I would like you to be more active on the thread.
What are your scum read in the exception of kush ?
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I would like you to be more active on the thread. What are your scum read in the exception of kush ? | ||
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Well, I believed that you were soft defending him but at a second read it looks like you just didn't want Darth to go overboard with his accusations. But you should admit it's not consistent with your earlier FoS on Kush. People would expect you to join Darth to pressure kush even more. Don't you think so ? Also I don't understand you stances on my alignment. After your first case on me, I thought you were suspicious of me. Later on, you recommend me to pm marv for help. You certainly know that marv is the town coach. So did you just let go your suspicions and consider me as town newbie ? Your town motivation would be to help a fellow citizen but in this case why do you think I'm town ? Your mafia motivation would be budding me and show pro-town behavior (unfortunately while slipping). And I would like you to answer my questions clearly in the future and not throwing me a question back. | ||
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so let me reformulate my question so we can understand each other better this time What is your read about me so far ? [/list] [*]town [*]null [*]scum [/list] You can use quantitative adjectives | ||
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well, it's because of the two following posts of debears towards me + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote: @darthpunk You could also say that you are too convinced in your reasons. What I am cautious of at this point is that you stated directly before the game that you were after kush if he plays like he has in his past 3 games. I feel like that may be clouding your judgement in this situation. Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG". Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come. Anyhow. I see two others who have suspiciously posted. @Boson + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 09:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: It is not impossible to find scum on the first day. Policy lynches get you no info, you are most likely going to hit a townie, and you end up in the same position the next day minus 2 town. @Djodref your 'day plan' is unnecessary. Scum hunt, vote for your top scum read and everything else will fall into place. After LVII I'm rather liking the idea of policy lynches, in extreme cases. Killing lurkers in a lurker-infested town, for example, is something I'm inclined to agree on. If the town proves itself active, then whoever proves himself scummier will occupy the noose. Given that this is a newbie game, scums are generally more scared to post. While that is a general tendency, I don't agree with mass posters being cleared right off the bat, even if their posts seem meaningful. What I suggest in this game, is that people read. From my few games, much time is usually wasted discussing things that have not been read properly. Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 06:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Cool, we're on. Pretty bad timing though, I'm off to bed and then I've got a day at uni before I can really start posting. I hope to God when I get back we've moved past the lurker policy discussion. My message to newbies: the best way for you to clear yourself is to post a lot. Don't post just for the sake of posting though, that'll make you look like scum because posting for the sake of posting is what scum do. This is a rather useless post. Newbie towns want to scumhunt. Newbie scum want to look like they are scumhunting. That =/= posting a lot but not for the sake of posting, or whatever you meant. And please tell me, what do you mean? You say you hope to have moved past the lurker discussion, and yet you are telling people to post a lot? In my eyes you are telling people not to lurk because that will make them seem scummy. It seems to me that you are indirectly stating your views on lurkers despite openly saying you don't want to talk about them. Boson, please try not to read too hard into a person's very first posts and make something out of nothing. It is pretty clear what sonic was saying. He wants newbies to post so that they don't get grouped under the lurker corral that usually follows up later. Last game, we had lurkers galore and it really messed up the town. Also, you mention that his post is useless. Now I will examine your two other posts in terms of uselessness. On September 28 2012 09:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 09:01 kushm4sta wrote: On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote: On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote: @sonic getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. Sorry but who appointed this asshole boss? you get people's thoughts on lurker policy, so you can catch them deviating from it later and question them about it. And why are you that scared of a FOS? A one-liner. A question that really doesn't accomplish anything. In other words, a useless post. Also, your next post doesn't address his response although he responded right after and you posted within 30 minutes of his response in a pretty light thread. On September 28 2012 09:43 Z-BosoN wrote: @DP Saying we will lynch lurkers is one thing. Deciding whether a lurker should die later at day two is another. What I said is I'm inclined to lynch a lurker if there aren't better choices, not that we will 100% lynch a lurker. @Stutters I'd like to see more posts from you. In XXIV you showed you were capable of making decent posts as town, so I encourage you to post eve more here. @kush What's your view on darthpunk? You said you don't like his coldness, but you don't like it in a "he's scum" sort of way? Yet again, nothing of substance here. You go more in depth about semantics (is that the right word I'm looking for?) about lynching lurkers and lynching lurkers at day two. Second, you call out stutters, who has already been warned by others and most likely the mods for no reason this early in the game. Finally, two sentences, two questions going on about the exact wording of kush's statements. It sounded like before the game you had stated that you have played in multiple games. Is that true? For someone who is telling other people to not post useless posts, you aren't doing a good job of it yourself. Looks more like you are trying to just be active while off the radar. In other words, you are a semi-active lurker who has bad post quality. Sounds like characteristics of a certain alignment. @Djoref + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 08:51 Djodref wrote: @Darthpunk Nevermind you look just more confident to get a scum on D1 than me. Regarding my plan, I think we need general directions to follow because of the majority lynch. It is a way to gather everybody around 2-3 suspicious players and secure a lynch. I'm assuming everyone agree on a no-lynch to be stupid. Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob. By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help. On September 28 2012 08:44 Djodref wrote: @Darthpunk Considering that we are likely to lynch a town on D1, don't you think it's a lesser wrong to get rid of someone inactive ? Inactivity means no scumhunt and room to hide for the mafia... After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative. Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much. Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post. On September 28 2012 08:36 Djodref wrote: Hello everybody ! About me This is my first game ever on forum but I've been playing on SC2mafia and also irl. But I've been lurking on the TL Mafia forum for a while (so I know your meta kush^^) and I decided to join this newbie game. I'm also a French guy and I live in Korea so my english is not on top and it's going to ne difficult for me to be around at deadline (5.00 am KST). Lurker policy From the games I've seen, unless you have a golden scumslip on d1, it's very difficult to lynch a scum the very first day. So I have no problem ending up voting for the most suspicious lurker at the end of the day. I define most suspicious lurker as a semi-lurker just trying to blend in. Day Plan I don't think to be able to be around for the first deadline so I would like to propose a day plan to secure a lynch as we are using a majority vote. First 24 hours to find lynch candidates while scumhunting and next 20 hours to decide who is the scummiest. Last 4 hours to consolidate the vote or switch to a lurker. Please discuss Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us. Next post On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: @Kush Was it also a joke ? How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ? A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush. On September 28 2012 11:53 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote: Because the most active townie is tunneling me? I would also like to hear you explanations about this specific part. I don't have a read on Darth on the moment considering he has only been hard tunneling you. As you said yourself you have a scummy meta so you are an easy target for early game to put pressure on. So what makes him so much town ? Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this. Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times. this one makes me a suspicious poster + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote: @Djoref Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote: @DarthPunk For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis. Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great And this one makes me a newbie town That's why I want him to clarify his opinions of me | ||
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On September 29 2012 15:21 debears wrote: @djo What parts of his case specifically do you believe? His main case against me is contradiction. Look at my case against thrawn in the last game. What was the main point of that argument? Inconsistency. Its an easy point for scum to point out. There are two possibilities for kushvin my eyes 1) a mafiab tryingbto pity his way out off a lynch 2) a townie acting likeva total noob with accusations against him. Which has less assumptions? Number 1. My problen with the scum by associstion is the case that i was defendung kush earky on. That us false i was trying ti communicate ti darth that his reasoning wad based off such a strong s assumption early in the game. In fact, I'd say that z-bosons case against me is the same. He looks at the mafia side only, which to me is a indicator of mafia. I can't make a case dur to drinking and being on my phone. My read in you is that you are sheeping onto cases. I don't like it because i did the same. Why do you think i would refer you to a coach? What are the townie and mafia motivations behind it. @z-boson The same question stated the line above refers to you Also can you explain what you mean exactly by saying Z-BosoN "looks at the mafia side only" ? I honestly didn't understand the bolded part of your post. | ||
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I also voted for Kush for your information | ||
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I'm going out tonight again so I'll see you all after kush flips red ^^ I might check the thread drunken and all when I come back but it should be after the deadline so don't expect me to change my vote anymore. See ya ! | ||
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I'm not heading to my room drunken once again and I feel really happy about kush's flip. I would like people to focus more on corrosion than debears because corrosion tired to cast a scummy shadow on Darth while deabears looks more genuine. Game is not over yet but I have to say GG | ||
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I understand why I'm on your null read list so far but I'd like to point out something to you and everybody. Here is the post where Kush has made his scumslip. + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote: should not have looked at thread again now I have to respond... @debears yeah it's like exactly the same as last game. That's because I think up my first post almost word for word before I even get my roll pm. I did not get to follow through with it last game though since I rolled scum. Also sorry for the semiflame war. It was not that bad. Also he started it. Aside from that, I think the plan to start tunneling during the second half of the day is really bad. It helped us a lot last game as scum because we had an excuse not to vote for the people we were fosing. Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: @Kush thank you now I won't be nk Was it also a joke ? How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ? Because the most active townie is tunneling me? Obviously I'm not going to be nk. And yes it was a joke but the best jokes have truth to them. It is a joke in that it's purpose was to be funny since obviously it doesn't help the scumhunt or my defense. I'm actually proud of this one because he did it while answering one of my questions ^^ I think I deserve some town credit for that one even if I did buy kush's explanations about this slip later on. @Omniscient Given my state right now, I'm just expressing my gut's feelings about debears and corrosion. I already have my FoS on corrosion and I'm going to read their filters really carefully when I wake up. Please also refer to my post about my scumteam guess + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On September 29 2012 13:50 Djodref wrote: @DarthPunk Considering my backflip on Kush, the general feeling I got from his latest posts is that he is not going to help the town in any way. At least we should get rid of him for a better town atmosphere. But I also think he is scum after all At first I accepted his slip because his meta is to be careless as town. Also he did provide some explanation for it (it was light but could have been genuine). After this, two things changed my mind. Firstly SDM convinced me this was a real scumslip with this post + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 05:05 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Making a Kush case at this point is kind of like trying to kick in an open door. Like Alsn I was thinking even before the game started how to handle Kush. People say he has a scummy meta and I guess that's true to an extent, but there are certainly some significant differences. Some of those things were pointed out by Hapa in the XXVII aftermath, advice Kush seemed to just shrug off (eh, he kind of went OMGUS on Hapa). Hapa points out the difference in how Kush defends himself when he's town, here's his defense against drazak's case in XXVI (as town): + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2012 13:25 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 05 2012 11:55 drazak wrote: On September 04 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote: Why town should all vote for cuba Worst case scenario:he flips green No big deal, we lynched the worst townie (barring WeeTee whose behavior fits his meta like a glove, and kville who is being replaced). From his posts it's clear he has no intention of contributing more than he is already, which is nothing. Plus that would give thrawn some serious town points in my book, since he refuses to vote for him. Thrawn is good for town atmosphere and very active. It would be quite useful to our scumhunt if we could trust thrawn. Best case scenario: he is mafia If Cuba is mafia, I think there is a very high chance that thrawn is also mafia. In which case we will know 2 mafia first day and basically win the game. People who are specifically against lynching cuba: cuba, thrawn. People who have voted for or accused drazak: cuba, thrawn. Twice now thrawn has attempted to redirect the lynch vote away from cuba onto somebody else. Thrawn says he won't vote for cuba because unlike stutters, cuba has participated in the scumhunt. By scumhunt you mean his failed attempt to bandwagon drazak with you? We need three more votes on cuba. I'm bringing this post, and Kushm4sta into suspiscion. It seemed like you didn't actually think Cubu was mafia. Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. T I think you might be mafia trying to lead town into bad lynches. Why would you vote people who you don't think are mafia if you're town? I think you're mafia, Kush. ##Vote Kushm4sta I pushed the cubu vote because 1)he was a bad poster/lurker and it worked as a policy lynch if nothing else 2)how he turned revealed a lot about thrawn, who i assumed medic or jb would save because he was the obvious choice in my mind I thought it was very fishy that thrawn tried to redirect twice, and so I got very excited with the prospect of identifying two mafia in the first day. Also at the time I thought, as did thrawn, that kville was going to be replaced. So that's why I called him the worst townie. Now it's clear that honor belongs to kville. Also jacob I don't get how this is a good argument? It's reasoning is only one sentence: Show nested quote + Your reasoning (and lack there of) makes it clear that you weren't voting because you thought Cubu was mafia, but because you thought there was a slim chance of it and that then Thrawn would be a townie. I think he means that then thrawn would be mafia, but right now that sentence, which is his ONLY argumentation, makes no sense. I didn't think anyone else seemed more scumlike than he did. Although I did know that was a big chance of him not being scum. See, drazzy darling, when there are a ton of lurkers/terrible townies in the game like yourself, it makes it pretty fucking hard to win as town. And my last defense of myself is to invoke the holy name of the late thrawn, who, on the night of his untimely death, proclaimed me as his biggest town read. Read his defense of me because I'm sure it's better than anything I could do. REST IN PEACE THRAWN TT Not to OMGUS, but this actually makes drazak seem quite suspicious to me. Mostly because I am the most active poster now that thrawn is gone. Maybe I'm biased about the matter but what do other people think? I will look through his filter more tomorrow. Kush tends to OMGUS whether scum or town, but the way in which he OMGUS differs. When scum he's confident and aggressive, when town he's more diplomatic and logical. In this game, the former certainly holds true. Other than that, town Kush seems to focus scum hunting (check his early XXVI filter) while scum Kush is focusing on defending himself and posting tons of fluff (he even mentioned in the XXVII Mafia QT that his strategy was to post a shit ton). In this game his scum hunting is pretty much non-existent while he's been defending himself and posting fluff just like in XXVII. The most significant piece of information in this game though is his scum slip and his explanation. The slip is significant. I have a really hard time believing that the mother of all OMGUSing would be calling his attacker townie. Unless, of course, he's in possession of extra information and it's a slip. His defense isn't very convincing. Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote: 2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use. Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro. Of course he's been using "people" and "person" a lot in past games, but this post from XXVII is a good example on how he views his attackers: Show nested quote + On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote: what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though. I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad It's also worth pointing out that drazak attacking him made Kush suspicious of drazak (post quoted above), he did the complete opposite of making a town read on him. Secondly the two calls from kush to debears are disturbing me + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote: debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe I know he was being sarcastic and referring to a previous game but this is absolutely anti-town in my eyes. It's just confusing me and giving me a WIFOM headache and I don't need it with all the bad whiskey I drunk yesterday. He did apologize for his behavior later on but he's doing it again here. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 12:14 kushm4sta wrote: debears hf you are dying next. So I'm calling a kush/debears/corrosion scumteam rightnow. But honestly it would be lame if it was the case... In my point of view, it would be really really lame if debears was scum right now. I would hate kush for gamethrowing and be very disappointed for my first game on TL Mafia forum. So my hope for debears to be town is really strong and cloud my judgement on him. Also I would like to remind everybody that I put FoS on corrosion. Please remind this if I'm NKed tonight. So once again ##FoS: corrosion | ||
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On September 30 2012 10:23 DarthPunk wrote: Can anyone guess who my 3 suspects are? GOGO. I think Alsn, RemedySC and Stutters | ||
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I understand your suspicions but I'm just a town newbie with a lot of bad posts. I'll try my best to step up and post cases. If you don't mind, I'm going to build a case on debears before addressing your attacks because I feel I might screwing up myself more if I spend too much time defending your cases against me. But I can shortly explain my backflip on Kush. At the beginning of the game, I was not confident at all to nail a scum on day 1. I have even been called for it but, as a newbie, I didn't think I could have a correct read on someone (be it town or scum) and was really afraid of a mislynch. So, at that time, when Darth found Kush scumslip, I was not ready to believe it was so easy to find a scum. That's why I bought kush's explanations for his scumslip. After that I went out and slept and when I came back to the thread I found all the crazy posts from kush and also SDM case. I realized at this point that the slip was indeed a scum slip. Also I realized that not being confident is bad for town so I boost up my confidence. I called the scumteam kush/debears/corrosion and also was more and more sure of kush being red. | ||
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On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote: @Djoref Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote: @DarthPunk For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis. Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great I know this point not new and debears has already addressed it but I would like to point out the way he addressed it. First this slip might not be as evident as Kush's one but it is one nevertheless. The same way kush knew Darth was town, debears also know I'm town is because he is mafia ! For the people suspecting me, please consider this post written by a town Djodref ^^ Debears didn't write "Get some help from the coaches !", he wrote me to get help from the town coach because he knows I am town. Now please have a look on how he answered me when Omniscient asked him about it + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 03:28 debears wrote: @Omniscient Show nested quote + On September 29 2012 02:17 Omniscient4983 wrote: On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote: @Djoref On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote: @DarthPunk For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis. Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great So you're confirming him town? No. I am trying to help a newbie get into the swing of things. Last game, there was a large portion of lurkers, and it destroyed the game atmosphere. If he gets help and posts more quality, we have a much better read on him. He denies it right away and gives a town motivation for his post. But then he starts talking about lurkers. I think lurkers and newbies are two different things and he was trying to divert everybody with this line. After that I give my guess on a kush/debears/corrosion scumteam and call him a scum by association in the light of Z-BosoN case against him. Here is his answer to my post. By the way, I asked him at this time what was his read on me but I should have ask directly "how do you know I am town?" + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 15:21 debears wrote: @djo What parts of his case specifically do you believe? His main case against me is contradiction. Look at my case against thrawn in the last game. What was the main point of that argument? Inconsistency. Its an easy point for scum to point out. There are two possibilities for kushvin my eyes 1) a mafiab tryingbto pity his way out off a lynch 2) a townie acting likeva total noob with accusations against him. Which has less assumptions? Number 1. My problen with the scum by associstion is the case that i was defendung kush earky on. That us false i was trying ti communicate ti darth that his reasoning wad based off such a strong s assumption early in the game. In fact, I'd say that z-bosons case against me is the same. He looks at the mafia side only, which to me is a indicator of mafia. I can't make a case dur to drinking and being on my phone. My read in you is that you are sheeping onto cases. I don't like it because i did the same. Why do you think i would refer you to a coach? What are the townie and mafia motivations behind it. @z-boson The same question stated the line above refers to you He doesn't want to give a clear answer on his read about me. What does it mean that I'm sheeping onto cases ? I think it was too dangerous for him to pronounce himself about my alignment due to his previous slip. I asked him why he directed me to marv and answer by a question because he cannot afford to be transparent on this subject. I would like to add one more thing but it's non-related to the scumslip. [QUOTE]On September 29 2012 13:47 debears wrote: @darthpunk Currently, you should know one of my suspects based on a heated discussion btw him and me. The other i am waiting for a few more posts to give him a fair opportunity. The second one is a wildcard. Tomorrow i will build a casebfor him when I'm at my computer and in a better ba situation to make a suitable case In this post, he promises a case which has never come. I don't think it's big but it adds up. Also he is basically OMGUSing Z-BosoN while defending himself from his case. Conclusion I'm also for a debears lynch for tomorrow | ||
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Here is a post where our great mafia player Kush defends debears from to case of Z-BosoN + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 05:46 kushm4sta wrote: Show nested quote + On September 29 2012 05:29 Z-BosoN wrote: All right, I went through debears filter now, and I'm confident he is scum. Let's go through this more carefully now. His first post: On September 28 2012 11:05 debears wrote: Lol. Kush already going at it. Hey guys. I'm debears. This is my second game ever of mafia. I have a couple of things to add: + Show Spoiler + Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 09:18 DarthPunk wrote: On September 28 2012 09:10 Z-BosoN wrote: On September 28 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: It is not impossible to find scum on the first day. Policy lynches get you no info, you are most likely going to hit a townie, and you end up in the same position the next day minus 2 town. @Djodref your 'day plan' is unnecessary. Scum hunt, vote for your top scum read and everything else will fall into place. After LVII I'm rather liking the idea of policy lynches, in extreme cases. Killing lurkers in a lurker-infested town, for example, is something I'm inclined to agree on. If the town proves itself active, then whoever proves himself scummier will occupy the noose. Given that this is a newbie game, scums are generally more scared to post. While that is a general tendency, I don't agree with mass posters being cleared right off the bat, even if their posts seem meaningful. What I suggest in this game, is that people read. From my few games, much time is usually wasted discussing things that have not been read properly. On September 28 2012 06:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Cool, we're on. Pretty bad timing though, I'm off to bed and then I've got a day at uni before I can really start posting. I hope to God when I get back we've moved past the lurker policy discussion. My message to newbies: the best way for you to clear yourself is to post a lot. Don't post just for the sake of posting though, that'll make you look like scum because posting for the sake of posting is what scum do. This is a rather useless post. Newbie towns want to scumhunt. Newbie scum want to look like they are scumhunting. That =/= posting a lot but not for the sake of posting, or whatever you meant. And please tell me, what do you mean? You say you hope to have moved past the lurker discussion, and yet you are telling people to post a lot? In my eyes you are telling people not to lurk because that will make them seem scummy. It seems to me that you are indirectly stating your views on lurkers despite openly saying you don't want to talk about them. Meh. Don't like lurker policy lynches at all. It just tells scum: Post. and your safe. I have read every post so far as scummy and I don't see SDM's post as more or less scummy than the others. But posting a lot will let people get a good read on you so you should 100% be doing this as town. And then if all the townies are posting you force scum to. Which makes it much easier to nab them also. SO. Post a lot if you are town. You make scum uncomfortable and facilitate town reads on yourself and scum reads on scum. You also clutter the thread if you just post alot. Let me specify. Post quality as often as you can. That means reread the thread and build good cases. One liners don't do much good. Cases with multiple quotes and a few sentences of explanation per quote are good (most of the time). Also, USE YOUR COACHES TOWN. Thrawn pmed Hapa over 50 times last game and he had the best town performance. That isn't a coincidence. @Kush I don't like the way you are starting off this game kush. It's eerily similar as last game when you were mafia. You mention you're deathless streak, nk, and your scummy meta without anyone bringing it up. You should know that I most likely know you're trends better than anyone else in this game. The only difference between this game and last is that you have engaged in a flame war with Darth this game, which is unhelpful to our town. FOS Kush @everyone One more thing: Feel free to accuse and build cases on anyone you want for the first 24 hours. However, let's start tunneling for the second 24 hours. Also, I would like everyone to start considering a lurker (in your head) once we hit the second 24 hours as a backup. If we get close to the lynch deadline, and there are no scummy candidates, feel free to post a good case on which lurker would be the best candidate. First of all, his "I want town to win!!" post telling town to use their coaches. He then FoS's Kush, due to the fact that he's playing a similar game as the one he was scum. He says that DP + kush flame war is bad for the town, but doesn't attack Darthpunk, probably because he finds kush to be more scummy looking. Now, from a townie perspective, what does debear want? Information in order to lynch kush, as he pointed a FOS mostly based on a meta read. But suddenly, towards darthpunk: snip --You could also say that you are too convinced in your reasons. What I am cautious of at this point is that you stated directly before the game that you were after kush if he plays like he has in his past 3 games. I feel like that may be clouding your judgement in this situation. Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG". Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come. He is defensive towards kush. That's not how townies think. While I agree that DP is a bit overboard on kush, I don't agree that he failed to give arguments as to why he thinks that is so. A townie with a FOS on someone will want to deal with the arguments first. He doesn't do that, and suddenly becomes defensive on Kush. He says, later: I'm not defending him as much as I'm trying to tell you that you are going overboard right now. You don't have to rush in annointing him scum. He is more bothered by DPs certainty than by his actual arguments. Inconsistency #1. He then comes up with two cases. One against me, and one against Djoref: @Boson + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 09:10 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote: It is not impossible to find scum on the first day. Policy lynches get you no info, you are most likely going to hit a townie, and you end up in the same position the next day minus 2 town. @Djodref your 'day plan' is unnecessary. Scum hunt, vote for your top scum read and everything else will fall into place. After LVII I'm rather liking the idea of policy lynches, in extreme cases. Killing lurkers in a lurker-infested town, for example, is something I'm inclined to agree on. If the town proves itself active, then whoever proves himself scummier will occupy the noose. Given that this is a newbie game, scums are generally more scared to post. While that is a general tendency, I don't agree with mass posters being cleared right off the bat, even if their posts seem meaningful. What I suggest in this game, is that people read. From my few games, much time is usually wasted discussing things that have not been read properly. Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 06:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Cool, we're on. Pretty bad timing though, I'm off to bed and then I've got a day at uni before I can really start posting. I hope to God when I get back we've moved past the lurker policy discussion. My message to newbies: the best way for you to clear yourself is to post a lot. Don't post just for the sake of posting though, that'll make you look like scum because posting for the sake of posting is what scum do. This is a rather useless post. Newbie towns want to scumhunt. Newbie scum want to look like they are scumhunting. That =/= posting a lot but not for the sake of posting, or whatever you meant. And please tell me, what do you mean? You say you hope to have moved past the lurker discussion, and yet you are telling people to post a lot? In my eyes you are telling people not to lurk because that will make them seem scummy. It seems to me that you are indirectly stating your views on lurkers despite openly saying you don't want to talk about them. Boson, please try not to read too hard into a person's very first posts and make something out of nothing. It is pretty clear what sonic was saying. He wants newbies to post so that they don't get grouped under the lurker corral that usually follows up later. Last game, we had lurkers galore and it really messed up the town. Also, you mention that his post is useless. Now I will examine your two other posts in terms of uselessness. On September 28 2012 09:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 09:01 kushm4sta wrote: On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote: On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote: @sonic getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. Sorry but who appointed this asshole boss? you get people's thoughts on lurker policy, so you can catch them deviating from it later and question them about it. And why are you that scared of a FOS? A one-liner. A question that really doesn't accomplish anything. In other words, a useless post. Also, your next post doesn't address his response although he responded right after and you posted within 30 minutes of his response in a pretty light thread. On September 28 2012 09:43 Z-BosoN wrote: @DP Saying we will lynch lurkers is one thing. Deciding whether a lurker should die later at day two is another. What I said is I'm inclined to lynch a lurker if there aren't better choices, not that we will 100% lynch a lurker. @Stutters I'd like to see more posts from you. In XXIV you showed you were capable of making decent posts as town, so I encourage you to post eve more here. @kush What's your view on darthpunk? You said you don't like his coldness, but you don't like it in a "he's scum" sort of way? Yet again, nothing of substance here. You go more in depth about semantics (is that the right word I'm looking for?) about lynching lurkers and lynching lurkers at day two. Second, you call out stutters, who has already been warned by others and most likely the mods for no reason this early in the game. Finally, two sentences, two questions going on about the exact wording of kush's statements. It sounded like before the game you had stated that you have played in multiple games. Is that true? For someone who is telling other people to not post useless posts, you aren't doing a good job of it yourself. Looks more like you are trying to just be active while off the radar. In other words, you are a semi-active lurker who has bad post quality. Sounds like characteristics of a certain alignment. @Djoref + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 08:51 Djodref wrote: @Darthpunk Nevermind you look just more confident to get a scum on D1 than me. Regarding my plan, I think we need general directions to follow because of the majority lynch. It is a way to gather everybody around 2-3 suspicious players and secure a lynch. I'm assuming everyone agree on a no-lynch to be stupid. Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob. By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help. On September 28 2012 08:44 Djodref wrote: @Darthpunk Considering that we are likely to lynch a town on D1, don't you think it's a lesser wrong to get rid of someone inactive ? Inactivity means no scumhunt and room to hide for the mafia... After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative. Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much. Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post. On September 28 2012 08:36 Djodref wrote: Hello everybody ! About me This is my first game ever on forum but I've been playing on SC2mafia and also irl. But I've been lurking on the TL Mafia forum for a while (so I know your meta kush^^) and I decided to join this newbie game. I'm also a French guy and I live in Korea so my english is not on top and it's going to ne difficult for me to be around at deadline (5.00 am KST). Lurker policy From the games I've seen, unless you have a golden scumslip on d1, it's very difficult to lynch a scum the very first day. So I have no problem ending up voting for the most suspicious lurker at the end of the day. I define most suspicious lurker as a semi-lurker just trying to blend in. Day Plan I don't think to be able to be around for the first deadline so I would like to propose a day plan to secure a lynch as we are using a majority vote. First 24 hours to find lynch candidates while scumhunting and next 20 hours to decide who is the scummiest. Last 4 hours to consolidate the vote or switch to a lurker. Please discuss Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us. Next post On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: @Kush Was it also a joke ? How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ? A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush. On September 28 2012 11:53 Djodref wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote: Because the most active townie is tunneling me? I would also like to hear you explanations about this specific part. I don't have a read on Darth on the moment considering he has only been hard tunneling you. As you said yourself you have a scummy meta so you are an easy target for early game to put pressure on. So what makes him so much town ? Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this. Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times. Notice the similarity between the two. He attacks us for asking questions (later on denies that they provide any discussion whatsoever), and falls into the same "semi-active lurker" category he's sniffing about. I will ignore the quality of his arguments, which I personally think are horrible, and will look more towards their similarity. From his case against me: A one-liner. A question that really doesn't accomplish anything. In other words, a useless post. Also, your next post doesn't address his response although he responded right after and you posted within 30 minutes of his response in a pretty light thread. For someone who is telling other people to not post useless posts, you aren't doing a good job of it yourself. Looks more like you are trying to just be active while off the radar. In other words, you are a semi-active lurker who has bad post quality. Sounds like characteristics of a certain alignment. From his case against Djoref: A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush. Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times. See the similarity, especially the bolded part? It seems that he has this "semi-active scum" cake recipe that he is using to sniff out scum. He also calls us out on our posting quality, in my case saying it is bad. I won't address his next post towards me because I've already done so, and because it doesn't increase his scumminess , as "bad cases =/= scum" (although it pisses me off). Anyways, now to the main stuff. He has a case against me and Djoref, for pretty much the same reasoning. Yet, check out what his next post on Djoref is: On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote: @Djoref On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote: @DarthPunk For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis. Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great Wtf??? What ?? Where is his case against Djoref?? He goes from a scummy-looking sheep with one liners to a "townie who should pm marv for help"? Could he have forgotten that Djoref was one of his main suspicions? Inconsistency #2 Note that I no longer think that his defense of SDM is scummy. I've gone over that a few times and I admit that it can also come from a townie perspective. To summarize, here are the main inconsistencies in his play that scream to me SCUM: 1) He had a FOS on kush, then hurried on to defend him, in the manner I've shown above. I cannot fathom for the life of me having a FOS on someone and suddenly feel like I have to address an exaggeration on that person before I actually address the case. 2) He completely absolves Djoref for absolutely no reason. Townies do not throw around suspicions only to insta-drop them. 3) The other supporting arguments I've shown above. debears is SCUM! ##vote debears Hi z bozon. Inconsistencies do not make someone scum. Also it's quite funny how you are so certain this early in the game. To summarize this awesome post: your case is not strong. you are overconfident in your scumread. This one speaks for itself. I believe Kush was still trying to play seriously at this time and tried to defend his scummate. But here are also these two horrible posts On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote: debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe He did this one no so much after voting for himself so I guess he was in full troll mode at this point. He was still attacking Z-BosoN on his "stupid" case. I think he purely gamethrew by seeing two scums nailed so fast in this game. On September 29 2012 12:14 kushm4sta wrote: debears hf you are dying next. And this one just before admitting he was scum. Given kush character, I could imagine him giving his scum partner like this. I'll be sad if it turns out to be true they are just to much elements pointing into this direction. | ||
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His case against Darth was poor but newbies have a lot of pressure to build original cases to establish their townieness. So I can see town motivation for it. He also admitted that the case could have been weak. Also he defended himself in an honest and clear way. So I understand now why people attacking him can be seen as suspicious. So far I know that debears and me have been on him. I think now that debears was hoping to push a mislynch on corrosion. unFoS: corrosion | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 22:05 DarthPunk wrote: OK. So here are my top scum reads in order. Debears. His flip-flopping around the kush lynch FoS'ing kush then soft defending him and trying to downplay the lynch after that are cause for concern. I am almost sure that he is scum. And he should be the next lynch candidate. Please reference the excellent case on him made by Z - Boson. Djodref. More flip flopping around the kush lynch. He was far far FAR to ready to believe kushes weak as anythign explanation for his slip. Something which all the candidates on my list have in common. The thing that really gets me though are the following. I accepted kush's explanations because it was unbelievable for me to nail a scum by a scumslip this early in the game. If you look at my filter, you can see that I was believing that we were going to mislynch on day 1. So I had a confirmation bias (I wanted kush to be town so I was ready to buy anything) and wanted to avoid a mislynch. Very bad play from my part... Twice asking for a read on himself. This is something that I have the impulse to do as scum. (i don;t do it, but I would love to) If you are not being talked about you have no idea if what you are doing is working well. I.E. If you are behaving scummy or not. Probably not anything. But something that struck me as odd. I only asked debears about a read on myself. It was related to his scumslip. I wanted him to push him into slipping more by forcing him to say that I was town without any good explanations. That's why I asked him a clear read on myself, which he didn't give by the way. The second time he admits having a null read on me. Anyway I should have been more confident and asked him how he knew I was town Trying to take credit twice from the kush lynch. Despite being wishy-washy at best and soft defending him at worst. As I have said earlier. Town cred is exactly what you want from a bus. And here is an already scummy player, who has not really scum hunted been incredibly wishy-washy etc. wanting town cred from a lynch he not only did not push but opposed and soft defended. I've realized so far that my play is bad. But I want town to win and I want to have a part in this. So I'm proud of the little help I could give. It's true that I'm not the root cause for kush's slip but I think I provoked it somehow. Also I know it's better to establish my alignment by posting original cases. I failed at it for the moment but I'm going to improve. So my motivation is just to show people what makes me town. At least I try to be transparent in my actions. If you look at my backflip just after, I knew it would look weird but a lot of stuff happened in the thread while I was afk. So I quoted myself for it to be visible for everyone. And his vote post was a 180 degree backflip if I have ever seen one. Show nested quote + On September 29 2012 12:53 Djodref wrote: Here is my last statement about Kush... On September 28 2012 21:18 Djodref wrote: @corrosion I'm actually working in Korea so I don't enjoy so much free time . But a big national holiday is coming this week end so I should be able to participate to the thread and finish to read all the guides. @everyone This also means party time ! I'm currently headed to get drunk all night so you shouldn't be hearing from me until tomorrow 12.00 pm KST. Also I'm accepting Kush explanation for calling Darth a townie but it would be better for him to refrain calling someone a townie or a scum without explanations later on... I did accept his explanation at the time but I cannot let him off the hook for the posts where he said he didn't care about this game anymore. Also I really don't like the posts where he implies that debears is his scum partner. I don't see any pro-town motivation for such posts. That's why he's getting my vote now. ##Vote: kushm4sta Also a side note for the guys having trouble with my pseudo, you can call me Djo if you want Also there is a progression in his posting from kush may be town. To kush may be red to kush IS red. With no addition to the case or explanation. Show nested quote + On September 29 2012 20:11 Djodref wrote: Hey guys ! I'm going out tonight again so I'll see you all after kush flips red ^^ I might check the thread drunken and all when I come back but it should be after the deadline so don't expect me to change my vote anymore. I'm gaining confidence while playing this game. Also I'm reading the thread again and again. At that point, there was nothing to add on the case because it was obvious that kush was scum. By the way, DarthPunk also knew that kush was going to flip red but I agree that I should have given more explanations. See ya ! He [b]knows kush is going to flip red. Before the flip. And his previous posts were not even close to this sure. In fact. He was inclined to believe kush's weak excuses. He said maybe and might. Also read SDM's case on him. Third is Alsn. Soft defending Debears. Desperately trying to stop the kush lynch as hard as he could. Employer of WIFOM. Honestly Just look at Z- Boson's case against him. Town reads I have a probable town read on Z-Boson, and SDM. In no particular order. Z - Boson is playing to his town meta from everything I have seen so far. And SDM has been very helpful and has contributed a lot. It is only day one so take this with several grains of salt. But I thought I would put it out there in case I die. Anyway. Feel free to ask me questions etc. I have stopped grinding solo q for the day. So now I am much more motivated for mafia lol. I'll be glad to answer any questions from anyone | ||
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Thank you for the advice ! I think my wording was poorly chosen. SDM, DarthPunk and maybe some other guys are now suspicious of me so I wanted these guys to look at this particular post while considering the possibility than I was town rather than the possibility that I was scum. In fact, this is what I did by checking the filter of corrosion. I read his twice with the two following assumptions :
His filter makes more sense with the second option, especially when I look at his latest posts. So I have a mild town-read on him. SDM and Darth are for me almost confirmed townies so I feel bad to have them both suspecting me. @debears Regarding my case on you, could you make some comments about your scumslip rather than the part where I was wrong ? Also why do you think kush made these stupid posts about you ? Why was he defending you ? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 30 2012 20:29 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: After last night's post I've decide the lurker I found most suspicious is suspicious enough to call out. So far I've seen zero scum hunting from Djo. The best attempts I see are these two: + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 13:17 Djodref wrote: Hey, guys ! I would like to bring up something that struck me in the post of corrosion about Darth. I didn't like this post in general because it didn't match my interpretations of the early events between Kush and Darth but I understand that our views can differ. But looking back at corrosion filter, he's trying to find scummy motivation for Darth to give his links to his previous game. Check the bolded part in the spoiler. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote: I'm just going to address the "fight" between Darth and Kush. I'm going to focus on Darth for now. Looking more closely into Kush's contribution is something I think should be done well ahead of lynch time. I'm actually going to start by telling about some thoughts I had after reading my role PM. I was trying to figure out what players town should be focusing on. I had obsed NMMXXVII, and came to the conclusion that it might be reasonable to go after any player except Kush. I figured that Kush was going to make a lot of posts anyway, so I was thinking that we could get a good analysis of him without any early pressure. One of the first things Darth did was to antagonize Kush: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote: @sonic getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. I'm thinking that this could easily be an attempt to start a fight that would result in derailing the thread. Kush responded the way I expected him to, and these two posters exchanged arguments back and forth. In the middle of this, Darth made a remark against lurkers, but quickly changed his focus back on Kush. Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk? I don't see why he should make this comment at this time, since it wasn't going to get looked at while there was a fight going on. Shortly afterwards, Kush makes his supposed scum slip. Darth jumps on it, and shortly afterwards he posts about his previous mafia games. I've watched the game where he played cop, and seen that he and Shady argued a lot on D1. So I was thinking that this seems to be Darth's town meta. But I also asked myself why he did post about his previous games at this point in time. Maybe this was all intentional. Suppose he suddenly remembered that game. He might not have wanted people to look at those games earlier, but now he realized that if he posted them he would be able to establish a town read on himself. I'm not sure if this is a strong case against Darth at the moment. I would like some input from the more experienced players here. If Kush hadn't made that slip, I think the derailing argument would have looked strong. Now it doesn't look so strong, because we've actually gotten new information. I'm not saying that I'm sure the scum slip is an actual slip, but if it is and it results in a succesful lynch, I think town got very lucky. Scum usually wouldn't slip in such an obvious manner. His cases against Debears and Alsn are something that might reveal useful information, but I've not studied them closely yet. I still think that Kush seems more suspicious when everything is taken into consideration but with all the focus that has been on him, I'm sure someone else can post a decent case on him before we need to consider our first lynch. But Darth was just answering a request from debears ! + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 11:39 debears wrote: As I said, I want a quick look at you first. Second, there isn't much more to add to what you said about it. It does give off the impression of extra information. I think corrosion was trying to cast scummy shadow on Darth to shift the focus on Kush. I did so by omitting/deforming some parts of the thread history. Also, he fits my definition of a semi-lurker trying to blend in. So, corrosion, until I got your explanations about this point, I got my eyes on you. ##FoS: corrosion Here he brings up a point that had been brought up by Darth already, basically adding nothing on your own. I realized that afterwards but I was looking into the corrosion's filter so I missed Darth point about it. That's why I'm now totally believing corrosion defense about it. We have made the same kind of mistake... + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2012 16:19 Djodref wrote: Also I don't understand you stances on my alignment. After your first case on me, I thought you were suspicious of me. Later on, you recommend me to pm marv for help. You certainly know that marv is the town coach. So did you just let go your suspicions and consider me as town newbie ? Your town motivation would be to help a fellow citizen but in this case why do you think I'm town ? Your mafia motivation would be budding me and show pro-town behavior (unfortunately while slipping). And I would like you to answer my questions clearly in the future and not throwing me a question back. Again, this is a completely ripping off an earlier argument by Boson, adding nothing new. Aside from those two attempts, he's keeping his post count relatively high while not posting anything of value. So yeah, I've encouraged newbies to post, but this is exactly what I call posting for the sake of posting. Adding nothing new and just getting along, and that's scummy. Further... Show nested quote + On September 30 2012 06:52 Djodref wrote: @Alsn I understand why I'm on your null read list so far but I'd like to point out something to you and everybody. Here is the post where Kush has made his scumslip. + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote: should not have looked at thread again now I have to respond... @debears yeah it's like exactly the same as last game. That's because I think up my first post almost word for word before I even get my roll pm. I did not get to follow through with it last game though since I rolled scum. Also sorry for the semiflame war. It was not that bad. Also he started it. Aside from that, I think the plan to start tunneling during the second half of the day is really bad. It helped us a lot last game as scum because we had an excuse not to vote for the people we were fosing. Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote: @Kush thank you now I won't be nk Was it also a joke ? How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ? Because the most active townie is tunneling me? Obviously I'm not going to be nk. And yes it was a joke but the best jokes have truth to them. It is a joke in that it's purpose was to be funny since obviously it doesn't help the scumhunt or my defense. I'm actually proud of this one because he did it while answering one of my questions ^^ I think I deserve some town credit for that one even if I did buy kush's explanations about this slip later on. This is not the first time you're trying to give yourself townie points for asking a question to Kush. Last time it was more thinly veiled but it still caught my attention: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 15:00 Djodref wrote: Nevertheless, Kush slipped by answering my question about the NK. Asking Kush the question doesn't give you townie points. The thing with a scum slip is that it's obviously something which happens unintentionally, so if you were both scum it obviously wasn't planned anyway (or at least highly unlikely to have been). To be fair he did at least engage in the discussion, which can be seen as scum hunting, but not until Darth had aggresively called out Kush. What follows is this: It's one of the only thing I'm happy with my play until now except from my last case on debears. I wished it could give me town credit rather than looking suspicious But I totally get your point Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 13:27 Djodref wrote: It's a little illogical because you are saying that he looks scummy as town or as scum and yet you are able to make the difference between and scummy town Kush and a scummy scum Kush. I also read through the last Newbie Mini Mafia games and I must agree he didn't mention night kills so much when he was town iirc. I'm looking forward his explanations about his town read on you and I hope more people can give their opinion about your case on Kush. As I was also reading the game where you were mafia roleblocker and I saw your ability to flame with Shiaopi, I'm not buying it yet. Casting doubts on Darth's suspicion, downplaying it as a flame war. Even if Darth would be able to flame Kush as scum (he probably would), it's not the focus here, there are actually good arguments supporting the accusations. Actually I was really shocked by his absolute certitude about kush. As I already said, I wasn't confident at all early game and I couldn't not imagine a townie to be so sure of himself. I made the parallel with his play and flaming as roleblocker in his last game because of the confidence he showed also during the flaming. Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 15:00 Djodref wrote: @Everyone I'm going to take a stance on Kush when he explains why he thinks Darth to be town. Here he is keeping his options open, which is a convenient strategy in a pressured situation. Then actually buying into Kush's silly explanation: Show nested quote + On September 28 2012 21:18 Djodref wrote: Also I'm accepting Kush explanation for calling Darth a townie but it would be better for him to refrain calling someone a townie or a scum without explanations later on... Finally jumping the wagon with weak reasoning (later claiming my post helped pursaude him): When I woke up and looked at the thread it was then clear that kush was mafia. I did a poor job at explaining myself at the time but it's true that your post convinced me of the reality of the slip. I thank you for that Show nested quote + On September 29 2012 12:53 Djodref wrote: I did accept his explanation at the time but I cannot let him off the hook for the posts where he said he didn't care about this game anymore. Also I really don't like the posts where he implies that debears is his scum partner. I don't see any pro-town motivation for such posts. That's why he's getting my vote now. ##Vote: kushm4sta Also a side note for the guys having trouble with my pseudo, you can call me Djo if you want I realize this can be the result of him being a total newbie, but his posts are really unconvincing and worthy of suspicion. It pains me a little but this is exactly the result of me being a total newbie. I know I'm using this excuse way to much so I'll be posting cases from now on. Please let me improve ^^ ##FOS: Djodref | ||
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Well I would disagree about sheeping. Nobody so far has pointed out the defense you got from kush and the posts where he implies that you are his scumbuddy. So why do you think kush was defending you ? @everyone Before going to bed, I would like to state that my guess for the scumteam is now debears/alsn. I think Z-BosoN has the right of it. I'm asking for a vig shot on debears ! Also Remedy is too much of a lurker. I don't think we are going to encounter lylo or mylo situations in this game but I hope that we can get something of him before this... | ||
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