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1) - Have a vote on someone and a reason why. If you sheep (sheep:// verb meaning to follow someone else's reasoning without contributing, not a spell of polymorph ) That was funnier than it should have been, although your night posts have been lacking. While his explanation of his vote switch was good it doesn't mean it isn't suspisious. | ||
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On January 15 2013 02:19 Spaghetticus wrote: (3) - OmniEulogy is confirmed town. He has changed his meta from scummy to actual pro-town. This is a read from a more complex dialogue outside of the game, but put simply: - he has played deliberately scummy in previous games in order to give himself room to work with when he actually rolls scum - I warned him that while I have been avoiding him in game I had decided to tunnel him as I could no longer take the bullshit, along as communicating several reasons for why a better player would play to the best of their ability every game - He improved his style when he did not need to. I was not in the game to tunnel him, and if he rolled scum he would have had three games worth of established scummy play to work with, all but guaranteeing him a scum victory if he rolled scum. If he rolled scum he would be under zero pressure to change his style and we would be looking at a clusterfuck of WIFOM and OMGUS instead of the rational play he is demonstrating. While this turned out to be true I think this might have been a scum slip, even with all the evidence town are normally far more careful with reads. For example with this evidence I would say most likely town and would think of the possibility of having improved his play to appear more town not remaining scummy to appear more town. (although I haven't seen him play before I don't think?) Also in general Spags meta is way off... he is the only other australian and while he has given reasons for being less active you would have thought he would have at least chimed it (it's almost 1pm Australian time) So in other words his meta is off, he isn't posting much (which is a separate issue from meta while being connected) and he isn't following though on his non LAL policy. A LAL policy is really easy for scum to talk about because it requires no evidence beside from lack of content. Also he posted this I want you there on day three because you are active, and if you are scum you will slip as a result. If you downgrade your activity I will shit on you for motivated lurking. It is clear that I want you to stop wasting time being a victim, and I am not the only person with these thoughts. You are not responsible for other people lurking, but you are responsible for hiding their posts with tirades of self-pitying crap. Is seems he has taken up the mantle of motivated lurking.... after being so bold and aggressive against them has he realised he can't keep up? FOS# Spaghetticus | ||
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Okay there have been some developments, seemingly a lot of them on me. I have limited time (two hours before I need to be at the bus-stop), so I'm going to quickly draw your attention to my position and the posts that support it. I will be gone for at least 9 hours, finishing just before midnight, meaning when I do get back my contribution will be limited due to sleep. Once I awaken, I'm hoping my mother has better internet than she used to as it was unstable last time I was there. I should definitely be back to posting full strength by the the last half of Day Two. I assume you mean day three Hmm, while possibly true this doesn't bode well. For starters you could be busy as scum or town and secondly it's mighty convenient. I did see your post justifying your vote but this still doesn't explain why the night was so quiet and with you being so inactive on day three I sense a problem. I really need a response on why you were so inactive during the night. But apparently I won't get this for another 9 hours... I'm still trying to comprehend your trotske case I might walk around a while and think about it. I see Jacob is setting up to bendwagon me. I'm going to bend wagon you all night long... | ||
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FoS on Spaghetticus I would like some other opinions on him, I feel that most of his posts so far have been only restating that he doesn't HAHA Oh man I missed that before.... But yeah I agree I have been walking around trying to figure out why his case on trotske works and the key point is it doesn't. Also like you pointed out It's based around confirming someone who is already highly likely town to be 100% town with one lynch. You have to provide evidence on why someone is scum not how useful the flip would be. Sometimes yes if two people equally scummy you have to take that into account but even with that unless Trotske is scum the flip is useless practically. While this can change if you respond amazingly or bring up a case that is better I will follow suit. ##VOTE Spaghetticus | ||
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so it would probably be 5-2 or 4-2-1 or 5-1-1 (if order of most likely) | ||
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On January 18 2013 23:09 zarepath wrote: He's going to eat to celebrate something that happened in mafia? I consider this another disproportionate response of a post. Just for the record I once attempted a backflip on a unicycle in celebration of something that happened in mafia. Although all your other points seem to make sense but this one. On January 18 2013 22:58 zarepath wrote: This post (mine, here) does not even attempt to go into Spag's endorsement of Mocsta's case on me, or his voting behavior, or lack of cases on who the other 2 scum are. (Really, if he were actually going after scum, he would ASSUME I were scum, because if he supposedly knows he's not scum, then he has to assume that I was backing Mocsta up by voting for Trotske. Where is Spag's case on me? Shouldn't I be the most obvious scum to him if he's NOT scum? NO, instead he has a convoluted case which main goal is to confirm someone town.) I post this now because I think people are overlooking the importance of analyzing his interactions with the one person we KNOW to have been scum. See if he isn't scum then yes you would be obvious but even if he is scum the fact he didn't make a case on you is still unusual. Because if he was scum he would still want a case on you as you are apparently an easy townie to make a case on. My theory would be that you were both scum and he was trying to not draw attention to you. | ||
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Just for the record I once attempted a backflip on a unicycle in celebration of something that happened in mafia. Although all your other points seem to make sense but this one. Fyi it didn't go well. Also it's nearing 1:30 am Australian time and Spag is nowhere to be seen. I can only assume he will "sleep until 12pm" again then go to the gym and try to make a last ditch case in attempt to confuse people. | ||
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On January 19 2013 07:18 zebezt wrote: Lol.. I almost miss Mocsta. It's kinda dead in here. Partly my own fault. Too damn busy. Been reading spag's filter. He doesnt say much useful stuff. He did encourage people to look into a case on Mocsta though. Slightly positive. On the whole he feels scummy to me though. For someone that said he was gonna contribute a lot, he hasn't really made that happen yet. Tomorrow i'll probably write an overview of my case against Jacob. Hey first things first is that tomorrow game time or tomorrow irl time. On January 19 2013 01:42 zarepath wrote: The point is that if I were Spag and I knew I weren't scum, I would be looking very closely at Zarepath because he is the only person who voted with Mocsta that I wouldn't have confirmed as town. I can understand why people are suspicious of me, because I voted with Mocsta. That on its own isn't enough reason for me to be scum, but I can totally understand why it would be worthy of looking through my filter and coming up with a case. I can ESPECIALLY understand why it would be worthy of doing if Spag were town -- he would think it very likely for me to be scum. However, he did NOT do that -- that draws attention to the idea that another scum must have voted with Mocsta, and he apparently isn't very confident that I am scum. Because I am town, I am highly suspicious of the other person to have voted with Mocsta, so I looked through his filter and his interactions with Mocsta, and it all builds together (along with his votes and his cases) to a strong case of Spag being scum. The point isn't that we're both scum -- it's that we're both very much worth looking into if you're LOOKING for scum. I submit that Spag is not looking for scum, and that, having now looked, I very much think him to be scum. This had me in circles for a little but to be honest this looks like you are trying to gain town cred for him not looking into you. If you were really that easy to do it wouldn't scum think oh hey this guy is easy to get a lynch on lets make a case on him. I am saying the fact he was convoluted indicates that he might be trying to protect a scum buddy and going for a harder to lynch person due to his buddy being easy to lynch. This is assuming he is scum. This is JSL's only post I could find that has any real input into who could be scum. I'm not sure if this makes him scummy or just a lazy town but I do find it odd that laguerta and JSL playing from the same role PM seem to be playing the same style. Tbh it's kinda how I play, I have been questioning people such as acid zar and zeb and trying to get information this way. The problem is it is very dead in here for the most part and I work best in active discussion. The fact I don't say someone is scum straight up doesn't mean I am not trying to work out who is scum. (you can refer to my previous games if you want) Zarepath - Hide Spoiler - Does this feel like a bus to anyone else? It seems like we are pretty set up on killing spag today so why not jump on the bus and try for the late game. Not sure if I mentioned it but yes I was getting the feeling it could be a bus. zebezt - Hide Spoiler - I really like how he made a case on mocsta pretty early, My only problem is he makes a case on jacob based on a case against lagurata who was practically trolling instead of voting for mocsta. I would really like some more input on him so I can see other points of views on him. To add to this not only is he making a case based on a troll (well not actually a troll as I pointed out probably an experiment) But he kinda went hard on the easy lynch. Town I imagine would be much more cautious, if you look at his early play style he seems timid and then suddenly he is like oh well lynch Lagurata game over gg. | ||
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On January 19 2013 16:34 zebezt wrote: My case on JacobStrangelove It seems a lot of people can't get with a case unless it's phrased as a long megapost with lots of quotes. POINT 1: THE LIE: Laguerta says he is not gonna "no lynch" vote but then ends up doing exactly that. People now make excuses for it saying it was just a troll. What do we know? It was a smurf. Wether it was a good or bad player is unknown. We do know there weren't many posts by Laguerta, the quality sucked and it was not funny. Would a troll play like this? If you made a smurf just for trolling wouldn't you actually want to troll? Instead of going out of your way to look suspicious and then get voted off day 1 (this almost happened). That seems to make no sense to me. Was Laguerta simply a bad townie and forgot what he said? If you say something because you actually belief it you arent gonna forget it, because you'll automatically do it right. I think the lie still stands as strong evidence Ok first off I already went over this. On January 17 2013 21:31 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hold up something I just realised. La de da (I refuse to learn his name) wasn’t a bad player. So he was actually a veteran, now why would a veteran play like this, the obvious first thought is to troll but he hardly did. Why bother signing up and joining a game to hardly troll and do nothing? Kush(the other smurf) on the other hand was a troll, his playstyle was completely designed around trolling. Something that is in a lot of newbie games is you run into too scummy to be scum people, they are sometimes bad town sometimes scum. I think he may have been a player who wanted to try out a too scummy to be scum play style. But couldn’t do it on his main account due to being instantly lynched. Now the thing is he would do this as scum or town no matter what role he got but at least that means his actions were completely contrived possibly lied directly and thus Null so to speak. The reason I think this is he has obviously played and would know that lying would get him into trouble. This would make all his actions Null, which is why I would like you to give me the chance to prove I am town without harkening back to his actions. As a recap your case on me with strong evidence is on someone who was most likely not trolling (as you pointed out not funny) But who I pointed out was likely trying a too scummy to be scum playstyle. This would make him try to be scummy as town or mafia. Point two. I already went over that I have seen this happen before, assuming he survived it would have given him town cred when I flipped green because why would mafia vote switch like that. It was praised as one of the greatest moves there was so why not try it? If it worked he would have been set up for the whole game. Point three Mocca was acting super weird. His whole freakout into victimization and stuff along with making a case on a "solid" town doesn't make much sense. By saying I am 100% scum he could have noticed that town wasn't completely on board he could have been trying to get another lynch going (that would have been harder to get late game) (troske/omni) thus lynching me day three because it was easy. This however ended up revealing him as scum. (Also at this point it was possible lagu was getting mod killed, maybe he realised this and wanted to lynch someone else?) I am not entirely sure. Point four. Ok so I vote no lynch. How is this scummy as scum I could do one of two things. I could bus Mocca and gain town cred. Or I could vote Trotske and save mocca. Now you say it wasn't needed but while watching lynch proceedings it was pretty obvious Shz was going to vote switch. For reference. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2013 08:52 shz wrote: @all: Did your opinions about Jacob change? Do you think he is worth keeping around for a while? I kinda feel that he at least contributed somewhat, though the surprise that the lynch deadline is so soon is a bit strange, it is posted with every votecount, and they were already a few of them before he started. On January 17 2013 08:58 shz wrote: What are you doing? How victimized can someone post. So if I was mafia (yeah I hate using these arguments but it works in reply) voting would give me the advantage both ways. And before in my initial post I said I thought the trotske case was well layed out. I could have voted for him no problems. Point five. Well this is subjective... like you said It seems a lot of people can't get with a case unless it's phrased as a long megapost with lots of quotes. I made a case on the person I think is most likely mafia and I am prodding the other two people I think are most likely mafia (you and Zara)The thing I don't get is you brought up several points I answered before. Did you even read my response? In the first point you still think lagu was a troll when I already mentioned that is a lot of work to not troll for. | ||
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On January 19 2013 07:18 zebezt wrote: Lol.. I almost miss Mocsta. It's kinda dead in here. Partly my own fault. Too damn busy. Been reading spag's filter. He doesnt say much useful stuff. He did encourage people to look into a case on Mocsta though. Slightly positive. On the whole he feels scummy to me though. For someone that said he was gonna contribute a lot, he hasn't really made that happen yet. Tomorrow i'll probably write an overview of my case against Jacob. On a side note he hasn't been in the thread for at least 24 hours? | ||
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On January 19 2013 18:07 zebezt wrote: You answered most of it before, but they were crappy answers. A too scummy to be scum playstyle. Really?? As town? This makes no sense. I'll comment on the rest later It. makes. sense. because. he. was. a. smurf. You still haven't read my post so of course my answers are "bad" Think of why a vet would make a smurf. To troll or try something out. If you are coming into a game to try something out it doesn't matter what role you get. He might have wanted to just survive as town because he was "too scummy to be scum". | ||
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On January 19 2013 21:40 zebezt wrote: The whole concept of too scummy to be scum makes no sense. Even if you don't get voted out immediately, you will eventually. Your point 3 defense is basically that you don't know. How is that a defense? Your point 4 defense was that it was clear shz was going to switch because of some comments he made. That's hardly a guarantee. Many people say accusing things about others, but these don't mean they will switch. Town should vote. You sound like you are very experienced. You should be able to read the cases and decide wether or not they should be good. Refusing to vote = scummy Eventually maybe, but if there are more scummy people on the table no. He is a smurf remember, he may have been playing a normal mafia this was a throw away game for him do you think for two seconds he cared about this game? How about because I'm not a freaking mind reader? I was implying wifom in more than many words. Refusing to vote does = scummy in normal situations. But going into a thread, discovering lynch is on one hour and not having the time to work out who is town or not isn't. You are twisting the situation, If I had voted troske you would have gone totally scum he walks into the thread and votes trotske. If I had Voted Mocca you could have screamed bus. On a side note it could take ages to though spags stuff.... Well I have gone though it but it will take a while to process. One major thing I am not buying though that you seemed to phase over is that you "confirmed shz town" then wanted a lynch troske to "confirm him town" This doesn't make sense at all. If there was someone who you weren't sure off at best you could have lynched someone "related to him" to maybe gain the most information possible but even then it would be a wifom move. You seemed to want to lynch for information not for actually lynching scum. | ||
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