Clearly, scum bugs would have shot me. 100%. And he would have most likely won the game by doing it. This is because stutters stated that he thought bugs was 'nearly confirmed town'. If stutters had died, I would have realized that bugs is not scum, which leaves Prom by process of elimination. You'd be no better off then than you are now. And you would in fact be worse off because bugs almost certainly would have voted you with me.
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sciberbia
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Clearly, scum bugs would have shot me. 100%. And he would have most likely won the game by doing it. This is because stutters stated that he thought bugs was 'nearly confirmed town'. If stutters had died, I would have realized that bugs is not scum, which leaves Prom by process of elimination. You'd be no better off then than you are now. And you would in fact be worse off because bugs almost certainly would have voted you with me. | ||
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On January 04 2013 09:42 Promethelax wrote: Nope, you are wrong. Scum me shoots you, bugs has wanted stutters lynched all game. I could have walked to the easy endgame by consistently pushing Stutters. My play is not and cannot be scum motivated. Stutters look, this game is on your shoulders. Sci is the last scum. Please vote him. This night kill only makes sense from a scum Sci, not a scum prox. Look at it. When I called him out on his lie, he is now saying that scum Prom would have shot Stutters. Which is also incorrect. Scum Prom shot bugs. I hope you see the inconsistency. | ||
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On January 04 2013 10:49 Promethelax wrote: If I was night killing not you it would be stutters. You had a stated town read on me and a scum read on bugs. You had both me and stutters as town. Y u no logic? Sci=scum. Stutters do the right thing. Lynch Sci, lynch scum, win the game for town. I'm around and I'll do whatever you need me to do to convince you that Sci is scum. No inconsistency you lying scum. "If I was night killing not you..." Lookee here Stutters, Sci is misintirpreting what I say to make it sound scummy. Lynch Sci lynch scum! | ||
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I assumed that was your way of admitting you were lying. But apparently not. Are you still trying to maintain that scum Prom would have shot me last night? Or not? You can't have it both ways. | ||
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I'm not entirely understanding the pushing me thing Prom. What would your case have done if I was NKd? Would it have made a difference to your plan? What specifically would pushing pushing me do to out scib? Seems strange mentioning him specifically during the resolution period and not a scenario where what'd you do if scib got shot, I got shot, or what you think if you had gotten shot (other than that you think I was town suddenly). Unless I'm missing your logic it feels like you knew this scenario was coming and were trying to buddy up to me. | ||
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During the last day I created a gambit to prove to myself that Sci was the last scum and that it wasn't just my paranoia setting in. I have, in the past, been overly paranoid of the most townie guy in the thread and didn't want to make that mistake at Lylo. I knew that a scum bugs would have to NK Sci and a scum stutters would have to NK me or Sci and a scum Sci would have to NK bugs because you and I were only on each other. I said it during night resolution to prove that this wasn't oppertunistic, that this had been my gambit the whole time. Your play had weaknesses some of which were scummy but you were my best town read. Like you I have the pleasure of only having to figure out which of two others is scum. I knew I could use the night kill to either out Sci or put myself in your shoes, finding the last scum between you and bugs but I was most suspicious of Sci at that point and I was right. | ||
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Me- I have said I think you a town, everyone has to work it out for themselves since I am dead. Though wbg is probably the scum. You- only scum who would shoot you is me. Wasn't worried about that at all. Sci - you me and bugs left, I go filter diving for the whole day and probably end up voting bugs since you we're more townie than he was Bugs-you've seen for yourself. I put all my cards on the table and pray you can figure out that I am town even though I tunnelled you and have been a dick this game. | ||
Stutters695
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On January 04 2013 11:48 Promethelax wrote: Do you remember why dibbers said that there was a scum in the town circle when he was trying to avoid the lynch? I've been thinking about that all game because the plan I suggested and pushed of lynching you bugs and Vivax in a row would kill all the non-confirmed townies besides myself and I have the good fortune of being mod confirmed to myself. I have had a niggling suspicion about Sci all game long. His day one push of wiggles hasn't actually been followed up with good scum hunting, he or I (zelblade) make the most sense for a balanced scum team, he has been playing under the radar and during the Vivax lynch I had a revelation that the end game player almost certainly had to be Sci. Since I was clearly a guy everyone was suspicious of I assumed I would make it to Lylo so lying about my reads would not matter since no one would being using them as the reads of a flipped townie. During the last day I created a gambit to prove to myself that Sci was the last scum and that it wasn't just my paranoia setting in. I have, in the past, been overly paranoid of the most townie guy in the thread and didn't want to make that mistake at Lylo. I knew that a scum bugs would have to NK Sci and a scum stutters would have to NK me or Sci and a scum Sci would have to NK bugs because you and I were only on each other. I said it during night resolution to prove that this wasn't oppertunistic, that this had been my gambit the whole time. Your play had weaknesses some of which were scummy but you were my best town read. Like you I have the pleasure of only having to figure out which of two others is scum. I knew I could use the night kill to either out Sci or put myself in your shoes, finding the last scum between you and bugs but I was most suspicious of Sci at that point and I was right. It make sense, but surely you | ||
Stutters695
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It makes sense but surely you see how easily the inverse can be true.Based off of the "almost confirmed town" quote, scum you would think that you can't have a bugs/I endgame because you assume I'll vote with bugs/convince bugs of voting with me. You talk yourself into saying you can't kill me because if I die Bugs/Scib will talk themselves into lynching you due to the fact that no one else really has anything to gain from a Stutters death. Thus you reason that your only chance of winning is to do a desperation gambit where you "tunnel" me to leave the option open of either shooting me or pushing me for a lynch depending on how the town reads it. I'm not saying that is what is happening, but throwing WIFOM isn't going to prove he's scum when I have no way of knowing. If you're town you're probably completely right, but nothing you've said helps establish yourself as town outside of speculation. | ||
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On January 04 2013 14:41 Stutters695 wrote: ebwop, fucking keyboard man. It makes sense but surely you see how easily the inverse can be true.Based off of the "almost confirmed town" quote, scum you would think that you can't have a bugs/I endgame because you assume I'll vote with bugs/convince bugs of voting with me. You talk yourself into saying you can't kill me because if I die Bugs/Scib will talk themselves into lynching you due to the fact that no one else really has anything to gain from a Stutters death. Thus you reason that your only chance of winning is to do a desperation gambit where you "tunnel" me to leave the option open of either shooting me or pushing me for a lynch depending on how the town reads it. I'm not saying that is what is happening, but throwing WIFOM isn't going to prove he's scum when I have no way of knowing. If you're town you're probably completely right, but nothing you've said helps establish yourself as town outside of speculation. I know it's all wifom and I know it's not conclusive to you but I'm trying to let you see my full thought process so that you can understand my thought process. My goal here is to let you see things from my point of view so that you can see that my mindset is townie. The fact that I decided to make this a50/50 lynch between me and Sci should give you the insight you need but, as always, I am aware of it so you can't be sure. Let me walk you through it though, If I was the last scum I could wait to post, I have had real life things come up, and let you and Sci talk for a little while waltz in here and accuse the weaker of the two of you. As town I am forced to attack the guy I actually think is scum though and that is Sci who, up until I started pushing him, was in the strongest position of the three of us. Lesson I have learned is that as scum you can never attack a guy with more town cred than you. I could, and can, only do that as a townie. If we lose I'll blame myself for not playing this game right at all. But I think I have put us in a position where we can win. It's up to you stutters, make us win. Be town's hero. Look at the way Sci flflops on me today, he is a better player than what he is pretending to be here. He said I was scum for lying about my scum read on you but he is well aware that bad gambits are almost always townies and that by doing what I have done I have put myself up for the lynch when I could have continued to tunnel you and been consistent with my stated reads and pushed the easier lynch. My play here is either abysmally stupid scum play or weird town gambit. Which is more likely? I am town, Sci is scum. | ||
sciberbia
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On January 04 2013 11:48 Promethelax wrote: Do you remember why dibbers said that there was a scum in the town circle when he was trying to avoid the lynch? I've been thinking about that all game because the plan I suggested and pushed of lynching you bugs and Vivax in a row would kill all the non-confirmed townies besides myself and I have the good fortune of being mod confirmed to myself. I have had a niggling suspicion about Sci all game long. His day one push of wiggles hasn't actually been followed up with good scum hunting, he or I (zelblade) make the most sense for a balanced scum team, he has been playing under the radar and during the Vivax lynch I had a revelation that the end game player almost certainly had to be Sci. Since I was clearly a guy everyone was suspicious of I assumed I would make it to Lylo so lying about my reads would not matter since no one would being using them as the reads of a flipped townie. During the last day I created a gambit to prove to myself that Sci was the last scum and that it wasn't just my paranoia setting in. I have, in the past, been overly paranoid of the most townie guy in the thread and didn't want to make that mistake at Lylo. I knew that a scum bugs would have to NK Sci and a scum stutters would have to NK me or Sci and a scum Sci would have to NK bugs because you and I were only on each other. I said it during night resolution to prove that this wasn't oppertunistic, that this had been my gambit the whole time. Your play had weaknesses some of which were scummy but you were my best town read. Like you I have the pleasure of only having to figure out which of two others is scum. I knew I could use the night kill to either out Sci or put myself in your shoes, finding the last scum between you and bugs but I was most suspicious of Sci at that point and I was right. @Stutters Prom's "gambit" does not follow logically. Regardless of who Prom said he thought was scum yesterday, the fact remains that you and bugs were both suspicious of Prom. It's very simple. Both scum bugs and scum stutters would almost surely have shot me last night. The fact that I am not dead means that either Prom or I must be scum. Prom's "gambit" of saying he was most suspicious of you would not accomplish anything even if I were scum. It's not even relevant to why it is now clear that both yourself and bugs are both town. He had to play it off as some sort of gambit though, because he knew that he could never get me to vote for you after he shot bugs. Also, Prom gives absolutely no reasoning as to why he thought I was scum prior to today. If Prom were town, I guarantee you that he would not take the word of a flipped Serial Killer that there is a scum in the town circle. He says he "had the revelation" that I must be scum, and provides no reasoning for why he found me more suspicious than bugs or yourself. Sorry if I'm overwhelming you, but Prom's story is just so full of holes I can't resist pointing them out. Also, notice how he lied about saying he could have won by shooting me, and has been avoiding the issue since I called him out on it. | ||
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I absolutely believe that as scum I would have won by killing you, I would have a drugged up bugs and the oft lucky stutters to contend with. I am a solid mid tier player and would have won that argument. Stutters calling bugs confirmed when he clearly wasn't is a scum tell, reveal of information blah blah blah. Stutters lynched and I win. Stutters look at what Sci is doing, he is finding little nit picky things in my posts which don't point to me being scum and calls me out on them hoping you aren't smart enough to figure it out. I was not lying that the best shot for me as scum was him and he knows it. I didn't ignore him and I'm happy to keep explaining my thought process to you. Sci is scum and he and I both know it. It's on your shoulders stutters, what can I do to help you make the right choice? | ||
sciberbia
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On January 04 2013 16:00 Promethelax wrote: I know it's all wifom and I know it's not conclusive to you but I'm trying to let you see my full thought process so that you can understand my thought process. My goal here is to let you see things from my point of view so that you can see that my mindset is townie. The fact that I decided to make this a50/50 lynch between me and Sci should give you the insight you need but, as always, I am aware of it so you can't be sure. Let me walk you through it though, If I was the last scum I could wait to post, I have had real life things come up, and let you and Sci talk for a little while waltz in here and accuse the weaker of the two of you. As town I am forced to attack the guy I actually think is scum though and that is Sci who, up until I started pushing him, was in the strongest position of the three of us. Lesson I have learned is that as scum you can never attack a guy with more town cred than you. I could, and can, only do that as a townie. If we lose I'll blame myself for not playing this game right at all. But I think I have put us in a position where we can win. It's up to you stutters, make us win. Be town's hero. Look at the way Sci flflops on me today, he is a better player than what he is pretending to be here. He said I was scum for lying about my scum read on you but he is well aware that bad gambits are almost always townies and that by doing what I have done I have put myself up for the lynch when I could have continued to tunnel you and been consistent with my stated reads and pushed the easier lynch. My play here is either abysmally stupid scum play or weird town gambit. Which is more likely? I am town, Sci is scum. @Stutters Prom has had this planned for a while now. He had pretty much all of D5 to think about it since we were No-Lynching. Prom tried to make himself look townie by accusing me before I could even process the Night Kill. He literally voted me about 2 minutes after the day post. As soon as bugs was shot, this day was always going to come down to me vs prom, because you obviously would not have shot bugs. So Prom saying that "he is making this a 50/50 lynch between me and Sci" by voting me is a misrepresentation. He made it a 50/50 lynch between me and him by shooting bugs. Then he just voted me first to try to look townier. He is also completely misrepresenting why I think he is scum. I think he is scum because you would not have shot bugs. You would have shot me if you were scum. The fact that he has also now lied several times today makes me feel even more sure. The fact that he lied about his read is indicative of scum, because it doesn't logically make sense as a townie gambit, but I would not think he is scum based off of that alone. Townies are prone to dumb gambits too. And as a matter of fact, the only gambit (lying about reads or lack thereof) that I experienced on TL was made by a scum right before LYLO exactly as Prom is doing here. It was Newbie Mini Mafia XVII. | ||
sciberbia
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On January 04 2013 16:30 Promethelax wrote: Man, Sci, this must be awkward for you trying to talk to stutters like you think I am scum when you know I am right. Can't you drop the act its only us old friends here now and we both know that you are the scum. I absolutely believe that as scum I would have won by killing you, I would have a drugged up bugs and the oft lucky stutters to contend with. I am a solid mid tier player and would have won that argument. Stutters calling bugs confirmed when he clearly wasn't is a scum tell, reveal of information blah blah blah. Stutters lynched and I win. Stutters look at what Sci is doing, he is finding little nit picky things in my posts which don't point to me being scum and calls me out on them hoping you aren't smart enough to figure it out. I was not lying that the best shot for me as scum was him and he knows it. I didn't ignore him and I'm happy to keep explaining my thought process to you. Sci is scum and he and I both know it. It's on your shoulders stutters, what can I do to help you make the right choice? Prom, stop talking to me. Until you admit you are scum or the game ends, I'm not interested in talking to you. I'm not getting into a stupid flame war. @Stutters I hope you agree that Prom's argument about him being a "solid mid tier player" who could have won by killing me is ludicrous. I'll just leave these quotes here (again): On January 02 2013 12:10 Stutters695 wrote: Well regarding the @ stuff it does look suspicious in this game since it happened to be on both scum but I have done the @ thing in past games when asking questions. I know not everyone reads the threads fully so they aren't left with an excuse if they ignore the questions that way. D1 especially since there is so much more going on. I'm not eager to rush to a decision because if we're wrong we lose. You'll notice I'm never particularly committal until I'm 100% sold on a scum. Just how I've always played. The thing about wanting him to make a case was because he said he was trying to survive as opposed to find the scum. I think the other questions I've asked speak for themselves on my current view. Its suspicious as fuck to me he avoided Yamato's case until Yamato died. He didn't strongly push for my lynch until Yamato (most vocal supporter of me) was dead. I need to go through his previous games and compare the meta but it feels less like he truly believes I'm scum and that lynching me is more opportunistic. Prom I'll ask you the same thing I asked Vivax when he claimed to have typed stuff then not posted. Why wouldn't you post it? If you believe I'm scum why wouldn't you post everything related to me that you find convincing? It's pretty obvious your case isn't airtight (I used the @ in one of the newbie minis I played, I think the first or second). On January 01 2013 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote: I think this proves you're the last scum. Any town in this situation wants to kill the last scum, because there's only one lynch left. The fact that your only concern is staying alive means you're scum. GG scum. I think it's pretty clear who was going to be lynched in a Stutters/Bugs/Prom LYLO. Bugs was most likely going to vote Prom and you, stutters, would most likely not have voted bugs. I'm going to sleep and then I'll make a post with a hopefully compact list of solid evidence as to why Prom is scum and not me (most of it surrounding these past several hours). I need to calm down first. I hardly ever get emotional when playing mafia, but Prom is actually starting to make me angry | ||
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I've compiled some evidence that I hope will help you make the right choice. Evidence that I am town I started the Wiggles wagon on D1 + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 05:51 sciberbia wrote: I'm suspicious of Mr. Wiggles In particular, this post strikes me as suspicious: + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 04:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Eywa, I like you style, screw the haters. One question though: You make this post: Saying that you'd like us to consider going for a no-lynch on Day 1 and just waiting for Day 2, so that we can possibly get a check in, or at the very least have something to talk about. Later, you come in with your analysis of Palmar, which is cool that you made it, but after re-reading, one thing that stuck out to me was that a majority of the posts and behaviour of Palmar that you draw on comes from before you made your no-lynch post. In-between your no-lynch post and your analysis, you were called out by a couple players for not commenting on the game (which I disagree with, but whatever). So, the analysis came after that. So, my question to you, is when did you become suspicious of Palmar? The timing of the post combined with the posts you draw from don't really fit when put into the context of your no-lynch post. You ask to no-lynch, then later you make a post saying Palmar is scum, which is fine, because you can change your mind, but your analysis is all based on stuff Palmar did before your no-lynch post, so if you found it to be so scummy, why didn't it strike you before? So, to me, it looks like you made your no-lynch post, got shut down, then went back and looked for someone to make a case on. What gives? Keep in mind that this was his first post in over 12 hours. I would expect a townie to have read the thread, made some reads, and then make a post about who he thought was scummy and why we should consider lynching them. On the contrary, his entire post is about one puzzling aspect of Eywa's play, and he doesn't show any interest at all in lynching Eywa. It just seems like such a relatively unimportant thing to make a post about when Wiggles hasn't even shared scumreads yet. It gives me the feeling that he just arbitrarily picked something to make a post about. Now, he is in the thread bantering with iamperfection and Vivax, but not pushing any reads. @Mr. Wiggles You've been talking about Eywa but you don't think he's scum. I want to know who you do think is scum and why. This post that I made was the first accusing Mr. Wiggles, and it drew Palmar's attention, eventually leading to the Wiggles lynch. And Wiggles was Godfather. Now would I have done this if I were scum? It's possible but I hope you'll agree that it is evidence in my favor. At the very least, I hope you'll agree that my D1 play was significantly more townie than zelblade's. I was also a forerunner of the debears case See these posts in which I push for a debears lynch: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 23:16 sciberbia wrote: debears The main thing I find suspicious about debears is that he twice seemed to be demanding explanation from other people, but then backed off rather easily when they failed to explain themselves. See spoiler for quotes + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 09:33 debears wrote: I've done the same thing before. Claiming VT serves no useful purpose for town early d1 On December 19 2012 09:50 debears wrote: I don't remember that at all actually. And mind explaining what pro-town purpose your claim has? On December 19 2012 09:51 Vivax wrote: Maybe later On December 19 2012 09:52 debears wrote: Fair enough Debears immediately voted Vivax and made a followup question. I found it odd that he backed off so easily. He recently unvoted Vivax as well. This suggests to me that he wanted to appear to be asking important questions, but didn't want to draw too much attention to himself. Next is his little back-and-forth with iamperfection: + Show Spoiler + On December 19 2012 09:38 debears wrote: Hey iamp. Quick question. I would like to hear how you don't remember mario mini http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440 You should check out the playerlist. You should recognize a certain someone on there On December 19 2012 09:41 debears wrote: Eh. True. I would just think that SnB screaming "Kenpachi rule!!!" would have come across your brain Similar thing here. In the 1st quote, debears seems to be implying that iamperfection is scummy for maliciously not remembering Mario Mini. But in the 2nd quote, he backs off when iamperfection gives an obvious answer. Why bother to ask the question at all if you're going to be satisfied with "I just don't remember"? On December 20 2012 18:00 sciberbia wrote: My lynch candidates, from most suspicious to least suspicious: 1) Mr. Wiggles 2) debears 3) zelblade Mr. Wiggles My earlier point about him coming back into the thread without any scumreads still stands. The 5-hour gap in his posts reinforces my suspicion that he was not scumhunting: 04:28 --- Wiggles makes post about Eywa that I found suspicious 04:54-5:37 --- Wiggles makes a series of relatively insignificant posts 05:51 --- I explain that I'm suspicious of Wiggles for not pushing scumreads 10:37 --- Wiggles responds with his scumreads I thought his points about Zelblade and Vivax were reasonable. However, I didn't like what he said about Palmer (or more precisely how he said it): + Show Spoiler + I'm not really liking Palmar's play either right now. I tend to agree with a decent amount of what Eywa said, and his recent posting isn't comforting. It seems mostly like he just wants WBG to take the lead. For example, instead of just voting for me, he asks WBG why we aren't lynching me, which I don't like. I'm not sure if I want to lynch him yet though, because I think Palmar's scum a lot of the time on Day 1, but I've found that if I give it an extra day or so, he's either able to show he's town, or you can just kill him because he's scum. That's held true in the past. Also, he must be Santa Claus. He lives in the North, and spends all his time making lists and checking off who's been naughty or nice. I think this is wishy-washy, non-committal, and fluffy. See the parts I bolded. Wiggles seems so unsure of what he thinks about Palmar that I don't see the town motivation for him posting anything about Palmar at all. debears I stated some slight suspicions of debears earlier, and he has since done nothing to make me think he is town. His response to my initial suspicions was that he had been setting a trap for scum. Perhaps I'm misreading or something, but I don't see the trap at all. Nobody was pursuing a case on the kenpachi rule. And even if they were, I don't see how that implicates them as scum. What I suspect happened is that debears realized that Palmar and I thought he was doing scummy things. So he essentially said, "I wasn't being scummy. I was purposely acting that way in order to lay a trap", which seems to be the go-to explanation for scummy/idiotic behavior nowadays, even though it makes no sense in this scenario. Since then, debears has been spending a great amount of time questioning Toad. I agree with yamato that debears is not really going anywhere with this. I think it is abundantly clear to everyone that Toad is lazy, but I don't think that is very good evidence that he is scum. In summary, I'm suspicious of debears because he - asked some questions and backed down rather easily - said he was laying a trap when I'm pretty sure that there was no trap - has been IMO unproductively tunneling Toad zelblade I don't have a lot to say on zelblade. He hasn't posted very much. I agree with the points bugs made. In particular, I find it suspicious how zelblade (talking about Eywa) went from "pretty suspicious" to "leaning scum slightly on him for now, will wait for his case on whoever" over the course of one post. I see upon refreshing that Wiggles has made a couple of posts that I have yet to analyze. I'll do it in the morning since I'm pretty tired right now and going to sleep. I request that everybody has a good look at these three candidates, and give an opinion on them if you haven't already. I feel like it's been a pretty good D1 and I'm optimistic about lynching scum tomorrow. Night. On December 22 2012 08:33 sciberbia wrote: I'm still thinking scum on debears and I think we should seriously consider lynching him tomorrow. I'm just going to summarise my points from yesterday: - He asked tough questions to Vivax and iamperfection but then he was satisfied by their non-answers - He told me that he was laying a trap but there was no trap - He tunneled Toad about something that IMO is clearly not much of a scumtell (Toad being lazy) Since then, I have grown even more suspicious of debears: Approach to the Wiggles lynch debears's approach to the Wiggles lynch seriously bothers me. He stated that he opposed the Wiggles lynch, but he did almost nothing to fight it. Not only does debears say he prefers other targets, but he states that he has a town-read on Wiggles. Now I am told that debears is a smart, good townie. If a good townie has a town-read on the person getting lynched, I expect them to: 1) defend their town-read 2) suggest an alternate candidate 3) argue why the alternate candidate is more likely scum Debears does none of these things. He does not defend Wiggles beyond that one line about Wiggles's "activity and fighting against sheeps". This suggests to me that he knew Wiggles would flip red, and didn't want to do too much defending because it would look bad. Secondly, debears does vote zelblade, but he doesn't really try to persuade anyone else to vote zelblade. I don't think he even said why he thinks zelblade is scum. Thirdly, he spent most of his time arguing that Toad and iamperfection are scum, even though neither of them was in contention for lynching yesterday. Not only was he not fighting the lynch, but he was spending his time writing a case on iamperfection that he did not even present until after the Wiggles flip. Overall, I find it hard to believe that a town debears would do so little to oppose a lynch that he supposedly thought was bad. Right now, debears is my top lynch candidate for tomorrow by a good margin. Of course, debears was Serial Killer and not scum, but I think this should show you that I was actively trying to hunt scum and not just bs'ing reads. Despite what Prom tries to say to the contrary, I've been hunting scum the whole game, and actually contributing to successful lynches. The majority of my posts have been moving town forwards If you look through my filter, you will see that most of my posts have been giving my personal reads and detailed explanations for my reads. My reads haven't always been right, but a lot of them have been, and I think my posting has generally been very beneficial to town. Hopefully, you can see more pieces of evidence in my filter that point towards me being town. I feel like these are the most tangible and substantial. Evidence that Prom is scum Honestly, Prom had me fooled until today. His overall effort and just sheer amount of posting and questioning impressed me. He fooled me the last time he was scum too (Newbie Mini XIX), so maybe I shouldn't be surprised. Anyway, here are some pieces of evidence that I guess I should have paid more attention to: zelblade played scummy D1 We talked about this quite a bit on D1. We pretty much universally agreed zelblade was scummy. He was actually my #3 lynch candidate at the time. For whatever reason, my D1 reads always seem to be best. Since zelblade's alignment is the same as Prom's, I think you can hold the scumminess of Zelblade's posts against Prom. attacked yamato for being dumb since his entrance to the thread I think yamato's case on Prom was actually pretty spot on. Now I feel guilty for not paying it more heed. Prom slung a bunch of mud at one of our most confirmed townies over the course of the game. This only helped the scum team. His posts seem to have done everything except actually push to lynch scum Prom, unlike myself, did not contribute to scum lynches. He has like 10 pages of filter, and how many scumreads does he actually push? As far as I can see, he pushed: Eywa (town) Stutters (town) Bugs (town) sorta pushed Palmar (town) And as bugs noted, he gave himself an out for pushing to lynch townies: On December 22 2012 14:47 Promethelax wrote: My own self evaluation would put me as a middle of the pack player whose strengths lay towards proving himself townie over finding scum. his whole "gambit" thing Even if Prom were town and I were scum, I don't see how this "gambit" of his accomplished anything. He could have stated a scumread on me and a townread on Stutters yesterday, and we'd be in the same position right now. So I do not see any good townie motivation for his "gambit". his reaction to the NK of bugs I will show you three reactions to the NK of bugs. Hopefully you can tell me which two look like town and which looks like scum. reaction 1:+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 11:27 Stutters695 wrote: Holy shit. Was not expecting this. I'm here but I've got a lot of reading to do to not fuck this up and cost the town the game. I'm not entirely understanding the pushing me thing Prom. What would your case have done if I was NKd? Would it have made a difference to your plan? What specifically would pushing pushing me do to out scib? Seems strange mentioning him specifically during the resolution period and not a scenario where what'd you do if scib got shot, I got shot, or what you think if you had gotten shot (other than that you think I was town suddenly). Unless I'm missing your logic it feels like you knew this scenario was coming and were trying to buddy up to me. reaction 2:+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 09:19 sciberbia wrote: What the fuck is going on? This was about the last thing I expected. Well if bugs was really town, then I guess now I have to figure out which of you two is the scum. wtf. Prom, if you're town, please explain why you've been lying about your read on Stutters for the past few days. reaction 3:+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 09:01 Promethelax wrote: ##vote: sciberbia Both yourself and I were confused and trying to make sense of what was going on, because we didn't see this coming. But Prom has probably been planning this for a couple days now, and just took it in stride. his lies today, the way he is pushing me, and just generally being a dick Maybe I'm biased because I already know he is scum, but the way he has been pushing me today feels just so scummy. He must have stated like 1000 times now that I am scum. He presented a bunch of WIFOM about the NK which did nothing to prove that I am scum and that he is not. He is not even trying to show why I am scum based on anything in my filter (because he can't). Instead he has just been calling me scum and trying to aggravate me. 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