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Is this starting today/tomorrow? I may consider joining but I will have very lackluster posting untill december 1 european time in the evening.
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Lolyhea, I meant january. Is there a spot then? In case it is :
/in
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So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets...
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I'm OK with killing kush as well!
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On January 03 2013 07:09 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... You're going to regret that :D I hope I will. Please show me your A-game this time grush!
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On January 03 2013 07:10 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:05 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm OK with killing kush as well! i never even seen you before how do you automatically want to kill me? I've read some games that you've played.
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On January 03 2013 07:11 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 07:09 grush57 wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... You're going to regret that :D I hope I will. Please show me your A-game this time grush! You're in for a wbg lynch? I'd rather lynch grush : (.
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On January 03 2013 07:11 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 07:10 kushm4sta wrote:On January 03 2013 07:05 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm OK with killing kush as well! i never even seen you before how do you automatically want to kill me? I've read some games that you've played. What games have you read of me? :D I played with you. Some newbie game (XX? something along thoose lines at least.)like half a year ago. You fake claimed DT as vanilla...
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On January 03 2013 07:15 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:14 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 07:11 grush57 wrote:On January 03 2013 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 07:10 kushm4sta wrote:On January 03 2013 07:05 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm OK with killing kush as well! i never even seen you before how do you automatically want to kill me? I've read some games that you've played. What games have you read of me? :D I played with you. Some newbie game (XX? something along thoose lines at least.)like half a year ago. You fake claimed DT as vanilla... Yea and that caused us the scum to slip and win the game. Gj using a 6 month old game. Read current ones? Well, if scum wouldn't have fake claimed why might as well have lost the game so it was a crazy gamble from your side.
Yhea, I think it was Hero mini mafia. I also played with you in Mad men mafia(although to be fair that was some time ago as well). I wasn't really impressed by your play in either of these games.
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On January 03 2013 07:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:18 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 07:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:14 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy. @wbg voters: dafuq? Hopeless, Why so serious? How long do you want the start of the game to be trivial nonsense? The sooner we get started the better, no? Yamato, why does bugs have 2 votes already? Because Toad and Palmar want to troll the shit out of Bugs like they always do. It doesn't seem meaningful to me. I'm not trolling. I'm sincerely suggesting we policy lynch Bugs to start the game off. 1) It'd be fucking hilarious 2) He's wrong as town 3) He's good as scum Last game I played scum and bugs played town. He opposed the D1 misslynch and nailed the whole scum team D2. I was happy that town decided to misslynch him that day instead of listening to him. I'm guessing you are trolling but in case aren't: bugs is one of the best town players in this game. Foh Sho.
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I may be miss informed then. But he DID rape us in Paranoia, that is a fact.
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On January 03 2013 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So much trolling already. I didnt know it was manditory to do so in kurumi games.
Why say this? Either post something usefull yourself or don't complain about other doing nothing. Right now the only thing you are doing is discouraging discussion.
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On January 03 2013 07:47 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers lol TBH I think there is a significant diference in these two.
Some players post a little but at least provides their thought process and what not. Some players post a little but doesn't. Some players just want to watch the world burn...
I'm quite sure that it is the second type of player he wants to lynch.
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Why do you want to kill me Hiro?
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On January 03 2013 08:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:10 kushm4sta wrote:On January 03 2013 07:05 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm OK with killing kush as well! i never even seen you before how do you automatically want to kill me? any-who kush concerns me because someone said he wants to lynch him and he got scared and ran away leaning scum right now. grush as well.
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On January 03 2013 08:25 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 08:22 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 07:10 kushm4sta wrote:On January 03 2013 07:05 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm OK with killing kush as well! i never even seen you before how do you automatically want to kill me? any-who kush concerns me because someone said he wants to lynch him and he got scared and ran away leaning scum right now. grush as well. lol Lol sry bro. Missed like 3 of your posts : /.
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On January 03 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote: @iamp I didn't run away im lurking.
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On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. So you are basically saying Palmar is either town or scum?
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On January 03 2013 08:34 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:33 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote: @iamp I didn't run away im lurking. do you feel like commenting on anything or do you plan on being useless? no to both ##Vote: kushm4sta
This guy...
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On January 03 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 08:34 kushm4sta wrote:On January 03 2013 08:33 iamperfection wrote:On January 03 2013 08:27 kushm4sta wrote: @iamp I didn't run away im lurking. do you feel like commenting on anything or do you plan on being useless? no to both ##Vote: kushm4staThis guy... let me give you some insight into kush. he says retarded things all the time regardless of alignment (regardless of being in game or not really). Change your mind at all? The game just started, and I'm perfectly okay with swapping my vote later on.
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On January 03 2013 08:40 yamato77 wrote: Outspoken player =/= scum. Palmar is overly active and has good reasons for the policy lynch.
Marv you know better so you starting this Palmar is scum stuff is fishy. How is a blind WBG lynch a good reason for policy lynch? Or did I miss something?
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On January 03 2013 07:13 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote lazermonkey Yo k4sh, apparently you voted me(in voting thread that is) without mentioning it at all, care to explain?
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Leaning town on yamato.
No scum in their right minds would defend Palmars troll vote on WBG. It would be standard scum-getting-free-townie-points play by dismissing it.
With that said, I think his logic is bad.
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On January 03 2013 08:55 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 08:54 Lazermonkey wrote: Leaning town on yamato.
No scum in their right minds would defend Palmars troll vote on WBG. It would be standard scum-getting-free-townie-points play by dismissing it.
With that said, I think his logic is bad. What if wbg was scum. Well, the lynch on WBG isn't serious at all. If we are lynching WBG, surely we aren't doing it because Palmar wants to RNG kill him, right? So I don't think it would make any sense what so ever to defend him even if their both are scum. It would be much better just not to mention it/attack him.
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Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/eOn January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything.
Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad.
Leaning scum on you bro.
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On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/e On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything. Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad. Leaning scum on you bro. Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Good jobb at posting a post where you don't really say anything but OMGUS at me. So Palmar isn't playing his normal game. Does it make him scum/town? If you cannot decide, is this really relevant information?
Yes, I am aware of that there isn't much to read but instead of trying to analyse the little info that exist you spend all your time to throw rocks at everyone who are trying to.
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On January 03 2013 09:36 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:28 Toadesstern wrote:On January 03 2013 09:22 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:17 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 09:12 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:08 yamato77 wrote: Marv I understand now.
As for actual scum, I think hopeless looks pretty bad right now. Toad pointed the post out earlier and I think he's been pretty useless despite not wanting us all to waste time.
I have to go so that's my thought on the game for now. Be back later with some updated ideas. You think hopeless looks pretty bad now? For not wanting the thread to waste time on a silly policy lynch? Line up the reasons. Don't just spit this out, without any reasons behind it. What ewxactly is scummy about it. Please explain... It was a pointless post. All he says is "guys stop wasting time." And now he's gone, being useless. He hasn't said anything meaningful himself. Cognitive dissonance, if you will. Like pretty much all the posts in this game thus far. He then stated pretty clearly that he is not interested in any policy lynches besides a lynch lurker policy. If his posting thus far make him look pretty bad, I wonder how you scale things, because really, this little information on him is in my book not even enough to be leaning one way or the other.I don't like these types of FOS'es at all. well it's d1. 1 and a half hour into the day. Of course it's incredibly slim. We could all be holding hands and put things this way: "I've got some very minor thing about you, if it isn't to bothersome to read and all" but that's not going to accomplish anything. People are exaggerating early on d1 because there's little we've got. The alternative would be not posting, because what you found are only very minor things and wait for more posts. Clearly you'll see the flaw in the 2nd method if everyone thinks that way. No need to read too much into everything like this Hopeless dude claiming I'm already setting up the lynch for d2,[irony] which obviously has to be the case here [/irony] :p I'd actually prefer people not posting, than posting exaggerated reads. Sure put on some pressure, analyse whats being said, but don't just post bullshit like Player A is 100% scum because he said he likes kittens. It is just nonsensical bullshit, and it shits up the thread. Your logic is quite terrible. If everyone would think like this, there would be nothing to analyze.
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On January 03 2013 09:36 kushm4sta wrote: lazer I had my vote on you for a terrible reason but I didn't have anyone else to put it on at the time.
Now i'm going to move it to hopeless because his posts look really weird for obvious reasons people have already said. Can you, using your own words, explain exactly why Hopeless deserves your vote. His posts being wierd doesn't necessarilly make him scum btw. Explain why or unvote him.
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On January 03 2013 09:44 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 09:29 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 09:19 Lazermonkey wrote:Tunekeg: You keep complaining about bad town play, however you haven't given ONE SINGLE read yet. You have one post were you give some null reads or w/e On January 03 2013 08:33 Tunkeg wrote: You can lean whatever the fuck you want iam...
Also Palmar is either being stupid or fishing for reactions. Stupid Palmar=scum Palmar, that one is easy. Even though Palmar experienced the catastrophy that was WBG's last game, he won't lynch WBG for policy as town. Why even bother to say all this when it's clearly not adding anything. Most of your other posts are basically you shouting at several players calling them bad. Calling out players for bad logic is good. But only as a complement to scum hunting. Right now you are demoralizing the thread by calling everyone bad. This is bad. Leaning scum on you bro. Again lean whereever you want. Alot of easily insulted townies tend to call me scum, because it is easier then actually dealing with me. There isn't much to read in to just yet. Except the fact that what Palmar is doing isn't what he is doing when he puts his serious town game face on. Also my posts are far more usefull than your own. You leaning town on yamato at this point is so very care. And besides that you have just tried to justify a policy lynch on grush and posting a stupid gif. Leaning NOTHING on you BRO! Good jobb at posting a post where you don't really say anything but OMGUS at me. So Palmar isn't playing his normal game. Does it make him scum/town? If you cannot decide, is this really relevant information? Yes, I am aware of that there isn't much to read but instead of trying to analyse the little info that exist you spend all your time to throw rocks at everyone who are trying to. I am not OMGUS'ing you, I am just saying you have contributed as little, if not less than myself, and that you are throwing stones in a glasshouse. If I were to OMGUS you I would just call you stupid. But I am not sure if you are atm (Want to rack that up as a scumtell on me as well, huh, huh?) You saying that your posting this far is either equal good or better than mine would be an OMGUS imo. I call you out for only calling everyone bad. I say that this is harming town, at least if it is the only thing that you are doing. You keep on doing it, dispite not saying that you disagree with my point. Does that mean that you disagree with me? I don't know. You instead opt to attack me rather than the point I made against you.
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Owell, I will go to bed now. Will vote Tunkeg for the time being tho it is subject to change.
##Unvote ##Vote: Tunkeg
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Just woke up, anyone still awake in the US and A?
I read through the thread quickly once and I must say hopeless looks bad. He has a scum read on Palmar, tho not willing to9 lynch him. And like Toad pointed out earlier, the way he is reacting to post just doesn't make alot of sense to me. In a bad way.I feel he is overreacting quite a bit to this which reminds me of an old game were he basically did the same thing as scum. Hapa wrote a two paragraph response to some guy and Hopeless jumped up and told us how Hapa were writing a big case and what not, when it clearly wasn't what happend.On January 03 2013 12:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?
They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. why are you already talking about what might happen if you end up being lynched. Seriously that is a weird post you just did. You're telling me I'm setting up a d2 lynch (which I wasn't lol, not even setting up a d1 lynch yet) and now you get in here telling people that if you get lynched (why?) I'm playing some kind of card? That's the most backwards posting I've ever seen. I also never said you're dumb, I told you that I got a problem with one line of your posts and that you need to chill out after you got all mad at me for pointing that out. Should I not have mentioned it instead? What should my approach should have been? Ignore it? And seriously don't make it look like I'm insulting you because I'm not. I haven't insulted anyone in this game besides bugs.
Will also do a quick meta check on tunkeg to see if he always plays like this. I may consider swapping my vote then.
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Tunkegs latest game is Hero mini mafia. He hasn't played scum even once which makes harder to use meta on him I guess. Still, checking if his meta is similar to Hero MM could help us a tiny bit.
Okay, ableit being a little bit more dicky this game I must say Tunkeg's play is looking somewhat close to what it did in Hero MM. While he isn't very active early on, almost every post in early D1 was him questioning other players. Players in that game is even calling him out for not giving any reads. That reminds me of something... Oh, he isn't giving us any reads in this game either!
While I don't agree with his way of playing, I don't think it's very alignment indicative anymore.
##Unvote ##Vote: hopeless1der
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On January 03 2013 18:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar your Bugs lynch not going anywhere bro. Check out that OP Tunkeg wagon it spawned tho! What are YOUR opinion about Tunkeg, VE? You have mentioned him quite a few times but yet provided your own thoughts on the matter.
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Randomly lynching still sucks tho. Sure, on avarage it gives us 24,6% instead if 21,1% to hit the right person, however, what do we do next? It's cool to lynch scum. but if we don't, we will more or less have wasted D1. There will be no way of analyzing vote patterns or w/e. The extra 3,5% doesn't make up for the fact that a random lynch doesn't give us anything to work with on the comming day.
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Palmar, you honestly don't have any scum reads what so ever? You've been fast to dissmiss all of the wagons this far yet not providing your own alternatives. WBG does not count for obvious reasons...
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On January 03 2013 20:01 Vivax wrote: @ Lazer
You know that Hoelessrider saw the OMGUS vote by Kush on you at the start of the game? How do you see him calling Kush out about that as a scum move? It's like he actually cared about that vote on you.
Now Kush admitted that it was a stupid vote on Lazer, so I can see a townie motivation behind Hoe noticing that vote O.o. I missed that. Though I don't see it as alignment indicative really. There were never a case or wagon on me so kush's vote were just bad in every single aspect so I think it woud hurt scum in any matter. hopeless didn't call him out as scum tho. He simply said:
On January 03 2013 07:14 Hopeless1der wrote: really kush? he calls you a troll so you ninja omgus lazer? Which I take as more of a ''U suck'' than ''U scum''.
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On January 03 2013 20:13 Vivax wrote: @ Supersoft
07:11 - You ask Lazer if he'd vote WBG 07:30 - You say bugs lynch isn't gonna happen anyway. 07:59 - You'd like to lynch MZ (why?)
I kinda have trouble in seeing your motivations here. Like, why asking 07:11 when you know 07:30? Then randomly 07:59? While I agree that this is strange, scum shouldn't really do things like this either. Also, in case you are wondering why he'd like to kill MZ, read his filter. He have been trolling/useless/etc the whole game so far.
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On January 03 2013 20:35 Vivax wrote: Like, having a scumread on Palmar but not wanting to lynch him. And (over)reacting to accusations.Although the (over) is subject to interpretation.
What about him calling out strange votes, defending Bugs? Being called out by Toad for calling out the Bugs lynching policy? Toad voted for Bugs together with Palmar. Toad calls the guy out opposing their duo.
You have to weigh in the townie points as well. Why would a scum hopeless question the legendary, infallible, bearded majesty of Eyafjallajokull Palmar this early, assuming that Palmar is town (which should be your current assumption)?
We all know that IF we are going to lynch bugs it's not because of Palmar's/Toad's idea of how town WBG is crap and scum WBG is good thus it's always good to lynch WBG policy. Town knows this, scum knows this. I cannot emphasize stupid a scum would be if he sincerely would try to lynch WBG based upon this. Like in a serious way. Not in a Toad's semi-trolling way.
When you say that he is calling out strange votes(the ones on WBG and Kush's vote on me)its more like he is calling out unserious votes. Wagons that isn't going to result in a lynch, at least not given the information we have now.
So, to summarize a bit, I don't really see these things as townie points TBH. Why? Because you cannot just look how much sense they make from town PoV but also from scum PoV. Calling out strange votes + attacking Palmar can very well give him credit as scum. Thus it all comes down to WIFOM. And thus its a null tell.
Things I hold against Hopeless 1.His reaction here
On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?
They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. 2. The fact that he has posted quite a bit but yet taken a strong stance anywhere.
I have a hard time seeing how town Hopeless would react in such a way, while I can see several reasons for scum Hopeless to do so.
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On January 03 2013 21:28 supersoft wrote: i want to lynch you - like i already said - because i highly doubt that you think i am scum, and now you're straight up lying to me. Worst reason for voting someone ever. If you truly would look townie, there is a slim chance scum would push you, no? Think of it, why in the world would they then push you out of the 29 players they have to chose from? yet Vivax is pushing you. The most logical conclusion would be something like:
a). You aren't looking very townie, in which case Vivax could be scum or townie b). You are looking very townie, in which case its much more likely that he is town than scum.
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EBWOP: ow, you never voted him? well, it doesn't really matter...
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On January 03 2013 21:37 Vivax wrote: What about your MZ lynch cause of him reading Palmar as town? You were so sure that he had to know Palmar was town.
Other than that, I think you're really playing drunk.
QFT
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On January 03 2013 21:53 supersoft wrote: seriously? i think you people just don't read my filter. What do you mean?
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Anyone else noticed that Sentinel have ONLY been trolling and useless this far?
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Tunkeg, your massive E-penis doesn't exactly help us find scum.
It is a new day. Do you have any reads now?
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On January 03 2013 22:49 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 22:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Tunkeg, your massive E-penis doesn't exactly help us find scum.
It is a new day. Do you have any reads now? Well I will need to read the thread more thoroughly first. Don't expect me to have a great list of reads yet though, it is to early, and I wouldn't want to throw my vote around like a halfwit. I find it a bit ironic that you asked Adam about his reads just minutes ago and when I ask you to out your own reads you say it's too early.
Noone is expecting you to nail 6/6 of scum today. But we need reads. Preferably scum reads. Also, I don't see how throwing your vote around is harming town in any way.
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On January 03 2013 23:03 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 22:58 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 03 2013 22:49 Tunkeg wrote:On January 03 2013 22:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Tunkeg, your massive E-penis doesn't exactly help us find scum.
It is a new day. Do you have any reads now? Well I will need to read the thread more thoroughly first. Don't expect me to have a great list of reads yet though, it is to early, and I wouldn't want to throw my vote around like a halfwit. I find it a bit ironic that you asked Adam about his reads just minutes ago and when I ask you to out your own reads you say it's too early. Noone is expecting you to nail 6/6 of scum today. But we need reads. Preferably scum reads. Also, I don't see how throwing your vote around is harming town in any way. Its not ironic as I haven't been around for 12-13 hours, only reading the thread from time to time at work. Adam have been around since I went to bed. If I am not mistaken it is somewhat evening down under. I don't want a complete list of reads from him either, just some thoughts ont he game thus far. Do you oppose him giving this? Good point. Assuming its true that is.
I'm leaving now, will be back in a few hours. See you all!
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hi I am back <3.
So we are wagonning Palmar now, eh?
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Hiro, are you going to explain anytime soon why you have me as (slight)scumread? You have talked about this two times already although not given a single reason for it.
On January 03 2013 08:00 HiroPro wrote: marvel. i'm thinking about killing hopeless, monkey, and supersoft. which one would you not?
On January 04 2013 02:27 HiroPro wrote: my thoughts: perfection is town. froggynoddy has a good chance to be mafia. lazermonkey could also be, but i'm less sure about him. could just be the way he plays. and vivax probably town too.
the rest of you - who the hell knows?
AMA In your second post you say that it ''could just be the way he plays.''.What is this really supposed to mean. Why do you even feel the need to post it then? You are just throwing doubt at me for no apparent reason right now.
I even call you out for this earlier but you ignored/missed it.
On January 03 2013 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote: Why do you want to kill me Hiro?
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Fun fact, this game is majority lynch. Didn't know untill now : /
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On January 04 2013 04:12 VisceraEyes wrote: No, deadline. Put it back in your pants Palmar. I laughed IRL. True story.
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Wait, why are you guys going after Cheese cake? If the issue lies in the fact that he isn't contributing then why are you ONLY pushing him? What makes him special when about 30% is at his level of contribution?
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EBWOP: when about 30% of the players*
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On January 04 2013 04:23 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 04:00 Lazermonkey wrote:Hiro, are you going to explain anytime soon why you have me as (slight)scumread? You have talked about this two times already although not given a single reason for it. On January 03 2013 08:00 HiroPro wrote: marvel. i'm thinking about killing hopeless, monkey, and supersoft. which one would you not? On January 04 2013 02:27 HiroPro wrote: my thoughts: perfection is town. froggynoddy has a good chance to be mafia. lazermonkey could also be, but i'm less sure about him. could just be the way he plays. and vivax probably town too.
the rest of you - who the hell knows?
AMA In your second post you say that it ''could just be the way he plays.''.What is this really supposed to mean. Why do you even feel the need to post it then? You are just throwing doubt at me for no apparent reason right now. I even call you out for this earlier but you ignored/missed it. On January 03 2013 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote: Why do you want to kill me Hiro? You suggested policy lynches on grush/kush, but made no effort to actually push for their lynch and the way in which you overly elaborate on very simple points. I'll share what I want when I feel like it - got it? This is a nice town mentality. In what way do you think we gain on withholding information?
My suggestion on killing grush/kush was about as serious as Palmar's WBG push. Read: not serious at all. It was merely a way to try to create discussion. Which turned out somewhat okayish.
How do I ''overly elaborate on very simple points. ''? Care to give some examples?
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On January 04 2013 04:41 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 04:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 04 2013 04:23 HiroPro wrote:On January 04 2013 04:00 Lazermonkey wrote:Hiro, are you going to explain anytime soon why you have me as (slight)scumread? You have talked about this two times already although not given a single reason for it. On January 03 2013 08:00 HiroPro wrote: marvel. i'm thinking about killing hopeless, monkey, and supersoft. which one would you not? On January 04 2013 02:27 HiroPro wrote: my thoughts: perfection is town. froggynoddy has a good chance to be mafia. lazermonkey could also be, but i'm less sure about him. could just be the way he plays. and vivax probably town too.
the rest of you - who the hell knows?
AMA In your second post you say that it ''could just be the way he plays.''.What is this really supposed to mean. Why do you even feel the need to post it then? You are just throwing doubt at me for no apparent reason right now. I even call you out for this earlier but you ignored/missed it. On January 03 2013 08:02 Lazermonkey wrote: Why do you want to kill me Hiro? You suggested policy lynches on grush/kush, but made no effort to actually push for their lynch and the way in which you overly elaborate on very simple points. I'll share what I want when I feel like it - got it? This is a nice town mentality. In what way do you think we gain on withholding information? My suggestion on killing grush/kush was about as serious as Palmar's WBG push. Read: not serious at all. It was merely a way to try to create discussion. Which turned out somewhat okayish. How do I ''overly elaborate on very simple points. ''? Care to give some examples? Don't tell me how to play, thanks. I haven't actually voted for you or tried to get you lynched at any point, so there is simply no need for me to explain.Stuff like this: These are single-sentence points that you just drag out for some reason. They don't actually say anything very meaningful but you spend a lot of time spouting stuff like this. Show nested quote +Randomly lynching still sucks tho. Sure, on avarage it gives us 24,6% instead if 21,1% to hit the right person, however, what do we do next? It's cool to lynch scum. but if we don't, we will more or less have wasted D1. There will be no way of analyzing vote patterns or w/e. The extra 3,5% doesn't make up for the fact that a random lynch doesn't give us anything to work with on the comming day. Show nested quote + So, to summarize a bit, I don't really see these things as townie points TBH. Why? Because you cannot just look how much sense they make from town PoV but also from scum PoV. Calling out strange votes + attacking Palmar can very well give him credit as scum. Thus it all comes down to WIFOM. And thus its a null tell.
So you do think town should withhold information like this? Or did you just dodge the question?
Regarding the second part, I don't agree but don't feel like arguing. It will just get into a circular argument of whether or not I could've written the sentences in a simpler form.
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So, I woke up and read the thread.
I read CC most reacent game. It was super short as he was shot N1(as medic). However, it seemed to be very similar to the game he is playing now. He wasn't to keen on giving out reads and so on. Just like this game, he posts a lot of reasoning but little conclusion. Also, In his only scum game so far, he was very fast on handing out FoSes and what not.
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I'm okay with lynching palmar if he doesn't show those logs btw.
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On January 04 2013 19:36 yamato77 wrote: What does he gain from showing the logs? I think him playing the game for real is proof enough. I can get a good read from his opinions on people, I believe. What opinions...?
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EBWOP: Besides, is there any argument for NOT showing the logs, given that they have already claimed?
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On January 04 2013 19:39 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 19:37 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 04 2013 19:36 yamato77 wrote: What does he gain from showing the logs? I think him playing the game for real is proof enough. I can get a good read from his opinions on people, I believe. What opinions...? Mainly his scum read on Marv. That should be a good one. He keeps calling me town, which is correct, so he's either playing like smart Palmar from last game or he's buddying me and hoping I sheep him like I did last game. Well, if he mananges to pull out a good case vs Marv I'm willing not to lynch him.
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On January 04 2013 19:40 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 19:37 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: Besides, is there any argument for NOT showing the logs, given that they have already claimed? Do you want scum knowing your thoughts on every player? Fair enough, I'm just being stupid. Still, if Palmar is about to get lynched I'd say that it is the correct decision to show the logs.
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On January 04 2013 19:45 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar has no case on marv, that's probably why he spent 5 minutes trolling you with that and then switched off to attacking Meapak.
Clearly it's working. time will tell, I guess.
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On January 04 2013 19:48 wherebugsgo wrote: what time? You think he has a case on marv when he easily could've just posted it? We have less than 15 hours left in the day, we don't have time for these pointless antics. To be fair, it is now less than one hour from the time when he said he had Marv as scum read. I'm willing to give him a little bit more time. If he doesn't start playing the game in the very near future, I will vote him, deal?
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I was just about writing a case on you sentinel : S.
I like your points on Clarity, tho I don't find them as lynch worthy as Palmar.
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On January 04 2013 21:05 marvellosity wrote:given you're voting me, you best tell me exactly what you like about the case and why you're voting me. this won't fly. I like the part where you aren't really scum scum hunting despite being one of the strongest players in the game. Like honestly, your strongest scum read this far has been Palmar and taht is because he is trolling.
I took a quick look at Rock Band Mafia, and there is a clear diference in game play. Very early on in the game you are pushing for scum and questioning stuff. You even vote just some hours in. In this game you are simply questioning stuff, but you aren't following it up with a case or a vote or w/e.
Also, after Palmar posted logs I was truly convinced that he was town. Everything seemed very geniune. So I am sure that he is town that is at least trying to hunt for scum.
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On January 04 2013 21:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm saying it's weird for a scum marv who isn't invested to exclaim that he is, because a scum marv who isn't invested knows his filter will show him as not invested. I think it makes a bit sense. but it is grasping at straws imo.
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I'm quite busy atm, will answer everything in about one hour. Hold on Vivax ; )
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On January 04 2013 22:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 20:55 Lazermonkey wrote:*snip* Things I hold against Hopeless 1.His reaction here On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?
They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. 2. The fact that he has posted quite a bit but yet taken a strong stance anywhere. I have a hard time seeing how town Hopeless would react in such a way, while I can see several reasons for scum Hopeless to do so. Lazer, what did you find scummy about Hopeless' reaction at that time? Y'know, point 1. Because he was talking about what would happend if he got lynched even though it was just a few hours in and he wasn't even close to getting lynched at the time. I just feel that this is something a scum could say as an overreaction. Also, like I mentioned earlier, I played some time ago with Hopeless as scum and me as town where he did a similar thing. Overreacting like crazy to a post of Hapa.
On January 04 2013 21:49 Vivax wrote: I refuse to believe that iamp is town. Looking through posts and chats again, I could very well imagine him being a scum mason. Palmar essentially got persuaded by WIFOMING about the possible benefits of sacrificing KP for masoning in favour of iamp. I will judge him by his play, not by this, so he doesn't get all lazy and cosy.
@ Lazer, how do you go from "I will lynch Palmar if he doesn't show these logs" to "Yhea, I can vote marv?". Do you have arguments of your own for voting marv?
Or @ everyone: When was the last time Lazermonkey pushed a lynch of his own? I don't see that as a problem in any way TBH. I was quite sceptic about Palmar as you already pointed out but his logs seemed extremly genuine. Palmar is my strongest town read atm. Reason I voted Marv is that the case on him was good. I hadn't looked into him earlier because this is a 30 player game so I simply will not have the motivation to go through 30 players filter every day. With that being said, I agreed with basically everything Palmar said. No I don't have any arguments of my own regarding Marv but I fail to see how that is relevant.
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On January 04 2013 23:39 thrawn2112 wrote: palmar has a good case on marv and i want to sheep it but bleh... lots of stuff in that case could be said about amlmost everyone in the thread and i kinda want to attribute marv's laziness to the general laziness of the thread and keep him around longer
lazermonkey scum No I'm not. Your case on me is crap.
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On January 04 2013 23:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 23:45 marvellosity wrote:On January 04 2013 23:41 iamperfection wrote:On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. you know i fell asleep waiting and woke up and i am still waiting yep, Cheescake is also a good lynch. Either cheesecake or Adam are good lynches today. marv should live if he wants to help kill cheesecake. Plus when marv was ousted as scum in gsl he just shat up the thread with his accuser he did not do that here he droped reads with reasoning and logic. He can live in my book Didn't he get lynched in that game though...? Because that would be quite a good reason to change his scum-in-shitty-position meta, don't you think?
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On January 04 2013 23:45 Vivax wrote: I don't like the reason why you found Hopeless scummy lazer, using little things like that to push a lynch is not a good idea. But the fact that you didn't try to make something up for sheeping the case on marv reeks townie to me.
Here, have some slack.
The marv wagon is retarded though.
Who's in for lynching Kush? His comeback seems too convenient, what about his Cheesecake, hopeless and HiroPro reads? There would be enough resonance for those lynches, why doesn't he attempt to push them and instead sheeps Palmar mindlessly? Lynching kush is about the worst we can do at this point IMO.
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Hmm, fair enough points... I must rethink this a bit.
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WIFOM INC
What if Marv and Iamperfection are scumbros? Food for thought...
END OF WFIOM
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On January 04 2013 23:45 Vivax wrote: I don't like the reason why you found Hopeless scummy lazer, using little things like that to push a lynch is not a good idea. But the fact that you didn't try to make something up for sheeping the case on marv reeks townie to me.
Here, have some slack.
The marv wagon is retarded though.
Who's in for lynching Kush? His comeback seems too convenient, what about his Cheesecake, hopeless and HiroPro reads? There would be enough resonance for those lynches, why doesn't he attempt to push them and instead sheeps Palmar mindlessly? Why is the wagon retarded?
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Lol that timing Vivax XD. Same for you, my dear friend!
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On January 05 2013 00:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 23:57 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 04 2013 23:45 Vivax wrote: I don't like the reason why you found Hopeless scummy lazer, using little things like that to push a lynch is not a good idea. But the fact that you didn't try to make something up for sheeping the case on marv reeks townie to me.
Here, have some slack.
The marv wagon is retarded though.
Who's in for lynching Kush? His comeback seems too convenient, what about his Cheesecake, hopeless and HiroPro reads? There would be enough resonance for those lynches, why doesn't he attempt to push them and instead sheeps Palmar mindlessly? Lynching kush is about the worst we can do at this point IMO. It's nice that you bring up your reasoning for whatever you say. AFAIK, this is how kush plays as town so lynching him for it is bad.
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thrawn, your case is just sooo bad. I don't know what to say even. Like you point out several things but HOW do them make me scummy? Like all your points are based on very extreme WIFOM.
I never said my vote is useless. It is however not very usefull when it's 45 hours untill lynch and I'm the only one that's voting the person.
the phrasing thing is not a proof of anything really.
Firstly, how was my push against Tunkeg OMGUS? You then say that it is scummy that I first tell everyone that I'm going to check Tunkeg's meta before doing it. Well, it isn't.
My grush/kush policy thing was hardly serious.
You say I'm trying to bandwagon but that's also massive WIFOM. Maybe I'm just town who reconsider.
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Agree with kush/thrawn on the CC. He can just as well be a lazy townie.
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On January 05 2013 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:54 Lazermonkey wrote: thrawn, your case is just sooo bad. I don't know what to say even. Like you point out several things but HOW do them make me scummy? Like all your points are based on very extreme WIFOM.
I never said my vote is useless. It is however not very usefull when it's 45 hours untill lynch and I'm the only one that's voting the person.
the phrasing thing is not a proof of anything really.
Firstly, how was my push against Tunkeg OMGUS? You then say that it is scummy that I first tell everyone that I'm going to check Tunkeg's meta before doing it. Well, it isn't.
My grush/kush policy thing was hardly serious.
You say I'm trying to bandwagon but that's also massive WIFOM. Maybe I'm just town who reconsider. Shit, you found me...
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On January 05 2013 00:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote: Agree with kush/thrawn on the CC. He can just as well be a lazy townie. are you not suspicious of me for this "bad case" I made against you? Not really. I think generally townies are more capable of pushing retarded cases than scum is. You can be scum tho. But I don't really care, it's not like town and scum MUST disagree on everything. I agree with you on this point.
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On January 05 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote: Palmar, why are you just so different from the last two games you were in?
I second thrawns' thoughts about CC, and I agree with his arguments about LM except for the argument with the "looks bad"-phrasing. I'm not lynching Lazer based on some retarded phrasing-argument.
As a birthday present, I demand that we lynch VE, Kush or Lazermonkey.
Hopeless, I don't see what you see about that red highlighted stuff. You want to lynch Lazer or not?
@ Thrawn
I want to know why you said that town kush is easily identifiable in your post about LM. Do you think he is town in this game?How is he easily identifiable as town when he isn't as scum? Sorry to make you dissapointed then. We aren't lynching any of these players.
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Can Vivax, thrawn and hopeless explain to me why contradicting myself on one point(because it is true about the rest of the case) makes me scum(my)?
Hint: it doesn't.
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I don't want to lynch Adam at all. He may very well be a lazy townie.
With that being said, I'm going to be absent for a few hours but will be back in time for lynch.
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Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
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On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case.
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On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. EBWOP: And if(I'm taking WBGs word on this) he really is known for his scum play, I don't see how he would get in such a bad position just in D1.
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On January 05 2013 05:12 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:08 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. EBWOP: And if(I'm taking WBGs word on this) he really is known for his scum play, I don't see how he would get in such a bad position just in D1. That's funny, that reminds me of someone else in this game. In fact I believe he's the primary lynch candidate Yhea, that is one of the reasons I'm seriously considering jumping off the wagon.
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Okay, I've read through Hopeless filter once again. I'm way more confident in him being scum than Marv atm. I'm not sure if I'm able to write a decent case in time but please take a look at his filter and also WBG case on him.
WBGs case:+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2013 03:50 wherebugsgo wrote:Jesus stop fucking spamming. Coming from me, this game has too many posts and I spam myself quite a lot. The last four pages at least have been nothing but one liners. I went to sleep 7 hours ago and the thread was inflated by 300 posts. What the fuck? What makes any of you think that posting so much useless shit is helpful for finding scum? First of all, Palmar is right now possibly the most anti-town player in the game. Literally no one has a good reason to be on marv right now, and if you have sheeped Palmar you really need to get your head out of your ass and go read a newbie guide. Two things on this point: #1 marv is not a good lynch today. He's a very good asset if he is town and he is quite honestly not that scummy. Certainly he hasn't done much today but you can say this about literally anyone. Nothing in his filter seems to have been motivated by a scum background and everything he has said can be plausibly explained from a town perspective. He's a good enough player that if his reads are bad (they are not) and if he has not done anything for a few days (yes, a couple days-he's a prime night kill target if town) then he should die. I am highly surprised that Palmar is choosing to attack marv on such weak evidence (he basically cherry-picked his filter) when there is, IMO, a much better vet target in the game that you could make a much stronger case on (Foolishness). + Show Spoiler +However I'm not suggesting we kill Foolishness today since he is arguably the best asset for town in the game if he is town, and generally his day 1 is very trolly and lurky #2 BC is not a good lynch today either. His last post conforms to how I think BC actually thinks about the game. I don't think he is necessarily right, as it is certainly possible for Palmar to be of either alignment-for now, I lean town given that Palmar actually took time to make a spreadsheet (and some of the reads make sense) but I don't think he is a good lynch. With all of this said, I think the kill for today should be: Hopeless1der or Meapak.I would prefer to kill Hopeless today, and so I'm not going to comment on why I find Meapak scummy. I think Hopeless is the best lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725¤tpage=2Looking at Hopeless's posts, he questions a lot and stays mostly under the radar. If you notice, he takes no opinions of his own. He also says things scum are very likely to say: "I don't find this guy scummy, but....idk, it might pigeonhole me later so I might lynch him later!" He said that about literally every player that was brought up. In addition, he took the random lynching VERY seriously, and often the people who take things like that very seriously are either scum or dumb. I certainly don't think Hopeless is dumb, so that leaves scum. Finally, his meta: Here are quotes from 4 different games. Try to note the differences, before I point them out myself, and try to see if you can guess his alignment correctly. + Show Spoiler [game1] +On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game. My main problem with Release is this post: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote: EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @releaseAre you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes. Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet. Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct? Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan! I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently. On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed?Also, unanswered questions: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?
Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo. ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 03 2012 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote:It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is.
I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax This post just strengthens my resolve to lynch you Muso. "If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der." In this scenario, I'm scum for NOT wanting to lynch a townie. Please clarify what you mean if you're still around. On November 03 2012 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote:On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation. Is that a short answer for "fuck it, lynch Muso"? + Show Spoiler [game2] +On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:@Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! @Jingle - Well, I didn't (and still don't) know to what it refers. I'd google it, but if its anywhere as bad as it seems, doing so from work is probably a bad idea. This better not give me nightmares... On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:@Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! What do you mean? I don't see a contradiction here... What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. On July 05 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This will be a good test to see how a bandwagon gets started then I suppose.
Jingle's done this before, just calling someone out based on their name being strange or the icon next to their name. The early posts are just random crap to get people talking. His post about lurkers is suspicious, but if we let people lurk, there's going to be some scum in the pile.
Throwing an early lynch at lurkers forces them to be more active, so there is more chance at scumslips instead of nothing to go on at all for those players. They all look scummy when they say and do nothing. The last couple games I've played/obs'd have been riddled with people being replaced and lurking and it completely screws with town's ability to make consistent reads. However, most of those games were majority lynch so the lurker problem had a much bigger impact.
If we have scum reads we should definitely push them. I don't think a lynch lurker mentality is that beneficial to town given our voting system. Any lurking scum can jump on any suspicion very easily and not look any worse than the next lurker that just follows the pack. Good scum reads will force them out of the woodwork to cast suspicion on someone else.
And I'm still not casting a vote as we're still waiting on 4 players to make a post and for Evulrabbitz and zen_man to do something relevant. The way rabbitz has disappeared concerns me as he ducked out just as we started getting to the not completely useless posts. + Show Spoiler [game3] +On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote: Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up...Jingle, you can read just fine.
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote: Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) On August 04 2012 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: At a quick once over, Zeph is looking scummiest right now, but Hier just broke my sarcasm meter. While I'm fixing it I'll be looking more closely at Zeph within the next couple hours.
Meanwhile, ##Unvote: Glasse Sounded like a straightforward read of wbg, considering wbg just shat all over the "mason claim" discussion. I don't like that he jumped to the conclusion that bugs is scum, but at least something to back it up, so Glasse checks out so far.
EBP (Edit before post) and oh crap we already lost a townie. Role of Zorkmid is Townie or 'unknown'? Its green so I assume townie, but I'd like to confirm. On August 08 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:I sincerely apologize for my lack of activity. In hindsight I should have requested a replacement as my co-worker went on vacation and I've been working stupid amounts of overtime to make up for it. I will be more active from tonight going forward (still at work right now). My reads today are that between Erandorr, VE and Bugs, there is likely to be scum and I think that it's Erandorr right now. The case against bugs is largely his meta, which I am not familiar with. His mason debacle could go either way, his rage as well. All WIFOM and perhaps "Anti-Town" but NOT the same thing as "Scummy" to me. More trolling than anything else, and look what happened to master troll Grush. This is not enough for me to want to vote him. VE is (or was) vehemently against voting bugs: + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP.
This lynch on WBG is not happening.
Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit.
I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY.
##Vote: talismania
I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really?
I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. With people meta'ing, hes apparently suspicious due to his lack of activity, which he says is due to his mason role, and sounds plausible to me. His case against Erandorr makes much more sense to me than Eran's defense of it. Eran tried to accuse VE of neglecting questions and received a prompt response, and Erandorr takes it out of turn to dispute it. + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote:VE, wtf. Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" Show nested quote +No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about Show nested quote +Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!! Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbgI am out, good luck with the game. The main point is he paraphrased VE in the nested quote's "I don't give a fuck" sentiment when VE was specifically referring to the MASON stuff. This occured AFTER the second quoted post, which was followed by: Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:31 Erandorr wrote: 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore?
Wasn't the mason thing the whole reason Eran thought bugs was scummy at the start? (Or "anti-town") Erandorr's attempt to pass off VE's case as contradictory is incredibly scummy to me, and he immediately says "I am out", leaving no opportunity to grill him further. Based on this interaction, I find VE to be townie. ##Vote: Erandorr On August 09 2012 02:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 02:17 talismania wrote:On August 09 2012 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: That to me looks like VE is angry with you and wants you to pay for almost mislynching him. If you flip town, we'll be hard pressed to pick between him and bugs for who to lynch tomorrow after the whole eran-ve-bugs triangle.
I don't know about the 'make up for my folly tonight'. I'm expecting an epic case near the deadline right now. tbh I'm expecting 3 or 4 cases right around the deadline tonight, plus the rest of the mason logs. what do you mean "if I flip town" and then "lynch tomorrow"? You know something about the NKs that I don't? I don't know anything about the NK's. I was making an inference based on the situation you described with him coming up with a vig shot on you. If you were to somehow get shot tonight, you said you suspect VE of having a hand in it, though you can't understand how thats possible if he's a mason. You being shot (by him) would assume hes scum. My comment about the lynch tomorrow was that in no way does you flipping town confirm him as scum. I'm still of the opinion that at least one of VE-Bugs-Eran is scum, and since eran has flipped town my choices there are down to two. + Show Spoiler [game4] +On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase: On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again?
Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him.
I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite+ Show Spoiler +Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic On September 05 2012 03:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Because it's not necessarily a mistake at that point, its just a fake-claim. It kind of makes sense for an assa to do it, but not for a blue because scum have no way to track visits. We've since learned that Nosy Neighbors are not self-aware. Mistake or not, the fakeclaim was made by MATTCHEW. Not some random player, but specifically the one that Toad referred to and referred to again when you continued to poke at him. And Rewok, Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 03:08 Rewok wrote: Ottox - This is a lot of fighting for a random townie. Seems like a really specific save.
If Mattchew turns up Mafia, my next vote is Otto, for sure. Likewise, I'm not voting Ottow if Mattchew turns up green / blue.
That's a stupid way to look at things. Do you think Ottoxlol is legitimately trying to save Matt or just being a jerk because he won't read. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote: need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:
a) People not thinking while posting / reading b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him. Ninja'd by Toad. Oh well. On September 07 2012 01:54 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite:
Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways:
##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd.
After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
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The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.
To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. In my filter, I have this post: + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 12:52 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:34 BroodKingEXE wrote: Nosy neighbor is standard miller(the neighbor doesn't know they are nosy)? Blues have to visit their target as well as Mafia, correct? Check out this post on page 8. It was never answered in thread and it has been edited. In addition, the set-up appears to have been tweaked: Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: Due to slight setup tweaks, mafia now has permanent 2kp. It will not change over the course of the game. Take note, however, that no member of the mafia can deliver more than 1 kp, so effectively the mafia will drop to 1kp when there is only one member left.
(page 9, again it's been edited) Moral of the story is we don't know and BC needs to stop bullshitting us if he does in fact know something that the rest of us seem to have missed. Followed by my case on Forumite in this post: + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase: On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again?
Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him.
I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite+ Show Spoiler +Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic I was not convinced by BC's argument of "You're Lying, You're Scum" and didn't piece together the fact that I would need to PM the mods to confirm the miller self-awareness debacle. That was really stupid on my part but thankfully Palmar dealt with it for us. The thread was in a shitty place and I wanted to focus on something other than just calling people liars. I wasn't necessarily attacking BC, I just wanted him to stop strong-arming the thread and actually put together a coherent thought towards HOW he knew he was right. His argument to me was " I'm right, suck it bitch" and I found that infuriating. (I completely understand why he did it after the fact, fear of modkillage and whatnot). In an effort to get away from that, I made a case on someone I found scummy and put it forth to try to get some other discussion going. Once Palmar confirmed Mattchew's lie, I was 100% behind his lynch and didn't want to waste time being questioned about why. Nor did anyone bring it up, as you pointed out. The reason why I didn't vote for forumite is...I forgot about the voting thread; Whoops? The reason I pointed out the fact I didn't vote for forumite is...I didn't vote for forumite and wanted to be as transparent as possible about what I'd done. I didn't mean to 'fakevote' but it happened and I wanted to make it clear what my intentions were, so I explicitly unvoted Forumite in order to Vote Mattchew. In regards to point (2) I don't seem happy? What the fuck is this statement? How do you determine happiness based on my voteswitch to a confirmed liar? Why should I have to explain the reasoning when its in the thread for the past however many pages ever since BC knew Mattchew was lying. If anything, this would have been me HARD bussing Matt, not reluctantly as you've claimed stated. I will concede that the "provider of information" posts are scummy. It also turns out I -(think)- I was wrong in my discussion with BC(2), I'm sure that's going to make me scum for pushing misinformation. My response to Shady(1) especially looks bad given the length of my filter. Not much I can do to change that now. The waffley statement was me asserting that while I don't think Miltonkram was 'lying' (which you snipped out of the quote btw), I still think he was scummy because his case was complete shite relative to the pace of the thread when he made it. Ergo I think Milton is scum. Is that less waffley?
Why does Matt flipping red imply that I'm red as well? Why can't I be continuing to hunt scum? I still think Forumite is scum. My case was not an effort to divert the thread, it was an attempt to focus it. I wasn't around to do so, and feel free to call me scum for not following through before, but wait and see, you'll run out of steam on that front in a moment. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der
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On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true.
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On January 05 2013 05:29 froggynoddy wrote: Iam, Lazer and Hopeless
I would consider consolodating on BC if you feel he is more likely to flip scum than marv. Your targets are not realistic candidates at this point. BC got 4 votes, Hopeless 2. I think it's a bit too early to consolodate. And besides, I am not sure if I'd rather lynch BC than Marv.
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On January 05 2013 05:33 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true. Palmar is a player who people judge almost entirely by whether he is right or wrong on the lynches that he leads. I'm sorry, I may be abit tired, stupid and what not but I don't see how it's relevant to the point you are making.
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Okay, I've decided to swap to BC if Hopeless isn't happening. I don't think he is scum but I don't think Marv is scum either. And I'd rather have town Marv left alive than town BC(sry BC : /...).
But please do check Hopeless!
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On January 05 2013 05:40 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 05:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:33 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:29 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:21 HiroPro wrote:On January 05 2013 05:05 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 05:01 iamperfection wrote:On January 05 2013 04:56 Lazermonkey wrote: Hi, I am back. Eating and posting at the same time FTW
I don't like BC lynch. His play is really truly strange, but there is one question I ask myself and cannot get answered: Why would scum BC put up a case on Palmar out of ALL players...?
I am getting more and more uncomfortable with Marv lynch. I'd actually much rather kill Hopeless at this point tho I'm not sure if we will be able to gather enough votes for that. will evaluate a bit more in a bit. Need to eat first lol.
Scum bc would put a case on palmar to look like he is contributing when he is in fact not. Yhea but why couldn't he just push someone else and not appear dumb like he is now. Especialy considering he was already under some fire even before his case. I doubt that his intention by voting for Palmar was to make it look like he was doing something. Despite his attitude, it shouldn't be very hard to see that Palmar is likely town. And BC is an excellent player, so the simplest explanation is simply that BC is mafia himself and is trying to discredit Palmar (assuming that marvellosity is actually town, which I think is right). But why discredit Palmar when basically everyone got him down as town? It just makes him look stupid. Unless of course both him and Marv were to be scum, which I guess would be possible but almost too good to be true. Palmar is a player who people judge almost entirely by whether he is right or wrong on the lynches that he leads. I'm sorry, I may be abit tired, stupid and what not but I don't see how it's relevant to the point you are making. What I mean is that while most people have said that they consider Palmar town, there will be a backlash against him if he is wrong about marvellosity. BC's post looks to me more like an attempt to fuel that when it starts than anything else. Okey, I get it. though I think it might be a bit of a stretch but w/e.
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Wait, where the fuck is Marv? Why is he absent NOW?
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Owjezus. I just want to lynch Hopeless so bad. ONLY commenting when someone mention him as a lynch canidate...
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So, can we kill Hopeless/BC now?
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On January 05 2013 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote: lay off BC, I don't think he is scum.
I am 100% behind a Hopeless lynch, however.
Marv are you an alignment cop or rolecop? How many uses? I agree with you, but people are being stubborn and don't even consider reading hopeless filter.
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TBH, this is really simple. Marv will get shot/RBed for the rest of the game if he is town. If not, we kill him. Sooo. Please unvote.
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On January 05 2013 06:29 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 05 2013 06:15 grush57 wrote: Okay I just read the thread.. I'm going to go throw a vote on Hopeless. ##Vote: Hopeless1der Comment on Palmar, Marv or BC in the meantime Palmar- He was trolling and now he is being super op scumhunter. Now he is a good player so is that necissarily town?Idk, I don't think marv is scum but palmar has been wrong every time I played with him so far. Marv- He just claimed cop, and I don't think eh should be lynched on D1. BC- He is pretty inactive but he sais he will be back soon. He is a mega vet so I don't think we should lynch him while there are other MUCH MORE SCUMNMY LURKERS LIKE YOU HOPESS Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[ b]Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.[/b] Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless. Get hopeless.ALSO, STARSENSES QFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFTQFT
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On January 05 2013 06:33 grush57 wrote: WHO ARE WE CONSOLIDATING ON? BC it seems, but give it some extra time.
Can you guys PLEASE check hopeless filter + WBGs case on him...?
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On January 05 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote: This is a desperation claim, not to mention according to Ace logic that is always perfect, you should always lynch day 1 roleclaimers.
Don't unvote marv, kill that scummy bastard This game is not a normal game. If Marv is fakeclaiming, scum will take a severe blow by sacrificing KP.
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On January 05 2013 06:45 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 06:42 Palmar wrote: This is a desperation claim, not to mention according to Ace logic that is always perfect, you should always lynch day 1 roleclaimers.
Don't unvote marv, kill that scummy bastard This game is not a normal game. If Marv is fakeclaiming, scum will take a severe blow by sacrificing KP. Then I'll just shoot him. I mean scum will. Yhea, if Marv is fakeclaiming scum will shoot him? : D
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so this means that even if there is a doublevoter, bc will be lynched?
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So, does 6 persons feel like swapping over to Hopeless? : ) Otherwise, byebye BC!
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On January 05 2013 06:53 Promethelax wrote: I don't think hopeless is happening lazer. Why pretend? Because I want him dead. Bad.
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I'll vote BC to prevent any craziness.
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On January 05 2013 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:54 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 06:53 Promethelax wrote: I don't think hopeless is happening lazer. Why pretend? Because I want him dead. Bad. There there Lazer, there's always tomorrow. And then you can make that sweet case you never had time to, right? Yep, that is right!
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: /.
So what do we learn from this? We should've killed Hopeless...
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Lol, how does this make marv scum?
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On January 05 2013 07:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:16 Lazermonkey wrote: : /.
So what do we learn from this? We should've killed Hopeless... What we learn is that Palmar is scum. Herp? How?
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Owlol, Well I'm stupid and/or blind...
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I'm going to bed now. Need to think. See you tomorrow...
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So I woke up...
Marv may very well be scum after all. Two slow alignment cops seems quite unlikely, espesially given that we had a day cop as well.
I actually like his case on MZ tho. Especially the points regarding Tunkeg. But I'm puzzled. I'm not keen at lynching him at all tomorrow because most likely both of them are NOT scum. And I'm more suspicious of Marv.
A vigi shot on tube is bad also imo. The vigi(s), if there are any, should be aiming for the most suspicous person. Not a retarded lurker
The case on Hopeless
So, first off I'd recomend you to take a look at WBGs case becuase I think it was quite good. Now for my own case it basically boils down to this. Hopeless doesn't have shitloads of posts, but it's quite irrelevant. He is far from being the most inactive guy right now.
Now onto what ACTUALLY makes him scum
NO SCUM HUNTING WHAT SO EVER!
Link to zeh filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725
So I am going to list every post Hopeless have done about him thinking someone is suspicious/wants to lynch him. I am not going to list posts of him discussing policy, because that's not actual scum hunting.
On January 04 2013 08:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:10 iamperfection wrote: hopeless one what you think of CC I'm unfamiliar with his meta, I don't remember ever playing with him before. His filter sucks and presumably hasn't been so 'sucky' in previous games? Going to go take a glance at his previous games now. On January 04 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote:iamp, i skimmed witchcraft and then he posted this: Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. So I'm gonna sit on what I thought about him until that gets done. On January 05 2013 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:12 iamperfection wrote: wouldn't it be nice if we all just lynched cc he flips scum and we all praise me as the new best in the world.
That's all i really want. For justice then, ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 00:42 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote: well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar How do you feel about cc's promised, yet undelivered, reads Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. On January 05 2013 00:56 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:52 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 05 2013 00:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 05 2013 00:41 thrawn2112 wrote: well i don't want to lynch either you or palmar How do you feel about cc's promised, yet undelivered, reads On January 04 2013 08:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:23 iamperfection wrote:On January 04 2013 08:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 08:20 debears wrote:On January 04 2013 08:18 iamperfection wrote: you should join the wagon of justice as well debars Can we please keep CC around til at least day 2? I love the kid. He's so funny Nope. All serious biz this game. Lynch me Dibbers c'mon. hey you haven't tried to hunt scum at all. What have you to say to this accusation? It's not an accusation - it's truth. Truth for half the players too. Don't worry I'll be cooking up something later tonight after work. don;t remember who it was but somebody pointed out the difference between scum cc and town cc, scum cc posts are much better quality. in witchcraft i thought cc was 100% scum because of how trollish/annoying/illogical his posts were and he ended up flipping town. if the point of lynching cc is to lynch a lurker i'd prefer selecting from people with lower content uhh, unless there was more, I remember it was kush, and thinking 'godamnit' to myself: Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 13:46 kushm4sta wrote: town cheesecake seems more trolly. "Cool story" etc scum cheesecake makes cleaner posts. So for meta reasons with 2 games experience. On January 05 2013 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 00:54 Lazermonkey wrote: thrawn, your case is just sooo bad. I don't know what to say even. Like you point out several things but HOW do them make me scummy? Like all your points are based on very extreme WIFOM.
I never said my vote is useless. It is however not very usefull when it's 45 hours untill lynch and I'm the only one that's voting the person.
the phrasing thing is not a proof of anything really.
Firstly, how was my push against Tunkeg OMGUS? You then say that it is scummy that I first tell everyone that I'm going to check Tunkeg's meta before doing it. Well, it isn't.
My grush/kush policy thing was hardly serious.
You say I'm trying to bandwagon but that's also massive WIFOM. Maybe I'm just town who reconsider. On January 05 2013 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote: Palmar, why are you just so different from the last two games you were in?
I second thrawns' thoughts about CC, and I agree with his arguments about LM except for the argument with the "looks bad"-phrasing. I'm not lynching Lazer based on some retarded phrasing-argument.
As a birthday present, I demand that we lynch VE, Kush or Lazermonkey.
Hopeless, I don't see what you see about that red highlighted stuff. You want to lynch Lazer or not?
@ Thrawn
I want to know why you said that town kush is easily identifiable in your post about LM. Do you think he is town in this game?How is he easily identifiable as town when he isn't as scum? Don't want to lynch lazer yet, but he discredits thrawn by saying the "mafia motive" part of the case is missing, then goes on to address the "mafia motive" in the case. On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote:TUBE WAHT THE FAQ On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:20 wherebugsgo wrote: also lol @ hopeless actively lurking.
He said nothing for 3 hours and had no comments on the major goings-on but as soon as I make a case on him he shows up.
I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake how do you feel about BC, dear? Apologies if you've already answered this before. Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:26 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote: [quote] Half-baked because he includes zero reasoning and zero other things besides names of people.
Pretty useless IMO. I think you're taking it a little too seriously. And talking about random names will just clutter up this thread even more. If those are his honest scum reads I think the guy is full of shit and totally worthless to town, as he has been basically the whole game so far. That's my point. A trolling chez is typically more useful then 90% of the players in a game. You may not like that answer or agree with it but it is straight up fact. I've never played with him before so I have no idea if this is the case or not. However, this logic is used to defend a lot of veteran players on Day 1, so I don't think it particularly useful to say at the moment. eh? You will find that logic should be shot and burned for all players who are not notoriously trollish regardless of alignment of vet players. IE chez or bill murray. Anyone else trying to pull off the "hes trolling day 1 its fine" argument is retarded. Day 1 people begin the trend of how they will play in a game typically. A day 1 troll is likely going to be a troll all game. The only difference is if they have random insight in their posts. So far only chez's rantings are even remotely interesting / relevant from the trolls. What has he said that has been worthwhile so far? Go read his filter. Im not your translator and hes being insanely direct for his normal insanity. He clearly has posted his reads and even called people out. Find out which ones and *gasp* you might realize his posts do actually contain content. I know who he thinks is suspicious but I have no idea why he thinks that or how he thinks what he's doing is helping town lynch those people. It looks like finger pointing masked by a roleplay facade. But fine, I'll give him time because I have reads that lead me elsewhere. You vouching for him is enough to make me reconsider my position at the moment. Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler On January 05 2013 06:29 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 06:27 Keirathi wrote:bugs, your reaction to the claim is troubling. On December 02 2012 07:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 marvellosity wrote:On December 02 2012 06:52 Blazinghand wrote: yeah a role PM would be nice marv
I do think Ace makes a reasonable case for why Marv's claim is bad and should be punished, but as a rule lynching blue claims D1 is bad. Sorry Ace. You are Jamie Hyneman. Your love of the scientific method makes it possible for you to find out how shit works. You've also got a cool collection of cameras and stuff, that you can totally use to track people. (Detective) LOL what kind of shit cop claims day 1? Of all people marv would know that this is a terrible idea as town. So, guess what? HE'S NOT TOWN! Paranoia, as town, with a town amrv claiming cop. Quite a different reaction here :o bugs is scum btw These are literally the only posts by him that's discussing scum. the rest of them arediscussing policy, giving out townreads and having fun. So, what you will notice is that all of these posts are crap. He basically doesn't motivate a single thing in his posts. Yes, hopeless, I know you wrote two sentences about explaining why CC were scum and three on explaining your BC vote, so don't come with some Bullshit about me contradicting myself again. 5 sentences explaining your scum reads D1 are basically equivalent to none.
So, the next thing one might ask is, does hopeless always play this shitty when(if) he is town? because if he is. then he might not be scum. So I looked at his filter in Mario Mini Mafia were he played Vanilla(link)The diferrence in game play is sooo insane I cannot find teh words for it. Here are two posts from D1:On November 14 2012 22:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 14:54 debears wrote: For all you who think me being afk is a scumtell, which you guys are retarded if you do
Let me just say this once. Fuck off debears. Nothing personal, but in all seriousness OMGUS. I'm still your scum read because I've done nothing since you laid into me for 'lecturing town'. If you still want to harp on that chord, you're not being a good little townie. I was afk for longer than you were, and you have nothing new to post in the thread. I'll lay this out for you. This is the post I was "lecturing" about: Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On November 13 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote: you can't active lurk in a game that's less than 2 hours old, numbnuts.
If anyone's 'active lurking' it's me. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Don't shut people down who are obviously trying their best to scum hunt and contribute. You are only going to discourage those things. Or is that what you want? I was not lecturing everyone, I was responding to a single post and listing multiple examples of less than stellar reasons to vote for someone. I was told to drop it with you so you could focus on the rest of the game instead, because I was distracting you from being useful. Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 00:17 marvellosity wrote: Hopeless, I think you're making too much of that. The bit you bold says "was" - past tense, that was his stance previously (when he'd missed my Crossfire post).
Like debears said just now there's not a lot to say about Crossfire otherwise, you can't really have a stance on someone who hasn't posted yet.
The whole issue is overblown and should be dropped. If only because it's a big distraction to debears, who has to keep talking about it, and it's not helping anyone And yet I'm still your top scum read and iamperfection is still the only other player you'll really talk about. You haven't commented on anything significant (neither have I yet, but fuck it, you're already voting me) I dont give a shit what your IRL issues are, same as you probably dont care why I was gone. I care that you claim that there are no better cases than the one on me when you have no new information and are just stuck on the fact that I'm afk and therefore avoiding you. What's more, you aren't even pushing me as your scum read. Yes this is an OMGUS vote. ##Vote: debearsAm I going to need to pull a BH and shoot my load earl--I mean sift through my own meta to find examples of me being a jackass? Btw debears, why in the hell were you unable/unwilling to comment on BH's claim? On November 15 2012 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:The following are a list of people who, if lynched, would be heavily motivated by activity: Me - Town Debears - Scum Thrawn - Still alive in Acme. Also drastically inactive. His excuse is getting too high. Checks out. Null DarthPunk - His play doesn't fit any Mafia meta at all (Mafia = the game itself, not the alignment). Also still alive in Acme. Checks out. Null Kickstarter - First game. Calls Hapa scummy, then BH and Hapa as scumbuddies. He goes on to suggest that flipping one is the same as flipping the other + Show Spoiler +On November 14 2012 12:27 Kickstart wrote:I already said how I view it - him pressuring and questioning people, I don't feel that he needs to change his vote to the person he is pressuring / trying to get a read on? Would it help? Maybe. Is it a scum tell that he didn't? Not to me. and I see we are quickly posting back and forth so I will just reiterate on: Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 12:11 Hapahauli wrote:On November 14 2012 12:07 Kickstart wrote: Blazing is right, I clearly stated on page 22 that I am sleeping now and will attempt to post before heading to school later. I wake up and there are 10+ pages to read and I did not have the time to read all that and form a proper post in ~30 minutes (you constantly saying that I post something and then peace-out is a bit annoying because every time I go to class or sleep I have explicitly stated that I was doing so). And to your second question yes I do view that as you and bh working together, that is why I said I would have auto voted you if BH flipped red otherwise would have had to really reevaluate. And I did not say I believe his JK claim???? I said it was a horrible claim and makes him "deadweight" now (3rd time saying this now...). Your logic right now: "I was 100% down with lynching BH... and then he claims jk" "I still don't like his posting before or after the claim " "I would love to flip him just to see" ...and then you vote me for starting a "bandwagon" on a player. Yeah ok. That totally makes sense. Again, I am reading both you and BH as scummy. I was going to vote him and if he flipped red auto vote you, but now that he jk claimed I am just as content to do the opposite - vote you and if you flip red vote him. And the above should do fine in response to BHs snarky comment. My voting has nothing to do with being a man or not, you are overusing that line. I am keeping my vote on Hapa for now , and if he does get lynched and flips red, I will gladly vote for you immediatly. He goes on to vote me, but just lumps himself into the 'other cases on me'. I realize it may be an effort to consolidate, but he has offered nothing other than his vote and I find that scummy. In addition, he feels that Hapa has redeemed himself, and BH can't be lynched today due to his claim. However, there is no discussion from him regarding the two (current) lynch candidates. Again, I find this scummy. I had to pull the information from him, instead of him offering it up freely. Pot, Kettle, Black, but its no less true. Crossfire - has posted very little. My read on him is that he and BH are not both scum. All his posts have related to BH in some way so far, and seem sincere in that he cannot understand the need to claim. I'm null on him, with the caveat that if BH flips scum, he's most likely town. Hapa - town, largely due to connections between him and debears, and between him and kickstart. This read has severely influenced my current scumreads. BH is trolly as fuck, but unlynchable today due to an uncountered JK claim. I haven't read into his meta, because there is no chance to push his lynch, even if I can make a convincing case. Despite this, I think the trolling is scummy, and I'll need to read the threads he's referenced during the night (assuming I'm not lynched). Marv - Town. Huge filter but its not really spammy. I get the feeling he cares, is active and is helping to organize town. Even if hes not town, which I think he is, I'd want to watch him sit idle as down destroys itself before I feel the need to vote him. This read is based on meta from games I played with marv: Mad Men (Town-Marv), and Death Note (Scum-Marv). iamperfection - Null. I've commented on this already. I'm sad that he doesn't want to lynch debears and sadder that it means he'll probably vote me, but I don't have scum alarms going off. Clarity - Town. He seems to misread the thread or just confuse people alot. I feel that type of repeating 'mistake' is less likely to happen as scum. Fairly active and is sticking to his read on DP. Also is seen trying to focus people into more productive avenues. Could be called faked activity, but his intentions are open for all to see. I'd like to know where he stands at present between me and debears though. Z-Bo - Town. I liked his pursuit of his case against BH and thought he brought up some legitimate points. Apparently they were so good BH had to claim to escape. Also, tried to get a meta read on me, concludes I'm scum. Slight contradictions from his earlier stance that I was similar to the game he meta'd me with, and I know he's wrong, but that doesn't make him scum. His conclusions are true and he looks like he's legitimately trying to catch scum. Strongandbig - Null-Town. Strange vt claim feels townslippy. However, Kenpachi rule shenanigans and insists on lynching BH for a while, despite blueclaim. Too strong of a scum motive to just let that slide, but I also think BH is scummy, so this read flips to Null-Scum if BH is in fact JK. Yhea...
There are actually more things that make him scum but this is the biggest point IMO. Will post the rest later today hopefully...
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Sooo, noone feeling like comment on hopeless?
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On January 05 2013 20:44 supersoft wrote: you're not in danger lol. Are you...?
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Part 2 of Hopeless case
Hopeless are setting up wagon possibilties everywhere.
Hopeless are calling everyone scummy/bad but aren't willing to vote them...yet. So, WBG was touching on this matter in his case but I truly want to emphazise that I think this is a big deal + show more concrete examples of this.On January 03 2013 11:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 03 2013 07:44 Palmar wrote:On January 03 2013 07:43 grush57 wrote: do a video palmar! Nah, I read my role pm, it'll be too hard to fake that I'm town on camera. How did no one jump on this btw? I'm going with the logic that Palmar is too dumb to slip so it was a trap, which makes him clearly town in my book. This was intentional to me. Palmar doesn't seem like the kind of player who would slip like that, so I read that post in a joking tone. That said, I certainly don't have a townread on Palmar. Then again, I wouldn't lynch him either, but only because I've fucked that up once in the past and he's almost always a prime target for mafia KP, so I'm much more comfortable leaving him alive. Despite his shitty reasons for voting bugs and being generally trolly for the time being, I don't think it is ever worth lynching him Day 1 because he's so likely to get shot all the time. Same goes for marv on the "do not lynch Day 1 list" On January 03 2013 12:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:45 yamato77 wrote:On January 03 2013 11:40 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 11:38 yamato77 wrote: What does anything these good mafia players say in the early game mean?
They basically just post to post. The only alignment indicative things they do in the game is lynch people. Or rather, try to lynch townies. This post is useless, quite like your suspicions against me. What would you like to hear from me yamato? Do you have any thoughts about the game that don't involve policy lynches? yeah, palmar looks more like scum to me than town, but again, not willing to lynch into him. Toad also looks scummy because he's spewing nonsense and then telling me I'm dumb for taking him even remotely seriously. In the event that I manage to get lynched, he plays the "guys it was Day 1 I was just joking around" card. Toad's last post isn't particularly alignment indicative, and while a nice sentiment (no town reads), it ultimately lends more to my confirmation bias that he isn't actually helping town this game, he`s just posting and being active. On January 05 2013 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote: Palmar, why are you just so different from the last two games you were in?
I second thrawns' thoughts about CC, and I agree with his arguments about LM except for the argument with the "looks bad"-phrasing. I'm not lynching Lazer based on some retarded phrasing-argument.
As a birthday present, I demand that we lynch VE, Kush or Lazermonkey.
Hopeless, I don't see what you see about that red highlighted stuff. You want to lynch Lazer or not?
@ Thrawn
I want to know why you said that town kush is easily identifiable in your post about LM. Do you think he is town in this game?How is he easily identifiable as town when he isn't as scum? Don't want to lynch lazer yet, but he discredits thrawn by saying the "mafia motive" part of the case is missing, then goes on to address the "mafia motive" in the case. On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake Also note that he first casted some doubt CC and what not but didn't vote him untill after Palmar and Iamperfectiom did so, further proving my theory about him setting up wagons.
Hopeless is superdefensive and cares more about his own life than to kill scum
Over and over Hopeless is super fast at calling out players to explain why they called him scummy or if they did. This is even though that Hopeless wasn't a realistic lynch almost through all the day.
On January 04 2013 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:06 debears wrote: THERE MAY COME A DAY WHERE THE HEARTS OF MEN MAY FAIL, AND PALMAR WILL BE LYNCHED.
BUT IT IS NOT THIS DAY Two qusetions: Were you subtly calling me scum earlier? + Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. Are you going to be the rare person who explains why they want to vote for someone (i.e. Why are you voting for Tunkeg?) On January 04 2013 08:31 Hopeless1der wrote:@Dibbers: Y U Ignroe me? Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Twoone qusetion s: Were you subtly calling me scum earlier? + Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 13:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:38 Toadesstern wrote:besides that, hopeless looks like a nice 2nd target. On January 03 2013 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 03 2013 07:04 Lazermonkey wrote: So, anyone feel like policy lynching grush just for the lulz? He is going to troll the game 24/7 no matter what alignment he gets... I will have nothing to do with a policy lynch on any specific player. If a player warrants such treatment, they shouldn't be allowed to play in the first place. You may not like grush's playstyle, but I don't find it entirely devoid of reason or thinking. 1)I am willing to go after lurkers, but that's about as far as I am concerned with policy.2) @wbg voters: dafuq? 1) Who cares and why are you telling us that? You could as well just get in here, yell "YALLA YALLA NO POLICY LYNCH OMFG NOOBS" and it would be way better than that. Why do you feel the need to tell us that you're fine with lynching a lurker although you apparently don't want to, at all? At least that's what I'm getting at here. 2) Srsly? 1) I am not fine with lynching at random. I am not fine with lynching alphabetically I am not fine with lynching by forum post count I am not fine with lynching by thread post count I am fine with lynching lurkers 2) Piss off Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Merry Christmas TL Mafia!
Over the past 9 months, I've been going back through old games and putting together a mafia database. For each game, I have a record containing game details, the players to have played each game, their roles, and the whether they were lynched, killed, etc. I've put together a TL Mafia Library record for each game (excluding the summary/analysis). I may end up merging this entire post with the library sticky if I'm able to have access to the library account. Additionally, there is a list for each player for all the games they have played, their roles, and links to their filters. Hopefully this will come in handy for people who want an easy way to look for a game where player X was mafia or had a certain role. Finally, I put together a few fun statistics.
Special thanks to Meapak, Dirkzor, VisceraEyes, layabout and Marv for their help!
Mafia players are lynched 21.1% of the time on day one. Random lynching would result in a mafia lynch 24.6% of the time. 44% of players playing in a newbie game have returned to play in at least 1 other game. There have been 931 distinct mafia players. On January 05 2013 04:02 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 03:50 wherebugsgo wrote:Jesus stop fucking spamming. Coming from me, this game has too many posts and I spam myself quite a lot. The last four pages at least have been nothing but one liners. I went to sleep 7 hours ago and the thread was inflated by 300 posts. What the fuck? What makes any of you think that posting so much useless shit is helpful for finding scum? First of all, Palmar is right now possibly the most anti-town player in the game. Literally no one has a good reason to be on marv right now, and if you have sheeped Palmar you really need to get your head out of your ass and go read a newbie guide. Two things on this point: #1 marv is not a good lynch today. He's a very good asset if he is town and he is quite honestly not that scummy. Certainly he hasn't done much today but you can say this about literally anyone. Nothing in his filter seems to have been motivated by a scum background and everything he has said can be plausibly explained from a town perspective. He's a good enough player that if his reads are bad (they are not) and if he has not done anything for a few days (yes, a couple days-he's a prime night kill target if town) then he should die. I am highly surprised that Palmar is choosing to attack marv on such weak evidence (he basically cherry-picked his filter) when there is, IMO, a much better vet target in the game that you could make a much stronger case on (Foolishness). + Show Spoiler +However I'm not suggesting we kill Foolishness today since he is arguably the best asset for town in the game if he is town, and generally his day 1 is very trolly and lurky #2 BC is not a good lynch today either. His last post conforms to how I think BC actually thinks about the game. I don't think he is necessarily right, as it is certainly possible for Palmar to be of either alignment-for now, I lean town given that Palmar actually took time to make a spreadsheet (and some of the reads make sense) but I don't think he is a good lynch. With all of this said, I think the kill for today should be: Hopeless1der or Meapak.I would prefer to kill Hopeless today, and so I'm not going to comment on why I find Meapak scummy. I think Hopeless is the best lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725¤tpage=2Looking at Hopeless's posts, he questions a lot and stays mostly under the radar. If you notice, he takes no opinions of his own. He also says things scum are very likely to say: "I don't find this guy scummy, but....idk, it might pigeonhole me later so I might lynch him later!" He said that about literally every player that was brought up. In addition, he took the random lynching VERY seriously, and often the people who take things like that very seriously are either scum or dumb. I certainly don't think Hopeless is dumb, so that leaves scum. Finally, his meta: Here are quotes from 4 different games. Try to note the differences, before I point them out myself, and try to see if you can guess his alignment correctly. + Show Spoiler [game1] +On November 01 2012 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:40 Acrofales wrote:Hi Mattchew. On the one hand I agree with you, although for different reasons. However, I have seen this kind of finger pointing go terribly wrong too often. It is entirely possible Release is a newbienoob (which I kinda suspect given that I have no clue who he is) and is simply jumping on the first bad play of the game, in what I will happily call the second bad play of the game. My main problem with Release is this post: On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 09:01 Release wrote: EBWOP: those are three separate ideas, although kushmasta is looking scummy for both trying to change who should claim and being deceitful about it. I'm not being deceitful about it, I just got their names mixed up. I think they should probably both claim actually. @releaseAre you suggesting that I'm trying to trick power roles like vig, dt, etc into mass claiming? Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death? well, you were assigning Mason traits to the miller, which led to the confusion that it did between who should claim. Also, you didn't mention mason but the "town who can talk to each other." You avoided saying mason. Mason is clear. "town who can talk to each other" could be mason, but could be miller if someone assumed you were talking about who YOU thought "could talk to each other." Mafia is a game in which posts can't be editted. People tend to check their posts for any dubious or tentative information. I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. I wasn't talking about the mass claim. That was rather obvious. This is pathetic and reaks of scum. While I was willing to write off his first post as one derp of accusing another derp, this one just seems malevolent. He is trying to paint a scum reason for making a mistake and dreaming up wild unprovable theories in the process. This is not a town move. It's an easy way for scum to (try to) get a mislynch bandwagon going. Nevertheless, it's a terrible scumplay. Holding off on my vote to see where this goes. Zealos is being Zealos. I have nothing much to say about him yet. Acro, I just want to confirm that you think Kush derped (i.e. is probably town) and that Release might have derped but it was very scummy and you'd lean towards him being scum. Is that correct? Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 10:47 kushm4sta wrote:On November 01 2012 10:30 Release wrote:On November 01 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 01 2012 10:09 Release wrote: I highly doubt that you "mixed up" their names because things like that tend to get checked, which leads me to believe you said such things on purpose. and I highly doubt you would actually think this I was confused about whom we wanted to claim and which each were. So i checked the OP and the thing Hope posted and asked for clarification. Kush posted things based on a misunderstanding and i don't understand why he would not check the OP or ask for clarification. I mean, in Hope's post-quote, there was clearly a miller AND a mason. So it appears that Kush is setting himself up for a defense ( as I have said), and overeager to contribute. I guess you have never played with me before. Most of the time I don't think before I post and I'm quite capable of derps as town. About your suspicion of me: Let me get this straight. You think my scumplan was to convince the masons to claim then cover my ass by pretending I mixed up masons and millers? That does not sound like a realistic scumplan! I grudgingly agree that kush derps pretty consistently. On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote: Lol if muso has a town partner he should claim now to avoid a mislynch... Anything else would be brain dead logic And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed?Also, unanswered questions: Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:05 kushm4sta wrote: Are millers' true alignment revealed upon death?
Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 03:29 Zealos wrote: I really hate this encryption thing, it just doesn't make sense for the point of the game imo. ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 03 2012 01:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 01:34 Muso wrote:It's 3am here and I doubt I'll be awake for the end of day. It doesn't look like Promethelax is coming, and unfortunately lynching him is the only viable option here. Some of you believe otherwise, and I can't stop you. I urge you to trust Acro though (at least for today). He makes sense. If the lynch on me does go through, I implicitly urge you to revisit these last 6 hrs and look at players who were opposed to shifting attention off of me. Hopeless1der is one such player. If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der. In fact this kind of resistance just strengthens the case against Promethelax. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is.
I sincerely hope I get to revisit this post on Day 2, and if I don't please somebody else do it for me. Hopeless1der cannot be trusted. ##vote Promethelax This post just strengthens my resolve to lynch you Muso. "If in the future Promethelax rolls town, I highly suggest interrogating Hopeless1der." In this scenario, I'm scum for NOT wanting to lynch a townie. Please clarify what you mean if you're still around. On November 03 2012 06:49 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 06:48 Acrofales wrote:On November 03 2012 06:41 Release wrote: 7 is the magic number so i ask someone who is tentatively voting muso to switch to promethelax. It isn't too hard to understand why. Please don't act braindead. Huh? Why do you want the vote to be easily manipulatable by scum? 8 is a good number. You are pretty much condoning last-minute shenanigans with this bullshit. Two people switch at the last second and claim they were doing what you wanted, but didn't see the other's switch. It's stupid. 8 is fine, 9 is better for consolidation. Is that a short answer for "fuck it, lynch Muso"? + Show Spoiler [game2] +On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:@Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! @Jingle - Well, I didn't (and still don't) know to what it refers. I'd google it, but if its anywhere as bad as it seems, doing so from work is probably a bad idea. This better not give me nightmares... On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:@Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! What do you mean? I don't see a contradiction here... What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later. On July 05 2012 10:19 Hopeless1der wrote: This will be a good test to see how a bandwagon gets started then I suppose.
Jingle's done this before, just calling someone out based on their name being strange or the icon next to their name. The early posts are just random crap to get people talking. His post about lurkers is suspicious, but if we let people lurk, there's going to be some scum in the pile.
Throwing an early lynch at lurkers forces them to be more active, so there is more chance at scumslips instead of nothing to go on at all for those players. They all look scummy when they say and do nothing. The last couple games I've played/obs'd have been riddled with people being replaced and lurking and it completely screws with town's ability to make consistent reads. However, most of those games were majority lynch so the lurker problem had a much bigger impact.
If we have scum reads we should definitely push them. I don't think a lynch lurker mentality is that beneficial to town given our voting system. Any lurking scum can jump on any suspicion very easily and not look any worse than the next lurker that just follows the pack. Good scum reads will force them out of the woodwork to cast suspicion on someone else.
And I'm still not casting a vote as we're still waiting on 4 players to make a post and for Evulrabbitz and zen_man to do something relevant. The way rabbitz has disappeared concerns me as he ducked out just as we started getting to the not completely useless posts. + Show Spoiler [game3] +On August 03 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:34 Toadesstern wrote:On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 21:13 Toadesstern wrote:I'm more interested in VE's intentions actually. - Did he mason someone randomly from the get go? Why wasn't he afraid to randomly hit mafia at all? WBG can be pretty manipulative
- If it was not from the get-go VE probably had a town-read on WBG. If that's the case VE should have no problem at all telling people why he thinks WBG to be town. Someone masoning without even being able to explain why is the most suspicious thing in the world. So VE SHOULD have told WBG why he thinks that he's town if that's really the case.
- Did VE explain why he masoned you WBG?
I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote: Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up...Jingle, you can read just fine.
Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:33 Glasse wrote:On August 03 2012 23:31 prplhz wrote: Why don't you like wherebugsgo? Why are you defending him so much? Is he your scum buddy? All he did so far was randomly call 2 names without any proofs. All you have done so far is provide a series of one-liners that are non-committal and dismissive towards prplhz's accusations of your actions thus far. He looks significantly more "town than town can be" by comparison, since he's actively pressuring and trying to get discussion out of you. He asks precisely WHY do you not like wbg, and you throw it back in his face, and expect that to look townie? You kiddin me? ##Vote: Glasse (I still think we should post our votes in this thread for filter/quoting purposes...just don't pull any fake vote shenanigans plz) On August 04 2012 08:58 Hopeless1der wrote: At a quick once over, Zeph is looking scummiest right now, but Hier just broke my sarcasm meter. While I'm fixing it I'll be looking more closely at Zeph within the next couple hours.
Meanwhile, ##Unvote: Glasse Sounded like a straightforward read of wbg, considering wbg just shat all over the "mason claim" discussion. I don't like that he jumped to the conclusion that bugs is scum, but at least something to back it up, so Glasse checks out so far.
EBP (Edit before post) and oh crap we already lost a townie. Role of Zorkmid is Townie or 'unknown'? Its green so I assume townie, but I'd like to confirm. On August 08 2012 06:18 Hopeless1der wrote:I sincerely apologize for my lack of activity. In hindsight I should have requested a replacement as my co-worker went on vacation and I've been working stupid amounts of overtime to make up for it. I will be more active from tonight going forward (still at work right now). My reads today are that between Erandorr, VE and Bugs, there is likely to be scum and I think that it's Erandorr right now. The case against bugs is largely his meta, which I am not familiar with. His mason debacle could go either way, his rage as well. All WIFOM and perhaps "Anti-Town" but NOT the same thing as "Scummy" to me. More trolling than anything else, and look what happened to master troll Grush. This is not enough for me to want to vote him. VE is (or was) vehemently against voting bugs: + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP.
This lynch on WBG is not happening.
Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit.
I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY.
##Vote: talismania
I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really?
I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. With people meta'ing, hes apparently suspicious due to his lack of activity, which he says is due to his mason role, and sounds plausible to me. His case against Erandorr makes much more sense to me than Eran's defense of it. Eran tried to accuse VE of neglecting questions and received a prompt response, and Erandorr takes it out of turn to dispute it. + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 10:48 Erandorr wrote:VE, wtf. Can you please look at those quotes in context? 1st quote: I respond to who seem to think that the raging started with me, not him 2nd : I think his rage is was a tool to dodge any questions he did not want to answer. 3rd: is a response to that guy accusing me of being as guilty of raging as wbg, and using it as part of a case vs me. its not me whining, its me clarifying something someone is not willing to see. 4th: the same, broodking accuses me of starting the shitstorm so once again I try to use "facts" Show nested quote +No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about Show nested quote +Erand you're like...not HEARING logic bro! Bugs already told you why he outted us as masons, and you didn't accept his reasoning! While it inconvenienced my use of the power (as far as like...sneakily getting scum to tell me their seekrits or whatever) it has actually HELPED town in that it has given the rest of the players OUTSIDE of the three of us a means to further their reads on all of us. slOosh said this. I've said this. Yet what do you do when asked to logically argue your case? You point to the same 4 or 5 ILLOGICAL POSTS on the matter!! Liar. About the "wifom" I think you are scum at this point. If you are town then you are one of the biggest morons I have ever seen called "good" at mafia. I also think you probably are scum with WBG, at least I hope you are WBG VE Jingles Broodking Some other random lurker (hassy,bio...? ) ##Vote wbgI am out, good luck with the game. The main point is he paraphrased VE in the nested quote's "I don't give a fuck" sentiment when VE was specifically referring to the MASON stuff. This occured AFTER the second quoted post, which was followed by: Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 09:31 Erandorr wrote: 2)Did you miss the part where I explained 30 times that its not at all about the mason thing anymore?
Wasn't the mason thing the whole reason Eran thought bugs was scummy at the start? (Or "anti-town") Erandorr's attempt to pass off VE's case as contradictory is incredibly scummy to me, and he immediately says "I am out", leaving no opportunity to grill him further. Based on this interaction, I find VE to be townie. ##Vote: Erandorr On August 09 2012 02:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2012 02:17 talismania wrote:On August 09 2012 02:15 Hopeless1der wrote: That to me looks like VE is angry with you and wants you to pay for almost mislynching him. If you flip town, we'll be hard pressed to pick between him and bugs for who to lynch tomorrow after the whole eran-ve-bugs triangle.
I don't know about the 'make up for my folly tonight'. I'm expecting an epic case near the deadline right now. tbh I'm expecting 3 or 4 cases right around the deadline tonight, plus the rest of the mason logs. what do you mean "if I flip town" and then "lynch tomorrow"? You know something about the NKs that I don't? I don't know anything about the NK's. I was making an inference based on the situation you described with him coming up with a vig shot on you. If you were to somehow get shot tonight, you said you suspect VE of having a hand in it, though you can't understand how thats possible if he's a mason. You being shot (by him) would assume hes scum. My comment about the lynch tomorrow was that in no way does you flipping town confirm him as scum. I'm still of the opinion that at least one of VE-Bugs-Eran is scum, and since eran has flipped town my choices there are down to two. + Show Spoiler [game4] +On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase: On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again?
Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him.
I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite+ Show Spoiler +Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic On September 05 2012 03:19 Hopeless1der wrote:Because it's not necessarily a mistake at that point, its just a fake-claim. It kind of makes sense for an assa to do it, but not for a blue because scum have no way to track visits. We've since learned that Nosy Neighbors are not self-aware. Mistake or not, the fakeclaim was made by MATTCHEW. Not some random player, but specifically the one that Toad referred to and referred to again when you continued to poke at him. And Rewok, Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 03:08 Rewok wrote: Ottox - This is a lot of fighting for a random townie. Seems like a really specific save.
If Mattchew turns up Mafia, my next vote is Otto, for sure. Likewise, I'm not voting Ottow if Mattchew turns up green / blue.
That's a stupid way to look at things. Do you think Ottoxlol is legitimately trying to save Matt or just being a jerk because he won't read. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:22 Toadesstern wrote: need an honest answer. What do you consider worse:
a) People not thinking while posting / reading b) People defending other people 1 hour into the game when they have no reason to do such a thing and should be happy to see as much posts from the person in question defending himself rather than stopping the discussion defending him. Ninja'd by Toad. Oh well. On September 07 2012 01:54 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 09:04 DoYouHas wrote:Now that we are sure about Matt, I think I have found scum in Hopeless1der. Hopeless and Broodking are the two people who posted cases on people other than Mattchew (Forumite and Toad, respectively) in the time period between when BC's attack and Palmar's confirmation. This I think is a very important period of time because the uncertainty of the town on how to deal with BC and Matt makes it the best time for scum to try and divert the wagon of their scumbuddy. Both Hopeless and Brood's cases could have been made with that intent, but I see Hopeless as scum easier than I see Brood. Brood had expressed his distaste for Toad earlier in the game and just doesn't fit the reluctant busser as well as Hopeless. I have already taken issue with some of his case on Forumite Here. But when you combine his case with the post he made a page earlier. You have to admit that it looks awfully like he is attacking BC (the main proponent of a Matt lynch) and then trying to divert to another target. Not convinced this is what he was doing? Here is the first line of his case on Forumite: On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite:
Moving on to his "voteswitch" On September 04 2012 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote: 1.I never actually did vote in the first place, but anyways:
##Unvote: Forumite ##Vote: Mattchew 2.Reasoning: See the entire fucking thread. 1. - He never did vote Forumite. this reads to me exactly like he was trying to use his case to divert the Matt bandwagon, and after Palmar confirmed the fakeclaim, is trying to save face. (Funny how nobody seems to call him out for this voteswitch despite searching for defenders of Matt.) 2. - He doesn't seem to happy to be switching to a guaranteed fakeclaim that is very likely scum right here, odd.
After Hopeless' vote has settled onto Mattchew I note 2 more things that read scummy to me. First, in these two posts (1)(2) Hopeless jumps at the chance to be the information provider, a very easy way to 'contribute' and with someone as inactive as Hopeless a definite scumtell. Second, On September 05 2012 07:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
-snipped massive nested quotes-
The whole point of his case is that you pushing DP wasn't a real scum read, it was errant Day 1 bullshit. Which most of the thread was at that point. I still think he's scummy because that's a shitty case at the time it arose, but it's reasonably consistent, despite the misinformation. This waffley statement is definitely something I would expect from scum.
To sum up, I think Hopeless1der fits a reluctant busser that is trying to slide by extremely well and I want to lynch him ASAP. In my filter, I have this post: + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 12:52 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 14:34 BroodKingEXE wrote: Nosy neighbor is standard miller(the neighbor doesn't know they are nosy)? Blues have to visit their target as well as Mafia, correct? Check out this post on page 8. It was never answered in thread and it has been edited. In addition, the set-up appears to have been tweaked: Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote: Due to slight setup tweaks, mafia now has permanent 2kp. It will not change over the course of the game. Take note, however, that no member of the mafia can deliver more than 1 kp, so effectively the mafia will drop to 1kp when there is only one member left.
(page 9, again it's been edited) Moral of the story is we don't know and BC needs to stop bullshitting us if he does in fact know something that the rest of us seem to have missed. Followed by my case on Forumite in this post: + Show Spoiler +On September 04 2012 13:18 Hopeless1der wrote:Supposing we table the nosy-neighbor discussion(which appears to still be going strong), I would like to point out my take on Forumite: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. "We're lynching you anyway" Not cool. First, I disagree with the notion that revealing yourself as a nosy neighbor is scummy. Oh wait, Forumite didn't really say that. He didn't really say much of anything here if you ask me, but back to the point of "lynching you anyways", I don't like the blanket statements from Forumite. Here's another one: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:46 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:42 BlackMamba24 wrote:On September 04 2012 09:27 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:07 BlackMamba24 wrote: I mean that blues should do what they feel is best with their own judgment and ignore any direction from the "town" Sorry, I should have been more specific. I wondered about this phrase: On September 04 2012 07:55 BlackMamba24 wrote: Never lynch someone just because they wouldn't claim to the town leader or whatever, that's asinine, asiten, asieleven, asitwelve, etc. What is there to explain? There's a difference between lynching someone for not backing themselves up after they're caught lying or whatever and lynching someone because they don't trust the town circle. It sounded weird. It´s common for the voteleader to be lynched unless he claims (convincingly). As an aside, "It sounded weird" is not a phrase I like to see. Immediately makes me suspicious. Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 09:55 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:43 Mattchew wrote:On September 04 2012 09:36 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:12 Mattchew wrote: I am a nosy neighbor. Anyone else with this role should insta-claim as well.
The reason people policy lynch people like BM and Grush is because they get by into later in the game because they are unreadable. This is because they barely actually play the game and if you end up in lylo with one of them left, you've basically already lost. I completely understand anyone wanting to policy lynch them, but we should also not allow them to be off the hook for some sort of scum read during the day.
That being said, I remember thinking to myself that I don't hate BM's play in the last few games I have been in with him. I do not want to policy lynch today.
Why would you claim this? You eliminated yourself as a possible blue from scums list of townies, and it´s not like you doing this eliminates you as a scum suspect. If someone see you visiting a player who dies the we´re lynching you anyway. Because there is no town benefit to me hiding this information. and for all everyone knows I could be a blue role trying to avoid being incorrectly tracked as well if I get tracked to a dead person atleast there will be something to think about before mislynching me Lying to town as a blue is a bad idea. If you fakeclaim nosy neighbor to fool scum, then you risk getting lynched by town. You are still going to draw a few trackers during the first few nights, just to make sure that you are really visiting people at random with no effect, so because of this you might actually be hurting town by distracting blues. Why are trackers going to be inclined to 'verify' a nosy neighbor claim? Even if Mattchew is scum, he just needs to do something and his claim is still up in the air. Why is Forumite trying to manipulate our blues? There's also the point about lying as a blue. How about lying in general to the town? There isn't any value in this statement. Town is supposedly harmed because our Trackers have to make sure Mattchew is really visiting random people with no effect. And then they get a confirmed townie out of the exchange. Wait, how does that hurt us again?
Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. Dat Over-reaction: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:42 slOosh wrote: Cool ... you wanna talk about something else? Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? And then of course slo0sh himself points out: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:17 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Let me rephrase: What is your problem with Toades play in this game? You were reacting very strongly to a random vote coming right at the beginning of the game. I reacted strongly because there was no grounds for the vote / read. I still have a problem with the fact that he keeps emphasizing the uselessness of the post (it isn't, because as clearly seen that people can miss setup information), which I take as soft discrediting of my posts in general. I'm not claiming my opening post is super useful, but to call it useless is unwarranted. That said I can see this coming from a town perspective, so my problem with his play thus far is a matter of taste rather than alignment. On September 04 2012 10:04 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 04 2012 09:55 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 09:05 Forumite wrote:Finished with page 12. On September 04 2012 08:01 slOosh wrote:On September 04 2012 07:58 Toadesstern wrote:On September 04 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Hapa, what is your idea of a town circle and how does it help us find / lynch / kill scum?
Toad - How is that useless stuff that has nothing to do with the game? The setup changed and maybe people haven't read the updates. I've asked you once and I'll do it again, what else do you want to talk about? I don't know what you want to talk about. I'm talking about your useless post being useless. Well BlackMamba's recent post just shows that people can miss information. My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not. Do you think I'm scum by my first post? What is your problem with Toades? Do you think he´s deliberately disruptive? What makes you think I think that? Um... this: " My post has already proven itself useful, and your opening post which tries to discredit mine has not" You are saying that he tries to discredit you ---> you think he tried to discredit you ---> if he tried to discredit you, you are saying he wanted to do this and is being deliberately disruptive. Why not just straight answer the question without adding another one? There is a difference in someone discrediting me and someone being deliberately disruptive. Forumite phrased the question in a way that seemingly put words in my mouth as I said the former but not the latter (or never intended to so I checked with my question). Specifically the last paragraph is what I want noted. Then again, slo0sh addressed the 'strong reaction' in the first part of that quote, but I don't think slo0sh reacted 'strongly' at all. Forumite is just stirring the pot here and not really being helpful to me. He looks like he's pushing discussion, but slo0sh was taking care of that all on his own. We didn't need Forumite to prompt him.
I see a lot of roundabout advice from Forumite on why claiming self-aware miller is terrible and how our blues are screwed for it. But nowhere does he tell us that Mattchew is scummy, just that he'll still be suspicious no matter what. His prodding at slo0sh dead-ended pretty quickly and he's ducked out of the thread after making this post: Show nested quote +On September 04 2012 10:01 Forumite wrote:On September 04 2012 10:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Hello folks ^^ I would appreciate it if someone could clear some things up, since I've never played in this setup yet. Right now I've noticed this new mechanic: visiting someone. A nosy neighbor will randomly visit someone. This will be caught up by the town watcher and/or tracker. Now what I don't understand: if a medic saves someone, or if a roleblocker blocks some, or if a Suicide Bomber plants a bomb somewhere, or if a goon tks someone, will they also "visit" this person? Yes, all nightactions, including mafia nightkills, can be detected by watchers and trackers. I´ve never seen you before. Have you been on TL-mafia long? What do you think about the game so far? I don't think his posts have contributed anything to getting scum lynched, and I think it is because Forumite is scum. ##Vote: Forumite+ Show Spoiler +Pregame answer for Rewok, I got curious when going through Forumite's filter: On September 03 2012 01:49 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 00:51 Rewok wrote: There's a word for arguing for arguments sake but I can't remember it. Anybody want to help me out? No there isn't! + Show Spoiler + Eristic I was not convinced by BC's argument of "You're Lying, You're Scum" and didn't piece together the fact that I would need to PM the mods to confirm the miller self-awareness debacle. That was really stupid on my part but thankfully Palmar dealt with it for us. The thread was in a shitty place and I wanted to focus on something other than just calling people liars. I wasn't necessarily attacking BC, I just wanted him to stop strong-arming the thread and actually put together a coherent thought towards HOW he knew he was right. His argument to me was " I'm right, suck it bitch" and I found that infuriating. (I completely understand why he did it after the fact, fear of modkillage and whatnot). In an effort to get away from that, I made a case on someone I found scummy and put it forth to try to get some other discussion going. Once Palmar confirmed Mattchew's lie, I was 100% behind his lynch and didn't want to waste time being questioned about why. Nor did anyone bring it up, as you pointed out. The reason why I didn't vote for forumite is...I forgot about the voting thread; Whoops? The reason I pointed out the fact I didn't vote for forumite is...I didn't vote for forumite and wanted to be as transparent as possible about what I'd done. I didn't mean to 'fakevote' but it happened and I wanted to make it clear what my intentions were, so I explicitly unvoted Forumite in order to Vote Mattchew. In regards to point (2) I don't seem happy? What the fuck is this statement? How do you determine happiness based on my voteswitch to a confirmed liar? Why should I have to explain the reasoning when its in the thread for the past however many pages ever since BC knew Mattchew was lying. If anything, this would have been me HARD bussing Matt, not reluctantly as you've claimed stated. I will concede that the "provider of information" posts are scummy. It also turns out I -(think)- I was wrong in my discussion with BC(2), I'm sure that's going to make me scum for pushing misinformation. My response to Shady(1) especially looks bad given the length of my filter. Not much I can do to change that now. The waffley statement was me asserting that while I don't think Miltonkram was 'lying' (which you snipped out of the quote btw), I still think he was scummy because his case was complete shite relative to the pace of the thread when he made it. Ergo I think Milton is scum. Is that less waffley?
Why does Matt flipping red imply that I'm red as well? Why can't I be continuing to hunt scum? I still think Forumite is scum. My case was not an effort to divert the thread, it was an attempt to focus it. I wasn't around to do so, and feel free to call me scum for not following through before, but wait and see, you'll run out of steam on that front in a moment. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der I suppose I'm glad you dont think I'm dumb, but can you elaborate on the part where I took random lynching too seriously? Also I presume I'm not allowed to play the guess my alignment game. On January 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:20 wherebugsgo wrote: also lol @ hopeless actively lurking.
He said nothing for 3 hours and had no comments on the major goings-on but as soon as I make a case on him he shows up.
I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 04:17 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 05 2013 04:09 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube tube is a vigi shot No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake how do you feel about BC, dear? Apologies if you've already answered this before. Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler +On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:26 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 04 2013 02:15 yamato77 wrote:On January 04 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 04 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote: [quote] Half-baked because he includes zero reasoning and zero other things besides names of people.
Pretty useless IMO. I think you're taking it a little too seriously. And talking about random names will just clutter up this thread even more. If those are his honest scum reads I think the guy is full of shit and totally worthless to town, as he has been basically the whole game so far. That's my point. A trolling chez is typically more useful then 90% of the players in a game. You may not like that answer or agree with it but it is straight up fact. I've never played with him before so I have no idea if this is the case or not. However, this logic is used to defend a lot of veteran players on Day 1, so I don't think it particularly useful to say at the moment. eh? You will find that logic should be shot and burned for all players who are not notoriously trollish regardless of alignment of vet players. IE chez or bill murray. Anyone else trying to pull off the "hes trolling day 1 its fine" argument is retarded. Day 1 people begin the trend of how they will play in a game typically. A day 1 troll is likely going to be a troll all game. The only difference is if they have random insight in their posts. So far only chez's rantings are even remotely interesting / relevant from the trolls. What has he said that has been worthwhile so far? Go read his filter. Im not your translator and hes being insanely direct for his normal insanity. He clearly has posted his reads and even called people out. Find out which ones and *gasp* you might realize his posts do actually contain content. I know who he thinks is suspicious but I have no idea why he thinks that or how he thinks what he's doing is helping town lynch those people. It looks like finger pointing masked by a roleplay facade. But fine, I'll give him time because I have reads that lead me elsewhere. You vouching for him is enough to make me reconsider my position at the moment. Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler On January 05 2013 07:37 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 05 2013 07:25 Foolishness wrote:On January 05 2013 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I am actually seriously confused atm.
The BC day claim thing didn't make any sense Have you read the Brown One's filter? yes, where are you going with this? Have you read mine? Thoughts on Hopeless? Where have you been? I missed you. Are you ever going to answer me?
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On January 05 2013 21:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 18:37 Lazermonkey wrote: So I woke up...
Marv may very well be scum after all. Two slow alignment cops seems quite unlikely, espesially given that we had a day cop as well.
I actually like his case on MZ tho. Especially the points regarding Tunkeg. But I'm puzzled. I'm not keen at lynching him at all tomorrow because most likely both of them are NOT scum. And I'm more suspicious of Marv.
A vigi shot on tube is bad also imo. The vigi(s), if there are any, should be aiming for the most suspicous person. Not a retarded lurker
You better explain all of this drivel. You like my case, but MZ is most likely not scum? Why? Seriously, explain yourself. Why is a vig shot on tube bad? Have you even read the thread this night time? Did you see the comparison filters that Foolish/I put forward? How on earth is he a bad shot in light of that? I don't see how its strange.
My thought process 1.) I think your are quite suspicious 2.) I think you have some good points about MZ, making me somewhat suspicious of him as well. 3.) You both are probebly both not scum 4.) I find you more suspicous than MZ 5.) Thus I don't think it's very likely that MZ is scum 6.) If you actually are town, then I'm truly suspicous of MZ once again.
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On January 05 2013 21:33 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 18:37 Lazermonkey wrote: Marv may very well be scum after all. Two slow alignment cops seems quite unlikely, espesially given that we had a day cop as well.
I actually like his case on MZ tho. Especially the points regarding Tunkeg. But I'm puzzled. I'm not keen at lynching him at all tomorrow because most likely both of them are NOT scum. And I'm more suspicious of Marv.
A vigi shot on tube is bad also imo. The vigi(s), if there are any, should be aiming for the most suspicous person. Not a retarded lurker
The case on Hopeless ...(tldr) Hey Lazer you are wishy washing hard on Marv. You will or will not want to lynch marv tomorrow? Also I think you are scum esp that middle part. Can you clarify what you meant there, making clearer who you think is most likely town. * Also I have irrefutable evidence that marv is scum. I will post this at work later. Atm I want to lynch Hopeless. There are some more people who I am mildly suspicious of but haven't looked to much into yet to really determine if I want to lynch them as well. Long story short: I am not going to cry if we lynch Marv tomorrow but I think there are at least one better alternative.
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On January 05 2013 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Lazer, you need to give a really good answer on why I am more suspicious than MZ, given our relative contributions this game. My case on MZ alone is already more contributions than MZ.
Please do so about now. Read Palmars filter. You shall find the answer!
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On January 05 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer why can't MZ and marv not both be scum at the same time in your eyes? They can. But I don't find it very likely.
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On January 05 2013 22:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Lazer, you need to give a really good answer on why I am more suspicious than MZ, given our relative contributions this game. My case on MZ alone is already more contributions than MZ.
Please do so about now. Read Palmars filter. You shall find the answer! no, that's not good enough. YOU need to give a really good reason why I am more suspicious than MZ this game. Look at our relative contributions, look at our relative investment. Stop jerking your puny little dick in Palmar's direction because you're too fucking pathetic to think for yourself. I don't see how it's a problem. Another thing that makes me doubt you is the fact that already 2 DTs have flipped, one was day slow DT...
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On January 05 2013 22:14 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer why can't MZ and marv not both be scum at the same time in your eyes? They can. But I don't find it very likely. That's not not not what I asked. I'm asking WHY it's not very likely in your eyes Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely.
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On January 05 2013 22:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:14 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:12 marvellosity wrote:On January 05 2013 22:10 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Lazer, you need to give a really good answer on why I am more suspicious than MZ, given our relative contributions this game. My case on MZ alone is already more contributions than MZ.
Please do so about now. Read Palmars filter. You shall find the answer! no, that's not good enough. YOU need to give a really good reason why I am more suspicious than MZ this game. Look at our relative contributions, look at our relative investment. Stop jerking your puny little dick in Palmar's direction because you're too fucking pathetic to think for yourself. I don't see how it's a problem. Another thing that makes me doubt you is the fact that already 2 DTs have flipped, one was day slow DT... It's a problem because when morons like you who refuse to think themselves sheep someone and they're wrong, that means all of a sudden a third of town is voting for someone because they can't utilise their own brains. Please use yours. You just made a pretty decent case on Hopeless, so now do your own work on me. I don't see how me repeating like 90% of Palmar's case would help us really.
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On January 05 2013 22:16 thrawn2112 wrote: hey lazer what do you think of debears?
bonus question: say hypothetically (or not?) you and debears are scum. which of your other scumbuds do you two disagree with the most over what lynches to push? I haven't looked into him TBH.
And wtf is up with your bonus question? How is it even relevant?
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On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer why can't MZ and marv not both be scum at the same time in your eyes? They can. But I don't find it very likely. That's not not not what I asked. I'm asking WHY it's not very likely in your eyes Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely. Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing.
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Okay Marv, here is a short summary:
few posts early on with significance Lack of scum hunting early on You push Adam for (IMO) quite weak reasons Two DTs flip after Lynch.
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EBWOP: ow, your ignoring me. Nvm then...
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On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer why can't MZ and marv not both be scum at the same time in your eyes? They can. But I don't find it very likely. That's not not not what I asked. I'm asking WHY it's not very likely in your eyes Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely. Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing. You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing?
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On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer why can't MZ and marv not both be scum at the same time in your eyes? They can. But I don't find it very likely. That's not not not what I asked. I'm asking WHY it's not very likely in your eyes Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely. Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing. You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing? HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum.
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EBWOP: and in case you didn't notice, Marv was pushing MZ.
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Thus there is a chance for both of them to be scum like I said.
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On January 05 2013 22:38 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:34 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:22 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:19 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:17 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 22:14 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 05 2013 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote: [quote]They can. But I don't find it very likely.
That's not not not what I asked. I'm asking WHY it's not very likely in your eyes Well I don't think scum Marv would attack MZ in the position he is in. There are several people who have posted bad up untill this point so why chose your own team mate. Yes, he COULD be bussing, but I don't think it's likely. Have you seen marv play scum? Last game he bussed adam because he didn't expect him to get lynched, but he never flinched in the thread even as he was convincing everyone to kill his teammate day 1. Your reasoning is bad. I don't see how my reasoning is bad. Like I said myself it is possible for Marv to be bussing but he doesn't have to. And I think it's more likely tahn not that he is not. Your argument is terribad. Just because Marv bussed one in one game doesn't make it MORE likely that he is bussing than not bussing. You keep saying you "think" things without explaining why. Why do you think it's so unlikely for a scum marv to be bussing a teammate who he knows won't be lynched today, Everytime you have an answer and the answer includes "I think", try asking "why do I think that" and if that answer includes "I think" do it again. repeat this process until you reach facts or an opinion that makes bloody sense. Clarity wtf is wrong with you? So how do you KNOW that Marv is bussing? HOW DO YOU EVEN FUCKCCKCCKCKCKCKC You say it's unlikely for both to be scum, I ask you why it's unlikely for a scum marv to bus a scum MZ. It's called a hypothetical, this isn't hard In my personal experience, and I am sure you also feel this way, scum is more inclined to push townies than scum. This is not true. I don't think it's true for marv because he has to deliver, regardless of his alignment, and it's definitively not true for kush. I also like to bus by the way If this is true than I will reconsider. But the question is: is it true?
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On January 05 2013 22:40 Vivax wrote: I'm not lynching hopeless any time soon. That might be subject to change.
Marv, you should count until 10, then come back, and read the new 10 pages of game that popped out.
We are going to crush the scum hiding behind Palmars huge huge huge shadow. Why not kill hopeless? He is scum you know!
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sooo, dudes. What do you think of Hopeless? Have you read my case? WBGs cas?
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On January 05 2013 23:19 Clarity_nl wrote: I think the case itself isn't bad, but I don't believe hopeless is scum right now. Policy talk is kind of his thing, as either alignment. Hopeless has this nasty habit as town to not scumhunt, sometimes. Him switching votes like 4x close to deadline makes me think he's town. Well, I disagree but OK.
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On January 05 2013 23:23 Clarity_nl wrote: What do you think of Sentinel and my case on him, Lazer? Hmmm, I think you are grasping at straws a bit. Attacking the ways he is expressing himself and what not. alot of it comes down to WIFOM. Like your using this as a argument for him being scum: Let's start with the very first sentence: Show nested quote +Good. Nobody has missed me. I wish I was a scum, I could lurk all the way to morning or even the deadline. "lol you guys I wish I was scum, because if I was scum I would continue lurking, therefore this statement is me implying I'm town" Implying that you are town is a scummy thing to do, town have no need for it, they ARE town, they don't have to imply it. But more telling than that is that Sentinel betrays his own priorities, namely that while reading through the thread the first thing he looks for is if anyone is suspicious of him. Town look for scum, and if they see a case on themselves then they might react, they don't react to the fact that there is no case on them. Though I think that its entirely possible that he is just a lazy townie and what not. His play isn't really pro-town but he is not playing a very good scum game either. I'm not keen on lynching him tomrrow really. He is null for me.
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On January 05 2013 23:51 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 23:43 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 05 2013 23:23 Clarity_nl wrote: What do you think of Sentinel and my case on him, Lazer? Hmmm, I think you are grasping at straws a bit. Attacking the ways he is expressing himself and what not. alot of it comes down to WIFOM. Like your using this as a argument for him being scum: Let's start with the very first sentence: Good. Nobody has missed me. I wish I was a scum, I could lurk all the way to morning or even the deadline. "lol you guys I wish I was scum, because if I was scum I would continue lurking, therefore this statement is me implying I'm town" Implying that you are town is a scummy thing to do, town have no need for it, they ARE town, they don't have to imply it. But more telling than that is that Sentinel betrays his own priorities, namely that while reading through the thread the first thing he looks for is if anyone is suspicious of him. Town look for scum, and if they see a case on themselves then they might react, they don't react to the fact that there is no case on them. Though I think that its entirely possible that he is just a lazy townie and what not. His play isn't really pro-town but he is not playing a very good scum game either. I'm not keen on lynching him tomrrow really. He is null for me. It shows a scum mindset. As town you might care about not getting lynched, but until that point you don't care what people think of you that much. As scum you care a helluva lot more, and him lurking and then going "wtf I'm not under suspicion?" is total scum mindset. Implying you are town is on the list of top 10 things scum like to do. If he was a lazy townie then he wouldn't suddenly be surprised that no one finds him suspicious. if he was a lazy townie then he wouldn't make a promise to go super scumhunting and then not follow through. That's scum trying to force himself to contribute but not being able to, because it's hard to scumhunt when you're scum. He didn't have the balls to call me scum, he never followed up on reading Hero Mini, and even his vote on Palmar was because he was scum, it was because he hadn't posted the logs I think its quite obvious that he is joking in the post. And that is what I mean with WIFOM in your case. Either he is serious in which case you are right or he is joking. So it comes down to WIFOM. For example did both grush and VE claim town the first page, would you call them scum for that?
Also, the fact that he lied(didn't check hero, or at least didn't say so + never called you scum) is bad play regardless of whether he is scum or town so I don't think it's a very good tell at all.
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Anyway, I'm afk for some hours tho. Hopefully back before deadline tho not certain.
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On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, okay, my bad.
Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases? Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now. You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ...
Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically.
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btw, I think debears is town. His logic is actually really good IMO.
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On January 06 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, okay, my bad.
Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases? Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now. You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ... Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically. Oh, I'm not worried about myself dieing to anything but a vig. However, I seem to be the most likely candidate now that marv is dead and gone. I want this issue fresh when people come back to it so there is no excuse for them to neglect to comment on your/wbg's case. How can you guys not see Hopeless as scum? He claims that he is the MOST likely lynch target for tomorrow despite almost everyone who commented on it dissmisses it as''not so scummy''? Can you really see a town motivation for this?
Also, your reasoning is crap once again.
I'm afk for a while.
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On January 06 2013 04:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer, reading comprehension, acquire some wait, what did I miss?
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On January 06 2013 04:57 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:55 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 04:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer, reading comprehension, acquire some wait, what did I miss? The sentence before the one you enlarged clearly states he's not afraid to die except from a vigi shot. It's not my point. He said he was the BIGGEST lynch canidate for tomorrow. Why would someone of town say something like this...? Especially since its quite clear to anyone reading the thread that he in fact is NOT the biggest canidate right now. Scum is afraid to die you know. Town is not.
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On January 06 2013 04:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 04:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 06 2013 04:14 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 01:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 06 2013 01:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Eh, okay, my bad.
Hopeless do you have some thoughts on the presented cases? Besides that its wrong? I'll happily address it during the day, assuming I haven't been vigged down. I think waiting until then will be more productive overall because people won't fear giving an opinion as much. I'll say that I think Lazer is town and bugs is scum for right now. You know, every time I see you post, I just want to kill you even harder -.- ... Can you give a SOLID reason to why you shouldn't adress the case right now? Why does it matter for YOU if other players fear giving an opinion? I hope you realise that the odds of you dying tonight from scum is non existant basically. Oh, I'm not worried about myself dieing to anything but a vig. However, I seem to be the most likely candidate now that marv is dead and gone. I want this issue fresh when people come back to it so there is no excuse for them to neglect to comment on your/wbg's case. How can you guys not see Hopeless as scum? He claims that he is the MOST likely lynch target for tomorrow despite almost everyone who commented on it dissmisses it as ''not so scummy''? Can you really see a town motivation for this? Also, your reasoning is crap once again. I'm afk for a while. I'm sorry, should I have qualified with "one of..."? There are cases on MZ, Sentinel, 2 cases on me, Lamp's list of blurbs and general feeling behind lynching CC and shooting tube. In addition there's a load of waffle about whether Palmar being wrong makes him scum (it makes him scum- my) and some general shitflinging to no avail. Discussing ME and the cases against me is in my opinion a good thing for town, and since the thread generally dies at night (in addition to it being a weekend) I'd rather wait until Day in order to do it. Like you said, I`m not going to die, so what`s the hurry? Sure, you are going to live till tomorrow. But why WOULDN'T you post your response now? The faster you post the more time we have to discuss the matter, which surely you would want if you were town. But your not. I'm done with you. I don't bother to convince scum that he is scum.
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It's cool Clarity. Want to lynch hopeless now? ; )))
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What happends if a mason get RBed? Will he be able to mason someone?
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On January 06 2013 05:54 Palmar wrote: I can't be around at daystart
If I get shot don't lynch marv. I absolutely despise the ragequit thing, but I don't think he's an asshole so I guess he's town.
Lol, you are funny : D
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Sooo
I'll just list reads and not much of explanation because I am lazy. I will most likely not get killed tonight anyway so I'll be able to evaluate tomorrow anyway.
Iamp should probebly get shoot by scum, sooner or later, assuming he is town. He claimed to only be 1-shot mason but could very well be lying trying to live longer and what not. I guess scum could be afraid for protection roles and w/e but should he be left at end game we should probebly lynch him almost no matter what tbh. With that being said, Iamb is slightly town for now. If there are 3 nks tonight, obviously scratch everything I said.
Palmar town
MZ slight scum
Clarity very slight town
grush and kush are both very slight town reads to me for making more sense than I expected them to.
debears slight town.
Hopeless super scum
Yamato sliiiight town
thrawn sliiight town for playing insanely wierd. In a not scummy way.
WBG slight town for pushing Hopeless( this is all assuming Hopeless is scum. Which he mooost likely is)
Everything else is quite null.
town is more townie than slight town which is more townie than sliiight town
: )
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On January 06 2013 07:01 HiroPro wrote: Day vigi shots will be happening soon i expect. Yhea, must be the case.
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On January 06 2013 07:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Except they'd be outing themselves as fucking scum retards.
Let me think How?
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On January 06 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: No, I'm retarded. The bombs disappear after the night.
Okay, then.
##Vote: Meapak Ziphh That's not how you vote for Hopeless. Look here!
##Vote: hopeless1der
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On January 06 2013 07:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oh so it's just an anti-vig measure.
I think DV shouldn't be too big of an issue balance-wise. All they are doing is moving up the night to a time of their choosing. This means people should be outing their reads ASAP. We wouldn't want anyone to die without saying important stuff.
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Keir and Iamp are 99% town at this point, which is good.
Keir and Iamp, I think both of you are likely dayvig targets given that nobody else claims anything. You should try to hand out your reads ASAP.
CC just looks more and more like a lazy townie to me I am not comfortable at all in lynching the guy, especially because his town meta is to be lazy.
On January 06 2013 09:34 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote:On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote: With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now. I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...
I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution. I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all. Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed. The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town. That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well. But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline. So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet? Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves. 1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF). 2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1. Initially I thought something along those lines, ie, we must be on the wrong track because otherwise scum wouldn't use Dayvigs, although I now think this is the wrong mentality. Scum only need to have 2 players that are not under heavy suspicion to deliver day vig shots.
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On January 06 2013 20:16 yamato77 wrote: I called the dayvig thing strong for mafia before the game and no one listened to me.
I guess everyone thought they had to type in the thread but that ability seemed really strong to me. They give up a KP the night before, which could be blocked, for an UNBLOCKABLE KP the next day to use at any time.
Super strong. Now is not the time for fear, that comes later.
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Back to tunneling Hopeless : )
I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.
Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.
With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )
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On January 06 2013 21:30 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 21:00 Lazermonkey wrote: Back to tunneling Hopeless : )
I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.
Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.
With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : ) You basically just said that his meta doesn't make him scum because it can be similar to his town play, but your argument for him being scum is directly tied to his meta. I'm not saying he can't be scum, he definitely could be, but you're not going to convince people by repeating the fact that "he hasn't scumhunted" is your only argument, which can be explained away by meta. The fact that he hasn't been scum hunting is not the only reason I'm calling him scum. His super defensive tone and the way he tries to set up wagons are also major parts of the case.
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On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.
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EBWOP: so its basically a null tell really.
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On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot. Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null. Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.
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On January 06 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 22:30 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective? I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot. Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null. Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town. This argument implies hopeless plays a really strong game, which you have shown he has not. Prome: Yeah he's scum, but it wasn't obvious to me even after bc and marv flips. Please realize you haven't even read the damn game yet. Maybe simplifying it like that is good but I'm at a point in the game where stuff has baggage Well, I don't agree with this but w/e.
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Also, regarding Palmar. I'm not super familiar with his play but is he really so good as town that if he pushes 3 townies he is auto scum? Could he not just have been wrong?
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Yhea, it was WBG Prom. You kinda ninja answered me as well Lol.
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This meta case on CC is quite crappy imo. Sure it doesn't match his town meta at all, I give you that. But how does it make him scum? You haven't compared the meta to his (only) scum game. I and find some quite big diferences in that as well. While he indeed isn't as posty as in his other games, its still an indication of how he plays and you can clearly see that he is acting like he is scum hunting very hard in that game in contrary to this one when he basically says: "yhea, haven't read, don't care".
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discussion is good but the fact that half the thread is jumping on the CC wagon is alarming.
Supersoft, thoughts on CC?
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On January 07 2013 19:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Lazer, more telling I feel is that Cheese shows more interest in the game with no deadline than this one. What do you mean...?
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On January 07 2013 19:22 Clarity_nl wrote: He's also in another game (British) and he shows more interest in that. I'm not sure I see that as alignment indicative TBH. But it sure isn't helping us.
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On January 07 2013 19:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What are all your thoughts on Promethelax? I originally had a town read on him (tunkeg). I didn't really notice anything special about Prom when reading the thread, however, when I'm reading his filter I understand why. No scum hunting and he hasn't really taken a stance anywhere what so ever. And he has been in the game for almost 72 hours so there is no reason to doubt him for replacing into the game. He may very well be scum actually.
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On January 07 2013 19:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 19:31 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 07 2013 19:22 Clarity_nl wrote: He's also in another game (British) and he shows more interest in that. I'm not sure I see that as alignment indicative TBH. But it sure isn't helping us. It shows he's not invested in this game which IS alignment indicative. No, it just means that he is either lazy or scum. He may be both.
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How do you feel about CC, Palmar?
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On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote:Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track Show nested quote + BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey
Marvellosity (12) Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57
hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo
Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler
tube(1) Vivax
wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58
Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa-
Day ends in 15 minutes.
What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv This is fishy... On January 05 2013 02:31 debears wrote: ##votr marv
Follow palmar the wise On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote: this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>? These are the ONLY two posts discussing the Marv-BC voting. Look through debears filter. To me, he seems to be one of the most uninterested players when it came down to the lynch. Playing the good 'ol I-pointed-out-the-flaws-in-my-own-gameplay-and-thus-cannot-be-scum card?
Debears just rose on my scum-o-meter.
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Vivax is sooo town in my book now.
The case itself seems good and I am willing to sheep it tomrrow foh sho. Also, I have a hard time to see scum backing off and admitting that one of the points in the case was flawed the way Vivax did here.
On January 08 2013 01:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote: Why do you think point 3 is scummy? Thinking about it, you're right, it's actually more in the WIFOM category since we can't tell if intended or not, but I see it as belonging to the category of posts he's been making about votes, setup, policy. Fluff, that'd be, it fits so well in there it caught my attention.
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Actually, if there are any vigis left, then I think we should let them decide for themselves who they want to shoot. Mad hatters are really strong if there are only a few possible vigi targets. Really, just shoot into the group of people who you think are up for lynch D3.
With that being said, I don't think there are any vigis left. The most standard play from vigis is to shoot N1.
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On January 08 2013 05:21 Promethelax wrote: Why are we talking about town reads?
Stop it. Agree with his case or disagree with it. Don't tell me how town the guy is who made the case. Lewut? Did you even read my post?
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On January 08 2013 05:33 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 06 2013 03:47 debears wrote:Guys, with the thread as shitty as it is right now, I would like to propose a plan: Everyone, shut up, and do voting analysis with the info on the marv and BC flips. Let's make night all about voting analysis, and get on track BloodyC0bbler (13) marvellosity Clarity_nl Hopeless1der HiroPro froggynoddy [UoN]Sentinel iamperfection thrawn2112 VisceraEyes Djodref Promethelax Keirathi Lazermonkey
Marvellosity (12) Palmar supersoft kushm4sta Toadesstern debears Mr. Cheesecake tube Meapak_Ziphh Chezinu yamato77 Foolishness grush57
hopeless1der (1) wherebugsgo
Palmar (1) BloodyC0bbler
tube(1) Vivax
wherebugsgo (1) Jackal58
Haven't yet voted (1) Eywa-
Day ends in 15 minutes.
What do we know about the day 1 lynch candidates? They were both town. It is way more likely scum didn't give a fuck where their votes were. We need to look for people who didn't really give a shit where their votes were, especially concerning BC and marv This is fishy... On January 05 2013 02:31 debears wrote: ##votr marv
Follow palmar the wise On January 06 2013 03:16 debears wrote:On January 05 2013 22:06 marvellosity wrote: this game has led to a certain unavoidable snippiness level, by dint of sheer stupidity and bigheadedness (Palmar) and sheeping of said stupidity and bigheadedness (lots of town) Marv how do you know it's town sheeping palmar and not scum>? These are the ONLY two posts discussing the Marv-BC voting. Look through debears filter. To me, he seems to be one of the most uninterested players when it came down to the lynch. Playing the good 'ol I-pointed-out-the-flaws-in-my-own-gameplay-and-thus-cannot-be-scum card? Debears just rose on my scum-o-meter. Look at Hiro's read on me. Look at Laser's post Does anyone find that they have exactly the same read troubling in terms of the BC-marv thing? Especially when Hiro nor Lazer posted anything about this til very recently? And your point is?
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On January 08 2013 05:40 Promethelax wrote: Is it not super obvious? his point is that you are a scum team. Hi, I didn't know you were called debears! Good to meet you sir?
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How is Prom town Hiro? He hasn't done shit this game but calling everyone retarded for no reason.
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On January 08 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote: When you ask a stupid and obvious question you aren't asking for a reaction from the guy you are talking to. You are asking to have asked.
Hey Dibbers, why is Vivax scum? What is it he is trying to accomplish with his case on you? Aren't there easier lynches for him to get (in this hypothetical situation with scum him and town you) Why would he choose you? Its fucking insane that you jump one me and tell me that its something obvious when YOUR interpretation of it is in fact not what he meant(he said I was town...). You see, it might not have been so obvious after all?
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On January 08 2013 05:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:45 Lazermonkey wrote: How is Prom town Hiro? He hasn't done shit this game but calling everyone retarded for no reason. This. I've still got him labelled as scum because ever since I called him out he hasn't made a concrete case on anyone. Maybe one paragraph in any direction and nothing to say "this person is 100% scum and you should all lynch him at your earliest convenience" If I had a gun to my head right now and was told to pick three lynch targets I would get Jackal, Prom and probably Palmar since in the end everyone he builds a case against flips blue.Time to get my spreadsheet going. Even if Palmar is scum, there would be no way for him to know that they are blue. they couldn't have used day cop because of KP limit.
TBH, I think its crazy that people are willing to lynch Palmar just because he was pushing BC and Marv. Unless someone actually shows me that Palmar have a 100% scum hit ratio as town, I will treat this ''Palmar is never wrong as town, thus he is scum'' as total BS. 25/30 players in the game did vote for BC or Palmar and a handfull of those thought both were scum. Yet you only call Palmar scum...
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On January 08 2013 06:29 yamato77 wrote: His recent list of reads somehow includes me.
The next time I get included in a scum read list with zero justification I am lynching that person. Did he not say you were town Lol?
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On January 08 2013 06:19 debears wrote: So, to rehash why Vivax may be scum in short terms
1) his unexplained town read of tun/prom 2) Taking my quotes out of context 3) misrepresenting me with those quotes 4) Being unreasonable Point 2 and 3 are not alignment indicative. Point 4 is just... Lol. Point 1 is plain wrong btw. The Tunkeg wagon is stupid. You should read him in Hero Mini Mafia, he got mislynched as veteran, dropping a retarded battle poem before his death. I highly doubt a mafia Tunkeg would be THIS identical to his town meta in another game.
The analogies live up again. He comes in with a huge, scummy post of rather summarizing nature, to start fighting against everyone and anyone finding him scummy for it, just to disappear again when shit hits the fan. Shortly before lynch he comes in with some martyr post, trying to look epic while being lynched and fed to the pigs for being a dicks.
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On January 08 2013 06:37 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 08 2013 06:19 debears wrote: So, to rehash why Vivax may be scum in short terms
1) his unexplained town read of tun/prom 2) Taking my quotes out of context 3) misrepresenting me with those quotes 4) Being unreasonable Point 2 and 3 are not alignment indicative. Point 4 is just... Lol. Point 1 is plain wrong btw. The Tunkeg wagon is stupid. You should read him in Hero Mini Mafia, he got mislynched as veteran, dropping a retarded battle poem before his death. I highly doubt a mafia Tunkeg would be THIS identical to his town meta in another game.
The analogies live up again. He comes in with a huge, scummy post of rather summarizing nature, to start fighting against everyone and anyone finding him scummy for it, just to disappear again when shit hits the fan. Shortly before lynch he comes in with some martyr post, trying to look epic while being lynched and fed to the pigs for being a dicks. Saying someone is town because they look scummy is a fucking retarded defense and reasoning for a strong townread It might be the case but. 1. You claimed there was no reason for him to have said that Tunkeg was town when it is in fact not true. 2. He may be retarded : ). And that is not alignment indicative.
I obviously cannot speak for Vivax on this. I just find your reasons for thinking he is scum is flawed.
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On January 08 2013 06:48 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 06:45 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 08 2013 06:37 debears wrote:On January 08 2013 06:36 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 08 2013 06:19 debears wrote: So, to rehash why Vivax may be scum in short terms
1) his unexplained town read of tun/prom 2) Taking my quotes out of context 3) misrepresenting me with those quotes 4) Being unreasonable Point 2 and 3 are not alignment indicative. Point 4 is just... Lol. Point 1 is plain wrong btw. The Tunkeg wagon is stupid. You should read him in Hero Mini Mafia, he got mislynched as veteran, dropping a retarded battle poem before his death. I highly doubt a mafia Tunkeg would be THIS identical to his town meta in another game.
The analogies live up again. He comes in with a huge, scummy post of rather summarizing nature, to start fighting against everyone and anyone finding him scummy for it, just to disappear again when shit hits the fan. Shortly before lynch he comes in with some martyr post, trying to look epic while being lynched and fed to the pigs for being a dicks. Saying someone is town because they look scummy is a fucking retarded defense and reasoning for a strong townread It might be the case but. 1. You claimed there was no reason for him to have said that Tunkeg was town when it is in fact not true. 2. He may be retarded : ). And that is not alignment indicative. I obviously cannot speak for Vivax on this. I just find your reasons for thinking he is scum is flawed. That is not a reason in my book. His play is too bad to be town WORST REASON EVER LOL
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On January 08 2013 06:39 debears wrote: Laser read the big wall of text I wrote and show me how he is reasonable
Taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting someone with them is more likely scum than town, since if you assume they are town, you assume that person is just flat fucking bad There are bad parts of the case. But you basically haven't been scum hunting much at all. You don't really push your suspects hard. You seemed very uninterested in the lynch, which evev according to yourself is a scum trait.
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On January 08 2013 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was masoned to foolishness for a day although my guess is intelligent people already knew that. You'll get logs after I discuss things with supersoft. Now this is interesting...
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On January 08 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 07:15 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 08 2013 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I was masoned to foolishness for a day although my guess is intelligent people already knew that. You'll get logs after I discuss things with supersoft. Now this is interesting... How is it going in your lodge, taking the world over soon? What do you mean?
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Debears of the brown
I have come to end you
Lazermonkey of the pink
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Why does he need to be so fast with the logs? As long as they are out mid D3 I'm cool with it. He is obviously not getting shoot tonight... Also, there may be lots of town reads in his foolish logs and thus he doesn't want to out them this early?
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On January 08 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: Because IF you are town then scum know you're telling the truth and YOU should be confident that the logs show you are town, yet you still think/say you're a mislynch waiting to happen? Don't be stupid yo. They'd have to shoot Foolis,Mz and supersoft to do so. And that would just be bad.
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On January 08 2013 20:43 Clarity_nl wrote: They wouldn't have to do that at all, what are you even talking about. Foolish got the logs as well and I get the impression that he sent the logs to supersoft as well. So in order to prevent the logs from getting out, yes the have to shot them all.
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On January 08 2013 21:00 Clarity_nl wrote: If you think I'm saying he'd get shot to prevent the logs from coming out you are sorely mistaken. I'm commenting on the fact that MZ has these logs and yet he's still talking about himself as someone who won't get shot at night 100% and an easy mislynch. It doesn't fit. I don't get it. Him outing the logs will not confirm him as town in anyway, so why is he not an easy misslynch tomorrow?
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EBWOP: if he is town, that is.
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No, as I said earlier, I think there are several legit reasons for him not to be outing the logs right now.
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Vivax, don't waste your time trying to convince scum that he is scum.
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I don't excpect to be shot today but w/e. I don't care about giving too long explanations for this one as I will have 48 hours tomrrow to do so.
Debears-scum Hopeless-scum
Iamp-He is by no means confirmed town like some players think, however his play(which is what we should judge players by) looks town to me. MZ-I'd say town on him. Doesn't make alot of sense for scum to be fake claiming, they would have to sacrifice sooo much KP. And besides, why chose MZ of all players? I also think the fact that he DIDN'T hand out the logs is a town tell actually. I think scum would be much more inclined to hand out the logs in a pressured position like he was in. Clarity-most likely town. While I disagree with alot of what he says, the fact that he is so willing to take a discussion is very telling imo. Also:On January 03 2013 20:53 Clarity_nl wrote: ##Vote Jackal58
Lurker policy lynch go. Feels strange to do as scum, given that there were alot of lurkers early on. Vivax-decently strong town read atm, based on his case and interaction with debears. Palmar-I dunno anymore. His recent play haven't been as convincing. still slight town on him. Prom-His play this far is quite bad I must say. He claims that he plays like this regardless of alignment and TBH I haven't had the time to check his older games. I think there is a decent chance for him to be scum.
All others are null, either because I cannot really determine their alignment good enough yet or because I haven't read their filters good enough.
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This sucks.
With that being said, I'm off to bed...
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I'm in school atm. Can't post much atm. Debears is scum basically for the reasons that Djo posted. Foolish looks bad as well. I think VE is town due to his emotional talk with host and what not. It looks geniun to me. Toad hasn't been posting in forever, which is bad considering that he is a good player. Might very well be because he is scum.
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I like kush as well. Probebly town.
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Okey, I just recondsidered my CC lynch. I actually think he is the scummiest player in the game right now.
So, CC have not only been lurking these past few days. He has been posting exactly 1 post each cycle for the 2 last cycles. Now, I asked myself today, what would be the town motivation for this. I couldn't find an answer. As town, why wouldn't he try? I can take that he doesn't have time/don't care but why the heck wouldn't he just ask for a replacement. To be frank, even a modkill on CC would be beneficial for us right now. He knows this. Everyone knows this. There are a clear mafia motive in playing like CC tho.
I am actually more confident in lynching CC atm than debears. But for the time being.
Unvote Vote: Mr. Cheesecake
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On January 10 2013 06:23 kushm4sta wrote: im not screaming his towniness. I just think he's a null read Explain how it is a null read. Give me one good explanation from CC in a town PoV.
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On January 10 2013 06:29 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 06:19 Lazermonkey wrote: Okey, I just recondsidered my CC lynch. I actually think he is the scummiest player in the game right now.
So, CC have not only been lurking these past few days. He has been posting exactly 1 post each cycle for the 2 last cycles. Now, I asked myself today, what would be the town motivation for this. I couldn't find an answer. As town, why wouldn't he try? I can take that he doesn't have time/don't care but why the heck wouldn't he just ask for a replacement. To be frank, even a modkill on CC would be beneficial for us right now. He knows this. Everyone knows this. There are a clear mafia motive in playing like CC tho. Unvote Vote: Mr. Cheesecake What? You're talking like he's town in the bolded part Yhea, well I meant that IF CC were town, even a modkill on him would help us.
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Also, you dodged my question...
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owfuck, I read you as kush. I'm sorry : (. Well, while we are at it, what's your opinion about CC?
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EBWOP: that was obviously to thrawn ; )
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On January 10 2013 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: owfuck, I read you as kush. I'm sorry : (. Well, while we are at it, what's your opinion about CC? mostly same as kush's o.0 basically... I witnessed Witchcraft Mafia. Everyone considering a CC lynch REALLY needs to go read that game. Don't even look at his/anyone else's alignment before you read his filter. Yhea, but the games are diferent arenät they? he posted shit loads of stuff in that game so he is obviously not fitting in his town meta at all(which doesn't say too to much because he doesn't actually fit his scum meta either IIRC, which makes the meta a null). And I don't buy the argument: ''he was bad in witchcraft and town, thus every time he is bad, he is scum.'' That would just be silly. Actually it would be double silly, because you could NEVER lynch CC implying that logic. Can you tell me ONE reason for him to play like he does as town. And I'm not talking about not contributing but rather the fact that he doesn't care about the game YET he does post 1 post every cycle in order not to get modkilled.
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On January 10 2013 06:46 kushm4sta wrote: When CC is town he is comfortable in the thread. Last game I was in with him, he kept saying "If this guy flips green im scum im definitely scum." But he was town. As town he will pretty much say anything.
As scum CC is a lot more careful and a lot more clean. His average post length becomes longer by magnitudes.
Explain from a CC townie perspective: what I see in CC is someone who is inactive. Inactivity is a trait of both alignments.
Read my post. Inactivty isn't the reason I'm voting him.
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On January 10 2013 06:55 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 06:49 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 10 2013 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 10 2013 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote: owfuck, I read you as kush. I'm sorry : (. Well, while we are at it, what's your opinion about CC? mostly same as kush's o.0 basically... I witnessed Witchcraft Mafia. Everyone considering a CC lynch REALLY needs to go read that game. Don't even look at his/anyone else's alignment before you read his filter. Yhea, but the games are diferent arenät they? he posted shit loads of stuff in that game so he is obviously not fitting in his town meta at all(which doesn't say too to much because he doesn't actually fit his scum meta either IIRC, which makes the meta a null). And I don't buy the argument: ''he was bad in witchcraft and town, thus every time he is bad, he is scum.'' That would just be silly. Actually it would be double silly, because you could NEVER lynch CC implying that logic. Can you tell me ONE reason for him to play like he does as town. And I'm not talking about not contributing but rather the fact that he doesn't care about the game YET he does post 1 post every cycle in order not to get modkilled. it's about his "I'm not gonna do my part because I don't care or am too lazy to provide rational analysis and idc who calls me out for it" attitude and no I can't think of a good reason for why he'd do it as town but that doesn't mean he cant be doing it. whatever reasons might exist are obviously dumb did you actually read witchcraft? please do it, and tell me what you imagine his emotional state during that game to be Like I said, His attitude is actually not the reason I am voting him.
I will not read witchcraft, it's a waste of time. My impression is that he was a posty town who played quite bad and appeared to be scum. So as far as I am concerned, his meta is not relevant in this situation at all.
Also, if you cannot see a reason for him to do it as town you should either try to find it or vote him. Period.
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On January 10 2013 07:07 kushm4sta wrote: Some people request a replacement when they are inactive. Some got modkilled. Some post the absolute minimum so that they don't get modkilled or replaced. That last one is how i would play if I were super busy or didn't give a shit. If you show me ONE game where a town player who wasn't a complete noob did this and I will reconsider my read on CC. One game.
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On January 10 2013 07:21 thrawn2112 wrote: idk... i dont get what point you're trying to make. do scum always need scum motivation to do things? if it's something that makes them seem like town, and it wouldn't hurt them too badly, why wouldn't they "help out" the thread every now and then? do you really think mz was the the only town person (and therefore potential mislynch) among the list of whoever the thread was considering for lynching at that time?
like your agrument seems extremely similar to "a scum wouldn't give town reads on a townie" ...
If a scum player are placing a town read on someone, surely there is a reason for it? Like they want to appear town prehaps? You are using the most backward and crazy logic ever, which further confirms the fact that you are town but I ask you to OPEN your eyes and realise that CC is scum. Vote him. Let him flip scum. Enjoy!
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On January 10 2013 07:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay hold on a second.
If the thread really was primed for an MZ lynch then why would they shoot him?
Like, and it was too...Palmar, myself, marv had a case....an MZ lynch could have happened. So why WOULD they shoot him.
:/ I dunno, but speculating in NKs is just, speculations...
MZ were basically confirmed town or at least would've been by the end of the day. I see that as a enough of a reason.
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On January 10 2013 07:39 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not NK though, it's day kill.
That's different...because it means they can do it at any point. Meaning that it had an agenda behind it. They used the dayvig on MZ...meaning they wanted it to go through no matter what.
And at any time they want...
It's not just night-kill speculation, there's more information surrounding it than night-kills. True enough point. But this was during the time when people actually started to realize that MZ actually was more or less confirmed town and letting a confirmed townie, even a weak one, to live is suboptimal play from scum imo.
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On January 10 2013 07:44 Promethelax wrote: hey all, I'll stand for me being townie. I doubt anyone else will, besides djo I guess and Kush who called me scum for a while but then called be null? I don't get it at all. Kush explain please.
Thrawn, if you are around, I want to know why it is that you think I am scum when I have showed you that in YAN I was town and playing the same way. I'm having you as nulling as well ; ). But lynching you today is stupid. Really stupid. We need to lynch CC!
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I'm going to bed now. I'm quite confident in debears lynch but way more confident in CC lynch. Anyone who ends up not voting CC better give a damn fine reason for doing so. And, no. thrawn's and kush' reasons aren't good. Give me ONE single reason for him to be playing like this(posting once every cycle as town). This isn't about meta because afaik he never played anything like this in any of his games. Thus meta arguments are invalid.
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EBWOP: playing like this AS TOWN.
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I think Toad looks quite bad after a quick glimps of his filter. But I am waaay more confident in CC lynch and even debears lynch.
Also, debears didn't vote in voting thread : /
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I don't know what to think of debears. I'm thinking of looking through some of his older games to see if he always pulls out scum reads for purely OMGUS reasons. On January 10 2013 10:10 debears wrote: I will repeat this one more time
NONE of you have explained why my counter arguments against vivax are wrong. NONE OF YOU.
In other words, I am fucked later no matter what because you guys can't read and think on your own Also, this post. I think hardly anyone is voting you because of Vivax case anymore. This should be obvious by reading the thread.
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On January 10 2013 23:17 iamperfection wrote: lets just lynch cc and prove that i was right on day 1 Indeed. It will probebly also cure my paranoia about you being scum Iamp... I don't see how you are left alive this long tbh but you being scum makes like zero sense in every aspect...
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On January 10 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 23:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 10 2013 23:17 iamperfection wrote: lets just lynch cc and prove that i was right on day 1 Indeed. It will probebly also cure my paranoia about you being scum Iamp... I don't see how you are left alive this long tbh but you being scum makes like zero sense in every aspect... would cc fliping town change that thought process? Yes, it would. But he is like 101% scum at this point so don't fear.
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On January 11 2013 00:12 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 00:12 iamperfection wrote:On January 10 2013 23:56 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 10 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote:On January 10 2013 23:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 10 2013 23:17 iamperfection wrote: lets just lynch cc and prove that i was right on day 1 Indeed. It will probebly also cure my paranoia about you being scum Iamp... I don't see how you are left alive this long tbh but you being scum makes like zero sense in every aspect... would cc fliping town change that thought process? Yes, it would. But he is like 101% scum at this point so don't fear. the only fear i have is bad logic ebwop is of I think its quite bad logic of scum to let you live at this point.
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Thrawn, stop being a hipster. Even if prom or djo are scum, they aren't realistic target today. That's the bitter truth... The more we split our votes, the more influence scum voters will have!
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RoL, I recommend you to take a very close look at mr.cc. Basically, he has posted twice the last two cycles aka the exact amount of post required to avoid getting modkilled. He is active in a paralell game(going on right now, that is). So its not like he is very busy... He hasn't requested replacement. Long story short: there isn't a single reason for a townie to be playing like this...Ow, and he claimed bob the builder!
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On January 11 2013 04:29 Djodref wrote: I wish both froggy and Cheese are modkilled, I'm wondering if we shouldn't swap the vote to Cheese last-minute if he comes around the deadline to avoid the modkill. Because he would basically claim scum at that point. Remember that the mafia needs to preserve its KP. Wow, Djoderf. your ideas are so handsome all the time! You MUST be town Lol.
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O.o
I'm so sorry sir : (.
I'll call you Djo now.
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On January 11 2013 03:46 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 03:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Thrawn, stop being a hipster. Even if prom or djo are scum, they aren't realistic target today. That's the bitter truth... The more we split our votes, the more influence scum voters will have! prom is a realistic lynch, idk what you're saying. there's actually an ok amount of people in the thread right now Wait, did I miss something? Last time I checked you and kush were like the only two who actually wanted him dead. And two votes WILL not kill anyone.
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On January 11 2013 05:28 Djodref wrote: You know, I don't want to take any risk. I think we are going to be fucked if Cheese comes by and votes at the last minute. This is something I really don't want to happen.
##Unvote ##Vote CheeseCake Actually, this is a very valid point. If CC is not going to get lynched I am going to swap over to the one who has the most votes in order to prevent for CC last minute vote swap and hidden vote. I think we should all agree to do this in order to prevent shinanigans.
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Okay, CC doesn't seem like a realistic lynch at this point. I'm gonna grab some tea and something to eat and look through debears/Toads filter to see which one of them I like the most to lynch.
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On January 11 2013 06:08 iamperfection wrote:i think CC is 100% scum at this point and i think its kind of irrelevant that hell be modkilled becasue i think he is going to last minute vote shouldn't we take the sure thing? I'm totes up for a CC lynch if that is what you guys want. Too many are just too stubborn to realize that CC is in fact auto confirmed scum at this point...
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On January 11 2013 06:14 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 06:13 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 11 2013 06:08 iamperfection wrote:On January 11 2013 06:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes...intermittently. What's up? i think CC is 100% scum at this point and i think its kind of irrelevant that hell be modkilled becasue i think he is going to last minute vote shouldn't we take the sure thing? I'm totes up for a CC lynch if that is what you guys want. Too many are just too stubborn to realize that CC is in fact auto confirmed scum at this point... then do it and push for it i gotta go for about two hours in like 5 min so carry my wagon of justice. I don't feel like pushing it any more. I've repeated my points over and over but people dissmiss them with shit arguments and/or ignore them. If anyone is interested in why CC is scum, just read the last two pages or so of my filter.
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Actually, CC posted in british just a few hours ago:On January 11 2013 02:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2013 17:16 jaybrundage wrote:On January 10 2013 16:46 yamato77 wrote:On January 10 2013 16:44 jaybrundage wrote:On January 10 2013 15:38 yamato77 wrote: Moving forward, I think the best plan of action is to sit on the assumption that we can lynch Zentor at any point, and hunt for either his scum mate, or in the small likelihood that he's actually town, find the real scum. We can lynch anyone at anypoint. If it's very unlikely that hes town then why wouldn't you just lynch him? You should always lynch your best scum read. Never ever save a lynch for later on someone you think is scum. There's always the possibility that Zentor is town, isn't there? I mean we just saw a townie self-destruct yesterday. I agree he is probably scum, but even if he is I think the better move is to sit on the idea for at least a few hours. If you disagree, I want to know how you're so certain he'll flip. Im not really certain about anything at this point. We still have a similar pool to lynch in but I have added Zentor to that lynch. I'm not as sure as i was about him as before. His im not going to post crap was dumb to say the least. So who is your scumteam at this point? You've got three candidates that aren't confirmed town other than yourself. I think it is safe to say that he is NOT absent. Why not just kill him?
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On January 11 2013 06:27 kushm4sta wrote: anyone know how many times we can miss till we are at lylo? Will you stop asking irrelevant questions please?
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On January 11 2013 06:30 kushm4sta wrote: lazermonkey that's not irrelevant. you are irrelevant I'm not taking this discussion today. Concentrate on the lynch, will you?
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On January 11 2013 06:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 06:46 supersoft wrote:On January 11 2013 06:44 kushm4sta wrote:On January 11 2013 06:43 supersoft wrote:On January 11 2013 06:41 kushm4sta wrote: @ss I don't think VE and toad are both scum. that is the only connection. oh yes i forgot, I pointed out that this is bullshit and after that you added me to your shitty list. Do you realize how terrible you are at this game? Better just shut up. why do you want me to shutup if im scum? I don't know if you're scum, if Toad is scum, you're probably town. Since I believe Toad is scum, i think you're just a terrible townie. Therefor i am telling you to shut up, because youre terrible. what do you think of him if I'm town? Why lurk untill 10 minutes before deadline... -.-
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The voting is too close, we need to avoid CC last minute swap.
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I'm voting Toad at this point. I think they are about equally likely to flip scum at this point but just to asure us that no last minute switch is comming
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On January 11 2013 06:59 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2013 06:58 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm voting Toad at this point. I think they are about equally likely to flip scum at this point but just to asure us that no last minute switch is comming
##Unvote ##Vote: Toadesstern I thought you thought I was scum Are you?
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On January 11 2013 06:59 debears wrote: No.but why would you care for a voteswitch if you think im scum? Do you even fucking read the thread....
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It does fucking matter. Eywa was modkilled for the exact same thing CC and froggy have done. And with CC being scum its a crazy blow to town.
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On January 11 2013 07:13 supersoft wrote:late voteswitch, asking for game-ending modkills?my winrate is screwed :'( So you think CC is town? My vote switch did not matter for shit. Toad would've died anyway and I prevented an eventual voteswap over to debears from CC.
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Okay, I'm off to bed. CC is scum.
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The fact that Cc is town is fucking my brain up...
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WP, especially thrawn, Vivax and supersoft. Never really excpected you guys to be scum o.O. right now I'm kinda sad because we lost sooo hard but I'll probebly comment a bit more on the game later on.
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thrawn, why did you guys shoot Palmar btw? He wasn't really confirmed by any means nor did he seem very active during the later stages of the game.
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Yamato, I think you played quite well. Almost noone thought you were scum which is very postive.
I'd like some feedback on my own play as well. My own reflection is that I have similar problems as yamato. I'm quite good at looking townie but bad at finding scum. I did have decent reads on D1, at least town reads but not once did I really push a scum for his lynch IIRC.
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