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On February 21 2013 15:55 GreYMisT wrote: Oatsmaster and I decided to return the game to a more normal KP formula.I might use the previous one in a mini or something soon. Excellent! Let there be blood!!!! | ||
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Milkman do you want to mix it up with some chocolate or strawberry Nesquik?? | ||
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This is my JAM. | ||
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Long is the arm of the lawless! Soon the curtains shall be drawn and our masterpiece will carefully unfold! | ||
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Make your choice the obvious one! Vote ObviousOne! My platform is very simple: I'm the right guy -- that's why. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:05 Wade Fell wrote: 1) Lynching MilkSuckler. Fuck that guy. LOL | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: 1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome, You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:23 Wade Fell wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:22 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: How likely is it that we can make it happen that we can get our lynch candidate come in as second in the votes? We could get 2 flies with one stone that way. Thoughts? That's a good idea if we could make it happen, but unless the person we are set on lynching is town, I find that unlikely to occur. No harm in giving it a shot though. I don't like the idea of sending a bunch of votes the way of our top scumread and strongly oppose this idea. In the spirit of entertaining the thought, do you think it would be possible if there is one clear leading candidate? Such as someone ahead by more votes than the mafia team could possibly swing away to a secondary candidate? Or does the math not work in our favor for this? For example: 13 votes for Candidate A (intended mayor) 5 votes for Candidate B (intended lynch) At this point we could consolidate votes on Candidate A and then move several to B to ensure they are elected pardoner. This could take place after, say, 30-36 hours of the day is complete or something thereabouts. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:33 Promethelax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:28 ObviousOne wrote: On February 26 2013 09:23 Wade Fell wrote: On February 26 2013 09:22 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: How likely is it that we can make it happen that we can get our lynch candidate come in as second in the votes? We could get 2 flies with one stone that way. Thoughts? That's a good idea if we could make it happen, but unless the person we are set on lynching is town, I find that unlikely to occur. No harm in giving it a shot though. I don't like the idea of sending a bunch of votes the way of our top scumread and strongly oppose this idea. In the spirit of entertaining the thought, do you think it would be possible if there is one clear leading candidate? Such as someone ahead by more votes than the mafia team could possibly swing away to a secondary candidate? Or does the math not work in our favor for this? For example: 13 votes for Candidate A (intended mayor) 5 votes for Candidate B (intended lynch) At this point we could consolidate votes on Candidate A and then move several to B to ensure they are elected pardoner. This could take place after, say, 30-36 hours of the day is complete or something thereabouts. You are assuming that scum has zero thread influence, why? Math is hard. Are you sure you're not Kadaver? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote: Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:42 Restraining Order wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote: On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote: On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote: Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? If you say you have a read, you should have... an actual read. Talk to me about VE. What do you make of his quick in-and-out? I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax what do you want? You called me here, and then didn't react to my campaign. WHY HAST THOU SUMMONED ME?! Oh hey, there you are, who would you lynch based on everything up to this point? | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:18 Aquanim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:11 Promethelax wrote: On February 26 2013 10:03 Aquanim wrote: Since WoS has disappeared into the shadows I'll ask someone else. @Milksuckler, any posts that you think are particularly sketchy so far? How about you aqua. Do you have ay thoughts? All I've heard from you is blends questions to weak/new players. Not liking ObviousOne so far. Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote: Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. Terrible, terrible reasoning for this read. Show nested quote + I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? And he can't justify it at all. Show nested quote + I don't do reads on the fly. You want an actual read from me, you'll need more than 45 minutes of a handful of players talking. Who's to say any mafia are even participating yet? He gives a read and then says this? Garbage in, garbage out. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:10 The Macho Man wrote: wow the mayor will be a lucky person yeah a lucky person some where out there will be a lucky person winning a great power a lucky lucky lucky person. and that person should be me the macho man randy savage becasue comparatively speaking the rest of you people are nothing but garbage to the macho man. Off balance on balance it doesn't matter I'm simply better than you. You people are like pebbles of sand and I'm the entire desert. Don't bet against the macho man. don't bet against your life. ## Vote the Macho Man This is the first step to lynching scum because the macho man is simply the best. I'd kill this one if I had my way. | ||
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It was an interesting tactic to bring up, but it's also a good way for scum to get a weaker player into a position of power. And he can't justify it at all. There now you have some justification. He gives a read and then says this? Still stands. Also, let's kill Macho Man. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote: Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record. Care to share your first impression yet or are you not satisfied with the game state yet? | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:25 Aquanim wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote: Terrible, terrible reasoning for this read. It was an interesting tactic to bring up, but it's also a good way for scum to get a weaker player into a position of power. And he can't justify it at all. There now you have some justification. He gives a read and then says this? Still stands. Also, let's kill Macho Man. You still haven't given any reason why geript is scum, merely that if he is then this would be a viable tactic. Do you have any actual reason to think that he is scum? For lack of anything better at the time, no. Someone asked me a question that I felt like I could answer, so I did! Ha! | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:30 Wade Fell wrote: Milksuckler is Marvellosity Confirm / Deny time. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:32 VayeshMoru wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote: what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not? Vayesh remembers a time long past in records covered in layers of dust of a time of men in masks. The ones who spent time attempting to find out who was beneath the mask instead of the intentions of the wearer felt the hand of god and knives of malice. Tis a trait that leads men of order down the path of ruin. Sometimes the records of the past are the avenues of the future. We shall not forget history lest we are deigned to repeat it. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. | ||
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Who would you end with the fire of righteous vengeance if you won right now? | ||
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That is a fairly inaccurate representation of what I'm doing here. You could have tunneled on me just as easily if I said "fucked if I know who is scum" and the only pressure I'm feeling right now is coming from my bowels care of this afternoon's tacos. | ||
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On February 26 2013 12:29 randombum wrote: Well obviously lynching scum is good. But the idea is we can use it to gain a lot of information that simply elected a town mayor who is likely to die does not. Town mayor mislynches usually get drawn and quartered don't they? | ||
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On February 26 2013 13:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 13:19 randombum wrote: On February 26 2013 12:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 26 2013 12:35 randombum wrote: On February 26 2013 12:30 The Macho Man wrote: On February 26 2013 12:29 randombum wrote: Well obviously lynching scum is good. But the idea is we can use it to gain a lot of information that simply elected a town mayor who is likely to die does not. why are we trying to get information instead of lynching scum? Why are you treating gathering information and lynching scum as mutually exclusive. This plan involves lynching the scum target and putting another in the spotlight. I could get it if you said something like "this plan would never work because...." or something like that, but to simply dismiss it because gathering information is bad? no one cares about or likes your plan so tell us who we should lynch or who you think the mayor should be. if you want to have a scum mayor, that's essentially the same question right? Honestly, I'm not good enough to figure out mafia day one based purely off what people have posted. That's partly why I find a plan which is designed get as much information as possible so appealing. Electing someone mayor that you think is scum doesn't give you any information. Making that decision depends on the fact that you can figure out mafia on day one since you would need to do that anyway to elect a scum mayor. You're not making sense to me. And people thought my hypothetical scum-geript-mayor-gambit idea was ludicrous. A lynch for randombum is a vote from me. | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. How about some feedback on what I wrote. You agree or disagree. Do you think I am grasping at straws, or is the logic valid? Critique me and prove that your shadowing of VE paid off. Can I do it when I wake up or do I have to do it now? | ||
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FWIW I wasn't seriously asking for your permission. That shit was me asking me lol. | ||
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Anyway, I will engage in answering questions and giving my thoughts on the past 12 hours while doing my second read through which will begin when I get to a real computer. One thought I would like to share before I go get booted up is that VE would know my scum game the best considering he's the one who taught me it. If he honestly thinks I'm mafia I'm going to be, well, vexed if that doesn't change by the end of today. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883358 Regarding that post, most of it seems to be spot on from my perspective. You sort of belabor the shit out of the RNG points and spread them into other categories but think about how Zarepath acted D1 in the last newbie game he played with me (us? if you're mocsta) and you'll see that it's possible he was indeed going about trying to generate discussion. He might have even been successful if he was vigilant in driving the conversation or hinting as to the direction he wanted to go with it, but since none of that actually happened it's looking like a really bad point against him. As for considering WOS a candidate, after the smack talk prior to looking at his newbie game and evaluating WOS' re-entrance to the thread, I could see how his mindset (as either alignment) would allow him to 180. WHY he 180s is a question for him directly at that point in the conversation, though from my perspective I see an enthusiastic WOS looking to take some burden off the concerns of town at a point where we were only looking at ~2 real candidates. One thing to note about WOS re-entry is him mentioning Aquanim. What was his reason for that? | ||
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On February 26 2013 14:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Notice the connection between Prom's fixation on confirmed townies and the fact that mafia know for certain who the town are (assuming no third party shenanigans, theorizing about third party is really a waste of time until later when it matters for LYLO) btw This point actually really bolsters the feelings regarding Prom, I haven't checked if Prom responded to this but I know from the first read that he's AWOL right now... | ||
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On February 26 2013 15:08 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 14:43 Wade Fell wrote: Firstly, The only people in this thread making any sense are VE and DrH. Besides them and myself nobody should even be considered for the mayoral role. This vet circle jerking has to stop now Being a vet does not guarantee your logic is sound; or that your shit smells better than mine and others. Further it does not guarantee you are town. All members of this game have a responsibility to be transparent in play and present well-reasoned thoughts. Perhaps, players with lower experience would not make as capable a mayor as a vet; however: (1) This mayor role is nerfed without BG - so the outcome of vet/new is of less importance & (2) Less experience is not synonymous with being incapable of reasoned thought that is CORRECT. I don't have a problem with your prome case; I already commented on pretty much everything you wrote, a fair bit before you wrote it. But I guess it doesn't make sense, not coming from a confirmed vet. The quicker you get over your game of 'soggy biscuit'; the quicker we are going to get along. Show nested quote + This is a scum player grasping for someone to point the finger at, someone to blame. This falls perfectly in line with what DrH says here (link) when he quotes from Ver's guide. . Nice blatant buddying here. Im guessing you buy ya kneepads on bulk discount... (Milk vs. Prom) Here my first reaction is screaming in my head "IT'S A BUS IT'S A BUS" but my first reactions are typically wrong. Why insult the majority of the game? Where's the town mindset in that? Why not just say it nicely such as if you more experienced players would be so kind as to note when the lesser-experienced players say something useful and expand upon it that would be much appreciated instead of going on about knee-pads? Just having a WTF moment reading this. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 03:39 ObviousOne wrote: @Milk Suckler http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17883358 Regarding that post, most of it seems to be spot on from my perspective. You sort of belabor the shit out of the RNG points and spread them into other categories but think about how Zarepath acted D1 in the last newbie game he played with me (us? if you're mocsta) and you'll see that it's possible he was indeed going about trying to generate discussion. He might have even been successful if he was vigilant in driving the conversation or hinting as to the direction he wanted to go with it, but since none of that actually happened it's looking like a really bad point against him. As for considering WOS a candidate, after the smack talk prior to looking at his newbie game and evaluating WOS' re-entrance to the thread, I could see how his mindset (as either alignment) would allow him to 180. WHY he 180s is a question for him directly at that point in the conversation, though from my perspective I see an enthusiastic WOS looking to take some burden off the concerns of town at a point where we were only looking at ~2 real candidates. One thing to note about WOS re-entry is him mentioning Aquanim. What was his reason for that? Because Aquanim was the only one who actually acknowledged me; for the record I actually was feeling ignored but I had to go for a bit and wanted to see if anyone would react to me intentionally lurking. As for your talk of me 180ing...what? Not you 180'ing. That was about Prom | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: notice also the majority of viv's info dump is about null reads and town reads, very often mafia hide in the comfort of their information and although it is information it isn't really useful since the only possible useful thing that could happen is a scum being killed Vivax is the only one giving me a null/town read, too. I mean that's out there based on how I started the game, and I even think I mentioned I would be okay with voting someone who would lynch him. It's really... weird. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:13 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote: On February 26 2013 09:09 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: 1. Vote for me, vote for RNG. I have a 1 in five shot at lynching scum and it will be hilariously awesome, You gonna include yourself in that RNG dear If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Tell us more how you plan to transparently execute your randomly generated mislynch! | ||
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On February 26 2013 16:19 VisceraEyes wrote: You can't scrutinize what's not there Wave. *shrug* We let PRs deal with the trash and try and find scum in the posters that's all we can do man. I hope you're not talking about me here =[ | ||
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On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um...JJ, wtf? Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted? | ||
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On February 27 2013 04:08 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote: On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um...JJ, wtf? On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted? conspiracy theories are fuN! Let's make some more.... if you were in a story, what or who would you be? Farmhand Bob the Zealot. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:43 layabout wrote: I will give my thoughts on prom in a bit but right now i want aquanim as mayor/pardoner but if we are certain that the mayor will die then BH should go for it. + Show Spoiler + since he wants to and since i don't want to play with him I need this expanded on. I'm feeling a bit dense at this present moment. What is this all about, layabout? | ||
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On February 27 2013 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 04:42 ObviousOne wrote: Vayesh is right where Vayesh wants to be right now. He is, in fact, part of the Brotherhood. I'm starting to get real sick of the trolling. Open your mind to the possibility that Vayesh isn't trolling. Unless you're insinuating that I'm trolling and then perhaps you haven't been paying attention. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:39 The Macho Man wrote: i like vivax's post Why the quick turn on Vivax? You were just saying before: On February 26 2013 23:21 The Macho Man wrote: Vivax has actually done nothing this game and should die. If prom sticks around and contributes i say let him live vivax hasn't done anything. A vote for me is a vote to kill vivax the man who wants to appear active but in fact is doing nothing Vivax Macho madness is coming straight at you. Or do you just like his post? A post where you don't seem to be mentioned one way or another... Does this mean you feel Vivax is contributing properly now or do you still want to lynch him? + Show Spoiler [vivax post he liked] + On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: Early game has been known to me for being not much serious and not very posty by many players. This early game instead kickstarted. I think an effective way to find scum in these stages is to find people who are too serious in a trolly environment and trying to look like they're posting a lot there. Now there are voices that say that policy discussion favours mafia. Given the way people were still talking about the stupid mayor dozens of pages into the thread it also seems townies love to talk about policy just cause of the sheer amount of people talking about it. That will make it hard to identify mafia just based on policy talk alone. What is instead possible is to categorize people into multiple classes based on the tone of their posts and also about policy interest, although mafia probably won't be findable just cause of the latter while townies talk so much about that as well. Proceeding - chronological order: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Me: Jokey start. MilkSuckler: Trolly start, bait post. WaveOfShadow: Motivational early post, announces he'll lay back and watch. Layabout: Posts a creepy drawing, proposes the policy to lynch policy proposers. Toad: doesn't want to be mayor. VE: Announces candidacy, asks if he should run against MS. Aquanim: Serious question to MS if he wants to run despite no bodyguards. Restraining Order: Says MS didn't read, subtly criticizes pre-written post. Toad: Talks bad about MS cause of prewritten post. Turns it into a WF support into lynching MS right after. Then unvotes and uncovers the posts' origin. ObviousOne: Candidacy of jokey nature. JJ: Mayor irrelevant, vote for the guy lynching the right guy. BH: Semi-jokey candidacy, attacks JJ for previous statement. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Prom: Candidacy with serious sounding post. BH: Explains implications of mayoral candidacy. JJ: Expresses doubts about WF's activity. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ That is enough material to extrapolate useful information for a start. The line indicates more or less the moment shit gets serious and the joke phase is over. Pretty quickly that was. Boring serious people: WoS, Toad, VE, aquanim, restraining order, JJ, Prom. In between people: Layabout, BH Jokey: Me, Milksuckler, ObviousOne Talks about mayoral election: Toad, VE, aquanim, OO, JJ, BH Doesn't talk about it: restraining order, me Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it. My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that. "Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit. To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies. Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play. Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute. ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts. aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him. Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia. JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out. The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post. Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment. In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis. | ||
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On February 27 2013 05:49 layabout wrote: ObviuosOne it should be obvious that if i want aquanim to be mayor then i think he would be a good mayor for town to elect. I want wade/bh to die though, i don't care about his alignment. Yeah it was mostly that second bit regarding BH that I was looking for. Thanks for reply. What's with the anti-BH sentiment? He just too crazy / off the wall for you guys. Did he lynch you in a past life? I don't really want to see him in a position of power either given his character in this game. I'd like to see DocH mayor and VE pardoner. | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:23 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote: On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote: On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote: Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? Asking you now. Which part are you asking? About JJ and WF or my geript read? Knowing WF is BH going null still til I read him again. Geript looks like annoyed town. JJ I'll look at again when I'm not on mobile. Haven't re-read from before my last post last night. | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 06:57 VayeshMoru wrote: On February 27 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Vayesh will you support myself or Doc for mayor? Your Lord is phoning this cycle in and he's not getting elected. The choice will fall on the hands that direct the machines of righteous death. Who will fall, who will be spared. A vote is cast on an ocean of shared thought. You know, on the one hand I agree with Vivax; trying to decipher this shit is getting on my nerves. But on the other hand, it is kind of fun. I SHALL ALLOW IT. Hey OO, top lynch target? Apparently you see Vivax as town/null and Prom is an obvious case right now; I'm interested in who you see as a threat to town. Chezinu if he doesn't start to be forthcoming soon. He's been pretty much a non-entity so far. I don't like big question marks. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote: Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record. Sounds like these scum-reads could be useful right now. Total scum-reads given to this point: Zero. jcarlsoniv Has your read on VayeshMoru changed now that he has been posting more? I think VayeshMoru has been making quite a bit of sense and if the man behind the mask is who I think it is, we should definitely keep him around if he's town (which I'm leaning right now). On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. Chezinu You have anything to say today? Who are you voting? Who is your top scum-read? Would be nice to have something to go on from you other than your impressionist art video. HassyBaby Any scum reads outside of the current candidates? You're a pair of fresh eyes here coming in this late so I'm hoping you can spark some new line of conversation. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote: ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever? Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me. You know who is scum? Layabout is scum. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:03 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote: On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote: ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever? Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me. You know who is scum? Layabout is scum. Please respond to my post as if your not a child in a strop. Make me, scummy scum scum. If you're not red you're doing a terrific job pretending you are. Eat it. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:04 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote: On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote: ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever? Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me. You know who is scum? Layabout is scum. Whilst I appreciate the effort to contact lurkers. Lurkers gonna lurk.. and what happens if no reciprocation ==> Your post becomes meaningless. Can we please see some more efforts regarding the posts we DO have to work with. Can you give me your updated thoughts on Geript pl0x I'm giving them something to come back and respond to. | ||
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Prom - self explanatory, and why I'm voting VE or DocH for mayor layabout - instigating arguments instead of just ignoring the shit that apparently doesn't matter anyway Restraining Order - too restrained JungleJorge - crazy fucking plan to trap Prom Grush - Starsenses seems to be broken | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:18 Hassybaby wrote: OO, you're gonna have to narrow that down a bit bud, because from my first read through, pretty much everyone's been a target, as well as a few people not even in the game Lets have a chat about that though. Do you not think any of the current candidates are a strong read right now? Why not? Between Prom/Vivax or are you talking about any other candidates? | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:35 Wade Fell wrote: Everyone who's lurking should just not post/vote and get modkilled so we don't have to sort out who's who later +10 Obvious points to BH. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Obvious I'm surprised you gave up on Chezing it so easily. You seemed to have such enthusiasm about the notion...and I don't doubt Chez would have been flattered to see a newer player "walking the path of truth, slaying the beast, etc." It's hard to express rage poetically without droning on with more clutter than some of these cats can handle. I'm keeping it simple. I'll save it for a mini where I don't have to type as much. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote: lol obviousone, hahaha Anyways, I said I don't like milkman. Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too. Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too. However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know. I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses. Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:47 layabout wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote: On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote: lol obviousone, hahaha Anyways, I said I don't like milkman. Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too. Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too. However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know. I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses. Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT. Maybe i have different expectations for you and grush? also his post is better than yours since he doesn't pretend to be contributing and is likely right about scum hiding in the lurkers. Your post was just a pointless "look at me i am contributing" which is scummy. Well, that's just like, your opinion, man. | ||
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I'm contributing of my own volition, not because you're asking me to. I could lurk like fuck and skate by like the other cats who have decided to not play on D1 much or at all, but here I am bearing my thoughts and I am mostly getting shit on for it. | ||
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On February 28 2013 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Obvios pulling for Wade it seems. I wonder if any accompanying reasoning is incoming. Kings in castles are prone to danger. Let he with the appendage of flame take hold of the fortress and thus become an object of priority for the cult of the damned. Thus we may save the doctor-in-name and free the hands of the doctors in action. | ||
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Ink well has run dry, fill it with blood of the scribe. Aquanim believes that the Obvious One is a member of the cultist faction. His reasons are:
To these statements, I say that I am indeed guilty. Guilty. As. Charged. Let us now, however, turn the tables and see how well the Aquatic One follows his own advice. One case which he has been tunneling on for 48 hours: On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote: My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. When Aquanim is not busy telling everyone that I am definitely scum, he is asking questions. A great many questions. His case on me from two real days ago seems to be able to stand on its own legs despite the vast amount of further spam and pointless drivel I have provided and he has NOT sought to strengthen his case with the newest information up to this point? If he hasn't developed his case on me, where are the other scum reads he has promised? To this I say, we shan't let you get off on coasting with having a single solitary voluntary scum read outside of the two most promising lynch candidates of Day 1. You cannot, as I have done, sit back and simply ask questions and go along with the prevailing theories of town while keeping me as your scum read and not keeping up on developing your case. I'd believe you were town if you had been pushing your own read as evidence developed. You are no better than I. Or how about the fact that both of us ask lots of questions, though we may choose different people to ask? Observe both of our filters, and see how each of us has many many questions and very little opinion or analysis. Either Aquanim is playing the same relative level of town that I am or he knows I'm town and has used my early read as an opportunistic strike to put me on my back foot. Again, nothing he has said about me is wrong, but his filter is not too much different. I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good. The anvil cracks. The hammer relentlessly comes down. A new pariah is born. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:57 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good. I dont give a flying fuck about tomorrow being good. You raise the play this cycle... The whole "case" was a big wall of fluff... if you gotta problem with aqua.. put some fucking quotes that highlight how his questions go no where, and dont show a guy trying to figure things out. saying, for me to filter dive both of you is a big waste of time. This post is helpful feedback, thank you Mocsta. Good day, sir. I think I will ignore you since I don't want to have another shit-fest in the thread. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:17 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2013 12:03 ObviousOne wrote: On February 28 2013 11:57 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote: I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good. I dont give a flying fuck about tomorrow being good. You raise the play this cycle... The whole "case" was a big wall of fluff... if you gotta problem with aqua.. put some fucking quotes that highlight how his questions go no where, and dont show a guy trying to figure things out. saying, for me to filter dive both of you is a big waste of time. This post is helpful feedback, thank you Mocsta. Good day, sir. I think I will ignore you since I don't want to have another shit-fest in the thread. Ignoring me is guaranteed to make me shove a foot up your ass. And the comment was raised to you with the intent of constructive criticism. You don't have to actually read the filters to see what I was talking about. Just look at all the one-liners we both post with question marks at the end of the sentences instead of periods. Pretty simply request, I'm not sure why you got all hot and bothered by it, but I'm trying as hard as I can to not rise to the bait with the language you started that post with and you will earn no points with me by being using that tone. Telling me to step it up is like telling a man with no legs to run faster. I can't do it because it's not in the cards. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:23 iamperfection wrote: i agree with suckler that post by obvious one is completly useless and is overly defensive. reminds me of myself as scum in gsl 2 where i said basically said the same thing saying the only way to prove my towniness was by playing better. The only way you prove your town is by hunting scum and oo post does none of that and looks like a scum that is having a terrible time making case by trying to throw suspicion on aqua but not explaining why his actions are mafia motivated. Wrong account? | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 11:05 ObviousOne wrote: Take another look started where I began posting ~9 hours ago or whatever and tell me what issues you have with that outside of me asking people questions that I want answers to. If it's still "seeming interested" then yeah, maybe you're right. I'm actually pretty bored with D1 right now. I'm contributing of my own volition, not because you're asking me to. I could lurk like fuck and skate by like the other cats who have decided to not play on D1 much or at all, but here I am bearing my thoughts and I am mostly getting shit on for it. Yeah, that's about the end of it I guess. Vig ObviousScum. On February 16 2013 08:13 ObviousOne wrote: Show nested quote + On February 16 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote: On February 16 2013 08:10 HiroPro wrote: Someone should shoot obviousone tonight. It seems very strange that he screws around for most of the day and then comes back to vote super on nothing. I support this announcement This isn't a bad way to go out. I approve. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:43 The Macho Man wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2013 12:41 ObviousOne wrote: Wow. Yeah please shoot me I don't want to be around these two. Thanks Vig. yeah that real nice if your town your playing against your win cond. dont do that shit come on lets keep talking. If the Vig doesn't do the work I'll stick around til we win or I'm lynched, but if you're going to twist my words all day I really don't want to talk to either of you. | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:45 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On February 28 2013 12:41 ObviousOne wrote: Wow. Yeah please shoot me I don't want to be around these two. Thanks Vig. OO I really enjoyed reading your thoughts in the shadowing thread. I also enjoyed your drive when you were an outted SK in NMM37 and pushing town to scum hunt even though the cycle was dead. I know you are capable of determining this scum team. =============== Please contribute to town, and share with me your thoughts on Vivax. Okay, back in a bit with that. | ||
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On February 28 2013 13:02 JungleJorge wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 17:50 Aquanim wrote: On February 26 2013 17:38 MilkSuckler wrote: What about you aqua with mayor? Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO? Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated. Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions. Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress. While reading through prom's filter I noticed his interactions with aquanim looked pretty forced. I decided then to investigate further and came across this gem. Notice he wants to vote Wade Fell and DocH, both of which intend to lynch prom and that is the main driving force of their campaign as mayor. But look he hasn't even a formed opinion on prom still, and we get even a soft defense as a bonus! Look at the tone of this whole post and how noncommittal he is with everything he says regarding other players. Now why would a player who doesn't believe prom is scum would ever "vote for DocH if he wanted it"? The sheer inherent guilt from this post is sickening. I'm extremely confident this man is scum, even more so than TMM and RO. If we have any vigs take a shot at this man. I'm in the middle of working on a Vivax at the moment JJ, here, run with this and see if it leads you anywhere: On February 27 2013 18:39 Vivax wrote: What's your read of Prom aqua? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17892651 Just happened to be right on the page when I checked the thread and tabbed back, funny coincidence or divine providence? | ||
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Legend: [++ town vivax | == null tell to me | -- scum vivax ] Looking to the past to help understand the present, this is a game where Vivax was town and was lynched D2. I realize that looking at past games I have the benefit of knowing his alignment and the alignments of the people he is interacting with by virtue of being over. Also, we're only Approx 54 hours into the game give/take and his current tells are likely to become more evident as the game progresses. Newbie Mini XV hosted by Toad, so Toad may have some insight regarding Vivax based on that game where Vivax was town. Words that I would use to describe his town filter in NMMXV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298&user=171343 ++Diligent Quoting ++Aggressive start: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:48 Vivax wrote: Giovanni Falcone reporting in. Pro lynch, any information better than no information. Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods. Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 20:20 Vivax wrote: I'll answer to some of the accusations towards me here, also revealing more important information: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 11:47 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Cattivik Your posting reads so early, with not alot of actual content to date. Early days yet, though remember i'm watching you. Miltonkram what a great post before work. I agree with all points you've said and want anyone who want's to discuss policy to just read that post. I slightly agree with your position on sciberbia as he is promoting policy discussion about no-lynch, however i agree that mafia first post is improbable. My main suspicion lies with Cattivik, though once sciberbia posts some responses to your accusation i will consider a vote on him. ##FOS: Cattivik Miltonkram has finally understood the point sciberbia was trying to make, you also agree on my point about him most likely not being mafia due to first post. His post has generated most discussion so far. Probably more than by just voting for someone based on a gut feeling. From the start of the game the majority, including me, was for D1 lynching, making sciberbias post obsolete cause we won't be discussing policy anyway.It is clear that someone will hang at the end of the day. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote: Let's have a look at Cattivik. Show nested quote + Your reasoning makes sense, sciberbia, it also allows to choose a lynch with more information available, however returning less information in the beginning. I would still go for the lynch. At least to get rid of pesky lurkers and inactives, in case there's noone stinking of scum already. Look at this beginning statement. He agrees with Sciberbia's plan, but decides to support the complete opposite? CONTRADICTION. To me, this looks like he's going with the popular opinion (afraid to rock the boat) while simultaneously seeming to offer him support and defense. Either you agree or you don't. I never agreed to a plan: On May 31 2012 07:48 Cattivik wrote: Giovanni Falcone reporting in. Pro lynch, any information better than no information. Also, Sciberbia, the blue font is reserved for the mods. Let's see who's active, i also remember a guy announcing exams, anyone silent will hang from the towns' tree. On May 31 2012 07:58 Cattivik wrote: Sounds like he thought that a medic setup could save a townie from being lynched, but what for? As far as i know the alignment isn't revealed unless the target dies, in this case it won't. But I was able to understand his logic concerning the difference between D1L/NL once he explained it. Also, there is one more tell for him being actually town: It's unlikely that such a mistake would happen to three mafia at the same time, who without doubt know each others' posts before they are out. In fact, posting in blue font confirms him as townie. Aswell as the fact that it would require a pretty solid plan for mafia to start with the first post, I don't see anything unfolding here though Obviously I took him into defense cause I don't want the most active posters to die first cause they have the balls to expose their neck to easy triggers who do all the work for the mafia by doing so. First and foremost, the lurkers and cautious ones have to get votes, else they can just keep lurking. On May 31 2012 12:27 heist wrote: He seems to really trust Sciberbia based solely on his activity and the notion that "first post can't be mafia" (I mentioned this before). His further reasoning: "Sciberbia is not promoting a NL, he's questioning a day 1 lynch". No. Sciberbia is definitely promoting a NL. It's been obvious since his reasoning. He attempts to remove heat from Sciberbia, over promoting his townie-ness and attacking others who place suspicion on him. He tries to deflect all opposition from Sciberbia, which at this point, is frankly strange. (look at his analysis on Solstice and Miltonkram). He goes out of his way to defend him and his plan while being careful not stick his neck out by staying with the town majority. Based on the response to the previous quotes, I'm not just 'with' the majority, I've been part of it from the start of this game (for a D1 lynch before even knowing what sciberbias reasoning was). And it's in the best interest of the town to keep productive townies alive, sciberbia among them. I also don't like all this fingerpointing between active townies, if there are mafia still lurking, they can lean back. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:18 Eishi_Ki wrote: Sorry for delaying, I was washing the blood off me knife. Skinning a pig can be tiring work.... Anyway, so far what I've got is that Cattivik seems the most likely candidate for scum (overuses collectives such as 'us' and 'we') and doesn't provide any evidence for initially supporting Scib and then saying he wants to LD1 anyway. However, I'm also cautious of Milton. Sciberbia seems like the obvious guy who is going against the grain here and I feel that was jumped on at the first available opportunity. Promoting Townies to be active for more information helps everyone, not just the Townies but his post was tendered towards the Townies which I feel may be a guise. Needz moar infos You confused something, first I said i want to LD1, then i defended sciberbia. I've never even considered a NL in this game, but I don't claim that it doesn't make sense in any situation. In summary, the controversy about the policy talk seems to be dead to me. There is gonna be a D1 lynch. This is also a tl;dr version of the post for people who trust me anyway. Here, my updated statements regarding some of the players posting so far: Heist: I'll wait to see how he reacts to his arguments' dismissal now that sciberbia should be a confirmed townie. If I was scum, I'd know about his status and wouldn't have taken him into defense against a majority. However, given that i suspect others more for their passivity, I dont think that Heist is scum. Ange777: Stop lurking. I'll vote for you. Superouman: Stop making fun of a tragedy and sleeping all day, but more especially, stop lurking. I'll vote for you too when the time is ripe. Eishi_Ki: Pretty poor arguments to accuse me, but blends in well with the opinions of the former posts.You also say you have a reason to keep lurking. A win/win situation for mafia. You also suspect those who are most active here. Then there's this: Show nested quote + On May 31 2012 14:04 Eishi_Ki wrote: Yeah just a note on my activity times, I live in Korea so 7am KST actually 7am (whodathunk) and I gotta work, so activity time before the deadline will be minimal I'm afraid (or maybe it's a good thing, hmm) Dude, what. How is it a good thing? You are basically saying that you won't contribute much to the scumhunt while the scumjuice flows out of your every pore. I don't even want to go on with other players cause I think you should start telling us more about your thought processes: ##VOTE :Eishi_Ki ++Exceptionally verbose ++Anti-lurker rage ++Suicidal: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2012 05:52 Vivax wrote: I am confident that town will win anyway even if you lynch the wrong one. Once that's done, I hope that you focus on the real scum, I don't feel the points I made in my defense are weak, but it's easy to think a player is guilty when most of the information posted is about him, and day 2 has been mostly about me. You're doing the error of 'lynching the most controversial or outspoken player'. But feel free to make it, since Shiao and heist will have a lot of trouble nevertheless, cause I will flip town and their cases are extremely one-sided (towards me). Just mind that they have another kill at their disposal, I would opt for sciberbia if I were mafia right now. Was a fun first game, guys. But I need to work on my strat. ##Unvote heist ##Vote Vivax A previous scum game - Yet Another Normal Mini Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388487&user=171343¤tpage=All --ROLECLAIMS VT --Digs deep into two targets simultaneously (WBG, stutters) --Night Action speculation --Then CONDEMNS it: + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 01:31 Vivax wrote: I don't like that you're speculating about the NK, and you'll need something more than that vote to nail debears. It's not uncommon for townies to have their vote on the wrong place, I'm rather worried about those having their vote suddenly on the right place for no strong reason, like Morbidius. --NEARLY CLAIMS SCUM: + Show Spoiler + On December 24 2012 01:01 Vivax wrote: Answer me why they wouldn't shoot yamato first. Since his uncontested miller claim he's the only one we can be 100 % sure of being townie. Maybe that's just my way of thinking from a scum perspective, but I would have chosen him over Toad, of whom you know something from meta and I don't. As for the other scum, it depends on how debears flips. Morbidius claimed cop in a casual way at an unscummy timing, so I'm believing it, that leads my earlier reads to shit. I'll have to reassess some reads, I'll judge WBG after the flip, Eywa is being lurky and roleplayed along with Wiggles, and I can't get a townread out of Prom yet, stutters is stutters, I've given up on pushing him, he's kinda in the grush category, such people are a vigis job. I can't imagine Palmar being scum at this point, same goes for sciberbia since his last collection of reads and his contribution to the Wiggles lynch. Iamp has been checked and the godfather is down, yamato is miller. Overall, I have a good feeling about this game, given that the godfather has been nailed D1 and we have so many blues. --Some hostility, allegedly bleeding over from another game. + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2012 06:29 Vivax wrote: And sorry for the language I've been playing too much in Hero Mini Mafia lately. Take out the retarded. Current game These are words I would use to describe Vivax filter this game: --Lots of one-liners ++Gratuitious quoting ++Self-deprecating: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote: On February 26 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote: Geript, what makes you unlikely for NK if you fulfil A + B properly? lol Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. Dude you're a newbie, no one is going to elect you. It's the sad truth and it also applies to me. Look how Toad speaks of my post like of a "nobody's" post. The Toad King of McDonald's Krautburgers only sees us as shit Any candidates you like so far besides yourself? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:35 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote: what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not? What does everyone think about NachoMan picking me out of everyone else doing the same? Let's see, Toad made a guess, Wade is making guesses, Vivax made guesses. Who might be easier to lynch? Oh it's Vivax, everybody loves lynching Vivax. ++One long list post of some of his reads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17886642 ++Intense interest in smurfs (can be translated to lurker rage) --Quoting starts to fall behind at some points ==Transition to analysis of the moment Question occurs to me looking at Vivax filter: Vivax, what makes you think I am town? Things I found in his filter regarding me from this game: ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts. Related to his town read on me: On February 27 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: It's obvious milkman is yamato. Actually not sure if I want to lynch him. His head over heels blind frothing aggressiveness would mean he's likely town. But his points are so stupid and his behaviour so anti-town that I really feel like. On February 27 2013 02:37 Vivax wrote: Glurio, I think you're mistaking scumminess for uselessness when it comes to Oo. Scum would either lurk or appear tryhard, not appear useless. Regarding the Prom Flip: + Show Spoiler + Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. On February 27 2013 00:34 Vivax wrote: The important question is: We don't vote the lynch targets today, we vote the mayor, and to me it looks like there's lack of selection. VE looks dead set on me and Prom. Dunno about Prom, but I'm not voting for someone lynching me. If you vote for me, I'll lynch JJ or aqua. If anyone wants my vote, tell me who you would lynch and I will tell you if you have my support. On February 27 2013 03:08 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 02:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On February 27 2013 02:45 Vivax wrote: I'll fuck off anyway, I'm sure your vet circle will solve this game all by itself. Don't even know why I'm still posting, everything gets ignored when it's not to call me scum. There you go, martyr yourself and get angry as soon as anyone disagrees with you. You want to say I'm not scumhunting? I've nailed scumteams in my sleep, honey. After reading post after post of weak accusations, questions that lead to no pressure and some sort of weird confidence that seems to be centered around your awesome post that I just ripped apart, I'm still looking for the pro-town attitude and I can't find it. After wading through a mire of fluff and inconsequential half-confident reads I found that you seem to think JJ is scum. Curious that your enormous post seems to be more concerned with providing a lot of null/town reads on other players, derailing the bandwagon and NOT with putting any pressure on JJ. If you're town and JJ is indeed your scumread, your mission is to ensure he is lynched today. But instead your mission seems to be to get really butthurt that I called you out on a bad post and try to make sure everyone second guesses themselves about Prom. Explain to me why that isn't scummy. You want to tell me that you're not scummy and just really bad instead? Okay, now don't expect anyone to listen to you for the rest of the game if you're giving up on yourself that quickly. Any vet circle that exists is your mind is a figment of your imagination. Wanna talk about scumhunting still? Go through my filter and tell me I've done anything but put the heat on Prom, demanding he respond, pressuring other people to vote with me. All the time I haven't spent trying to lynch scum has been trying to cut the bullshit out of the town discussion and you're next on the list. You seem to be pretty good at ignoring scumhunting to try to make yourself look good, so try it now and convince me you're town. There is no derailing the bandwagon, you genius. There is a mayoral election, and there are candidates. If I wanted to derail the bandwagon I'd be pushing for other candidates and not making clear what my stance on other players is. Maybe Prom is scum, maybe he isn't. In that case you want to know what I think of him in advance, and there you have it, deliberately. Now go even complaining about it that I shared my opinion about him, cause for all I cared I could also have stayed silent. The vet circle isn't an imagination, there's you ignoring my questions and not commenting on the things I wrote in my posts, calling the work of more than 2 hours meaningless while a single praise from VE to me is reason enough to get you down from your massive false-ego throne and bark at him. If Greymist didn't tell us to play nice I'd be cursing at you in 3 different languages for your terrible, bossy anti-town play. You didn't do nearly as much as VE in getting information out of Prome, yet try to pump yourself full of credit for something of which we don't even know the outcome of. There's you calling me scum scum for deliberately giving my analysis and reads on other players in such a huge game while there's probably scum among the lurkers laughing their asses off at your bad play, cause you prefer to shit at people for big, transparent posts than people not posting anything at all. According to Vivax Prom should have been all up in his business from the start given their history if Prom was scum. Because Prom didn't go that route, Vivax was in doubt. I don't see a reason for scum Vivax to need to proffer this explanation. Given he has been on the defensive I can see how he might take heat for not immediately going after Prom but it was very apparent with Prom's goodbye post that we weren't going to see him again with the general sentiment of the thread leaning scum on Prom and multiple candidates running for mayor who stated they would lynch him. His behavior has me mostly leaning town right this moment. | ||
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On February 28 2013 14:53 Aquanim wrote: Heyoo I'm back. So, these cases. OO's case Show nested quote + On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote: Ink well has run dry, fill it with blood of the scribe. Aquanim believes that the Obvious One is a member of the cultist faction. His reasons are:
To these statements, I say that I am indeed guilty. Guilty. As. Charged. These aren't the reasons I said you were scum. I said you were scum for
So you've twisted what I said a little here. Show nested quote + Let us now, however, turn the tables and see how well the Aquatic One follows his own advice. One case which he has been tunneling on for 48 hours: On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote: My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. When Aquanim is not busy telling everyone that I am definitely scum, he is asking questions. A great many questions. His case on me from two real days ago seems to be able to stand on its own legs despite the vast amount of further spam and pointless drivel I have provided and he has NOT sought to strengthen his case with the newest information up to this point? If he hasn't developed his case on me, where are the other scum reads he has promised? To this I say, we shan't let you get off on coasting with having a single solitary voluntary scum read outside of the two most promising lynch candidates of Day 1. You cannot, as I have done, sit back and simply ask questions and go along with the prevailing theories of town while keeping me as your scum read and not keeping up on developing your case. I'd believe you were town if you had been pushing your own read as evidence developed. You are no better than I. The case will indeed be developed further with my thoughts on your more recent play. Stay tuned. Show nested quote + Or how about the fact that both of us ask lots of questions, though we may choose different people to ask? Observe both of our filters, and see how each of us has many many questions and very little opinion or analysis. Either Aquanim is playing the same relative level of town that I am or he knows I'm town and has used my early read as an opportunistic strike to put me on my back foot. Again, nothing he has said about me is wrong, but his filter is not too much different. I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good. The anvil cracks. The hammer relentlessly comes down. A new pariah is born. Well this is a straight-up OMGUS. Pretty much everything in this case is complaining about my case on you (and perhaps how it applies to me as well). I didn't really see the point in posting serious cases after about midway through D1. I much prefer to pressure someone when I can actually threaten them with a lynch, and the Prom lynch was pretty much cemented. My play was focusing on dissecting cases made by other people (geript and Vivax in particular iirc) and thinking about whether they were sincere. JJ's case Show nested quote + On February 28 2013 13:02 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 17:50 Aquanim wrote: On February 26 2013 17:38 MilkSuckler wrote: What about you aqua with mayor? Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO? Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated. Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions. Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress. While reading through prom's filter I noticed his interactions with aquanim looked pretty forced. I decided then to investigate further and came across this gem. Notice he wants to vote Wade Fell and DocH, both of which intend to lynch prom and that is the main driving force of their campaign as mayor. But look he hasn't even a formed opinion on prom still, and we get even a soft defense as a bonus! Look at the tone of this whole post and how noncommittal he is with everything he says regarding other players. Now why would a player who doesn't believe prom is scum would ever "vote for DocH if he wanted it"? The sheer inherent guilt from this post is sickening. I'm extremely confident this man is scum, even more so than TMM and RO. If we have any vigs take a shot at this man. I was happy with a vote for WF or DocH because I thought DocH was town and after talking to him about the Prom case I was very sure WF was town (see: mayoral vote). My priority for mayor was voting for a strong player whom I had a town read on. If I had convinced myself that Prom was town, I'd have tried to convince them of it rather than switching to someone else. Not having a firm opinion on Prom isn't inconsistent with wanting WF or DocH as mayor. Also, I don't see how this is a defence of Prom. I said "I don't know whether this case is good". At that point I didn't. Saying that the case was "mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions" wasn't a statement that the case was bad, merely that without a better understanding of Prom's meta (and thus his trends as town or scum) I couldn't reach a firm conclusion. For the record I never did end up looking at Prom's meta - his failure to try to make anything happen with his RNG gambit was in fact a "specifically scummy action" and was the point that convinced me. I'm one of the easiest possible opportunities in the game outside of Prom to categorize as scum. There's already a call for a vig hit on me so you can hold off on making it tonight and I won't hold it against you. Maybe do some other analysis until then. | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:18 Aquanim wrote: tl;dr - baiting scum to attack you (in a way which will expose them as scum) by making an easily attackable post is a conceivable town tactic. This is an amazing tactic, I wish I had done it. waitaminute... | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Frankly the fact that he put so much effort into looking into Vivax for you rather than giving Vivax a once over and getting immediately on looking for scum on his terms speaks volumes in my opinion. I burned almost two hours on that, it's break time. I have two names in mind I'll look at when I return, but it's not going to be as comprehensive since, well, I'm probably dead tonight anyway and 4 hours for two cases doesn't jive for me when I could just sleep. | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Nonono you're misunderstanding me. THE EFFORT speaks volumes not the action. He put ALL THAT EFFORT into reading Vivax' filter and pouring over meta and whatever the fuck...for a townread...for you. It looks scummy to me. Why not spend that "2 hours" on putting together a case against someone? He's under heavy attack, he needs to find scum. One of the major points against him is that he's had like no scum reads. I looked at Obvious' post because it was new and commented on it. There's a vast difference. Well, why not make some effort to read someone at all, meta included, to get a better read on them, especially someone as volatile as Vivax who seems to have a history of violence with various people on the forums here? I didn't really see what some of you guys saw about him D1 that made him super scummy so it seemed like a reasonable request to get a better read not only for myself but to potentially clear up some misunderstandings about his play if it was within my power. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure I'm right but I'm confident enough in my preliminary read to not see him as a threat at this point. | ||
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On February 28 2013 17:21 randombum wrote: I'm with aqua on this one suckler. The heat you are giving him is easily explained by he figured out the inconsistency in prom's play after his original soft-defense. Yeah I am not so sure about shooting Aqua for not knowing Prom was going to introduce RNG discussion and then botch up the execution. Policy talk happens as a means to generate some discussion so it started as a way to start earning town cred as discussed. The execution failed in how Prom responded and perhaps also how long he held to his notion that he somehow knew better than everyone else how that conversation should go. He answered my question about it rather flippantly as well, which was kind of annoying. He didn't work to convince. He simply seemed to convey that knew it was a good play when it certainly doesn't fly here. Unless the timeline of actions is different in reality from what I remember, (posting on mobile) I am not entirely on board with this idea. | ||
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On February 28 2013 16:53 ObviousOne wrote: Well, why not make some effort to read someone at all, meta included, to get a better read on them, especially someone as volatile as Vivax who seems to have a history of violence with various people on the forums here? I didn't really see what some of you guys saw about him D1 that made him super scummy so it seemed like a reasonable request to get a better read not only for myself but to potentially clear up some misunderstandings about his play if it was within my power. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure I'm right but I'm confident enough in my preliminary read to not see him as a threat at this point. You have a scum read on Vivax, counter-case, please, VE. | ||
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March 01 2013 05:53 GMT
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Grush is standing out to me right now, his vote states he's voting for Toad but I don't see any reasons at all. The only thing coming to mind about Toad is remembering that someone said that Toad and VE were probably on opposite teams but it doesn't appear to have been Grush saying that either. So far he just seems to be echoing sentiments of the thread without his own take spelled out for us to read. And what DocH just said about him stalling discussion is even more disconcerting... Something about Layabout has been bothering me but I haven't been able to put my finger on it. Looked at his filter and his last post here seems to be something of a nugget: On March 01 2013 10:24 layabout wrote: Aqua since the main point of your case is that hassy tried to be pardoner what do you think of the fact that he ran for a similar role in Holy Roman mafia on a similar basis won it and didn't use it? Despite that being a theme/ troll game it doesn't change that he has done the exact thing that you are calling him scum for as town. I think we should lynch macho today or failing that chez since I trust BC on this. night. Layabout wants to sheep the dead guy. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that BC is a great player but we can't operate on sheeping a dead guy who can't develop or change his reads, so I'm just wondering if he wants to develop the case on BC's behalf. | ||
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March 01 2013 05:57 GMT
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On March 01 2013 14:56 TestSubject893 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 14:46 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 01 2013 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't think a newbie scum would make that post. He would just have made his post on OO if it was indeed real, I'm sure it would be worked on and approved in the scum qt. WIFOM but that's my 2 cents. Its a waste of read regardless.. why even say you think Aqua/OO is scum.. if your not going to produce a single iota of evidence or reason. Its like he felt obliged to post, because he said he woudl share some thoughts. That is exactly what I felt. Apparently this was the wrong choice and I'll make note of that for the future. Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 14:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On March 01 2013 14:44 TestSubject893 wrote: On March 01 2013 14:41 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 01 2013 14:34 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, so I rewrote this post like 5 times and changed my mind back and forth, and at the end of it all I ended up not coming up with as great of thoughts as I had originally thought I had when it was all coming togther. I'll start with the basics I suppose. I agree with DrH on Toad. He's the top of the list for me. From there I feel like one of either Aqua or OO is scum. I was gonna write up some reasons on why its OO, but when I was doing that I kind of talked myself into thinking that its Aqua. After that grush is looking suspicious to me, but he's in that category of players where everyone talks about their crazy meta and how it needs to be taken into account and I'm not currently taking it into account, so take that for what its worth. The bulk of my thoughts were gonna be about how when I read Chez asking the questions about the 3rd parties and claiming he didn't know how to add, I thought for sure he was a 3rd party just putting on a show. Because immediately after that WF jumped on him as scum I thought that he has the same read as me and was mafia trying to get the 3rd party lynched. This all still added up even after Chez shot if he is town because mafia wouldn't know for sure he wasn't 3rd party in the time in between. When I was writing it all up I changed my mind on it. WF just isn't scummy looking enough to me outside of that, so I ended up scrapping it. It is something that really jumped out at me though, so if WF becomes the center of attention later, its something we could relook at. ... What are you trying to achieve with this.. you know, someone (I think it was aqua) called you scum. posts like that, are starting to make me think he was right is there proper analysis in this.. or even a conclusion? Waste of a read, as far as I am concerned.. (perhaps Im just pissed at waiting almost 2 hrs for this day vig claim) I promised to post some thoughts and this is the explanation of why I'm not doing that. Its not helpful, I agree. Well, tell us your thoughts on Aqua. What exactly about OO made you think he wasn't scum? You need to show your work. I was mostly focusing on this post by OO and the response from Aqua. I was thinking that OO is never really saying anything of relevance, but Aqua says this and it really strikes me as scummy: Show nested quote + I didn't really see the point in posting serious cases after about midway through D1. I much prefer to pressure someone when I can actually threaten them with a lynch, and the Prom lynch was pretty much cemented. My play was focusing on dissecting cases made by other people (geript and Vivax in particular iirc) and thinking about whether they were sincere. He thinks that posting cases is bad, but is relying on others posting cases. On top of all of that I had this weird interation with OO last game that I'm trying to keep from biasing me this game, but sometimes I think I'm overcompensating and its causing me to be really indecisive about the whole thing. This post feels not productive either. Hopefully it answers your questions, but please ask away if you have more. My win-con in that game was to kill everybody and I was happy to oblige. | ||
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March 01 2013 06:06 GMT
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March 01 2013 09:06 GMT
#2540
+ Show Spoiler [major references to hassybaby] + Milksuckler openly encouraging a Vig shot for inactivity and running for pardoner: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17902607 The Macho Man for Hassy's disinterest in town/game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17903248 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17908194 Aquanim regarding Hassy's intent to become pardoner: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907070 Vivax claiming attempt to shoot Hassy (this one is curious because how can you say "I believe" you wither did or did not shoot at Hassy....): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907129 Roleblock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907541 Implying Milkman is scum with Hassy vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907319 vivax unvote, switch to milkman: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907440 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907541 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907642 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17908119 Layabout describing Hassy having taken hold of Pardoner in another game (looks like a soft defense): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17907769 DocH greenlighting a shot on Hassy or Chez: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17908224 Regarding my notes (links) Confirms that Hassy's definitely in the back of people's mind. I see that since then, we have moved targets from Hassy to Chez, Milkman (who has since been confirmed town, was a candidate for Vivax) and Toad (DocH after a thorough re-read). I noted the extra stuff from Vivax in his switch to Milkman since it was a bigger deal knowing that Vivax was looking at Milkman who is since confirmed town. First post from his switch to Milkman looks kind of like a day-late OMGUS, for what that is worth. An interesting post before the chaos Then I discovered this little gem, not sure how to best utilize it but here you go: On March 01 2013 11:30 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 11:24 Vivax wrote: Mocsta what's making you so sure that milkman is town? You're shrugging off whatever points I brought against him with little reasoning, and he was dead set on making my claim look bad. I also don't see whatever fallacy you just mentioned about me. My points against him are clear, although I left a few out:
Just wanted to say, I liked the way you presented ya thoughts with this post.. was clear to read (I would prefer if you kept producing content that way) Look, you're right, I am just saying he is town.. Let me read his filter and confirm where I stand with milkman.. THEN I will comment to whether I agree with your case or not. We never got those reasons why MilkSuckler thought Milkman was town. I would have liked to have seen that (unless I'm somehow wrong and the Chez shot banter just obfuscated it on my brief pass through the thread looking for it) pre-flip. So what does this flip say more about? Vivax had a scum read on him, MilkSuckler had a town feeling on him. MS was right but... we never found out why. I'm trying to sort this out in writing and nothing is making too much sense to me at this moment. Vivax seems to have a decent case but it's partially based on incomplete information and partially intuition on his part. MS could have easily found reasons Milkman was town as scum, and might have even been more careful to answer the question I would wager. My conclusions: 1) Vivax had a pretty interesting case that just didn't pan out (i.e. there was no conniving on the part of Milkman in his night action speculation, a large part of his case) which might have gotten a proper response had Milkman not been shot. Might consider this a warning that his reads are bad this game or it's mafia motivated. Downgrading my read of Vivax from leaning town to null for now. 2) Hypothetical mafia MilkSuckler is active enough (and careful enough as scum as evidenced by our previous game together) to answer questions posed to him relatively quickly. Leaning town at this point. 3) Hassybaby: backburner for now, but let's not forget him, probably mafia or just begging for modkill or replcement at this point. Something about Hassy may be linked to Layabout which I think I'll take a look at next given the soft-defense mentioned in the spoiler above (post by Layabout.) side note, I hope the formatting isn't too awful to make this unreadable | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 01 2013 09:30 GMT
#2541
+ Show Spoiler [page50] + On February 27 2013 03:29 layabout wrote: Prom: I supported a prom lynch due to these posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote: Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote: My new platform is killing Layabout Read his posts hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players. My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read ## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are On February 26 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:21 Promethelax wrote: On February 26 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: prom could you respond to what I (and VE in response) said over here: On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote: On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote: Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote: My new platform is killing Layabout Read his posts hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote: It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to: A. put in the time to read the thread B. both make and evaluate other's cases C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players. My lynch platform is: Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read ## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. because again, the way you phrased that sounds awfully odd and I'm thinking of multiple explanations. None of them includes something you with a townie-mindset. Because I wanted it to gain some real traction. I had an idea about actually getting close and withdrawing my nomination since if scum was up for lynch they'd be pushing me as mayor where if there was a townie up for lynch they'd be pushing against me. It's a plan that only works if I get support on it. That was the discussion I wanted to spark. The basic idea was that Prom had stood for mayor under the premise that he would rng the lynch but then he turned around and said he had just wanted to create discussion. This is scummy because he didn't make enough of effort to create or encourage this discussion as he would be expected to do as town. Upon rereading I am not sure that he didn't do enough to push discussion. He mentions rng in a few posts but nobody really treats it as a valid option or says why it's a good/bad idea. The discussion naturally moves on and he lets it. Aside from that he posting is fine. I suppose he calls hasssy scummy for vanishing but he at least makes the effort to find out why hassy had gone + Show Spoiler + btw it was 3am uk time so maybe that + Show Spoiler [page53] + On February 27 2013 06:13 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [Not game relevant] + BH if anyone even suggests that your scum or disagrees with you you go after them aggressively and rudely. You often make personal attacks (though you mightn't think they are) that makes the game not fun to play. I remember i Igrok game where i don't think you were banned but you were out of order and since then i haven't wanted to play with you. (I don't think i said anything about it though. This game takes up to much time for us to treat each other like shit Vivax why hassy over chaos bear? And why don't you think we can do better than a lurker lynch when there were players you thought looked scummy? + Show Spoiler [page115] + [QUOTE]On March 01 2013 10:24 layabout wrote: Aqua since the main point of your case is that hassy tried to be pardoner what do you think of the fact that he ran for a similar role in Holy Roman mafia on a similar basis won it and didn't use it? Despite that being a theme/ troll game it doesn't change that he has done the exact thing that you are calling him scum for as town. I think we should lynch macho today or failing that chez since I trust BC on this. night. I'm questioning the logic of defending someone who for all intents and purposes ran for the pardoner position knowing specifically they aren't going to be around enough to prove they are town. It's just... odd. Like run for a position that gives town incentive to scrutinize you if you won't be around for the scrutiny. Or is this a play at looking not blendy by Hassy? Just feels strange to me that Layabout stood up for him in this way. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 01 2013 11:40 GMT
#2552
On March 01 2013 18:55 MilkSuckler wrote: I didn't read milkman filter cos all the chezinu stuff came up. But in short I liked his approach, and have thought he was town for a while, as evidenced by my last will and comments prior. I never had a reason to read him in detail which was why I couldn't isolate my thoughts. If chez is town vig then I still have no reason to read his filter. ======= OO you are lucky I got a hard on for toad right now. Whilst again I appreciate u took the time to read the thread. That's a commitment all of us r stuck with. The 27 pages have been condensed down to what again is a big summary post with one or two quotes u think r `gems`. There is minimal -if any- analysis and again u come back with zero pressure. E.g. U accuse me of having a scum game like this, then call me town.. I know from the shadowing of be.. U are capable of detailed analysis but its not here. The zealous approach u take only looks clean for so long... Wat Like, if you read my posts in order, I'm just following my thought process in the thread. Maybe someone better at deep analysis will see the things I feel are weird might be worth exploring or trigger something helpful for them. And why make a big deal of the fact that I said 27 pages? I just arbitrarily went back enough pages to gather thoughts about Hassy. If my posts are useless to you, that's cool, but you're one person. If everyone starts telling me my shit is completely useless I'll just follow Toad's example here which, to be honest, I can understand where he's coming from. Is there some kind of new meta-game where we make people not want to play the game? And while I'm talking to you... Hey, dude, try to stop responding with every little thought that goes through your head. You're at like 14% of all the thread action at a 17 page filter and not everything that everyone writes deserves a response directly from you. Unless you're intentionally trying to make your filter a bitch to read... | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 02 2013 04:32 GMT
#2766
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 03 2013 00:51 GMT
#3014
On March 03 2013 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2013 09:41 Vivax wrote: On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I'll think about it maybe I don't know. Ur basically guaranteed hit or rbd though Hatter just throw bombs down and lets lynch him tomorrow From OP: Engineer: You have explosives and you are not afraid to use them! You have 2 bombs. You may plant 1 each night and move them around as you please. If you ever die, your bombs will explode, killing the players they are on. If you die to the lynch your bombs will be found, and become duds. Could have the town Dayvig execute him though, that would work assuming we have one. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 03 2013 02:40 GMT
#3035
+ Show Spoiler [themed game mafia] + On February 18 2013 00:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: I rarely place my vote in the first half of the day This game, a few hours into D2 (contrary to his previous statement from another game, but given that activity has been sporadic this isn't evidence that he is scum for the exhibited behavior): + Show Spoiler [early day 2] + On March 01 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 09:15 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 01 2013 09:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: On March 01 2013 09:12 The Milkman wrote: On March 01 2013 09:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill. My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec. If you want to wifom here's a thought for you: Mafia doublestacked VE. That means we have one kill too much. Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills. Getting in the car for realsies now Why do u feel the need to keep telling me u going to the car, or airport or whatever it has been.... Reads to me as over compensating. Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 10:16 randombum wrote: So I'm looking to sheep somebody to victory here, my original case against OO is weakened greatly by his new play since his posting has clearly improved since I pointed it out. Suckler asked me to look at jcarl recently and I did and posted what I thought was suspicious and I still do. Furthermore his few posts after have not helped him very much. I actually liked: + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 07:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: You guys ever have Jury Duty? Here's some advice: don't, it sucks. Been doing my best to stay updated. I'm noticing that geript, you're harping on DrH and VE and their possible motivations for wanting (or not wanting) to be elected into their respective roles. I'd like to point out that Wade Fell was trying INCREDIBLY hard at the end of D1 to get his name into that pool for one of the spots. Generally, keeping elections so close is an anti-town thing to do as it gives scum the leverage they need to get who they want into the right spot. Why are you not also pressuring Wade Fell along with VE and DrH, as he was also apparently motivated for the positions. It starts a with a crappy reason to lurk, but then he actually gets into analysis. That's redeeming, but then. + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 09:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 09:12 The Milkman wrote: On March 01 2013 09:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill. My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec. If you want to wifom here's a thought for you: Mafia doublestacked VE. That means we have one kill too much. Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills. Getting in the car for realsies now He ends on a reason to lurk. So for now my main lynch target is jcarl. Not overcompensating, and I'm sorry that my RL time has been busy? I was only extending the courtesy of keeping you guys informed. I also haven't really done it more or less than any of the other players who have been busy. Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more. I know you're disappointed with my play, and I acknowledge that my activity has been...sporadic (and even that's being generous). C'est la vie. + Show Spoiler + But while you waste your time tossing your vote on me, I'm going to try to look for someone who's actually scum. ##vote JungleJorge This case is easy enough started off with his defense and then waffling on the topic of the Prom lynch. I will post them again for easy reference: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. First post: he defends Prom, but also says "I'll let you guys figure out why" ~5 hours later, he realizes that all the candidates are going to kill Prom, and he's been caught with his ass hanging out in defense of the man who will ultimately flip red. He switches to all "hey guys, i was kidding, i was testing him." In the same vein, he, ONCE AGAIN, refrains from expanding upon his thoughts on Macho Man. About 6 hours later, another soft defense of Prome: + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 09:48 JungleJorge wrote: DocH and Wade Fell, you both seem to believe scum Prome wouldn't behave in the way I described, yet you believe Prome is scum. What gives? If you believe it is a null tell and I have reached the correct conclusion, by your own standards, what exactly is the problem here? Wouldn't you be better off taking in the information in regards to the reactions of many players, including the one set to be lynched, and ultimately have a better picture of the situation prior to the lynch so you could make a more informed decision and even after if we end up lynching him? If you believe it produced no meaningful content you can safely ignore it. It's funny how you accuse me of being anti-town when I'm trying to produce information by my own means, yet you both share my conclusion. Also how exactly my withholding information for some amount of time to observe the reactions to my post damages the town in any regard? I've said I'd share the concerns I had with prome's lynch and I did. As it stands right now I believe the best lynch is prome and I'd be foolish to try to persuade town that The Macho Man is a better lynch, if even I don't share that point of view. Yes I do have problems with TMM, but I'll discuss those when the time is appropriate. It's a common mistake by many players to say every single thought that comes to their minds, instead of keeping the focus on what needs to be done. Most of you so far seem to believe I'm some sort of idiot who ought to be dismissed. It's actually a barrier that I'm trying to overcome by making long quality over explanatory posts. I assure you I'm pretty good at this game, you would be surprised to know who you are dealing with. I assure you that if I had my name attached to my posts I would need to right a third as much and would have three times the influence. The rest of his filter is responding to a bunch of posts in order to defend himself. He mentions a few people he think could be scum (Restraining Order, Myself), and the last we heard from him, he's dead set on Aquanim dying. I would love to hear his point of view at this point. Sticking to his read (still getting townie vibes): + Show Spoiler [sticking to his read] + On March 01 2013 11:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 11:35 randombum wrote: jcarl since you here please respond to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=99#1977 which was the original reason I disliked you. The lurkyness alone like you said is not damning but what's in the link is far more so. You posted a read early on in the day (turned out wrong which is a slight negative) on vayesh and a minor on vivax, and then you backed off them with almost no explanation. So explain. Ah yes, thank you. Was about to ask for this, I missed this in the clutter, and I was wondering what you meant in your earlier post saying I backtracked. Show nested quote + On February 28 2013 17:54 randombum wrote: About jcarl. Looking though filter and not seeing it in context just screams scum to me. There's very low % of "useful" posts by him and what's apparent upon filter diving is that his two main posts are contradictory. Main post 1 + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Alllllllrighty VayeshMoru After a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing): He isn't committing to anything. VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote: On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote: On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote: On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax And then gives his $.02 about some other people: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote: On February 26 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote: On February 26 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote: On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote: Talk to me about aqua. On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent). On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote: ... Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua? I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it? Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why? My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote: On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote: You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent. I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL. A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote: Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 12:38 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 12:33 VayeshMoru wrote: On February 26 2013 12:31 Promethelax wrote: On February 26 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 26 2013 12:23 Promethelax wrote: On February 26 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote: On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote: On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something? ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times. Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town. Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses. Do you care what I have to say o. The matter? Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen. No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town. Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world. I am not saying this to agree with Prome. I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses. He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)...I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me. one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. @Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day? I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around). That basically boiled down to minor case on Viax and a relatively big case on vayesh. However, his next big post is Main post 2 + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 10:36 jcarlsoniv wrote: K, gonna try to answer the questions/comments addressed to/about me. If I missed something, let me know. (and I just completely fucked up formatting and lost my whole post, so now I'm sad) Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 07:24 layabout wrote: Wave do you not think it's suspicious that jcarl agrees that prom and vivax are scum when asked but otherwise ignores them or that his scum read was somebody that has adopted a troll-ish posting style? At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future. Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar. As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol) Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 07:52 Vivax wrote: Carlson I'd like to know your updated opinion on vayesh and why you sounded so sure about Prom not being able to post when you see this. For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense Show nested quote + On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote: On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote: On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized. Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit. Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax. I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like: Show nested quote + On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax. Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet. Bold is mine, Important parts are he has retracted both his reads with minimal explanation. The part with vayesh is especially concerning, his gut read was strong enough to write up a post, but not so strong that he is willing to retract it when it hasn't been scrutinized or mentioned very much. Those are the two main posts of his and so what I derive the majority of my read which is he looks pretty scummy. If he can explain adequately why he was so quick to change his read I'll look him over again. I don't have much else to say about it other than what I've already said, but I can try to expand upon it. My initial gut read on Vayesh was scum, yes. At that point in the day, it was obvious that Prom was being lynched (just had to figure out who would be the one to kill him), so I wanted to try to look elsewhere. I saw Vayesh's posting and it rubbed me the wrong way, but there was admittedly little to go on at the time. I wanted to try to create pressure, so I made the case on him. As he started posting more and I read more, my gut read faded away, and I noted that. I'm not afraid to be wrong, so I took a shot at it. As for Vivax, my position on him hasn't really changed. I did find him a bit scummy at the time, and I still do (although somewhat less so at this point). I was dead set on him being scum in our last game too, and I turned out to be wrong. I said it before and I'll say it again, I was apprehensive of my gut feelings on Vivax for that very reason. @Wade Fell: Your case is reasonable. And I may be compelled to follow you just to see a video of you eating your hat. However, it is still early in the day, and I want to hear from JJ. More opposition to Chez lynch (okay the bolded+underlined part is where I start to get worried): + Show Spoiler [further opposition to chez lynch] + On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: Morning gents. I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red. I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead). Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today. ##unvote ##vote Geript Demonstrating an anti-town attitude about the primary focus for lynch lashing out at WF: + Show Spoiler [bad attitude] + On March 03 2013 08:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2013 08:33 Wade Fell wrote: I don't care if someone else masoned Chezinu, what matters is that chezinu is scum. Someone else's poor choice of mason partner is not my problem. My god, a big part of me really wants to be right about Chez just so you can shut your friggin mouth Ominous warning, possible role claim, seems to be upset that we lynched scum and he's been one of the few actually pushing in another direction (well, two that I counted): On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed. I am just not seeing how this final post says "It's your funeral" in a town way. Looks more like a threat. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 09:13 GMT
#3359
On March 04 2013 17:58 Aquanim wrote: Anyone here? I just read randombum's filter and it contains: - his weird "elect scum for mayor" plan - scumreads on OO and jcarlsoniv he never followed up - late sheeps onto Prom and Chezinu wagons - that's pretty much it Does anyone have any reason to think this guy's town? because I can't find one Yeah just looking at a couple filters regarding recent events. I'll look at randombum in a few, my last pass was quite a while back. Here's what I'm looking at now: JJ voted Grush earlier in the day because "why not". This game is matching Grush town meta IMO so I want to see what JJ saw (he seems to have dropped it in favor of voting Vivax). @JJ what is it about Grush's filter that makes you think he could be scum? WF asked you earlier and you simply said "his filter." You seem to have forgotten about that request given all your night action speculation. "His filter" is not an acceptable answer. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 09:40 GMT
#3360
On March 01 2013 11:42 randombum wrote: Show nested quote + On March 01 2013 11:36 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote: Alright 22, Restraining order, Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like: On February 27 2013 01:09 Restraining Order wrote: On February 27 2013 00:35 The Milkman wrote: Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else? This is the dumbest thing I have read all game, and let me tell you, there are plenty dumb things around. I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is: On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote: On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me. Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking. Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters. you have identified two people you are suspicious of. What do you intend to do with them? I already stated I'm going to lynch jcarl unless I get convinced by somebody else. If for some reason nobody wants jcarl and they want RO instead I'd be willing to lynch him too. On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote: Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBum On March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote: Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu? What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on. On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote: Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy. Interestingly enough he wanted to do a vote switch from Chez based on Chez not being shot by a town day-vig. But he is interested in lynching Jcarl and I think that's bonus points for him right now. Still not interested in a randombum lynch. He looks like he's trying to figure stuff out. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 09:57 GMT
#3362
On March 04 2013 18:46 Aquanim wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2013 18:40 ObviousOne wrote: @Aqua: On March 01 2013 11:42 randombum wrote: On March 01 2013 11:36 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 01 2013 11:29 randombum wrote: Alright 22, Restraining order, Overall, another really short one, but the conclusion is different though. I don't like his posting. Mostly lurkerish and minimal analysis (focused on JJ). His tone also really bugs me like: On February 27 2013 01:09 Restraining Order wrote: On February 27 2013 00:35 The Milkman wrote: Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else? This is the dumbest thing I have read all game, and let me tell you, there are plenty dumb things around. I hate comments like that which really shouldn't be a part of team liquid. His most redeeming post is: On February 27 2013 11:34 Restraining Order wrote: On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Yes Maybe Yes Yes No Yes Which is basically a scum list with no justification. In other words, it's pretty pointless/bad. And that's his most redeeming. So he's super suspicious to me. Not quite as strong as jcarl because jcarls filter just as shitty, but as I posted earlier jcarl backtracked his reads with almost no explanation which to me is worse than lurking. Randombum.. thanks for going through the filters. you have identified two people you are suspicious of. What do you intend to do with them? I already stated I'm going to lynch jcarl unless I get convinced by somebody else. If for some reason nobody wants jcarl and they want RO instead I'd be willing to lynch him too. On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote: On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote: Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBum On March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote: Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu? What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on. On March 04 2013 13:40 randombum wrote: Also, anybody want to discuss somebody not geript? Like jcarl, let's lynch that guy. Interestingly enough he wanted to do a vote switch from Chez based on Chez not being shot by a town day-vig. But he is interested in lynching Jcarl and I think that's bonus points for him right now. Still not interested in a randombum lynch. He looks like he's trying to figure stuff out. Well there's only two scum left and unless randombum and jcarlsoniv are the last two scum I don't see why scum randombum wouldn't attack a suspicious-looking jcarlsoniv. After all, randombum has to do something... Have you checked Geript's meta as mentioned before? On March 03 2013 02:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If anyone wants proof Geript is scum/3rd party go look at his town filter from the last newbie mafia. It couldn't be more different, I usually hate meta reads but this one is nothing but net Did you give it a look? It's night and day. Something is off about Geript this game and he's overplaying the martyr right now. I've done the martyring thing too, I martyred HARD in my second or third newbie game and I finally picked myself up and at least tried to do what any town player should do in his position: try to organize thoughts into cases and push them regardless of how terrible I looked. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 10:12 GMT
#3363
On March 02 2013 15:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Nothing is more telling than "Hey I'm gonna scumhunt hard and read everyones filters" and then never doing that and just pushing distrust on all the vocal town voices the most significant things geript has done this game: 1. talk mess about VE, confirmed townie and potentially dangerous vet 2. talk mess about BC, confirmed townie and potentially dangerous vet 3. talk mess about me, potentially dangerous vet his case against me depends on the idea that i heard about 2 night vigs in the scum qt and i just pointed out which post by vivax it was i was talking about and before that "slip" he had a null read on me so if he's still gonna call me scum, he's being illogical MEANING his logic was formed for the purpose of the accusation not the accusation being formed on the basis of the logic MEANING he is scum or incredibly bad and stubborn I return to this and it's actually really resonating with me. What better plan for a scum team than to hunt vets inside and outside the thread. I mean unless DocH is scum (very doubtful) and picked up on this trait of Geript's to stick an easy case to a townie on the wrong track, the plan to attack vets both via NKs and inside the thread to sow discord/chaos is really actually an intriguing plan and had it been more successful I could see us being in a bad place. The question remains, why butt heads with the towniest mofuggas in the thread? The people with the most presence in the thread will always have the most material to draw from, and reading filters (as was definitely necessary) takes everything out of context making players who change their mind with good reasons more difficult to get a hold of when playing catch up. DocH has been down with the town for every lynch so far and is making a whole lot of sense and I wish I could understand what it is exactly that Geript is finding so terribly scummy about him that there is an open ended pointless argument happening in the thread about it. The head to head is just not making sense from a town POV. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 22:12 GMT
#3423
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 06 2013 06:03 GMT
#3630
On March 04 2013 18:13 ObviousOne wrote: @JJ what is it about Grush's filter that makes you think he could be scum? WF asked you earlier and you simply said "his filter." You seem to have forgotten about that request given all your night action speculation. "His filter" is not an acceptable answer. Sup, JJ? Still would like to hear why this was the case. You voting Vivax again tomorrow? If not Vivax, who and why? On March 06 2013 10:35 TestSubject893 wrote: Jeez, I don't understand what was going through geript's head to act the way he did. I guess its not worth while to dwell on it right now though. I feel like things got a lot more wide open with neither Hassy or geript flipping scum. (We've had relatively easy decisions on the lynches up until now.) I think looking more closely at randombum could be a good move from here. I'll reexamine him. Just holding you to this, I originally thought he looked invested and involved town-style but my mind is changing on that. On March 06 2013 06:50 grush57 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2013 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On March 06 2013 06:40 Aquanim wrote: On March 06 2013 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I had to guess based on my gut who that would be it would be WoS or BlazingHand. You think scum BH would have hard-bussed Chezinu day 2 like he did, reducing scum KP to ONE? 0.o 0.o 0.o It's something I would do If geript flips town we should definitely think about lynching WF I'm listening. One thing striking me about WF is how fast and accurate his scumdar was working. He's been relatively quiet recently except to participate in the Geript fiasco. On March 04 2013 20:56 Wade Fell wrote: Show nested quote + On March 04 2013 20:50 MilkSuckler wrote: I tell you, if aqua and wade fell are scum.. well fucking done. The constant mentor / student association happening here reads with some conviction. Wade Considering Geript refuses to vote for Aquanim (even when Aquanim is under heat) & Aquanim has required coaching (from you ) to agree on each lynch... What are your current thoughts on a Aquanim as the next Day lynch? When Geript flips scum, my suspicion of Aquanim shoots up greatly. It has been noted that on the toad lynch my efforts to convince him were not in fact very convincing to others-- though I certainly found them convincing. His odd words about lynching for information during D2 are also troubling, as well as his slowness to vote Chez (though he did verbally commit to such a vote early in the day). I have a couple other candidates on my radar as well, as much as they can *be* on a radar-- hassybaby and ObviousOne Geript was town, but he basically begged to be lynched. Hassy was town and an easy target... You can see where I'm heading with this... You still wanna kill me now that Hassy has flipped town, WF? Is Aqua cleared of suspicion? How are you planning to open up tomorrow? Final thoughts in case you're the night target? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 06 2013 06:05 GMT
#3632
On March 06 2013 15:03 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2013 14:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Think I'll just dangle you on the end of my hook for a little while longer. I'm surprised I'm getting such a rise out of you, honestly. Im fuckn bored thats the only reason why.. Im more shocked Dr.H thinks this is a serious conversation, and completely side stepped Glurio.. I just glanced at Glurio's filter. Holy monkey, lynch him with fire. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 07 2013 06:14 GMT
#3762
On March 07 2013 15:04 MilkSuckler wrote: All To re-emphasise the obvious. Show nested quote + On March 07 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote: It is now day 4! the day will last 24 hours! with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch! This is the first time all game we haven't had a clear front runner for lynch, and with ~18hrs left I am getting concerned about consolidation (mainly because most of the action will occur whilst I am asleep & there are signs of strong disagreement). I suggest for this cycle we stick with the 3 candidates seriously proposed: (1) Glurio (2) jcarlsoniv (3) Aquanim Thank you for emphasizing the Obvious! Just joking at the moment. Catching up on today's action, if you're still here is that a parallel or series list of names. Is that the order you think is most likely to flip red? I'll give glurio another read when I'm at a proper computer but I know I was concerned about jcarl given his threatening tone towards DocH earlier and his eagerness to vote that I also pointed out. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 07 2013 06:41 GMT
#3766
On March 07 2013 12:46 Aquanim wrote: I can't see any breadcrumbs in BH's posts after the dayposts besides his mad-dog charges at Chezinu and Geript, so they were presumably his checks. He could have been paranoid, or maybe Geript was framed by RO. Unless someone can find a breadcrumb all his checks were presumably on now-dead players so I don't see the point in further speculation. Geript had to die. He was destroying us. Behavior alone was worth the lynch regardless of alignment. If you're concerned about how that went down, may I suggest taking a look at who was instigating him into further shitting up the thread? You might find mafia there, or annoyed town; you tell us. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 07 2013 06:48 GMT
#3767
On March 07 2013 13:52 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2013 13:40 WaveofShadow wrote: People are called out multiple times as well throughout the thread, hell I didn't even include Prom. That is almost EVERYONE in the thread Mocsta has suggested we lynch. Throwing around suspicion at absolutely everyone he possibly can all the time doesn't exactly strike me as town behaviour. There are a few more gut things that bother me about Mocsta but his filter is just so godawful to go through right now I just can't do it anymore. Hell you can add filter occlusion to the list. His play reminds me VERY STGRONGLY of his play from NMM 37. Scummy. (1) This is retarded. If you manage to secure a mislynch of this, you need to look closely at your reads. Everything you highlighted indicates a townie that gives a shit about the game... not a scum player. Instead of looking at who is accused, why dont you read the reasoning. A lot of is sound (based on what we knew at the time).. the development of thought process is transparent. Frankly, I am getting pissed off you keep refering to my scum game in NMM37. The only thing that is common is activity which is not an indicator for me. My agenda is completely different from NMM37, that game, i tunneled one guy as an excuse to contribute. If anything, your post makes me confirmed town, if you want to put so much emphasis into meta. Wow this interaction.... just. Getting really bad vibes from WoS going to have another go at his filter thanks to this. Damn. Either this is the worst attempt ever at meta or WoS really just wants a strong voice/player dead (which seems to be the scum strategy, so it fits the bill). Verdict later. I am more interested in Jcarl. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 07 2013 07:01 GMT
#3768
On March 07 2013 10:16 randombum wrote: Decided to start reading filters just based off the order list and composing my thoughts about each one as I go along. So start with grush. First thing that caught my attention: Show nested quote + On February 21 2013 05:59 grush57 wrote: yessiree, tho that was the only time my actions didn't get taken, maybe cuz I only sent it to co-host but I will send both this game If we never figure out the odd night two I think grush deserves extra attention. The fact that he has "forgotten" to submit an action to both hosts before might be something he kept in mind. Sums up my opinion of grush. He plays around with starsense and then nothing else. Very empty filter. His only reads have been sure that toad is mafia. Very sure on geript being mafia, and then a one liner saying he doesn't like RO and Hassy. His most recent reads are aqua/jcarl. I won't fault him for who he has been targeting. Because I had suspicisions on toad, jcarl, RO and hassy, but its how he has done it. There's literally only one piece on analysis from him this whole game. and that's + Show Spoiler + On March 03 2013 14:25 grush57 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 03 2013 14:10 MilkSuckler wrote: On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote: Surely atleast some scum tried to switch to Geript. I doubt scum would get in the position for both candidates to be scum. Agreed (somewhat) geript (6): DoctorHelvetica, geript, Chezinu, jcarlsoniv, MilkSuckler, glurio, What do you think about JCarlsoniv grush57? On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote: Tho if geript is scum then we got this in the bag. y? 2 scum left baby! idk I just said something random man and jcarlsoniv.... Well he kind of defended for Chez like why would he shoot town when he could get counter claimed. Plus he shot milkman, which wasn't the strongest town leader this game. Basically he made some good arguments but Chez is scum But then there's also stuff about throwing suspicion on Toad and JJ, and while he also sais bad stuff about Chez he wants to lynch geript, but that was after Dr H. And then there's this which strikes me as a scum to scumbuddy post. Idk this is kinda just rambling but yea I think jcarl is a good vig/lynch target for tomorrow. And that's not even very in depth. I get the feeling that grush isn't even that convinced on jcarl from that post. It's like he's trying to say something, that he can point to be and "I knew he was scum" but not actually be the cause of his death. Does somebody see something I'm not seeing because this just screams mafia to me. Grush scum meta is much more spammy and intentionally useless. His scum meta also contains more PUSH than his town meta, and he doesn't seem to be pushing for anything this game. I'm not comfortable lynching into him just yet but I would really like to see something solid from him today. Obvious verdict: 3P or bored T (since it feels somewhat off from his town meta). Not today. On March 06 2013 07:46 grush57 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 06 2013 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote: On March 06 2013 06:50 grush57 wrote: On March 06 2013 06:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On March 06 2013 06:40 Aquanim wrote: On March 06 2013 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I had to guess based on my gut who that would be it would be WoS or BlazingHand. You think scum BH would have hard-bussed Chezinu day 2 like he did, reducing scum KP to ONE? 0.o 0.o 0.o It's something I would do If geript flips town we should definitely think about lynching WF Nah. You're a much better target. Also I don't know whether to be honoured or insulted since more and more people seem to think half of what I write is scripted. k gl What makes you feel so safe Grush? Or was that just at the time and not in general, because you filter does feel kind of comfy safe and that might just be you skating under the radar given all the bullshit that happened in the thread D3? | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 07 2013 08:14 GMT
#3771
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 01:29 GMT
#4118
On March 08 2013 09:27 grush57 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2013 09:26 JungleJorge wrote: On March 08 2013 09:21 Vivax wrote: I'm also hearing some noise in the background is that a voice? It sounds stupid. I wasn't stupid when i told people toad was scum despite him claiming vig n1 and everyone saying "yolo toad is town fo sho". Then risk hammering mafia d1 and I say fuck that the dude is scum and he was. Weren't you on toad's team when he pulled this off and everyone thought that was the best play ever? Oh right you were. Now go kill me cuz I don't want to read this game any longer. JJ is scum yes? Sandroba is acting different and being a jailor and sandroba = insta die On March 09 2013 10:09 grush57 wrote: Vivax, jcarl, Wos, Aquanim. in those 4 yes ##Vote: Vivax I want to lynch Grush, I really do. I said his meta makes him look town but I also know from reading him that he is aware of his town meta and actively (or as actively as can be done with his posting style) emulates it as scum. Now he's calling out a list I would like to believe is at least 3/4 town and is willing to lynch any of them. Please consider a Grush lynch today. And yes I am aware of what DocH said about scum targeting Grush since it's easy but he's here pushing now without even the courtesy of dot-point reasoning and I'm just not gonna tolerate it. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 01:42 GMT
#4120
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 02:05 GMT
#4123
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 02:13 GMT
#4125
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 05:15 GMT
#4133
On March 09 2013 14:13 MilkSuckler wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2013 11:15 layabout wrote: We are lynching through jcarl, vivax, aqua, oo, right? Wrong we are lynching Vivax today no one else comes into consideration. Vivax full stop. There will be blood! ##Vote: Vivax | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 17:54 GMT
#4142
On March 10 2013 02:37 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, I've been convinced. Vivax it is. His interaction with jcarl now is odd though. ##Vote:Vivax Do expound upon this brief interlude of an inkling; let it blossom and grow as the flowers and trees that bear succulent fruit and magnificent shade. Pray, tell what do you mean, good sir, lest we think the only examinations visited upon thee were alien in variety and of the nethers, regionally. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 19:13 GMT
#4150
On March 10 2013 04:07 TestSubject893 wrote: Show nested quote + On March 10 2013 04:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Are there armorers in this game? You should claim. Scum with a dayvig and just having a mad hatter seems crazy to me. I'm looking at people like TS who are jumping on the Vivax bandwagon without really seeming that sure. TestSubject even wrote up a post explaining what he felt unsure about and I don't see the point in doing that unless you're actually worried about people suspecting you for voting someone we all seem to agree to vote for, I don't get it. OO asked me to. That's what I gathered from his post anyway. I thought I was asking you to expand on your thought about Vivax--Jcarl relationship speculation because otherwise your post was just noise. What exactly was your vector of analysis between them? You made a statement but it left me confused (admittedly, I am confused all the time). | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 09 2013 23:59 GMT
#4156
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 10 2013 00:30 GMT
#4162
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 10 2013 14:08 GMT
#4184
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 10 2013 15:32 GMT
#4186
On March 11 2013 00:01 layabout wrote: why would you say where your bombs are??? we want your bombs to overlap with people that are doused so that we have enough cycles to lynch who we need to. There's a reason they call it a WIFOM bomb. | ||
ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 12 2013 23:16 GMT
#4339
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
March 12 2013 23:19 GMT
#4342
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