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Mr. Cheesecake
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Hapahauli
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On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote: I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Also, you can generate discussion without looking bad. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:23 Hapahauli wrote: Making yourself look scummy to elicit a response is not good town play. Are you suggesting you've been posting with this hidden intention? Also, you can generate discussion without looking bad. Lol it's not a hidden intention. But apparently it's a side effect that was somehow generated one way or the other. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 12:06 ShiaoPi wrote: Well I am trying not to be lurky, but sometimes shit does come up, so I cannot gurantee being much more active than usually. @MrZentor: I agree on your point of just having general guidelines instead of a limit by which the vote must happen. While we should use the additional time we have, I don't like setting up something definite, it just gives scum an easier way to move in a set frame. On January 05 2013 14:07 ShiaoPi wrote: @Jay: I am doing a pressure vote on Rise since his last post seemed to me as if he would just be gone for a couple of hours before popping back into the thread, as he has not done so, I believe myself justified well enough, since I have questions for him that I want answered. I think you got ninja'ed by me during writing your post. I did give out a stancee on his posting. I also fail to see how I have tried to lie low in this game.... Your case seems really weak to me. /shrug On January 05 2013 14:28 ShiaoPi wrote: @Jay: I said that the exchange they had read kind of townish. But that I disliked DP's reluctance to vote. Xatalos is null just as easy as that. Read that post again please. I clearly said that DP is the weaker read of the two and that his behaviour does not add up. My thoughtprocess is right in that post. With all that is happening in thread right now I am tending towards lynching DP, but I would really hear more from Rise and yamato On January 06 2013 17:15 ShiaoPi wrote: Xatalos: I said earlier that Xatalos is a lynchbait. -snip- On January 06 2013 17:25 ShiaoPi wrote: I do scumhunt, just because I am not writing a case on anything that moves does not mean I am not doing it... Boson is pretty much town in my eyes, no reason to share his spreadsheet with his thoughts lined out with us if he were scum. Also he has directly started to scumhunt as soon as he replaced in, gets lots of towniepoints from me. CC is someone I don't want to lynch today, you may think him scummy for not making a shitton of cases but that is just a difference in playstyle imo. Looking through his filter he is actively trying to get more information out of people by asking questions promoting discussing. What I dislike is parking his vote on MrZ but that is nothing to be honest. On January 06 2013 19:11 ShiaoPi wrote: @yamato: While I like you doing more analysis, there is some stuff I do not agree with. Especially the first post you quoted with the guidelines on time. Hapa actually wanted a self-imposed deadline of 72h, which is something I did not agree to. So taking that quote from Zentor out of context makes it seem as it were all the time pushing for lynching somebody to end it the day. That is simply wrong. I can also sympathise with his sentiment that we really should start consolidating on someone by now. A much longer day 1 has negative effect on us imo. You are right when you say that his play is not necessarily pro-town by now. But I can understand where he comes from to a certain degree, which explains why I said earlier that I am torn on all my candidates for today's lynch. @Xatalos: Nice that you have popped in, but not only are you dead wrong on me but your case is crap. I expected more than cherrypicking my filter for bits you can build something on. I cannot even fathom how you critisize me for putting a vote on Rise as pressure when he had done jackshit at that moment. The next two quotes are an answer to a question I was asked to. I was asked who the other options of mine were, I responded. Don't even see what is wrong with them as if you have studied my filter it is pretty clear why I listed each of them. Now towards my stances being neutral and weak is stupid as shit. I posted my thoughts on the players I found suspicious at the moment and pressured them when they were around see the entire dialogue between me and yamato just above. As icing on the cake you take a game from almost half a year back (which was also one of my newbie games) as a "meta-argument". That is a nice example of false usage of meta-arguments. If you want to study my meta at least take the most recent game in which I was town (which is LVII if I recall correctly) and compare it to this game... This is just terribly bad and feels forced. ##vote: Xatalos On January 06 2013 21:27 ShiaoPi wrote: So I am back. Where did I say I was really pressuring Rise? I clearly said it was to get him to post, since I had questions for him, that I wanted to answer. It is blatantly clear in my filter. I was not "suddenly" okay with lynching DP, stop misrepresenting facts. Mr.CC asked me who my other possible candidates were. That was after the first episode of DP/Hapa-shitfest but before the entire wagon on him started. I was active during the increasing pressure on DP, being part of it myself, before I had to leave cause of RL matters. How is it opportunistic for me to be one of the persons being there while the pressure added up, when I really thought that he might be red?? The bandwagon started to crumble because DP was doing some really townish posts, thing is I was not in the thread at that time. As soon as I was back und caught up I removed DP from my hitlist as he was much more townie now. I did not want to bloat my post with the DP matter again, when it was not part of the trending discussion in the thread, but I did "say a word" about it.... I for sure care who gets lynched, seriously are you even reading this thread? I clearly stated which persons I want to lynch during varying times already. He seems pretty paranoid and feels the need to defend himself at every juncture. Frequently he references his past posts to justify his actions and explain them. Take a look at his vote for Xatalos, for example. He basically just calls him bad, defends himself hardcore, and then votes. The symptoms of a guilty conscience, perhaps? | ||
yamato77
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I voted after Zentor even though I have been suspicious of him because he wasn't the hammer vote like he said he would be. Everyone else seems to find him fitting his town meta so I thought he might actually have thought Xatalos was scum for the reasons I did. Apparently this as not the case because his reaction to the lynch was to downplay the fact that it was a mislynch. Obviously I was correct in my read of Zentor not caring about who he lynches. I thought that because he wasn't the hammer that it meant he actually had a scum read on him but apparently he just wanted to see a lynch happen. I'll be on for the next seven hours or so sporadically. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10817 Posts
On January 08 2013 01:55 Hapahauli wrote: @ DP Where were you most of yesterday? I understand you live on the other side of the world, but your contributions to the thread after I called you town have been really lacking. Before the CC case, you basically were seemingly helpless and calling a bunch of people null. Not only that, but you were absent right until the flip, at which point you start saying that Xatalos was "obv-town", yet did absolutely nothing to stop his lynch. As for your CC case, I'll make my final thoughts on players before the deadline tonight. I was asleep. I posted as soon as i woke up. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
You trusted MrZ because he didn't hammer vote... The fuck? @ DP How about the day before - you really haven't been all that active of late | ||
Z-BosoN
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yamato77
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Perhaps in hindsight it was an error in judgment . Given the content of his post I should have seen his true intentions instead of assuming he had the right ones just for agreeing with me. | ||
MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Xatalos was one of my top two scum read. | ||
Hapahauli
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On January 07 2013 08:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: Xatalos HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM | ||
MrZentor
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yamato77
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I do wish he'd bothered to take the time to explain his scum read but the fact of the matter is that I did. You guys know why I wanted Xatalos dead, it's in my filter. If your problem is with Zentor's vote, maybe you should look at Zentor and discern his intentions. | ||
DarthPunk
Australia10817 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:22 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato: You trusted MrZ because he didn't hammer vote... The fuck? @ DP How about the day before - you really haven't been all that active of late The day before I was defending myself against you. Yeah I haven't been as active as normal, but that is mainly because it is the middle of summer here and I have been going outside and doing other things aside from mafia. I don't think I have been useless, I had trouble getting a read earlier but now I have a pretty solid scum read on CC. I find it very interesting that he is just flat out refusing to comment on my case other than saying I am right and he is scummy. Perhaps that is because he knows I am correct. | ||
DarthPunk
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Just want to be sure, I have a post prepared. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:40 DarthPunk wrote: The day before I was defending myself against you. Yeah I haven't been as active as normal, but that is mainly because it is the middle of summer here and I have been going outside and doing other things aside from mafia. I don't think I have been useless, I had trouble getting a read earlier but now I have a pretty solid scum read on CC. I find it very interesting that he is just flat out refusing to comment on my case other than saying I am right and he is scummy. Perhaps that is because he knows I am correct. What makes this situation different from your town case on Xatalos? Didn't care about being scummy. = Town Didn't alter his play when it was obviously getting him into shit = Town Continued to pursue his reads with the whole thread calling him out for them = Town CC's play seems to fit the bolded pretty well. | ||
Hapahauli
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