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I'm going to try to beat my lurker meta from here on. Please don't hate me if I fail =\
/in I'm going to be moving at some point in the next 2 weeks or so, waiting for the house to close. I expect to have a pisspoor day or two for activity during the move.
On November 19 2012 10:24 Promethelax wrote: I'm as in as in can be and I'm glad to see that incontrol isn't the only other guy playing.
/in
edit: Before we start I'd like to say that I am trying to develop a new meta, my old one (easily witness-able in the recently completed ACME) takes too much time which I just don't have in my life right now. I'll do my best to play well though. My usual pre-game warning: I work overnights on the weekends, I won't be here for long stretches of the weekend due to that.
And Grey, assuming I know nothing about ChronoTrigger (safe assumption) is there anything I should look into or should I assume that the game will follow internal logic and knowing about CT will not be necessary? Will CT knowledge be an asset this game?
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On November 20 2012 06:32 BioSC wrote: Time to try my strength. Let's go play the bell game a few times!
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On November 20 2012 07:01 Mementoss wrote: Thats 10 Silver Points to Hopeless1der!!! Too bad he busted the bell, and his arm!
I'm sorry
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Who the hell is declaring these victories. I didn't hear any music.
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On November 21 2012 08:11 ghost_403 wrote: 90% sure temporal excuses are invalid in the Chrono Trigger Mafia thread. Epoch was in the shop
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Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too).
Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit
What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD.
I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party.
Come play the setup speculation game with me please!
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On November 21 2012 13:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit
What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! seems like to me your trying to narrow the pool for a reason we don't know is true. Do you find that scummy, or stupid?
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So you don't want to play the setup speculation game...fine I'm taking by ball and going home
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On November 21 2012 13:41 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Greetings all. You'll notice that we're currently in 600 AD Guardia. You're also playing a themed game hosted by none other than Greymist. Please keep that in mind. (Hi Mementoss, you're cool too). Basic vote mechanics for this game seem to boil down to -identify town -vote town to lead the party -Profit -Kill Mafia/Lavos -More Profit
What are people's thoughts on claiming that their character belongs to the 600 AD era and selecting the leader based on that. (YOU ONLY CLAIM "600 AD") Possibly selecting the entire party from within the era, assuming enough of a pool emerges. I linked Chronopedia above in case anyone feels the need to check it out. ~17ish native characters from 600 AD. I think our hidden numbers are influenced by the current era, and events can have varying degrees of success or failure depending on which specific players (not just town or scum) are in the party. Come play the setup speculation game with me please! No. Setup speculation is for chumps. I'd like to hear your thoughts on who we should choose for a party leader and why. Choose town. Win events. Kill Lavos. This has already been covered. I don't have any strong townreads yet. So in the meantime, I want to plant some ideas about how the setup works because you can bet your ass its going to matter.
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Vote Hopeless1der 600AD <-- Do it right guys
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On November 21 2012 13:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Hopeless, how would scum fakeclaiming 600 AD help town? Also I am against roleclaims of any kind. Was that a trick question? How does scum fakeclaiming ever help town?
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On November 22 2012 00:11 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:17 sandroba wrote: I hereby declare I want to lead you simpletons to victory. My party selection will be as following: I will choose 3 of the less known players who I read as town at the end of the day to compose the party. The reasoning is that this mechanic will greatly favor town in attempting to confirm players. This is better done for players less likely to get shot for 2 reasons: 1) They have less meta information available on them therefore harder to read. 2) Vets/Well known players are likely to get killed n1 if they are town, even more so given a successful mission, mitigating some of the advantage town might get. This serves to both preserve the good/known players and to keep the confirmed/likely town around longer. I'd like everyone to chime in on this subject of party selection and help come to the optimum way of doing things. tone: lol content: I worry that this might be overestimating the importance of figuring out which players are town, and underestimating the importance of actually winning the minigames. Remember, this was the game where the hosts warned that it might be impossible to balance, that implies to me that things other than just finding scum to kill might be important. Woah woah woah, that sounds like setup speculation. Better stop that asap
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My vote is probably going to sandroba. Second hand knowledge from Looney mafia suggests that he'll have everyone in the game crapping their pants by this time tomorrow.
If I by some miracle were voted leader, I'd pick my party members based on apparent knowledge of chrono trigger garnered from the pregame. My ability to make confident day 1 reads is abysmal. I'll still do it, just don't expect me to be right...like ever.
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On November 22 2012 00:18 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:15 goodkarma wrote:On November 22 2012 00:07 Clarity_nl wrote: Goodkarma do you still believe we should be focusing on townhunting until there is a possibility to lynch? -snip-
At the very least, I believe we should townhunt until we have chosen a party leader. If we argue who is scum, while working towards choosing who is town for our party, I fear we'll get a bit overwhelmed. Scumhunting very well might derail conversations for party selection, and townhunting might derail scumhunting discussions... I am a strong supporter of establishing scum by process of elimination this game for that reason, and this is the approach I plan on taking as I just discussed in my last post. What do you think about this: We want to consolidate on who to elect rather quickly, or at least narrow the field significantly. Once we've done that everyone but the elected person can go scumhunting, people end up finding town when they scumhunt anyway. As long as the elected person is transparent about his reads and choices, we can simply read his analysis rather than have 20 people make their own. I'd like people to start using the votethread in that case so we can get some consensus. Also:
On November 21 2012 23:38 Mementoss wrote: I don't know if it was clear in the OP but the voting system is plurality not majority, aka the person with the most votes wins, in event of a tie, the person who got to that number first wins. Town will make it happen one way or another, it always happens. Scum hunt as you normally would and let the theme take care of itself. ##Vote: sandroba
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On November 22 2012 00:22 Clarity_nl wrote: Can you guys explain why you have such strong town reads on sand? I really don't see it. Oh, I don't have a strong townread on him, but I believe him to be a strong town player that most people believe is easy to distinguish his town play from his scum play.
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On November 22 2012 00:27 syllogism wrote: Can someone link me a game where kush is mafia, thanks GSL Open II - Scum Kushm4sta
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On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote: *colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme?
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On November 22 2012 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:11 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 22 2012 01:39 Toadesstern wrote:On November 21 2012 22:48 Acrofales wrote: Oh, ok. Syllo is running. That makes me feel a bit better about taking a back seat. At least there's a choice.
No offence, iamperfection and dino, but given your play so far, you are not serious contestants. screw you. I am running as well. Yay you are back. What do you think about my case on Clarity? I don't think it's that much yet. I really don't want to get into detail about that though. Because? Clarity is acting like you have said is a scum read, posting a lot but without content. Or did I read your earlier posts wrongly? You're taking things at face value, but you have no concept of each player's meta. Blanket statements are reasons for suspicion but you need to demonstrate why something is scummy. Clarity asks questions, he's involved in conversations. I'm learning that if I want to read him, I need to direct questions back at him for him to answer. Trying to draw information from others while not giving your own is not necessarily scummy.
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On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote: *colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Does this scale move across to green/blue? What color are you and what color is syllo?
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On November 22 2012 02:22 Promethelax wrote: You know catching up with this thread is a million times worse than I was hoping, remember how I said that I was toning down the amount which I am posting? Could you all do me a favour and consolidate too. Thanks.
After reading the last ~20 pages I have come to a conclusion as to who I want to vote. It isn't Sylo and it isn't Sand. Their abilities are, no doubt, incredible but I don't like the way Sand took over the thread early and no one challenged him. I feel that a mafia player would in fact have tried to take over. (Remember Matt's reed of Decundo in PP) as such I'll be voting away from the two of them and towards someone who I read as town right now and who is known for having good reads.
## Vote: Acro
Come on boys, lets do this right and make Sand have to fight for his nomination.
I'll be out again for a few hours. See ya'll soon. I still expect some kind of a campaign with the intended party they'd choose. We're going to know what the party was from the next day post, so the leaders can't lie about it.
As for sand 'taking over'. We let him, because his scum play is supposed to be drastically different from his town play. You said you'd initially have taken marv on your team, and marv has voted syllo. Why isn't syllo a viable candidate for you to vote?
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On November 22 2012 02:37 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:32 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote: *colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Easy target != wrong Kill the easy targets before end game or you lose its simple game logic. Trying to go around that on day 1 is idiotic and foolish and you should know better. obviously you misunderstand what I say, but do carry on. Easy target as in he's new and fluffy. Technically you're an easy target too, but I still think you're scum. The new and fluffy will have to die as well. We don't need complications in the end game. The scum and Lavos need to die. You would potentially kill off power roles because they were new?
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On November 22 2012 02:39 Dienosore wrote: I'm not trying to accuse anyone with this post or anything, but are you guys even considering that sand may be aware of your meta reads on him and is playing as if he were towny to throw you all off?
Just seems strange so many people are blindly believing him to be towny based on past games Who do you want to lead us today dienosore? Sandroba has demonstrated his abilities in past games, giving him that opportunity in this one makes sense.
As a side note, if a mission were to fail, I think we can safely assume scum was within the 4-man party that the leader chose.
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On November 22 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:02 Keirathi wrote:On November 22 2012 03:01 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 02:53 Dienosore wrote: I would want ME to be the leader, of course. I realize I'm not running with any history, so I understand how that puts me at a disadvantage if you are trying to play it safe. However, I believe not having any track record in this situation is actually better, due to my campaign platform:
All I want is the first leader position. If elected, I will open up the party selection process to everyone by making a poll and taking the top three with me (I know i said two earlier; was an honest mistake). I will also have a poll for what to do for our first action.
I believe this is the best way to go about things, seeing as we have NO IDEA what is going to actually happen at the end of the first cycle. Once we have seen how the game is played, I will step down and let someone else have a turn as leader. I already adressed this. This kind of post is something that is supposed to look nice while not being nice at all. We want to elect someone who's comfortable to make a decision himself and willing to take responsibility. We don't want to vote someone who's dodging responsibility and opting to go with some kind of majority decreed team. Now the bolded part is interessting. Why do you want to be the first leader? I take it it's not to improve our chances because frankly speaking you don't even feel comfortable to judge someone yourself, do you? So if it's not to improve our chances, what's your reasoning behind running for this position? Do you really have to ask that question? There's a pretty obvious explanation (to me), and if you're not able to see it then it makes me doubt that you are town. I've got a bunch of explanations. I want to hear why he wants to be leader from himself. I don't intend to give people possible explanations as to how they "should" answer when asking them to explain themselves... You'll notice keir didn't say what the 'obvious' was. Keir are you just upset that Toad charged into the thread with a scumread on you? If you can't see a town reason for questioning someone's motives....
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On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote:kush makes me want to shout at him in every single post... Ok for now, I think the party leader should be toadesstern because He started off his post with a scumread, which shows effort in reading the thread instead of mindlessly posting without actually analysing anything like almost every player so far. His posts look really sincere and his logic is spot on On November 21 2012 17:13 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and I forgot: Yeah we need to find someone to send d1 and that's all nice and fine but I don't think it's a good way to keep the talk all focused on only that.
Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. His posts look really hard to fake for scum and because of his reputation as being imba, I am voting Toadesstern ##Vote: Toadsstern You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation. 1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game. Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. If they're strong, motivated town players who can in turn read others correctly as town, I want them as party leader. Activity isn't the only indicator, and getting others to talk shouldn't require you to be leader.
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On November 22 2012 03:14 Dienosore wrote: I italicized 'first' because I wanted to draw attention to the fact that party leaders will be changing quite often and I feel as if people are thinking this is going to be a permanent position.
As for the majority elected team, I think it's more logical to do things this way, at least for the first cycle while we are completely in the dark. I don't view polling the masses as dodging responsibility, but rather taking away the mafias chance to have an iron grip on the initial proceedings (assuming scum is elected and starts a dictatorship). By putting the vote out into the open, we also have another opportunity to see where loyalties lie. Its not your fault if people don't read the mod's posts, but you can just quote them if that's a concern. You don't get to 'step down' from being the party leader, we elect a new one.
On November 21 2012 14:53 GreYMisT wrote: If it were not clear in the OP, A new party leader will usually be elected before each event. Just something I'm not sure I put out there.
As for the poll, we already have a plurality party leader. I assume the top 3 votes in your poll get selected, but what if you only have 1 hour to decide? The party leader has final say, and needs to be accountable for success or failure for an event. In addition, your poll system allows scum to push their own member into the party and the party leader that we tried so hard to town-read can't stop it from happening. I hate that idea.
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On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 02:06 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 01:14 Acrofales wrote: [quote]
You clearly don't know toad at all. You don't even know toad's reputation.
1. Toad is notoriously hard to read. He posts giant walls of text that ramble on as either alignment and gets into hissyfits with whoever he feels like (most notoriously bugs and VE) as either alignment. 2. If he is imba, he is imba as scum, not so much as town. Personal opinion here, but I haven't seen toad make the difference as town. Unlike some other players in this game.
Now on to the beef of your post: why exactly do you feel his posts are hard to fake as scum? What specific quality makes you lean town on him? So far I am seeing you park your vote in a similar manner to Keirathi, for a similar reason. Last time I had to gather people I was some sort of mason who get's to invite people each and every night to join his QT resulting in the QT growing in number every cycle and having an incredibly powerfull town-circle. I think I picked something like 5 townies straight without a problem at all, including people like WBG who are notoriously hard to read according to most people here. The only mistake I made was when I gambled in lategame as we had 2 Kenpachi-like people (real Kenpachi and someone like Kenpachi) who didn't play the game while not being able to get a read on Marv as well. I picked Marv because I figured that if neither of those 2 Kenpachis is mafia we've lost anyways because one of them will get lynched at some point and it already was lylo. So yeah I think I'm pretty decent when it comes to that as well. I agree I'm by no way the best scumhunter around and I'm mostly working by process of elimination but that's because I trust in my townreads so heavily and they're never wrong. So yeah I think I'm the right guy for the job. Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro? I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote: Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote: Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
Last time I respond to you. You clearly don't read the thread. He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread Since I'm hoping marv keeps himself in check,
I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running
If I ran, he'd probably be trying to get votes FROM me onto himself. But I'm not running. Sandroba is running, and syllo is a-okay with people voting sandroba.
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On November 22 2012 03:41 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 03:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 03:36 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:28 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:24 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:16 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 22 2012 03:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 03:10 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 03:04 Acrofales wrote: [quote]
Not saying you're not. Just that I have reservations voting for you, and correcting the jubjubs as to your reputation. I've seen you play good as town. I've seen you play better as scum. I saw you are running and I like that. What makes you a better candidate than syllo or sandro?
I don't think anyone in here can claim to be better than Syllo or sandro when it comes to reads if that's what you're asking. However unlike Syllo and Sandro I'm someone who's pretty talkactive and I will get people talking about reads. Syllo and Sandro both tend to be pretty lazy threadwise and I don't think that that's something we want for someone who's running for the d1 spot. I don't really see syllogism as lazy. Not his play so far anyway. On November 21 2012 15:28 syllogism wrote: Oh Sandro is here and posting quite a bit, I may re-evaluate my nomination if I like what I see as I would definitely prefer being as lazy as possible On November 21 2012 22:55 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 22:51 marvellosity wrote:On November 21 2012 22:50 sandroba wrote: I wouldn't mind syllo being leader either and if I win I will give him veto power over the people I choose. I'm fairly certain he is town at this point. what distinguishes a town syllo from a scum syllo in your opinion? He is way less conflict enticing / questions asking as scum and just chillax and agrees with people that are the right track. This game he says he will be lazy, but isn't and is activily doing shit left and right. So yeah. I'll take the wishes of the actual player over an interpretation of play from someone who is being supported by the player in question. Syllo has chosen himself to be taken out of the running and we should respect that. On November 21 2012 22:45 syllogism wrote: Right now it is likely that I will support sandroba if I do not gain the necessary votes, even if I'm not "fairly sure" that he is town. The problem is that just electing someone who is very likely to be town isn't enough as the person has to also be able to identify 3 townies at a high enough probability on day 1. Anyway, currently it would definitely optimal from my point of view that I would be elected over him due to my uncertainty. I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running, but I'm definitely "running" in the sense that I wouldn't mind people voting for me.
Last time I respond to you. You clearly don't read the thread. He doesn't care to convince people - Thats taking himself out of the running. You clearly don't read the thread Since I'm hoping marv keeps himself in check, I'm not likely to put effort into convincing sandroba voters to switch to me, if that's what you mean by running
If I ran, he'd probably be trying to get votes FROM me onto himself. But I'm not running. Sandroba is running, and syllo is a-okay with people voting sandroba. Splitting votes is a silly idea in that situation. It would have to take Sand stepping down and you gaining a majority for Syllo to actually run properly. I meant that if we hypothetically replaced sandroba with myself, syllo would step up his game. Your whole thing about syllo being lazy and scummy is mis-representative of what has been put into the thread because he's not removing himself in general, he's removing competition for sandroba.
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On November 22 2012 03:52 Dienosore wrote: Hmm, thanks for the responses to my platform, guys. I knew it would be a (likely) possibility for the mafia to push someone into the group when I suggested it. In fact, I was actually counting on a move like that. It's true that we might lose the first challenge and someone might die, but then we would know for sure one of those people are scum. Then we would only have to flip the scope on those three people and root out the villain, and we would have the polling process to help us draw info.
I know the move is risky, but it is a calculated risk. Of course if you have a better way to identify mafia, one that perhaps doesn't potentially sacrifice a towny to draw out scum or one that doesn't include blind reads, I'm all ears.
[On second thought, I think its pretty clear now I don't have any real shot at first leader. However, I would still like my day 1 strategy to be considered by whoever is in that position] That's true regardless of how the party is formed. Event Failure = scum was present. Your plan just makes failure more likely for day 1. The only benefit is that scum have to be more careful about outing themselves through the voting, but if it were actually a poll, it'd be anonymous anyways.
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On November 22 2012 05:00 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote: @ Cavejohnson
While I appreciate the fact that you're trying to "think of the endgame" we don't know what an endgame will look like at all in this format. We don't know how many (if any at all) lynches we'll have. For all we know there is no such thing as lylo. Yet you are suggesting we get rid of people who give off a newb town vibe because they might be a problem later? Seriously, our win con is defeating Lavos, with a secondary objective of killing scum. How will getting rid of a newb towny help town? lylo still exists in these two forms: Either when mafia could out number us Or we don't have the tools to kill lavos We don't know what it takes to kill lavos except I presume for firepower. Of course the success of the missions will also impact this. We don't want to have to fight lavos in the ocean palace for example because we failed too many. I want the newbies to prove themselves like any other but that may not be possible when one false move could easily screw us up on either one of those conditions. This game will be so chaotic that one false move means a loss so we can't afford risks at any point in the game.
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote: Setup Information
Mafia: Kill ALL town and have 1 mafia left alive
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On November 22 2012 05:26 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Okay, so walk me through how failing an event will be a newbie's fault. Especially if you know they're newbies. When all the "vets" are dead with only them alive do you really believe they will have the knowledge and experience to make the correct choice? No. Failure of events = newbies fault Go.
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On November 22 2012 05:28 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 02:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:27 marvellosity wrote:On November 22 2012 02:16 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 02:09 marvellosity wrote: *colours Cave in orange* Can I have a legend for your color scheme? orange is a scumread. Z-bo/Hapa were this colour end of day 1 in mario. Crossfire was in red when I died, for "i'm certain". Cave comes in calling some fluffly nublet scum without actually calling him scum and for nebulous reasons. Supremely easy target. "his mafia team could have told him to do that" is nonsense too. Does this scale move across to green/blue? What color are you and what color is syllo? Why exaclty is this important to you? What do you hope to gain from it? I want to know what his reads are and he keeps them color coded.
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On November 22 2012 05:53 iamperfection wrote: well like clarity my info is different so different from me is usually not good NEVER TRUST GREYMIST
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Man, I fully expect my PM to lie, with the exception of that I win with the town. My max HP is probably subject to change, as is my ability(ies). Don't open this can of worms unless you really want to talk setup.
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On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game. I swear to god if this gains traction I'm going to be pissed.
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Either claim or fuck off with that goddamn poster
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On November 22 2012 07:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game. I swear to god if this gains traction I'm going to be pissed. Why? Because my head got bitten off for trying to speculate on setup.
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@kita
On November 22 2012 02:39 Dienosore wrote: I'm not trying to accuse anyone with this post or anything, but are you guys even considering that sand may be aware of your meta reads on him and is playing as if he were towny to throw you all off?
Just seems strange so many people are blindly believing him to be towny based on past games
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On November 23 2012 01:17 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 01:06 Dienosore wrote:On November 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote: Why do you have the Scum? by my name, yet I don't appear in your scumreads based on this? If you'll look closely, it says Scum? not Scum. I'm not going to flat out accuse anyone who I'm not entirely sure of. But know my eye is on you, Acro. Oh and I know you have some secret relation with CaveJohnson. Dude, that's way cool, you found out! CaveJohnson is secretly my daddy. He's not very nice, though, he only gives me lemons to play with. I wish my mommy was here. In all seriousness. Based on what do I have this secret connection. I seem to be missing CaveJohnson's name in all the squiggly lines flying all over the place. And yes, I am trying to take this seriously, but having a really hard time of it. You sure you're not BillMurray smurfing? I'm treating that picture like his campaign poster. Honestly, the only thing in dieno's filter that I cared about was:
On November 22 2012 08:00 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 07:47 Acrofales wrote: As I was on the way to the supermarket, I thought of something that might be worth considering. I know this is a greymist game and aperture mafia was hardly about aperture at all, but I, at least, am not the goddamned batman or any kind of planar dragon, so from my point of view the theme is more serious this time around.
If you agree that the theme could be serious, consider that the first mission in Chrono Trigger is also in a church. The playable characters are Crono, Lucca and Frog. Of these, I feel Frog is the most important, lorewise, in this mission. I don't think an outright claim is in order, but it might be worth considering, if you're one of these chars, in particular Frog, and running for the campaign, to make a more serious go at becoming the party leader.
Frog, of all the characters, seems like he would wield the most influence in favour of town in the first mission of Chrono Trigger, assuming lore is an important aspect of this game. Him claiming toad but not really claiming toad. Turns out he claimed toad
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On November 23 2012 01:25 Dienosore wrote: Are you mad that you aren't even on my map, Hopeless? No, its just a really silly thing to do and I'm choosing to ignore it.
On November 23 2012 01:29 marvellosity wrote: I just wanna be party leader, ok? It's not something that I had to explain to myself in my head so explaining it in text is meh. Assuming you cannot take any of the other candidates (kita, sand, syllo) with you, what's your party?
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On November 23 2012 02:32 risk.nuke wrote: Poor viscera. Another note, I don't think grey would modkill kush unless marv was town. Kush killed himself, how does that affect marv's alignment in any way?
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On November 22 2012 04:20 Mementoss wrote: Important Host Note:
Please if you feel that you have any chance of being elected party leader include the (3) party members to take along with you with your PM for the night actions. Even if you don't think you will be elected, you can include it cause, you never know. If the party leader doesn't chose (3) party members the party leader will take some punishment regardless of success or failure. The (3) party members will be chosen at random in this case.
This allows the party to be chosen for the elected party leader, even if they are not available at the time the hosts need the party members.
Reminder: This game follows a 47 hour combined day/night cycle with 1 hour no posting action resolution period.
Is there an official night period or does Cycle 2 start at 17:00 MST?
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On November 22 2012 05:49 Keirathi wrote: I don't know "My 'success modifier' is 3." But I do know that I have a low success modifier.
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Keir, I won't demand an answer here, but do you know anything about your modifier itself or just that you'll inadvertently sabotage events?
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Do you mean nothing is true in the OP or that draz is lying?
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On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote: Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo.
This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success.
It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do.
##Unvote: sandroba ##Vote: syllogism
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On November 23 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote: BioSC: are you playing this game, or you trying to get vig shot for lurking again?
Hopeless1der: where are you? You have lots of posts in your filter, but they are all 1-liners. I have NO clue what you're thinking about anything actually pertinent to this game. You have corrected people's logic and asked some questions. That seems to be about it. I can't even find your vote or ANY indication of who you might vote for. Last time you lurked you were obvious scum. You taking the same approach? I was voting for sandroba as a sheeple. You'll see I've just voted for syllo, and I hope that explanation is sufficient. As to my lurking...I have a lurker meta, and a terrible mafia record (check my profile, games are linked for your viewing pleasure).
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On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote: Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo. This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success. It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do. ##Unvote: sandroba ##Vote: syllogism This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. A failed mission would be terrible, but it gives us information and if you refuse to acknowledge that, then you're "fucking retarded". I think mission success is of paramount importance and that syllo is the best horse to back in order to achieve that. The voting doesn't determine syllo's alignment, it says we all think he's town and a good candidate. If you believe syllo is not town, I'd love to hear about it, but for reasons other than "he won't tell me who is on his team".
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On November 23 2012 04:21 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 04:03 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 03:51 Hapahauli wrote:On November 23 2012 03:46 Keirathi wrote: Hapa, I already explained why a candidate keeping his party hidden was a good idea. Yeah I saw that Kei, and I think it's really really stupid. Being scared of a possible D1 mafia manipulation isn't a good reason to sheep blindly on a player. It's like wanting to no-lynch on D1 in a normal game because there's a supposed "low chance of hitting scum." You lynch D1 anyway because of the amount of information we gain from the votecounts. Syllo is proposing an "optimal" strategy that completely neuters the amount of information we'll gain from the voting. This is fucking retarded. I disagree that it completely neuters the information, and I'm moving my vote to syllo. This is completely different from a no-lynch, as you must be aware. We get to know his party. If his party fails, he will explain his reads. If they succeed, then blind faith successful, town wins the event. I respect that you want his reads upfront and feel it would make for a more informed choice of elected leader, but it is Day 1 after all, and while I think you are town Hapa, I like the plan that syllo and djo have put forth about withholding information from the scumteam to prevent harm to our possible success. It is my opinion that this game is more heavily geared towards winning the theme than winning the mafia game, and that means succeeding at events. I think syllo is just as capable as you at picking townreads, and just as likely to be town as you are. This means that from a party leader perspective, syllo provides a better chance at succeeding in the event than you currently do. ##Unvote: sandroba ##Vote: syllogism This is so fucking retarded. Like you've got to be kidding me. It's amazing that players are thinking like this and are a-ok with Syllo's "system" in complete blind faith. This "voting" isn't just about determining Syllo's allignment - it's about seeing who votes for who. This gives a bunch of players to herp-derp and vote syllo (just like you're doing) with zero rationale. We want to be able to draw lines between votes and reads. I want to know who thinks who is town, and the parties that players are supporting. THAT"s the information we value here! Because if we fail this mission, we're not going to know jack shit. Syllo explaining his choices after the fact is completely worthless, and this gives a perfect veil for mafia to hide under without making any reads. A failed mission would be terrible, but it gives us information and if you refuse to acknowledge that, then you're "fucking retarded". I think mission success is of paramount importance and that syllo is the best horse to back in order to achieve that. The voting doesn't determine syllo's alignment, it says we all think he's town and a good candidate. If you believe syllo is not town, I'd love to hear about it, but for reasons other than "he won't tell me who is on his team". It gives us LESS information. All we will know is that Syllo is wrong. We won't know anything else, because everyone sheeped on syllo based on a misguided notion of trust rather than making any reads. I agree, it gives less information, but I want to succeed at the events more than I want to find mafia right now. There are so many unknowns in this game, and I'm playing a hunch that the theme is more important than people are giving credit for.
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MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP
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Jeezus Hapa, how is that difficult to understand? Do you think syllo was withholding his party list for shits and giggles?
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On November 23 2012 04:28 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote: MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP YEAH THAT TOTALLY MAKES FUCKING SENSE WHEN SYLLO IS THE UNDISPUTED VOTE LEADER. You think mafia are going to kill party members if they know them? How do you know mafia have the power to do this during the Day?
On November 23 2012 02:48 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:41 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 22 2012 04:20 Mementoss wrote: Important Host Note:
Please if you feel that you have any chance of being elected party leader include the (3) party members to take along with you with your PM for the night actions. Even if you don't think you will be elected, you can include it cause, you never know. If the party leader doesn't chose (3) party members the party leader will take some punishment regardless of success or failure. The (3) party members will be chosen at random in this case.
This allows the party to be chosen for the elected party leader, even if they are not available at the time the hosts need the party members.
Reminder: This game follows a 47 hour combined day/night cycle with 1 hour no posting action resolution period. Is there an official night period or does Cycle 2 start at 17:00 MST? The night period for all intents and purposes will be that 1hour resolution period. cycle 2 will begin at 00:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On November 23 2012 04:34 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote: MAFIA MIGHT BE ABLE TO KILL/ALTER THE SUCCESS IF THEY KNOW THE PARTY MEMBERS
HERPA FUCKING DERP Night actions are resolved AFTER the mission. Mementos already stated that. Herpa fucking derp yourself.
On November 23 2012 02:17 GreYMisT wrote:GreYMisT curse. Reposting on this page. Kushm4sta (Cyrus) Has both died in humiliation and has been MODKILLED
+ Show Spoiler [reasons] + Realizing you have RL issues is one thing, but just saying "well im not going to have time" or "I feel sick" and then blowing your 1 shot ability becasue why not WHEN I HAVE 4 REPLACEMENTS WAITING TO /IN is simply unacceptable.
Thus Kushm4sta will be banned from all games of mine in the future and I will seek ban list action against him after the conclusion of this game.
+ Show Spoiler [Role Pm] +Welcome To Chrono Trigger Mafia! You are Cyrus. You are a loyal knight and a hero of 600 AD, sworn to do whatever it takes to defend your king and queen. At any point, once per game, you may choose to unleash your finishing move, Nirvana Strike. You may activate this by typing ##Nirvana Strike: Player Name in the thread. At this point, no passive or active abilities or states will affect you or your target. If your target has a lower % of health than you do, you will kill the target instantly. If you are tied or have a lower % health, you will be humiliated and die. You also have a 1 shot passive self protection ability. If you are about to die the most damaging ability that is targeting you will be prevented. If this prevention would save you, you will automatically use Nirvana strike on the source of that damage (this passive will not use your Nirvana strike charge). You have 600 max HP. You win with the town.
Let this serve as a warning to everyone. Don't toy with me. Never. Trust. GreYMisT.
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EBWOP: It distinctly reads: "At any point, once per game"
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On November 23 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:29 Keirathi wrote: To win the event, and come out of it with solid reads. Mine too! Me 3!
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##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such.
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But I want to play setup explorer instead
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On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result
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On November 23 2012 08:00 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result Does your vote have an influence on your role? I am not currently aware of any such influence.
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On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote: In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns) Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3) Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one.
My setup exploration was unproductive by the way.
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On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature
Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to?
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If it is possible to clarify, if kush wasn't modkilled, he still would have died due to his ability, correct?
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On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote: @Hopeless I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people. I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc Yeah, except he was SK in a reasonably normal setup. Its a bad benchmark for looking for town toad.
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EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways
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On November 23 2012 09:41 Keirathi wrote: Also for clarification: we are still in 600AD, correct?
There were some talk of portals and things in the day post, but I didn't see anything to suggest we changed positions in time. Just want to make certain though. Check the daypost, time is (always?) posted there 1000AD - Present Day
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@syllogism Are you willing to explain you choice of keir for your party?
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On November 23 2012 09:53 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:51 Adam4167 wrote:On November 23 2012 09:48 Clarity_nl wrote: syllo was party leader, dieno claimed frog.
It's possible one of the other two is mafia but couldnt sway the mission to failure, especially with frog (pretty sure dieno said he had a bonus in 600AD) Having to get two mafia elected onto a team of four to cause a failure hardly seems fair from a balance perspective considering the probable demographic that's being worked with (ie 3x as many town on average). Again, frog gives a bonus to likelyhood of success. So I believe with that in mind it is very much possible. We don't know that, and skimming dieno's filter, I'm not finding HIM saying that. I'm sure I indirectly suggested 600AD characters are more powerful here, and I think someone else suggested taking dieno for the fact that he was frog/glenn.
Anyways, I`d leave people from the party alone for now, the event was a success.
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Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation.
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On November 23 2012 10:53 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:44 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 10:41 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:35 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 10:19 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 10:13 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 09:13 TheChronicler wrote:On November 23 2012 09:08 Toadesstern wrote: Good job. I'm wondering a bit why Deinosaur but it worked out fine.
Lynching Sandroba should be the way to go for today. Maybe Marv. Lol, nice soft defense. How is that a soft defense? I basicly said that I would not have picked Deinosaur, as in I didn't consider him to be a clear townie at all. I said I want Sandroba and Marv lynch. What part of that post is defending someone? How could you NOT have a town read on this guy? I'm boggled. He's like a transparent BillMurray. The BillMurray who's playing like and idiot from time to times (I'm trying to be nice), keeps on blackmailing people as a mad hatter so that noone lynches him and actually succeeds in doing so because people think there's no way he'd be that stupid as mafia so they think he's just really a stupid Drazerk-like townie. I have never ever figured out BillMurray in my life in a game of mafia with confidence and I played some games with him. Does that answer your question? Yes I'd agree the comparison you did isn't complete bullshit, hence my astonishment because I'd neither label any of those 2 transparent. Never ever. BM takes some figuring out, but I am fairly certain I can read him accurately now. This is like a completely transparent version of the same. I mean.. the notepad? That was just so... I dunno. I just cannot see a scum doing that ever in a million years. Add to that the clueless campaign and the nameclaim and I was pretty certain he was town. As my BM example was supposed to show, or any town-Drazerk game where he clames bulletproof, not roleblockable medic that is going to protect town-Vet-A so no other town medic has to protect him as a townie himself and thinks it's a good idea... there's plently of people I could see doing that, no matter of alignment. BM being the example for mafias doing that and Drazerk being the example for townies doing that kind of stuff with the 2 games I'm pointing at right now. The fact that you cannot tell the difference between these examples and Denisore's play is telling enough in your ability to read alignments. thx, said the guy who wasn't able to make an educated guess about wether Keirathi outright claimed mafia in the thread or wether he was really concerned about leading the mission to failure with his (supposed to be) low hidden value. Can you qualify this jab at marv using marv's filter?
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I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day
On November 21 2012 17:00 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 15:59 syllogism wrote: Sandro who do you think is [most likely to be] town so far? I'll do better and give you 2 I have a pretty good town read on: Diodude and oatsmaster. @Djoref I'll try to put in an effort and explain my reads properly when the time comes, but I'm gonna wait a little more before I do that. 'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo.
On November 22 2012 17:26 sandroba wrote: @syllo that was me quickly reading through the thread and answering stuff after going out. I ignored your mafia question because honestly I'm not putting too much thought into it. When I can't acertain the dude is town I pretty much dismiss it till later, since so far we can't really do much about it. I'm kinda hurt that you think there is a >50% chance that I'm mafia. </3 On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent:
On November 22 2012 17:29 sandroba wrote: I'll probably be taking oats/die/kush (if he doesnt die). kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early.
On November 22 2012 17:38 sandroba wrote: @gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo. This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity.
I need to go find someone I do want to lynch.
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On November 24 2012 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Hopeless, how does predicting the party show his alignment? It doesn't, but it is definitely not scummy to me. He called out what I presume are two townies (event success) very early. That supposed ability is why he was a candidate in the first place, and he has lived up to that expectation in my eyes. Granted, he gave little in the way of reasoning, and it would be immensely easy to do so as mafia when you know which 'newbies' are town (or at least not mafia), but its still a point in his favor that his most recently proposed party (die/oats/kush) would likely have succeeded as well. (Man, Cyrus and Glenn in the same party? IMBA!)
On November 24 2012 00:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 00:52 Clarity_nl wrote: Can everyone get over the fact that sand has been inactive and just gave a weird excuse and read his filter and my case, please? This goes especially for the people sheeping without giving reasons other than him going inactive. Wait, I'm doing that thing where I care more about the method than the result again, aren't I? A little bit, but I don't think you're wrong to insist we make a goddamn read for ourselves.
Your case on sand shows that he's not trying to win the election. His activity could be to blame for that. -> He doesn't give strong or informed reads. Withholding reasons for a townread to me is not scummy until those same townreads become scumreads. If he continues to read a player as town, I'm fine with that. If they suddenly change to scum, only then do I feel I deserve to know his entire thought process. As a candidate for party leader, I can see why people would want his reads to be as transparent as possible, but I believe that winning the events is more important and I don't consider his 'not trying' to be scummy.
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On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChronicler
p.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines.
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On November 24 2012 06:43 syllogism wrote: Speculating about the guessing game ability is pointless at this stage. If it wasn't a one-shot, we should see more and more people getting targeted by it. I don't see why kita would fake claim something like that unless he is mafia, they didn't use the ability n1 and will use it later. Norstien Bekkler - Show Tent, Millenia Fair /speculation
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On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch.
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On November 24 2012 07:07 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:46 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. You don't take other people's opinion into account when choosing who to lynch? This is really flimsy reasoning for voting me. You're suggesting that the scummiest player is the one with the most votes. That's ludicrous and is a terrible way to determine who you want to lynch. I don't think it's an unfair suggestion to say that the person with the most votes is the one who is currently thought of as most scummy. I didn't say he's scum because he has votes. I said he was a good candidate because a lot of people find him scummy and you can therefor lynch him. If your problem is that a Sandro lynch seems too easy then you need to say that. Right now you're misrepresenting what I'm saying and I have to wonder why. My problem with sandro's lynch is that I don't think he is scum. My problem with your reasoning to lynch him is that they aren't centered around him being scum.
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I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night.
These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better.
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I'm ignoring it until someone flips or CJ tells us something concrete. I'm just trying to keep people from getting to caught up on the 'hes making all this shit up' train of thought. He presumably knows what the abilities he named do. I can make a guess as to how to convert them to mafia mechanics but its not particularly helpful.
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On November 25 2012 09:42 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 09:37 marvellosity wrote: incidentally this is why I was fairly believing of kita earlier, because he claimed his shot on Drazerk only did half damage.
Obviously these actions were nothing to do with me, but the 50% resonated with my role. interesting. So I am the only RBing role in the game. Or the only one activated n1. I assume some people have multiple abilities and not all would necessarily use the rb, where is the glory in that? Marv, if you are a 600 character why didn't you try harder to get in the team d1? Didn't you feel that since your ability got a bonus your hidden modifier would too? Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 09:40 kitaman27 wrote:^_^ I took 50 damage last night. I picked sandroba from my guessing game and avoided the damage. I'm also part of a fun new game, which I won't reveal yet -_- Considering Sandroba never returned, I think we should be looking for players that show signs of frustration towards his absence. On November 25 2012 09:36 marvellosity wrote:On November 25 2012 09:34 Promethelax wrote:hey Marv, baby, why did you target Syllo n1? + Show Spoiler +sorry about my play sensei, I will do better I'm basically a medic type role. I reduce incoming HP by half on the target player (or in 600 AD, 2 players). So Cave trolls it up to attract kp, syllo is bussed with cave, and syllo takes my hit, while cave gets protected. the roleblocks buddy, the roleblocks. Neither of those things went through. Draz: why are you thanking me for my ability? What did it do benefit you? I'm reading that as draz thinks you protected him with it.
##Vote: Syllogism Until he tells us not to.
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On November 25 2012 10:05 GreYMisT wrote:10 wtf just happened. Does anyone have any idea?
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Time until Lavos eats us all it is. I've got nothing else to go by...
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On November 25 2012 10:32 TheChronicler wrote: 200 gold Popcorn You target 2 players. You will be told if they are the same alignment or different.
Night Results: toadesstern and sandroba, same. That seems very straightforward. Duly noted.
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On November 25 2012 10:33 TheChronicler wrote: Ebwop: that was my n1, btw. Not last night. So you knew that both lynch targets were the same alignment the whole day...That's actually huge news. Lots of reading to do now.
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On November 25 2012 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Chronicler. Hmm is there a scum reason for doing this? YES THERE IS. Toad was under pressure last cycle, chronicler was also under pressure. So fake a 'dt' check and BAM TOAD IS SCUM 1 for 1 trades heavily favor town.
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On November 23 2012 14:05 syllogism wrote: I took 50 damage.
I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious.
@Prom Syllo took damage, but you managed to catch sand with a roleblock. He freely admits it, but later it seems you weren't sure. Were you bluffing him out when you said you knew he targeted syllo?
Either way, if you're telling the truth it means that syllo was hit by a multi-target ability or he was hit by recoil from his own abilities, because you would have protected him form anything else.
If someone is able to account for the 50 damage on Syllo in such a way that it proves Prom is lying about his roleblock ability, Prom is not town. I don't think that is the case, I just want to make that apparent to anyone that knows more than I do. Unless someone chimes in, I currently have a town read on Prom for trying to protect the successful party leader.
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we had robo and frog on the first event lololol
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On November 25 2012 11:11 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:44 Promethelax wrote:On November 25 2012 10:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 14:05 syllogism wrote: I took 50 damage.
I'm going back to bed, but very briefly him suggesting that his modifier is likely low was something that probably makes people less likely pick him. He also pointed out the fact that if parties are announced in public, mafia has easier time choosing who to support and that was a pretty towny observation and something that occurred to me as well. In addition he wasn't afraid of asking me and sandro whether we thought he was suspicious. @PromSyllo took damage, but you managed to catch sand with a roleblock. He freely admits it, but later it seems you weren't sure. Were you bluffing him out when you said you knew he targeted syllo? Either way, if you're telling the truth it means that syllo was hit by a multi-target ability or he was hit by recoil from his own abilities, because you would have protected him form anything else. If someone is able to account for the 50 damage on Syllo in such a way that it proves Prom is lying about his roleblock ability, Prom is not town. I don't think that is the case, I just want to make that apparent to anyone that knows more than I do. Unless someone chimes in, I currently have a town read on Prom for trying to protect the successful party leader. Yeah I was bluffing but I thought it was a safe bet. There were only two roleblocks and it seemed inconceivable that no one targeted the leader of the town party besides me. So I took a gamble, i knew my credibility was pretty low but I knew my role could make or break this lynch (theoretically) so I challenged Sand on it. I was pretty shocked about the damage which Syllo claimed (I thought I would block it all and that mafia would have individual abilities and NOT factional kp but this is false, mafia has kp!) and I assumed that it was Mafia KP (another reason which I didn't state earlier that i thought he was Town in the 'one of Sand/Syllo is scum' argument). I looked at my pm again in writing this to confirm my abilities, it only roleblocks players so I imagine that factional kp is not blocked. What is so hard to understand? Syllo got BUSSED. All the abilities that targeted him, targeted someone else instead and everything that targeted that someone else targeted Syllo. Scum shoots flying-under-the-radar-town. Sandro busses all damage from that townie onto Syllo and all the protection (just Marv) on Syllo onto the flying-under-the-radar-town.
Which is a great theory and all, but
On November 23 2012 21:51 sandroba wrote: Oh my it seems I'm the only person in the game that doesn't get to have a real life every so often. I spent the night at a girl's house ytd and only got home now. I thought I would give the thread a quick read before heading to bed (yes my sleep schedule is severely fucked up) and I see that suddenly I became the main wagon. Nice. Weekend is ahead and it will be extremelly busy and now I have to fight syllo induced mislynch just to prob face the same problem again the next day. Thx. I'll be here briefily if anyone want to interact, but I'm heading to bed. I took 125 dmg and got roleblocked.
Syllo's damage came from somewhere else. At the very least, sand was unable to busdriver syllo.
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##Unvote: Syllogism (ineligible) ##Vote: Oatsmaster
We'll see about the final party, but I see no reason to distrust his claim.
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Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look!
##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern
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On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look!
##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true.
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I'm more just prickly that Acro feels the need to straight up insult me with no further reasoning than he's lying. I haven't actually made up my mind about who I believe yet.
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@Z-Bo's Case I assure you, I am not filthy filthy scum, but let's face it, you're not going to take my word for it. You'll learn I'm very lazy and/or terrible at this game, so that portion of your case shouldn't hold much weight. However, I have definitely shown mafia motivation in my dealing with sandroba and I would not be upset in the slightest were I to be lynched, aside from the (currently unknown) fact that I am town. I don't know that I can really defend myself, but if you are interested in why I did something or how I came to a particular conclusion, please ask me and I'll answer it directly.
Catching up from where I left off...
On November 25 2012 20:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Diensore voted for me <3 but seriously, we still have 36 hours, I say we pressure the lurkers into doing stuff.
VE Is your silence role related? Hopeless, where did you go? risk.nuke, what do you think about voting for me/dieno?
I went to bed, just woke up. I'll start putting that in the thread when I'm not paying attention to the game anymore.
On November 25 2012 17:55 Dienosore wrote:Also, look who I just caught with his vote still on Toad Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern
Find the corresponding post in thread, that was (kind of) a joke. On the off chance that Toad is telling the truth, I will have saved him from lots of damage. He's also suggested that my voting him to begin with will have prevented the damage (because Toad had NO votes at the end of cycle 1, but wasn't destroyed). There is no longer any reason to be voting for Toad today, and if that wasn't already abundantly clear,
On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 12:01 Hopeless1der wrote: Hey Tooaaaadddd...Can i haz ur heal? I'll give this vote I found. Look!
##Unvote: Oatsmaster ##Vote Toadesstern You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Man...Fuck you Acro, its not fair to call me an idiot when you ROLE+ALIGNMENTCOP a player. ##Unvote: Toadesstern ##Vote: Oatsmaster Robo for president
Need to find food, back in a bit.
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On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well?
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On November 26 2012 02:05 risk.nuke wrote: Toad did not seem nailed as scum to me. I'll reread Acros actions after Cycle2. That doesn't sound like your super convinced toad is scum =\
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On November 26 2012 04:11 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 04:05 Dienosore wrote:On November 26 2012 03:56 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 03:55 TheChronicler wrote: I don't. Was kind of hoping someone had the ability to give ne gold or it was an event reward. Another reason I want on the team. So your ability costs gold. But you haven't gained any gold, nor do you know how to, but you got to use it? :o I'm confused. There is this: On November 20 2012 05:17 Mementoss wrote: Because me and GreYMist are such nice hosts, we gave each and every one of you 200 G to explore the fair, mingle with friends, and play the games!
A nice quote, but not relevant to me. I didn't start with 200. We're you given a "you have x total gold" or "you have received x amount of gold"? The latter suggests we can give you gold.
On November 26 2012 03:36 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 03:30 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 03:27 risk.nuke wrote: You made no argument, you simply rephrased what I said as an evil plot to exclude you from the party. We have no ideas how easy/hard it is to win a mission. Right now the general assumption is just that if one party member is mafia the party fails. But that doesn't make sense because then HMS would be useless. No it's not useless. For instance, I think the probable scenario is something like this: Normal Townies: 100 HMS High HMS Townies: 250 HMS Low HMS Townies: 40 HMS Normal Mafia: -300 HMS When the mission starts, if the total HMS value of the group is > 0, the event is successful. (These are obviously just made up numbers. Just an example for context.) Even if I believed a system like that likely the problem is those numbers are values. And values are not Modifiers. Thus we would had been told each player have a hidden/unknown success value. Gotta read the setup you guys...
On November 19 2012 09:43 GreYMisT wrote: Setup Information Events
The Party leader will choose 3 additional members (including himself) for a total of 4 party members. This party members will attempt to complete the event that the town is faced with. Each character in the game is assigned a hidden number value that will help determine if the event is a success or failure. Town players will assist completion of an event and mafia players will count against. There are other hidden factors that contribute to this as well. Failure to complete events will result in bad. Failure and success of Events may result in changing the timeline of the game.
- Each player has a HIDDEN NUMBER VALUE (not a modifier)
- There are other HIDDEN FACTORS that contribute to this as well
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No, but it does reinforce the idea that characters from the corresponding era and their being main characters has a chance (however slim) of improving our party's chance at success beyond that of simply 'being town'.
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On November 20 2012 05:37 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 05:34 iamperfection wrote: What is considered an experienced player? If this isnt your second game
And the funny thing is everyone just assumes this fair thing isn't part of the game
There are things to do when we return to the present day.
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On November 26 2012 05:32 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 05:30 Clarity_nl wrote: How about we speculate about the setup speculation now that grey swooped in and stopped the setup speculation. No. Why is it that whenever I call someone out you're suddenly there to defend them? You know something I don't? I'm not even relating anything to setup speculation. I'm accusing hopeless of attempting to set up a fake claim. I'm suggesting that we could get you gold once we return to the fair, but evidently I was wrong. Then again, Grey didn't bold his mod text so maybe hes screwing with us
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Well shit, didn't vote in the voting thread...
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On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said)
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So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far.
IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1der Acrofales kushm4sta Z-Boson
Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all.
Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum.
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On November 26 2012 08:11 Z-BosoN wrote: Hopeless, my love, in the voting count you just posted, where do you see sandroba? Quote the voting thread with you voting syllogism, before the current cycle.
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On November 26 2012 08:15 Mementoss wrote: I fucked up the day 1 vote count by the way zzz. Is that to say that Z-Bo should have been voting sandroba?
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marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying.
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On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch
Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy.
I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain.
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On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange.
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On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims
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On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote: [quote] He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims could you explain why this is possible? First off, I think it's way simpler for Toad to be scum. In order for Toad to be town, the most plausible scenario would be that scum framed him night 1 and acro faked his "1-shot role+alignment check".
If Toad flips scum, awesome. If he doesn't, I have a problem with Z-Bo and Acro, and lets face it, I'm not winning that fight. Again, I'm covering my bases for the just in case scenario.
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On November 26 2012 09:17 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
[quote] I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims could you explain why this is possible? First off, I think it's way simpler for Toad to be scum. In order for Toad to be town, the most plausible scenario would be that scum framed him night 1 and acro faked his "1-shot role+alignment check". If Toad flips scum, awesome. If he doesn't, I have a problem with Z-Bo and Acro, and lets face it, I'm not winning that fight. Again, I'm covering my bases for the just in case scenario. What do you think Acro gains by claiming that after a claimed cop already said that he had a red result on Toad? Mild town cred and a mislynch are the obvious ones. Again, way simpler for Toad to be scum.
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On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote: I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged? With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet)
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btw hapa, as far as general suspicion goes, have you seen what I've put forward recently?
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On November 26 2012 10:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote: I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged? With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet) Then why did you want healing, when there are people like Dieno who has taken 400+ damage and could actually USE the heal? Who said I couldn't use it?
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Keir, if you want me to comment on something specifically, point it out please. Hapa hasn't really requested my input on his read of me, and it's not like its for my benefit anyways.
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On November 26 2012 10:18 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:17 Keirathi wrote:On November 26 2012 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:12 Clarity_nl wrote: I actually didn't notice that last quote, Hapa. Did hopeless ever claim being damaged? With that, I'm off to bed. Sorry for a lazy day, it's not a lynch cycle so we have some time, tomorrow it's back to serious scumhunting. Sorry zbo for the confusion I just genuinely did not see what you were getting at. I did not mention taking damage, because no one has targeted, to my knowledge (yet) Then why did you want healing, when there are people like Dieno who has taken 400+ damage and could actually USE the heal? Who said I couldn't use it? So you took...self inflicted damage? Correct.
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I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time.
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On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo.
TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has).
As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask.
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On November 26 2012 10:46 iamperfection wrote: well hopeless how important to town would you say you are in regards to a heal? I honestly don't know. My self-inflictions aren't a fixed value, and the results are not predictable (yet). If I had to guess, 4/10 right now. Setup speculation could put me higher, but I'm not necessary for anything that I'm aware of.
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On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm? Toad claimed in response to TC's check: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p
He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: [quote] You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens.
My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time. I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus.
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On November 26 2012 11:01 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 10:58 Mementoss wrote:On November 26 2012 10:55 Promethelax wrote: Starting to think about actions, should we send them to Hassy now too? No it should be fine im back in action okay, excellent. Thanks. Hope, are you saying you did damage to yourself but don't know the result of that action? I know what happened the first time but I don't actually know what the results are until I get them. I only have one data point to infer what my ability is.
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On November 26 2012 11:15 Promethelax wrote: also: I read that post from Toad thought "oh cool so not voting Toad is like having a 500 HP vig shot on a vet that many people think is scummy; I'll vote elsewhere thanks" If you had kept your vote off him for a while we could have pressured him with his claimed role but no.
Why did you want the heal over Syllo/Dieno? Why did you think that you were more of a town asset than either of them? I'd say its probably worth another go, and I didn't really think about who could benefit more than me. I'm not a greater asset, now that you ask. And as for the 500hp vig shot, yes in hindsight probably not the best move if we could finish him off.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm? Toad claimed in response to TC's check: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: [quote] You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens. My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time. I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus. Ok the bolded makes absolutely no sense with your previous posts. Show nested quote +I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. Your "scumread" on Acro isn't dependent at all on Toad flipping town. It's not even part of your analysis. Hell I'm looking through your filter and I'm seeing all sorts of strange regarding your attitude on Toad. I'll post that in a minute, but I do want to know why you're suggesting your suspicion on Z-Bo/Acro is conditional on Toad flipping town.
Acro has a 1-shot role+alignment check on Toad. Its referencd in the post you quoted, through another quote via Draz, I neglected to emphasize it. I still ended with the conclusion that both Toad and I would flip town, and my hopes that our flips would be followed by pressure on Acro/Z-Bo.
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On November 26 2012 11:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 11:15 Promethelax wrote: also: I read that post from Toad thought "oh cool so not voting Toad is like having a 500 HP vig shot on a vet that many people think is scummy; I'll vote elsewhere thanks" If you had kept your vote off him for a while we could have pressured him with his claimed role but no.
Why did you want the heal over Syllo/Dieno? Why did you think that you were more of a town asset than either of them? I'd say its probably worth another go, and I didn't really think about who could benefit more than me. I'm not a greater asset, now that you ask. And as for the 500hp vig shot, yes in hindsight probably not the best move if we could finish him off. @Hapa: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm? Toad claimed in response to TC's check: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: [quote] You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens. My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time. I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus. Ok the bolded makes absolutely no sense with your previous posts. Show nested quote +I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. Your "scumread" on Acro isn't dependent at all on Toad flipping town. It's not even part of your analysis. Hell I'm looking through your filter and I'm seeing all sorts of strange regarding your attitude on Toad. I'll post that in a minute, but I do want to know why you're suggesting your suspicion on Z-Bo/Acro is conditional on Toad flipping town. Acro has a 1-shot role+alignment check on Toad. Its referencd in the post you quoted, through another quote via Draz, I neglected to emphasize it. I still ended with the conclusion that both Toad and I would flip town, and my hopes that our flips would be followed by pressure on Acro/Z-Bo. so you think TheChronicler is lying too? Not at the moment no, I've explained this already.
On November 26 2012 09:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 09:04 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 09:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:55 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:51 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 26 2012 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
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All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote: [quote]
do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I don't think my logic is flawed. My reasoning is that at least one of myself, you and Acro have a good chance to flip scum because we all a) Showed support of sandroba for party leader and b) voted for someone other than sandroba to lynch Both actions are rife with mafia motive. The fact that I, a member of the town, fall into that group does not absolve the other people in the same group. You attempting to exonerate yourself in this way is scummy. I also find it scummy that you were unable to see what I was pointing out until after mementoss updated the votecount. Based on the timestamps, I think you had time to see the votecount, realize you were caught in a lie and needed a way out, so you jump to discredit my logic since the facts were made certain. a) Like a billion of people, including confirmed townies. b) Also meaningless, as sand definitely had mafia on his wagon. Also, using a logic that includes you in the scum group is necessarily bad, because I can use that same exact logic and say that I'm town, ergo one of you two must be scum. So, yea, very weak OMGUS. The thing about that is that I expect to die and I expect you and Acro to live longer than I do. In the event that both Toad and I turn up town, well...hopefully someone remembers this exchange. wait...why is Toad coming up town? And why should we look at Zbo if that happens when there are two guys with claimed red checks on him one of whom has a pretty fishy check and the other of whom refuses to confirm if he can check other people. *shrug* I don't want Toad to flip town, but I see it as possible despite the copclaims could you explain why this is possible? First off, I think it's way simpler for Toad to be scum. In order for Toad to be town, the most plausible scenario would be that scum framed him night 1 and acro faked his "1-shot role+alignment check". If Toad flips scum, awesome. If he doesn't, I have a problem with Z-Bo and Acro, and lets face it, I'm not winning that fight. Again, I'm covering my bases for the just in case scenario.
On November 26 2012 11:32 Promethelax wrote: So, Hopeless, would you please get into the filters of Acro and Zbo and tell me what they are pushing as a scum team with Sand. What is it that that three man group is doing? Is TC a part of it? Why or why not?
You're just going to lynch Toad anyways, unless you plan to ignore two claimed redchecks.
If anyone is lying, the most likely suspect is Toad. If Toad flips town all of this becomes relevant. If he flips scum, I find a crowbar to get my foot out of my mouth. I'll gladly do the work if it looks like I have a shot of getting one of them lynched, but right now I think it would be a waste.
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On November 26 2012 11:41 Promethelax wrote: OKay so, just making sure I have this right, Acro and Zbo are both scum Toad and TC are town, Toad was framed by Acro/Zbo and Acro claimed to know Toad's role name and alignment because...? Because I'm insane. Deal with it. When Toad flips scum, have a field day with me, this is no longer productive.
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On November 26 2012 11:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 11:41 Promethelax wrote: OKay so, just making sure I have this right, Acro and Zbo are both scum Toad and TC are town, Toad was framed by Acro/Zbo and Acro claimed to know Toad's role name and alignment because...? Because I'm insane. Deal with it. When Toad flips scum, have a field day with me, this is no longer productive. nor are you. if you're town, try doing something useful? you're planning for the 1% and it's a dumb use of your time Yes sir...looking for connections to Toad now.
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On November 26 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessShow nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:37 Hapahauli wrote:On November 26 2012 11:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 11:15 Promethelax wrote: also: I read that post from Toad thought "oh cool so not voting Toad is like having a 500 HP vig shot on a vet that many people think is scummy; I'll vote elsewhere thanks" If you had kept your vote off him for a while we could have pressured him with his claimed role but no.
Why did you want the heal over Syllo/Dieno? Why did you think that you were more of a town asset than either of them? I'd say its probably worth another go, and I didn't really think about who could benefit more than me. I'm not a greater asset, now that you ask. And as for the 500hp vig shot, yes in hindsight probably not the best move if we could finish him off. @Hapa: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 11:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:05 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:52 Hapahauli wrote:@ HopelessWell first-off, while I'm interested in hearing your responses, I'm more interested in seeing you scumhunt. But that being said, there are some things I want to hear about: On November 26 2012 10:28 Hopeless1der wrote:I supported sandroba for party leader and I've failed to do anything in terms of scumhunting, I go on to defend sandroba from a lynch, and of course he flips scum. If you weren't getting scumvibes from me, you're giving me too much credit (or too little ) The townie motivation is...I thought I was right. I was clearly wrong as evidenced by sand's flip. This kind of thing can't be adequately defended against because I hadn't put any effort into the thread and it would come down to "because I said so" as my defense. Its a waste of time, and I'd rather acknowledge the fact that I look scummy and move on. P.S. This was not a ploy like the one I pulled day 1 in Looney, this is me being bad. The fact that I went after Z-Bo is because of the day 1 voting, he just happened to have the case against me at the time. The issue here is that you see "mafia motivation" in your own actions, which is really odd, given that a townie-Hopeless would have less doubts about his actions. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words, but it is a notable choice nonetheless. On November 26 2012 10:45 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 10:25 Hapahauli wrote: So Hopeless, since you're around, care to comment on my post as a whole? Any insight into your thoughts (particularly regarding TheChronicler and Toad at the time of your votes) would help.
In addition, you mentioned self-inflicted damage. Why didn't you disclose this? For Toad, on the off chance that he was telling the truth, I didn't want him taking damage. Otherwise, redcheck = lynch, and he's dead regardless of the damage he may take. It might have made it happen sooner if we aimed damage at him, but that's like playing into modkills. Secure the lynch if you want scum. If a vig helps you along the way, cool, but play to lynch imo. TC - He was getting pushed by Acro and Z-Bo and I thought he came off looking scummy. I didn't want to lynch sandroba, and TC insisted he was never planning on giving townreads or even using townreads to make his party, and waffled whether or not his plan was bad a couple times. I found it scummy, and the post I voted off of was him saying he'd vote for reasons that are not necessarily connected to being scum (number of votes someone has). As to the damage, its not like its possible to confirm it, so why claim it? I didn't know what Toad would do, but he admitted to having a heal, and I would like one, so what the hell, might as well ask. Uhh... that bolded part makes no sense. You didn't believe TheChronicler's check on Toad, but you believed Acro's check on toad. This would be fine and dandy if Acro wasn't your top scumread right now. Please explain. Also, who's your top scumread atm? Toad claimed in response to TC's check: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 11:50 Toadesstern wrote:When did you check Sandroba and when did you check me? Sandroba just flipped frame busdriver, just asking because I'm not mafia. I'm Johnny the attention-whore robot. I'm leader of a gang and therefore got the biggest ego in town. If I don't get 1 vote per day I take lots and lots of dmg. I don't want to get too much into detail there but I would have taken 500 damage yesterday had noone voted for me. Not entirely sure because of my internet going out but I wasn't able to ask Greymist because of that so I just wanted to be safe because my role already got changed once... Besides being able to literally kill myself I can use one of my machines and charge them for healing powers. I can only charge or heal, not both per night. I hit myself n1 for 100dmg and I should have targeted Hapa this cycle for 100 dmg getting a 2nd charge. Not sure if I can actually copy & paste my role, so I just described it and the best way to play it probably would have been to outright claim it d1 but I wanted to play it out, therefore I tried to be somewhat okayish d1, getting at least 1 vote (thx oats :3 ) and lurked d2, hoping that would do the trick to get a vote on me. It didn't so I started to behave more and more retarded by the minute until I had people voting for me :p Things that I have posted before: Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:24 Toadesstern wrote:On November 22 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (1): Kitaman27
Djodref (1): djodref
Sandroba (4): risk.nuke, Hopeless1der, Acrofales, kushm4sta
Dienosore (1): Dienosore
Toadesstern (1): Oatsmaster
Syllogism (4): Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, iamperfection, TheChronicler
Acrofales (1): Promethelax
Players who have yet to vote (12): CaveJohnson, Hapahauli, Z-BosoN, strongandbig, goodkarma, BioSC, Keirathi, syllogism, phagga, Adam4167, sandroba, Toadesstern
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Does that mean you can actually vote for yourself? I figured that's not possible oO My role says I need to be voted at least once a day. That's why I said I assumed you can't vote yourself. Greymist told me to change it to "you need to be voted once per cycle by someone OTHER than yourself" Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote: [quote] dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:and Chronicler, if you really think my mafia meta is to lurk or soft defende people (pretty much everything you said about me) you prooooobably should be voting me as well. I like people voting me, gives me some attention I'm craving for so much, it's in my blood... or well, whatever else :pIf you don't think so could you please stop the nonsensical "OMFG TOAD IS LURKING" or "OMFG TOAD IS SOFTDEFENDING" when I at least admitted the first one myself (the 2nd one was just bullshit) and when clearly neither of those is alignment indicating at all for me. You're a smurf right? You should know me and you should very well know that I'm Mr. HypnoToad, especially in the games I ended up playing as mafia.... LI, never forget oh and hi VE So do me a favor and actually ready my posts instead of what you're doing right now. Again, would have been best to outright claim it but I wanted to play it out. I had a bullshit postingrestriction last game as well and it freaked me the fuck out that I wasn't allowed to post for 48hours straight when I wanted to so badly. This time I just when chilling and thought I'll live with it instead of stressing me out how horrible this role is. So again: When did you check me and Sandro? And sorry for playing the way I did but I really had to. I don't assume you'll stop lynching me because I might as well make up some ridiculous bullshit and had this planned since the very first hour of the game I guess... Anyway don't listen to Kita, don't lynch Draz. I'm going to use my 200HP heal on someone tonight, I don't think I'll be able to gather another charge if the next cycle is a lynch again and we (somehow oO) got a red check on me after how I played :p He 'explains' how he doesn't need the vote to stick here: + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 14:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 13:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:26 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 13:17 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 13:09 Acrofales wrote:On November 25 2012 11:53 Toadesstern wrote: oh and obviously asking people yesterday about voting me please (I think I asked chronicler & acro) was as well because I still needed the one vote to dodge the 500dmg.
Oh and I'll run for leader, vote me please :3 So... you took 500 damage D1 then? nope. someone voted me. On November 25 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:57 Toadesstern wrote:On November 25 2012 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On November 25 2012 12:22 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 25 2012 12:14 Acrofales wrote: [quote] You're an idiot. He's lying. Oh, you're his scumbuddy? Because that's really the only way I see that statement being both an insult and true. You seem to be forgetting a bunch of things regarding that claim. 1) Toad is scummy as shit. 2) The role isn't necessarily blue - it could be red 3) The role is much more powerful than the other town-alligned roles we've seen so far. except for the part where I take 500 fucking damage if I don't get a vote on me every cycle... Cool. So that changes things why exactly? Hell I have a hard time you're telling the truth about that ability. Secondly, you still have yet to explain this: On November 25 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote: Just to get this straight Toad - you targeted me with 100 damage despite never mentioning me as a scumread in your filter? Ok buddy. I'm redistributing HP a little +EV. I'm hitting people who aren't going to be protected above anything else. I even hit myself n1 to get that charge. Probably (?) would not have gotten the charge had I targeted Sandro because he was lynched. Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal Well no I'm not. Okay, lets entertain the hypnotoad for a little bit, because I'm bored. You are hereby claiming that either TheChronicler and I are both scum and lying, or you were bussed/framed/whatever two nights in a row. I can understand N2, because I was ramping up the heat on you, but N1 as well? Lol. The other thing wrong with your claim is that there were no votes on you D1. At some point Oats voted for you, but at the end of the day there was nobody voting for you... unless you're saying you have a secret doublevoting scumbuddy of course. am I allowed to quote my pm? It says at any point during the day included in the party or get a vote. I asked Greymist about it d1 and he said a single vote on me is enough as long as it's someone elses. I don't need to be in the party and it doesn't have to be like that at the end of the cycle because of the "at any time during the day". Did Chronicle claim to check me n1 or was it n2 as well? I mean if it's n1 there's no point in talking and you'll lynch me either way and I'll just ask you to watch at him after I flip. I highly doubt you're going to stop lynching me even if he says / said n2. I just claimed to get you know, 4 days ahead of time (assuming lynches and events alternate) instead of the moment I flip and have huge chaos. Right now there's not much I can ruin because people will vote for a someone out of the d1-party anyways. It was more a matter of 'what if Toad is telling the truth' than whether or not I believed TC's claim (or Acro's). Very rarely is it a good idea to ignore a claimed redcheck (grush notwithstanding) but its a themed game, crazy shit happens. My scumreads on either Acro or Z-Bo are very dependent on Toad flipping town. If he flips Queen Zeal like Acro says, I eat my words and try to find scum elsewhere, but one thing at a time. I've yet to go through properly, but I remember Z-Bo being suspicious of Toad because his posting didn't match his LVII game where Toad was an assassin. If he was right, he called it really early and I'd call it an unlikely bus. Ok the bolded makes absolutely no sense with your previous posts. Show nested quote +I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought:+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum. Your "scumread" on Acro isn't dependent at all on Toad flipping town. It's not even part of your analysis. Hell I'm looking through your filter and I'm seeing all sorts of strange regarding your attitude on Toad. I'll post that in a minute, but I do want to know why you're suggesting your suspicion on Z-Bo/Acro is conditional on Toad flipping town. Acro has a 1-shot role+alignment check on Toad. Its referencd in the post you quoted, through another quote via Draz, I neglected to emphasize it. I still ended with the conclusion that both Toad and I would flip town, and my hopes that our flips would be followed by pressure on Acro/Z-Bo. Wait you concluded that Toad would flip town? Where? I need your response to the above. I can't find where you "conclude" this. Secondly... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=172#3435Why were you so confident in Acro's claim early on? Also, why were you so seemingly confident that Toad was scum early on in the cycle?
1. The fantasy world where my reads make sense. Toad has to flip town for my suspicions against Acro to mean anything.
2. That wasn't confidence, that was responding to a claimed redcheck and anger at Acro for calling me an idiot while he's sitting on near confirmation that he's right. Now, I realize its from Draz, but does the following not make sense:On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real.
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all this talk of sleep is making me tired. I think I'll follow suit.
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On November 27 2012 02:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 02:15 Adam4167 wrote: Yes, it is completely devoid of logic. I imagine s&b also picked up on my breadcrumb from earlier: Aww shucks, how'd I miss that one. I'm so bad.
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote: Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless: 1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-mafia, Hopeless needs to get insta-lynched for repeatedly speculating so. 2) If Toad flips scum, I think Hopeless is town (or at the very least non-mafia). Him constantly speculating that Toad might flip green (in this scenario) is a really odd path of analysis for someone to take if they knew Toad was mafia. Possibly mafia attempting to contribute, but even then, it's still not something I'd expect mafia to do. Also, he was reasonably quick to defend himself, and his statements seem consistent with a mentality (albeit a strange one). I have no issue with either of those statements, with the exception that in case 1) I hope someone checks me and realizes my mind operates in a drunken haze of sillyness.
Seconded on the Z-bo difficulties. In the event that case 2) is true (Toad = town) I'd like to draw attention to: + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... On November 23 2012 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to? On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote: @Hopeless I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people. I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote: @Hopeless I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people. I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc Yeah, except he was SK in a reasonably normal setup. Its a bad benchmark for looking for town toad. EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways
There's also his vote on Toad here:
On November 25 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote: Regarding my vote
I know I said earlier that I expected other people to easily be able to figure out sand, but I never figured it'd be this fast, this easy, and with so little discussion. I really don't like how easily his wagon took off, especially given the fact that syllo, who is basically telling people to sheep him, has disappeared (despite saying he was going to be more active today). This smells really fishy, and is not how I expected it to go down, at all.
Also, it grew extremely quickly, so either mafia decided to bus him fast or they actually want him dead. I'm inclined to think the latter, given that he's a strong player.
Additionally, sand seems to be heading into modkill-land. I really think this is a wasted lynch, especially when he said that he was going to be afk.
Right now I'd rather lynch prome (or even iamp), but I can live with a Toad lynch. Since we need to consolidate, and I don't have much time right now, I'll just go ahead and vote toad. Like I noted earlier, his play is totally different from when he was trying to look townie, and Acro's case is convincing enough. I'll comment more when I have more time. Have to go right now, but will post from cell phone should anyone have any questions.
Anyways, ##Vote Toaddestern.
His vote is really weak, and at the bolded, Toad was trying to look town while he was not town in LVII. Z-Boson looks scummy to me regardless of what Toad flips. Z-Bo has yet to further explain his read of Toad (kinda pointless with 2 redchecks, so I'll ignore this)
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On November 27 2012 03:50 Hapahauli wrote: Oooh I like the stuff that Adam posted on Z-Boson. I'll have to look into that when I get home.
Also I came to a bit of a conclusion on Hopeless: 1) If Toad somehow magically flips non-Queen Zeal SNIP
On November 25 2012 13:20 Acrofales wrote: Zzzz, I'm tired of your lies. I have a 1-shot role+alignment check. Used it on you last night. You're Queen Zeal
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On November 27 2012 04:10 Hapahauli wrote: @ Hopeless
Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Toad needs to flip Queen Zeal specifically, or Acro was misinformed in some way.
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Time for a drink. *crosses fingers*
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gg marv. Response to TC's case (my responses in red):
On November 27 2012 08:00 TheChronicler wrote:My case will be on Hopeless1der. A lot of the things that make him my top scum read (besides Toad) are things that have taken on a different context in hindsight.
1) His vote for himself taking it off sylo. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. I don't get it. Here is his justification. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result What things? He even says his vote doesn't have anything to do with his role. So what things? Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 08:01 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 08:00 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 07:55 phagga wrote:On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. What do you hope to achieve? What is your reasoning for this? I honestly don't know, but I don't see a 10 point swing coming, so I feel safe doing this for the sake of seeing if things happen as a result Does your vote have an influence on your role? I am not currently aware of any such influence. I'm an explorer. I said I was not currently aware, but my role PM explicitly denies me knowledge of my role abilities. I have one ability that in turn grants me new (unknown) abilities. As such, venturing off on my own (voting myself) seemed appropriate to my role, I took a guess at 'things that might do stuff based on my role'. It didn't do anything, but it was worth a shot. My actions had no effect on the election.Next up we have his actions towards Sandro, who we now know was scum. These things might not point to scum otherwise, but with a confirmed flip I think it's telling. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote: In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns) On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3) Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one. My setup exploration was unproductive by the way. Is this a soft defense? Is it a slight accusation? I don't know, in fact it just looks like a bunch of nothing. If you still need to read Sandroba why do you feel the need to point out Looney Lynching mafia? And the ever famous scum pushing something off line, "I'm going to go look into that one" regarding his interactions with Sylo. Did he come back and talk about what he found? No. ...You quoted my sand read further down. It being wrong doesn't mean it never happened. Not referencing the syllo interaction directly is the only thing that holds water here. Also, I make note of my "setup exploration" refering to the errant vote I dropped on myself.
Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all... + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:36 risk.nuke wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote:On November 22 2012 23:56 Toadesstern wrote: @both: Yeah kind of. I really think that the most likely scenario is that either Sandro or Syllo is mafia. And I am trying to figure things out, hence the Kita vote :p What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event? What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy? Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice. What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it. That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? what do you mean I'm asking the wrong question? And what questions are you referring to? What the hell are you talking about? The fact that you asked about Goodkarma rather than why I'm voting Kita without reasoning. I would have thought the 2nd one should be the more interesting part. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:35 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Perhaps I don't remember your play too well, then. Sure you do illogical things, and half the time I don't understand what your posts are saying, but usually they are part of some big show. I don't think I'm wrong to think this. There's a lack of HypnoToad so far, don't you think? For all I know what you're criticising is "HypnoToad". Remember the game I was the phone booth mason in which you were mafia? I'd say that game was a characteristic "screw this I'm board, let's HypnoToad"-game to the extreme. I'm not planning on doing that again but that's what "HypnoToad" is about. Yeah there was no big fireworks this time around but it's still early in the game, isn't it? So I'm really having troubles with your judgement here. You're telling me there was little HypnoToad in this game so far and yet you're criticising me right now? That just not making sense and again, I feel like you should know better of all the people. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 00:33 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:30 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:23 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:20 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On November 23 2012 00:12 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:11 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 00:03 Toadesstern wrote:On November 23 2012 00:00 Acrofales wrote: [quote] What if Kita is the actual scum, but they're waiting for some gullible town, so their bandwagon seems less suspect when it utterly fails the first event?
What if you and Kita are scum together and your feigned naiveté is a calculated ploy?
Why Kita, and not GK? Hell, why not Dieno? If your entire reason for voting is that he has no bandwagon behind him, Dieno seems by far the best choice.
What is your reason for voting for KITA? And not your reason for voting against Sandro and Syllo, which is a different question. dude I just answered that with the post you quoted... Well not the 2nd question because that's obviously bullshit but everything else. Okay, let me rephrase: Your ONLY reason for thinking Kita is town is because you think one of Sandro/Syllo is scum. You are therefore blindly following him, implying you think he is not only town, but his judgement is good (and you therefore think Prom, Dieno and I are town as well). Is this a correct assessment of your recent thought process? nope I would like to know why you are seeking to make yourself irrelevant in this town. What is your motivation for making obscure posts without reasoning, and therefore leading town to distrust or ignore what you say? Why do you want this, Toad? I still need to find the guy I want to vote for. Syllo's most recent post was decent and so was Acros. Acro's apparently a bit on the slow side but that's fine. Risk is asking the wrong questions and you are suprisingly suprised about something you know very well and you should definitely not need to ask the questions you did. I would have expected you to just tell me to shut up and stop it without asking why I'm doing it.
That begs the question: why do you feel the need to emphasize on something like that when you shouldn't have to? Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. If you still need to find a guy you want to vote for, why have you made a placeholder vote? In your first post of the game you said you would only be voting for someone you definitely had a townread on. Your play definitely needs emphasizing because it is out of character for you and it is quite important to know why. Okay marv. How many games did we play together? Tell me just one game in which I don't do things with lacking reasoning to get some reactions. I mean I wouldn't put it that way: Why would you expect this at all? The Toad I know for either alignment doesn't seek to marginalise himself like you seem to want to be doing. because that's hardly the intention but I'm doing that literally every single game. Hence my suprise about why you're so puzzled of all people. Oh god, is this Toad the drama queen feeling unloved because he didn't get elected party leader, so will now throw a temper tantrum by playing badly until the rest of town listens to him? Dude, if you knew :p I'm going to run to leader every single day from now on. I have to, it's my nature Having played only a couple games with Toad, I'm not all that familiar with HypnoToad. Is that kind of what you're talking about Z-Bo? Can you link a couple town games that you think he isnt living up to? And this piece of work. This one actually is near null for me, but what does it accomplish? Was zbo not descriptive enough when he said he was disturbed by Toad's lack of posting? This is a post that once again, does nothing. Null on its own, but when taken in the context of this post... Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote: EBWOP: he was an assassin, not SK but anyways So you have the knowledge of Toad's actual role name in a game but don't know what zbo is talking about when referencing him? Z-Bo referenced a game in which Toad was NOT TOWN and used the fact that they DID NOT MATCH as evidence that Toad is NOT TOWN. This logic is completely false and I specifically asked for TOWN TOAD games, which Z-bo was unwilling to provide.
Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:11 Hopeless1der wrote: Oats, you're lucky I have no new info to speculate with, or I'd derail the shit out of things with setup speculation. So... we're lucky you didn't have anything else to shit up the thread with, so you're just going to fill it with more nothing. That makes sense. Marv got to be snippy too. You're reaching with this point.
Onto his defense of sand... Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 00:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I've read through sand's filter and I'm not content to lynch him today. I would like to see him scumhunt, but he called half the party early in the day On November 21 2012 17:00 sandroba wrote:On November 21 2012 15:59 syllogism wrote: Sandro who do you think is [most likely to be] town so far? I'll do better and give you 2 I have a pretty good town read on: Diodude and oatsmaster. @Djoref I'll try to put in an effort and explain my reads properly when the time comes, but I'm gonna wait a little more before I do that. 'When the time comes' would most likely have been when he was close to being elected leader. However, his activity dropped and we shifted to syllo. On November 22 2012 17:26 sandroba wrote: @syllo that was me quickly reading through the thread and answering stuff after going out. I ignored your mafia question because honestly I'm not putting too much thought into it. When I can't acertain the dude is town I pretty much dismiss it till later, since so far we can't really do much about it. I'm kinda hurt that you think there is a >50% chance that I'm mafia. </3 On this, I feel syllo is best suited to legitimately make the case against sandroba today, but given that we wanted a town-party, I don't find his reluctance to give reads that scummy. I don't see big mafia motive behind sand's actions thus far. His proposed party is consistent: On November 22 2012 17:29 sandroba wrote: I'll probably be taking oats/die/kush (if he doesnt die). kush ended up dying and we didn't hear much more from sand on the topic, but the fact remains, he picked 2 members of the party quite early. On November 22 2012 17:38 sandroba wrote: @gk from what he claimed marv needs to have less than 30 hp for him to die? Well I'd rather just wait then think about it. It's pretty lucky that I can get those 3 tbh, that would be ideal imo. This was the only post that jumped out at me as completely useless filler reading through his filter. It doesn't really do anything to further a read, and doesn't really think through the likelyhood of kush dying. It'll stick in the back of my mind, but I don't want to lynch over 1 trivial post and a lack of activity. I need to go find someone I do want to lynch. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but calling half of the party that gets taken shouldn't really be an accomplishment when there's a possibilty that he's going to flip scum. Why didn't hopeless consider this possibility? And WE shifted to sylo? Sure you jumped on him, but then (referencing him earlier) you jumped right back off. Again, why? You never really said. This post isn't even a very convincing defense. And you need to find someone you do want to lynch? Sweet, who's it gonna be? After not finding sandroba a good lynch target I'm going to assume it takes a lot for you to lynch someone... Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 24 2012 06:40 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:24 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:21 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:On November 24 2012 06:17 TheChronicler wrote: I still like a Sandro lynch. My problem eith him is that I think he knows too much. He's also got the most people consolidated on him. How the fuck does that make him scum? It doesn't? Why read into it like that? You were giving reasons for why you wanted to lynch him. Our goal is to lynch scum. Therefore the bolded part of your post is completely, 100% irrelevant. So why did you even say it? No, I was giving reasons for a Sandro lynch. There's a difference there. It went 1) reason I think he's scum 2) reason I think he's still a good lynch candidate you mean you'd lynch for reasons OTHER than being scum? ##Vote: TheChroniclerp.s. I've been skimming the thread, Chronicler is very scummy looking, I'll be back in 5ish hours to, you know, actually play the game instead of sitting by the sidelines. Oh... I guess it doesn't. I guess all it takes is for you to "misunderstand" a post. The REAL telling thing here is the bolded. Where was it? It never happened. You never actually made a case against me. And then we're back to more of the same... This is the strongest part of your case. I read sand as not likely scum and I read you as likely scum. I was also remarkably lazy, so yeah...
Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 11:45 Hopeless1der wrote:I still don't know if I buy this though. Seems like he used more than 1 ability last night. These abilities are from the original invoker from the Warcraft Dota. Super old, and quite frankly its retarded that draz fails to explain this better. Is this for real? You quoted actual invoker abilities as if they'd be relevant to this game? This post is worse than filler, it's actively trying to get the trhead to talk about something irrelevant. Acro was calling draz a liar because he looked up Invoker (Dota 2) and didn't find anything close to the roles he claimed. That's because they were from the Old Invoker from Warcraft Dota. I was correcting that before A) more time was wasted on draz and B) to demonstrate that he COULD be telling the truth about his role.+ Show Spoiler +On November 24 2012 11:40 Acrofales wrote:Why do you mention me? Anyway, what I really want to comment on is Drazerk's role and abilities. I can make no sense of it. Just wandered over to the Dota 2 wiki and Invoker has: Cold Snap Ghost Walk Ice Wall Tornado Deafening Blast Forge Spirit EMP Alacrity Chaos Meteor Sun Strike. First off: I don't see any "Betrayal" and a wiki search doesn't give me anything either. The other abilities claimed are Lightning Shield (not an Invoker ability), Firestorm (ditto), Chaos Meteor. What Chaos Meteor does in Dota 2 is drops a meteor from the sky which does damage and then rolls around a little bit doing more damage if you're dumb enough to stick around. I fail to see how this can be implemented in this game, other than as a simple nuke. So, how about you claim what your abilities do, instead of your Dota 2 analogies, which may make sense to you, but don't to anybody else.
I'm not going to quote today, because I'm probably being too biased at this point. Today you've decided to try and place a vote on Toad to keep him from taking damage under some sort of far off possibility. So you're saying you're going to potentially SAVE someone who would otherwise take 500 dmg, and has two red checks?!? I don't know about you, but I couldn't take a 500 dmg hit right now. Why were you trying to save him? His death means we get a real lynch tomorrow. I've definitely explained this already. If you don't agree, that's fine, show me why its scummy.Oh and there's this... Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Why are you trying to cast doubt on acro? Trying to get him lynched? I find it funny that you and Hapa interpret this post 100% the opposite of each other (Acro is lying, or Acro is telling the truth), but in both cases I'm scum.
Could it be because... Day 2 actions 200 gold Popcorn You target 2 players. you will be told if they are the same alignment or different alignments. Day 2 results: hopeless1der and acrofales, different. [b]Bring it Bitches[/b
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SERIOUSLY...I get the rest of the tags right, and then right at the end POW, I fail life. Jeez.
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On November 27 2012 09:09 phagga wrote: oh, one last thing, clarity or dieno as party leader? We can vote syllo if I'm not mistaken. Also, I took 75 damage (not self-inflicted)
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On November 27 2012 09:10 Promethelax wrote: Syllo: you keep popping into the thread to say that you have really good reasons for thinking I'm scum, not commenting on anything else, contradicting yourself and vanishing. Stop doing that. I don't have the town cred to fight you but based on your suspicions I'll probably be flipped before you so you better have some damn good reasons for being an idiot or everyone will know that you are scum. I've been thinking about your claimed damage n1, everyone else will have to decide after I flip if mafia kp actually could get through my ability. I now think that you probably fake claimed the damage.
Prom, I think I already asked/you kind of explained, but suppose I had an ability that didn't explicitly target players (eg all party members take 10 damage). Do you think your ability would stop that? It clearly stops specific targeting (marv was blocked because of you, right?) regardless of having multiple targets. Alternatively would it stop a reflection/reaction ability (Suppose Syllo targeted someone with: "players that target you take 10 damage")?
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On November 27 2012 09:25 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:22 Promethelax wrote:On November 27 2012 09:19 TheChronicler wrote: Ok who gets the reward, party leader or the entire team. I thought it was the whole team?
If it's just party lead we select a party lead from the winning team and we should have 4/4 team that has already won us an event, right? It's just 1/2 of the previous team, and we can take people from the original team as well. How can we lose? the party leader gets the reward (from what Syllo said). Do you think that taking Kier makes sense? We've, presumably, had bonuses every day because of Frog/Robo but would not have those in the end of time. Where does everyone get this assumption that we had a bonus to our success chances with an era-specific character in the party? There are OTHER bonuses (notice marv's), that you get for being in a party during your home era, but I see nothing to suggest your chances of success go up. You also don't see Marv's hidden event number, but I'm sure he has one. We don't know, and we shouldn't be basing decisions around era claims, we should be (and have been) basing them on town-reads. Era claims are just bonus points to potentially gain more.
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TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town.
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On November 27 2012 09:46 Promethelax wrote: GK, fair enough. I think it is time our viggies got aimed at scum instead of lurkers. We don't know we'll get a lynch we do know that Toad is scum. No we dont.
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On November 27 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote: Grawefakwjehfk I want to lynch someone T_T
Oh well.
@ Hopeless Curious - did Toad end up healing you? No record of a heal. I took 75 damage. I think I was healed, but the amount doesn't match Toad's claim.
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On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote: TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta. I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware.
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Jeez children relax. DIENO, DAMAGE REPORT ON PARTY CANDIDATES PLEASE!!
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On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: I would like to run for party leader
My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.
Why you can trust me I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum.
On November 27 2012 10:09 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: I would like to run for party leader
My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.
Why you can trust me I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. i don't think we should be treating the party election like a dt check given the relative number of parties vs lynches so far i feel like winning the events is the most important thing so i only want people who i think are town to be in the party If we're using it as a DT check, I'm first in line, so you can sit back down Hapa. Also, I'm not even asking to be leader, just to tag along.
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On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: I would like to run for party leader
My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.
Why you can trust me I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo. Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro. Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this. I am vehemently against TC or Acro on the party, similar to how they are opposed to me being on the party. In addition, you are introducing two new players to the party. Not something I'm down with.
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On November 27 2012 10:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Well I got an item, it wasnt gold, I dont get bonuses for my ability based on whether Im in a party so yeah I would prefer to be kept out of the party. NOOOO MARV!! I WILL TAKE REVENGE ON CLARITY !!! AND GMARSHAL!! I don't want syllo or Oats on this party. Items appear to be tied to the party leader.
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On November 27 2012 10:15 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:12 Hapahauli wrote:On November 27 2012 10:10 Keirathi wrote:On November 27 2012 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: I would like to run for party leader
My party will be Dienosaur, Kei, and either Chronicler or Acro If you for whatever reason do not feel safe with Chronicler/Acro, I can add Oatsmaster in that slot.
Why you can trust me I think the parties I proposed above are as near confirmed town as we can get in this situation. Given this player pool, you can trust me. Why? Because if we failed the mission, I would be holding a neon-sign saying "LYNCH ME." This is suicidal for me to do as scum. I see no reason to put 2 non successful party members in the party today (You, and Chronicler/Acro). And, you couldn't replace Acro/Chronicler with Oats. The only possible way you could replace them would be with syllo. Oh I totes confused names for some reason. Yes Syllo instead of Chronicler/Acro. Whaddya think? I'm in a position where I'm not under suspicion, and I (as hypothetical scum) would only have everything to lose by presenting myself like this. you have nothing to lose at all. Note how Toad confirmed himself as scum and is still around. NO ONE VOTE TOAD! I want to vote Toad purely out of spite. No one is confirmed anything except for marv and kush.
Hey Toad, you still need a vote to prevent damage?
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On November 27 2012 10:31 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 27 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote: Grawefakwjehfk I want to lynch someone T_T
Oh well.
@ Hopeless Curious - did Toad end up healing you? No record of a heal. I took 75 damage. I think I was healed, but the amount doesn't match Toad's claim. What do you mean think It could have been damage prevention, as opposed to an actual heal. The net effect was an apparent 75 damage but I don't know what caused the reduction.
On November 27 2012 10:32 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 09:56 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 27 2012 09:49 Acrofales wrote:On November 27 2012 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote: TC has claimed Acro and I are opposite alignments. AT LEAST one of them is scum to me. I think its more likely to be Acro. I know we don't want to lose the event and that I'm probably considered more likely to be scum than TC or Acro, but I'd like to be on the party for the sake of "proving" I'm town. Dafuq? Like seriously. DAFUQ? I cannot get my head around how mindblowingly stupid this post is. 1. OPPOSITE alignment. Unless you have reason to believe there are 2 scumteams, that means 1 of us is town, the other scum OR 1 of us is town, the other 3rd party, OR 1 of us is scum and the other 3rd party. It *might* be possible for 2 third parties to be considered "opposite alignment". No clue on the specifics there. So no, there is AT MOST 1 scum between you and me. For the record, that scum is you. 2. You think? Really? I KNOW I'm not scum. I don't have to "think that it may perhaps be slightly more likely that I am not scum", because I fucking know it. This overly cautious phrasing is you claiming scum, because you cannot figure out a town mindset. 3. Yeah, trolololol. Lets fail the event, because Hopeless1derp wants to "prove" he's town. Once again, thinking like a townie? Failed. Miserably I might add. Verdict: scumPS. The failure to think like a townie is what I caught this guy on in Acme, so it even fits his meta. I know I'm town. I'm only proving it to the rest of you. You're a dead man upon my flip, as I'm sure you're aware. What do you think about the possibility of one of you being framed, or even the possibility for TheChronicler to lie ? Of course possible, but I don't like the way Acro claimed his check on Toad (took way too long) and his aggression in general has him making insulting comments and evoking emotional responses, generally discouraging thoughts or discussion from players because they are 'stupid'. TC could be lying, but it seems like its a harder role to lie about. One-Shot-Role+Alignment Cop (One-Shot anything) can't be further verified with the exception of flipping Toad. Framer's would have had to target Toad or Sandroba N1 and then Me or Acro N2. Its a lot more work for TC to be scum in this situation, but it is possible. No matter the situation, I see Acro as the most likely scum between Acro/TC/Me Toad town - TC may be lying, I know I'm town, Acro's claim was poorly timed Toad scum - TC seems to be telling the truth, I know I'm town, Acro is scum if I trust TC's claim.
We still need to see to it that Toad dies in order to get anywhere further on this discussion. Unless Acro is claiming 3rd party (which it seems like he is), he's my top scumread, besides Toad having redchecks against him.
On November 27 2012 11:42 Dienosore wrote: Just one more question before I head back to lurk in the shadows...
Should we be concerned that Clarity pushed Marv out of the car, DESPITE MY BRILLIANT PINK RIBBON PLAN? I don't want to be looking at the flavor for clues, especially since Cycle 3 was (and still is) missing for so long.
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I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves:
- Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event.
Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it.
I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons:
Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum
I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot.
My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: Keirathi
Also, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans.
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On November 27 2012 12:51 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. Care to explain the bolded? Hmm...yeah that was a brainfart. Unless the event itself can steal items, there's no reason to exclude them. That line of thought should only have prevented them from being leader.
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Anyways, I'm going to bed. See you all tomorrow, with probably another 100+ posts to catch up on.
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On November 27 2012 13:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:33 iamperfection wrote: Actually answer this hopeless were you healed or not i don't see why you would say think. hopeless answer this please I did+ Show Spoiler +On November 27 2012 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 10:31 iamperfection wrote:On November 27 2012 09:55 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 27 2012 09:52 Hapahauli wrote: Grawefakwjehfk I want to lynch someone T_T
Oh well.
@ Hopeless Curious - did Toad end up healing you? No record of a heal. I took 75 damage. I think I was healed, but the amount doesn't match Toad's claim. What do you mean think It could have been damage prevention, as opposed to an actual heal. The net effect was an apparent 75 damage but I don't know what caused the reduction.
SNIP , I don't know if it was a heal or a damage prevention (like Marv's bless ability). I know that I should have taken more than 75 damage from my own ability, so someone either healed it or prevented it from occurring in the first place, and I don't know which one, hence "I think I was healed", especially since I requested one from Toad and it was in the front of my mind, especially after Hapa asked me. K srsly bedtime. Laptop turning off now.
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On November 28 2012 00:21 Djodref wrote: Ok, I'm going to follow marv last advice and use some KISS.
Toad is scum. Iamp and Clarity are both town with protective roles. TheChronicler is town and says his truth. Prom is town and says his truth. Acro is 3rd party and Hopeless is town If Hopeless is town then Z-Bo might be scum.
Adam is more likely to be town than scum. I'm very uncomfortable with VE.
There is some 3rd party or scum among kita and CJ ?
Except the part concerning Prome, would anybody agree or disagree on some points ?
I've made one change to this post. I'm not scum. Also, Z-Bo being scum isn't really tied to me the way you've phrased it, but sure. Everything else, I agree is the simplest explanation.
What are the thoughts on killing off 3rd party in lieu of scum? Our job is to kill Lavos, and while hunting scum makes Lavos appear sooner, we don't know if that's a good thing. Either way, we don't win just by killing off scum. Basically I'm asking if I should be trying to get Acro killed or not.
On November 28 2012 00:39 iamperfection wrote: hapa i don't see your dmg report after day 1 where was it? He didn't report day1 damage
On November 27 2012 23:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 23:42 iamperfection wrote: which means hapa wasn't dmg cycle 1 I assure you I was. If you don't believe me, I claimed 100 damage pretty early on in the cycle and Toad mentioned he shot me as a "+EV shot" or something (before he was confirmed scum to the thread). So where's the theory here? That Toad and I are scumbuddies? That he didn't just shoot me in self-preservation after I was one of the few to press for his lynch D2? This was cycle 2, not cycle 1. Aside from that, his total damage claimed checks out, but his "lie" about when the damage took place is sketchy.
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On November 28 2012 01:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote: I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.
I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand:Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. you are not listening. say you took 20 dmg and i healed you. You would get you took 20 dmg and you were healed you took no damage cycle1
That would mean someone prevented some amount of damage on me last night.
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On November 28 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote: If you're third party and you're good for town why don't you want to say what you want to do, you're asking us to trust you leaving you alive is in towns best interest. What third party have 1-shot cop. If Toad flips Queen Zeal, I think he's telling the truth. His filter has slipped his being 3rd party before that post.
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On November 28 2012 01:40 Acrofales wrote: Also, @Chronicler: please use your parity cop check sensibly next time. I liked your first check, but how about you keep the chain going instead of creating crazy speculation until someone flips. Check someone against someone who is either as close to confirmed town as we can get (Dienosore springs to mind) or confirmed scum (Toad). The latter is obviously more useful, because it actually finds scum, instead of 3P. Your check on Hopeless1derp is now completely useless, because it says nothing of whether he's scum or town. Stop that please. It's needlessly disrespectful.
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On November 28 2012 02:06 Hapahauli wrote: Hm I'm inclined to believe Acro here. He fits the profile of the classic "pro-town but slightly-off" profile of a 3rd party. Lotsa scumhunting, but some weird things in his filter that aren't necessarily mafia-motivated.
Also, him going after Toad so hard (and being one of the first to do so) seems pretty unlikely if Toad flips red.
Him being scum is unlikely, regarding that last line?
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On November 28 2012 02:19 phagga wrote: I object on Prom or Hopeless being in the party. I lean on syllos side when it comes to prom, I can follow his arguments and agree with them.
Hopeless behaviour about him wanting to be in the party this day looks really scum motivated. If he knows himself that people doubt his townieness, there is no reason for him to be wanting in the party as town.
I feel unsure about Djo being on the party. He has been shown erratic behaviour and speculation that was useless. I'd rather not have him in the party.
I look forward to hear from z-boson again.
I disagree that my behavior looks strictly scum motivated, there are town motives as well: Townies want to be on the party. I see it as a way to clear my name so that people stop discussing me as a lynch candidate because I know that it is likely to end in my death. While the discussion will hopefully be helpful in finding scum after I flip, it comes at the cost of a townie. Depending on our lynch availability we can't afford to be wasting it on me and I want to find a way to confirm or deny the accusation against me. Being selected to be on the event party is an opportunity to do so.
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On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told
You took 50 damage
You were healed. Someone felt I was worth protecting, and I was not healed. I dealt more than 75 damage to myself, and I have no idea if anyone attacked me.
I am going to be untargetable due to my unlocked ability tonight, assuming I use it (I'm gonna use it, but I have the choice not to). There is a secondary function that I am going to withhold for now. Don't bother doing anything to me tonight, as I am untouchable by ANY targeted ability.
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On November 28 2012 02:31 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 28 2012 02:19 phagga wrote: I object on Prom or Hopeless being in the party. I lean on syllos side when it comes to prom, I can follow his arguments and agree with them.
Hopeless behaviour about him wanting to be in the party this day looks really scum motivated. If he knows himself that people doubt his townieness, there is no reason for him to be wanting in the party as town.
I feel unsure about Djo being on the party. He has been shown erratic behaviour and speculation that was useless. I'd rather not have him in the party.
I look forward to hear from z-boson again.
I disagree that my behavior looks strictly scum motivated, there are town motives as well: Townies want to be on the party. I see it as a way to clear my name so that people stop discussing me as a lynch candidate because I know that it is likely to end in my death. While the discussion will hopefully be helpful in finding scum after I flip, it comes at the cost of a townie. Depending on our lynch availability we can't afford to be wasting it on me and I want to find a way to confirm or deny the accusation against me. Being selected to be on the event party is an opportunity to do so. But you do understand that town will not want the risk to take you along, right? I mean, it must be obvious that if town generally sees you as null/scum, then you will not be taken along. Therefore coming forward and saying that you need to be with the party to prove you're town is nonsensical. However, realising that you have been figured out as scum and martyring by failing an event for town seems quite a reasonable idea. Finally, you want to prove you are town? Why don't you show interest in the game? (and with this I mean generally, not only when you are accused of being scum). Why don't you try to find the scum amidst us? Acro just did you a favor by claiming third party, as it means you can actually be town without theChronicler lying. However, you can also still be scum. It's up to you to prove to us now that your town through your behaviour.
I do understand why town wont risk it, and point taken. I just wanted to be clear that there is a town motivated explanation for my actions. I'm trying to maximize the use of our potential lynches, and possibly any town KP we might have. As for my scumhunting, I rely way too much on flips to figure out my scumreads. Z-Bo is now my top scum read, but Toad is still getting flipped first.
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On November 28 2012 03:28 Acrofales wrote: Okay, Greymist is here, so I guess I couldn't kill the golem. Maybe I'm the wrong guy, or maybe the countdown has nothing to do with the golem.
Any other ideas for the countdown and the weird time between the numbers?
I tried looking at the timestamps as numbers rather than times and that made no sense either. I can't think of a reason for posting a countdown unless we are supposed to react to it in some way.
Well either no one knows, or the select few don't want us to know. If it is the Golem Overlord, he's just going to flee anyways so we don't need to worry about it. Other countdowns include the Guardian from Arris Dome (2300AD), Azala+BlackTyrano (65000000BC) and Rust Tyrano (600AD)
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On November 28 2012 03:48 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 03:30 TheChronicler wrote:On November 28 2012 03:06 Acrofales wrote:On November 28 2012 03:03 TheChronicler wrote:On November 28 2012 02:38 Acrofales wrote: ... Are you the guy who has to kill me? Someone has to kill you and you claimed? How about you read my claim. It's explained there. /VERY tired of people not reading the thread. Are you referring to this part of your claim? "because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me" I'm not seeing what you could be referring to otherwise, and I still don't understand why you claimed. You say the cat was out of the bag, but it was all speculation. The cat WAS out of the bag. Speculation or not, there were at least 3 people thinking I was 3P. Scumteam probably already had it figured even earlier. Djodref basically phrased his question oddly, but he did ask me whether I was 3P. Saying no would have made things worse if I ever have to claim in the future, which was looking increasingly likely with the parity check. The parity check alone also weighed in on my decision. Better to claim 3P now and get that evidence off the table against Hopeless1der. I think he's scum. I think he should be killed. But I don't want people killing him because of your check, and I definitely don't want people going after ME if he were to flip town. Claiming 3P afterwards would have looked terrible. "Scum trying to get out of being lynched" would be the first thing that would come to my mind if I were townie having mislynched one side of a parity check. I really want that excuse out of the way. Also, go ahead and check me against Toad if you don't believe me. I would be much obliged. He's broke, remember?On November 28 2012 02:26 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 01:31 Acrofales wrote: Shit. You people, can't you keep your conclusions about survivors to yourselves?
Seeing as the cat's pretty much out of the bag, I confirm I'm 3rd party. My wincon is to survive and do some stuff that I am not telling anybody about. I promise that the extra stuff is in town's best interest. Not saying anything more, because I suspect there are other people out there who have to kill me. Otherwise Drazerk's solution to playing a survivor will always work: claim D1 and go AFK (or in this case, claim D1 and help town to figure out how to fulfill the other part of my wincon, THEN go AFK).
This is also immediately the reason I don't want to be on a party. I asked Greymist whether my influence counts with town or scum, or whether I could choose. He told me that I cannot choose and that he's not saying what my influence counts as. I have no way of knowing my hidden influence factor. So.. no. There is no contradiction between my not wanting to be on the party and being really surprised at Keirathi's claim.
Think about it, though: scum was probably not feeling too comfortable on D3. D1 went town's way, D2 went further town's way. Why would they NOT want to take any opportunity to get on the party? Claiming not wanting to be on the party would be a ridiculously stupid move, unless you think scum is so afraid of being caught out through the party mechanic that they are going to hide all game while town figures them out and kills them one by one on the few lynch days we get?
Oh, I can claim some other stuff: I have a load of one-shot abilities, but don't know what they do. Part of my suspicions of Drazerk are founded on this: he claims to be able to figure out what his abilities do before using them. I am unable and have to use them and pray. I can make an educated guess using common sense and some help from the chronopedia to figure out what is likely, but I cannot know for certain. Not giving ability names either, as they are 100% linked to my character name.
On D1 I used an ability that I thought would mason me with 3 other people. Instead it did 75 damage to each of them. I hit Sandroba, Dienosore and BioSC with it. I wanted to chat with Sandroba and BioSC to figure out if they were scum or not. I wanted to chat with Dienosore about setup-related stuff that largely got resolved in the thread.
I already said what I did D2.
D3 I cannot reveal, as it says too much about me. This is the only one I breadcrumbed, though, so if I ever feel safe in claiming my name in full, you will be able to check it.
@Hopeless1derp: I have called you an idiot too many times this game, already, but here goes again. On the offchance you are really town (which I really don't think): you're an idiot. OF COURSE you want Lavos to appear when scum is dead. Fairly certain killing Lavos with scum alive is going to be harder than killing him with scum dead. It doesn't look like there's much opportunity to kill scum, so wasting whatever abilities you have to kill scum on me is beyond ridiculous. I also have rather a lot of HP and things that I really really suspect are heals.
There is 0 point to killing me and I am helping town as best I can. I have done more scumhunting than pretty much anybody except Marv. I was wrong on Sandroba, so /shrug. However, I DID find Toad. If you prefer I shut up and go afk for the rest of the game, say so. I am happy to leave you derps derping it up. This time I don't give a shit if the endgame has Kushes Fubas and Proms in it: I just need to not get killed once I have completed my other condition, which I am fairly confident I can do without your help. *cough* *cough* I'm broke. I have no more checks, I can't protect anyone else. There's a reason I didn't check hopeless against Toad. There's a reason I didn't check YOU against Toad. Clarity between the two of us that means Marv took something greater than or equal to 550 damage if I'm adding correctly?
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Acro, if you explained why you thought your N1 action would cause masonry, would you be revealing your role?
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On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote:hey guys just caught up with teh threadzor so correct me if i'm wrong but we're picking dienosore to be party leader because he might get masamune? keirathi do you think it would help you at all to be the party leader instead of a party follower? also i think that hopeless is scum even though it turns out acro is 3p - some of the things that hopeless has done since being checked seem to me like scum in desperation like the whole thing about being on a party - this and hapa's thing and the chronicler all have done it - like i said to hapa before, i'm suspicious of anyone who says "put me in the party" instead of just relying on their townieness to be self-evident or whatever, because scum might have more information than we do and they might be starting to really want us to fail a mission some other stuff: Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote:I think we've decided that our Party leader is going to be one of our previous party members. Oats cannot lead. That leaves: - Syllogism
- Keirathi
- Dienosore
- Clarity_nl
This could very well be the party that runs today's event. Only one of Dienosore and Oatsmaster can be on the party due to setup restrictions. Oatsmaster and Syllogism have already led a party before and have items to show for it. I believe the leaders receive an item upon a successful mission completion. Either we try to pool resources to one player (i.e. syllo today) or we divvy up the spoils among as many players as possible while maintaining a successful party. I don't like the idea of powering up one player for a number of reasons: Scum might be able to steal items Items may be lost upon death The player may in fact be scum I'd prefer syllo and oats not be in the party at all because they currently hold items, but if we can't identify a 4th for the team, I'd pick dieno over oats and have syllo step in to fill the last spot. My choice for party leader is one of Keir, Dieno and Clarity. As I've already stated, I'd like to be included in the party. If any of them are inclined to give me the 4th spot, I'd be delighted and they will receive my vote. In the meantime, I'm fine sheeping the current votelead on Keir. ##Vote: KeirathiAlso, I hereby state that I won't put a last-minute voteswitch onto Toad today, in case anyone suspects shenanigans. like, seriously - what is the point of saying that last bit... I have a tendency to pull last minute shenanigans. People may have suspected that I'd "save" Toad again. I'm not going to do that. I was under the impression that we were going to get a lynch the last time. I was wrong and I have no intentions of fucking that up again.
On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: then there's the fact that his response to a red check from tc was "bring it bitches" like, he answers the whole case point by point and then he doesn't address the check itself...
tc's long case post was actually pretty bad, but after hopeless went through the case and answered it point by point, instead of actually addressing the dt check, he's just like "bring it" - that doesn't feel very town to me
NO HE'S A LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE NYAH NYAH NYAH. It wasn't a redcheck, it was a parity check, and Acro has claimed 3rd party. I'll admit, I skipped that option, but when I think parity, I think town or scum, which incidentally is what Acro KNEW were my alignment options (assuming he is 3rd party).
On November 28 2012 07:24 strongandbig wrote: then there's this "im untargetable tonight" thing. i don't understand what he's trying to head off here - townies would use negative abilities on toad, and scum would use negative abilities on pretty much anyone other than h1 or toad. the only thing that seems likely to hit h1 is maybe another dt check, so i don't see how him making himself untargetable or telling us he's untargetable are helpful to town
Are you aware that I claimed protection? Someone tried to stop me from taking damage last night. They will be unsuccessful tonight if they attempt to do so again. So they should go about preventing damage elsewhere. I doubt it was marv because math doesn't work out.
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On November 28 2012 10:26 iamperfection wrote: hey the drunk excuse is my thing don't steal it Not this game its not...
On November 28 2012 10:29 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: then shoot Cave and even after that Adam if we cannot find scum in Hopeless/Z-bo/phagga.
Toad first, followed by whoever the fuck else. Why do you place phagga in there? Lack of content or some new triangle of scummy yelling that I'm not aware of?
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On November 28 2012 23:08 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:55 Hopeless1der wrote: But I want to play setup explorer instead Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote: In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns) On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3) Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one. My setup exploration was unproductive by the way. What were you expecting/hoping would happen? Why would 1 person (you) voting for yourself have any influence on anything? Nameclaim: Toma the Adventurer. I was screwing around with potential mechanics related to my role. Kind of how you have no idea what your abilities do until you use them, I thought there might be more to my role than just my ability. If you thought you could figure out what they do beforehand, wouldn't you try?
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On November 29 2012 00:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 00:11 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 28 2012 23:08 Acrofales wrote:On November 23 2012 07:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Syllogism ##Vote: Hopeless1der
Things and such. On November 23 2012 07:55 Hopeless1der wrote: But I want to play setup explorer instead On November 23 2012 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 23 2012 09:21 kitaman27 wrote:On November 23 2012 09:06 Adam4167 wrote: In regards to my post to kita, I think it stands fine as it is. I am trying to figure out what the hell he is doing, because he claims to want to be taken seriously, but then posts a page of 'joke' reads and then campaigns as if they're perfectly acceptable. I am trying to ascertain if he is just goofing around, and I should ignore him, or if hes intentionally posting more garbage into this thread, something I think we can do without. I had one joke post and one joke read on risk. That's like 5% of my posts, yet you've brought it up three different times. Is this really your biggest concern. I nominate Cave as an alternative to sandroba (I'm still in favor of a sandroba lynch while he continues to be afk, and likely even after he returns) On November 23 2012 02:46 CaveJohnson wrote:I blame Acro for this post but apparently my posting is too unique it doesn't work anyway and I feel I need to explain a few things to keep Acro / S+B being murdered because they know me too well. I claim Drazerk the Invoker Chef I prepare dishes far and wide and have learnt techniques lost in time. I have 27 1 time use abilities and 1 multiple use ability but I can't use any if I go on a mission. So far I know 2 of my abilities (THEY ARE SO GOOOOOOOD) and can gain the knowledge of 2 more each cycle (although I can technically use any ability without knowing what it does but I'm not that insane). My success modifier is 4 which is too low to justify not using either of my 2 abilities I already have. Also I still dislike Marv / DJ and I think any votes for Syllo is a vote wasted. However there is at least 1 third party in the game judging by my flavour (I can handle them myself before you ask). Now to read what I've missed. He's clearly lying about his success modifier. It's a hidden value and he has no benchmark to lead him to believe 4 is a high number. He isn't keeping up with the thread. He's likely lying about his role and has a history of lying about his role. For whatever reason, he claims to think he would be a likely roleblock target. He has a history of never contributing in any game he has ever played in (and I mean that in the nicest of ways <3) Is he scum though? If it is draz, (and I have limited first hand experience) he does this kind of shit regardless. I'd rather not lynch him. I need to read sandroba, but before anything else, I cite his Looney Lynching play as exhibit A on why lack of activity =\= scum sandroba. His interactions with syllo on the other hand...well I'm going to go look into that one. My setup exploration was unproductive by the way. What were you expecting/hoping would happen? Why would 1 person (you) voting for yourself have any influence on anything? Nameclaim: Toma the Adventurer. I was screwing around with potential mechanics related to my role. Kind of how you have no idea what your abilities do until you use them, I thought there might be more to my role than just my ability. If you thought you could figure out what they do beforehand, wouldn't you try? Hrmm, I have no clue what your name has to do with that. You had already claimed you were some sort of explorer. Whether that is blue, black or red remains to be discovered. I have to say the claim comes at an unusual time. What in your role gives you the impression that there is more to be discovered? My role makes it very clear that I cannot know what my abilities do until I use them. The fact that my original ability unlocks a secondary ability following self-inflicted damage.
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On November 29 2012 01:16 iamperfection wrote: why does everybody's abilities sound overly complicated and conditional when compared to mine? My actual ability isn't complicated, I was just searching for things that didn't exist.
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On November 29 2012 01:29 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 29 2012 01:16 iamperfection wrote: why does everybody's abilities sound overly complicated and conditional when compared to mine? My actual ability isn't complicated, I was just searching for things that didn't exist. so what made you think their secondary conditions the wording? qué? I'm in a greymist game with an unknown secondary ability and the knowledge that I'm an explorer. I extrapolated from there.
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Did you have to post to the thread or was that just for fun?
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On November 29 2012 07:39 Djodref wrote:How do you know he is going to die ?1
On November 29 2012 07:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 07:29 phagga wrote: Didn't acro already take damage? And does this only damage Toad? I took 50 damage. I suspect that ability is enough to kill Toad.
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On November 29 2012 07:41 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 07:40 Clarity_nl wrote: Cave will you be around after the new cycle starts? Depends if people hurt me I won't hurt you anymore, I plomise
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I was under the impression that clarity only had a 1-shot heal
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##Vote: Toadesstern Sorry, I started moving yesterday after work b/c I found out I don't get the weekend to do so. I'll try to catch up today at work, but I haven't read anything properly since the daypost.
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##Lynch: Toadesstern Party Leader: Clarity_nl
Party preference: Syllo Keir Dieno Clarity Reasoning: All have been on a successful party and are semi-confirmed town; In addition, Keir gets more powers I think.
Acceptable Substitutions: Oatsmaster, TheChronicler, Hopeless1derNo one is going to take me, who am I kidding
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On November 30 2012 00:19 iamperfection wrote: what time period would we be in next jump? We have yet to visit Antiquities (12,000 BC). My guess would be there next for Lavos' first appearance. The countdown would make sense if it were in fact counting down to Lavos, but I don't get why we'd be given the countdown to begin with. In the game, you're expected to lose the first encounter with Lavos (unless you level grind like a bawse)
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On November 30 2012 00:27 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2012 00:19 iamperfection wrote: what time period would we be in next jump? If this is the bit where Lavos crashes and leaves us with a time gate, the next step is Antiquity. However, we have skipped quite a bit of the game (the whole fight with Magus). We might skip antiquity and go straight to the future to get us a time machine. Magus' alignment is ambiguous, it makes sense that we'd skip it.
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On November 30 2012 01:06 phagga wrote: Regarding Time: So far the party event was first, then came the time travel. If it is going to be that way, then the event will be in 65.000.000 BC. However, the countdown will probably end before this cycle, so let's see what happens there.
Regarding Lynch: Someone mentioned this earlier already: Should we put 3-4 votes on a second person we believe to be scum (I'd propose Goodkarma)? Reason is if Toad gets pardoned or something similar, the second in the vote is also a scum read of town. If noone else has any votes, Toad can mess with us with last minute votes, or it might be randomized. Both is not in our interest.
Regarding Party: We have no idea if we are in a good position or not, so let's not take any risk: The party should be from the five of Clarity, Oats, Keir, Syllo and Dieno.
##Lynch: Toadesstern ##Party Leader: Clarity_nl
I agree that we should place some votes on a second person for scum. Should we do something similar for the Party leader? Remember marv's choosing ability, there may be more where that came from. Clarity and Keir would be my choices to split on if we go down that path.
If we do vote a secondary lynch, who should be placing those votes? I think the 5 party-candidates you've identified are as good as any other players, and we all think they're town. It might help reduce hidden lynch mechanics screwing with us.
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On November 30 2012 02:26 phagga wrote: Switching to keirathi and Gk for safety reasons
##Unvote ##Lynch: Goodkarma ##Party leader: Keirathi
What about having oats keir syllo dieno clarity perform our split votes (And only those 5)? At least can we set a fixed number for number of votes to switch in case of hidden vote shenanigans?
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On November 30 2012 02:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I want syllo to lead and to select the party. Why do you consider syllo to be a superior leader to the other 4 people listed as viable party members?
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On November 30 2012 06:08 Dienosore wrote: Although we know toad is scum, I'm not entirely sure we should lynch him tonight.
What if he was lying about his HP? I kinda figure I have a lot of HPs, and a blow like that wouldn't have killed me either. It would have dropped me down to relatively nothing, though. We don't seem to be getting many opportunities to lynch, so we have to be very careful how we spend these cycles. If my hunch is right and Toad is very close to dying, then it would be pretty wasteful to lynch him instead of another highly suspected scumball. (ie. Hopeless1nder?).
@Acro Was the 750 damage claimed even remotely close to what you expected?
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I think there's a problem with the perceived timing of the damage. Clarity, what night in particular are you questioning?
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On November 30 2012 07:34 Hapahauli wrote: Geezus christ. I have no idea why this "heal PM" shit is still going on.
If you think I lied, vote me and shut the fuck up about it. If you think I didn't, then will someone please comment on my goddamn Phagga case. If you don't know, then read my goddamn Phagga case and make a decision based on my behavior rather than retarded speculation about night actions when we have no fucking idea what mechanics/scum-abilities/town-abilities/etc are going on behind the scenes. . You don't care that a fucking HEAL WENT MISSING? I realize the implications for yourself, but no matter who is being questioned, this is still important to the town to try to figure it out.
Phagga looks scummy from the case you've built. He's in the thread and I'd expect he'll reply. I need to read his filter myself and then I'll revisit, I need to do the same with Prox's case on GK. I won't have time to do so properly today. I have an existing scumread on Z-Boson that I need to go over as well. I'll make my reads known before this cycle ends.
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On December 01 2012 01:41 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 00:44 goodkarma wrote: Stop and think for a second: As scum: Do you seriously think that I would make a detailed list post highlighting all my reads in this game? This would give you an abundance of information if I were to flip scum, and that just isn't my scumgame... Further, that's way more effort than I put into my scum game...
Seriously. Get your head out of your ass and spend a few seconds to consider the merits of my writeup. Except you fail to mention that you put that exact same list in the mason qt before you posted it here. Now, I'm not sure why you felt the need to throw all that info to the public? Giving cases on scum is fine, but copy/pasting your notepad list of reads on half of the people of the game just doesn't make sense to me... Maybe you were scared Syllo was going to expose it, and so you decided to post here in the forums before he did as a bit of damage control? I really dislike the fact that GK is arguing that his own meta doesn't match. If he's aware of his meta, he can abuse it and anything he says is now WIFOM.
Reading his response to Promethelax's case, he spends way too much time being upset and pulling the 'y u no read filter' card. He also calls the case bad a number of times instead of addressing it properly.
The prime example is:
Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 13:34 goodkarma wrote: I can understand the excuses that Sandroba has provided, but I find the complete lack of followup on who he would consider a prime scum suspect to be disturbing. It's as though he is holding back, maybe... because he's scum, and as scum making up even a half-baked scumread is hard for him. I would really like to see him take some initiative and actually help town out. He continues to fail to deliver in this department, which would leave me to believe that his complete apathy and lack of involvement in this game is indeed scum-driven.
I will keep my vote on Sandroba for the time being. Syllo has all but proven himself to be town at this point, and I will change my vote from Sandroba only if he somehow believes he isn't scum after his latest post. This only because I don't feel my scumread on Sandroba is strong enough without the reaffirmation. And yes, sheeping makes me a hypotwit...
I am going to now focus my attention on TheChronicler and Kitaman He allows himself a way to vote away from Sand which is just a sheep vote. A pre-excused sheep vote. That is totally a thing townies + Show Spoiler + do. Really? Townies never sheep? This is an absolutely ridiculous statement I will just leave it at that… And I clearly explained there were other aspects that led me to suspect Sand was scum. Townies don't create preconceived reasons to sheep, which was what Promethelax was saying. Claiming your vote on Sand was pressure gives you a way to jump off of him, while looking the part of concerned townie. It is the very thing that scum would do to ensure they can go with the flow. But instead of addressing the scum motive and explaining why he wasn't doing that, he calls the accusation ridiculous and pushes ahead.
I personally consider self-voting a scumtell in most situations. There is no townie reasoning more powerful than LYNCH SCUM. Intentionally playing against your win-con creates an emotional argument instead of a rational one, and emotional arguments lead to raging, yelling, and chaos. If you are town, you should never have to vote for yourself.
We should have access to his night actions via the players he's masoned with. I'm trusting them to reveal if things don't look right until we have a chance to properly lynch him. I have a marginal scumread on GK.
Reading Phagga's responses next
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On December 01 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I think I'm done. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgRwUW7S2s2HdHFnd1J0T2hzWmNKTmR5R2xUZ1dzNncNot making it editable. Last time I made my spreadsheet editable Caller played with it. If there's something wrong, let me know in the thread. Weird shit that needs explaining: Hapa heal on D3. Syllo doing damage and roleblocking on the same night. Prom claiming less damage than Syllo claimed to deal. Drazerk claiming less damage than Kita claimed to deal... twice. Kita claiming no damage when Drazerk claimed to deal it. Drazerk dealing less damage than he should have on N4. There are lots of unclaimed roleblocks. There seem to be too many protective roles and way less damage dealing roles than makes sense balance-wise. All members of the N4 party took 75 damage, so it could have been the event, or it could be scum activated to deal damage to the party. My day1 damage wasn't 100 (I don't recall ever reporting the amount). It was also self-inflicted so it shouldn't matter for the sake of tracking sources. I have more information on a couple of things that need explaining, but I can't definitively answer them, so I don't know if its worth it yet.
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I took a peek through phagga's responses, reading him as town right now. I hammer that out properly tonight.
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On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote: Turducken was EMP Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result. I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me. Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them. Screwed with them in what way?
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On December 01 2012 04:23 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:20 CaveJohnson wrote: Turducken was EMP Night 2 I used cold snap (Eclair) on Djodref for self preservation reasons. I dunno if he ever got role blocked as a result. I think Kita was targeted and then screwed with not me. Spicy Jerky screwed with the first person to visit me and only them. Screwed with them in what way?
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On December 01 2012 04:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 04:43 GreYMisT wrote:On December 01 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:Okay. I think I'm done. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgRwUW7S2s2HdHFnd1J0T2hzWmNKTmR5R2xUZ1dzNncNot making it editable. Last time I made my spreadsheet editable Caller played with it. If there's something wrong, let me know in the thread. Weird shit that needs explaining: Hapa heal on D3. Syllo doing damage and roleblocking on the same night. Prom claiming less damage than Syllo claimed to deal. Drazerk claiming less damage than Kita claimed to deal... twice. Kita claiming no damage when Drazerk claimed to deal it. Drazerk dealing less damage than he should have on N4. There are lots of unclaimed roleblocks. There seem to be too many protective roles and way less damage dealing roles than makes sense balance-wise. All members of the N4 party took 75 damage, so it could have been the event, or it could be scum activated to deal damage to the party. If possible disable the messaging portion of the google spreadsheet.
If you cannot it goes without saying that no communication may be done in there. I tried. It doesn't seem to have the option to switch comments off. If you like I can copypaste the thing to the thread and switch it back to private. It'll just be a giant mess. I can't access or see any comments/chat either.
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On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga?
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On December 01 2012 05:28 Acrofales wrote: EBWOP: ah, I see that the numbers are blanks. That might actually mean something. Let me go back and see if the numbers on Sandroba's lynch work out. There are almost certainly hidden lynch mechanics at play, hence the explicit omission of votecount numbers.
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On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do.
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On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay.
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On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread.
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On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Judging by the fact that greymist actually posts numbers in the election vote counts, makes me think they cannot be tampered with. I am switching my lynchvote to phagga, I urge others to do the same. Toad's vote on syllo makes me nervous.
##Unvote ##Lynch phagga ##Party Leader Clarity I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad?
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On December 01 2012 05:48 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:39 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:36 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 01 2012 05:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On December 01 2012 05:26 Hopeless1der wrote: [quote] I assume there's some followup as to why you picked phagga? Not really. My vote on him is rather sheepish. If I couldn't lynch toad and I had to pick it would be phagga. After going over hapa and phagga I find it likely that hapa is town (despite the healing issue) and his case on phagga is strong in my eyes. His defense especially strikes me as very scum-like. I'd say the same thing about GK..in fact I pretty much do. Yeah but I find you to be a kind of mystery so your word doesn't mean much to me right now. I've also focused on townreads much more this cycle for obvious reasons. From my (not extensive) reading, I find phagga more scummy than GK atm. I also think that if phagga flips red that makes gk much more likely to be town. oh...kay. You don't understand, or you don't care to convince me? You evidently don't care, its a completely secondary thought of 'oh shit scum might pardon toad what do we do now' and have just sheeped a scumread. I am willing to listen to an argument, but I'm not hearing one. Like I said I've been focusing more on townreads. I think of all people, you should be one of the last to accuse me of not caring. Promethelax and VE have extensive cases and GK has responded to both. Have you read and considered them? I'm not asking you to listen to my argument, I'm asking why you want to do what you're doing. If you lack the conviction to stand behind your read, why bother swapping off Toad? Wait, I lack conviction now? I've read all the cases, I read both their filters, I came to the conclusion that phagga is scummier than gk right now. Could I be wrong? Sure. But he's my strongest read after Toad. That's why I'm voting for him. I don't really see what you're getting at. At best, Hapa is the reason you've swapped a long-standing town read on phagga and you've offered little to no reasoning for it. I don't care that it's hypocritical of me, if people didn't think you were semi-confirmed town, you would never be able to pull this off.
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On December 01 2012 10:40 Adam4167 wrote: I feel so grossly unequipped to give any advice on this situation, having never played the game.
I have no outstanding time commitments, how long would it take me to finish, assuming I started right now? A long fucking time, but it'd be totally worth it in my opinion. Great game.
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On December 01 2012 10:44 Acrofales wrote: Next question: what in the blazes was that countdown? Lavos didn't crash despite us being in prehistory. That event is still in the "future" in the game. So what the hell did we count down to? *shrug* BOSS BATTLES:
Both Slash and Flea have high Magic Defense. Tech attacks SHOULD NOT be used, as they are far more likely to involve magic.
To that effect, attacking Flea with Frog (Dienosore) is likely to be our best bet to deal the most damage up-front. There is the chance that the first attacker is somehow disabled, in which case I'd venture Robo (Oatsmaster) as our first attacker.
Slash GETS STRONGER when he grabs his sword. In the game, the Slasher is loot for defeating Slash. Given the option of taking it upfront, it seems like a great idea. Option B has us run into Slash, and I suspect he just grabs the sword and fucks us right up. I want to take it.
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On December 01 2012 10:08 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 02:29 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told
You took 50 damage
You were healed. Someone felt I was worth protecting, and I was not healed. I dealt more than 75 damage to myself, and I have no idea if anyone attacked me. I am going to be untargetable due to my unlocked ability tonight, assuming I use it (I'm gonna use it, but I have the choice not to). There is a secondary function that I am going to withhold for now. Don't bother doing anything to me tonight, as I am untouchable by ANY targeted ability. @HopelessCan I have your comment on this one ? Who do you think has protected you ? I haven't got a goddamned clue, but I'm going to claim before this cycle is through.
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On December 01 2012 10:48 Dienosore wrote: The fact I am still alive right now leads me to believe I cannot die. The mysterious person seems to be doing terrific job keeping this old sack of bones moving.
I'm lead to believe that Masamune isn't a 1-shot deal. Therefor, I don't think I'd be wasting it here. However, I have no idea what the mechanics behind the attack delay are, so it's possible, I guess, that I won't be able to attack Magus when he eventually pops up because I'll be "waiting for my action gauge to fill up again". Just speculation here
Alternatively if you DON'T attack first, you'll be waiting during the next fight. Speculation is really shitty when we have no idea how much of the battle system is transferred over. I think I'd rather Oats go first.
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Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.
I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability. N1 - 63 HP N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP) N4 - Target Toad N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.
Things to note: My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.
I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.
No heals to report.
I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.
##Slash: A ##Flea: E
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On December 01 2012 20:26 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2012 12:18 Hopeless1der wrote: Because of the amount of effort Acro has put into the game and my belief that he has the towns best interest at heart, I am not going to 100% claim my actions in order to protect his HP information. I do not believe the information I'm withholding is valuable enough to town to justify giving scum/other 3rd parties that info.
I gain vig hits equal to 2x the damage I deal to myself and untargetability as my secondary ability. N1 - 63 HP N2 - Target CJ for 126 damage N3 - # HP (withheld to prevent knowledge of Acro's HP) N4 - Target Toad N5 - I'll debate whether its worth claiming.
Things to note: My target on CJ seems to have been delayed. In addition, it directly contradicts gk's claim. There is an extra 75 damage that went missing on CJ Night 3. However, my hit should have gone through Night 2, and I don't know why it didn't.
I was unable to deal the amount of damage to myself that I wanted to last night. I still have a shot, its just less than I was expecting. The amount I fell short makes no sense from a percentage standpoint. It was not a round number.
No heals to report.
I don't want to use tech attacks for this event. I want to try taking that sword and I want Robo to attack first.
##Slash: A ##Flea: E So explain to me how your attack got "delayed?" Because from what I see in your claim, your damage should have gone through night 2. My shot went off on night 3... Are you dense or scum, and keep in mind I already think you're scum? What part of I don't know what happened did you not understand? I wouldn't withhold that information because the situation is confusing enough as it is. As far as I can tell, I'm the only player that has the option to deal abnormal amounts of damage (i.e. not increments of 5). The simplest solution is that my hit was delayed and yours was half of what you say it was.
This brings me to another point:
On November 29 2012 13:04 goodkarma wrote: Might as well roleclaim now:
My name is Fiona. I have a vigilante-type role.
Night 3, I was responsible for 150 points of damage on CaveJohnson.
So here's what I propose: 1) You see if anyone comes forward to counterclaim the damage. 2) If someone does one of us is scum. Lynch accordingly. 3) If not, I am incredibly tired of having to deal with ignorant people... I'm going to role claim now, so that later as confirmed town I'm entitled to draw giant pictures of dinosaurs, and run around failing parties like I've been lobotomized.
See you guys later after I've calmed down. CJ claimed more damage than you claimed to have dealt. Why was that not accounted for in your proposal? What did you think happened to the 51 damage? Why am I automatically scum, by your reasoning?
@Acro
On December 01 2012 20:34 Acrofales wrote: So your first ability is to do a percentage of a target player's HP damage to yourself, if I understand correctly? Current HP or max HP? Also what percentage? If you ever feel the necessity to claim N3, I want to be able to verify that. My ability does not use percentages to determine any damage dealt.
What's supposed to happen is:
I pick a number between 0 and [an upper limit]. Damage is dealt TO MYSELF equal to the number I selected. I then gain a vig hit for 2x the damage dealt and I cannot be targeted the following night.
The percentages part of my post was because I suspect foul play. The number I selected last night, the one to deal damage to myself, was reduced by an amount that makes no sense. It isn't a clean percentage of the total, it isnt a round number, it was just strange and I don't know if anyone has the ability to modify my own. Alternatively, the math behind my max HP says I can fully charge one more hit before I'm down to 1 hp. I'm going to get at least one more cycle in because I'm untargetable again tonight.
I suspect that only myself and draz targeted Toad, no one else has claimed to do so. I think the mafia has a block 50% damage that was used on Toad. From there, you should be able to extrapolate roughly how much my hit was for, barring CJ's HP fluctuations and Toad lying through his teeth.
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K I feel like I'm being completely trolled over. I'm out until after deadline today anyways.
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Assuming snb is town, who does he rolecheck? Me, Gk and risk are his available targets.
##Ozzie: B ##Magus: B
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On December 03 2012 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote: why B for Magus hopeless? I think smashing his face in is the best bet right now. If I knew what our HP's were and the types of heals available, I might want A the same as everyone else, but this is in fact a good time to attack.
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On December 03 2012 06:33 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:28 austinmcc wrote:SnBLeaning scum. Mainly based on the roleclaim, because ... that's the thing I most have to work with. Forget the rolenaming. Forget his other stupid ability that he claimed. He says: My main ability is Secrets of the Nu, which is the 250 damage/+300 max hp ability (1) SnB says he never asked Grey how this works. Other people seem to be expressing concern that he equated +max HP with "heal" without checking with Grey. Yes, that's questionable. But beyond that...SnB isn't an idiot. If that were actually SnB's ability, he would absolutely have to check with Grey, because...it frigging does 250 damage. The way it's phrased, you can't tell how the parts resolve. Does it do 250 damage to someone, and then, if they're alive, heal them/raise hp? EVEN IF SnB thought +max hp = heal, he has to ask whether he can accidentally kill someone before raising their hp. That's...crazy important. I can believe that he interpreted +max HP to be heal, but I can't believe he wouldn't ask whether both happen at once or whether he basically CPR docs someone if they're under 250 hp. (2) The wording. Grey likes flavor. Grey likes...complex roles that punish gaming the setup (roleclaims, ability claims, whatever). But Grey doesn't create stupid roles. The text of that ability just makes no sense, see (1). If it heals, it should just say "Raise targets max hp 300, heal them for 50." Ta da. It's simple. You can't misinterpret it. Your doc can't kill someone now. Gut feeling, I don't think Grey would create a role that mixed damage/possible heal for no good reason. It's much more likely that SnB has a similar ability, now has to try and find a logical fakeclaim, and so the wording comes out really garbled.
Out of his filter...I don't get too much. But he's only been vocal about a couple topics. His posts are generally pretty small, but perk up on three/four topics. The party election D1 Hapahauli (Maybe toad) Phagga There's one big toad post where he votes toad, although from the looks of it toad was caught by a check. So...scumSnB would have had to do that. But he perks up towards the end of the vote D1, and we know that at least one candidate, Sandroba, was scum. So on two of the topics he's been...more wordy about, scum has been involved. I dunno about ALL of SnB's longer posts being about scum, but I could see Hapa or Phagga being scum just based on the way SnB has posted less when scum wasn't concerned. Maybe one a mislynch candidate, one a scumbuddy? I'll give them a look. i already said that i clarified my ability with greymist, it raises someone's max health but does damage to their current health, and raising max health doesn't change current health.
Did you clarify before or after you started screwing with people's HP? What austin is saying is that you wouldn't/shouldn't have done so without knowing the consequences of your actions. It sounds like a contrived explanation to get out of a tough spot. One way or another, your actions are highly suspicious.
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On December 03 2012 06:49 Acrofales wrote: Lol. Hey guyses! I just hit a bunch of you for 250 damage a pop, but I swear I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. 250 damage to name claimers.. oh, and it has a side effect which is:
1. Useless and 2. Unverifiable.
Trolololol.
The only question that remains in my mind is why would SnB be dumb enough to claim this and verify that it really is an utterly destructive ability for town? In fact, if there is one person in this game who should know better, it is a scum SnB: he was scum in SSM, the only game where I have seen an early mass claim completely wipe scum from the face of the game, due to a combination of Sandroba's genius and scum completely bolloxing up their fakeclaims. so the conclusion is SnB is town or retarded scum?
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On December 03 2012 07:53 kitaman27 wrote: strongandbig...are you willing to use your role tonight on phagga to confirm he is not golem? dafuq check me or GK or risk...jeez
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On December 03 2012 09:14 Hapahauli wrote: Roleblocked and took 222 damage - any townie want to claim it or was it a scum shot? Damage portion claim. Also, I'm indefinitely VT, either through too many actions or not enough HP. (My flavor is drinking, I'm too hungover/my keg is empty)
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On December 03 2012 23:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 10:20 Hapahauli wrote:On December 03 2012 10:15 Keirathi wrote: I'm inclined to believe that Hapa is telling the truth about the host PMs because I trust that Hapa is an honorable player. If he's the kind of person that would lie about something like that to win a game, then fuck that and I'll never play with him again.
I don't necessarily think that he's town again (it's hard to put aside the bias I already have), but the missing heal thing doesn't condemn him to me. I'll have another look through his filter again later, though. <3 While you're there, please keep in mind some of my actions this game and see if they make sense from a scum perspective: 1) I was the first player to aggressively contest Toad's candidacy for party leader. 2) I was amongst the first to vote Toad on the D2 lynch (the 2nd player I think) and pushed for his lynch. Does it make sense for mafia to turn down an easy bussing opportunity (Sandro) in order to put heavy suspicion on another scumteam member? 3) Toad claimed to shoot me for 100 damage (BEFORE he gave up on the game and BEFORE Acro's check). If I'm lying about the 100 damage, who else could Toad have plausibly targeted? Like hapa brought up great points here and you have basically ignored them entirely. Instead just shouting still scum for host pm reasons. I can confirmation bias those points into being scummy with little effort. That doesn't prove anything. In fact, its a point against Hapa in my opinion to display those points as though scum would never do them. That said, while I have my reservations about him, I have no interest in pursuing his lynch until later this game, if at all.
SnB gets my vote for now unless someone can account for why he may have targeted djodref against his will. Anything short of a redirect claim means he gets the lynch.
I'm going to get around to that case on Z-Boson I promised like 4 cycles ago tonight.
##Lynch: StrongandBig ##Epoch: End of Time I haven't thought much about where I want to go yet. At least Spekkio's already dead so there shouldn't be any more scum getting potential era bonuses by going there.
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My update to the case on Z-Boson. I've already laid out my intial reasoning following sandroba's flip:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. I felt that scum had a reasonable motivation to both support sandroba for party leader and not lynch him the following day. Z-Boson. When I determined that Z-Bo fell into this category, he was adamant that I was making things up and that I'd falsified/misrepresented the voting to make him look bad. His vote was not recorded correctly and he didn't seem to look much further into it than to conclude I was full of shit.
Only AFTER Mementoss updated the votecount did Z-Bo rescind his statements and admit to there being something amiss. HOWEVER:
On November 23 2012 07:53 Z-BosoN wrote: Mod error, sand is not even in the vote tally.
Can we please get a corrected vote count??
He clearly knew something got screwed up earlier. Why wouldn't he immediately spring into action about my failure to read his filter properly, or at least point this out that there was an error?
On November 26 2012 08:25 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:23 Hopeless1der wrote: marv, do you find z-bo's response to my post to be overly defensive? I called him scum by association due to his vote, and he basically tells me I'm lying. Dude, you're lying, I didn't vote for syllo. You can't even see the vote count you posted doesn't have any votes on syllo. A quick look at the voting thread will show you that I voted for sand. I'm saying the truth, while you are being lazy and trying to make it seem like you are scumhunting. This post was here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17027632 and our exchange is a little ways in both directions, but this post primarily illustrates my point Once he realizes he's messed up, here is his attempt to discredit my case: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 08:34 Z-BosoN wrote:@HopelessActually, hopeless, I see what you mean now. I thought you said that I voted for syllo, but now I see that this is not what you said, I read it wrong. In which case, your logic includes yourself as being possible scum. Therefore, if you were town, it's obviously bad logic, no? Here: Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 08:08 Hopeless1der wrote:So, I'm trying to look into the Day 1 voters for sandroba, as he's the only confirmed scum to far. IN ORDER, the votes for sandroba went: risk.nuke Hopeless1derAcrofales kushm4staZ-Boson Note that Z-Bo's vote somehow got counted towards syllogism. Use his filter in the voting thread, he never voted for syllo, but that's where his vote ended up. Possibly mod error, possibly someone's ability. + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2012 07:36 Mementoss wrote: Vote Count
Kitaman27 (5): CaveJohnson, Kitaman27, Promethelax,phagga, strongnbig
Goodkarma (1): risknuke
Hapahauli (3): Hapahauli, Iamperfection, Clarity_nl,
Dienosore (1): Dienosore Syllogism (14): Toadesstern, Acrofales, BioSC, Hopeless1der, djodref, keirathi, goodkarma, Adam4167, Syllogism, Oatsmaster, Marvellosity, TheChronicler, zboson (red for emphasis), sandroba
Remember that voting is mandatory.
All votes must be in by Thursday, Nov 22 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) I think it is very likely that at least 1 scum gave support to sandroba for party leader before the swap to syllo. During the lynch cycle, the following players voted to lynch sandroba that had previously voted him to be party leader: that is all. Acro and Z-Bo voted for Toad, I parked my vote on TheChronicler and then lurked. To me, that points to one of me, Acro or Z-Bo being scum, and considering draz's moment of inspired thought: + Show Spoiler +On November 26 2012 02:10 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 01:46 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 01:24 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:36 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:26 risk.nuke wrote:On November 26 2012 00:22 Djodref wrote:On November 26 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote: Why am I like a ghost in these games. Even when I run for leader I am mostly ignored. I think it's because you are not active enough I won't vote for you by the way, there are some people that I trust more. I understand how you feel if it can do any good to you. It doesn't do me any good, you're free to vote for whoever you want but even if you don't want to vote for me you can still comment on me for everyone's benefit. Well, I would not vote for the following reasons - The waiting game you have played yesterday with your vote on Sandro, nice way for not contributing during a lynch day
- The way you answered kitaman suspicions towards you ("scummy post from a scummy player")
- The fact that you are not active enough, I expect a party leader to have some leadership
- The fact that you take syllo and TheChronicler in your team. Dieno and Oats is better than syllo and Oats. TheChronicler is meh....
I have been active and don't get into sementics, would you had approved if I had said. I'm not going to take my vote of the scummiest player just because he's avoiding the thread. Kitaman had done squat all game which is more then enough to justify the title of scummy behaviour when he showed up with a pisspoor case against me. As I said I don't think Dia is a good addition to the team. Do you believe there are no repercussions to prevent town from beating the game using claims? And in addition to that he's lost the majority of his hp. Hypothetically what if a condition is if a teammember has less then x hp the mission will fail, or maybe it will fail and kill him. Syllo is by far better then both oats and dia, I've considered keith being better then oats aswell. And chronicler is very likely town. He's the one who copchecked toad so unless you think scum is trading 1for1 you shouldn't doubt him. @risk.nukeYou have not been as active as marv for example. I would have liked if you have participated more in the scum hunt during D2. Toad was not so difficult to find for example... (Correct me if I'm wrong but I assumed that you were familiar Toad here) Ok, fair enough. Ok, that's speculating. I have more faith in a town Dieno than in a town syllo, and that's all what matters for me. Anyway, if we present 4 town members, the event is going to succeed for sure I guess. Easy enough imho... What do you mean by "better" ? I'm only caring about the fact that they are more confirmed town. TheChronicler could have bussed Toad with a fake cope claim. The only thing that indicates a town TheChronicler is this copeclaim... you think acro faked his copclaim as well? Acro claimed 1-shot cop on a person who had just been busted by another cop claim. I think it's very convenient. 09:30 - Flip 09:51 - Acro's first post after flip 10:32 - TC's roleclaim and his first post after flip 13:20 - Acro's roleclaim Why would anyone believe Acro? the only interesting thing is he gave us an actual role name but if I was scum in that situation I would know to throw toad under the bus. Doing it after TC's role claim was pointless. If you get a red flip you claim ASAP 1-1 trades are always good for town. No exceptions. Acro's claim SHOULD have been before TC's if it was real. I would go after Acro before Z-Bo, presumably once both Toad and I end up dead for being way more likely to be scum.
On November 26 2012 07:57 Promethelax wrote:On November 26 2012 07:48 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 26 2012 07:43 Dienosore wrote: haha, so does this mean toad is going to take 500 dmg bcz no is voting for him? He says that since Oats placed a vote at some point during day 1 he didn't take damage. The vote doesn't have to remain on him for it to negate the damage (from what Toad has said) do you believe Toad's role claim? I don't dismiss it completely. I feel that we have two players that claimed a cop-role with redchecks on Toad, and that needs to be followed through next time we can get a lynch, but on the chance that he's telling the truth, I don't want him taking 500 points of needless damage. Unless it actually kills him, it won't really matter since we'd be lynching him next, right? I'm trying to cover my bases for the 'just in case' scenario. I don't see a significant downside to what I did, even if Toad is scum. All in all, I found it really scummy but we had red-checks to deal with.
His voting, and process for developing his reasons for voting are very scummy. First, his sandroba vote from Day 1:
On November 23 2012 06:55 Z-BosoN wrote: Well, granted my thoughts on this setup, I'm staying with sandroba. I don't like how syllo is not being transparent AT ALL, based on "don't want scum to know", which makes little sense to me, especially when he made the psot (4 hours to go). Imo, that would have been almost the perfect time to give us his town reads. Sand has not been exactly graceful in this regard, but like I said, I feel that if he's scum he'll be too hard to pin down. I know that I'm saying this a lot, without too much back it up, but out of the candidates I feel best on him. I agree with his read on GK, especially after hapa's post on him.
##Vote sandroba.
On November 23 2012 06:58 Z-BosoN wrote: EBWOP: ...I feel that if he's scum, hell be much easier to pin down...
He notes that sand should be easy to discern as scum if sand is in fact scum. He also gives a scumread on SnB and adam (falsely assuming adam is a lurking newbie)
On November 23 2012 09:31 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, am I the only one troubled that Toad is not posting relatively at all? In LVII he was annoying as hell with huge posts, being SK (but trying to look townie), and I haven't seen him doing this here at all...
This is the first of his suspicions against Toad (Queen Zeal). When I point out that Toad wasn't even town in the game he referenced and that I'd like an example of TOWN Toad being different than the current game, he gives me:
On November 23 2012 09:39 Z-BosoN wrote: @Hopeless I don't feel like giving it much research before I hear from some people. I'm only putting LVII on reference here, because he was much more proactive in looking for scum and giving his reads. Hugeass posts. etc This is incredibly weak reasoning to pursue a scumread when he's listed SnB earlier, and there's ongoing discussion's about Sandroba. Oh yeah, Sando:
On November 23 2012 09:28 Z-BosoN wrote: SNIP
So, @Syllogism, do you think sandroba's play is him being scum? He started out pretty good imo, but his absence here is not cool at all. Fair reason to be suspicious. And we all know how town loves to sheep them some syllogism. So why did that not occur here?
On November 24 2012 03:16 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 03:05 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I went through Sandro's filter, and other than his absence at some key moments I cannot find anything scummy. He seems to be playing pretty standard for him, calling people town with no reason given. However, I am looking forward to him waking up and starting to play again.
Another thing to keep in mind is that from a game-setup point of view it is very very risky to put people like Sandro+Syllo on opposite alignments. Not quite as bad as Coag+Jackal (and the only game I've played with both of them DrH stuck both of them on the scumteam), but not something you can do without making a very serious consideration, as they are well-known for having each other's number. I don't want to let this weigh too heavily, because meta-speculation about the host is really dodgy ground, but I felt it was worth mentioning.
Syllo+Sand: do you have a recent (last half a year or so) game where you were opposite alignments? 3rd party doesn't count. So I take it you are not so familiar with his meta? Because both Toad and Adam seemed to give him scum reads on meta. I'm also disturbed on how syllo is reluctant to give a read on him. I've asked him twice at this time, and he still doesn't take a solid position. There are two newbies using the logic "syllo won the event ergo sand is scum" and that's going unopposed. I don't get why he's not taking a position against sand. I second that a game in which syllo and sand played together as opposite alignments would be quite instructive. That way we can tell just how accurate these vet reads being made are and I'll be more comfortable regarding people's reads. For the record I'm opposed to a sand lynch at this time, until more people comment on the cases on him, at least. Right now there are much better lynches, more into that in a bit. More on that eh? Alright, let's watch. I'll leave it to you, the reader, to go through his filter, but Z-Bo spends a good amount of time tunneling TheChronicler, but never places a vote on TC. Both Z-Bo and Acro go at him pretty hard, pointing out scummy contradictions (which at the time I saw and latched onto as well) but Z-Bo wasn't willing to back it up with a vote.
On November 25 2012 06:52 Z-BosoN wrote:@TheChronicleShow nested quote +On November 24 2012 15:08 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 14:48 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 14:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 24 2012 14:15 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 14:11 Djodref wrote:On November 24 2012 14:02 Z-BosoN wrote:@TheChronicleYou keep saying I'm not reading, that people are not reading, that people are stupid, or whatever, but you fail to supply evidence. I've searched your filter yet again and couldn't see where you responded to this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=382922¤tpage=102#2037At least in a way in which I could recognize it as an attempt. Can you please quote the part where you replied specifically to the post I linked? @Z-BosoNHe has already addressed it. His plan was not based on the fact that people were going to chose other people based on their townreads, but based on "certain reads". So there is no apparent contradiction but it reinforces my conviction that he made this plan to not be elected with. I'm not saying that the plan is necessarily bad, in fact I'm quite interested with his idea, but what I'm sure is that his plan was not well thought through, it doesn't look like he really believes in it and it's was made with the goal to not be elected. This makes zero sense to me. Why would he pick three people if not people based on his own town reads? What the hell do you/him mean by "certain reads". What other reads are there when choosing the "team pickers"? 1) Lol, you have to be scum. There's absolutely no way I can see you as town. I sat here for like five minutes trying to find the contradiction, then I realized this was just so much easier to explain if you/acro were scum together. On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote: Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote: random fluff post, Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote: 1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
Really, no contradiction? At all? 2) Really? Two people jumping on the same thing and both being equally wrong? I've given a lot of leeway with reading for this, but I can't find anything in my posts that say I would choose town reads. Why try and make something so easily checked like that up? Something so purposefully misleading only has scum motivation. 1) Except I didn't mention a contradiction. I just can't fathom what sort of "reads" you are gonna use if not town reads. refer to point no. 2. 2) You also did not post a single fucking thing on what sort of reads they should be. What other reads could there possibly be for you too chose your candidates? You didn't go into detail on this, and this is something important and supposedly an integral part of your plan. This was an attempt, and the only one I actually found in your filter: On November 21 2012 12:33 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:31 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote: random fluff post, Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you? Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix. I'll take the information given by that choice over information given by a leader choosing based on his "reads". Seems pretty simple to me. Do you want information from the choice of one person, or do you want information given from the choices of three people (four, kind of, since you still get information from who the leader chooses)? But I view this as absurd and vague. How are you gonna choose? What's going to be your thought process? How are you gonna judge what gives more information and what does not? I can't view someone choosing a scum read over a town read in this brilliant plan because it would give "more information". So my question remains: What sort of "reads" are you referring to??. Lol the root quote has you saying On November 24 2012 05:22 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 24 2012 05:12 TheChronicler wrote: Again there's no contradiction and I have a hard time believing acro is that bad. Where do I say I'm convinced my plan was bad acro? I still think its what we should have done and what we should do. However, I'm not so blind as to stick to my plan if everyone else thinks its horrible. Do you expect me to scream and shout shitting up the thread? No one liked my plan, I gave it up because shitting up the thread with discussion about it is stupid. Kind of like what you're doing right now...
Where did I say the people I chose would be my town reads? You're grasping at straws here trying to make me look bad. I can't help but look at the person who I think started this and then dipped from the thread, Z-Bo On November 24 2012 04:02 Acrofales wrote:Oh jesus. This feels like finding Drazak (not Drazerk) was scum in Acme. The contradictions just keep piling up. Plan: On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote: random fluff post, Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. Summary: leader dishes out TOWN reads and then each town read dishes out town reads. On November 24 2012 02:50 TheChronicler wrote: 1) I think I said this, but I don't believe in ever giving town reads because that just says to scum "shoot these people"
Really, no contradiction? At all? THIS is what a contradiction looks like and this is why posting a lot is pro-town. Scum will trip over themselves eventually. 2) You're right, I didn't. Why should I influence other people's choices? The best information is given by people making choices that haven't been influenced. The "reads" you quoted there at the end is referring to any reads by a single person. We're supposed to trust the reads of a single person who could very well be scum? Sylo isn't even confirmed town and we have Keir in thread saying he's near confirmed scum. What? No, all we know is that he picked a successful team. I think there's equal motivation for scum to succeed as there is to fail it, maybe more to succeed. I don't even know what happens if we fail the event, but it didn't look like anything happened when we won it. Maybe scum knows the results of a win/loss, maybe having a near confirmed leader was more valuable than risking another of their members to force a loss since that narrows the fault to the four people on the team, while success has now given them the chance to put the entire thread under suspicion. I guarantee if we failed the scrutiny would have fallen on the four and we would be lynching one of the four. How is that good for scum? Why am I the only one thinking of this? 1) I assumed the contradiction you were referring to was the two-line post you were responding to, not acro's post. 2) Ugh this makes little sense. Keir is not saying syllo is near confirmed scum. This doesn't make much sense to me, but whatever. Anyways, from your comment on keir it seems you are bunch oblivious to what ppl say and you have a reaaally weird thought process. Anyways, perhaps I'm being too based upon on your contradictions and shit, and I realize that (somehow) you actually believed that what you were saying was. Anyways, I don't see how exactly your play is mafia-oriented, so I'll 180 and say you are town, for now. Regarding my voteI know I said earlier that I expected other people to easily be able to figure out sand, but I never figured it'd be this fast, this easy, and with so little discussion. I really don't like how easily his wagon took off, especially given the fact that syllo, who is basically telling people to sheep him, has disappeared (despite saying he was going to be more active today). This smells really fishy, and is not how I expected it to go down, at all. Also, it grew extremely quickly, so either mafia decided to bus him fast or they actually want him dead. I'm inclined to think the latter, given that he's a strong player. Additionally, sand seems to be heading into modkill-land. I really think this is a wasted lynch, especially when he said that he was going to be afk. Right now I'd rather lynch prome (or even iamp), but I can live with a Toad lynch. Since we need to consolidate, and I don't have much time right now, I'll just go ahead and vote toad. Like I noted earlier, his play is totally different from when he was trying to look townie, and Acro's case is convincing enough. I'll comment more when I have more time. Have to go right now, but will post from cell phone should anyone have any questions. Anyways, ##Vote Toaddestern.
This is the epitome of scummy behavior. Shitty reasoning to 180 his read on TC, citing the "speed" of the wagon and the possibility of modkills to avoid voting sandroba and again, pointing out that Toad is different than when Toad was "trying to look townie. Again, Toad was NOT town in the game Z-Bo is referring to and it is extremely fallacious of him to draw a comparison in my opinion.
There is now the problem of Z-Bo being replaced. austinmcc has made it clear that replacing into this game was not easy, and I can respect that point, but I don't have much of a reason to think he's town or scum, whereas I had an existing scumread on the person he replaced in for. I'm fine with lynching SnB today because that seems like an almost mechanically confirmed scum, but if I don't see anything special from austin to change this read, I'm pushing with all I have to see austin flip.
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I don't particularly enjoy that people don't want to go to EoT strictly out of spite towards draz. However, there do seem to be a decent number of people who want to go back to 600 AD either for confirmed or suspected bonuses. I also have suspected bonuses in that era so I'll lend my vote to it.
##Lynch: Strongandbig ##Epoch: 600 AD
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On December 04 2012 12:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Without looking at zbo's filter your case looks pretty solid hopeless, would you consider him your top lynch candidate after snb? I'll go read his filter tomorrow and give you some thoughts.
What is it you don't "enjoy" about people not wanting to go to EOT because of draz. It's not so much spite as it is weird that he's pushing for it. Yes, austin is my top scumread primarily due to replacing Z-Bo. There's a teensy bit in there for hiding behind his replacement status, but he's at least putting some content into the thread so far. A good chunk is setup speculation, so I'll feel better once he's had a reasonable chance to get caught up, as he can't hide behind that replacement veil forever.
Regarding spite towards draz: As you say, its 'weird' not scummy. I see it as spite towards draz for no other reason than that he's draz. That's an argument for vigging him down, not deciding where to epoch ourselves to, and that's why I have a problem with it. We weren't considering the merits of the EoT, we were considering the merits of not giving draz what he wanted. In any case, I have my own selfish reasons for going to 600AD. I'm not particularly expectant, as my role pm doesn't explicitly allude towards anything, but what the hell, right?
K I'm going to bed. 'Nite.
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Any chance of a votecount?
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On December 05 2012 01:46 strongandbig wrote: Guys leave phagga alone
It's not his fault You should try that concede ability from Mario again, see if it works here.
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Kita, I believe you have silver points. Do you know what you can do with them?
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On December 05 2012 10:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:51 Hopeless1der wrote: Kita, I believe you have silver points. Do you know what you can do with them? Nope. Anyone wanna sell me something? i.e. ask the hosts? I am of the impression you can trade silverpoints for gold, and then give it to TC (or if someone else claims an ability that uses silver points or gold, then I leave it to you to make a read.)
On December 05 2012 10:18 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 10:14 Hapahauli wrote:On December 05 2012 10:12 goodkarma wrote:This flip provides an abundance of information. Kita can be nearly "confirmed" as not scum by simply asking around and confirming that no one else was playing the guessing game the days he claimed to be + Show Spoiler +(I mean maybe they opted not to use their ability multiple nights so he could do this but I find that incredibly unlikely and suboptimal...) . Cave claimed to take headbutt one night. I'm actually not inclined to buy into this as "confirmation" he isn't scum. Headbutt has the unique ability of hardly doing any damage at all. The other of strong's abilities can only be used when a role name is known, making strong effectively in a position of uselessness if he doesn't have a role to go off of. I could completely picture Cave fake claiming headbutt, or even actually taking 1HP headbutt damage + Show Spoiler +(on a night where scum didn't have a role name to target) , as scum to get town cred. It would cost scumteam almost nothing to do... If VE's afk lurk modkill is any indication, scum is disheartened and have given up on this game. Looking for the last one (assuming 5 scum setup) may be as easy as seeing who else has stopped caring. In this context, I can understand how some have decided risk is a good lynch candidate for today. However, I still have reservations. Did it occur to anyone else how absolutely crazy it would be for a mason-type role to be scum-affiliated? I have yet to see this in a game... That aside, I've already discussed how I feel about a risk lynch. I'm still against it.I will be reassessing my reads either tonight or tomorrow morning and making my case for who I feel we should lynch. Can you post the logs from the QT (especially those regarding risk). Also, Mad Men Mafia had some sort of mafia-mason from what I remember. It had more than one mafia mason. I don't think that a mafia mason is unlikely. The madmen mafia was 1 target at a time that masoned you and your target for a cycle. This is a mason tent. That said, I have some more setup speculation to go over.
So far, we have 4 flipped scum. Here are my thoughts:
- Prehistory - Azala/Black Tyranno (Unknown)
- Antiquity - Queen Zeal (Toad) OR* Dalton (unknown) *see below
- Middle Ages - Magus??? (Unknown)
- Present Day - Norstein Bekkler (VisceraEyes/BioSC)
- Future - Mother Brain (Unknown)
- End Of Time - Spekkio (sandroba)
- Black Omen - Queen Zeal (Toad)
- Not specified - Nu (strongandbig)
4 known scum flips and I've outlined a potential 8 as food for thought.
As far as my current reads: ##Lynch: austinmcc
Anyone have thoughts on my case that is primarily on Z-Bo? I'll read into risk.nuke's meta to see if I agree with what Acro has concluded in the meantime. What are we voting for this cycle? Just a lynch?
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There is a degree of confirmation bias in my read, but I will further explain my reasoning at some point during the day tomorrow in response to your points. Lots of content to digest at the moment.
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@Hapa
On December 04 2012 15:03 Hapahauli wrote: @ Hopeless
I'm parsing through your Z-Boson case and I don't agree with it at all. Your 3rd section (about his voting actions on D2) rather strongly indicates that he's town to me.
So Z-Boson has put heavy pressure on StrongandBig (who we're all expecting to flip scum) in the very early game. Then hypothetical scum-ZBo turns down a really easy bussing opportunity (Sandro) to... vote ANOTHER of his teammates? I'm not buying it. He's a bit all-over the place, but it's not scummy at all.
He definitely could be scum but I think his early-game actions speak against it. Furthermore, calling damage-night actions on a replacement is a pretty bad idea. Especially austin, who IMO is pretty easy to read.
The thing about the day 2 voting is that he was on the fence about sand most of the day, spent all of his activity on TC and his Toad suspicions were held in the back of his mind. He never voted for TC and never gave more reasoning on Toad other than Acro's case and Toads activity being different than that game Toad was an Assassin. His aversion to sandroba's wagon based on the days activity is scummy to me. I feel like if just a couple more people had voted TC, he would have been all over that and would have just ignored Toad altogether.
Also, I never explicitly tried to call vig shots on austin (and I've claimed temporary VT), I meant I was going to try to get him flipped via lynch.
As for his "heavy pressure", Z-Bo's case on SnB was complete ass, as Adam has tried to explain to you already. - SnB has played a ton of games with marv, and has a town read on marv super early. - SnB's filter looks like his town filter from Mario Mini. - SnB scum, shoot plox.
I realize the first point is trying to say that marv's activity early in this game is different than others, but I don't think thats necessarily true, and SnB is a WAY better gauge of that than Z-Bo is. His scumread on SnB is complete bullshit, even if it was correct.
I'm looking through SnB's filter, and austin calls him out for not checking in with GreY regarding his role mechanics, and this does feel townie to me, especially the reference to the CPR Doc. it looks like austin is trying to figure things out and can't see a town reason for SnB to do what he did. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2012 06:33 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2012 06:28 austinmcc wrote:SnBLeaning scum. Mainly based on the roleclaim, because ... that's the thing I most have to work with. Forget the rolenaming. Forget his other stupid ability that he claimed. He says: My main ability is Secrets of the Nu, which is the 250 damage/+300 max hp ability (1) SnB says he never asked Grey how this works. Other people seem to be expressing concern that he equated +max HP with "heal" without checking with Grey. Yes, that's questionable. But beyond that...SnB isn't an idiot. If that were actually SnB's ability, he would absolutely have to check with Grey, because...it frigging does 250 damage. The way it's phrased, you can't tell how the parts resolve. Does it do 250 damage to someone, and then, if they're alive, heal them/raise hp? EVEN IF SnB thought +max hp = heal, he has to ask whether he can accidentally kill someone before raising their hp. That's...crazy important. I can believe that he interpreted +max HP to be heal, but I can't believe he wouldn't ask whether both happen at once or whether he basically CPR docs someone if they're under 250 hp. (2) The wording. Grey likes flavor. Grey likes...complex roles that punish gaming the setup (roleclaims, ability claims, whatever). But Grey doesn't create stupid roles. The text of that ability just makes no sense, see (1). If it heals, it should just say "Raise targets max hp 300, heal them for 50." Ta da. It's simple. You can't misinterpret it. Your doc can't kill someone now. Gut feeling, I don't think Grey would create a role that mixed damage/possible heal for no good reason. It's much more likely that SnB has a similar ability, now has to try and find a logical fakeclaim, and so the wording comes out really garbled.
Out of his filter...I don't get too much. But he's only been vocal about a couple topics. His posts are generally pretty small, but perk up on three/four topics. The party election D1 Hapahauli (Maybe toad) Phagga There's one big toad post where he votes toad, although from the looks of it toad was caught by a check. So...scumSnB would have had to do that. But he perks up towards the end of the vote D1, and we know that at least one candidate, Sandroba, was scum. So on two of the topics he's been...more wordy about, scum has been involved. I dunno about ALL of SnB's longer posts being about scum, but I could see Hapa or Phagga being scum just based on the way SnB has posted less when scum wasn't concerned. Maybe one a mislynch candidate, one a scumbuddy? I'll give them a look. i already said that i clarified my ability with greymist, it raises someone's max health but does damage to their current health, and raising max health doesn't change current health. (See nested quote above)
In addition, I'm seeing too many things that require scum to bus. Its possible he bussed hard and bussed often, but Z-Bo could just have a good gut instinct on SnB and Toad this game. The claimed actions seem reasonably verifiable so I'll look into that, but right now I'm not feeling good about lynching austin. ##Unvote(lynch): austinmcc
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Can I get a refresher on the risk.nuke case? Is it primarily Acro's "meta" read into how he grows complacent/disinterested over time?
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On December 06 2012 04:33 syllogism wrote: Acrofales is literally the towniest person in the game based on content and he isn't even town. I'm amazed that he still has it in him to make content based cases, I gave up on that after day 2. Its also a good case without the meta in it. Not having to hunt scum because of obvious targets I could understand, but those questions Acro listed have come up enough times that risk should have answered them by now. ##Lynch: risk.nuke ##Travel to: Middle Ages We'll see if he can come up with a satisfactory response or if he goes the way of the rest of the scum, trolling and screaming.
Middle Ages because I'm still VT and hoping I can regain my abilities.
Out of curiosity,
On December 06 2012 04:29 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 04:27 Keirathi wrote: I assume we have to Epoch to a different time period each cycle, correct? You are so right Are we allowed to know what happens if we all vote for the Present again?
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On December 06 2012 04:50 Promethelax wrote: wait, hope, why do the middle ages give you more abilities? They don't as far as my role pm, but I'm currently VT and my flavor says my keg is empty. Being from the middle ages, I figure its the best place to get a refill. Alternatively my HP is too low. By my count I still have a fully charges shot left (and 1 HP remaining) but I'm not allowed to hit myself to unlock it and I don't know why.
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On December 06 2012 06:37 Acrofales wrote: I just read Zbo's filter and it is completely inconclusive. He has accused pretty much everybody of being scum for rather terrible reasons. Now he may really be trying to figure people out, pressuring them with long cases and reacting to their response, or he could be scum making bad cases on people in order to look townie.
There are some posts that just don't sit right with me, but it could be the problem of English as a second language.
His vote for Sandro D1 is not really indicative of alignment. His reasoning for the vote might be, but depends on meta. He never hopped off, but scum could easily have hopped off: Sandro wasn't getting elected.
His vote for Toad on D2 is also not indicative of alignment. He spends most of the day tunneling TC and never leaves off his scum read, however it was clear that TC was not going to be lynched. Choices were basically Sandro and Toad and a non-Sandro vote is consistent with his D1 behaviour.
After the lynch he makes a couple of posts accusing various people of being scum, but his activity drops off and he never follows up with actions. I will have to look at VE and SnB's filters to see if there's any associative tells, but Zbo's filter doesn't give me much to work with.
At the moment I am liking the test. Austin healing H1 seems like a pretty good idea. H1 is an unlikely target for other protection and I think he's probably town. Lets see if he can get that heal.
Back to deciding between CJ and risk which one is worse. CJ will always be bad. Risk could be useful, he just isn't right now.
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On December 06 2012 06:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 06:35 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 06 2012 04:50 Promethelax wrote: wait, hope, why do the middle ages give you more abilities? They don't as far as my role pm, but I'm currently VT and my flavor says my keg is empty. Being from the middle ages, I figure its the best place to get a refill. Alternatively my HP is too low. By my count I still have a fully charges shot left (and 1 HP remaining) but I'm not allowed to hit myself to unlock it and I don't know why. Lol. I guess saving H1 might not be a good idea. Case 1: austin is town. He heals H1. Scum nails H1 with 151+ damage. H1 dies and we know nothing. Case 2: austin is scum. He nails H1 with any damage at all. H1 dies and we know nothing. Test result: inconclusive. Only advantage is keeping scum KP off people like Syllo. I need to hit myself THEN unlock the vig shot, so I have much more than 1 HP. Scum could probably back calculate what that value is based on how much I hit Toad for. I'm willing to claim my HP remaining at deadline if that helps.
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On December 06 2012 06:48 CaveJohnson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 06 2012 06:37 Acrofales wrote: I just read Zbo's filter and it is completely inconclusive. He has accused pretty much everybody of being scum for rather terrible reasons. Now he may really be trying to figure people out, pressuring them with long cases and reacting to their response, or he could be scum making bad cases on people in order to look townie.
There are some posts that just don't sit right with me, but it could be the problem of English as a second language.
His vote for Sandro D1 is not really indicative of alignment. His reasoning for the vote might be, but depends on meta. He never hopped off, but scum could easily have hopped off: Sandro wasn't getting elected.
His vote for Toad on D2 is also not indicative of alignment. He spends most of the day tunneling TC and never leaves off his scum read, however it was clear that TC was not going to be lynched. Choices were basically Sandro and Toad and a non-Sandro vote is consistent with his D1 behaviour.
After the lynch he makes a couple of posts accusing various people of being scum, but his activity drops off and he never follows up with actions. I will have to look at VE and SnB's filters to see if there's any associative tells, but Zbo's filter doesn't give me much to work with.
At the moment I am liking the test. Austin healing H1 seems like a pretty good idea. H1 is an unlikely target for other protection and I think he's probably town. Lets see if he can get that heal.
Back to deciding between CJ and risk which one is worse. CJ will always be bad. Risk could be useful, he just isn't right now. I find that rather offensive considering I'm one of the only reasons why we even got a lynch this cycle. Let's pretend that this was both verifiable and true. What era will give us another lynch? Unless you know something we don't, you're talking out of your ass like you always do.
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@Acro Given that I have more than 1 HP (i.e. a little more difficult to kill), are you still against me getting the potential heal from austin? I'll claim my current HP before the deadline if it helps.
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On December 06 2012 07:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:03 Hopeless1der wrote: @Acro Given that I have more than 1 HP (i.e. a little more difficult to kill), are you still against me getting the potential heal from austin? I'll claim my current HP before the deadline if it helps. If you feel scum would have to put significant effort into killing you, then I think you're a good target for healing by austin. Okay well the ball's in austin's court anyways.
@austin This era's ability is already locked in as a heal/shield right? If we went to EoT, you would NOT end up using an HP check, correct?
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On December 06 2012 07:31 iamperfection wrote: how much of heal is it austin if you don't mind? 150 heal or 75 shield. Its in the thread bud. + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 02:10 austinmcc wrote:I can't account for the roleblocks or any missing actions. My role is different depending on the time period, but none of them match up. - While in 2300 AD or 12,000 BC I can counterattack anyone who dealt damage to me.
300 damage to the last person that dealt damage to me. If multiple people hit me in the same cycle, it's split amongst them. - While in 600 AD or 1000 AD I can heal/shield
150 HP heal or 75 HP shield. - While in 65,000,000 BC or End of Time, I can find out a target's current hp
Cycle 6 I shielded Syllo. Didn't know everyone's health values, dienosaur was dead before the end of cycle, and out of the people that were being treated as confirmed town, syllo seemed the strongest player to me. Cycle 7 I didn't do anything. Considered counterattacking Adam, making sure he was responsible for the damage on me like he claimed, but nobody counterclaimed the damage. Adam said he wasn't going to keep shooting me, so I figured best not to hit him. One reason I prefer cycles where a lot of people have items/abilities/something waiting for them is that those are the cycles that are useful. I guess I can use End of Time to check a player's HP or two, make sure they're not lying, but otherwise healing/shielding sounds way more useful than an HP check. Especially given that now it's kind of telegraphed.
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He's era limited...have you read his ability properly or are you just basing this on the heal?
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+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2012 09:15 GreYMisT wrote:ABILITY GET!Upon arriving in 12,000 BC, you find a broken down machine labeled the "Epoch". You are not sure, but it looks like you can use this to travel through time. It should be repaired soon, so you better vote where you want to go!
You may now travel through time as a town. You may visit the following periods: 65,000,000 BC (Prehistory), 12,000 BC (antiquity), 600 AD (Middle Ages), 1000 AD (Present), 2300 AD (future), or the End of time. Vote in the voting thread with ##Epoch: <Time Period> (you may use the short names or the actual Year, with a preference for the short names).
You will vote on a new place to travel to each cycle.
It is now cycle 7, A counter on the dashboard of the Epoch reads Mandatory return to 1999 AD - Cycle 12 On December 05 2012 09:14 Mementoss wrote: Gods have trouble counting? Lavos will appear cycle 11 Confirming Cycle 11 - return to 1999AD?
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On December 06 2012 07:51 GreYMisT wrote: Yes, that post had the wrong number because counting is stupid
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1. I don't know if a heal will restore my powers, so I'd say I'm not a priority. However, I am a renewable source of vig hits/untargetability. If I find out how I can continue to drink people under the table, I'd be much more inclined to request heals.
2. Debatable but I think I've exhausted the limits of my role as far as getting more than I already know out of it.
3. There's this restaurant that's open like 24/7 called "Perfect". The food is cheap and sooo good after a late night. amidoingthisrite?
4. My character assists in finding the rainbow shell which is then used to develop all kinds of sweet weapons/armor. If we end up in 600AD I'd be very interested in being on the team. You can read about it here: Rainbow Shell Melchior ends up crafting the weapons, and he's ONE of the 3 gurus, whereas austin is claiming to be all three as his role. He may be a particular one within a given era.
I see no reasonable way to get us both onto a party, let alone one of us, and also, what are the chances that this would even do a damned thing for us? But hey, errant speculation is fun.
I don't suppose anyone has any actual information concerning Lavos?
Hey Kita, did you ever learn anything about your silver points?
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Assuming my ability to do math is intact, I currently have 201 HP remaining, unless there are non-damaging but HP altering abilities that I'm unaware of.
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On December 07 2012 08:16 Promethelax wrote: holy shit. Draz was telling the truth about his role. not quite, but for Draz he was damn close. I have nothing to report, what gives?
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On December 07 2012 08:25 Acrofales wrote: Oh, and KABLAM. Seeing as we have another lynch, do we have anybody else who went conspicuously AFK? Seems like a pretty easy way of catching scum.
Also, GK and Syllo confirmed town? seems like they're confirmed, yes.
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shitty that we basically have no idea how draz's abilities have screwed with us.
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Phagga has claimed Kino, prehistory. + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2012 22:49 phagga wrote:So be it then. first letter of the words: Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 02:56 phagga wrote: Kush is now on my "never-play-with-him-again"-list.
@CaveJohnson I'm confused, are you Drazerk and your role name is The Chef or is your role name Drazerk? First letter of the n-th word in the n-th sentence in each paragraph: Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 06:52 phagga wrote: I went through Syllos filter. I agree that he looks very townie indeed. Before I make a final decision where my vote stands, though, I want to hear from Kita again.
Kita, are you still running with the same team? Or is it possible you'll switch someone out?
Now, I finally need to drive home, it's almost 11pm and I'm still at work. I ought to be home in about 30 minutes, will therefore be online again before deadline if nothing crazy happens.
I am Kino. As per GK's suspects: Z-bo+Austin - Three Gurus, no era Hopeless - Toma, Middle Ages Phagga - Kino, Prehistory Adam - Unknown
On December 07 2012 10:57 goodkarma wrote: Quick question:
As best I can tell from the spreadsheet, no one has an ability that does 75 damage directly to a target (the closest I can find is 75 indirect damage as effect of Hapa's claimed "flamethrower" ability. So exactly whose ability could phagga have "copied" when he shot me?
I also don't see where that 75 damage came from. For that matter, how many people have claimed targeting phagga anyways? I don't seem to remember anyone doing so, and I don't see anything in the spreadsheet.
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On December 07 2012 10:57 goodkarma wrote: Quick question:
As best I can tell from the spreadsheet, no one has an ability that does 75 damage directly to a target (the closest I can find is 75 indirect damage as effect of Hapa's claimed "flamethrower" ability. So exactly whose ability could phagga have "copied" when he shot me?
Also, Hapa was roleblocked the night in question so there's another wrench to throw into the problem of who dealt that damage.
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On December 07 2012 12:41 iamperfection wrote: i got 50 damage and a role bock as well that wasn't claimed Doesn't that mean you were targeted for 200 damage?
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derp, how else could you have healed syllo...
On December 07 2012 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote: From what I can see from the claims, hopeless and phagga look the scummiest May I ask why my claim is scummy?
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##Travel to: Prehistory ##Lynch: austinmcc
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Dreamstone or something? It scarcely matters to me at this point where we go, but we cant stay here.. Z-bo's shield on hapa doesnt seem to exist. Why not vote now?
Also, why is my claim scummy?
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On December 07 2012 14:32 Oatsmaster wrote: I meant that your actions dont really make sense from a town perspective. It may not be scummy, I dont know. What changed from like 3 cycles ago, when you were saying that you should be lynched blah blah?
Also, All 75 damage caused origined from me and syllo. I think.
That assumed Toad was town and Acro was scum.
On December 07 2012 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote: From what I can see from the claims, hopeless and phagga look the scummiest What is this referring to, in both our cases?
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he claimed to attack sand so uhh....
On November 25 2012 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Ok sounds legit Also I am roleclaiming to prevent scum from claiming first. And also to be on the team and the party leader I am Robo I have an ability that can hit for 50hp. I cant use it consecutive nights. Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 07:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Do the mods need a machine to do the counting for them? lol I have not really been hitting on sandro the whole game but I think that with his inactivity, there is a good chance that he is scum. Machine = robot=robo I targeted sandro in the first cycle.
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On December 07 2012 15:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Im referring to the abilities used and the way you used them.
Thats a really shitty explanation, just saying.
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On December 07 2012 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you angry that I implied that you are scum? Sorry. Anyway, strong and big was scum mainly cause the abilities he used didnt really match up with what he was saying so why not use that to find more scum. Do you agree that there is at least 1 scum on the list? Yes, I currently believe it is austin. I'm angry that you refuse to explain in what way my claims are unsubstantiated, or that I'm lying. The only thing is the missing hit on CJ, which has occurred to Kita as well, but he's not on that list strictly because VE was making him play sidegames. I have no problem with you implying I'm scum, I simply ask that you be prepared to back it up.
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On December 07 2012 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Basically its because you hit hapa for 222. It was a quick look through, also I read through z-bos filter and I dont think that its scummy The hit itself or the number 222?
and what are your thoughts on the N1 shield on Hapa that dissolved? Did he get targeted with an additional 75 unclaimed damage, or was it never there?
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On December 07 2012 16:07 Oatsmaster wrote: The hit itself, why Hapa?
About the n1 shield. He claimed 100 damage right? Who claimed the hit on him? What is the scum motivation for fakeclaiming a shield on Hapa cycle 1?
Because I thought he was scum at the time.
Toad claimed the hit on Hapa. The shield is extremely difficult to verify. Could be a way to hide a non-damage non-roleblock ability (like heal-prevention for example). The heal is easily verified. Going to bed.
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On December 06 2012 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I was already at full health before the last cycle ended, so I guess wasted heal Iamp. Lynch risk currently but I would like to think about it for a bit
Why would you not point this out before someone had the opportunity to heal you? Also, how do you have a 75 damage shot when your initial claim was for 50, and not usable on consecutive nights.
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Oats, why did you shoot phagga?
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On December 08 2012 10:08 Oatsmaster wrote: I thought he might have been scum Why didn't you shoot SnB?
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On December 08 2012 10:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt, I dont really want to explain why.
Oh those, I hit z-bo, dont know about the rest.
and this somehow ties into the fact that we should be lynching.....who exactly???? Why is it worth withholding this information?
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On December 08 2012 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt do anymore damage that I already claimed.
Can you, or have you ever been able to, perform more than one action on a given Night?
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How many times have you performed more than one action on a given night?
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Well I'm willing to buy that. Austin don't forget to Epoch-vote. ##Unvote ##Lynch: Phagga ##Travel To: Prehistory
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Are we allowed to vote for a No-Lynch?
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I want heals to see if I get my vig powers back.
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Cycle 10: 24 or 48 hours?
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On December 09 2012 08:10 syllogism wrote: Austin did not go anywhere Pardon? A heal was not attempted???
Austin, an explanation? Also, I'd like you to inquire about your abilitiies in 1999 AD if you haven't already. It wasn't clear if you knew from this post:
On December 06 2012 07:39 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:35 iamperfection wrote: austin your stronger than me why is that? (1) awwww, you're gonna make me blush (2) do you even lift, bro? (3) I don't know, you'd have to ask Grey (I assume he won't answer) Best guess would be that I can only heal in 2/6 of eras. And if we fight lavos in 1999, then I apparently can't heal or shield or anything during that event, if it's multicycle and only in 1999.
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If a player dies during the Lavos encounter, do we see their flip?
Prom, we can't vote for a No-Lynch. I don't know how many heals we have lying around. I'd love one as a test, but I can't confirm that anything special (other than I'd live longer) would come of it.
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The part where I explicitly asked in-thread?
On December 09 2012 08:33 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 08:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Are we allowed to vote for a No-Lynch? No
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On December 10 2012 12:08 Promethelax wrote: "I didn't mess you claiming 3p did I?"
I actually have no idea what you are trying to say there. he meant "miss" instead of "mess". Oats is being incorrigible
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CAN a third party player be counted towards the Town-count for damage dealt to Lavos?
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that'll depend on the answer to my question.
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Oats I want you to explain why you shot phagga instead of SnB after SnB was the only player to report activating your poximity mine.
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Seems like Acro is a safer lynch as far as not risking the loss of a townie.
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On December 10 2012 13:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 13:01 goodkarma wrote:If there's one alternative scum suspect other than austin I would say it would have to be Hapa. The guy has been fairly disinterested for a long stretch here, which is neither town nor scum indicative given how tired we all are of this game... However, what's stood out most to me about his play is that the only suspect I clearly recall him pressuring was phagga. A large chunk of this game he's been subjected to the rather bad "Your night actions don't check out. Therefore, scum..." argument (bad because there was no scum motive for it). I had no problem with him defending his actions, but the zeal with which he did it did stand out to me. I mean, on a day where no one was seriously pushing to lynch him he repeatedly commented on how he wanted a case to defend against and in the process did little to no scumhunting at all... Add to that the scumshot that Hapa allegedly took at a time where he clearly was not the optimal target for scum (why not syllo or dieno???) and things feel a bit off. Further, it's been commented before that flamethrower is a rather ridiculous ability for town to have due to all the secondary damage town would likely take. Speculation to be sure, but something to think about. If for whatever reason austin really is town, and the last scum really has done a good job of "blending in," then Hapa's filter would be the first filter I'd dive into. I bet Hapa will angrily ask for a case to defend against now, but I just wanted to throw this out there as something to think about. + Show Spoiler +Sadly, my motivation too is pretty low right now given the length of this game T.T... *angrily asks for a case* But seriously... SnB, VE, and Risk tried to get me lynched. Therefore I clearly should be a scum suspect. Busses happen, and you're the scariest person that could reasonably be scum due to your claim.
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On December 10 2012 13:03 TheChronicler wrote: Someone link me to Acro being confirmed third party, please. I figure I might as well look at it and can't find anything in his filter that confirms it.
Correct me if I'm wrong. This is how I've followed it.
1) Acro/hopeless different 2) Acro claims third party 3) Acro gets taken on the random mission led by our glorious leader Dienosore and we fail. On this mission with Acro are Keirathi and Goodkarma. These two haven't flipped, so maybe they're scum, but I don't think Keir is scum. For me this narrows our loss to GK and acro. Acro as a claimed third party makes me think he's the reason we lost. 4) We decide to lynch austin and everyone then decides to lynch phagga. Now we're lynching austin again.
So... fill me in? I still believe austin is scum b/c of z-bo and Acro is third party b/c of austin's recent interactions with him, I'm just trying to figure out how people know he's third party. To me he's most likely third party witha side possibility of bus. Looking at austin's most recent post makes me think he knows Acro isn't scum (then again, somehow everyone in here seems to know acro isn't scum except me. The guy who checked him against hopeless), and if austin flips scum it almost confirms acro as third party/scum, to me. I don't see a townie claiming third party. This would therefor confirm hopeless as town to me, disregarding the off chance that I hit third party/scum. But then why isn't hopeless pushing for an acro lynch since in hopeless' mind he should KNOW acro isn't town if hopeless is town.
Ergo quid pro quo etc, we lynch austin. I know that Acro is not town, but I don`t know if he`s third party or scum. He`s been a major part of catching Toad and risk.nuke, despite having claimed 3rd party, but his cases didn't feel forced or faked. The only reason I want to lynch him now is because he doesn't count towards our damage on Lavos.
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On December 10 2012 13:14 TheChronicler wrote: Major part of catching Toad? By claiming that he was scum after I had already said in thread that they were the same alignment? Wtf? Yes, with a case and a vote the previous day and his own 'red' check
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Can I have a goddamn heal please?
/afk
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How the hell isn't Toad dead 3 times over? The night CJ used turducken, I also fired 400 damage at him. Like...even if CJ was at full (which he most certainly was not) it should have been for way more than 350. Who the hell was blocking for him?
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On December 11 2012 09:24 Toadesstern wrote: This is going to be hilarious. Flipped mafia, getting back into the game.
I'm totally a new guy, I've changed my life! I'm good now, believe me :3 Toad how did you avoid taking so much damage?
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On December 11 2012 09:26 Acrofales wrote: Also, if nobody took factional damage, I think we can safely assume that austin was the last scum, even though the daypost didn't say so. There's always Hapa, right?
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On December 11 2012 09:33 Acrofales wrote: You realize Drazerk could have been lying? He was lying about some other stuff (like his rolename), so the whole Turducken thing could have been bullshit. He was definitely lying about his health (or he would've died way sooner), so who knows that that Turducken thing actually did. It doesn't matter. Toad died, he was Queen Zeal the first time round and is still Queen Zeal. He probably controls the scum's factional KP in addition to whatever nasty abilities he was revived with. Presumably his role has changed quite a bit, because summoning Lavos early is now deprecated. Bleh, fine I'll figure it out at endgame
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On December 11 2012 10:01 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 10:00 kitaman27 wrote: Didn't Greymist confirm that factional kp no longer exist? Oh yes, thank god for that. Toad might still be able to Mammon Machine HP back into Lavos by stealing from townies.
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On December 11 2012 11:06 iamperfection wrote: For you guys going afk we might need your actions im on vacation if I can check the thread you can too yeah that'll be great. As soon as I get an action to use, you'll know.
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On December 12 2012 02:34 Promethelax wrote: I just want to share with someone who is not getting healed. Basically my damage output only comes from me dying so I need to be killed before the end if I'm to help at all so me eating a heal sucks for us. I want to damage share one of our damage dealers so that they can continue to deal damage longer (hopefully, though that random thing sucks) and being connected to two players, myself and the sharee, should make it so I die sooner.
Well..as long as at least one other townie survives, I'd say to try to protect someone from Lavos and play the chances that you die first. Otherwise, we just keep running our default (200 + Townies*25).
Does seed-shield not work anymore or you feel damage share is stronger?
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On December 12 2012 04:29 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 02:46 TheChronicler wrote: bc not only does that get you closer to death out effectively doubles hopeless' shot ability Not a bad idea at all. Someone needs to heal Hope for him to get his vig back though. I'll seed GK tonight and hope that he isn't targeted by Lavos, this will hopefully raise his hp by 100 from the shield allowing him to tank more hits. Imp: can you heal Hope tonight so that he can use his vig powers again? If you do I'll damage share with him next night so that he takes half damage from Lavos and I'll point my hatter ability at Lavos (obviously).
I'm a dunce and haven't even tried to confirm I can regain my powers, so I'm doing that now...
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confirmed, heals restore vig powers
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I'm currently 249 HP short of my max, to my knowledge.
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On December 12 2012 06:03 Promethelax wrote: your max is 500? Not quite. Is the actual total relevant? I just don't want to waste things on a possible over-heal
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Math, the lost artform. =P
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On December 12 2012 06:09 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 06:06 Promethelax wrote: not really relevant, no. I just though I remembered you saying that you had 151 health left. Which now that I write it down reminds me that math doesn't work that way and that the total is 400. No need for you to confirm/deny anything though.
Trying to keep myself interested in this game mostly. If that's what you're doing, try to puzzle out whether Adam is scum or not. Weird shit going on with him and austin. He continued to fight to push austin's lynch as opposed to yours...You think he was too confident or something?
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On December 12 2012 06:09 iamperfection wrote: My upgrade allows me to raise max hp so it dosent matter sweetass
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On December 12 2012 06:12 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2012 06:09 Acrofales wrote:On December 12 2012 06:06 Promethelax wrote: not really relevant, no. I just though I remembered you saying that you had 151 health left. Which now that I write it down reminds me that math doesn't work that way and that the total is 400. No need for you to confirm/deny anything though.
Trying to keep myself interested in this game mostly. If that's what you're doing, try to puzzle out whether Adam is scum or not. Weird shit going on with him and austin. My problem is that at this point in the game I don't care. Finding him as scum or not doesn't help me. I still need to do what I need to do and that is protect town assets and hope Lavos kills me so I can hit him. Everyone but me could be scum and as long as they were still trying to fool me by hitting Lavos I wouldn't give a shit. Also I'll start thinking about how many scum are left when we get a damage report on Lavos soon. At that point when all damage is claimed, we'll know how many town are left. Not exactly, we still have to do that math thing involving "claimed" damage.
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HOLY SHIT! Acro you better hurry up
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(we're allowed to post rite?)
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Prom, if you tether someone and they're healed, what happens?
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Or perhaps Mammon Machine is still active
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I was healed, took no damage
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On December 12 2012 08:21 Toadesstern wrote:I took some damage. Lavos probably punching me But wasn't that much so I'm fine. cool story, scum
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I max out at 400 damage (costs 200 of my HP). I will activate tonight, and I guess decide where to fire tomorrow.
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seems like we did roughly 500 as a town, give or take 50-ish?
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On December 12 2012 22:36 Acrofales wrote: Nvm. OP isn't updated, there's 13 alive. Toad revived, still 14.
Maximum 12 town
1100/2000 Lavos = 900 damage dealt
Damage against Lavos: 200 - Town Base Damage ??? - (# of Town x 25)
Claimed: 250 - Kita 150 - syllogism
300 Damage unaccounted for, exactly 12 townies worth. I'm confuzzled as to why Hapa and Oats failed to hit Lavos. The math just doesn't work out unless there are 3 scum left (including Toad) and Oats hit for 50, which means Hapa, Toad and some 3rd person is scum. (Hapa because he didnt' shoot Lavos)
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On December 13 2012 00:28 Acrofales wrote: No. OP is further out of date: Phagga is dead too.
13 alive. maximum 11 town.
If nobody else is scum, then that makes it 475 damage, plus 400 from syllo and kita. 25 damage missing cannot be explained in any way claimed.
1 extra scum: 450 + 400 from syllo and kita. 50 damage can be explained in two different ways. First is that oats sent in a night action before going on holiday and punched for 50. However, that means Hapa didn't shoot, because he claimed not being roleblocked. Only reason I can think of for Hapa not to shoot is if he's scum.
2 extra scum: 425 + 400 from syllo and kita. 75 damage is weird and can only be explained if kita did not count as a target for syllo's ability, or Hapa lied about the 3rd level of his flamethrower.
Either way, Hapa's shot is missing, unless there are 3 scum in addition to Toad, which seems outrageous. The alternative is that Kita or Syllo is lying. Out of the two, Kita lying seems more likely, but I happen to believe them both. Kita's claim of being Crono at least is true. Luminaire was cast. The rest just seems to line up too. That leaves Hapahascummy. Whoops...Is there any chance that scum being alive will take hits for Lavos or something like that?
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On December 13 2012 04:36 Acrofales wrote: Pistol was 1-shot according to Syllo. However, there's more weird stuff with Oats: he claimed doing 75 damage twice while Syllo claims the pistol is 1-shot. Did he claim twice? I thought just the one shot for 75 on phagga.
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On December 07 2012 17:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I claim the 75 on phagga
On December 08 2012 10:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt, I dont really want to explain why.
Oh those, I hit z-bo, dont know about the rest.
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He never actually confirms he hit Z-Bo for 75, but claims the hit, so I'm left to assume.
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Oh, also:
On December 13 2012 04:26 Promethelax wrote: Why Hapa too? Just because of total damage?
8 man scum team fucks me in the ear. I was thinking five all game. Six messed with me. Revived Toad messed with me. 8 blows my mind.
(Updated)- Prehistory - Azala/Black Tyranno (Unknown)
- Antiquity - Three Guru's (Austinmcc) (They lived in Antiquity)
- Middle Ages - WHERE IS MIDDLE AGES SCUM?!?! (unknown)
- Present Day - Norstein Bekkler (VisceraEyes/BioSC)
- Future - Mother Brain (risk.nuke)
- End Of Time - Spekkio (sandroba)
- Black Omen - Queen Zeal (Toad)
- Not specified - Nu (strongandbig)
lol...
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On December 11 2012 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Well I got hit for 400 damage, fun times. Full Claim. I have 3 abilities. I can only use 1 at a time Rocket punch deals 50 damage but cant be used twice in a row. Poximity bomb deals 100 damage to whoever visits me Heal Beam heals/protects my target for 100 hp. The 75 damage was from a pistol I got by being the leader of a successful party. I don't see how he managed a second shot for 75 damage...
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GG! Thanks GreY and mementoss
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Not that it matters, but based on the PM's I got, there was no way for me to track my own damage to know I was at 1 HP for a long time. Was that intentional?
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On December 13 2012 10:27 GreYMisT wrote: Hopeless it was originally possible for you to kill yourself with your ability Also, Slurp Slash`s 50 damage was never reported either. And yeah, I would never have tried to get myself below zero if I was made aware that I was in fact taking damage from drinking!
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On December 13 2012 10:39 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 10:38 GreYMisT wrote:On December 13 2012 10:37 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 13 2012 10:27 GreYMisT wrote: Hopeless it was originally possible for you to kill yourself with your ability Also, Slurp Slash`s 50 damage was never reported either. And yeah, I would never have tried to get myself below zero if I was made aware that I was in fact taking damage from drinking! it was in your role Pm im pretty sure Welcome To Chrono Trigger Mafia! You are Toma. You are the legendary drunk adventurer! You therefore have the ability to Take a Drink! you know that alcohol unlocks the hero inside of you. In order to unlock your hidden powers, you must drink! At night you may drink to cause X amount of damage to yourself where X is a number you choose (up to 200). The next night you will unlock your hidden potential which will be more powerful the drunker you are! You have 450 max HP. You win with the Town This is true, but from Night 1:
Original Message From Mementoss: You are drunk! You took 63 damage! You have gained a new ability!
Kegstand - You are untargettable! You can do 126 damage to your select target!
From Night 3:
Original Message From GreYMisT: You took 75 Damage! You are also Drunk now. You may use Keg stand for 400 Damage
I was left to assume some of the damage had been prevented.
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On December 13 2012 10:44 GreYMisT wrote: Ah i see what you mean, You should have inquired about that and I see how it is confusing. From my perspective it was clear (of course thats a bit easy for me to say). I guess, but tbh I: A) suspected heals/preventions B) Didn't think you'd confirm those roles for me.
On December 13 2012 10:50 GreYMisT wrote: Also I left many of the important side characters availible for mafia fakeclaims, as well as made the Guru's mafia. Also Kita gets a special mention as having the most silver coins in the game. Which makes him the double winner.
Another thing of interest was it was my original plan to factor in the pregame millineium fair fun. I was going to role-block everyone I deemed to have been "bad" at the fair, just like what happens in the game. Seriously? Silver points were a total red herring?
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On December 13 2012 10:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 10:55 Hapahauli wrote: Speaking of role design, my abilities (Lucca) seemed really underwhelming to some of the other abilities that have been revealed throughout the game... was there something I was missing about how my abilities should be used? Yours? Well he was Lucca, yet my role seems like it was more powerful.
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On December 13 2012 10:58 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 10:54 GreYMisT wrote: Oh yea Dieno your role was originally REALLY overpowered.
instead of slurp slash you could simply choose to avoid all night actions on you every night.
when you got below 150 HP you could deal 200 damage to 3 targets each night. All he would have to do is avoid the lynch all game and hes immune to death? What in the... haha that's crazy! I knew as soon as the N1 post rolled around with no-one dead that I was going to be in for a rough game as far as predicting deaths was concerned. He could still die to event damage I think..
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On December 13 2012 11:03 GreYMisT wrote: The RB track that syllo had was very powerfull, but I originally thought that he would spend most of the game on foot, haha. I thought to myself that I would have to somehow hope that he uses his other power, lol.
So what do you guys think is the coolest role in the game? Give me one for Mafia and one for not mafia. The Entity
Three Gurus
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On December 13 2012 13:17 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 12:56 Djodref wrote:On December 13 2012 11:17 Dienosore wrote: Hey mafia, how angry were you that I wouldn't die lol
If they didn't send me on that silly mission with 1hp, I probably would have lived forever I shouldn't have claimed taking care of you at all. I don't think I played my role at best, it was a very powerful one. Thank to the hosts ! Really great game ! Thanks to everyone ! Really impressed by Acro performance Town MVP for sure austin <3 Risen, I knew that you were mafia ! Nice job by getting back to the confirmed town side ^^ I think that the game would have been different in some mafia players would have been on the party D1. D1 was the easiest event ever and I think it had a big influence on the rest of the game. What would have happened if I had chosen Magus as my master ? You would have been masoned with him and gained his wincon Would he have joined the Magus Party, and shared a "Magus survives" win or would both Magus and his cat have had to survive to claim victory?
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On December 14 2012 04:19 Acrofales wrote: Risen, I was almost agreeing with you, until I started reasoning it out. The lack of information about how parties worked turned out to be a boon for town, but D1 working out differently could have completely screwed them over.
Town (and everybody) had so little information that we assumed a straightforward system, while the actual system was way more convoluted. This assumption turned out to work really well, but could equally well have screwed town over monumentously. Assume for a second that Sandro or Toad managed to form the party and took 3 townies along. That person does not get lynched the next day and is in a good position to be in the party again. This party is FORCED to take 2 unconfirmed townies along. These will probably BOTH get lynched before the whole system is exposed.
One thing scum should really have payed more attention to was the bit in the OP where it said that failing a party would be extremely bad for town. Nowhere is this mentioned in your QT that you should make a combined effort to get into a party. A push to really be included in the first party could have done SO much for you. However, not a single scummer even tried to look townie in D1:
Sandro started off well, but went afk and never came back. Toad derped around. SnB was away. risk.nuke never manages to make himself look excessively townie. Zbo started okay, but never more than that. TC started really well, but let it slip until at the end of the day he was actually a scumspect. BioSC was lurking.
Using the 7 members to make a strong push for 1 player being REALLY townie and getting included on the party would have set scum up for about 5 cycles worth of town chaos.
Also, you say you didn't have enough KP, but I honestly think that is false. SnB had 250 to claimers, in addition to his 20% HP destroyer. Sandro had 200 over time, VE had quite a lot of conditional, Toad had 100, risk had 150 conditional and you yourself had some random KP. Add 200 factional KP and by making directed use of your KP to kill off healers and other protective roles (or in the beginning just focusing on strong town characters like Marv, Syllo or Kita), you could have killed off far more than 7 players at night. Hell, as it is 6 townies died and that was while severely derping up the KP.
The way the game played out it looks like a landslide victory for town that scum was incapable of stopping, but with better D1 play (taking advantage of the sheer number of scummers) and more coordinated night actions, it could absolutely have been possible to hit Lavos in a very advantageous position. In addition to if the scumteam was looking more townie, it becomes more likely that town KP gets pointed at other townies (GK, Phagga, me, etc.) letting you guys focus down clarity or lamp with your factional KP and then town has very limited heals left.
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