difference is between prplhz's first three posts in Mad Men and his posts so far. Because I don't see anything. | ||
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You tried to compare a full day 1 filter to like 5 posts made in the first page. Again, how is that a valid comparison? The rest of your case is all on 1 similar question. That's beyond stupid. | ||
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On September 18 2012 08:54 Blazinghand wrote: ...what? prplhz made his vote on glasse when glasse's filter has 5 posts. He did it based on the posts I have quoted there. How the hell is that an "opportunity" when the stuff that's happened so far this game isn't an opportunity? Please explain your reasoning, because somehow it eludes me. I suspect we are thinking on different levels. Right but when you made your case, there had only been 1 page of total discussion in the thread. | ||
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On September 18 2012 08:55 Hapahauli wrote: Looks like we're on the same page about BH's case Hiro. Thoughts on mmtoss? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=5#91 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=5#97 Not interested right now. You 're the one who said this: In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss It's understandable that he'd defend his vote as not being "too early". I don't see anything wrong with what he said about austin. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:14 goodkarma wrote: And prplhz has recently made a post that shows he is actually interested in scumhunting. It doesn't mean he's town, but given the case against him was largely based on meta, and his recent behavior (at least in my opinion) has been pro-town, I don't feel he's a good lynch candidate right now. This is why I give people a chance to discuss their viewpoints early, as otherwise I'd be vote swapping like a ridiculous amount through the first day and I don't feel this really helps at all. What was it specifically about prplhz's post that you liked? | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:04 Ange777 wrote: Because? Can't you give a reason when you are suddenly stating town or scum reads? Look at goodkarma's posts and what I've already said about him. Look at the voting in the thread. We have like 6 or 7 candidates each with one vote. That's a recipe for town disaster. And then look at what Palmar comes in and does - he throws three completely new candidates into the mix and doesn't give any real reason for them being scum. He's not trying to actually lead town onto a successful lynch, he's just trying to cause chaos. As for hapa: In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case. | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:45 Hapahauli wrote: Have an hour between classes to catch up on the last few pages. Will post as I catch up, but first the recent page of events: @ HiroPro: Apologies if I ignored you before - I got caught up in Zeph's case most of last night and didn't think about much else. But you do bring up a good point on that mementoss post (in regards to him defending himself), and I'll concede that as a contradiction. I'll withdraw my vote on MMtoss for now. Also Hiro, I'm also eager to hear what you think about marv's case + vote on you. ##Unvote There's nothing worth responding to. The only thing marv said was "hiro hasn't done much". | ||
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On September 19 2012 02:25 Hapahauli wrote: @ Marv Regarding this: Why do you find Hiro's point compelling if you think he's mafia? You had your vote firmly on him at this point, and I don't understand why you'd be all of a sudden so willing to listen to, what appears to me as a weak observation about Palmar? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1. Why are my points on goodkarma/Palmar weak. Explain. | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:37 HiroPro wrote: perfection, I'd like to hear what you think about my point on hapahauli. Let's not get carried away on the marv thing yet (@ prplhz). I'm generally very hesitant when lynching vets unless there's a really good case against them. I still need some answers, namely... Is this something that hapa normally feels? I remember him voting for Palmar in DN for no other reason than that Palmar was trolling. | ||
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The entire thing: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:56 Mementoss wrote: I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv. ##vote: prplhz Blazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote: ... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize? If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss On September 18 2012 07:12 Mementoss wrote: I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote: Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. On September 18 2012 08:02 Mementoss wrote: 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote @ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. @ mmtoss - Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference: Dayyyyum son. ##Vote mementoss The important part: On September 18 2012 07:04 Hapahauli wrote: ... or it's not obvious at all, and it's a typical bad D1 case making insane meta connections with barely any samplesize? If you're pressuring him or whatever, cool, but the case is in no way "damning" or "TOO obvious." In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss On September 18 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote: ##Unvote @ Austinmcc - Well posted and thanks for explaining your rationale. Enough for me to take the vote off for now. @ mmtoss - Point 1) is fine alone. It's the rest of your post that starts spiraling. Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. Point 4 is a red flag for me in that you are soft-pushing suspicion on him. For reference: Dayyyyum son. ##Vote mementoss | ||
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Then we have bluelightz, who is very aware of his lack of contributions but isn't doing more. He had a huge post on mementoss similar to his playstyle, but he hasn't done much since. You consider this scummy from bluelightz? Knowing him, I'd be more concerned if he was actually trying to look useful. | ||
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I can hardly follow up on my question to goodkarma when he got replaced... Zeph told me all that I need to know when he said it was purely on the meta - not something that I agree with but not something that I find suspicious. | ||
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On September 19 2012 17:54 Blazinghand wrote: HiroPro you've been about as useful as a trapdoor on a lifeboat. Your filter, short as it is, includes literally no thoughts on Marv and your thoughts on prplhz are minimal and constrained to incoherent questions and statements about my case on him. The closest you get to making a read on him is this post which is about as crappy as the rest of your filter. I demand you take stances on both of these players, provide reads (rather than just asking inane questions) and reasons for the reads before the flip happens. Anything less than that is hurting town. You want to know specifics about prplhz? Fine. I'm pretty null on him. He's only done one thing this game that really makes me suspicious and it's that he said he has reservations about marv being scum but doesn't want to talk about them right now. On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote: I have some small reservations with the marvellosity lynch that I can tell you about later but for now he's my top candidate. There's no reason for a townie to hide something like that - if you have something that makes you a little unsure of your scum read, you either discuss it with others or you ask them questions pertaining to that. You don't hide it and go "yea I have doubts, but I don't want to talk about it". There is scum motivation, though in that it allows you to shed responsibility after the lynch if that person is town. Now there a lot of small things about prplhz that kinda make me say he's town. The biggest is the way that he treats Palmar's opinion. When I've seen town prplhz play he's always been someone who listens a lot to the opinions of vets that he trusts. Good examples of this are Liar Game (where prplhz basically decides to completely sheep Palmar/Syllo's "I'm King" plan for no other reason than that he thinks Palmar/Syllo is good and trying). Or Pick Your Poison (where he completely shifts his view on what role is good to give to mafia based only on the fact that Radfield argued otherwise). The part in the game where he expresses a small suspicion of marv but then really only fully jumps on it after Palmar agrees with him is something that really strikes me as town prplhz. On May 01 2012 08:06 prplhz wrote: I'm feeling like it was a really bad thing that we didn't just have Palmogisfield pick out 6-7 townies and then everybody else should go majority. Imagine if we did this and every townie complied, imagine that. Pretty good. People are all "but there's going to be someone who doesn't do it and then the world will implode and we will instantly lose to scum because of a lot of doomsayery i'm going make up on the spot" and I have no idea where they're coming from. I'd volunteer to go to the majority 'cause I feel useless anyway. I'm probably going to flip coins until day[9] 'cause you can't have reads before then anyway. On May 01 2012 05:13 prplhz wrote: If there's no plan then it's probably going to be 2-4 scum in the majority. If there is a vigilante of sort or other similar role then we can use that to kill of bad guys in the minority. Since it looks like people don't like round A plans then how about round B plans? I think it was Meapak_Ziphh who said "X votes X+1" and then the minority votes for the townier people. Bad thing is that we don't get majority to vote on anything so no information, and if we just flip coins for round A then people never get to put their money where their mouth is. I'm still for the Palmogisfield-plan (wazzup) where those three just decide whatever and put 6-7 townies in the minority. If we're dissatisfied with their picks then we can just replace some of them tomorrow. Just because we ditched the claim idea doesn't mean we have to ditch everything that any of those said. On May 30 2012 22:31 prplhz wrote: Okay I'm convinced by Radfield. Either we get investigative roles we can trust, or we get roles from vigilante/medic/child pool which is pretty sweet. Both child and vigilante can easily confirm themselves and a medic save would extend the game by a full day. Anyway, I'm voting for role blocker. I was a little worried about role blocker interfering with power roles but the chance of even hitting power roles isn't that big and we shouldn't rely on them too much anyway. On September 19 2012 06:54 prplhz wrote: The thing that pushed me over the edge with marvellosity was what I mentioned here (and you'll notice that this was before Palmar commented on it). I don't think that town marvellosity would find HiroPro's argument convincing at all. This befuddled me a bit because I'm a slow thinker and admittedly, seeing that a towny looking Palmar saw the same thing as me made me feel more strongly about it. Actually so strongly about it that I voted marvellosity. The fact that he has a lot of town reads but not much in the way of scum reads is not something that I find suspicious. It fits him. As for marv, I'm leaning town on him. Some of it is that he's had similar reads to me. Some of it is that he's been willing to further discussion when I think as scum he'd be much more willing to just let town wallow around. The point that a lot of people seem to like (about marv treating his own OMGUS as a town tell) is not very suspicious at all. marv is actually kind of a huge hypocrite when it comes to himself. The below statement is from movie star. If you look at his filter from movie star, you'll see tons of statements like this. marv genuinely believes that he doesn't do general scummy things when he's scum and that the general scummy stuff he does is actually a sign of him being town. On June 22 2012 22:53 marvellosity wrote: That's because my scumplay is so fucking awesome no-one ever suspects me, and so I have very few tells to differentiate my play (as far as I'm aware!). I agree it wasn't ideal and if I had my time again I'd just answer the question the first time. Also don't blame me for taking the focus off others. I didn't force you to make your entire post about me, you could have commented on anything else, yet you chose not to. Palmar's case on marv is honestly not very convincing or good at all in my opinion. It's possible though that he could come up with it as town. I am completely up for lynching hapahauli today. I have no idea why people think that him being talkative or sharing reads on everyone is a big town tell, because it's something that while townies are more likely to be like that, mafia are certainly capable of playing like. From what little I've skimmed of hapahauli's games he seems to be very comfortable playing an open, active mafia style (Newbie XXI). If you've missed it, hapahauli didn't remember his own reads: On September 19 2012 01:11 HiroPro wrote: As for hapa: In fact, I'd expect scum to be the people most willing to be jumping on BH's case without so much as a thought. Namely austinmcc and mementoss Why are you making excuses for voting too early (point 2 + 3)? Cool, you're voting early, no one is suspicious of you for it... and then you make pro-active excuses for it. hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case. His response: On September 19 2012 01:45 Hapahauli wrote: Have an hour between classes to catch up on the last few pages. Will post as I catch up, but first the recent page of events: @ HiroPro: Apologies if I ignored you before - I got caught up in Zeph's case most of last night and didn't think about much else. But you do bring up a good point on that mementoss post (in regards to him defending himself), and I'll concede that as a contradiction. I'll withdraw my vote on MMtoss for now. Also Hiro, I'm also eager to hear what you think about marv's case + vote on you. ##Unvote Forgetting your own read is a huge mafia tell. Mafia know the answers already. They know who's really town and who's really mafia, so it's hard for them to keep track of the fake feelings that they have about others. Hapa's response to my point (which came well after I made it and only when I decided to pressure him), was basically just to say "Yea that was scummy". That's not an explanation at all and doesn't offer any kind of town motivation. It's the statement of scum that knows they fucked up and don't have a response. ##Unvote ##Vote Hapahauli For the other lynches that I see, I'd be in favor of austin. A little bit because of what marv has said (the actual explanations for his obvious comment only coming when under significant pressure. But it's mostly because of the way in which he's treated the case on Mementoss that he's brought up (not what he's said, which is mostly stuff that could be scummy, but is really mostly just a weak tell, but the way in which he's said it.). I've seen austin come back from generally not doing much and then proceeding to post a case on a fairly new target (he did it in Bureaucracy to Sandroba and then gave a read on GGQ when I asked him). In that game he was very bold with the way he pushed his case. His thing was completely off but he treated it like a guaranteed case, called out sandroba when no one else was, and just gave off this confident and aggressive attitude. I had found him scummy before that but the way in which he was so bold despite lurking before really struck me as townie. Look at the way that he's come back from an absence in this game though. He's apologetic about being gone, he's apologetic about offering a new candidate when there are already other options on the table. He at first throws out two names which look fairly easy and then only later once people pressure him for it, does he decide to read through and go somewhere else. This is scummy. | ||
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On September 20 2012 03:30 austinmcc wrote: I can see where you're getting this, but you should take another look at Bureaucracy. I called out Sandroba because I thought he was actually scum, yes. But I explained that one reason I was pushing it so hard is that I wanted to survive for a while and had seen that newish guy + paranoid case = survive. As long as you don't come off scummy and you generally tank your cred, scum has no reason to kill you and you live for a bit (See: my experience in LV and my explanation for my Bureaucracy conduct). I wanted more days to check more messages that game with my role, so it made sense to play that way. After that, I'm pretty sure I slipped back again and didn't do too much. I DO think my conduct this game looks scummier than that play. I don't have a townie reason for it. But look at the timing on my return post and the mementoss post. I'm not only looking up mementoss because I'm getting crap for being away. I was actually off looking at things right after returning, and that was already in the works. Reading through some filters wasn't a response to pressure there. It's a way of trying to contribute beyond just saying "Here's some stuff I think about what's already happened that others have probably said." I don't see anywhere in Bureaucracy where you explained that you were purposely trying to come off as paranoid. On September 19 2012 22:41 austinmcc wrote: I have been absent. I am getting this vote into thread because the deadline is coming. I like it better than the other options that MIGHT be legitimate at this point, which seem to be ... just marv? ##Vote: prplhz I think I'd much rather lynch bluelightz, unless there's been any action on that front, but I don't believe that's going to happen. Why would you make a post like this without fully reading the thread? It's not like anyone had just asked you for your opinion on those two. I don't buy the deadline explanation you gave - there was plenty of time still left in the day. | ||
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On September 20 2012 04:09 austinmcc wrote: Gave you some differences between bureaucracy and here. Gave you the reason that I played like I did in bureaucracy. As to your questions about the prplhz/bluelightz question, is there ANY actual good explanation? I don't think there is. You can vote me because of that post, but you shouldn't be voting me based on my responses. That post sucked ass. It's not the sort of thing you can shine up and make pretty with an explanation. It's nitpicky, but ... there's seriously no good explanation there, so there's no non-trashy response. Your responses aren't scummy by themselves, but they do nothing to actually convince me that you're town. Even if I completely disregard the meta from bureaucracy, the way that you came back is still scummy. Your responses have just been the final part in that you say stuff like "I DO think my conduct this game looks scummier than that play.", which is completely useless. I don't know what a townie response to my point about prp/bz would be because it's incredibly hard for me to believe that a townie would lightly pick two candidates like that when they were actually building a case on someone else. | ||
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On September 21 2012 00:16 marvellosity wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 00:10 Blazinghand wrote: In terms of what we hold Palmar accountable for D1, it's "pushing his case poorly and defending prplhz not at all despite thinking he's town and prplhz being the biggest wagon" Bingo!! On September 19 2012 18:17 Palmar wrote: This prplhz lynch is not good btw, I don't think he's scum now. On September 19 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: Because I don't think he's scum? On September 20 2012 00:15 Palmar wrote: Wtf is this shit, prplhz is not scum look at his big post after he started caring. On September 20 2012 04:21 Palmar wrote: Here's the deal. prplhz isn't scum. There was a legit concern earlier that he might be but anyone that still thinks he's scum has their heads faaar up their asses. On September 20 2012 04:43 Palmar wrote: Fuck it. I'm off for a bit. I'll rather no-lynch than do a dumb lynch so see you guys later. On September 19 2012 18:23 Ange777 wrote: I'll check marv's filter one more time. Meanwhile, tell me why you don't wanna lynch prplhz. On September 20 2012 05:22 Ange777 wrote: EBWODP: Oh and I am still waiting for an answer to this, I don't think I have seen a reply to it yet: AT NO TIME DID PALMAR WRITE: Any explanation at all while prplhz was on the chopping block On September 20 2012 06:03 ghost_403 wrote: prplhz, one of the Sisters in da Band, was kicked out of da Band. This alone should be enough to lynch Palmar. I don't see a town Palmar just leaving it at that. I see him hollering and screaming if someone is that big a town read for him and on the lynching block. | ||
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I remember in NMM2 he was forcing his reads so hard. Like it was obvious that he was going after someone just to look like he was doing something. The way to catch him is when he slips (he slipped hard that game in the VE-slOosh lynch). Connections work too. But I haven't see anything from him this game that's really alignment-indicative. | ||
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On September 21 2012 02:00 Hapahauli wrote: This is what his case on prplzh reads like to me. Hm, this is kind of true. I was looking more at his thing on Mementoss. | ||
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On September 21 2012 08:49 austinmcc wrote: 5 minutes to deadline - nice claims 3 minutes to deadline - "are you confirming mason?" That's it. She seems to disbelieve the claims, but then asks "are you confirming mason?" However, she doesn't care about the answer. 3 minutes after deadline she's just waiting for flip. It really reminds me of something I semi-caught from Mattchew in Can't Believe. He asked for reads on marv, 2 people gave townreads on marv, then Mattchew votes marv. It made it look like he was just asking the question, but didn't care about responses. Ange asks if prplhz is confirming the mason claim, but doesn't do anything after. Doesn't push him hard for an answer. Doesn't even say if she believes the claim or not, which a lot of people were doing. She just throws that question out there 3 minutes before deadline, and is back 3 minutes after deadline to say "Where's the flip?" I don't feel that her silence after that question is townie. She should at least be concerned about the answer if she's going to ask. But she doesn't seem to have been concerned, and she didn't say anything about whether or not she believed the mason claim, found them town/scum, etc. On September 21 2012 10:22 Mementoss wrote: Marv also pointed this out and anges second explanation is just as logically flawed as the first. Only scum would say this. Solely Trying to incriminate iamprefection with the question, when the answer was fucking obvious to anyone and everyone. The conflicting claims when one of them was obviously fake. And it wasn't a ninja vote since there is no voting thread and it was in plain sight. Ange saying there is no town motivation for iamperfections play is just ridiculous and its actually the opposite. Ange is trying to incriminate him and put together a case against someone she doesn't find dangerous. Someone that won't come back and call her out. Someone that won't attempt to call her on her shit. Town motivation for switching votes, you thought the claim was fake and ridiculous so you changed your vote to who you thought was scum. Any reasonable town in the thread WOULD make this switch. Scum motivation for making this switch? There is none, why would scum want to last minute switch onto a townie? Why would scum want to out themselves by doing this? He could have easily pretended not to be in the thread. This looks good to me. I'm fine with lynching ange. Palmar still hasn't done anything that makes me think he's town. I'd be fine with lynching him too. ##Vote ange77 | ||
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Bluelightz is pretty null. I don't see anything scummy about him not sharing his town reads outright. And the "overkill" point isn't very good. Bluelightz just honestly posts weird. | ||
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My cases don't target people that are easy targets. Take prplhz for example, he did call me scummy. And I have not made a case on mkfuba. I had simply announced that I would re-read his filter. I started to question Palmar. I don't think that you would call him an easy target would you? rofl | ||
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prplhz calling you scummy makes it not an easy target. yes, makes perfect sense. has nothing to do with the amount of people going after him or the attention on him. and lol "questioning" palmar is not the same as calling him scum or making a case. | ||
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Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta Are you kidding me? | ||
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but man, this is dumb. like Palmar is scum - I don't understand how you guys don't see it... | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:20 Hapahauli wrote: Don't forget, Ange wasn't accurate until D3/D4 in her newbie games. Again, I find the logic odd, but I can see it coming from town. But seriously, look at Hiro's D2 play. There's nothing there. because there was no need to do anything. I was fine with either lynch. | ||
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Marv wrote: hiro scum, unless ve flips scum Yea, I was right. | ||
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SEE I EVEN BREADCRUMBED. | ||
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I'm a townie.... | ||
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##Vote Blazinghand's COPYCAT | ||
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So let's kill Mementoss the SK. | ||
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No mafia would kill austin. Mementoss is SK. Everything that hapa/austin said about him on d1 was true. | ||
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On September 24 2012 07:49 iamperfection wrote: These were the posts that hiro made in reference to bluelightz. I would characterize them as him defending him or giving a null read. Don't really know what that means but he does defend him. Although it does give a platform for bluelightz to do whatever he wants. Connections are so dumb when you haven't seen the flip..... Stop treating me like confirmed scum when I'm town. | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:10 iamperfection wrote: when you come back give a detailed read on me zeph ange and blue please. no clue what bluelightz is. ange is scum for reasons that people (austin) already said. zeph, I dunno, I don't read what he writes. | ||
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how am i not helping. mementoss is a serial killer. did you think of that before i said it? no, so I'm helping. | ||
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On September 24 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote: If there is a Serial Killer, I find it rather unlikely it's Mementoss. I have strong feelings about who it would be if it does exist, which I'll tell town at the end of the next night. TELL US MARV. TELL US. But yeah you actually read the setup generator didn't you? | ||
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confirmed: mafia RB 2 masons claimed: JK 1-shot Vig | ||
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##Vote marvellosity | ||
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It's cause you're LYING!!!! | ||
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Like, remember to listen to me when I'm dead.... LIKE that's the most important thing. The night kills don't make sense. Speculating about night kills isn't WIFOM! | ||
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Scum is a catch-all term for any member of an informed minority, such as Serial Killers and Mafia goons. During a day phase, everybody is seemingly trying to locate and eliminate these roles. | ||
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An Extensive Look at the Serial Killer Facts: 1. Marv was coached by VE. 2. VE was Serial Killer in Storm Mafia Playstyle: VE had 17 pages of filter in Storm Mafia. How many pages does Marv have this game? 16!!!! COINCIDENCE???? I think not. Marv has learned that posting a lot and being spammy makes you look town but at the same time you won't get shot by mafia!!! VE didn't post any pictures in Storm Mafia. How many pictures has Marv posted this game? (Pregame doesn't count). 0!!! That's right cause pictures make you look useless and anti-town and that's not how serial killers like to be portrayed as, so they DON'T POST PICTURES! VE correctly identified someone as scum day 1!!!! Guess what Marv has done this game? That's right he identified Palmar as scum Day 1!!! VE was roleblocked night 1. Sorry if I'm being repetitive guys but honestly there are so many similarities and it's so obvious I don't get how you guys don't see it. MARV SAID HE WAS RBed night 1!!!! Post by Post Analysis: On September 19 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote: that's not a question, that's a stupid statement care to tell me how troll Palmar who made one post in Death Note is the same as retard Palmer in Rock Band who comes into the thread pointing fingers in an unsubstantiated fashion? Still, I think Palmar might just be awful this game. prplhz jumping on my vote, however, is scummy as shit. On February 25 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: My case on you BH is based almost solely on meta and I've said this. You're clearly not looking for scum, you're just hopping on bandwagons started by veterans because in your experience those are the bandwagons that end up being successful. It's transparant as hell and it's why I want you to hang. But as a side-note, your posts ARE useless, but because I don't find that indicative of alignment, merely of skill, I've left that out. Look at these two posts. Notice the similarities. They use meta primarily to discredit the people that they think they are scum. For their ingame play, they are content to say that their targets are bad and useless. They don't call them out right scum (because they're scared of mafia shooting them). On September 19 2012 22:39 marvellosity wrote: Alright, I'm not sure how to construct this post, but here are my thoughts on some stuff in the game: Firstly, in response to Mementoss re: what I said about Hiro (probably gonna duplicate this as my post goes on, but meh): This is what I thought about it: Leading on from this, I'm a little suspicious of Hapahauli. Partly because I know what he's capable of when I saw him dominate town as scum in one of his newbie games. There are two reasons: Firstly, how he questioned me on listening to Hiro. I'm well aware that a lot of you disagreed with me finding Hiro's point on Palmar interesting, but I don't understand the thought train of not listening to a player just because you're voting for them, especially on Day 1. It can be scummy in a certain context? What does that even mean? We only have one context here, and it's a Day 1 read for not contributing starting to contribute something I hadn't thought of. Don't know what context he was thinking of, or what answer he was possibly expecting from me. Secondly, and with greater weight, were the contradictions on Mementoss + voting that Hiro pointed out. It's a disconnect in thinking about an issue that is often explained by the fact that scum have to manufacture opinions, and therefore they don't match up. The fact he backed down from it doesn't change the fact he made it in the first place. In Movie Mafia Day 2 (hi prplhz) Snarfs plunked his vote on me (QQ, a theme) with a contradiction of dismissing my town motivation as WIFOM, and using WIFOM to give the scum motivation. I called him scum for it, and he backed down from it (because how can you maintain a contradictory position?) but he was scum nevertheless. There's not enough else in Hapa's filter to warrant me voting him or anything. A lot of what he's done seems constructive, so I'm not willing to go after him, but I'm uneasy. mkfuba: Someone else I'm kinda suspicious of but I don't want to vote today. Mementoss, I know you think we're buddying, but agreeing on a potential read is just that we agree on a potential read. The reason I'm suspicious of fuba is that he was absent for such a long time at the beginning of the day, so I was expecting to come back with something big and impressive in the evening, and he did not. Ameliorating these concerns slightly is that mkfuba is holy-shit wishy washy at the best of times. Seriously, go read any of his games, he's a known wishywashy meister. So this isn't really a tell either way for me. I need more information and posting from fuba to get a proper read on him. From what I know of him, he struggles to write posts as both alignments, but especially as scum finds it hard to find stuff to write about. So that's what I will be looking out for as the game goes on (presuming I survive this lynch :D) HiroPro: Suspicious of him too. If his contributions on Palmar/Hapa weren't things I'd even considered myself, I'd probably want to lynch him right now. Whether people agree with it or not, I found his point on Palmar pretty good, especially as Palmar at the time came in swinging with scum/town reads with practically no explanation. The fact that he picked up on Hapa's contradiction also shows an attentiveness to the thread and analysis that indicates townie. The problem at the moment is that he has not subsequently taken a firm stance on anyone or anything beyond these observations. Leaning kinda scummy. Zephirdd: I know he attracted a vote or two today, but I don't wanna lynch him. I thought his Hapa case was bad, and the fact he backed down from it even weaker. But his posts since then have had a collaboratory feel that I haven't felt from Zephirdd since we were town in NMM2 together. So leaning town. austin: yeah, I think I most of all want to lynch austin. Some of it's gonna be a rehash, but it's important for the whole thing. The reason people jumped on austin in the first place: Pretty much generally agreed that this was scummy, so won't delve too much. Where shit starts to diverge is on the response, which people read as townie. There's important time issues to look at. BlazingHand first pushes him to elaborate on it, and we get this as a response: Pudding blabla not satisfactory at all. His 'townie' explanation that follows only comes after me, Hapa, and BH apply further considerable pressure. It's not a bad explanation as it goes, and I can see why people viewed it as townie. But the fact is that it only came after his previous, poor explanation. In other words, he had to give a good explanation because he knew a large part of town was hounding him for it. In this context, I believe it loses some of its 'townieness'. I bold the final line as well for a reason. Obvious was the wrong word choice, eh? Look at how austin usually posts - longwinded, carefully thought out. Yet in this instance he'd thrown out his 'obvious' and 'too damning'. It looks like austin is justifying his scummy words after the fact. austin has a few posts subsequently, but they are all focused on his own defence rather than any other scumhunting. Why is he so worried about how others view his defence? Why is he only talking about his own defence rather than being proactive elsewhere? Because he's worried that he needs to appear as town. After these posts, austin has been markedly absent from any of the considerable goings-on in this thread. We don't have an opinion on anyone or anything, except his own defence. His play is marked by being worried by how he appears, rather than finding scum. ##Vote: austinmcc The only other candidate I'm interested in is prplhz. Ange makes some very good points, especially the two I pointed out a little earlier: Unless these are answered satisfactorily, I am open to a prplhz lynch too. On February 22 2012 18:56 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Lynch List of Storm's End BloodyC0bbler - My complaints echo the complaints of players such as DocH and Syllogism...he's had plenty of opportunity to come look for scum - he hasn't. He placed a vote on redFF without saying whether he thought he was scum or not. I was less than satisfied with his responses to my posts, and I've been unimpressed with his effort so far in the game. I voted for this guy in L, and while I was herpin and a derpin, he was finding scum and establishing his innocence. wherebugsgo - WBG has similarly not been interested in finding scum. He called chaoser scum lightly at the beginning of the day, but it looked more like an excuse to get into a conversation with him than anything. This is directly after he just got done buddying him in his introduction post. Followed up with calling redFF bad ad nauseum. Very clear to not say scum - only very bad. Suddenly this all changes after red sheeps after Jackal? Sheeping is something scum and town do in equal parts - verily, many a veteran townies count on a few sheep to push their agendas. Claims that most of what red has done can be explained 'with scum motivations'. Fails to elaborate or support this idea. Just throws it out there. RebirthOfLegenD - my weakest read - I'm really only interested in showing RoL rope if he doesn't start looking for scum. This redFF wagon essentially pushed itself, and he's making it his MISSION to make it happen. I don't even know if RoL thinks red is scum or not. But it's pretty clear that he wants red to die. TODAY. I can support a lynch of any of these three players, my preference is WBG, followed by BC, with RoL being my least favorite choice. Meaningless lists are a great way to seem as if you're contributing when you're really not. Both of these serial killers talk about a lot of people and say a lot of stuff but they don't actually bring up anything new or useful. It's just rehashed garbage to make themselves look good while at the same time not looking like a threat to mafia. On September 20 2012 05:38 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote prplhz best get talking, prplhz. On February 23 2012 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay guys, I'm switching to BH. I think he's scum too, and I can at least admit that we're losing less (no offense) being mistaken and lynching BH than we are being mistaken and lynching BC. Then, notice the quick changes these serial killers have. They're not too concerned about who really is mafia and who isn't so they'll switch to a different person just to look townie and bold. On September 19 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote: Palmar's entire shitty case is this: "marv is better than this, therefore he is scum". I have the case open in a separate tab to see if I need to respond to specific points, but I can find very little worth responding to. Yes, my tone changed, I got a bit heated. What of it? If you want to go down that road, it's something I'm far more likely to do as town. WIFOMy? Sure, but Palmar's entire case is WIFOMy. Anyone go find me a single example of me 'losing the plot' as scum - you won't be able to find an instance, I wager. Or NMM3 where I was actually scum and Palmar called me out and I just flat out ignored him. On the other hand, as town I have been known to self-vote (Movie Mafia) or go into a 24-48 hour funk (Bureaucracy, when Foolish called me scum for no reason, and it knocked me sideways until I recovered and realised Foolish was scum). "Did you think I wouldn't tell people what I thought about other people in the game? Should I just not call out my reads because they "mess with an already divided town"?" Yeah except you gave very little reasoning for anything. You said austin is scum and provided one quote going "lol here's evidence" with no explanation of why the quote made him scum. You called Hiro scum with no reasoning, and ditto you laid a vote on me later with a one sentence explanation. That's pisspoor play, Palmar. I will be filtering this afternoon to see who I particularly want to lynch. I don't care if you/people thought I was weird for liking Hiro's Palmar point; to me it was a perspective that I hadn't thought of at all and so it was interesting. Additionally Hiro's points on Hapa's contradictions were strong. Listening to contributions from a day 1 scumread who was mainly a scumread for not contributing is not scummy behaviour. I'm not sure if it's enough from austin to make me not want to lynch him, but at the moment I'm leaning towards austin. He's been very absent through critical discussions when I know he could have been active, and that's scummy play. On February 23 2012 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not scum bro, you're completely mistaken. But you know, feel free to keep not making any sense. You don't even have a case against me, you quoted a bunch of my posts and said "timing is a bitch" which doesn't mean anything without context. Now shut up, vote BC or you die overnight. I'm 100% serious here. When mafia players make cases against these serial killers, they get mad since they know that the other person is mafia but they don't want to call them out on it as it would make them a kill target. But at the same time they need to defend themselves since otherwise the townies will lynch them. I'm starting to get tired here but it should be plainly obvious to anyone reading this that marv is the SK. | ||
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On September 24 2012 12:08 marvellosity wrote: 10/10 would read again He's ADMITTING his guilt!!! How do you guys not see this??? | ||
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WHERE ARE BLUELIGHTZ AND ANGE????? | ||
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Let me put it this way to you. Serial killers have 1 KP. Mafia teams have 1 KP. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of the serial killer? Only 1. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of mafia? 2. SO WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THE SERIAL KILLER MARV!!! | ||
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On September 24 2012 20:30 Mementoss wrote: I think HiroPro is town or at least not scummy enough to warrant a vote. Details to come later. This man knows what's up? Has he been silenced by the serial killer? Why is he not defending me now? | ||
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On September 25 2012 00:31 Ange777 wrote: Ok, while I don't believe marv to be the serial killer, the logic seems sound. Am I missing something why we should kill scum first before serial killer if we were equally sure/suspicious of them? EUREKA!!!! On September 25 2012 00:32 Zephirdd wrote: you still didn't explain the magical roleblock on hapahauli and lack of jailkeeper counterclaim Kid kid. Let me explain it to you. Sometimes blue roles are stupid. They don't like to claim even when they know it's a good idea. I think it's a situation like that. It's like ghost man himself, didn't claim as a cop with a red check in lylo. It's like that. MISTER ROLEBLOCKER. CLAIM!!! | ||
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- Shut down discussion on himself - Called people bad without saying they were scum - Spammed unnecessarily to make himself look town - No Pictures - Lots of lists (not like this one, useless stuff) | ||
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I will literally eat my hat if Marv is not SK! | ||
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##FOS marv ##Vote: marvellosity (For emphasis. I already know I voted) | ||
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hapa were you really roleblocked???? Don't cover for the serial killer!!! On September 17 2012 21:03 marvellosity wrote: I figure SK, but whatevs edit: also Mementoss, you're well aware that for me, "posting less" is still "posting considerably more than most other people" Like he even announced pregame that he wanted serial killer.... So ghost probably gave it to him. On September 18 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote: yesssss, I get to live because of WIFOM! hi all <3 And then look at his entrance. WIFOM to make everyone think he's a townie. On September 18 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote: Yes, he made the worst case in the universe on me last game. And then he calls people bad again!!! Not scum, but bad!!! | ||
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On September 24 2012 11:59 HiroPro wrote: An Extensive Look at the Serial Killer Facts: 1. Marv was coached by VE. 2. VE was Serial Killer in Storm Mafia Playstyle: VE correctly identified someone as scum day 1!!!! Guess what Marv has done this game? That's right he identified Palmar as scum Day 1!!! VE was roleblocked night 1. Sorry if I'm being repetitive guys but honestly there are so many similarities and it's so obvious I don't get how you guys don't see it. MARV SAID HE WAS RBed night 1!!!! Post by Post Analysis: Look at these two posts. Notice the similarities. They use meta primarily to discredit the people that they think they are scum. For their ingame play, they are content to say that their targets are bad and useless. They don't call them out right scum (because they're scared of mafia shooting them). Meaningless lists are a great way to seem as if you're contributing when you're really not. Both of these serial killers talk about a lot of people and say a lot of stuff but they don't actually bring up anything new or useful. It's just rehashed garbage to make themselves look good while at the same time not looking like a threat to mafia. Then, notice the quick changes these serial killers have. They're not too concerned about who really is mafia and who isn't so they'll switch to a different person just to look townie and bold. When mafia players make cases against these serial killers, they get mad since they know that the other person is mafia but they don't want to call them out on it as it would make them a kill target. But at the same time they need to defend themselves since otherwise the townies will lynch them. This stuff is still COMPLETELY RELEVANT, GUYS! DOn't ignore it!!! | ||
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ATTENTION SERIAL KILLER Mafia is shooting marv tonight. So shoot someone else. | ||
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On September 27 2012 06:48 Zephirdd wrote: marv = MVP my intention was to play townie like(except towards day3) in order to just survive till lylo. idk why the scum team didn't shoot marv day 2 though. http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/shvBuiPagrd ^qt where I talk to myself. Because we had 3 confirmed townies to deal with... | ||
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On September 27 2012 07:08 Hapahauli wrote: Pretty crazy that all three scum were the top three lynch candidates on D2 - great D1 for town despite the fail-mason claim =/ Yea we planned a bus on me for day 2. Except it never really coalesced. So instead we had me looking like shit on purpose, not getting lynched even though that was my goal..., and no one on the scum team gaining any credit from it. | ||
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