In LIX I sent some dude the night actions who wasn't even co-hosting despite being in the OP. He found it quite funny.
That was my favourite part of that whole game. When you said you had sent jcarlsoniv a pm I knew things were going to be hilarious the whole game long.
In LIX I sent some dude the night actions who wasn't even co-hosting despite being in the OP. He found it quite funny.
That was my favourite part of that whole game. When you said you had sent jcarlsoniv a pm I knew things were going to be hilarious the whole game long.
Lol I was incredibly confused
haha, is that what brought you back to mafia?
That and my casting partner (waveofshadow) starting to play. He asked me to watch over him in his first newbie game, and I jumped into themed.
On February 21 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: Am I totally insane or did the flavour in op change?
Soniv: I didn't know WoS was yours. Its fun to see people return to the game who haven't played in a while or in your case haven't played under their own name in a while.
Wat... No. It's true I haven't played in a while. But WoS isn't my smurf. He's my casting partner.
On February 21 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: Am I totally insane or did the flavour in op change?
Soniv: I didn't know WoS was yours. Its fun to see people return to the game who haven't played in a while or in your case haven't played under their own name in a while.
Wat... No. It's true I haven't played in a while. But WoS isn't my smurf. He's my casting partner.
sorry poorly worded. Last time you played before very recently was on a smurf.
On February 21 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote: Am I totally insane or did the flavour in op change?
Soniv: I didn't know WoS was yours. Its fun to see people return to the game who haven't played in a while or in your case haven't played under their own name in a while.
Wat... No. It's true I haven't played in a while. But WoS isn't my smurf. He's my casting partner.
sorry poorly worded. Last time you played before very recently was on a smurf.
Oh. Yes it was. I'd prefer to forget that game.
Fair enough. We all have games like that.
I don't - I remember specifically all of my horrible failures. Otherwise how do we learn?
Remember that non-themed Magic mini? Me, Bugs and a really really shit up thread? How about PTP where I shot BC in the face D1? Or Responsibility where I smoked GM for having the same role as me? Or Liquid City where I BENT TIME AND SPACE to create a theory that fit why I got a guilty result on a townie?
Yes, I'm quite versed in failure.
Well, it's one thing to learn from it. It's another thing entirely to start out smurfing, and then accidentally post with your main.
And THEN play like shit and learn nothing from it.
On February 26 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote: I'm sorry there's a possibility you are a newer player, so I will explain thoroughly: The mayor has two votes, and the runner-up for mayor gains a power that's basically only useful to mafia. We can't just go voting townreads. We have to have people state clearly why they are voting who they are voting for, and potential mayoral candidates must clearly outline who they will use the lynch on and why. Anything less is bad.
Yes, ideally you vote in the towniest player as mayor, but someone can be townie and useless. Mayor determines today's lynch. The idea that Mayor is irrelevant is one you should cast out of your mind as soon as possible.
On the basis that it promotes a mafia agenda. The most important thing about the election is to get town into the two roles.
Let's lynch him because he's right?
It's D1, more like than not people are going to have town reads that are dead wrong. So when wade says "can't just go voting townreads", he's correct. It's pretty easy for scum to appear town in D1 - nothing's happened yet. It's VERY easy for people to accidentally throw a few votes on a scum member they think is town, and BOOM mafia has a pardon. Terrible fucking idea.
And wade's further concerns are also easy to understand (concerning the lynch candidate being tossed to 2nd place and then getting killed to get rid of the pardoner). It's extremely easy and common for last minute panic switches to occur. Hell, it was a leading detriment to Themed Mafia just a few days ago, and it's often as not lead by town as it is by scum.
On February 26 2013 09:19 layabout wrote: lets kill wade for this:
On February 26 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote: I'm sorry there's a possibility you are a newer player, so I will explain thoroughly: The mayor has two votes, and the runner-up for mayor gains a power that's basically only useful to mafia. We can't just go voting townreads. We have to have people state clearly why they are voting who they are voting for, and potential mayoral candidates must clearly outline who they will use the lynch on and why. Anything less is bad.
Yes, ideally you vote in the towniest player as mayor, but someone can be townie and useless. Mayor determines today's lynch. The idea that Mayor is irrelevant is one you should cast out of your mind as soon as possible.
On the basis that it promotes a mafia agenda. The most important thing about the election is to get town into the two roles.
Let's lynch him because he's right?
It's D1, more like than not people are going to have town reads that are dead wrong. So when wade says "can't just go voting townreads", he's correct. It's pretty easy for scum to appear town in D1 - nothing's happened yet. It's VERY easy for people to accidentally throw a few votes on a scum member they think is town, and BOOM mafia has a pardon. Terrible fucking idea.
And wade's further concerns are also easy to understand (concerning the lynch candidate being tossed to 2nd place and then getting killed to get rid of the pardoner). It's extremely easy and common for last minute panic switches to occur. Hell, it was a leading detriment to Themed Mafia just a few days ago, and it's often as not lead by town as it is by scum.
You put a lot of emphasis into this post.
...
I'll try to be more mundane next time.
Why don't you say something that actually means anything next time.
On February 26 2013 09:43 layabout wrote: well gee jcarl, if scum can look townie i guess we might as well give up right now then...
the argument that we might think scum are town is disgusting. Besides nearly every game of mafia ever has a few players that look very town that are very town and if you read the thread and people are even a bit active it is not hard to find them even on day1.
What I'm saying is that you think his post is a "scum agenda" and I disagree because I agree with WF's sentiment.
On February 26 2013 09:43 layabout wrote: well gee jcarl, if scum can look townie i guess we might as well give up right now then...
the argument that we might think scum are town is disgusting. Besides nearly every game of mafia ever has a few players that look very town that are very town and if you read the thread and people are even a bit active it is not hard to find them even on day1.
What I'm saying is that you think his post is a "scum agenda" and I disagree because I agree with WF's sentiment.
then why did you use dishonest scare tactics?
If you think those are scare tactics then you need to grow a fucking pair.
On February 26 2013 10:25 Chezinu wrote: Hello everyone.
Before we began, I think it is important for everyone to get to know one another. As an ice breaker, I would like everyone to state their name and post three things about themselves which may not be known to the others people here. Two are true and one is not.
I will start.
My name is Chezinu
I have read my role I never played a newbie game I am not The Scribe!
On February 26 2013 10:25 Chezinu wrote: Hello everyone.
Before we began, I think it is important for everyone to get to know one another. As an ice breaker, I would like everyone to state their name and post three things about themselves which may not be known to the others people here. Two are true and one is not.
I will start.
My name is Chezinu
I have read my role I never played a newbie game I am not The Scribe!
I love when Chez doesn't read his role.
^.^
and Vayesh believed the man from space had never played a game of the recruit variety. For the man from space has been around since the conception of time.
Newbie games didn't exist when I started playing, and I'm pretty sure Chez been around longer than me.
Jesus fuck - catching up on this took way longer than I anticipated.
Not going to beat the dead horse of the Prom case.
I will return in a few hours after class. Before I do, I will be looking at Vivax and Vayesh (initial gut reads after catching up), and I will comment on them then.
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light?
when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth.
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light?
when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth.
One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing.
obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax
On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light.
On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote: Talk to me about aqua.
On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent).
On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote: ... Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua?
I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it?
Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why?
My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now.
Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination.
On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote: You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?
That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible.
Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored.
I thought it was transparent.
I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL.
A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid?
If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform.
On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil
On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?
ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times.
Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town.
Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses.
Do you care what I have to say o. The matter?
Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen.
No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town.
Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world.
I am not saying this to agree with Prome.
I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses.
He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)...I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me.
one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying.
However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now.
He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick.
I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die.
@Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day?
I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around).
On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours.
On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now.
I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch
JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense
On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?
Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent.
'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody!
Promethelax, how do you feel about this post?
conclusion: probably scum, would lynch.
I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town!
Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits.
Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it.
As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch.
On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um...JJ, wtf?
On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours.
On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:
On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now.
I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch
JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense
On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?
Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent.
'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody!
Promethelax, how do you feel about this post?
conclusion: probably scum, would lynch.
I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town!
Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits.
Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it.
As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch.
Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted?
What?
I'm confused as to why JJ would go from "I believe promethelax is innocent" to "Promethelax is likely scum" in literally one post.
And using "JK GAIZ I WAS JUST TESTING HIM" is not a viable excuse in my book.
On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote: I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.
Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so?
I don't believe either is town, but I'm a bit more reserved on Vivax because I tunneled him hard last game for similar reasons, and I ended up being wrong.
K, gonna try to answer the questions/comments addressed to/about me. If I missed something, let me know. (and I just completely fucked up formatting and lost my whole post, so now I'm sad)
On February 27 2013 07:24 layabout wrote: Wave do you not think it's suspicious that jcarl agrees that prom and vivax are scum when asked but otherwise ignores them or that his scum read was somebody that has adopted a troll-ish posting style?
At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future. Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar. As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol)
On February 27 2013 07:52 Vivax wrote: Carlson I'd like to know your updated opinion on vayesh and why you sounded so sure about Prom not being able to post when you see this.
For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier: + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now.
I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch
JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense
On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?
Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent.
'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody!
Promethelax, how do you feel about this post?
conclusion: probably scum, would lynch.
I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town!
That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized.
On February 27 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit.
Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax.
I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like:
On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax.
Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet.
On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote: Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record.
Still waiting to hear from you. There isn't a single scum read in your filter, and all you've really posted was an incredibly convoluted scheme to get scum elected to try and get information.
On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote: Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record.
Still waiting to hear from you. There isn't a single scum read in your filter, and all you've really posted was an incredibly convoluted scheme to get scum elected to try and get information.
On February 27 2013 11:17 geript wrote: Fine then Dr. You think I'm scum. Bring the case.
You're not getting lynched tonight, so it would be a complete waste of my time.
Pressure makes mafia crack and form cases. Cases are to get mafia lynched. I could throw out more cases now but it wouldn't be productive. That case would get buried and then day 2 discussion would go in a different direction. Focus is important.
On my phone at work, so posting ability is limited.
@wave: I made a post addressing questions directed towards/ about me. I also said that if I missed any to please tell me. So please, enlighten me.
Vivax was lashing out hardcore. DrH, the last game he was town in was Themed Game Mafia (if you're looking to check in on him, as you said you might). You'll notice he and I were butting heads towards the end of the game. His attitude this game seems far more aggressive and illogical to me, and he is looking scummier each time he lashes out.
Thinking about it in these circumstances, geript's idea doesn't seem entirely crazy anymore. Not sure if I'm going insane.
Since we plan on killing prom (this more directed at DrH since he is dead set on prom dying while VE has left room for different opinions), what is the biggest reason for not putting prom into pardoner position?
DrH, since you'd be killing him, do you have any qualms about shooting prom and getting rid of pardoner simultaneously?
I know geript wasn't the first to mention it. I'd look back if I had more of a capacity to do so. I only said him because he said it most recently (directly above my post).
It seems a plausible plan now because we actually have a plan to kill someone now, and I am in support of DrH doing so.
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow.
I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself...
On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, cool. Gj guys.
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow.
I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself...
I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all.
Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town.
It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it.
On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, cool. Gj guys.
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow.
I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself...
I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all.
Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town.
It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it.
Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened.
Ok, I acknowledge that logic. However, that doesn't make them 100% townie in my eyes, nor does it make you 100% townie - especially considering how hard you were trying to make sure EVERYONE knows it was your idea.
On February 28 2013 09:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Again, because lies are being spread. I did not sheep on Prom. Unless agreeing with someone's point of discussion is considered "sheeping", I provided reasoning of my own that corroborated what Toad was saying before I said, but I did not just "sheep" him. This sentiment is false and needs to stop.
"Sheeping" becoming synonymous with "agreeing". Sorry, not trying to perpetuate that. It is noted that you pushing Prom was certainly different than Toad doing so.
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, cool. Gj guys.
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow.
I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself...
I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all.
Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town.
It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it.
Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened.
Ok, I acknowledge that logic. However, that doesn't make them 100% townie in my eyes, nor does it make you 100% townie - especially considering how hard you were trying to make sure EVERYONE knows it was your idea.
I know they're not 100% town, neither am I for you guys... I'm using that word assuming everyone knows that when I use it means "pretty much really likely town" and not actually mod confirmed... Mostly because it's shorter saying that.
You guys ever have Jury Duty? Here's some advice: don't, it sucks.
Been doing my best to stay updated.
I'm noticing that geript, you're harping on DrH and VE and their possible motivations for wanting (or not wanting) to be elected into their respective roles. I'd like to point out that Wade Fell was trying INCREDIBLY hard at the end of D1 to get his name into that pool for one of the spots. Generally, keeping elections so close is an anti-town thing to do as it gives scum the leverage they need to get who they want into the right spot. Why are you not also pressuring Wade Fell along with VE and DrH, as he was also apparently motivated for the positions.
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, cool. Gj guys.
On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote: that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow.
I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself...
I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all.
Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town.
It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it.
Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened.
Ok, I acknowledge that logic. However, that doesn't make them 100% townie in my eyes, nor does it make you 100% townie - especially considering how hard you were trying to make sure EVERYONE knows it was your idea.
I know they're not 100% town, neither am I for you guys... I'm using that word assuming everyone knows that when I use it means "pretty much really likely town" and not actually mod confirmed... Mostly because it's shorter saying that.
So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill.
My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec.
On March 01 2013 09:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill.
My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec.
If you want to wifom here's a thought for you: Mafia doublestacked VE. That means we have one kill too much.
Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills.
On March 01 2013 09:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill.
My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec.
If you want to wifom here's a thought for you: Mafia doublestacked VE. That means we have one kill too much.
Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills.
Getting in the car for realsies now
Why do u feel the need to keep telling me u going to the car, or airport or whatever it has been....
Reads to me as over compensating.
On March 01 2013 10:16 randombum wrote: So I'm looking to sheep somebody to victory here, my original case against OO is weakened greatly by his new play since his posting has clearly improved since I pointed it out. Suckler asked me to look at jcarl recently and I did and posted what I thought was suspicious and I still do. Furthermore his few posts after have not helped him very much. I actually liked:
On March 01 2013 07:25 jcarlsoniv wrote: You guys ever have Jury Duty? Here's some advice: don't, it sucks.
Been doing my best to stay updated.
I'm noticing that geript, you're harping on DrH and VE and their possible motivations for wanting (or not wanting) to be elected into their respective roles. I'd like to point out that Wade Fell was trying INCREDIBLY hard at the end of D1 to get his name into that pool for one of the spots. Generally, keeping elections so close is an anti-town thing to do as it gives scum the leverage they need to get who they want into the right spot. Why are you not also pressuring Wade Fell along with VE and DrH, as he was also apparently motivated for the positions.
It starts a with a crappy reason to lurk, but then he actually gets into analysis. That's redeeming, but then.
On March 01 2013 09:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill.
My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec.
If you want to wifom here's a thought for you: Mafia doublestacked VE. That means we have one kill too much.
Oh yeah, I always forget you can double stack kills.
Getting in the car for realsies now
He ends on a reason to lurk. So for now my main lynch target is jcarl.
Not overcompensating, and I'm sorry that my RL time has been busy? I was only extending the courtesy of keeping you guys informed. I also haven't really done it more or less than any of the other players who have been busy.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
I know you're disappointed with my play, and I acknowledge that my activity has been...sporadic (and even that's being generous). C'est la vie. + Show Spoiler +
But while you waste your time tossing your vote on me, I'm going to try to look for someone who's actually scum.
##vote JungleJorge
This case is easy enough started off with his defense and then waffling on the topic of the Prom lynch. I will post them again for easy reference:
On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours.
On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now.
I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch
JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense
On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?
Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent.
'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody!
Promethelax, how do you feel about this post?
conclusion: probably scum, would lynch.
I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town!
Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits.
Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it.
As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch.
First post: he defends Prom, but also says "I'll let you guys figure out why"
~5 hours later, he realizes that all the candidates are going to kill Prom, and he's been caught with his ass hanging out in defense of the man who will ultimately flip red. He switches to all "hey guys, i was kidding, i was testing him." In the same vein, he, ONCE AGAIN, refrains from expanding upon his thoughts on Macho Man.
About 6 hours later, another soft defense of Prome: + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 09:48 JungleJorge wrote: DocH and Wade Fell, you both seem to believe scum Prome wouldn't behave in the way I described, yet you believe Prome is scum. What gives? If you believe it is a null tell and I have reached the correct conclusion, by your own standards, what exactly is the problem here? Wouldn't you be better off taking in the information in regards to the reactions of many players, including the one set to be lynched, and ultimately have a better picture of the situation prior to the lynch so you could make a more informed decision and even after if we end up lynching him? If you believe it produced no meaningful content you can safely ignore it. It's funny how you accuse me of being anti-town when I'm trying to produce information by my own means, yet you both share my conclusion. Also how exactly my withholding information for some amount of time to observe the reactions to my post damages the town in any regard? I've said I'd share the concerns I had with prome's lynch and I did. As it stands right now I believe the best lynch is prome and I'd be foolish to try to persuade town that The Macho Man is a better lynch, if even I don't share that point of view. Yes I do have problems with TMM, but I'll discuss those when the time is appropriate. It's a common mistake by many players to say every single thought that comes to their minds, instead of keeping the focus on what needs to be done. Most of you so far seem to believe I'm some sort of idiot who ought to be dismissed. It's actually a barrier that I'm trying to overcome by making long quality over explanatory posts. I assure you I'm pretty good at this game, you would be surprised to know who you are dealing with. I assure you that if I had my name attached to my posts I would need to right a third as much and would have three times the influence.
The rest of his filter is responding to a bunch of posts in order to defend himself. He mentions a few people he think could be scum (Restraining Order, Myself), and the last we heard from him, he's dead set on Aquanim dying. I would love to hear his point of view at this point.
which was the original reason I disliked you. The lurkyness alone like you said is not damning but what's in the link is far more so. You posted a read early on in the day (turned out wrong which is a slight negative) on vayesh and a minor on vivax, and then you backed off them with almost no explanation. So explain.
Ah yes, thank you. Was about to ask for this, I missed this in the clutter, and I was wondering what you meant in your earlier post saying I backtracked.
On February 28 2013 17:54 randombum wrote: About jcarl. Looking though filter and not seeing it in context just screams scum to me. There's very low % of "useful" posts by him and what's apparent upon filter diving is that his two main posts are contradictory. Main post 1 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Alllllllrighty
VayeshMoru
After a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing):
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light?
when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth.
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light?
when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth.
One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing.
obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax
On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light.
On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote: Talk to me about aqua.
On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent).
On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote: ... Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua?
I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it?
Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why?
My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now.
Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination.
On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote: You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?
That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible.
Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored.
I thought it was transparent.
I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL.
A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid?
If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform.
On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil
On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?
ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times.
Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town.
Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses.
Do you care what I have to say o. The matter?
Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen.
No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town.
Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world.
I am not saying this to agree with Prome.
I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses.
He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)...I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me.
one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying.
However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now.
He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick.
I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die.
@Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day?
I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around).
That basically boiled down to minor case on Viax and a relatively big case on vayesh. However, his next big post is Main post 2 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 10:36 jcarlsoniv wrote: K, gonna try to answer the questions/comments addressed to/about me. If I missed something, let me know. (and I just completely fucked up formatting and lost my whole post, so now I'm sad)
On February 27 2013 07:24 layabout wrote: Wave do you not think it's suspicious that jcarl agrees that prom and vivax are scum when asked but otherwise ignores them or that his scum read was somebody that has adopted a troll-ish posting style?
At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future. Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar. As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol)
On February 27 2013 07:52 Vivax wrote: Carlson I'd like to know your updated opinion on vayesh and why you sounded so sure about Prom not being able to post when you see this.
For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier: + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now.
I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch
JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense
On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?
Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent.
'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody!
Promethelax, how do you feel about this post?
conclusion: probably scum, would lynch.
I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town!
That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized.
On February 27 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit.
Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax.
I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like:
On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax.
Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet.
Bold is mine, Important parts are he has retracted both his reads with minimal explanation. The part with vayesh is especially concerning, his gut read was strong enough to write up a post, but not so strong that he is willing to retract it when it hasn't been scrutinized or mentioned very much.
Those are the two main posts of his and so what I derive the majority of my read which is he looks pretty scummy. If he can explain adequately why he was so quick to change his read I'll look him over again.
I don't have much else to say about it other than what I've already said, but I can try to expand upon it.
My initial gut read on Vayesh was scum, yes. At that point in the day, it was obvious that Prom was being lynched (just had to figure out who would be the one to kill him), so I wanted to try to look elsewhere.
I saw Vayesh's posting and it rubbed me the wrong way, but there was admittedly little to go on at the time. I wanted to try to create pressure, so I made the case on him. As he started posting more and I read more, my gut read faded away, and I noted that. I'm not afraid to be wrong, so I took a shot at it.
As for Vivax, my position on him hasn't really changed. I did find him a bit scummy at the time, and I still do (although somewhat less so at this point). I was dead set on him being scum in our last game too, and I turned out to be wrong. I said it before and I'll say it again, I was apprehensive of my gut feelings on Vivax for that very reason.
@Wade Fell: Your case is reasonable. And I may be compelled to follow you just to see a video of you eating your hat. However, it is still early in the day, and I want to hear from JJ.
On March 01 2013 11:53 randombum wrote: Also, wtf we have a day vig on somebody with no discussion with the town? Is this a chez trait to just go off the walls pew pew style?
Chez goes pew pew off the walls even when he doesn't have a gun ~_~
which was the original reason I disliked you. The lurkyness alone like you said is not damning but what's in the link is far more so. You posted a read early on in the day (turned out wrong which is a slight negative) on vayesh and a minor on vivax, and then you backed off them with almost no explanation. So explain.
Ah yes, thank you. Was about to ask for this, I missed this in the clutter, and I was wondering what you meant in your earlier post saying I backtracked.
On February 28 2013 17:54 randombum wrote: About jcarl. Looking though filter and not seeing it in context just screams scum to me. There's very low % of "useful" posts by him and what's apparent upon filter diving is that his two main posts are contradictory. Main post 1 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Alllllllrighty
VayeshMoru
After a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing):
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light?
when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth.
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.
What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light?
when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth.
One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing.
obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax
On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light.
On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote: Talk to me about aqua.
On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent).
On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote: ... Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua?
I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it?
Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why?
My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now.
Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination.
On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote: You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?
That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible.
Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored.
I thought it was transparent.
I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL.
A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid?
If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform.
On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil
On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?
ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times.
Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town.
Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses.
Do you care what I have to say o. The matter?
Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen.
No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town.
Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world.
I am not saying this to agree with Prome.
I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses.
He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)...I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me.
one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying.
However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now.
He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick.
I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die.
@Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day?
I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around).
That basically boiled down to minor case on Viax and a relatively big case on vayesh. However, his next big post is Main post 2 + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 10:36 jcarlsoniv wrote: K, gonna try to answer the questions/comments addressed to/about me. If I missed something, let me know. (and I just completely fucked up formatting and lost my whole post, so now I'm sad)
On February 27 2013 07:24 layabout wrote: Wave do you not think it's suspicious that jcarl agrees that prom and vivax are scum when asked but otherwise ignores them or that his scum read was somebody that has adopted a troll-ish posting style?
At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future. Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar. As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol)
On February 27 2013 07:52 Vivax wrote: Carlson I'd like to know your updated opinion on vayesh and why you sounded so sure about Prom not being able to post when you see this.
For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier: + Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now.
I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch
JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense
On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?
Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent.
'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody!
Promethelax, how do you feel about this post?
conclusion: probably scum, would lynch.
I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town!
That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized.
On February 27 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit.
Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax.
I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like:
On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote: I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax.
Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet.
Bold is mine, Important parts are he has retracted both his reads with minimal explanation. The part with vayesh is especially concerning, his gut read was strong enough to write up a post, but not so strong that he is willing to retract it when it hasn't been scrutinized or mentioned very much.
Those are the two main posts of his and so what I derive the majority of my read which is he looks pretty scummy. If he can explain adequately why he was so quick to change his read I'll look him over again.
I don't have much else to say about it other than what I've already said, but I can try to expand upon it.
My initial gut read on Vayesh was scum, yes. At that point in the day, it was obvious that Prom was being lynched (just had to figure out who would be the one to kill him), so I wanted to try to look elsewhere.
I saw Vayesh's posting and it rubbed me the wrong way, but there was admittedly little to go on at the time. I wanted to try to create pressure, so I made the case on him. As he started posting more and I read more, my gut read faded away, and I noted that. I'm not afraid to be wrong, so I took a shot at it.
As for Vivax, my position on him hasn't really changed. I did find him a bit scummy at the time, and I still do (although somewhat less so at this point). I was dead set on him being scum in our last game too, and I turned out to be wrong. I said it before and I'll say it again, I was apprehensive of my gut feelings on Vivax for that very reason.
@Wade Fell: Your case is reasonable. And I may be compelled to follow you just to see a video of you eating your hat. However, it is still early in the day, and I want to hear from JJ.
That's the sort of reasoning that I really dislike and can see coming from a mafia standpoint. I'm just going to throw out a gut read and if it builds steam I'll follow though if not I'll just take it back with no more explanation than it was a gut read. There's no analysis in that, it's throwing out a name and seeing what happens.
You may dislike the reasoning, but you'll have to get over it.
It's not like anyone really discredited me. If Vayesh had given me more reason (through more posting) to think he was scum, I would have pressed the matter. However, I saw that I was wrong after he started posting more, and I retracted my gut read. Nothing more can really be said about it.
Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM
If Chezinu gets shot by a second dayvig and isn't scum then we have confirmed the other dayvig as scum. If Chezinu is the town dayvig, the mafia dayvig will never claim and can never use his KP and he'll be confirmed town in my eyes. Too big a risk to take as scum, since if he were the scum dayvig he would have the foresight to see that the town dayvig would just shoot him. Does that make sense? If he is the town dayvig he can do this to confirm his role and force the mafia dayvig into not using his shot because it would reveal scum.
Are we never going to talk about toadesstern today
Why are you necessarily making the assumption that there is 1 town dayvig and 1 scum dayvig?
Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM
excellent observatoin
I am really surprised Dr.h was on the ball to try and clear Chezinu asap... was very well executed & clear visioned
im also surprsied Dr.H didnt post that reasoning before the kill went up....as it was generic and could have been issued at any point.
I came home from 7-11 and it had already happened. I am not trying to clear Chezinu. I am asking that we withhold further discussion and wait for a countershot or counterclaim because then we have a 50/50 shot of killing scum and will at the worst case scenario have a 1:1 trade which is beneficial to town. but look at it this way, pro's and con's for that play from both sides:
Scum Dayvig Pros: 1. Confirms you are some form of dayvig 2. Derails productive discussion Cons: 1. You get flak for shooting a townie 2. You are likely to get counterclaimed and confirmed as scum 3. If you are countershot, you die and the distraction will be pointless
Town Dayvig pros: 1. Confirm your role 2. Mafia Dayvig can't act because it would out him Cons: 1. You might kill a townie
I think a scumdayvig also would be more likely to shoot his accuser than the target of his analysis.
That being said, I think it makes more sense as a town play. If I were a Dayvig I would have shot Toadesstern an hour ago.
Again, why are you ruling out the possibility that there could be 2 town dayvigs?
Unless I missed something in the rules, that IS a possibility, it is not?
Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM
excellent observatoin
I am really surprised Dr.h was on the ball to try and clear Chezinu asap... was very well executed & clear visioned
im also surprsied Dr.H didnt post that reasoning before the kill went up....as it was generic and could have been issued at any point.
I came home from 7-11 and it had already happened. I am not trying to clear Chezinu. I am asking that we withhold further discussion and wait for a countershot or counterclaim because then we have a 50/50 shot of killing scum and will at the worst case scenario have a 1:1 trade which is beneficial to town. but look at it this way, pro's and con's for that play from both sides:
Scum Dayvig Pros: 1. Confirms you are some form of dayvig 2. Derails productive discussion Cons: 1. You get flak for shooting a townie 2. You are likely to get counterclaimed and confirmed as scum 3. If you are countershot, you die and the distraction will be pointless
Town Dayvig pros: 1. Confirm your role 2. Mafia Dayvig can't act because it would out him Cons: 1. You might kill a townie
I think a scumdayvig also would be more likely to shoot his accuser than the target of his analysis.
That being said, I think it makes more sense as a town play. If I were a Dayvig I would have shot Toadesstern an hour ago.
Again, why are you ruling out the possibility that there could be 2 town dayvigs?
Unless I missed something in the rules, that IS a possibility, it is not?
Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM
If Chezinu gets shot by a second dayvig and isn't scum then we have confirmed the other dayvig as scum. If Chezinu is the town dayvig, the mafia dayvig will never claim and can never use his KP and he'll be confirmed town in my eyes. Too big a risk to take as scum, since if he were the scum dayvig he would have the foresight to see that the town dayvig would just shoot him. Does that make sense? If he is the town dayvig he can do this to confirm his role and force the mafia dayvig into not using his shot because it would reveal scum.
Are we never going to talk about toadesstern today
Why are you necessarily making the assumption that there is 1 town dayvig and 1 scum dayvig?
Why couldn't there be 2 town dayvig?
Quite possible. But because scum has no prior knowledge of the setup I don't think they would use this shot in response to early Day 2 pressure because fear of counterclaim.
If there is no other claim, I'm inclined to let Chezinu live for now but for balance reasons I think scum having 1 dayvig and town having none is incredibly unlikely. It is probably either 2 in favor of town or 1:1. Either way it would be a more productive way of dealing with Chezinu right now.
I'm not sure I can be accused of defending him when I'm asking for him to be shot.
Ok...I think I'm following.
I'm not disagreeing with ridding of Chez. What I'm disagreeing with is the thought process that if Chez flips green, that automatically makes grush red.
It makes him look worse, sure. But it is just as likely that grush could be green and trying to jump on the opportunity to rid of Chez thinking he's scum.
Hypothetical: Wouldn't a scum dayvig know that Chez is green, and shooting him would reveal that? This makes it seem, in my mind at least, that grush is town just knowing that he wouldn't out himself as a vig if he were scum.
Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM
If Chezinu gets shot by a second dayvig and isn't scum then we have confirmed the other dayvig as scum. If Chezinu is the town dayvig, the mafia dayvig will never claim and can never use his KP and he'll be confirmed town in my eyes. Too big a risk to take as scum, since if he were the scum dayvig he would have the foresight to see that the town dayvig would just shoot him. Does that make sense? If he is the town dayvig he can do this to confirm his role and force the mafia dayvig into not using his shot because it would reveal scum.
Are we never going to talk about toadesstern today
Why are you necessarily making the assumption that there is 1 town dayvig and 1 scum dayvig?
Why couldn't there be 2 town dayvig?
Quite possible. But because scum has no prior knowledge of the setup I don't think they would use this shot in response to early Day 2 pressure because fear of counterclaim.
If there is no other claim, I'm inclined to let Chezinu live for now but for balance reasons I think scum having 1 dayvig and town having none is incredibly unlikely. It is probably either 2 in favor of town or 1:1. Either way it would be a more productive way of dealing with Chezinu right now.
I'm not sure I can be accused of defending him when I'm asking for him to be shot.
Ok...I think I'm following.
I'm not disagreeing with ridding of Chez. What I'm disagreeing with is the thought process that if Chez flips green, that automatically makes grush red.
It makes him look worse, sure. But it is just as likely that grush could be green and trying to jump on the opportunity to rid of Chez thinking he's scum.
Hypothetical: Wouldn't a scum dayvig know that Chez is green, and shooting him would reveal that? This makes it seem, in my mind at least, that grush is town just knowing that he wouldn't out himself as a vig if he were scum.
On March 01 2013 13:15 MilkSuckler wrote: Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling
Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote
So i am not sure what you are trying to prove.
The more pressure the better. If Toadesstern is town he should be able to clearly demonstrate his logic.
The main issue is that he used the entirety of Day 1 to credit himself for the Prom lynch and cast doubt on everyone else who agreed with him.
Why would any townie do this? I have played with Toadesstern and he isn't that arrogant. Even Ace isn't that arrogant.
I pushed Prom immediately after going through his filter. I then used the rest of the day to pressure other players (to try and get an idea of the rest of the scumteam), improve town discussion, clarify my own thinking, i.e. goals and behaviors any town player should strive to achieve. Although I'm not perfect, I made an honest effort to remain productive. "Oh yeah I nailed scum in 2 hours bitch lol everyone on skype says I'm town" is the opposite of productive and it comes across as an effort to avoid talking about anything else.
If you can catch scum that brilliantly in 2 hours surely you can contribute something else by the end of the day. Give me a break, there's no town intentions in that whole filter.
This is the sentiment I agree with most.
Toad, if you're so super good at scumhunting, why don't you pretend to be useful again?
On March 01 2013 21:20 Wade Fell wrote: You know what, I get it if you disagree with my Chez case or think there's a problem with it, but could someone at least point it out? Chez is GUILTY AS SIN and there's like nothing on the table right now that even remotely countermands my case that Chez is scum and we need to lynch him-- yet people are just voting other dudes. Like, is there a _reason_ nobody wants to lynch Chez right now?
I mean yeah he claimed dayvig... but shouldn't that be even MORE reason to lynch him? It's not alignment-indicative and he threw away his shot when he could have shot someone much scummier. The Grush ##shoot thing was a red herring. Come on, guys, he's throwing mud in the water and sand in the air and we're getting all confused when we should be _focused_ on killing chez.
STOP BEING CONFUSED EXPLAIN WHY U NO VOTE CHEZ
my case is SO GOOD. At least respond
The biggest thing for me against your case now is certainly the fact that Chez dayvigged, but then wasn't counter claimed.
How likely do you think it is that scum has a dayvig but town doesn't? I think it's probably a rare occurrence, but I also don't know anything about what mods do to balance a game.
In many of the N1 death posts, people listed JungleJorge as someone they thought was scummy. Why isn't anyone except me pursuing this?
On March 01 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote: fuck you flood control i got more to say
Anyone not voting for toad has to explain to me how him not caring about this lynch at all is not the scummiest thing ever committed.
I'm not afk. I said I'm going to ignore everything that is said about me that is impossible to talk about, like all the bullshit about how I am supposed to be mafia bussing prom, because there's no way to defend or say anything against that kind of stuff because you're literally saying "toad looks too townish to be town, got to be a mafialploy".
I'm still here reading and answering stuff that is worth being answered. Just like this one because you don't seem to understand what I said, or at least intended to say.
Ok, here, instead of asking a question directly about you:
On March 01 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote: fuck you flood control i got more to say
Anyone not voting for toad has to explain to me how him not caring about this lynch at all is not the scummiest thing ever committed.
I'm not afk. I said I'm going to ignore everything that is said about me that is impossible to talk about, like all the bullshit about how I am supposed to be mafia bussing prom, because there's no way to defend or say anything against that kind of stuff because you're literally saying "toad looks too townish to be town, got to be a mafialploy".
I'm still here reading and answering stuff that is worth being answered. Just like this one because you don't seem to understand what I said, or at least intended to say.
Ok, here, instead of asking a question directly about you:
Could you possibly explain why macho is scum?
whats stopping you from chiming in with your own thoughts?
I'm sorry for asking him a question?
Before this, I was pretty null on you (macho), so I wanted to know Toad's thoughts. I'm bad at reading people on meta, and the only experience I've had with you was Themed game, where you seemed fairly scummy to me, but ended up town.
I don't understand why you're lashing out so hard.
I know you're dead set on lynching toad right now. But do you have any opinions on JJ's content (or lack thereof)?
At some point I think you said you may have been wrong about him. However, many people N1 listed him as potential scum, but no one has followed up on him.
On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu
Speak of the devil...
The thing is, there wasn't any huge pressure on chez when he shot. He had suspicion cast on him, but it's not like he was about to die when he shot milkman.
Also, nobody counter claimed him. I agree with DrH that it's probably unlikely that scum has a dayvig and town does not.
I can't understand being in Chez's position and firing if he were scum.
On March 02 2013 03:01 JungleJorge wrote: His recent posting has shaken my read a bit. I still find the interactions between him and prom very weird, but it's mostly on prom's part. That post I quoted earlier is still a very huge red flag for me, but we can discuss him later. Now we have sure scum to kill.
Really? Cuz I'm certainly still not convinced that Chez is red blooded.
On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu
Speak of the devil...
The thing is, there wasn't any huge pressure on chez when he shot. He had suspicion cast on him, but it's not like he was about to die when he shot milkman.
Also, nobody counter claimed him. I agree with DrH that it's probably unlikely that scum has a dayvig and town does not.
I can't understand being in Chez's position and firing if he were scum.
That's the dumbest assumption I've read. Why on earth it's unlikely that only scum has a dayvig? And Chezinu had no pressure on him? If you read the thread prior to the shot you'll see plenty of people arguing for a chez lynch.
Arguing for a lynch on chez is FAR different than him being on the lynch block. People have made arguments for me being scum, but I was never really pressured either because I never felt like I was about to die.
Chez isn't some newbie with cold-feet. I'd bet money that he didn't fire because he was shaking in his boots, scared of being lynched.
On March 02 2013 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote: EBWOP: doesnt' mean his shot made sense from a town POV. Layabout's current and earlier arguments summarize that.
But it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective either.
If chez was scum, he knows milkman is town, and that shooting him would raise suspicion. Shooting first as a scum day vig is risky because of counter claiming (which no one did).
Also, doesn't scum like 3rd party roles? They make more confusion for town, and have higher chances of hitting town. So if chez thought milkman was bartender, wouldn't that be something a scum chez would want to keep around?
On March 02 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I meant to post this earlier since people were asking, but I suppose now is an appropriate time as well, make of it what you will.
I am really shocked at the amount of emotional investment people seem to put into mafia. This was one of the main reasons I assumed both VE and Toad couldn't both be town since they were constantly at each other's throats and VE was getting so unbelievably pissed off...I basically assumed that it was all some sort of scum charade since it's just forum posting.
Toad's emotional martrydom, resorting to (almost?) cheating to clear his name and flip really proved me wrong...I really am new to the mafia world.
That's like saying we don't get emotionally invested in LoL
Also, I realize my defense is basically "it doesn't make sense", but I'm just not convinced.
On March 02 2013 08:38 Chezinu wrote: So, when I get pardoned we need to make sure to have a second suspect ready to get lynched. Ignore the doctor. He is going to use his mafia powers to make you think that I am mafia. Then he will lynch another townie. Next day lynch me. Until finally you guys decide to lynch him. Trust in Wade guys, except for his hatred for me getting him lynch cause he broke the Chezinu rule. Btw, thanks for the rule!
I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.
I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).
Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.
Lets chat about this a bit more Jcarl.
I noticed in your filter the prime reason for defending Chez, is you can't see reason for him to have fired (primarily because you dont think he would have been scared of Wade Fells case/push to rush the shot)
This is all WIFOM though? And in my opinion the (valid) case on Chez was before the shot was fired anyways, the case is built on meta, and activity in game.
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: Morning gents.
I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.
I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).
Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.
##unvote ##vote Geript
hellow scum #3
Eh, cute, but sorry to disappoint you. BH scumhunter extraordinaire having some accuracy issues this game.
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: Morning gents.
I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.
I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).
Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.
##unvote ##vote Geript
hellow scum #3
Eh, cute, but sorry to disappoint you. BH scumhunter extraordinaire having some accuracy issues this game.
I was right about prom, I'm about to be proven right about Chez, and I will be highly correct about all the scum left in the game.
Quiver, scum! quiver in fear! quiver like arrows!
In that case, I'm looking forward to you being sorely disappointed.
On March 03 2013 08:33 Wade Fell wrote: I don't care if someone else masoned Chezinu, what matters is that chezinu is scum. Someone else's poor choice of mason partner is not my problem.
My god, a big part of me really wants to be right about Chez just so you can shut your friggin mouth
On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight
I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed.
Well, how do you think you are perceived.. now that your best bud Chez was split red?
(this is written antagonistically intentionally)
While I'm sad that my read on Chez was wrong, I'm more than happy that we've gotten 2 scum in a row by D2 - something I'm not sure I've ever personally seen.
@ObviousOne:
seems to be upset that we lynched scum
Could you please show me where you are perceiving that I seem unhappy that we lynched scum?
On March 03 2013 13:58 grush57 wrote: Surely atleast some scum tried to switch to Geript. I doubt scum would get in the position for both candidates to be scum.
Geript: I appreciate that you are starting to contribute (or at least trying to). As Wade said, tossing out your town reads isn't really all that helpful. I'm curious to see what happens with Hassy. I'm assuming he'll be modkilled with the day post, so we may find our answers to his alignment at that point.
On March 03 2013 20:30 geript wrote: No, I thought he was town while you were attacking him. Call it starsenses, call it whatever you want. In rereading, and specifically thinking that the dude is disengaged from the game. Nothing particularly scummy about not wanting to play but feeling obligated to.
But it's whatever man, I think we're all agreed that I'm getting lynched tomorrow so you really shouldn't have to worry about it; like we all know that no matter what I flip, everyone's going to be saying "no reason to read him, dude's terrible."
If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear.
Um...what? Care to explain?
I have a gymnastics meet today, so I'll be unavailable the majority of the day.
On March 03 2013 23:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: Geript: I appreciate that you are starting to contribute (or at least trying to). As Wade said, tossing out your town reads isn't really all that helpful. I'm curious to see what happens with Hassy. I'm assuming he'll be modkilled with the day post, so we may find our answers to his alignment at that point.
On March 03 2013 20:36 Aquanim wrote:
On March 03 2013 20:30 geript wrote: No, I thought he was town while you were attacking him. Call it starsenses, call it whatever you want. In rereading, and specifically thinking that the dude is disengaged from the game. Nothing particularly scummy about not wanting to play but feeling obligated to.
Yeah I can sympathise with that.
But it's whatever man, I think we're all agreed that I'm getting lynched tomorrow so you really shouldn't have to worry about it; like we all know that no matter what I flip, everyone's going to be saying "no reason to read him, dude's terrible."
If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear.
Um...what? Care to explain?
I have a gymnastics meet today, so I'll be unavailable the majority of the day.
And every day, lurker scum. Oh boy, I'm so excited for the prospect of listening to another day of geript's retarded reads and tunneling. Oh well you guys are welcome to follow up on his reads if you want, but I'm basically ignoring everything that's come out of his mouth at this point.
Need I remind you that you were the one who pushed me into joining this game?
Forgive me, but I'm getting pretty sick of you constantly harping on my activity levels despite you knowing FULL well what my schedule is.
Milksuckler: thank you for saying what I've wanted to say. It means more coming out of someone else's mouth.
To reiterate, why would I (as scum) defend Chez so hard when he was all but dead? I truly thought he would flip green, and I was (obviously) wrong.
But if it will ease everyone's minds, by all means, kill me tomorrow. It's not like we don't have people to spare. My death should be fun AND informative!
On March 05 2013 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because when scum has its back against the wall, coming up on a second lynch in a row they'll try anything I'd think.
I remember a game when I asked scum to bus me cause I was gonna die anyway and they just kept defending me anything. WIFOM.
And I mean, I get that. But yeah, it's super WIFOM.
On March 05 2013 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I am in no danger.
You forgot to add (yet) at the end
Well it won't be for a while in any case. I'm not sure exactly what kind of support a Geript-led campaign is going to pick up considering he's written himself off; knowing what I know I have no reason to trust his reads nor should anyone else and I have made cases explaining as such. Hell I'm not even worried about NK possibility because not only am I not a high-priority target (since I'm not as useful as the vets have been) but thanks to yours and Geript's suspicion I bet scum will assume you guys'll lynch me at some point and leave my death up to town. If I DO die, it wouldn't matter either because the game right now is heavily in town's favour and it's gonna take a lot more than one mislynch to turn the tide. Worst case scenario, you flip me D4 and Soniv gets implicated. Best case, I prove my innocence to the powers that be and Soniv (or Aquanim? Still want Soniv) dies. Win-win for me.
On March 06 2013 10:03 WaveofShadow wrote: My stance right now is since we (probably) don't have any vig bullets left we need to start eliminating the rest of the lurkers, or at the very least get them to speak the fuck up. It is way too easy for the final two (plus 3rd party?) to hide. Jcarlsoniv grush glurio randombum These are the worst 4 offenders imo. I include Glurio even though I believe him to be town based on meta.
iamp and JJ are toeing the line right now; have contributed more lately and been slightly more useful, especially JJ. OO I consider to be lurking since he didn't do anything for almost 3 days. (Although his de-lurk was pretty decent.)
That is 7 players here with not a great amount of activity this game.VERY easy for one or both scum to be hiding here since none of them (aside from iamp and maybe OO) have been under any amount of real pressure at all or done a great deal of contributing.
I am inclined to agree. Though it would be AWESOME if Dr.H or WF was scum.. i find it unlikely given the general apathy of scum play so far.. suggest they were defeated from the start.
I am inclined to consider one of the below three should be tomorrows lynch Randombum; Aquanim; TheMachoMan
I liked randombum earlier, but, yes, recently he has been non-existent.
Actually I would vote for him now if I could.
I'm curious.
You say you agree, and yet you don't agree with WoS's opinion that I'm top scum. In fact, you even defended me during the day cycle.
May I ask why you don't hate me like everyone else does?
On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things.
1. Scum won't waste a shot on me with 1 KP assuming I'm a veteran or there could be another doc in the game 2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4.
jcarlsoniv, why would you believe Chezinu is town and JungleJorge is somehow a scumslipper? You're one of only three people to not vote Chez yesterday including myself and geript (who voted for himself). Do you still believe that Vivax and JungleJorge hatched a plan together? Would you suggest they are the two remaining scum?
If anyone else considers that to be the case, note that Prom FoS'd JJ before he was lynched and Vivax FoS'd JJ as well in his largest post.
I don't remember saying that I think Vivax and JJ hatched a plan together?
I thought Chez would flip town because I honestly thought he would be a better player than that. I was mistaken.
I began leaning town on JJ because of his RB claim, but after last night's shenanigans (or lack thereof - still speculating on whether or not scum sent in their actions), who the hell knows?
I could certainly see Vivax being SK, and if he is, it means he'll be shooting someone else tonight.
On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things.
1. Scum won't waste a shot on me with 1 KP assuming I'm a veteran or there could be another doc in the game 2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4.
jcarlsoniv, why would you believe Chezinu is town and JungleJorge is somehow a scumslipper? You're one of only three people to not vote Chez yesterday including myself and geript (who voted for himself). Do you still believe that Vivax and JungleJorge hatched a plan together? Would you suggest they are the two remaining scum?
If anyone else considers that to be the case, note that Prom FoS'd JJ before he was lynched and Vivax FoS'd JJ as well in his largest post.
I don't remember saying that I think Vivax and JJ hatched a plan together?
I thought Chez would flip town because I honestly thought he would be a better player than that. I was mistaken.
I began leaning town on JJ because of his RB claim, but after last night's shenanigans (or lack thereof - still speculating on whether or not scum sent in their actions), who the hell knows?
I could certainly see Vivax being SK, and if he is, it means he'll be shooting someone else tonight.
he has to shoot so his claim makes very little sense from an sk perspective he is extremely likely to be town.
what do you think of glurio?
Pretty much...this is why I think Vivax is probably town. We'll find out tonight with # of shots anyway. Unless of course there is no SK and Vivax as mafia shot RO to throw us off...but that strikes me as being really really dumb.
So Soniv, if you plan on sticking around for more than 5 minutes, who are your scumreads right now and why?
Not quite sure at the moment. I was fairly sure that either geript or hassy would flip scum.
I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list:
On March 06 2013 13:35 MilkSuckler wrote: For filter
On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:
On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote: Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill? I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened.
I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker.
Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes?
n revised thoughts on glue-man
@ WoS
I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it.
Whats that meant to mean?
I am not even asking you something to do... you suggested it upon yourself
On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned. I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure.
The filter is not exactly a big one to digest.... so stop being a bitch and complaining
Ooooo Mocsta angwy. I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all.
DrH himself (the one you've been so keen to buddy up to most of the thread) said earlier this game:
Someone who says they are going to do something and never does it is probably scum (I may be paraphrasing).
On March 07 2013 13:56 TestSubject893 wrote: I'm heading to bed. Jcarl's apparent indifference to randombum's case against him is enough for me to want to put my vote on him now instead of when I wake up.
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I'm indifferent because it's a mislynch. I'm not going to flail around like geript did.
On March 07 2013 13:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh look randombum, you're starting to think like a townie! A nice change of pace.
@Aquanim: What are your opinions of randombum's case on me?
I'd prefer to hear what you have to say about it first.
No, that's not how it works. I want to know what you think of his CASE. That's all the information you should need to have an opinion about it. On the other hand, what you say could very well contribute to what I have to say.
On March 07 2013 12:33 randombum wrote: I don't think glurio is scum. Or at least I don't think he's scummier than a lot of people here. I've left this alone for a while because there's been a clear consensus on who to lynch and I didn't want to divert the thread, but I think it's time we lynched jcarl. He's been riding as scummy looking in the back of a lot of people's mind, but nobody has come out super strongly against him. His filter is short enough that everybody can go read it right now. Here are the things out of his filter that I would like you to notice and reach the same conclusion as me. That he is scum.
Utter lack of commitment to reads. I've pointed this out before but, starts with a case on vayesh/vivax and drops them with minimal explanation. He then tries to push JJ because everybody thought JJ looked scummy, but now that JJ looks good his response is: + Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2013 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I survive to Day 4 it means one of two things.
1. Scum won't waste a shot on me with 1 KP assuming I'm a veteran or there could be another doc in the game 2. Scum are intentionally avoiding shooting "big name vets" (I hate saying that) to mask that they are led by one. - This is a plan I've personally employed as scum, to intentionally hit lurkers/less experienced players to push suspicion onto different vets around Day 3-4.
jcarlsoniv, why would you believe Chezinu is town and JungleJorge is somehow a scumslipper? You're one of only three people to not vote Chez yesterday including myself and geript (who voted for himself). Do you still believe that Vivax and JungleJorge hatched a plan together? Would you suggest they are the two remaining scum?
If anyone else considers that to be the case, note that Prom FoS'd JJ before he was lynched and Vivax FoS'd JJ as well in his largest post.
I don't remember saying that I think Vivax and JJ hatched a plan together?
I thought Chez would flip town because I honestly thought he would be a better player than that. I was mistaken.
I began leaning town on JJ because of his RB claim, but after last night's shenanigans (or lack thereof - still speculating on whether or not scum sent in their actions), who the hell knows?
I could certainly see Vivax being SK, and if he is, it means he'll be shooting someone else tonight.
he has to shoot so his claim makes very little sense from an sk perspective he is extremely likely to be town.
what do you think of glurio?
Pretty much...this is why I think Vivax is probably town. We'll find out tonight with # of shots anyway. Unless of course there is no SK and Vivax as mafia shot RO to throw us off...but that strikes me as being really really dumb.
So Soniv, if you plan on sticking around for more than 5 minutes, who are your scumreads right now and why?
Not quite sure at the moment. I was fairly sure that either geript or hassy would flip scum.
I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list:
WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man
Need to relook though.
He throws down 5 names in a game of 15 remaining players. One of whom has since flipped town. More importantly he doesn't say why. He says he will relook, but it's been over a day since he claimed he would re-look and hasn't come back with anything. Maybe because everybody keeps ignoring me and goes after people not named jcarl. It's even more damning because literally 2 posts after he puts
On March 06 2013 13:35 MilkSuckler wrote: For filter
On March 06 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
On March 06 2013 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 09:15 Vivax wrote:
On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote: Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill? I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened.
I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker.
Uh...didn't you ask him yourself if he claimed RO kill and he said yes?
n revised thoughts on glue-man
@ WoS
I'll tell you what. I'll do it if I know someone other than you is going to read it.
Whats that meant to mean?
I am not even asking you something to do... you suggested it upon yourself
On March 06 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright this makes me want to have another go at glurio's filter, though even if I find something that changes my mind from my earlier town stance I can't see myself wanting to lynch him ahead of the other 3 I mentioned. I remember feeling very strongly early that he was town; but I'll check to be sure.
The filter is not exactly a big one to digest.... so stop being a bitch and complaining
Ooooo Mocsta angwy. I'm serious though. Why should I keep feeding information that only you are going to use? Are you the town in its entirety? How are you going to be using the information I give you in the form of my read on Glurio? You're right I did suggest that I was going to do it; but I changed my mind. I don't find any compelling reason to do it right now. I'm not about to die anytime soon, after all.
DrH himself (the one you've been so keen to buddy up to most of the thread) said earlier this game:
Someone who says they are going to do something and never does it is probably scum (I may be paraphrasing).
But he hasn't come back to do what he said he would do.
Hard defense of chezniu. It's self evident in his filter, but he clearly defended chezniu and hard. He claims hard defending scum is a town tell because only an idiot mafia wouldn't bus his teammate when chez was clearly next to be lynched. But chez's lynch wasn't truly set in stone. If you look at the final vote-counts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400335¤tpage=6#105
Chez only had 13 votes. And RO (known scum) could switch at any time. Furthermore if they somehow manage to cause a no-lynch then they get an extra night kill. If they are super lucky they somehow get people to forget chez and lynch geript the next day giving them another night with 2 kills.
Point being, he tried really hard to save his scum mate, but the plan backfired so he goes: "Oh, that's not a scum tell its actually a town tell to try to push a lynch off a mafia and into a townie." I don't buy it.
On March 07 2013 02:06 jcarlsoniv wrote: Hey Wade, you were wrong about geript, and hassy also flipped town. Who are you gonna tunnel next, oh "scumhunter extraordinare"?
He is now trying to make Wade look bad, when he has been willing to sheep him and stated that he felt wades reads were correct?
Lack of commitment to reads
As has been complained about by several people (yourself included), the game is difficult and slow when we decide who is being lynched 8 hours into the day. Because of this, I made an attempt to be proactive and look for the next targets. I made cases on Vivax and Vayesh, yes.
Without being attacked on my cases or pressured with them, I decided I was wrong of my own accord. I have no problem admitting I was mistaken. This is very similar to my pressure on JJ. I believe I was one of the first to think JJ could be scum. Following further development (him claiming jailer, etc.), I decided, like many other people that I was wrong.
WoS asked me who I thought was scum. I posted a potential list. Yes, I said I need to relook. I have been, and I haven't come up with a conclusion as of yet.
Defense of Chezinu
I am not going to continue to defend my actions in this regard. I have stated my position on this repeatedly, and I have nothing else to say about it. You've looked through my filter, so I know you've seen what I have to say about it.
Contradictory
I wouldn't really call it contradictory. I voted geript early in the day (sheeping WF), like many other people. As he continued to bitch and moan throughout the day, it led me to believe more and more that he was scum. People had also been making cases against hassy, and his lack of presence didn't help him in any regard.
Wade had been boasting hard core about how he was dominating scum team. That last post was more of a jab at him and his perfect record.
Why would I, were I scum, try to shed doubt upon Wade right before he was killed?
Aqua, you've been disgustingly non-committal the entire game.
On March 07 2013 14:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: Aqua, you've been disgustingly non-committal the entire game.
Mate, you're not an unlikely lynch today. I had no intention of committing to anything until I saw your response. Telling you where I thought the holes were in randombum's case, allowing you to exploit them to defend yourself without having to see them yourself, would have been a waste of everybody's time.
I'm not talking about this case in particular. I'm talking about the entire game. Your filter has next to 0 commitment.
On March 07 2013 00:19 glurio wrote: Because you are wrong, again.
I'd like to lynch either jcarlsoninv or grush tonight.
On March 03 2013 10:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight
I strongly urge you to reconsider sending your little minions after me. Me dying would be a poor fate indeed.
On March 05 2013 07:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: Milksuckler: thank you for saying what I've wanted to say. It means more coming out of someone else's mouth.
To reiterate, why would I (as scum) defend Chez so hard when he was all but dead? I truly thought he would flip green, and I was (obviously) wrong.
But if it will ease everyone's minds, by all means, kill me tomorrow. It's not like we don't have people to spare. My death should be fun AND informative!
This guy might be the bartender.
Grush because he did nothing this game. Nothing.
So i want to lynch jcarlsoniv today.
##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I missed this the first time around, so I want to nip it in the butt now before people continue to speculate.
The first post I made, which people saw as me threatening DrH:
I haven't been that useful this game. So, in an attempt to present some value, I was soft claiming a blue role. "My dying would be a poor fate indeed" was meant to grab scum attention. I was hoping to draw fire from them to potentially spare someone who actually did have a blue role.
The 2nd post, which made people think I'm bartender:
I was actually just getting bored this day, and wanted to straight up challenge WF. He listed me under candidates he wanted to kill (me and geript on that list), and I wanted him to see I wasn't scum. Admittedly, it had the opposite affect that I intended.
@JJ:
I actually really like this case on Vivax. I've been avoiding him because (as I've mentioned in the past) I keep seeming to butt heads with him and it's not doing anything to help me read him. This is something I can actually get behind. I want to see his response first though.
On March 07 2013 21:40 JungleJorge wrote: I see no other possibility other than vivax being scum. Let's take a look at the coincidences that happened so far. 1) Mafia somehow thinks it's a good idea to RB vivax night 1. He posted he was shooting hassy near the deadline. Even if mafia somehow saw that Hassy was town. RB makes no sense. NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY ON EARTH WOULD MAFIA RB VIVAX N1. 2) Mafia shot VE who wanted to kill vivax. And Vayesh who wanted to kill chez.
1) It actually makes sense since glurio had reason to be afraid by me implying I would see his flip soon. I said I would shoot Hassy in the last minute. There was no time for scum to change targets.
2) VE was the mayor and hit scum with Prom D1, mafia can use NK's for many purposes, but taking strong townies out is always one of the best. You being selective about VE wanting to kill me is proof of your bad play. Why don't you mention those who Wade wanted to kill last if you think that it's a valid way to say someone is scum?
3 to infinity and beyond) The rest doesn't matter and I'm too lazy to answer all your shit, it's a waste of time we have to actually find scum.
I'm confirmed town. If I was scum saying to be vig like you say, I would have simply claimed a RB last night and shot a strong townie instead. I shot scum and your argument is invalid, so retire from mafia yourself kthxbai.
For those who want to lynch scum:
##Vote jcarlsoniv
Must be scum at this point. Considering MilkSuckler's latest play and the fact that glurio and jcarlson seem to exclude each other as scum unless they hard bussed each other early we lynch jcarl. If jcarl flips red, which seems very likely, we should consider lynching MilkSuckler tomorrow.
And what happens when I flip town?
3 to infinity and beyond) The rest doesn't matter and I'm too lazy to answer all your shit, it's a waste of time we have to actually find scum.
What the hell Vivax? Take the time to actually address a case on you.
Everyone is so eager to jump onto this bandwagon on me. I'm going to laugh so hard when you guys are sitting there with green blood on your hands.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
On March 02 2013 04:45 Chezinu wrote: 2.grush57 he is a star 3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game 6. glurio - null 7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts 8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm 9. The Macho Man 10. Chaos Bear - not present 11. randombum He understands important matters 12. WaveofShadow 15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy 16. Wade Fell - liked him... then found out he was BH whom I used the Chez rule on in the past... Why he hates me 17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went 18. geript 19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone 20. JungleJorge 21. Hassybaby - I cried mored 22. Restraining Order 24. layabout 25. aquanim similar thoughts like me
Alright, gtg... might be back, we'll see
Did someone mention this already? Pretty sure someone from that list of greens is actually scum. Didn't we at some point say we lynch geript and if he flips town we lynch aqua? If we don't lynch jcarlsoniv today we should either lynch grush or aqua. Probably grush because he's useless. I'll try to do more analysis later tonight, if i got internet at work that is.
Um...that's not something you can use to justify voting someone, seeing as you, yourself, have been rather useless.
@Macho Man: I wasn't intentionally ignoring glurio. There were several cases created in a fairly short time span (mine included. I had forgotten about his, but wanted to see his response before I made note of it. He lookin da' scummy bro.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
First off, calm your tits.
I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up.
I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:05 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 13:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gotten, and I can't believe we're all still listening to Geript, who has now claimed he knows someone IRL (or from another forum mafia?) just from reading his posts.
I agree with randombum. (Except for today's lynch, I can honestly say now I don't even care if Geript is scum or not anymore. He is destroying the thread.)
Just so you dont feel ignored
+1
Who do you want to discuss (Aside from jcarl)
See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
First off, calm your tits.
I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up.
I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you.
Die, scum, die.
I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM!
Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet......
I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.)
Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game.
One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one?
The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him.
As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying.
On March 07 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv
I've got a couple hours or so of class right now but I'll be back. MS and OO I'm not surprised at but DrH voting me without even posting in the thread about it? Shame on you. In any case I'm not getting lynched today but I'll address your worries about myself in due time; as it stands right now jcarl is so scummy I could swear he just lifted off a sewer cover and climbed up out of the sewer dripping in scum.
I'm glad my case actually did something for once though.
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
Look back, buddy. I put my vote on you earlier in the game, too, it just wasn't going through. Isn't it funny how the most activity you've shown all game is when other people have jumped up to join my cause though and you're in actual danger of being lynched?
On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote: Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
On March 01 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: jcarlsoniv Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
On March 04 2013 14:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:11 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 04 2013 14:08 WaveofShadow wrote: [quote] See that's my problem. If I believe that Geript and jcarl are the last two scum left (and I do) what does that leave? Attempting to find 3rd party?
K..
so for you, Geript is sealed.. fine.
jcarl, want to provide some pointers of behavior that makes him scum (and NOT bad townie)? You seem to know him personally, so I am all ears if you can identify behavior. (dot points for now is sufficient, doesn't need to be a case)
So hard not to discuss when we hang out but I think I'm doing a fantastic job. ANYWAY.... I said earlier on D1 I think when he had barely posted, the guy is legit busy, but like you said earlier, everyone who signed up to play the game has stuff to do in their lives; RL cannot be an excuse in mafia (most of the time). In this case I don't believe his RL schedule precludes him from posting completely. His filter is barely 4 pages in a 167-page thread. Inexcusable at this point.
His posting is chaotic and unhelpful; alongside useless fluff, the posts that have any substance are mostly questions directed at random people in the thread with seemingly no obvious direction. He lashed out at me recently as well 'cause I've been calling him out nonstop.
The Chez defense is obvious scumtell, but maybe too much so. He didn't even bother really explaining himself. It's this lurking, uncaring and chaotic playstyle that makes me think he is either a member of a scumteam that doesn't give a shit (which seems to be pretty likely right about now) or he has a third party role. I originally thought his lack of activity and seeming fear of posting useful info meant he could have been lurking blue but not the way he's been doing things.
Also how am I letting everyone else do my dirty work? I've pushed reads on you multiple times; it's not my fault if people selectively ignore what I say. Especially Mocsta, who jumps at the chance to call me scum based on OMGUS.
And I'll get to YOU, Mocsta.
Of course the most activity I give is when people want to kill me. I would prefer not to die. I'm not going to just give up like Prome, or flail around like geript.
You threw your vote on me. Big whoop. You have been SO SURE that I'm scum, and yet if you truly wanted me dead, you should have made a huge case about it. Not little "ok, I'll vote geript, but I still think jcarlsoniv is scum".
On March 08 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 07 2013 16:51 MilkSuckler wrote: WoS ##Vote: WoS Now thou hast been summoth.. Curious is it not: that Restraining Order in his filter of a mere 2 pages, chooses to represent you as town multiple occurrences.
On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote: Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts
I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.
And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.
Curiousity amplified: considering the original context Geript references is VE quotes regarding Geript.
What dost make of this ! P.S. For good measure
On February 26 2013 11:40 Restraining Order wrote: I'd be fine with getting Wave pardoner. That post makes it unlikely he's mafia.
P.P.S And more 15min later
On February 26 2013 11:56 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, all the worries about the pardoner being mafia can be silenced if we just give it to a townie. So I'm going to vote WoS for now.
On February 26 2013 11:58 grush57 wrote: why does everyone think WoS is town et
On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.
In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.
So Restraining Order in all his love for town, has decided it is best we vote WoS into pardoner.. a role beneficial *ONLY* for scum. P.P.P.S
On March 07 2013 15:17 Aquanim wrote: Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy.
Aqua, you were right. We need to vote someone off the list of Glurio, jcarlsoniv, aquanim.
##Vote: WoS
Alright Mocsta, let's see. I agree coming that coming up with a list of everyone you've fingered the entire game isn't the most productive thing I could do, but it got people thinking about you at least, which no one all game seems to want to do at all. You've been very effective at avoiding suspicion entirely despite flinging it at absolutely everyone else. Real nice of ObviousOne to come in and +1 you without adding anything too. Looks real great.
Ok so let's see, you scumread on me is based on a horrible association case based on RO that he threw up in the early hours of D1? Amazing scumtell bro, especially since I asked to be sacrifice if people thought it was scummy just so you could eliminate a role. That's why RO wanted me in it, I was town willing to die, he saw it as an easy mislynch and didn't have to contribute anything more to reveal himself. Not to mention basing anything at all on RO association tells is just going to give you WIFOM out the fucking wazoo. You'd better come up with something stronger than that or you're never going to get me lynched. Later on you rely on the fact that I'm 'new to scum play' (read: meta) to call me out yet you refuse to rely on glurio's meta to see that his original posting in the thread was far from scummy? (I agree he looks bad now since he's been lurking like crazy and hasn't defended himself much but I still think there are better lynch targets than him.)
LOL then jcarl calls me out for buddying DrH while AT THE SAME TIME buddying you. Haha what a joke.
@Mocsta:
While I agree I still really dislike Vivax, I actually agree with your case on WoS more. To add to it:
WoS was buddying DrH HARDCORE early in the game (when DrH was more present). Now, WoS is new to the game, and it seems logical that he would want to buddy someone who seemingly has gotten the town stamp of approval from everyone this game.
That, along with this (that I posted last page), really makes me feel that WoS is scum:
On March 07 2013 23:33 jcarlsoniv wrote: Show nested quote +
Case? Not much of a case, friend.
You have been saying I'm scum for SO long. It's only NOW that you put your vote on me? Only once your suspicions have gained traction? You throw these seeds of scumminess on me for days, but you let everyone else do all your dirty work.
It's easy for scum to shed find "scum" in bad townie play. This is what you've done the entire game, and never actually pushed me until other people were willing to do it for you.
I know there are a whole slew of people up for lynch, but I do think that this is who we should hang today. And if your vote is on me, get it the fuck off if you're town.
##vote WaveofShadow
On March 07 2013 23:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 07 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: Jcarlson would you lynch Mocsta today? All I see in your filter lately are defences of yourself and talking badly about Wade, you aren't pushing anyone.
Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong.
What? Why the fuck would I want to lynch Mocsta? He and layabout are the only ones with sense right now.
Jcarl is serious scum, and you don't see it, you're fucking blind.
Mocsta your reads on me are weak as shit and it's a good thing you changed your vote.
You buddying someone D1 and D2 consistently is FAR different than me agreeing with one of the few people who sees that I'm town in D4. I'm not buddying up to Milk. People want me dead. You were buddying up to someone who everyone perceived as townie because it was easy for you to do, and you weren't suspect, you just wanted town cred.
You've used that defense before, and it's just horribly bad. What do Prom and Geript's pre-death actions have anything to do with you? Their games have been different from yours. Oh actually come to think of it Prom's game HASN'T been all that different form yours. You were both useless, noncommittal (until now) and SCUM. But even ignoring the association (since it's weak) what matters most is what is your excuse for not participating in the rest of the game at all? How can you defend yourself saying "I want to survive, that's why I'm participating" when you SHOULD be participating to FIND FUCKING SCUM, and you only feel 'motivated' to do so when YOU'RE on the block.
First off, calm your tits.
I'm comparing my reactions because I don't understand why you're so surprised that my activity is up.
I'm not making any excuses for my past activity levels. But the fact is that right now, I want you dead. And you're now overreacting. Overreactions are good. They show me that I've pissed you off because, oh gosh, there are a few votes on you.
Die, scum, die.
I think maybe the only time I've been pissed off this game was watching geript 'flail around' as you put it because it was honestly frustrating to see him just throw himself away for no apparent reason. Hey we can even use Geript's 'behavioural analysis' here too! I'm swearing in my last post and capital letters so CLEARLY that means I'm pissed off! I mean looks I'm all excited and angry ---> SCUM!
Survey says: you're an idiot. And I'm not going anywhere. I just hope people get off the Glurio wagon and see how useless and scummy you are. It's very nice you're not making excuses for your scumplay, so how about doing something town-aligned to back yourself up? I haven't seen anything yet......
I'll make it real easy for you. If I'm scum, who's my scumbuddy? (And if you think it's Glurio, you've GOT to be stupid because considering the level of essentially crumbless blue-sniping that has occurred thus far, if you're suspecting two 'newbies' of being the last scum in the game then I don't even know what to say.)
Wait wait wait. Crumbless blue sniping? Are you kidding me? You've hit two blues this entire game.
One was Vayesh, who was a very agressive town player and pushed prom D1. You want a cookie for that one?
The second was WF who helped push down Prom and single handedly continued to push on Chez D2. I'm surprised he lived as long as you guys let him.
As for your scumbuddy - I'm not that concerned with it right now. I'm more concerned with you dying.
How you can consider Vayesh aggressive I have no idea, but alright I'll give you that. But Prom is going to be your example? Really? EVERYBODY wanted Prom dead, EVERYBODY made cases on him in various orders, he as obviously scum right from the get-go with his useless crap on RNG. (Lol 'you've hit two blues this entire game.' Subtle.)
I like that you conveniently choose to disregard my request for you to make another read. Pretty typical since you haven't done it all game; why start now?
It seems to me that if it comes down to either of us dying tonight (which I doubt very highly, tbh) all people really need to do is ask who has actually contributed, been transparent with reads, and been honest in everything they have done. Your foul-weather play is unacceptable in my eyes, and I would hope hope your adamant push on me will be seen by others as nothing more than the last death throes of scum.
I am in no way disregarding your request. I don't have an answer for you right now.
If I die, I'm looking forward to you eating your words.
On March 08 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Thinking ahead you guys are going to fucking screw me on this anyway, aren't you? I'm just waiting for someone to come up with the fact that I'm risking my neck to defend Glurio all game as a scum tell. Scum puts Glurio up for lynching and due to strong association they can fucking WIFOM all day and say well I only did that because I knew he was town all along.
You guys had better have a close fucking look at who threw Glurio under the bus to begin with.
Incredibly panicky and paranoid.
You're worried that your defense of glurio is gonna backfire and you don't want to be implicated? Funny, my defense of chezinu is a huge reason people think I'm scum.
On March 08 2013 06:56 glurio wrote: How about we just lynch him instead? He's not active and looks seriously scummy. He won't get active even if called out. So what to do with him? Lynch him.
i have been burned by starsenses before.
This is fucking retarded. Grush posts one goddamn word that means NOTHING and this gives him a free pass for the rest of the damn game? How the FUCK does that make any sense? Should have been killed ages ago. Tomorrow.
You're dead set on me being scum, and yet you want grush dead tomorrow...
On March 08 2013 06:56 glurio wrote: How about we just lynch him instead? He's not active and looks seriously scummy. He won't get active even if called out. So what to do with him? Lynch him.
i have been burned by starsenses before.
This is fucking retarded. Grush posts one goddamn word that means NOTHING and this gives him a free pass for the rest of the damn game? How the FUCK does that make any sense? Should have been killed ages ago. Tomorrow.
You're dead set on me being scum, and yet you want grush dead tomorrow...
If I'm scum, not calling out WoS here necessarily, grush is my favorite lynch because you don't actually have to demonstrate any effort/work in analyzing him because every post he ever makes as either alignment has 0 value
On March 09 2013 08:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah, milksuckler, I don't really agree with your case on vivax. I highly doubt scum would shoot scum from the position they were in.
Right.. and that means everyelse is wrong?
It doesnt matte what you think is doubtful. scum have to constantly innovate themselves, or are too easily figured out
That part of your case* I should say. I haven't been at my computer in ~12 hrs. I'll need to review when I can get back to my room.
Yeah, sorry, had drank way more than I intended to last night, should not have been posting. Sorry for the cycle confusion.
While I realize a potential bartender in the game is very worrisome, if you lynch me tomorrow, then you will give him an extra day to douse, as my blood will spill green.
If DrH survives tonight, look into him. It's very rare for a vet of his status to live this long through the nights.