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On September 30 2012 20:03 kushm4sta wrote: I voted for shady because he called me a troll. There is no one better to vote for atm. I might as well vote for someone who was mean to me and has a history of being mean to me. Also I'm not a fan of his content. Maybe I need to read some past games of kush's, but this didn't seem as scummy to me as it does to others. Poor reason to vote, sure, but he could have just voted based on "wtf is shady doing/I don't buy this" and not looked odd. Don't see any reason to make himself this visible as scum with a sillyvote when a real explanation is easily at hand. + Show Spoiler + I think we should lynch BM24... On September 29 2012 10:37 BlackMamba24 wrote: game will start with a 24 hr night 0 by the way | ||
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On October 01 2012 11:39 kingjames01 wrote: So what we're shifting towards is whether Shady's 'plan' to preempt trolling was legitimate or a cover-up? That should not be the focus of our first day. Instead, I'd like Shady to come back to the thread and give us something more concrete. Shady: what do you think about the assertion that I was being wishy-washy? Also, tell us if you have a spy read on anyone yet, who and why. There's nothing in the OP about spy roles. There's nothing in the opening flavor about spy roles. There's nothing about spies ANYWHERE. Spies a neutral faction and KJ part of it? | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:47 kingjames01 wrote: BUNCHA STUFF THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPIES | ||
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All I know is that's 100% not town, "spy reads." ##Vote: kingjames01 | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:01 kingjames01 wrote: What? Spies? Where do you think I've been for the past while? I've been playing The Resistance. You can see it documented at boardgamegeek if you want. There we play Spies vs Resistance. Me saying spies in a mafia game doesn't mean that I made a slip just as me saying Town doesn't mean I'm a spy in a Resistance game. Why don't you guys actually do some real analysis. Take a look at Mementoss. What's he been up to and why doesn't he care about our win condition? I have no idea who you are. I have no idea where you've been at any point except in this game. Nor do I have magic powers and know that you play resistance, nor do I know the terms from that game. This works as an explanation for your comment, however. ##Unvote | ||
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On October 02 2012 02:39 kingjames01 wrote: By my count, the vote tally looks like this: kingjames01 - 7 votes kushm4sta - 3 votes Shady Sands - 3 votes VisceraEyes - 1 vote Unfortunately, I'm not convinced at all about kushm4sta nor Shady Sands. My vote is going on Mementoss until he starts putting some effort into the game. Do you find that Shady has put effort into the game? Do you find that kushm4sta's effort is doing anything positive for the game? | ||
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On October 02 2012 05:10 talismania wrote: Got half an hour til back to my expt and caught up to this post. What is this? I understand the first post bringing it up but this vote is extremely lazy and sets off all sorts of alarms given that kj already has this wagon going. That vote is extremely lazy. I also unvote him later because he gave an explanation for spies. | ||
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On October 02 2012 05:19 talismania wrote: Lol Marv said this was his normal meta? He should know better than that. This is VE after all. I'm more curious what VE himself says. "Interesting" is not what I expected. Austin so why'd you make it then? Do you see how it looks like you were basically looking for an excuse to hop on a wagon? I made it because he wrote the word SPIES. That word doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this game. Same as...q-bertz or whoever writing the word "mole" in bureaucracy. If you know something about a role that nobody knows EXISTS yet, then you're not town. Spies doesn't exist, he mentions spy reads, therefore he's not town. Turns out spies exist in some similar game, as a normal thing that people know about. | ||
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On October 02 2012 01:14 austinmcc wrote: Working on catching up. Did I absolutely miss this being discussed besides someone calling it a spy slip? People have QUOTED this post and not seemed to be concerned by this: There's nothing in the OP about spy roles. There's nothing in the opening flavor about spy roles. There's nothing about spies ANYWHERE. Spies a neutral faction and KJ part of it? On October 02 2012 02:01 austinmcc wrote: I'm voting KJ. Spies aren't mentioned anywhere. Could be third party, could be the scum team, we don't know. All I know is that's 100% not town, "spy reads." ##Vote: kingjames01 I'm not suggesting there's a role that is "spy." I specifically note that spy isn't a role in the OP. Nor would it make sense to ask for "spy reads" if spy were a role, I've never seen anyone ask another person for "DT reads" or "medic reads." On October 02 2012 05:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The bit about the mole was meant as an analogy to bureaucracy, because that's the only other time I've seen this done. YES, I said spy = role in that explanation post. However, that explanation post comes way after a vote where I note that spies aren't a role in the OP, which is why I note that it may be the scum faction or a third party faction. Calling it a role in the explanation was just crappy word choice.-_- if you read the OP you would clearly see above the roles that all in the game are included but details of them are not known. If their was a role with the name of spy everyone would know about it just not what it does. You jumping on him for something that is obviously not a role and wanting to lynch screams to me "i found a powerrole, lets lynch it" You have a horrible reason for jumping on KJ and it screams desperate for a reason to lynch him. | ||
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On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote: That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin That one's not intended to make me not useless. That one's intended to show that no, I didn't think "spy" was a role. Aperture's lynch was earlier. I needed to put time into that first. Now I can put time into this. | ||
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Trolling into...nothing. He returned at one point to post this: On October 01 2012 13:17 Shady Sands wrote: where he's reading through filters.In response to trolling: I think people are drastically overblowing the following post: How is that a lie, Marv? I explicitly said I was trolling even though on the very first page DrH told GRush to eff off for presumed trolliness. I knew this was going to get me a high chance of being modkilled. But given that there are people who are possibly smurfing for others here, there's still a risk that trolls are here, so I wanted to play that way to make sure no one dared to troll... or at least I could abuse tolerance for trolls to the same extent as others. Now reading through filters Within the next hour he's got 2 posts, so he was in thread. But no reads, no info, no anything about what he got from reading filters. ##Vote: ShadySands Interested in BC's feelings on shady. He mentions shady once, super early on, noting that he wants to see more: On October 01 2012 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC how do you feel about shady's lack of content? He hasn't added anything, but he wasn't on your list of people to lynch: Shady Sands seems to be similar in popularity to the Mattchew lynch from last game (mafia LVII) However I see a major difference like no major scumslip. Also given that near everyone seems content on him being a choice (although no real major voting), I am not inclined to lynch him until he posts more to get a better read. I would however like to see more from (surprise) Mattchew at this moment. Given his ballsy play last game, and the fact that my experience with him is that he is slightly more confident a player, I am not very impressed with his current play this game. It feels too underwhelming from my experience with him. If I am wrong I do apologize on this, but he has only really justified the behaviour of Shady, and asked people for their opinions. Not a lot to go on, and very non commital. I would like to see more posting from both these players, as well as seeing a more from sloosh and marvel so I can solidify a read on them. On October 02 2012 06:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Looking through the thread the only people who stand out as people I would want to lynch today are austin, risk, and mattchew. On October 02 2012 07:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:And you don't seem to want to discuss him at all: Does the lack of follow-up so far not do anything for your read on him?As for what I want to accomplish? Ideally a dead mafia, realistically I would like to salvage some of day 1 by giving it some content that isn't rehashed "i want to off KJ, Kush or Shady" | ||
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On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. I'm interested in BC's thoughts on Shady. I think Node's thoughts, already given, make Node look scummy. | ||
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Node Node is super duper scummy. Again, for emphasis On October 02 2012 09:00 austinmcc wrote: Node responds Another interesting mention of Shady: These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. To be fair, this was before he disappeared from the thread again. I don't like at all how he left completely once he wasn't in the lead for the lynch. Now that he's back in front don't be surprised to see him spring out of nowhere. However, I'd still rather see kush dead, overall. My thoughts have NOTHING to do with when Shady disappeared from thread. I call Node out for finding Shady town for (1) stopping trolling quickly (nothing to do with his absence later) and (2) saying he started to push other targets (which he didn't, before his absence).mkfuba On October 02 2012 07:19 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm trying to put my finger on what I dislike so much about this post. I'm back from class and should be here until the lynch. Like marv I may have to reconsider KJ. If he's bound to give himself away with his actions pretty quickly, then I can wait it out. I never found his "spy slip" scummy, just his interaction with Kei where he seemed to be implying that Kei was scummy, only to follow it up by saying he didn't say that. It could be considered as an accusation and distancing, but it could just be statement of facts as he saw them. My problem is that I'm not sure about voting for kush or shady. I'm not a fan of how either of them are playing, but I don't necessarily get scum from them. Shady is being incredibly strange with his absence, but that's not in keeping with either his town or scum metas. I didn't like Kush's policy lynch because "shady was mean to me", but that also doesn't tell me anything about his alignment. I'm going to take a look at austin. I'll also probably think a bit about mementoss, just 'cause. First clump is... I may have to reconsider KJ. Okay. He might reconsider. He finds KJ scummy for an interaction with kei which COULD be an accusation and distancing or COULD be a "statement of facts." Here's his earlier post: On October 01 2012 12:17 mkfuba07 wrote: it seems like there's more to it than just the kj/kei interaction. Overall, that first paragraph makes me think mkfuba is trying to slip off a kj lynch, or slip a read that he sees as becoming unpopular, but in a very wishy washy mannerAll that's really stuck out to me was the Kei + KJ interaction, as well as Shady's trolling explanation. I thought I found some inconsistencies with how Shady had played in the past, but it turned out that I was confusing him with another player in my first game. Since he posted his intent to "troll" before the game started, I'm not ready to use it as a reason to vote for him. His votes and reads seem a bit off to me as well, but I know from my experience with him that I almost always disagree with his early D1 reads. I kind of have a personal "no vote for shady until D2" policy (unless he still seems scummy to me and it will avoid a no-lynch). That leaves me with KJ. So far he's talked a lot without saying very much. He's pointed a few fingers and then quickly pulled them away. I believe it's understood that any D1 scumreads are going to be pretty weak (except in specific cases) but he seems to be placing more emphasis on the fact that he's not calling someone out than the fact that someone or something is scummy/suspicious. So my vote's going to fall on him. ##Vote kingjames01 Second clump! I don't know about voting for kush or shady. Shady is strange with his absence, kush's policy lynch is bad. Kush, at this point in the game, has voted roughly 3 billion people. Kush has posted that he wants to lynch about 800 townies. Kush has done all manner of weird-ass not-easily-explained things and mkfuba isn't sure about voting kush because of kush's policy lynch on shady at the start of the game. This shows me that mkfuba hasn't been reading thread at all, hasn't been reading kush's posts OR the posts about kush. shortly thereafter On October 02 2012 07:46 mkfuba07 wrote: What bothers me most about austin is what's already been said: he apologizes for his absence, and then follows it up by only mentioning the spy-slip. Is that really all there is to talk about right now? His first post of the game also bothers me. You'd think that since it was such a "fun night" he would have a lot to comment on, but for over 24 hours all he mentions is how something kush has said isn't as scummy as some people apparently find it. After that he gets trapped in spy-slip land, when that issue can be resolved by reading the OP. He's posted a lot (comparatively) and yet has said little except that he didn't find kush too scummy hours ago. Not sure if scummy or just busy+confused... boom. mkfuba grabs my first post. I get TRAPPED in spy-slip land when I could have read the OP, when again, I went to spy-slip land in part because there are no spies in the OP --> not reading me closely. mkfuba finishes up his vote with "not sure if scummy or just busy+confused" he votes me. he doesn't know if I'm scummy. he just refused to vote kush or shady because he didn't "necessarily get scum from them." he just entirely skipped over everything kush had done. HOW IS THIS LOGICAL? How do you vote someone you don't know is scum, not vote two people you don't know are scum, blah blah blah. | ||
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Z-BosoN You know who's been talking about Node in thread? ALMOST NOBODY! You know who makes a random mention of node and his thoughts? Z-Boson! On October 01 2012 23:09 Z-BosoN wrote: This was one of the weirdest things in the thread. Node makes a single post, which I find super duper scummy but which, at the very least, didn't feel like it was incredibly memorable (nobody seems to remember him). Z-Boson, FIVE AND A HALF HOURS later, casually says that node disagrees with something. You know the only person who remembers what node posted that long ago in a single post....NODE'S TEAMMATE. If Z-Boson made this remark and isn't node's teammate, then ... I dunno. That's not going to happen.Dude, you referred to a specific part that I mentioned. Do you want me to quote it for you? My main concern is how he took the tone of putting him above other posters, and then went ahead to give a confusing case on KJ and stating he wants him to be lynched, but doesn't take a stance and just keeps it at a "I'd go with his lynch". I also don't like how he criticized KJ for for not commenting on the main aspects of the game when he himself had just bothered dealing with Ss case, after a long time tunneling annul for a petty reason (imo). Node seems to disagree with you, on the bolded part. @marv Yea his not making a single case yet with no followup for his vote on me is definitely suspicious. In XXIV he was all over the place. I don't like how most of the votes on him are based solely on the trolliness, which is an entirely different saspect. Kush is another player that is heavily scummy, and he has a very hard time making cases when he's scum, so I'd rather wait a bit before taking a stance on him. I don't like, however, how sharrant dealt with why ss isn't scummy, especially his explanation on how it could be town/scum motivated. My view is just that he has some issues and thought it would be funny, and in his embarassment he posted a ridiculous "according to plan" follow up that increased his ridiculousness, and tthats iT, nothing more. What happens after is an entirely different matter, but not why ppl are wanting to lynch him for. God, typing on my cellphone takes forever Risen: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 01:26 Risen wrote: That's not the case against kj at all! That was my concern with kj. Everyone else is voting based on wishy washy, or how something is contrived but only seems contrived, or because he's not scumhunting. Risen completely disregards all that and misrepresents the case. Oddddddddddddddd. Risen also puts bad tags in his post somewhere or something to annoy meI don't think it's a scum slip, I think it's a tiny thing that adds up to him being the most likely scum candidate up for lynch right now. He's completely fine with lynching a towny, just because... it's not like the person he's ok with flipping green is playing horribly. The main reason I'm voting for him was outlined in my initial vote post in here. The case against kj seems to revolve around him saying spy read. I'd like to see how he responds to that "slip". If he doesn't respond adequately (or at all since he seems to have fallen off the planet once someone pointed out the slip, maybe he's hoping it would just go away?) I'm all for moving my vote to him. Another problem I have with Shady is a connection between him and ShiaoPi. I can't help but think if Shady flips red it makes Shiao look so much worse b/c Same with Z-Boson. The post that makes me vote FOR Shady Sands is the one that convinces you he's not worth your vote? I mean cmon, this feels like the most fake posting I've ever seen. To sum: I want to see how Shady flips because... 1) He's my top scum read (we'll see how kj responds, and a red Shady doesn't make him green at all) 2) It will tell me more about Z-Boson and ShiaoPi. mementoss: + Show Spoiler + Returned to the thread after a big absence in a way that felt very off On October 02 2012 03:59 Mementoss wrote: The spy thing has already been covered. Nobody is caring about the spy thing.I don't think the spy thing is a slip at all either. Especially since there is no mention of spies anywhere in OP role list. @kingjames, your completely right that my filter and effort so far is pretty shit. But I don't see why you would chose me over the 10 other people who has like 3-5 posts with minimal substance. Can you give us a scum read with a better more fleshed out explanation that can be discussed and cause some sort of additional discussion? As per marvs / others point on Kushs meta im going to ##Unvote As it seems he doesn't make any sense regardless of alignment and has shown similar thoughts and logic loops in other games. When is the deadline? 7.5 hours? I won't be making any lynch deadlines if thats the case. I will have to re look through for a good lynch target. mementoss's response to kj is "Yeah, my filter is bad. So are a bunch of other filters. Can you do more substantial scumhunting?" I don't know what to make of it but just...that little response gets stuck in my head. iamperfection: + Show Spoiler + This On October 01 2012 05:45 iamperfection wrote: struck me as very similar to thisim in favor of lynching this guy. All in favor? On October 01 2012 05:43 iamperfection wrote: which was recently posted in a scumiamperfection gameWe are seriously going to allow this crap? Ive played about 6 games of tl mafia and this is the biggest pile of crap ive seen yet. ## Vote ghost_403 And a final thought, because they caught me eye. I lean town on both VE and annul. Annul's post on clues in the daypost and post on not over-prioritizing clues v. scumhunting felt townie. VE's original bit on annul feels townie, knocking clue speculation because a mod had pointed out no clues in the daypost AFTER annul posts his bit is ... not good grounds for building a case as scum? I'd think scum would try and pick something more substantive to build off of | ||
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marv, shady looked the worst out of the legit lynch options when I came back. I'd be much happier lynching either node or mkfuba, but neither of them had votes and hadn't combed back through the entire thread in detail. | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:02 BroodKingEXE wrote: Check his filter for posts, there aren't too many. Spoilered is why I found him scummy.That never happens. Can someone give me a quick node reason, AFAIK hes a lurker + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 10:40 austinmcc wrote: Alrighty. Got a bunch of disorganized thoughts that I'm going to put down. First off, two people that are REALLY REALLY SCUMMY. Node Node is super duper scummy. Again, for emphasisNode responds My thoughts have NOTHING to do with when Shady disappeared from thread. I call Node out for finding Shady town for (1) stopping trolling quickly (nothing to do with his absence later) and (2) saying he started to push other targets (which he didn't, before his absence). | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Omfg austin really loves me. I'm just going to ignore you this time, I make an oath that your bad arguments will bother me no more. You also seem a lot more scummy this game. At least on LVII your arguments made sense, from an ape's perspective. Right now you just seem desperate. I, Z-BosoN, solemnly swear, to never defend myself from austin's scrutiny ever again. A few people mention offhand that they want to see more from Node. You are the ONLY person to reference something he said and use it maybe in an argument. He's got a single post five+ hours before you mention him, and yet you just make this offhand remark about what he said. I don't find YOU overtly scummy this game. But that remark was one of the top 2 strangest things in the thread. | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:12 kushm4sta wrote: + Show Spoiler +I dont regret voting for nodes but I also didn't see any good arguments really. @Austin you say that his defense of shady has nothing to do with when shady disappeared. However, part of the reason node defended shady was because he was scumhunting, which he was doing somewhat before he disappeared. So the fact that the defense of him was before shady's disappearance does matter. On September 30 2012 13:54 Shady Sands wrote: Yes! Thank goodness the gambit worked. The whole plan was either to troll hard and have some fun, or enjoy a serious, non-troll game of Mafia by inciting the mod to explicitly threaten a modkill for trolling and scare all the trolls into the straight and narrow. Shiao, you can thank me after the game is over. With that being said, I find the easy rando-vote at the beginning highly suspicious. ## Unvote ## Vote Z-Boson Explain your rando-vote without trolling as a factor. On September 30 2012 14:14 Shady Sands wrote: Hmmmm here Z-Boson soft defends kush Then kush follows by sheeping his vote ##FoS Kush On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. Node just notes that he doesn't think Shady would reappear and start pushing targets. Shady doesn't really PUSH anyone. He votes Z-BosoN for a random vote, then asks Z-Boson to explain the vote. He thinks kush is connected to Z-Boson because of a "soft defense" and vote (And iirc, someone pointed out after this that Z-BosoN had already moved the vote that kush "sheeped"). Shady didn't push anyone. Shady voted a guy while asking him to explain himself, then made some weird connection concerning sheeping that didn't exist. II disagree that Shady was actually scumhunting here (even if he's somehow town, this wasn't scumhunting) and I think Node is completely misrepresenting what Shady was doing when he says it was "pushing targets" | ||
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On October 02 2012 11:31 annul wrote: that is not to say everyone on the wagon is red, but in this situation with how ez it is rolling this quickly.... lotsa reds probably in the initial push. I agree that, if he flips scum, there's AT LEAST one red in the rush of votes. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:07 annul wrote: ..... no he didn't? if i am just 100% blind or something please quote where he said this, but i am re-reading his two posts a lot and i see nothing of this sort On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing. So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4sta Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct. He "defends" shady, yes. But half his defense is that shady pushed reads, and half is that shady stopped trolling. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:10 annul wrote: okay, i see now where you get that from. i interpreted this part to be future-predictive, not past-indicative. like he is saying "i dont expect this to happen." note the difference in verb tense between the two clauses: "i don't think he would've dropped" (past tense) vs "i don't think he would be willing to reappear" (future tense) It makes no sense for node to have defended shady based on what he might do in the future. if you interpret it that way, it's not a defense, it's speculation about future actions that shady might take | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:14 annul wrote: THAT specific sentence fragment is speculative. the rest of it is obviously a defense What rest of it? If you take that part out, you're left with On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly His trolling wasn't scummy. If he were scum, he wouldn't have stopped trolling so quickly. I still don't find the second bit there any good, and it's very suspicious to me. Shady was spewing obscenities and typing in half caps. He did it enough that mods warned him. Node defends Shady because Shady stopped doing something that the mods told him to stop doing. Great defense. So unless you like that point, Node's defense was "His trolling antics were silly, but they weren't scummy." | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:26 annul wrote: Man, I was just finding you townie.i never said it was a good defense. but you are not seriously going to argue that it is not "A" defense, right? How are you going to say that node defended shady, which you liked because it matched what you were doing all day. then people bring up the text of node's defense, which was the root of my post on him, which seems to be the root of this voteswap. Node's defense is not that single line about trolling being silly but not scummy. His defense is (1) trolling is silly but not scummy, (2) shady stopped trolling quickly, (3) shady started pushing people (3) didn't happen mods TOLD him to stop doing (2) you can't then look at (1) and go "see, there's a defense. Just not a good one." That's entirely disingenuous. You were just happy he made a defense at all. It's been pointed out that the defense was bad and it was based on misrepresenting shady's play. You can't then take the one bit that isn't based on a misrepresentation and go "see, a defense!" You have to take it as a whole. And the whole thing, which is technically defense, isn't just A defense, it's A SCUMMY defense. | ||
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In the same way that some may have concerns about the way votes are coming in, look at some of the votes going elsewhere, or admonitions to go elsewhere: On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote: Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Wagon looks scummy. Nothing about node himself, nothing about node's posts On October 02 2012 12:30 Z-BosoN wrote: Allright, there he is. I've decided that I will not give a shit about what people are saying regarding meta and choose whoever I think is scummiest and makes a better lynch. I'm going with coagulation because of what I've stated earlier on him. He hasn't posted anything useful so far and flows along with content-less posts. Shows no real interest in scum hunting and his association with me on shady sands is ridiculous, as if he is incapable of reading. ##Unvote ##Vote Coagulation Dude who randomly mentions Node On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands Node lynch is "strange." Is Node himself scummy? Are Node's posts scummy? | ||
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On October 02 2012 14:27 annul wrote: Just for fun, no way.then i move for a directed verdict. and it would be granted. This is criminal, no way you've shown no scintilla of evidence to prove guilt. | ||
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On October 02 2012 18:35 Kreb wrote: Lets look at the case on Node itself: The case is built by the fact that, according to austin, Node calls Shady town for weak reasons. Yet he doesnt say anywhere in his post he calls him towny, he calls Shady "not scummy", not "towny". Also the case is largely built on the fact that Shady would be scum (I agree Node would look suspicious in that case, but now we know better at least). But if the case is built on that we should be pushing Shady, get his flip and then push Node afterwards when we know Shadys alignment. is incorrect. The case is not "Shady is scum and Node called him town, trying to cover for his scumbuddy." Again, it's this: On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. These feel like incredibly bad reasons for a townread. I don't see how NoT coNtINUinG TYpINg LIKe tHIs and throwing a bunch of obscenities around is townie. I don't see Shady pushing other targets. The case is that Node is throwing out a townread for FOUL reasons. Yes, semantically, Node uses the term "not scummy" and "If he were scum he would do x I don't think he would do what he's doing." But if Shady is not scum, and is not acting as scumShady would act, then there's no great leap of logic involved here in saying Node has a townread on Shady. But, again, the reasoning behind the read is: (1) silly, not scummy trolling; (2) stopped trolling; and (3) pushing targets. (3) is either a lie, or if you're annul, it's speculation about the future. (2) is ridiculous because he received a message from mods telling him to stop. (1) has nothing behind it at all. Shady flipping town changes none of that. You know who has bad townreads on townies? Scum. scumNode knows Shady's alignment, and the post in which he calls Shady town (or "not scum" if you prefer) is ... either one step up or one step down from just saying "Shady town" with NO reasoning. | ||
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Everyone who is just going "node wagon looked bad" or "node wagon node wagon" is a wanker, to paraphrase...golden? Therefore, I present to you: YE OLDE LIST O' WANKERS slOosh - On October 02 2012 12:11 slOosh wrote: Still reading for context but I'm currently of annul's viewpoint that the switch seems ... unnatural for a lack of better term. The lynch candidate selection is basically a lurker list (none of the cases really stuck out as built on strong analysis), and with an inactive town as this the lynch sway has me concerned. When you have a selection of alright lynch targets and a sudden switches happens from one to another, it raises flags. Will read up on other candidates and give thoughts on them. On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands Post 1 - The switch is "unnatural." The switch raises flags. slOosh will "read up on the other candidates." This indicates that slOosh actually has read Node, "the other candidates" implies he's read a candidate at this point. Yet he says NOTHING substantive about Node, talks ONLY about the votes. Post 2 - Substantive reasons on Shady as to why he's leaning that way. Nature of the Node lynch is "strange." Still nothing substantive about Node, to compare his substantive thoughts on Shady to. On October 02 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote: After I call him out on this, he gives substantive thoughts on Node, calls him scummy. Notes that I tossed out a bunch of names, despite having been absent from the thread and having to go read the substantive cases on people he knows what my posts looked like. Also, I tossed out two names I wanted to lynch - Node and mkfuba. While there were other people I wrote about, those were the only two I was pushing as actually scummy. I don't like that slOosh has just returned to thread, seems to kind-of know what's been posted, but not quite.Node is scummy. I think what you found about his post was valid. However we can only lynch 1 at a time and I find Shady a better target for the reasons I stated. The strangeness of Node's lynch was that there was a disconnect between the push and the votes - you tossed out a bunch of names and his was just picked up. It's enough to sway me to Shady. Coagulation - On October 02 2012 12:17 Coagulation wrote: Wagon looks scummy. No substantive thoughts on Node. Everyone keep your votes on shady sands. Node bandwagon looked scummy as fuck and only makes shady look even scummier. Kreb is NOT a wanker. Kreb is, as far as I read it, the only person who actually looked at the post on Node, read Node's posts, and formulated an actual opinion about what Node was saying, what the case was saying, and why he disliked it (annul doesn't count, next post will cover that). I don't love that Kreb only does this the next day, but he wasn't posting and said he'd gone to sleep. Believable. I don't love that Kreb is kind of misrepresenting the cases he's looking at. But still, dude actually looked at stuff. Compared to YE OLDE WANKERS that's a marked improvement. | ||
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And finally, drumroll, please HIS LORDSHIP, KING OF THE WANKERS; GRAND POOBAH OF WANKERS LODGE No. 237; WANKER-O NUMERO UNO; THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE REFORMED CHURCH OF THE BLESSED WANK; HE-WHO-SHALL-NOT-BE-WANKED annul - Act 1, in which our wanker beginneth his wank On October 02 2012 11:10 annul wrote: this node push seems VERY forced, wtf On October 02 2012 11:17 annul wrote: its happening extremely fast extremely easily and with no resistance. On October 02 2012 11:31 annul wrote: that is not to say everyone on the wagon is red, but in this situation with how ez it is rolling this quickly.... lotsa reds probably in the initial push. On October 02 2012 11:40 annul wrote: and i am NOT arguing for node's color one way or the other on any type of substantive case. that is, i am not basing my claims on what he himself has said or done. i am basing it based on circumstances revolving how everyone else is voting for him. it just does not make sense. a bus in this situation is a terrible play for the red team i think... and so based on the rush of votes, he is probably not red. as for a substantive case against node, ill read that filter closely after marv's Here's a big ol' list of quotes in which annul worries about the wagon, worries about the wagon, there's scum on the wagon. At the end, he specifically notes that he isn't arguing node's color, isn't arguing substance, and is going to read node's filter. (1) Rush of votes for scum doesn't mean that player isn't scummy, ESPECIALLY right before deadline. All of a sudden the whole day got turned upside-down, scum is in a panic, any push for a scum lynch is going to pick up some scum votes before they sort things out. (2) annul has been posting about the node push now for 30 minutes. 11:10-11:40. At 11:40, he notes that he'll read node's filter after marv's. Node's filter is like...2 or 3 posts, and annul hasn't read it in the 30 minutes he's been casting doubt on this lynch. On October 02 2012 11:56 annul wrote: and read node's filter this was very easy. two posts. first post defends shady and calls out kush; second post retreats from this defense slightly and continues to argue against kush. considering node's only two posts match what i have been arguing all along............. i like this guy. the big question now is what it is about these two posts that caused 8 people to drop their pants and go all in on this guy. like, i read the posts... what is there exactly that people are seeing? this doesnt make sense. 8 votes on him so i have to assume with a normal mafia count that there are at least some towns on him.... why? end scene Act 2, in which the wank-fiend beginneth to rear his head On October 02 2012 11:56 annul wrote: and read node's filter this was very easy. two posts. first post defends shady and calls out kush; second post retreats from this defense slightly and continues to argue against kush. considering node's only two posts match what i have been arguing all along............. i like this guy. the big question now is what it is about these two posts that caused 8 people to drop their pants and go all in on this guy. like, i read the posts... what is there exactly that people are seeing? this doesnt make sense. 8 votes on him so i have to assume with a normal mafia count that there are at least some towns on him.... why? When we last saw our heroic townies doing battle to lynch Node, annul came in with this. The first post defends shady. Node's two posts match what annul has been arguing. annul doesn't understand what's scummy about node's posts. iamperfection immediately picks up on annul's post - On October 02 2012 12:01 iamperfection wrote: when did shady push anything? How could a town player reading the thread think shady is town because he pushed something after his trolling. what did shady push? annul's response - On October 02 2012 12:03 annul wrote: ....nowhere did i mention shady pushing anything? node has two posts. annul has apparently read them. annul can't understand why townies are on node, which assumes that he's read my post on node and doesn't agree with it. But he 100% seems to have no idea HOW node defended shady. annul finds node townie for defending shady without reading HOW node did so? Urrbody knows what iamperfection is talking about: On October 02 2012 12:04 Sharrant wrote: @Annul I think the point Perfection was making is that Node mentioned both of those things. He's answering your question by asking you if you think it's possible for a townie to have done those things. On October 02 2012 12:05 kingjames01 wrote: I think he means Node. except for annul On October 02 2012 12:07 annul wrote: ..... no he didn't? if i am just 100% blind or something please quote where he said this, but i am re-reading his two posts a lot and i see nothing of this sort end scene Act 3, in which the wank-fiend hath been spotted by the loyal villagers. out! out! foul wank-fiend On October 02 2012 12:10 annul wrote: Sorry guys, I didn't see where node said Shady was pushing targets. Even though everyone else did. I didn't see it because I interpreted it as another verb tense.okay, i see now where you get that from. i interpreted this part to be future-predictive, not past-indicative. like he is saying "i dont expect this to happen." note the difference in verb tense between the two clauses: "i don't think he would've dropped" (past tense) vs "i don't think he would be willing to reappear" (future tense) (1) It's still plainly there, no matter what tense you think the verb is (2) Like I point out, On October 02 2012 12:11 austinmcc wrote: arguing about the verb tense is ridiculous, because if node was being "future-predictive," then...what!? Seriously, then what. Who actually argues "well x might do this in the future, therefore he's town." That's a tremendously awfulbad thing to call someone not scummy for, that they might do townie stuff in the future. That makes node look EVEN WORSE to me, because his townread on shady is based on predictions about the future.It makes no sense for node to have defended shady based on what he might do in the future. if you interpret it that way, it's not a defense, it's speculation about future actions that shady might take annul responds - On October 02 2012 12:14 annul wrote: THAT specific sentence fragment is speculative. the rest of it is obviously a defense So one of three pieces of Node's "defense," which annul liked and found a defense, is "speculative." The rest is "obviously" a "defense." What happens when you remove this bit that's speculative and take the obvious defense? On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote: Ah much better. Now Node is defending shady because...his trolling was silly and not scummy, and if he were scum, he wouldn't have stopped trolling so quickly...you know, it's not like the mods messaged him and told him to knock it off. Surely that wasn't why he stopped, surely he would have kept going if he were scum.I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly annul's response - On October 02 2012 12:26 annul wrote: i never said it was a good defense. but you are not seriously going to argue that it is not "A" defense, right? David Attenborough voice, "Here, we see town applying logic to the wank-fiend. This kills the wank-fiend." annul's initial substantive argument for Node's townieness was that he (1) defended Shady and attacked kush; (2) which was what annul had been doing; and (3) annul didn't see the scumminess. Since then, annul has had some problems reading Node's post and seeing the "pushing targets" language. Then he found the pushing targets language to be speculative about the future, i.e., not a defense of Shady's actions. Then he considers the leftover bit a defense. Then it's pointed out that half of the leftovers is that Shady did what mods ordered him to do. annul is left with "i never said it was a good defense." ...this is not the sort of bad defense that makes someone appear townie. This is the sort of bad defense that makes it look like Node knew Shady's alignment and wanted to defend him, because 2/3 of his reasoning was not legitimate grounds for a town read, which annul seems to acknowledge. If I had been defending Shady, like annul was, I would not be happy that Node also posted this defense, a bad defense, of Shady. That doesn't give me a town feeling about someone when they have a defense like Node did, that makes me worry about my own read. annul also still hasn't said he's changed his mind about the scumminess of the defense...despite letting it be picked apart and finally clinging to "I never said it was a good defense." How is a bad defense, based on bad reasoning, out of nowhere, a townie thing? end scene Act 4, hideth thine children, hideth thine wife, forsooth, the wank-fiend is afoot and wanking about town The scene is Liquid City. ~30 minutes until lynch time. On October 02 2012 12:47 annul wrote: Translation, "it is ~30 minutes until lynch and I don't like Z-BosoN's filter and he has strange logic." Nothing specific (although Z-BosoN does look odd)i don't like what i see in boson's filter. he jumps around like a pinball and has very strange logic for doing so (if he has any at all). On October 02 2012 12:47 annul wrote: Translation, "it is 25 minutes until lynch and I'm 'going to see if this works.'" If what works? Who knows!?i don't like what i see in boson's filter. he jumps around like a pinball and has very strange logic for doing so (if he has any at all). On October 02 2012 12:51 annul wrote: i agree shady is not the kill. he will be modkilled/replaced and we can get a better read off his replacement anyway. however, node is not the kill either. look at boson's filter compared to node's. that's the kill i think. Translation, "I would like to start a wagon on a new candidate with 25 minutes until lynch, after just disparaging another wagon for picking up 8 votes in 12 minutes. However, I want to hit majority in 25, with a completely new candidate and no case, go read his filter yourself." On October 02 2012 12:55 annul wrote: we have 22 minutes. node got 8 votes in 12. anything can happen. Shady returns to thread. annul never pushed Z-BosoN for realsies, and then On October 02 2012 13:10 annul wrote: riiiiiight. ##unvote ##vote shady sands On October 02 2012 13:11 annul wrote: take picture of airport departure board please (that shows the current time etc) and post it. you do this and youll be believed and unvoted. So Shady wasn't scum a moment ago. Nor was node scum. We should vote Z-BosoN for no reason. But when Shady comes to thread, Shady is now scum. Shady is scum because...he said he was stepping off a plane. annul did not think Shady was scum, until he returned to thread, at which point he's scum unless he can take a picture and post it to thread in under 4 minutes. annul never mentions why, despite defending Shady eariler (i.e. finding him town), and finding him town minutes before Shady's return, the mere fact that Shady is back with an excuse for his absence now makes him mafia. annul defended Shady's PLAY. How does the return overpower the town read on Shady's play for annul? We don't know, because he never says. On October 02 2012 14:06 annul wrote: then when shady pulled his last minute return thing, it became a no-brainer to jump onto him. whereas slOosh and Coag just said "wagon bad" and gave no reads on Node, annul is the only person to actively defend the guy on substance. annul's defense is repeatedly attacked because it feels like he's got no idea what he's talking about, and he ends his defense by noting that Node didn't mount a good defense for Shady, nothing more. Not why a bad and suspicious defense is a townie thing. He never readdresses his post in which he fuond Node town to update with things like "Oh yeah, that defense was no good," "Oh yeah, I can see why defending someone based on what they might do in the future and for obeying mods might be scummy," or anything like that. slOosh and coag are mere wankers. That's not alignment-indicative at this point. But, fair townies, annul is the foul wank-fiend. He must be vanquished. I still would prefer to see Node dead first. 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On October 03 2012 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Someone shoot him. We can lynch Node easier than Annul, and I want them both dead. Medics, on me and marv. DTs, on BC and Mattchew. We totally got this. Granted, there are no clues in the daypost, but I'm a little hesitant to call targets that specifically, given that the OP has all roled in black. We can't entirely rule out the existence of a mafia medic role. I'm happy with shots into either node OR annul, because, while annul does feel more difficult to lynch at this point, if node flips red then annul looks awful, and if node flips green then annul looks really, really odd. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:17 Risen wrote: What does a Paranoid Arsonist do? I looked up arsonist, but have no idea what having paranoid attached to it means. I know paranoid gun owner kills anyone who targets him at night. So I was thinking it was the same thing? | ||
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He expresses displeasure with a Shady lynch: On October 02 2012 09:52 annul wrote: is it really between KJ and shady sands? this seems suboptimal to me but does not defend Shady or say why, just that the lynch is suboptimal But for someone so focused on the minutiae of language used, this: On October 02 2012 11:56 annul wrote: and read node's filter this was very easy. two posts. first post defends shady and calls out kush; second post retreats from this defense slightly and continues to argue against kush. considering node's only two posts match what i have been arguing all along............. i like this guy. the big question now is what it is about these two posts that caused 8 people to drop their pants and go all in on this guy. like, i read the posts... what is there exactly that people are seeing? this doesnt make sense. 8 votes on him so i have to assume with a normal mafia count that there are at least some towns on him.... why? Still leaves me with an impression that he doesn't take issue with node's defense of shady. He's only saying positive things about node's post, and if he disagreed with node on one of the two things that node has done in his posts, I would think that he'd mention so. But yes, annul did not defend shady earlier in the day. That did not happen. The play has received some bad reviews. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:27 Risen wrote: I just remember PGO from looking it up after seeing that acronym. I dunno the interactions. I think I'm in the same boat just googling names and seeing what pops up.So a doctor wouldn't protect someone who targets a paranoid arsonist. Alright. Oh...hey. Super relevant. DrH's post on the other queue site: A fairly normal game with excessive flavor. Semi-closed set-up. Role names will be disclosed, but role powers will not be. No in-thread activity requirements but voting is mandatory. I don't think we're meant to know what all the roles mean/do.This game will consist of a town, mafia and a single third party player. The third party player winning will not end the game unless he meets a more difficult and specific condition. Certain roles have access to vague clues. There will never be clues in the day or night posts. If a player is mod-killed, they will not flip. Also confirms 1 third party with abnormal win condition. | ||
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On October 03 2012 02:39 annul wrote: hey VE and austin 0-100% how sure are each of you that i am a red? Currently, I'm finding you scummy for your interactions last night. I found you townie before that. So...right now you're maybe somewhere around 70-80% for me. If node flips red, you jump way up and I don't think you can be town. speaking of node, how do you feel about him? You found him townie, but never updated that read. If you think he was speaking in future tense, do you think that defending a player by talking about what he might do in the future and what he did because mods ordered him to do is townie? Do you think that's green defending green? | ||
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On October 03 2012 03:15 Risen wrote: Adding on to what marv said, defending a towny flip isn't town-leaning or scum-leaning in my mind. I defend towny flips all the time when I'm scum. VE knows this from my fervent defense of his doctor claim d1 in some mafia a while back. I agree with this, but how do you read Node's defense? Sure, either alignment could defend someone, but at the margins you can kind of tell when a town player is defending a townread versus a scum player defending someone they know is town. | ||
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On October 03 2012 04:10 Risen wrote: It's true it's a risk to take as a scum player, but it requires people to actively go back and look much later in the game. Kill the people willing to put in that kind of effort and boom, easy town cred. I was posting it as a warning for people not to use it as alignment telling. Do you read Node's post as a townie defense or a scummy defense of Shady? | ||
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BC, is this still your line of thinking: On October 02 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Austin did what I think is insanely weird play and jumped out at me as scummy whereas annul has only done things that leap out and scream annul. He is one of the few people I find extremely hard to read and always have. coagulation, your whole D1 is shady sands and z-boson. What's your read of Node? Also, if you were a fake fortune-telling gypsy, and BroodKingEXE walked into your fortune telling shop and asked you who the third party in this game was, what would you tell him? (Don't use any real fortune-telling powers you have, fake fortune-teller only) | ||
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On October 03 2012 05:46 iamperfection wrote: can someone point to me to a time when austin was ever in real danger of getting lynched in the thread? Also misguided townie i love that one marv might steal it. I may not be the best person to answer this, but I'm still not quite sure if I was. I never got a bunch of votes, but sentiment seemed to be heading that way. Can't tell whether we would have had a big wagon or not, and tbh I can't tell whether some of the people suspicious of me or voting me were actually going to stick with it. I seem to always be mafia D1 to marv. | ||
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Node scum. If node scum, annul and Z-BosoN scum. mkfuba very scummy. annul is odd no matter node's alignment, but I'd be much more convinced of SCUM if node is red. slOosh's return and look at mattchew strike me as not-scum. BC and coag feel kind of distant. BC entered thread with a lot of thoughts yesterday, but mainly just called half the thread scummy (mainly for doing things that were scummy). I wish he'd interacted more with thread towards deadline last night, and I wish he'd have some thoughts on people who aren't scummy and whatnot. Coag I have never played with, and he's kind of in the same boat - wherefore art thou Coageo? I think the meta arguments on Kush are overblown. If he's got a clear town meta and scum meta, and then is clearly told the difference between those two, then the whole thing flies out the window slightly. Unless he's got oodles and oodles of games where he's clearly town or scum, he can just play like he normally would with less f bombs and know he'll look townie on meta. So I don't give them too much credence. that leaves out a whole lotta players. Some, like BKE/Talismania were active early on and then completely absent. | ||
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To BC or whoever came in and gave some actually substantive thoughts on Node looking like Node and me looking like I looked better but still not very good, I liked some of those posts. I think if you read the two big posts I put up, I've got 2 actual targets that I found scummy, and then the rest of the players I mentioned were for interesting posts or scummy posts, but not with the reads I had on node and mkfuba. I don't know if reading those posts as 2 big suspicions and then a bunch of thoughts I had while catching up makes you feel better about those posts or not. I think I have a townread on risen. I forget why I had it earlier, but I do. Man that's not helpful at all. vigs please look at node, annul. | ||
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I thought this stopped being a clue game, lol. Also, ##Vote: marvellosity marv, if everyone in this game were a sherpa that you could hire to climb mount everest, which sherpa would you hire? Which sherpa has summited the most times? Which sherpa is actually one kid standing on another kid's shoulders inside a big coat, trying to make some sweet, sweet sherpa $ in order to buy food for their families? | ||
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My apologies wank-fiend. I saw not the good in your heart, beneath your fiendish exterior. | ||
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On October 03 2012 23:20 Mementoss wrote: How do you know this? If its not beneficial to me or the town don't answer. Lol marv ##Vote: Marvellosity Because I got a pm that said so. | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:29 Z-BosoN wrote: I have trouble believing this. Why on earth would anyone protect you? Because I'm town? Because they think I'm town? Because I put a bunch of work into this game N1? Because they agreed with my reads? Because their role is austinmcc-protector? Because they loved the play I wrote? I dunno, ask them. | ||
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On October 04 2012 00:54 Coagulation wrote: I did read thread.. but I missed the marv thing in a bunch of garbage about shirpas and ninja votes.. So im lazy but not rlly. HEY! That's not garbage. It's a legitimate question, which he dodged. Therefore, he's scum and we all voted him. | ||
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On October 04 2012 01:18 Z-BosoN wrote: Them, please tell me why austin would come even close to being a good medic save? No, but seriously. You were being pegged as scum. Hard to think scum would choose to shoot you over someone else. Even harder to think that a medic would have saved you. The only plausible reason someone could have "saved" you were if they jailed you. Are you sure you got hit or did you just get saved? Because if you got hit, the only plausible explanation is that a vig shot you AND a jk protected you. Other than that, scum is feeling super confident and deciding to eliminate the most scummy looking players. I think you're overstating me being "pegged as scum." I think you think that, because you have perhaps been caught. Stop fishing. You can try to shoot me another night. | ||
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Pretend you're a sherpa, and you work in a snow factory. One day, there's an industrial accident in the snow factory, and...some chemicals get on the floor. Who would you call to clean up the chemicals? Or other spills? Who, you know, keeps your factory clean? Lucky Citizen Vigilante Concerned Citizen Enforcer Hitman Paramedic Private Investigator Medical Examiner Coroner Detective Godfather Paranoid Arsonist | ||
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On October 04 2012 06:00 Z-BosoN wrote: My issue is not the amount of kp. My issue is there being 3 medics. The claims all indicate that there is 3 medics, and not only that, but one of them decided to actually save austin, and not only that, but someone actually decided to shoot austin. Austin. Who was under some scrutiny on day 1. Austin. Seriously? Either that or he's lying. I still think that you're tied to Node with your casual reference to his only post in the entire game that had been buried when you brought it up. Maybe you're town again, I don't know. But you're letting my find of your Node mention cloud your judgment on me (Or you're just doing a decent job of being scummy). Yes. You are correct. Either someone protected me and I got shot, or I'm lying. Of course, if your problem is that you don't think we could have 3 medics, then your options are either I'm lying or BC is lying. But yeah, seriously. Someone protected me. Also, it was a good protect. Why are you pissed that a townie got protected? | ||
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On October 04 2012 06:18 marvellosity wrote: How many of these? And who might they be? I think there's probably at least 6 medics. Or should I be more interested in these? Seems more likely based on the roles. | ||
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On October 04 2012 06:51 mkfuba07 wrote: [/b]Node is scum because node is scummy on his own merit. Node being scum had nothing to do with marv.@austinmcc Is Node still a strong scumread for you? Has marv's impending flip affected your view at all? We can draw SOME connections from Marv's play, but also, at least in the game I played with him, marv was quite bus-happy. I'm still sold on node as scum. Nothing's happened to change my mind. | ||
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On October 05 2012 01:41 marvellosity wrote: you're all meanies *waves* like, knowing who 3rd party is will HELP YOU later in the game. Does 3rd party have the no-flip kills or is that you guys? | ||
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On October 05 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote: I have no idea what 3rd party has. Wanna guess who it is yet? When do I ever NOT want to speculate on stuff. But sorry, word on the street is that you're scummy, so I think I'll keep it to myself for now. | ||
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On October 05 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote: Seriously guys, BloodyC0bbler. I expect specific thanks from all of you later in the game. You're almost guaranteed the starring role in Wank-Fiend 2: The Wankening, because he IS one of the better options. Play nice with risen in obs qt! | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:01 Coagulation wrote: wich is bullshit. Ask me anything I dont give a fuck. I will answer it. I got nothing to fucking hide. if everyone in this game were a sherpa that you could hire to climb mount everest, which sherpa would you hire? Which sherpa has summited the most times? Which sherpa is actually one kid standing on another kid's shoulders inside a big coat, trying to make some sweet, sweet sherpa $ in order to buy food for their families? | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:02 Hapahauli wrote: @ iamperfection How is it "weak-ass shit?" It looks pretty damn scummy to me. He doesn't want to build a case before the nightflip... why? In particular, why the nightflip? He didn't simply say he was lazy. He didn't simply say he didn't feel like posting. He didn't want to post until after the nightflip. Problem is, this makes no sense - what would he gain from posting after the nightflip? Nothing. This isn't a lynch flip, it's an NK flip. It's as if he's suggesting a scum NK will help him make his lynch decision. What I find curious is that you decided to chainsaw defend someone who posted something very blatantly scummy. You didn't even comment on it. Instead, you dismissed it, saying that other people have been posting stupid shit. Furthermore, you "think I'm scum" for some very sketchy rationale. You expect me to somehow know that people have been posting "dumb shit" when I replaced in the game an hour ago. How on earth could I read 68 pages of game thread in an hour? Risk isn't posting "dumb shit", he's posting scummy shit. So I find you rather scummy iamperfection. What say you? That's not the accusation... There are boatloads of scummy things that have gone on. What you referenced was from 8 minutes before you posted. I believe the accusation is "If you were catching up, why is THIS the first thing that you notice; why did you not find anything before that?" It makes it look like you didn't really "catch up." You replaced a dude who's scum, btw. I dunno if you read your role pm or not. Sorry. | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:11 Hapahauli wrote: I addressed that pretty clearly austin. People have been saying some dumb shit, yes. Risk is saying scummy shit, and I think he's scum. Care to tell me why not? I don't really give a shit what Node did. I'm town, and I'm here to hunt scum - not to defend someone who isn't playing anymore. Again, that's not what's going on here. It's not "risk totes mcgotes town." It's "You read through almost 2 entire cycles and the first thing you found scummy or decided to mention was risk's post from 8 minutes before present day?" You didn't address clearly how that was the first thing you found in catching up, didn't address why there was nothing before that which caught your eye. Check your role pm again. | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:20 iamperfection wrote: he could be "gasp" telling the truth. Nah. My play may not have been a documentary, but it's based on true events. Node was mafia. | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:27 Hapahauli wrote: What does that have to do with anything? Do you think he's lying about not wanting to post until after the NK? Seriously? He doesn't want to post after the NK because he's scum. He's telling the truth about that. Or do you think he's teling the truth because he's town? I've read the recent few pages plus most of D1/N1. As far as I know on D1, Shady said something stupid pregame and got lynched for it. A bunch of people said stupid things in response. Care to tell me what I should find scummier at the moment? Cool story bro. Eh, just follow BC throughout thread. He's a good player to give a full report on when you've caught up. mkfuba is another one to watch throughout. Also tell me how you liked my play. | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:33 iamperfection wrote: here a little homework for you. go read kush's filter for me. gogogogogogo tell me what you think iamperfection scum, no townie would make someone do this. | ||
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On October 06 2012 09:43 Hapahauli wrote: To clarify, are you suggesting that BC and mkfuba are scummy? Go catch up. I think mkfuba is scummy. There's a tiny bit on it somewhere, when I caught up. He hasn't done anything to change that read, afaik. I think BC is interesting. Not sure what to make of him beyond that. | ||
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On October 06 2012 10:47 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah I know, but he was so dismissive of anything I had to say (convinced I was scum), and then all of a sudden wants to hear my opinion? Strange stuff. I don't think you can convince me you're not scum. Whether you are or aren't, I'm interested in seeing how you read or fake read both those players. However, as to the "my play" bit, I really just want reviews of the play I wrote | ||
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Upon rereading, Z-BosoN asked a question about Coag, which Node answered. Z-BosoN referenced Node hours after that, but no longer convinced they HAVE to be same alignment, because Z-BosoN could remember node's post because it was a direct answer to Z-BosoN's question. BC this game feels entirely different from BC in LVII. That doesn't mean he's scum BC, I haven't nailed done exactly what I think he is, but marv may have been honest when naming BC most likely to be 3P. Also, remember the claimed protect. Watch medic numbers and scum kill numbers to see whether it was likely he actually got protected or was just covering being bulletproof/having an extra night life. kush has actively shat up the thread for a lot of this game. The meta argument for him being town was already a little weak because it had been pointed out exactly what made him look townie/scummy. The argument is FURTHER weakened by the fact that marv was scum, and could have partially coached kush as to "here's how you play disruptive and still look like your town meta." | ||
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gg all, come on town! | ||
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