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On March 09 2013 10:58 thrawn2112 wrote: ok nvm /in i didn't want to play 2 games at once... but this setup is too intriguing <3 It's been far to long thrawn old mate. | ||
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On March 14 2013 08:10 goodkarma wrote: /in YAY! | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:14 geript wrote: Thank you. Can someone else give me a number between 387 and 412? Nah. I am super excited to start this game! | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:17 goodkarma wrote: But if someone gets modkilled, we'd get to play with Ace. Which would be fucking awesome. O.O Regarding Policy: Let's not policy lynch. It's stupid. Regarding lurker lynches: Town lurkers seem to be semi-prevalent in these bigger games, and as such imho there will be better people to lynch day one. Leave lurkers to vigis if need be. And as for "randomized lynching," we should be able to get some decent scumreads day one. Sure, day one can be challenging, but it's not impossible to get a solid scum lynch the first day. So again, no thanks. Regarding Setup Speculation: Until such a time we find this game has heavily themed aspects, I highly recommend we don't waste time on setup speculation and focus on finding scum. You say that but in my last game with him he rage quit because everyone else was too stupid 0_o | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote: geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet? Yeah I really like this actually. What Gives? | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:32 Wade Fell wrote: Answer: you're scum caught with your pants down and are now "going to bed" because someone is challenging your ideas Don't be silly. If you call everyone scum so easily there will be no townies left in this game. | ||
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On March 16 2013 16:43 geript wrote: I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested. How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff? I feel the whole RNG thing is fucking retarded in general. But that's just me. | ||
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I feel like I would like him to stop everything he is currently doing. What better way to silence someone than by lynching them? | ||
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On March 17 2013 08:45 cosmicomics wrote: You can see in the nested quotes that geript drops RNG for setup spec "I thought I couldn't use it from what was said in pregame and the tarot stuff got me interested." and then moves into asking about a different topic "How do you feel about this being based on some sort of tarot stuff?" So DarthPunk is acting as if geript is still attempting his RNG stuff (he isn't) and trying to lynch him off that, and doesn't actually address him. How do you get so mad at someone you totally dismiss his posting so quickly? ##Vote: DarthPunk LoL just cacthing up now. One thing though. I doubt anyone could interpret my vote as anything more than some pressure to stop his RNG bullshit. That's clearly what it was but you claiming that I was trying to lynch him off that is complete BS. I doubt this misinterpretation could be anything but deliberate. ##unvote ##Vote:Cosmicomics Explain how the fuck you think I was actually doing anything more than a pressure vote on someone in order to get them to cease a terrible idea/plan? | ||
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On March 17 2013 13:52 goodkarma wrote: Well, here it comes... The promised post. While I don't know if it can live up to everyone's expectations, I'll do my best. These are the people I've currently focused my attention on.: Greymist First off, go through Greymist's filter and here's your challenge: find a game he's played in that is a serious one (e.g. non-caller) he solo played. I found one hydra game, and a caller game, but those aren't exactly helpful in this context. Hence why I asked. I'm 99% sure that people just spewed out the accusation I was too lazy to search without even thinking to look themselves, because that's their level of fucking lazy... I sifted through the 10 pages and couldn't find anything... Greymist is someone that has contributed nothing of value to date. What little he has said seems to be either completely not relevant to the game, general agreement to remarks made, or concern about being accused in the case of sandroba. He hasn't stuck his neck out at all, and is currently on my scumlist. He is my top scumread, as unlike some other lurker-type players, he's had ample opportunity to contribute and every time he's opted to provide nothing of value. ##Vote: Greymist Darthpunk Darthpunk is someone whose play I know can be stellar as both town and scum, yet currently I'm leaning towards scum. He has been lurking the thread rather hard, which is uncharacteristic of both his town and scum play. Yet what little he has said just doesn't make sense to me as town. He seems content to lynch the first (trolly) thing that moves (gerupt), and then to not followup in thread at all... This is definitely not pro-town, and I'm leaning scum on him, but I'd really like to see more from him. It's the biggest reason I've been trying to wait before giving scumreads, because I was really expecting more from him. Peashooter When it comes to thepeashooter, I was in general agreement with blazinghand's case. However, what sticks out to me is that instead of backing down, he's decided to maintain his case against coagulation. This is not the kind of move I'd expect from scum, as all it does is have him keeping his neck stuck out in general view. It would have been much easier for him (as scum) to move to a popular target and hide behind him. As such, I'm inclined to not vote for him this cycle and give him a chance. This is not a wagon I plan to get behind. Sandroba Finally, there's Sandroba. What worries me most about Sandroba is that lurking the shit out of thread is a scumtell for him. I'm thinking specifically of the scumgame he had in chrono trigger mafia, the only game I've personally played with him. There, past a certain point, he kind of just completely gave up trying. If he can't contribute any further by the deadline, my vote will likely switch to him. Well. I really don't like this post from Goodkarma but maybe that is just my personal preference of not really liking posts that contain a paragraph each on several people. The case against goodkarma was your standard day one case that doesn't really feel very strong at all and I wouldn't like to lynch goodkarma today regardless. GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later. When it comes to what you said about me you are right I haven;t done much yet. But you are wrong that I was genuinely trying to lynch geript. It was a standard pressure vote at the beginning of the game and that should be obvious. Peashooter is pretty null at the moment I certainly don;t see anythign that would make me want to lynch him really badly. I am not sure that lurkers are really the place to look straight up. Sure, stick a vote on them and pressure them but I wouldn;t want to lynch someone just on inactivity. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote: why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it LOL I know for a fact that you are wrong quite often. <3 | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote: Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler + (like latest Batman movie disappointing ) But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt: Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: Jyuht Consider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat: I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: Golbat YourHarry: I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK I have zero faith in your meta cases BH. and I think this is a super weak reason to be so confident in a town read. What gives? | ||
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On March 17 2013 05:00 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 16 2013 16:46 DarthPunk wrote: ##Vote:Geript I feel like I would like him to stop everything he is currently doing. What better way to silence someone than by lynching them? + Show Spoiler [Bias] + On March 16 2013 16:45 DarthPunk wrote: I feel the whole RNG thing is fucking retarded in general. But that's just me. (British mini) On January 04 2013 14:51 DarthPunk wrote: He is pissed off at an obviously crafted policy post. I myself hate that shit most of the time and can empathise with his position even if I don't agree with all of it. Not alignment indicative, really he is just stating his own policy. Aggression, unless used in a meta case, is not alignment indicative either. This game DarthPunk has vote for geript and wants him dead. And yet he appears to be doing this on the basis that geript was attempting an RNG lynch. He doesn't state that geript is scummy but still votes for him. DarthPunk admits that he hates that RNG/policy talk but NOT that it's scummy. This is scummy. It's called a stop being a moron vote. That should be obvious. Is obvious. And you are scummy as fuck for not 'understanding' that. Now I don't know who I want to lynch more you or Cosmi for sheeping something as bad as this so blatantly. I probably go with the scummy sheep for now though. | ||
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On March 18 2013 07:41 cosmicomics wrote: Sunday is busy day. Still catching up but addressing first things first. DarthPunk is caught lying and is trying to backpedal. My post specifically mentioned how geript had already stopped pursuing RNG material. Why would a town pressure vote to stop someone's "terrible idea" if they already stopped doing it in the very post they quoted? There was a slight possibility that DarthPunk was also trying to shut down geript's tarot card speculation, but in this post it is clear that it was not what he was doing. He himself admits that it was pressure to stop RNG. So there is absolutely no town reason why he would do this to geript. The only reason is to misinterpret geript as doing "terrible idea/plans", and try to mislynch him off that. ##Vote: DarthPunk Yeah he was starting to talk about something to do with tarot cards which is not much better, to be honest I just thought that the tarot card stuff was some variation of RNG in that it was going to determine a lynch candidate through arbitary means. Which it was. So it is exactly like RNG. You are being pedantic to a fault and are trying to mislynch me off something ridiculous. This is LITERALLY your argument. "Guise! let's lynch DP because he says he was pressuring to stop RNG arbitrary lynch selection when geript was in fact using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone! He lied he is scum!" Honestly in no way does anything you have wrote make me scum. VE please re-read my posts and then discover that there is actually no contradiction whatsoever. I didn't like GK's post. I also don't want to lynch Goodkarma today because I have played many games with him and know he is an asset as town whom I could also read if he was scum. Not a contradiction. a completely valid position on goodkarma. I didn't question BH for having a town read on someone I didn;t want to lynch. I questioned him for making a dead set town read on someone with really weak/no reasoning aside from some bad meta case. This is a question on BH not on goodkarma. and should be obvious. IS in fact obvious to others who read it correctly. Also I don't like lurker policy lynches. But there is a difference between policy lynching a lurker and voting for someone who happens to be a lurker for nothing to do with lurking. Which you should know. | ||
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On March 18 2013 02:10 layabout wrote: sandro will either get shot or be really obvious mafia by day 2-3. cosmicomic's vote makes sense because DarthPunk claims to have made a pressure vote but at that time a pressure vote was unnecessary and DP's contribution was empty. Speaking of which: DarthPunk came back and looks scummy and you all just ignored him. He calls me scum for calling him scummy and votes cosmicomics for voting for him. But I don't know if this is a real vote or just a "pressure vote" since he follows the vote by trying to engage in a discussion with cosmicomics. He then tells us that he thinks GKis a poor lynch but criticizes BH's defense of GK. This indirectly supports a GK lynch but he does nothing to make it happen. If you read this post you will notice that DarthPunk seems to agree that GK is scummy or at least dislike's his posting. It's as if he isn't sure if a GK lynch is going to happen so he is hedging. He acknowledges that he has contributed very little but feels an OMGUS is enough of a contribuution for day1. This is scum behavior. DathPunk is scum ##vote: DarthPunk Yep you are scum because you reasoning could only be this bad and warped intentionally. I always follow votes by trying to engage in discussion it seems normal to me but somehow trying to get into a discussion and push a scumread is scummy? THe pressure on Blazing had nothing to do with goodkarma's alignment. It should be obvious that I was pressuring him on making a dead set town read based on weak meta so swiftly. Why? Because scum are likely to make town reads like that and town are not. I was asking BH incase there was something that I missed. I am not hedging. I stated very clearly I DO NOT WANT A GOODKARMA LYNCH TO HAPPEN TODAY. am I hedging now? NO GOODKARMA LYNCH. Yeah I was busy yesterday but stayed up late to post what I did which was more than an OMGUS. But I really don't need to convince you. You are either scum or terrible town and either way are not worth my limited time. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:27 VisceraEyes wrote: DP who is your best guess for scum? Who do you want to lynch today? Either you, cosmic or layabout. Reason: I can;t believe any of you would deliberate misinterpret my posting this badly whilst being town. Actually put you at the top of that list. I KNOW you should know better. Not sure if these other guys are just terrible. I KNOW you are not. ##Vote: Viscera Eyes | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:25 cosmicomics wrote: Could you point out where geript suggested using Tarot cards to arbitrarily lynch someone? Hmm seems I was wrong about the tarot cards because I couldn;t remember the flavor of the role list. all i saw was this post with an 'idea' about tarot cards and after all the RNG shit assumed it was a arbitary lynch mechanic. On March 16 2013 16:41 geript wrote: When I hit the idea of tarot cards, there were a few things that didn't quite match up. First off the major arcana are usually comprised of roughly twenty or so cards. But in the setup there's only 17 named roles. Additionally the roles don't quite matchup exactly. The Devil, Fool and the Tower are straight copies. The Priest could be the Heirophant. The Empress could be the Snake or the Mirror. The others are harder to tell. Does anyone else think that this could be based off of a tarot reading? Yep I got it wrong. I admit that. Doesn't make me scum and doesn;t stop my first vote in the opening hour from being a plainly obvious pressure vote and doesn't stop those who think it was more from being scum trying to mislynch. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:35 VisceraEyes wrote: WEEEEEEEE I'M DP AND I'M GONNA WASTE MY VOTE ON SOMEONE NO OTHER PERSON IN THE GAME HAS SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN LYNCHING MERE HOURS FROM DEADLINE! IN SPITE OF THIS BEING IN RESPONSE TO A DIRECT QUESTION REGARDING MY LYNCH PREFERENCE THOUGH, ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT I THINK VE IS SCUM IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM FOR MISINTERPRETING MY POST!!! WHOOPIDEEEDOOOOOOOOO!!! I don't care about what other people are doing. It's day one it's not mylo I don;t need to consolidate onto a popular candidate I don;t believe in. It's not a waste. You are probably scum from the way you have played. Tell me VE, do you actually believe that townies don't ever pressure vote in the first hour of a game? Answer me that. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: I believe that townies don't use their vote to try and change the way other people are playing. I believe that townies vote for people they think are scum, because that is the function of the vote. Bollocks. Policy lynches. Pressure votes. Townies pressure vote or policy vote ALL THE TIME at the start of day one and this was one hour in. I KNOW you know this because you have played too much to not know. So why are you lying? | ||
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On March 18 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I want to lynch DarthPunk. ##Unvote ##Vote: DarthPunk He doesn't actually think anyone is scum. Says we shouldn't go after lurkers, goes after a lurker. Says he doesn't like a post by GK and defends him, attacks BH for defending GK. The entirety of his play can be characterized as contradictory. Terrible first case. Completely different interpretation to several others. But he seems pretty confident that I am scum. Great. On March 18 2013 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Mr. Wiggles can you look at DarthPunk please? I think he scummy scum. On March 18 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: It's the way he's approaching this game. He doesn't seem to care at all about finding scum. This is his first vote. To this point, he has done nothing but soft defend people, and lightly agree with BH on a point he made about geript. Which is even worse because in this post he openly acknowledges that he doesn't even really think geript is scum...that his vote was exclusively to "pressure" him to "stop what he's doing". Except...that's not what townies do with their vote. Townies try and kill scum with their vote. But apparently Cosmic is now scum because he didn't like Darth's vote. Whatever maybe I can roll with this.... This blows my mind. VE says that townies never pressure vote at the start of the game. Like what in the actual fuck. Everyone here knows VE could not in a million years actually believe this but he is saying that to try and lynch me. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: ...except by the time Darth makes this post Cosmic is a lurker. And read his last statement! :OOOOOOOO Like, his reasoning isn't that he's a lurker, that much I'll admit. But the fact remains that Darth "doesn't think lurkers are the place to look" while his vote is ON a lurker. This is poor and even you know it. Not voting for lurking and not voting for lurkers period are worlds apart. you know this which is why you mention it. But if you know how bad this argument is why make it at all. UNLESS you are pushing a mislynch and you don't care if I am actually scum or not. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: In this post he also SIMULTANEOUSLY defends and attacks GoodKarma. I guess because it's not clear what thread sentiment is going to end up favoring or something, but ultimately ends up saying he doesn't want to lynch GK.[/quote} I had a clear position so your assertion that I was hedging is bollocks. My position was I don;t want to lynch goodkarma today. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: But in the very next post attacks Wade for defending GK on meta? HE JUST DID THIS! I didn't use meta. Explain to me how I used meta to justify not lynching Goodkarma. You can't because I didn't. On March 17 2013 22:42 DarthPunk wrote: GK is really quite an asset as town and someone who I am confident I can catch later. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO You seem really confident right? On March 18 2013 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: That's because he's just saying it's a pressure vote to absolve himself of having to justify his vote with actual reasoning. It was the first hour of the day. It was abviously a pressure vote. Or do you find yourself with deadset scum reads one hour in? What a joke. On March 18 2013 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Thx Wiggles. With that, I'm going to play Minecraft. Clearly I'm not looking at this the right way right now. Are you still good with a GK lynch sir? Finally after all that screaming about me being scum wiggles disagrees and he is off trying to lynch goodkarma. Like seriously. Something is completly off about VE We need to lynch him. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:50 layabout wrote: I like way you miss my point. Darth the pressure on BH doesn't have anything to do with GK alignment, it has to do with you indirectly supporting the lynch. I'm not. I clearly stated I didn't want to lynch Goodkarma. Indirectly supporting the lynch is a complete fabrication. I didn't and don't support a goodkarma lynch and stated as much. The question to blazinghand was entirely about how he had acquired a dead set town read I couldn't understand, because town reads you can't understand often come from scum as they know alignments. It had everything to do with blazinghand and nothing to do with goodkarma. | ||
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On March 18 2013 08:45 Vivax wrote: DP chill down (coming from me, so it's serious business) and work towards persuading people of your own reads. There is only a GM wagon up now as alternative so I suggest you hop on that. I find pretty much everyone scummy you do, but GM is the only working alternative now. We need to draw people to our wagon of rightfulness. NO I am not going to vote for someone I don't think is scum unless I am absolutely going to get mislynched. | ||
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On March 18 2013 05:18 goodkarma wrote: Briefly discussing some thoughts on the new suspects in the flurry of posts that have appeared since last night: Regarding DarthPunk: Darthpunk is definitely looking scummy right now. I understand where VisceraEyes is coming from in his case, and I generally agree with his points. One point I don't agree on though, is DP's defense of me. I understand where he's coming from there, and I attribute it to the several games we've played together. And yes, VisceraEyes you can feel free to jump all over this as a soft defense or yada yada... But I know what DarthPunk's capable of if he actually is town, and there's enough doubt in my mind right now as to if he's scum that I'd really rather not lynch him day one. If he's town, it's an absolute waste. Further, if he's scum I'm confident I could spot it in later days. Ironically, this is pretty similar to the reasoning he used for me. But as of right now, I would say he indeed is scummy for the reasons you've mentioned. Regarding Grey: I really like ryu's case on Grey. With Sandroba being replaced, and these new valid concerns being brought up regarding Grey's posting history, I'm changing my vote back to Grey.: ##Unvote ##Vote: Grey I would ask in the next few hours we find two candidates to consolidate our votes between. As of right now, we're kind of spread everywhere, which is poor form this close to the deadline. Give me a reason why I am looking scummy right now that isn't activity. I would really love to engage in some rational conversation with you. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:03 zarepath wrote: Okay, I just poked in to catch up as much as I can -- sorry that I am looking scummy; I will be able to participate much more during the week (as opposed to the weekend) and will hopefully be able to prove my alignment in a better fashion than I have thus far. Darth Punk was one of something like 8 different people I suspected yesterday, and from the last couple of pages it seems as though his defense of other people's pressure hasn't been stellar. Mainly, all of his reads have been people who have been pressuring him, and much of his text is defending the first day of his game, not actively trying to find out who is scum. The people he lists as scum suspects are not people he's trying to get others to lynch; it's entirely responsive. I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but his first post seemed almost suspiciously over the top (I'm so excited for this game!), and that's another reason I feel okay about lynching him. I wish I'd had time to look over some more candidates, but at this moment (and time is running short) I don't feel too bad about throwing my vote onto DarthPunk. ##Vote: DarthPunk That's because I am being attacked for ridiculous reasons. It does town no favours for me to get mislynched day one. Thus defending myself is the pro town thing to do. I actually believe in my case against VE you should read it. | ||
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Can we get our shit together please. It is almost deadline and the apathy being this close to the deadline worries me. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:19 sciberbia wrote: Why did you defend DP from cosmicomics yesterday if you thought his first post was suspiciously over the top and you suspected him? Wow. That is huge. The fact he is just piling on the wagon and his reasoning directly contradicts his previous position is worrying. | ||
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Sciberbia just brought up something massive on zarepath. I could lynch him today. WoS has had so little impact I barely remember what he has even done. But I probably wouldn't lynch him today because there are better candidates in my opinion. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:29 goodkarma wrote: Why not Greymist? What about his play has you thinking he is town? I think a part of the reason for the explosion of votes against you is you seem more concerned about defending yourself than getting out your reads. You're in danger of getting lynched right now, and the only real scum suspect you have comes off as a heated OMGUS response... If you're town, then doing your best to get all your reads out on paper is your best play. Help us to see your thought process and show you're townie. The case against VE is not pure OMGUS. Please tell me what you think of it. Regardless OMGUS is not alignment indicative at all. I have my reads on paper. The reason I don't want to lynch greymist is that he has read as sensible and productive to me and as a rule I generally don't like lynching players like that day one. One second though. You said that you thought I was scummy before I started posting this morning. So it can't really be because of the 'OMGUS' case on VE (which is actually good) So why did you feel I was scummy earlier? before I started posting this morning. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:49 GreYMisT wrote: I'm sure I speak for Dr.H when I say watch the insults. I think the cases surrounding me are very weak, but honestly I don't care. If I am lynched so be it. I think GK is the best option today and I urge people to vote for him. How could you not care if you are lynched? That doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:58 goodkarma wrote: It had to do with your proactive interest in lynching the lurker cosmic, as well as your super-early vote of geript. I get that these may have been "pressure votes," but you must understand this is all we had to go on for you for the longest time. So in the absence of nearly any other scumhunting involvement, I would say it looked pretty scummy. And as far as OMGUS and emotional responses, yes these can come from town or scum. In my experience, though, you tend to be more emotional in your responses as scum than as town. It's something I've been looking out for. I'm not discounting what you've said about VE as entirely invalid. But it also didn't feel to me to be a particularly strong case. That you were ready to drop consideration of all other cases and beeline for VE with what you presented seemed odd to me. At best, it was a passionate townie getting into a heated argument. At worst, a scum attempt to redirect conversation. In short, I don't have you pegged as town right now (I would say leaning scum) and I understand why others are voting for you. My read on Grey is still much stronger though, especially considering his resistance toward addressing the case against him. I still stand by what I said earlier though about giving you a chance. I believe there's still the possibility that this can be attributed to your prolonged absence. You'll just have to work overtime now though (if you're town) to prove yourself. If you feel that being emotional is scummy for me you should look at my last 3 town games for evidence that this is false. My interest was not lynching a lurker. It was lynching someone who I felt was deliberately misrepresenting things in order to lynch me, and then discovering that he was also sheeping. It happened to be on a lurker. It had nothing to do with the fact that he was lurking. But sure. I will endeavour to try and lynch scum and you can read me from that. I would expect nothing less. Do you buy VE saying that townies never vote for pressure or policy or any reason other than a scum read? | ||
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On March 18 2013 09:59 cosmicomics wrote: DarthPunk, in one sentence, do you think I did anything wrong (from my perspective) thus far? How am I supposed to understand your perspective when it is so obviously detached from anything I can identify with? But Obviously I do. Otherwise I wouldn't have voted for you. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:07 cosmicomics wrote: So you admit that you yourself (innocently) misinterpreted geript's posts, and I'm scummy for thinking that you misinterpreted him? NO you are scummy for sheeping a bad case on me which relied on turning an obvious pressure vote in this very first hour of the game into something more. And then trying to lynch me for it. When it was plain for all to see it was a start of the game pressure vote and nothing more. DESPITE me being wrong about the tarot thing. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:11 ThePeashooter wrote: Hey sorry. I read the game a bit from my phone on break and just finished catching up. So some stuff is a bit hazy from a few hours ago. So I don't know exactly who said it, but seriously. I fucking said I had work. I am obviously not saying I have work and specifying hours just for kicks. If I say I have work don't expect me to post during that time. I have been suspicious of Greymist from one of his first posts but chose not to say anything in order to see what else he would say. He never actually alleviated my suspicions and even though I think Coag is still worth lynching I am more than happy to lynch greymist. To speak a bit generically, I remember his "ahah!" post when someone called him out for inactivity and acting like it was all part of some crazy plan seemed particularly absurd and scummy to me. So I would advise a switch. I haven't had time to read over the other cases unfortunately and I assume the day is ending in a few hours and I still won't be home for 2-3 hours. To respond to the yamato stuff. I assume he was trying to figure out if I was a smurf or not which is why I just ignored it. There isn't much more to say. How do you feel about Zarepath? if you have time. | ||
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On March 18 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote: OH gosh this game so hard. :/ How long til deadline? I want to read again... I thought I was scum bro? How is the game hard now? Why did you lie about townies never pressure/policy voting? | ||
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On March 18 2013 12:12 zarepath wrote: I just switched to GreYMisT based mostly off of a look through his filter and the timing of his chiming in on other people who are already being suspected by others, or how almost everyone he mentions looks maybe scummy but he's not sure. (I recognize I am also kind of guilty of that last point, but I personally know I'm not scum, so there's that.) Unvote: DarthPunk Vote: GreYMisT LOL you just vote for whoever is popular to vote for at the time. You scum bro. | ||
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On March 19 2013 02:37 Mocsta wrote: ##Apply: SAST Rejoice! For I am Town! Unfortunately for SAST Viscera Eyes is scum. ##Burn SAST with Fire | ||
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On March 18 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I want to lynch DarthPunk. ##Unvote ##Vote: DarthPunk He doesn't actually think anyone is scum. Says we shouldn't go after lurkers, goes after a lurker. Says he doesn't like a post by GK and defends him, attacks BH for defending GK. The entirety of his play can be characterized as contradictory. On March 18 2013 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Mr. Wiggles can you look at DarthPunk please? I think he scummy scum. On March 18 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO After that point he completely stops pushing my lynch or being proactive about lynching me. Someone he doesn;t want to lynch is the top lynch candidate but he does NOTHING to push my lynch over greymists even though he was against greymists lynch and Me his number one sure thing candidate is trailing in votes. For reference here is VE position on a Grey Mist lynch. On March 18 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: ...He might be scum but the way he's approaching scumhunting feels genuine and I'm not interested in a GM lynch today. This nonsense about a "trap" is completely manufactured. I read GM's post about "I've been waiting for this" as "You've been saying you're scumhunting and I've seen no proof. Now you've posted it and I'm excited." He then does absolutely nothing for the rest of the cycle DESPITE SOMEONE HE DOESN'T WANT TO LYNCH BEING LYNCHED ABOVE HIS NUMBER ONE SURE THING. The only thing he posts at all when someone he doesn't to get lynched is getting voted ahead of his bnumber one scum candidate is this On March 18 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote: OH gosh this game so hard. :/ How long til deadline? I want to read again... Then he promptly misses the deadline without saying anything at all. The next day he mentions nothing at all about me, his dead set scum read, until he is PROMPTED. and then it is this weak as shit nothing. On March 19 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure what's up with DP. Apparently I'm scum to him for thinking he's scum. Aside from that, all I have to go on is the points I brought up earlier and his horrible reaction to me calling him scum. I'm leaning scum, but his reaction caused me to be less sure. THAT'S IT! Viscera eyes is scum. He needs to Die. Burn Him with Fire. | ||
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Viscera eyes is scum. Look how certain he was that was scum. He seemed to have a deadset scum read: On March 18 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I want to lynch DarthPunk. ##Unvote ##Vote: DarthPunk He doesn't actually think anyone is scum. Says we shouldn't go after lurkers, goes after a lurker. Says he doesn't like a post by GK and defends him, attacks BH for defending GK. The entirety of his play can be characterized as contradictory. On March 18 2013 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Mr. Wiggles can you look at DarthPunk please? I think he scummy scum. On March 18 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Hoeless you too please, I think this is the lynch. DarthPunk. On March 18 2013 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote: VOTE FOR DARTHPUNK HE SCUM YO After that point he completely stops pushing my lynch or being proactive about lynching me. Someone he doesn;t want to lynch is the top lynch candidate but he does NOTHING to push my lynch over greymists even though he was against greymists lynch and Me his number one sure thing candidate is trailing in votes. For reference here is VE position on a Grey Mist lynch. On March 18 2013 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: ...He might be scum but the way he's approaching scumhunting feels genuine and I'm not interested in a GM lynch today. This nonsense about a "trap" is completely manufactured. I read GM's post about "I've been waiting for this" as "You've been saying you're scumhunting and I've seen no proof. Now you've posted it and I'm excited." He then does absolutely nothing for the rest of the cycle DESPITE SOMEONE HE DOESN'T WANT TO LYNCH BEING LYNCHED ABOVE HIS NUMBER ONE SURE THING. The only thing he posts at all when someone he doesn't to get lynched is getting voted ahead of his bnumber one scum candidate is this On March 18 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote: OH gosh this game so hard. :/ How long til deadline? I want to read again... Then he promptly misses the deadline without saying anything at all. The next day he mentions nothing at all about me, his dead set scum read, until he is PROMPTED. and then it is this weak as shit nothing. On March 19 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not sure what's up with DP. Apparently I'm scum to him for thinking he's scum. Aside from that, all I have to go on is the points I brought up earlier and his horrible reaction to me calling him scum. I'm leaning scum, but his reaction caused me to be less sure. THAT'S IT! Viscera eyes is scum. He needs to Die. Burn Him with Fire. | ||
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When asked about it he tries to deflect it but it is the same BS lie that it originally was. On March 18 2013 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: I believe that townies don't use their vote to try and change the way other people are playing. I believe that townies vote for people they think are scum, because that is the function of the vote. After he posts this several people including myself question how he could lie so blatantly in order to lynch someone and HE DISAPPEARS FOR THE REST OF THE DAY. and when he comes back HE IGNORES EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS LIKE THEY NEVER HAPPENED. Please lynch viscera eyes. He is without a doubt 100% scum and needs to die. | ||
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Another thing to think about is that keirathi is known for his meta reads so potentially there are one or more scum that keir would have been familiar with. I find it odd that BH would just be left alive as a mason when he could have been sniped easily. But scum could have been dodging medic protection. I would like everyone to look through my viscera eyes case. I think we should lynch him. | ||
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On March 19 2013 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I took a hit. I'm....not sure what that implies. I'm gonna sleep on it. I love you, town. What dos that mean? you are a vet and got hit or that you were medic protected for some reason? | ||
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On March 19 2013 16:24 VisceraEyes wrote: No my role saved me. I'm Vet. Did you bread crumb that? | ||
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On March 19 2013 16:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Now just why in the fuck would I crumb that?! LMAO SO when you claim to be a vet after you get shot you are 100% confirmed to all of us. | ||
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On March 20 2013 04:16 Coagulation wrote: hey guys reading up on thread now. Feel free to ask me any questions. peashooter spent a good amount of energy effort trying to rally a lynch on me. Im pretty much the easy lynch in every game so its not uncommon for scum to try and push town into lynching me. Its strange to me that there are so many people who have put me in as a town read already. I dont think I should be a town read for anyone just yet. but its a good thing at any rate cause im town. I wouldnt mind having peashooter lynched just on the basis that he was willing to let town run in circles over his identity while saying nothing. that seems fairly anti town. like hes trying to milk the speculation for all the chaos it can possibly generate. Why did you stick a vote on me day one without even mentioning anything about me in the thread? | ||
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I was leaning scummy on Blazinghand for a bit and you all know my position on viscera eyes. But the correct play is to wait and see. So that is what we do. I really like Blazinghands catch of that slip. I have caught scum with stuff like that before. And I got a bit of a town read on BH from the way he pushed it after wards. I don't want to lynch TPS today, though I think he should be closely watched. Kita's case is ridiculously good. It completely exposes a mindset of not caring about the lynch and just following popular trends. Which is NOT a town mindset. ##Vote: WaveofShadow | ||
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On March 20 2013 10:35 Coagulation wrote: DP if you consider TPS to have scum slipped how the fuck are you ok with not lynching him today? Because townies also 'scumslip' in my experience and kita's case on WOS is fucking strong. The slip is enough for me to go and read thoroughly TPS' filter and to watch him carefully. But I don't want to lynch someone based on just a slip like that. | ||
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On March 20 2013 10:40 Coagulation wrote: what the fuck. Like are you not already watching everyone carefully? What is the point of this question. You and everyone else knows that there is a difference between viewing posts in the thread and going over someone's filter with a fine tooth comb. No I do not go over everyone's filter with a fine tooth comb. I would never have the time. Seems like you are pretty desperate to grab onto any nonsense argument you can find. What gives? | ||
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On March 20 2013 10:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Ugh why do you make me want to LYNCH YOU SO MUCH DP?! Have I played with you when we're both town before? No. | ||
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On March 20 2013 10:50 Coagulation wrote: I was sheeping VE cause hes talking sense. And yet you said nothing about it in the thread. Right. Good job Coag. | ||
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On March 20 2013 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Meh. Since I'm honestly sick of every game going the same way for me, I'm going to have a little fun with this I think. I'll leave it up to you guys: do you a) Want me to attempt to defend myself or, b) Ignore all of this shit and make everyone on this bandwagon feel really silly tomorrrow? Sigh...I always seem to bring this upon myself...you'd think I'd learn. This is really scummy. | ||
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On March 20 2013 12:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Do I even need to go into detail on this one? Fuck even Coag called him out on this. Again I'm being accused of sheeping onto cases with one liners and OH WAIT, WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE?? So ridiculous you guys, just absolutely ridiculous. I give credit to cosmic for getting this shit started and disappearing off the face of the earth, and TPS for being the only one to actually post something worth responding to regarding me, and maybe ADDING something to this bullshit case against me. The rest of y'all, up to you if you want to continue sheeping now that all of your wool is keeping me warm at night. If you grow it back by tomorrow then at that point I can re-shear you and have enough for a couple sweaters or something. NO. The case with you is that you have solely and repeatedly sheeped onto cases. I have not. and expecting people to not follow a strong case just so they don't sheep is ridiculous. | ||
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On March 20 2013 12:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Scib: I read you as town. You've been sticking to your reads (a few too many lists for my liking but whatever) and I especially like that you've been attempting to keep zare in the spotlight, who also looks incredibly scummy to me and has for most of the game. Bring the aforementioned case against me if you must; I'll do my best to shut it down along with the rest, sigh. And what's that DP? I don't understand what you're saying, it's just coming out 'baaaa baaaa baaaaa.' W/E dude you are digging yourself a hole. I just ask that you play to your win condition. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote: Sciberbia I dont want this request below to be lost. In addition: please add in the context that DP de-lurked specifically to bandwagon WoS. What is your DP read pl0x I think you'll find that before I bandwagoned WOS taht I posted a question to coag. and that that question was from about 10 pages back in the thread. So If you were really paying attention you would realise that I had just come back and started to read things. So in essence. NO. I did not 'delurk' to bandwagon WoS. I came back. read the thread. read kita's case which i feel to be very strong, and then voted for WoS based on that. What are you trying to say here? that you think I am scum? if you are how about YOU in fact say it rather than try and prompt others into saying it for you. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:24 Mocsta wrote: Nice interjection DP. Curious is it not? I had a premonition that you wanted to know Sciberbia read on you? I thought I was doing you a favour dear. WTF are you talking about? I don't care what people's reads on me are unless I am about to get mislynched. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys I'm back! Gosh what's going on in here?! Mocsta is trying to get someone else to call me scum for him but won't do it himself for some reason. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:32 VisceraEyes wrote: That's funny - my read of you caused you to IMMEDIATELY think I was scum DP. It seems to me that you might want to know if you think Sci is scum too :OOOOOOOO That is bullshit and you know it. The case on you had nothing to do with you calling me scum. It had to do with your complete misrepresentations of the facts in your case. I am not going to OMGUS everyone who calls me scum and I don't consider my case on you OMGUS period. For a smart guy you are being incredibly stupid. Care to finally tell me how on earth you had the gall to say townies never pressure or policy vote? or why the case against me was full of misrepresentations which countless others saw right through? | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:42 VisceraEyes wrote: You're really making a big deal out of that statement Darth. How about this. I'll meet you halfway and say that BAD townies pressure/policy vote. And the case against you is super stronk. You scum and I can't wait for town to see it. ^^ If the case against me is super strong why have you not pushed it since you disappeared after saying you were going to read the thread? The case on me is Awful. Most of the town knows it. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Why would a vote 2 hours into the game be deemed acceptable pressure? Make yourself useful now that you're here. Thoughts on Zarepath? You're both an agreement that I should be lynched right now but let's pretend you're wrong for a minute. Where does that put him on your list, especially since you were ready to lynch him D1 before changing to VE. Zarepath is in a scummy little basket along with along with TPS, Layabout and Cosmic. The problem with all these people is that A.) I have never played with them before so it is hard to tell if they are just always scummy/lynchbait or if there is something wrong. B.) I am scared of mislynching into lynchbait. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol or I've played 3 games with Mocsta and he knows my meta. And Coag isn't a complete idiot. (I do see your point, however I disagree. And now that you've brought it up it'll be interesting to see what the rest of the scum on my bandwagon do if it starts to falter.) I don't believe 3 games to be enough to shake off kita's case almost immediately soley on meta. And coag not being dumb is not an excuse to call you town straight up for little to no reason. Let us say that hypothetically you are town. Yes, Kita's case on you was wrong. But you must see that it is really very convincing and is a strong case in general. Now. Ask yourself if the piss weak reasons for the town reads on you make sense in context with how good kita's case is. Doesn't that worry you? | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Sweet dude then you have nothing to worry about! *high-five* No. I have to worry about you being scum or not. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote: Interesting choice of words. Personally, its a favourite move of mine to throw in the word 'mislynch" when scum. Its a soft-town claim as I am sure you are aware. In fact, I used the word in hydra when under the pump Lets be fair: Yes, town can say it.. but.. truth be told. I havent seen a town say it until they under genuine pressure of lynch.. And well, you are simply not in that position are you?. so it is fascinating that you choose to overreact and beat this drum so hard so early. Now in case you are struggling to piece together my motives. Let me be transparent. I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched. So when I am asking others for opinions on YOU.. I think its bullshit to over-react and cut in like you did. now my questions to sciberbia are tainted all because of your 'choice of actions' and impatience. I am not trying to elicit stances for funsies. Everything has a purpose. And so far.. I got way more than I expected... WAY MORE. As for the criteria you raised earlier. + Show Spoiler + OK, you voted for WoS post-kita case, and pre-WoS limp "permission" post which you decided to call out. Do you want a pat on the back for making the follow up? & You can also continue to over-react over my choice of word in "de-lurk" which perhaps can be rephrased as decided to make your first post in essentially one hour. As for your spiel about calling scum directly instead of "prompting". Trust me, when I want to call you scum. I shall... and if others want to call you scum, it wont be because *I* gave them permission to either. Read any of my last 5 town games. Z-Boson once brought up that it was part of my meta that I never used the word mislynch as a townie and that I solely did so as scum. Since then I have started to use the word as both alignments. Now I wasn't reacting because I was the focus of whatever you were trying to do with sciberbia. I was reacting because you were phrasing what seemed to be a question in a way that seemes to lead others to draw the conclusion that you wished. That, to me, does not seem like a genuine attempt to gather information and then draw a conclusion. That to me seems like an attempt to find information that reaches the conclusion you wish it to reach. and THAT is scummy as fuck. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: DP: Zarepath is NOT always lynchbait, which is exactly why I am ever more certain he is scum. I can't be sure about the others. And the town reads aren't weak at all. Notice how the other players that I've played with before ALSO haven't voted for me? VE/BH/Geript/Vivax/etc? As to whether or not I'm worried, you can be the judge of that. Cosmic to answer your questions: No, I'll speak however I want. I posted a sort-of-defense to kita right after he first accused me and we had a little back-and-forth. If need be later on or tomorrow I'll go more in depth but I don't see the need right now. As far as giving people more fuel, where are those good intentioned townies to push their oh-so-towny cases against me? They voted and fucked off with all the scum that's where. WTF kind of response is this?!?!? I can be the judge of whether you are worried or not? why the deliberate ambiguity? That rubs me the wrong way. You responded in a non townie way to that question. Townies would be suspicious as anything about town reads ripped from thin air. I can assure you. I am pretty confident this lynch is the right one. | ||
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On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote: Interesting choice of words. Personally, its a favourite move of mine to throw in the word 'mislynch" when scum. Its a soft-town claim as I am sure you are aware. In fact, I used the word in hydra when under the pump Lets be fair: Yes, town can say it.. but.. truth be told. I havent seen a town say it until they under genuine pressure of lynch.. And well, you are simply not in that position are you?. so it is fascinating that you choose to overreact and beat this drum so hard so early. Now in case you are struggling to piece together my motives. Let me be transparent. I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched. So when I am asking others for opinions on YOU.. I think its bullshit to over-react and cut in like you did. now my questions to sciberbia are tainted all because of your 'choice of actions' and impatience. I am not trying to elicit stances for funsies. Everything has a purpose. And so far.. I got way more than I expected... WAY MORE. As for the criteria you raised earlier. + Show Spoiler + OK, you voted for WoS post-kita case, and pre-WoS limp "permission" post which you decided to call out. Do you want a pat on the back for making the follow up? & You can also continue to over-react over my choice of word in "de-lurk" which perhaps can be rephrased as decided to make your first post in essentially one hour. As for your spiel about calling scum directly instead of "prompting". Trust me, when I want to call you scum. I shall... and if others want to call you scum, it wont be because *I* gave them permission to either. Actually look at this post. He says he isn;t calling me scum. But he is colouring my quotes in red, look at how is doingg everything EXCEPT stating I am scum. and then he says this in the EXACT POST with RED QUOTES On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote: I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched. he states he doesn't know if I am scum or not, which is contrary to every other thing in the exact same post. He is being wishy-washy. This doesn't add up at all. | ||
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On March 20 2013 14:06 WaveofShadow wrote: You'd be pretty wrong. I don't care what rubs you the wrong way. It's up to you whether or not you believe the townread Mocsta is giving based on my response to the cases against me, and whether you think that makes me worried based on that and earlier posts I've made. Now the only people who gave town reads were Coag and Mocsta, and I already mentioned that I understood your point but disagreed with it. As for the others, I'm not entirely sure they're all town but at the very least they all know my meta and haven't voted me whether they've said why or not. OK let me try this another way. Objectively. How strong do you believe kita's case on you to be? | ||
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On March 20 2013 14:10 Mocsta wrote: For you to react this way, you must think that Sciberbia is easily influenced. (1) What is your alignment position on Sciberbia? WTF are you talking about? I have never played with sciberbia and have only read Yet another normal mini mafia as the entirety of my knowledge on him. How on god's earth do you think I think he is easily influenced is beyond me and also irrelevant. I do not believe anyone to be influenced more or less easily. I have an issue with the way you were approaching 'Scum-hunting' because, to me, the way you approached it is reflective of mafia mentality. Trying to lead someone to a conclusion rather than find and objectively review evidence is not a townie thought process. I think sciberbia is town. I am not 100% sure. I am not even 90% sure. But sciberbia is a town read right now. I did the same thing with Geript and Layabout, and Geipt came back with a town-ish read.. (2) Why are you so worried that Sciberbia would find you scummy? - Enough to interject at the least. I wasn't worried about what anyone thought of me. I was worried because your process screams scum to me. This isn;t about sciberbia. This was about you. and the way your leading questions make no sense for town. | ||
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On March 20 2013 14:10 Mocsta wrote: For you to react this way, you must think that Sciberbia is easily influenced. (1) What is your alignment position on Sciberbia? WTF are you talking about? I have never played with sciberbia and have only read Yet another normal mini mafia as the entirety of my knowledge on him. How on god's earth do you think I think he is easily influenced is beyond me and also irrelevant. I do not believe anyone to be influenced more or less easily. I have an issue with the way you were approaching 'Scum-hunting' because, to me, the way you approached it is reflective of mafia mentality. Trying to lead someone to a conclusion rather than find and objectively review evidence is not a townie thought process. I think sciberbia is town. I am not 100% sure. I am not even 90% sure. But sciberbia is a town read right now. On March 20 2013 14:10 Mocsta wrote: I did the same thing with Geript and Layabout, and Geipt came back with a town-ish read.. (2) Why are you so worried that Sciberbia would find you scummy? - Enough to interject at the least. I wasn't worried about what anyone thought of me. I was worried because your process screams scum to me. This isn;t about sciberbia. This was about you. and the way your leading questions make no sense for town. | ||
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On March 20 2013 14:30 Mocsta wrote: DP, This can be put to rest pretty easily. I apologise for jumping the gun and making thread comments without reading even 1/4 of Day 1. Thats pure laziness on my behalf, and there is no excuse for it. Fact is, i think (and still think) you over reacted to my initial question on Sciberbia. Yes, it was suggestive, but in no way was it going to force a conclusion from him. And whether you care or not, the question was actually to gain a better understanding of sciberbia, not you. Though I admit I was lazy in (not) reading the thread, I am still happy we went through this dance, because now I have a good town read on you. As an aside: Ironically, you are doing the same thing you accuse me of doing. You dont call me out as scum; but say, my actions exhibit mafia mentality. That's me calling you scummy buddy. The question is why were you asking suggestive questions at all? Rather than reading the thread you are saying you haven't read or asking questions that generate real evidence and not evidence that is biased by the very nature of those questions? | ||
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On March 20 2013 14:34 WaveofShadow wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 08:54 kitaman27 wrote: Finally have some spare time. I'll respond to a couple relavent issues, but first I wanted to get out a post on one of my strongest scum reads. I may have a second post about another player I'm suspicious of, depending on how much time I have. WaveofShadow The first player I'd like to bring up is WaveofShadow. Whenever I try to look at a player, the most important thing to look at in my opinion is motive. During the first few cycles of a game, it can be quite difficult to differentiate a townie post and a mafia post. The easiest way to tell the difference is to ask yourself, what is a player trying to accomplish with these posts and what does this player care most about. When I read through the filter of Wave, I can't help but notice that he is much more willing to play through others, than to put himself out there. On numerous occasions, we can see him prodding other players with questions, but there has been very little follow through. He questions other players reads, but fails to come to significant conclusions. Wave has approached the first two cycles in a way that shows me that he has little interest in being the guy that gets a player lynched. He is more interested in selecting a bandwagon based on the arguments of other players. In his support for the day one lynch, he posts the following: This is the first time in the game he actually mentions Darthpunk. He states in a single line that he supports VE's case, yet provides no reasoning for why he agrees. Notice how defensive he gets with his vote. In reference to his disapproval of VE's circle he states "Call that scummy if you wish." At a point where he has selected his preferred lynch candidate, he is still spending more time discussing VE's completely irrelevant circle. For the sake of keeping this post legible, I've edited out the previous part of this quote, but he spends a whole paragraph discussing the deal with yamato. Why is it that he is spending more time discussing events not relevant to his scumread, than the actual vote itself? It would be one thing if VE's case was so convincing that he had nothing to add. However, when I ask myself, does he care about this lynch, I come to the conclusion that he does not. DarthPunk is his preferred lynch candidate, but at this point he has put absolutely no effort in pushing his selection. He is more than willing to comment on unrelated issues, but when it comes to the part of the game that should be most relevant, he shows little interest. This post shows me that his scum read is influenced by whether or not he believes the town views it as a viable lynch. When a mafia player selects a bandwagon, they often due it based on where the town's sentiment lies. Once he realizes that DarthPunk isn't going to get lynched, he backs off, simply stating that he has responded well to pressure. Back to my point about his "defensive" phrasing of his vote, he has been acting quite defensive during the first two cycles. While a town player plays with confidence, Wave seems quite careful with his actions and is quite concerned with other's view of himself. Look how important it is to him for others to realize his meta based scum-hunting skills are sub-par. On four different occasions he makes this statement. In response to suspicion, he reacts quite strangely. Look how worked up he gets when GM names him as a scum read. There is essentially no pressure or votes on him at this point, yet he is responding as if he is about to be hammered. These are more examples of how important it is to him that he is seen in good light. Note how he has spent more time talking about his annoyance of getting suspected, than he does about DarthPunk earlier. His vote of GreYMisT also occurred at a time where GreYMisT was suspicious of him. Finally, I come to this post which is what caused me to look at him further. Look how squirmish he is in his response. This is at a point where he accidentally mentioned to a lynch, rather than a night kill. It was a 100% typo and a non-issue. Yet here is his talking about how his has to be more careful about not making mistakes and coming up with more excuses. Wave has show that he cares more about himself, than town. He is willing to share opinions on less important issues, while skimping in pushing town objectives when it comes to the lynch. He responds in a mafia manner to suspicion and posts with an attitude that lacks the look of a town player. I think he would make an excellent lynch today. Kita's first post: Solid reads actually, though they're not for the reasons he thinks. He's right I didn't do much scumhunting of my own D1 because as I have stated before, I didn't have any strong reads. VE's case on DP struck a chord with me because I was previously schooled on how useless it is to drop a 'pressure' vote on a lurker in the first few hours so I got on board. As for attempting to make myself look good, I believe I responded to that already: His second post: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote: Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. This is my 5th game, yes. And I am very capable of pushing a case but usually in order for me to be capable it requires me to act like a fucking idiot first (see Hydra Mini Mafia) and get pressure on myself to get my ass in gear. I'm not sure why or why I'm incapable of fearlessly making cases before this happens in non-newbie games. (NMM 38 is the obvious exception; I played that very well in my opinion because I was more experienced than nearly everyone in there and either didn't post any bullshit to get called out on or they were too new to recognize it). Third: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote: I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. Using lying when unprovoked was an odd way to go, I'll admit, but I stand by my thoughts on meta, which I DID bring up before Mocsta, albeit really badly. He said what I should have though I'm not sure how compelling it would have been coming out of my own mouth. Fourth: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote: This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. Early on in the day Wiggle said a few things that made me gut-read him as town but then looking over him I realized I had no reason to think as such. During the day multiple times I make mention of him appearing scummier to me. Fifth: It's completely relevant. In conclusion, Kita's case is not weak at all, it's my own fault for not playing as fearlessly as I should be early game and not defending myself with meta properly when I should have. Now I have defended myself in full and if people choose to go with it, great. If I'm still up for lynch then....we'll see how tomorrow goes. Great! now that you have done a thorough analysis of Kita's case and still think that it is quite strong EVEN with you being the target. How do you feel about Coag and mocsta who instantly call you town for little reason DESPITE how strong the kita case is? Oh and I am pretty sure WoS is town now. ##unvote | ||
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On March 20 2013 17:00 sciberbia wrote: Sweet. DP, are you down with a WoS lynch? I know you said you think he's town before, but you didn't say why. I'm feeling pretty good about it. I think I will try to consolidate all of my evidence against him into one post because that will probably prove more effective for the purpose of convincing the rest of the thread. Yeah. I reckon I could lynch him. The main thing though is that he was very co-operative under pressure when I spoke with him rationally and then he did a reasonably good job of assessing the Kita case objectively. I don't know. How do you guys feel about his large analysis of kita's post? | ||
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On March 20 2013 18:25 Mocsta wrote: Does anyone care that ace has basically lurked all game??? Not yet. He hasn't been around that long. we can afford to give him a bit of a chance IMO. Anyway I agree with all the WoS stuff. so he has my vote again. ##vote: WoS | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:03 Mocsta wrote: I havnt lost track honey i have reverted to a green read on zarepath actually i re-reading the game now; and though i still *abhor* his opener.. the following posts interacting with WoS for example are towny (And not because I think WoS is scum) its because he is calling out those ppl for the same thing I disliked and made notes about. I think keirathi was right, hes still newbie-ish town. Im only up to page 15 though (I know.. its embarassing, but in short. so far, i dnot see zarepath as scummy anymore) Another weak town read which this time is a 180 on a previous scum read. Gee. You really want me to think you are scummy don't ya bud. | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright Mocsta, you want association reads? (It's a shame I can't post videos, I had a perfect one for this. Look up Alan Parson's Project: "Eye In the Sky." Fantastic song.) I am The Eye Lynch away! OK here is how this works. You claim your full role and give us any crumbs. Don't care about the night kill or w/e it is far far better for you to be night killed than for us to potentially mislynch you. | ||
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Because that is what all the reasoning for these town reads are. Excuses to think they are town. There is no analysis that will sway others to the read. and there is nothing that I can empathise with in terms of mindset. | ||
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OK so why have you not done it yet? | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote: I dunno if that was a reference to me. But perhaps we saying different things. To me a "town' read balls anywhere from above null to confirmed. Maybe for you, it only means confirmed town. If you talking about confirmed town, the only have three. & 2 are dead. What in the actual fuck? for me it means someone I can say that I am above 80% sure is town. slightly above null is not a town read. | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote: Well before WoS made his post, iw as reading in peace so p14. Cos ppl keep talking to me, its now only p15 perhaps i should jsut stop refereshing and read the whole night.. actually i will jsut do that. im sick of not knowing the status quo. Yep that is a good idea. Just remember what page you started being current at and read to there. | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote: There u go. i dont call ppl 80% town, that means nothing to me We all use different tools; its not scummy because someone thinks differently. DP, you're better than this.. Seriously... i actually liked you a lot when you coached me; but this shit.. seriously man. Take a chill pill. Sorry. This is just how I play. I still love you buddy. just separate in game from out of it. | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Awww you actually looked. Yay someone listened to me! Here's one. Stop playing games. Claim properly. behaving like this around the claim has already lost you a heap of credit in my eyes. | ||
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Let's just reset and try and calm the fuck down. OK. I am waiting until WoS claims properly to decide what to do. | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Funny thing about my role, from the PM I assumed rolecop which usually means only role, no alignment, especially given this setup when we don't know what the names refer to that would make sense right? Well I got alignment too. Well that is fine. Liquid city which was a DrH game had a role+alignment cop. Who did you check last night? Where is the crumb from the check and what is the result? just say townie/scum not role. | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I think from now on I'm honestly just going to lurk in mafia games. It seems a surefire way to survive as town or scum 'till D4 at least the way TL has played every single game I've ever been in. And fewer chances of me fucking myself over by opening my big mouth. The game is not about survival. I usually survive a long time as town. That just shows me I need to improve my town game a lot. Most of the good players get shot really early unless they are playing realy badly. For example, marv from personality 2. You are playing well IMO. You just need to stop acting so strangely around your claim. | ||
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On March 20 2013 23:59 zarepath wrote: It concerns me if a red Eye can get away with pretending to be blue. He's been incredibly vague his entire role claim, and his breadcrumb isn't actually a breadcrumb. He could have taken any sentence he said about TPS on N1 and said "I was going to say this phrase every time I checked someone." It's true his read on him changed, but his read changed on a lot of people (Wiggles) for seemingly no reason. We aren't lynching a cop claim. Especially one that fits with the thought processes in his filter. | ||
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On March 21 2013 00:19 Mocsta wrote: zarepath.. howz the mason chat with BH going? Good question. | ||
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Right now I am trying to figure out who to look at as a serious lynch candidate. It's pretty hard though. Lots of the scummy players are also lurkers and could just be bad. | ||
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On March 21 2013 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote: This actually makes my night action PM a little more interesting. Is it automatically assumed that blue always = town? Yes. | ||
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On March 21 2013 00:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm up in the air with you DP. I don't like how everyone who accuses you just MUST be scum, but frankly none of that is actually enough for me to build a case on you. I'm not interested in lynching you today - that's about as far as my read of you goes. I think there are better targets. So you are backing down again. This is way different from yelling at me in all caps and painting my name red. Also, not everyone who calls me scum is scum. So stop posting BS please. | ||
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On March 21 2013 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote: If you say so. Mafia still wanted me dead N1, if you think I'm scum vote for me. nah I am not going to lynch a vet claim with KP probably lost and no other claims. But I don't trust you at all. | ||
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On March 21 2013 00:51 VisceraEyes wrote: To which I said, "What a fucking horrible idea. You're an idiot if you do this" LOL well, that is true. It is a horrible Idea. | ||
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On March 21 2013 01:42 zarepath wrote: The absolute worst way for a Vet to die is through being lynched. We have no reason to not believe he's a vet. If we get to endgame with a Vet and a smaller amount of mafia, that's a distinct advantage. he is supposedly an infinite shot vet now. Yeah when he was not an INFINITE SHOT VET CLAIM he would have just died during the next night. Now he can just NEVER GET NIGHT KILLED and we will assume that he is an infinite shot vet. NO just no. also he accepted a request to become third party. | ||
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On March 21 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote: Im not against it. when he said he had a town read on WoS yesterdya, i queried him, because I wasnt sure if founded upon knowledge not known to town... or a good read. IIRC he coudltn substantiate the read. I can support the vote. With VE.. i was against voting him for the 3P as of last night.. i still cant get past that he would do something like this that has basically polarised and derailed the thread for a good 10hrs now.. thats essentially worthy of a policy lynch in my opinion. Yeah this is basically what a coag lynch would boil down to. A town read for no real reason directly opposed to a very strong case. Ugh I don't know. This game is hard. VE how would you feel about a Goodkarma lynch? | ||
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On March 21 2013 11:32 geript wrote: How is good karma more useless than wiggles? he may not be. But I KNOW goodkarma. and I KNOW goodkarma is never useless as town. this is as close t a sure thing that i can see today. | ||
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This game he has done nothing to push reads or *really* scumhunt. He has been useless. He is never useless as town. | ||
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On March 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: DP... i know you feel strongly about gk... are you tempted by TestSubject? His +1 vote timing on GreyMist is *very* suspicious and to me with the thread sentiment at the time, speaks of mafia. imagine having played with someone who is never useless as town and having played scum with that person knows their posting suffers as scum. I wanted to keep GK alive because i knew I could read him. he is never this useless as town. never. His posting doesn't seem like real scumhunting which is similar to his posting as scum when he was on my team in liquid city. additionally, Grey mist was sold on GK being scum and he is a confirmed town. I want to lynch goodkarma today. | ||
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On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote: U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all. I'll take a look. but from memory his posts made sense to me. | ||
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On March 21 2013 12:59 Mocsta wrote: DP.. lets constructively talk about this. two things can happen you make me realise im being tunneled OR i make you realise you are being "soft" =========== What was the point of making the martyr comment? In my opinion, because he wants to provide justification for the +1 vote. I dont see anything wrong with that, image is important regardless of alignment. So it comes down to the justification.. Its severely flawed as I have pointed out. A townie is more willing to look at both sides of the fence before coming to a conclusion. This guy imemdiately takes the negative representation.. with no clear context in his filter for wanting to hammer GreyMist in that manner. This is why i think its scummy. He saw that GreyMist was basically dead, and decided to kick him whilst on the floor. heaps of people piled onto grey mist when he was popular the same is true for me WoS and Viscera Eyes. I don't view the vote onto greymist as enough to lynch him period. and there are several people I would like to lynch before him. Please trust me on goodkarma. I will look at test subject and whoever else you want me to look at tomorrow. But the reality of the situation is. We should not lynch VE. He is the leading candidate. We should consolidate onto goodkarma, lynch scum, and avoid a VE lynch. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:19 Wade Fell wrote: Also GK lynch is 1) bad and 2) not happening Tell me why GK is being useless and posting far less than he has in every town game of his? | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:21 Wade Fell wrote: show me how this is a scum trait of his? he's more quiet as town, especially early it's not early. It's the end of day 2 and he has done sweet fuck all. You should know from coaching GK that he does not play like this as town. GK tries to take charge of the scum hunt as town. This game he is just hanging out in the background sheeping onto cases again and again blending in and being useless. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:25 Wade Fell wrote: He's literally aggro as fuck and flings reads around rather than being contemplative and slow when he is scum. I've demonstrated this. You've played with him and you knwo this. Stop misreading him. He comes across as careful and overly crafted when he plays scum. That is literally how BC caught him in Liquid city. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:28 Wade Fell wrote: townish, too abrasive for your scum. Lol are you for real? Have you not see me play scum? | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:29 Wade Fell wrote: i'm for real we've had shit-flinging competitions i know you man Right well you should know that I am abrasive as scum as well. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:32 Wade Fell wrote: I know but 1) you are also abrasive as town 2) the cases on you are bs ps being town doesn't mean you're good is till have the same general opinion of you i always do I am afraid if you called me good that would mean I am actually bad. <3 | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:34 Wade Fell wrote: moc i don't think TS is happening. let's consolidate onto VE LoL you obviously don;t read the thread properly. | ||
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On March 21 2013 15:10 WaveofShadow wrote: DP can you answer my question from earlier? If we can't get the support onto GK where do you see yourself going? Neither. I don't want to lynch ace or Viscera eyes. I would lynch Goodkarma or CC that's it. | ||
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On March 21 2013 15:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Well this is awkward. How is that? | ||
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On March 21 2013 15:27 VisceraEyes wrote: I guess I'm anxious to hear Mocsta's thoughts on TPS WHOLLY AND SEPARATE case against Ace. What is your read on GK? | ||
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##unvote ##vote: Ace Ugh this whole situation is fucked. | ||
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On March 21 2013 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Wow. Just....wow. I'm still not scum guys. And time will tell if I'm some kind of 3rd party I guess because as of right now I'm an advocate of lynching me BEFORE LYLO. Obviously I'll likely change my tune the closer we draw to LYLO if I indeed turn to 3rd Party. Funny that you promised a mega case post and then tunnelled a townie to death instead. | ||
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On March 22 2013 15:58 TestSubject893 wrote: Well I killed BH. You're welcome. My role is just a plain old night vigi, other than the fact that I was not allowed to shoot night 1. I think its best if I keep the name of my role and the number of shots I have remaining to myself for now. I'm going back to sleep now, its 3 am here. nice shot. | ||
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I am about to leave I have 2 weddings to go to today. When I get home I'll dig through filters and try and figure out what is going on. | ||
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On March 24 2013 12:21 RyuSuzaku wrote: I find that DP hasn't done as much as he normally does as town. When THIS is the stated reason that someone wants to lynch me when I have a 9 page filter and the person claiming I am not doing enough to be town has a 2 page filter something s wrong. | ||
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On March 24 2013 12:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol to be fair wasn't your case against GK basically the same thing? Like "I've seen him play town and this isn't his town play let's vote him?" In any case nothing Wiggles has said thus far has made me want to change my mind on this. If people are willing to listen to why glurio is scum I'll see if I can get to my case tonight. He had a two page filter. I have a 9 page filter.Every other town game of GK he has taken a leadership position, this game he did not but I am assuming his town play wasn't the same because he was laying low being a medic and all. | ||
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On March 24 2013 13:45 RyuSuzaku wrote: who cares? Size of filter does not correlate with contribution. In fact, you look even worse for the fact that you have so many posts yet I can't remember a single one of them, despite at some point reading them all. If you could kill any three players right now, who would you kill? The same could be said for your posts with me. Anyway I think it's your problem because many others have had town reads on me. | ||
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On March 24 2013 13:50 RyuSuzaku wrote: not really. I can't think of any lynch you've supported, or any of your reads, since you've been a nonfactor this game. Normally that's not a good sign. I have not necessarily had the time to post as much as I've wanted to, but I've been very clear on my reads, perhaps barring today (since Trance got modkilled/whatever happened to him and my #1 target is pretty much not going to get lynched) Then read the thread. I have been far from a non factor despite your assertions. YOU have in fact been a non factor which is ironic. | ||
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On March 24 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah Ryu's been a factor. In the mislynching of GreyMist. LOL. Burn. | ||
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Somethings I didn't;t like recently. On March 25 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys I'm back. Reading now gerpit: it had flavor - but it was implicit that I took a hit. This is the second time Viscera Eyes has said something similar to this and just disappeared afterwards. These false promises of activity are really scummy. VE was a really really solid scum read of mine until his claim. I think it would have been retarded to fake claim by holding back KP day one. But not impossible. He is a question that needs to be solved. But honestly I am too worried about mislynching to take a risk on VE. Maybe he is the best choice. IDK. The other thing I didn;t like was this. On March 24 2013 21:12 zarepath wrote: I know I was voting for cosmicomics, but after reading Wiggles' filter I'd thought he wouldn't be that bad of a lynch, either. Honestly, that guy needs to flip soon. It seems as though nobody is really willing to talk about him. Does anybody have a town read on him, and why? On March 24 2013 22:03 glurio wrote: Well didn't think that would happen. Can we lynch cosmicomics now please? These kind of posts are super weird after we mislynched again. When I mislynch three times in a row my confidence is shot. I double and triple think every read because I am worried about mis-lynching again. So when people come straight out after a mislynch like that fearlessly wanting to lynch into lynch bait. It worries me immensely. | ||
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The night kills were really weird. I have no idea why an absent VE and Coag were lynched ahead of Kitaman or WoS. I am half tempted to call the both of them scum for just being alive at this point. But the fact of the matter is that WoS claim was sooooo messy that it is probably townie. And I have had a town read on Kita for a substantial majority of the game. So I am going to trust those reads for better or worse I am afraid. I really don't like the wagon on CC as it reeks of an easy wagon on lynch bait. the contradiction of Layabout unearthed by kita a page back is something that feels to me like a genuine slip/expression that is indicative of a scum thought process. I am going with that, as I am having a heap of problems forming a read at all and it seems like the best thing to go on. I will be checking the thread regularly until lynch. If anyone wants to talk or requests a filter of someone and my thoughts etc. Let me know. | ||
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On March 27 2013 12:09 layabout wrote: DarthPunk do you mind telling me where you stand, it's getting quite late? Wave of shadow - Town with DT claim The Peashooter - Town from WoS check Testsubject - Town with Vig claim. Cosmi - Non- Anti town third party Layabout - as above Excluding me there are: RyuSuzaku kitaman27 DoYouHas glurio zarepath Kenpachi geript Remaining. There are probably 4 scum left after wade fell died. I am assuming the mafia KP is X/2 rounded down. At the moment I am trying to figure out which 4 out of those 7 are scum. I would probably put Zarepath as town from what I have read of him. At the moment I am looking at a kita lynch as kita has only made very constructed and crafted posts. Has not posted a lot but enough to come off as townie. Has flown under the radar and pushed cases on a townie/3rd party every time. Also Kita has posted good and reasonable cases. And a lot of them. So it doesn;t make any snese for kita to be alive and coag and VE to die last night. So yeah. At the moment I am looking at a kita lynch. | ||
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On March 27 2013 12:37 layabout wrote: Whether you have been busy or not you have provided nothing relevant since day2 and much of your posting on day2 was insubstantial. For all your early aggression you have simply sheeped onto wagons with little effort or evidence of thought. In the only analysissy type post of yours since day 2 + Show Spoiler + On March 25 2013 14:15 DarthPunk wrote: Hi I've been reading the thread but to be honest I am pretty disheartened with the whole situation. For what it's worth I have a solid town read on Wave of shadow. Somethings I didn't;t like recently. This is the second time Viscera Eyes has said something similar to this and just disappeared afterwards. These false promises of activity are really scummy. VE was a really really solid scum read of mine until his claim. I think it would have been retarded to fake claim by holding back KP day one. But not impossible. He is a question that needs to be solved. But honestly I am too worried about mislynching to take a risk on VE. Maybe he is the best choice. IDK. The other thing I didn;t like was this. These kind of posts are super weird after we mislynched again. When I mislynch three times in a row my confidence is shot. I double and triple think every read because I am worried about mis-lynching again. So when people come straight out after a mislynch like that fearlessly wanting to lynch into lynch bait. It worries me immensely. You call VE scummy after who had stated he could not be scum in your opinion. Why would you call a player scummy if you don't think that player could be scum? I makes no sense if your town. But if your mafia it benefits you to cast doubt whenever you can. Oh and your vote on me was horsemanure i only ignored you because i didn't want to introduce another candidate. It seems a Kitaman lynch is off the cards and cosmic isn't mafia. Lynching a survivor does nothing to reduce mafia KP and it will let them get more shots off. ##vote DarthPunk I admit I have played terrible. But now is not the time to lynch people for that. | ||
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LOL I can't tell if you or I are going to look worse when I flip town. | ||
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On March 27 2013 12:58 cosmicomics wrote: Haha, me neither, since you know, dead people tend to look bad when they flip town ... lol you serious? The fact that people think I am scum means I Failed in probably the most important part of town play. Also. I have played like shit. So yeah I am going to look bad. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:09 kitaman27 wrote: dp, your number one mafia read in layabout suddenly comes up with a fake claim, wants to lynch you, and you buy into it? Why would you believe a word they say if you thought he was scum prior to the claim? Because there is absolutely ZERO reason for scum to fake claim right now. They are clearly winning. So why just throw away two scum members for no reason? It makes no sense at all for mafia to fake claim. It makes perfect sense for 3rd party to help town right now because we are in an awful position. That is why I believe the claim. No one should not believe the claim. Yourself and Ryo are basically claiming scum right now. ##Vote: Kitaman27 | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:21 kitaman27 wrote: Hey look, cosmic goes from a mafia read, realizes I won't be lynched, switches to a null read on me and a mafia read on DP, realizes that DP wants to lynch me, and now is back to a mafia read on me. How convenient. Wave, there was absolutely no reason for cosmic not to fake claim at this point. There was a 95% chance that he was getting lynched so he claims third party and tries to move the lynch elsewhere. If he is scum before, he is about to die and needs to find a way out of it, what reason is there to believe a word he says? It seems that all of a sudden you care a lot more than about the lynch than You have previously. I am pretty sure you are scum now kita. and if I am wrong. Well. I apologise. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Well fuck I wrote up a post and it got deleted. Essentially what layabout just said though was what I was getting at. I find the claim fairly believable actually since I don't see scum getting two mason roles while we only get one. Layabout does your role have a name as well? And as far as a kita lynch goes, it doesn't feel good to me at all...I gotta look into this. Just look at how he has flown under the radar. All his contributions have been giant crafted cases on townies or 3rd party. Also he never interacts with blazing hand ONCE this game. He defends his mason claim and taht's about it. He never mentions a read on BH at all DESPITE BH having such a large impact on the game. aside from one post defending BH's mason claim. he has no interaction or mention of BH until after the vig shot where he says BH was spammy and nice shot. I got One. Kita is scum. ##LYNCH: KITA | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:32 RyuSuzaku wrote: So, DP is really scum after all? loooool You are scum and you are next. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:41 kitaman27 wrote: Their fake claims don't even line up. cosmic claims that when one of them dies, they both die. layabout claims that he was town, was converted to third party, and would be converted back to town if cosmic dies. generally Mafia fake claims do not have all the perceived inconsistencies that this claim has. This claim makes no sense for scum. It makes sense for third party. Do I think that they win with town. NO. But I believe that they realise that without their help town loses. So for the moment it is in our mutual interest to work together. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:47 RyuSuzaku wrote: this is scum logic. Who claims 3 hours before deadline to save themselves? Scum. Who paddles back and forth between calling someone scum and voting someone else to simply live? Scum. Scum most probably has found an opportunity to win with mislynching town today. If scum lynches town and there are still 2 KP left then we're in a very bad spot. The argument "do I believe X wins with town? No" Should ALWAYS be followed by "thus I want to lynch X," yet we see here that miraculously DP has somehow come to the conclusion that we should not lynch this nontown player. I don't believe DP is stupid enough as town to do this, so he must be scum. No. that is bullshit. there are situations were it is in the best interest for town to work with third party. namely, when town is in the shit. At the moment lynching 'not town' doesn't cut it. We need to lynch mafia. and if you were town you would understand that. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:51 RyuSuzaku wrote: false. At any point where town can win, the only time it doesn't matter who you side with is when you've already lost, aka kingmaker. In all other situations it's optimal to lynch CONFIRMED NONTOWN. You are not this stupid, and if you truly are then in postgame I will make sure everyone knows how much of a noob you are. Obviously I am this stupid. If you are going to call me a noob at least do it without the veil of anonymity to hide behind. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:54 RyuSuzaku wrote: what the fuck are you talking about, we don't even know mafia counts. 1 mafia is dead, if mafia count is 5 and KP is rounded up then we need to kill TWO mafia to reduce KP. Unless, of course, you know more than I do. no. because if that was the case we lost a kp night one for no reason. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:57 kitaman27 wrote: Anyone find it amusing how cosmic and layabout had DarthPunk as their number one scum read, then DarthPunk suddenly decides to vote me, and they don't blink an eye swapping back to vote with their mafia read? I was being exceptionally useless. Then I ceased to be useless and they changed their mind. That is not scummy. | ||
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On March 27 2013 13:58 RyuSuzaku wrote: LOL guess you're not reading the thread. Remember when VE THE VET flipped last night? He claimed a shot night 1. Jesus. There was 2 KP last night, and we can reasonably assume there was 2 KP on n2 given that 4 players died and we can trace that to TPS and probably Vivax. Which means SCUM PROBABLY HAVE 2 KP. Fucking christ if you are town this is mind numbing. you KNOW I am town. | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:00 RyuSuzaku wrote: so you're making an assumption about the setup, or you know more than I do. Every normal I've ever played has been rounded up. So, are you claiming scum? you are ALSO speculating on the setup. | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes, I'm making an assumption about the setup. Where did the KP go night 1 if they had 3 to start? This. | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:05 RyuSuzaku wrote: How do we know they had 3 to start??! They could have 4 members, they could have 5 members and double stacked keirathi, they could have a recruiter for all we know. Same goes for the supposed missing roleblock. Making assumptions of the setup is a great way to lose the game even faster than we're losing already. says the guy who claims that there was a KP missing n1 There is only kp missing working under your assumption that there was 5 scum and KP is rounded up. I don;t believe a kp was missing. Therefore I don;t believe your assumption. God you are claiming scum so hard right now. | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:05 geript wrote: For the last time, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Any setup speculation is just that speculation. We don't know shit. I'm also pretty sure that the numbers work out either way. Anyways, I really need to sleep because I can't be late. Please vote kita. | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:25 RyuSuzaku wrote: yes. Look at how many players we've lost, we've only killed one scum. I think that if they get a mislynch now and one tomorrow we've probably lost. Also, it makes sense with regard to how they reacted to the situation. Their votes and stories have not stayed consistent. I would expect them to stay consistent if they were truly third party or town who are interested in defeating mafia with town. god you are full of it. | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:38 ThePeashooter wrote: One last thing before I go to bed. I would imagine the mafia are a much larger threat than the third party right now. I would keep that in mind with those saying we need to lynch the third party. To the mafia that's just one person closer to their objective of outnumbering the town, this is even more true if one death means multiple third party people die. I feel like I had another thing but my mind is drawing blanks, so I'm off to bed. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT VOTE KITA! | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:05 RyuSuzaku wrote: How do we know they had 3 to start??! They could have 4 members, they could have 5 members and double stacked keirathi, they could have a recruiter for all we know. Same goes for the supposed missing roleblock. Making assumptions of the setup is a great way to lose the game even faster than we're losing already. says the guy who claims that there was a KP missing n1 This is the post I was refuting. We were speaking in hypothetical s. You are scum and full of shit. I will do everything I can to lynch you after kita. | ||
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On March 27 2013 15:24 RyuSuzaku wrote: I don't see anything that was refuted. Who's making the assumptions again? It's in words-it's not me. the fact that it could have been 5 mafia rounded up. That's what I disagreed with. No point arguing with scum however. So I am going to ignore you from now on. | ||
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On March 27 2013 15:26 RyuSuzaku wrote: so you're ignoring the fact that someone could have been double stacked? hahahaha and you're trying to call me scum. Such fail. why the hell would someone double stack keir and not VE?!?!?!!? you are desperate to stop town realising the bad situation we are in. and you talk about assumptions while making them yourself. I'm not talking to you anymore. Feel free to keep abusing me. I will be vindicated because I KNOW you are scum. | ||
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On March 27 2013 15:37 WaveofShadow wrote: It appears as though cosmic is going down whether you like it or not DP. I think the most we're going to learn from this is from those who think cc is mafia rather than 3rd party, namely kita. I find it hard to believe that they are lying about the third party issue because that means cc essentially killed layabout if he flips red OR black, (especially since layabout can't seem to get his story straight as to what the role/recruitment means) and I can't see a reason for cc outing another member of his scumteam for essentially no reason. can you not see that Ryu and Kita are scum. Stop being so wshy-washy. Take a stand a place your vote ffs. | ||
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On March 27 2013 15:45 RyuSuzaku wrote: to any townies who are lurking right now or are considering switching votes or whatever, think about what I said about the recruiting mechanic. The mirror claims that he was basically just trolling VE when he told him he had a choice to join him or not. However, it doesn't make sense that cosmic and layabout would become lovers when connected. This has to be a lie, given that it actually is AGAINST cosmic's supposed wincon to connect to someone if that means there's now two ways to die. His claim actually makes literally no sense at all. It makes far more sense to consider instead that the recruiter is scum. Why? Well, a third party recruiter has the following HUGE problem: what happens if he recruits a scum? Either way, whether VE's description or cosmic's newer description of the role would basically break the game. I do not think a host would be allowed to create a setup in which a mafia member would be allowed to change his wincon because it creates a very very dirty situation. That mafia member would have to actively play against his previous wincondition, but then would have the identities of the other mafia. It just doesn't make much sense. A mafia recruiter eliminates all these problems. It also makes the claim make much more sense. The only thing we have to operate on is the fact that the claimer wants to live. Other than that we have no reason to believe the motivation. He's scum. The votes also put this into perspective. Why, if cosmic were truly interested in finding scum, would he act the way he did regarding both kita and DP? The votes changed as it convenienced cosmic: when cosmic realized that DP could be convinced and kita could not be, he swapped a second time. Look at that. He is implying that I am town here. after yelling that I am scum. THIS DUDE IS RED! | ||
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On March 27 2013 15:47 RyuSuzaku wrote: nope. it's what you WANT it to appear like. You're just harping on semantics. Saying no doesn't make it untrue. You are just trying to discredit anything and everything I say because I caught you and your buddy. | ||
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On March 27 2013 16:10 RyuSuzaku wrote: welp at least the bolded takes care of the mafia mechanic part, but fuck that's a weird ass role. good thing we lynched him today then. This was a bad lynch. We should have killed mafia. RYU IS SCUM LYNCH HIM. | ||
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On March 28 2013 13:31 WaveofShadow wrote: This is pretty stupid. We're going to lose two townies tonight who have not given us any information or any help since the lynch. Kita as for your above post, the issue for me essentially was that we could have afforded to leave cc alive for a little bit assuming we didn't mislynch and were absolutely certain to hit mafia. Of course they wouldn't have sided with town in the end, but at least it was possible to make him work for us given the right conditions. Since we didn't have any mafia to lynch though ultimately killing cc was the right decision but your premise for killing him was based on the fact that he was mafia, which he wasn't. Your cause to lynch cc and the outcome makes a lot of sense from a scum perspective as well, you see. Something about assuming they were lying just doesn't sit right with me. Layabout? Thoughts now that you're not 3rd party anymore? Christ it would be nice to hear from just about ANYBODY at this point. I'm currently preparing some thoughts of mine in case I'm killed tonight, though considering the way the last few nights have gone, I'll just get RBed since scum either think I'm useless or that they might still be able to get a mislynch onto me tomorrow. Read kita's and Ryu's filters and tell me what you think. Tell me what you think of kita's zero interaction with Blazing hand. | ||
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On March 28 2013 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Ryu is slightly more questionable but I don't think kita is scum; this hasn't changed for me. There are a lot of people who have not interacted with other people in the thread whatsoever either, just because BH-kita is one example does not make him scum. I don't see you having interacted with DYH at all despite you calling him scum. You also haven't interacted with Kenpachi. What does that mean? Yes I have interacted with kenpachi I called him stupid or something. and I haven't interacted with DYH because he has been such a negligible thread presence. Blazing hand was by kita's own admission a spammy player and had a major presence in the game. Kita QUOTES blazing hand and yet does not interact with him at all aside from backing his mason claim. Blazinghand was a MAJOR presence in the game and scum and kita's interaction or lack thereof is odd. Furthermore, kita has flown under the radar posting one giant post on a not scum every day. Ryu chainsaw defended kita to the extreme and came out of the woodwork as soon as kita's name was throw up as a lynch candidate. | ||
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Lynch Ryu and Kita. If Kita doesn't die tonight he is basically guaranteed to be scum. plus all the stuff with Blazinghand and flying under the radar. If Wave of Shadow doesn't die tonight he is scum and needs to be lynched. Zarepath, geript, glurio, TPS and test subject are all probably town. They are lynchbait and have been kept around for that very reason. DO NOT LYNCH INTO THEM! DO NOT LISTEN TO THE BULLSHIT THAT RYU IS SPEWING. Find out who WoS checked. See if it makes sense. I can almost guarantee that it will be zarepath. and that Either: Zarepath will die and flip green. Not die and WoS will get roleblocked. If you get a red check out of nowhere. DO NOT BLINDLY FOLLOW IT. It is most likely MYLO at that point. If you get a red check on Zarepath. LYNCH WoS. GLHF and GG kids <3 | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:01 RyuSuzaku wrote: Proof that DP is scum right here if he were reading the thread he'd know that test is basically confirmed for shooting BH. He's scum. I know he is confirmed town. Stop taking one thing. Deliberately misinterpreting it and then try to discredit everythign I say because of that. It is fallacious and plain wrong. | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:03 RyuSuzaku wrote: so how can confirmed town be lynchbait? You're pretty shitty at scum. The rest are lynchbait. He is town. I lumped him in the same group. Get out. | ||
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On March 28 2013 16:06 RyuSuzaku wrote: All I'm seeing is "I didn't read the thread and scumslipped. Oh fuck what do I do?!" It's not a scumslip. You are trying to discredit everything I say because you are scum. That is fine. That is your job as scum. It is so fucking transparent that you are scum. You are just shitting on everything I say and not being constructive. I hope town can see through your BS but I doubt they can. I will not engage with you further. Because, unlike you, my win condition is not progressed by crapping all over anything constructive. | ||
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On March 30 2013 16:33 WaveofShadow wrote: You also thought I was scum. How the hell did you know who I was going to target that night though? Before Zare every person I targeted was someone who I wasn't directly focusing on! Yeah. But I also told town to lynch Kita and Ryu, and to lynch you if you were still alive and claimed a red check on Zarepath. | ||
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On March 30 2013 16:34 geript wrote: He didn't know at all. He just thought you were scum and going to try and secure a mislynch. If you are scum fake claiming that is what I would have done. Claimed a red check on the person I had just made a gigantic case on at LYLO. The fact is zarepath was so incredibly obviously town that if you had claimed a red check on him it would have meant 100% you were lying. The fact that you did two nights in a row exactly what I would have done if fake claiming as scum and why you did that is something only you can answer. | ||
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On March 30 2013 16:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Where do you get two nights in a row? I barely mentioned Vivax at all and he was killed; it just so happened that my N2/N3 checks were both killed so even if I was roleblocked it wouldn't have mattered. I'm going through the scum QT now to try and get an idea of what was going on; it seems as though there were a lot of fuckups in general from both host and night action type stuff. Let me rephrase things. all your checks were bad in such a way that somehow when you should have been confirmed town beyond all argument you were in fact not shot and set up as a mislynch. | ||
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On March 30 2013 18:20 syllogism wrote: People need to stop dismissing night kill analysis. On TL mafia almost never kills to incriminate (not using the other word), let alone leaves someone alive to incriminate them, and Kita should have been basically autolynched d5, at the latest, based on who had been killed by that point. Of course, when I say autolynch, I don't imply that other evidence/context shouldn't be considered, but it's a very strong presumption. This. Kita should have been lynched after coag and VE were shot. The fact that a universally recognised 'Townie' who was providing analysis was still alive at that point was super suspicious. furthermore looking through kita's filter and the lack of interaction with blazinghand/flying under the radar meant kita was 100% absolutely scum. Town should have lynched kita over CC without a doubt, and it speaks volumes about everyone's play at that point that we didn't. | ||
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On March 30 2013 19:33 marvellosity wrote: Just a really really terrible lynch to finish the game. glurio? jeez. HAPPY BIRTHDAY! also. Listen to marv. | ||
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On March 30 2013 23:35 layabout wrote: I still don't get why glurio was lynched. I will write up some thoughts later but seriously, that made no sense. Basically town didn't read/think/ care enough. And just went with the easy lynch. I have never seen MYLO end with such a whimper. | ||
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On March 31 2013 09:43 Blazinghand wrote: FWIW I think the CC lynch was good for town. Town needs to kill 3p to win. No. It was a terrible lynch for town. Town needs to kill 3rd party EVENTUALLY to win. Town needed to kill mafia far more than third party at that point in the game. We should have used third party to lynch kita and or ryu and then lynched cc. | ||
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Lynching Kita>CC Or Kita>Ryu>CC in order to reduce scum KP was a far far better play. In the context of the game state Blanket statements like: There is no difference between lynching mafia or 3rd party whilst blatantly ignoring the state of the game is just ridiculous. There are situations where town and 3rd party recognize that town are so freaking screwed that 3rd party will help town. and vice versa. | ||
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Like the two most obvious scum in the thread were pushing a third party lynch hard. That is the time you don't lynch third party. | ||
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On March 31 2013 11:09 Ace wrote: Well then you've got to give the Scum team credit for claiming Scum and avoiding the lynch wagon. Then scream at the Townies who let it happen Yes. It was towns fault for not reading or caring and it was my fault for not being convincing enough or having enough thread presence to push two really obvious scum to get lynched. | ||
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On March 31 2013 13:55 gonzaw wrote: Was I the only one that hasn't read anything at all in the game but instantly knew Ryu was scum and DP town when they started arguing (before DP died)? Didn't read anything else about the game lol Can someone give me a run down of that "kita saved the day" thing about the Mirror claim? What exactly happened there (in short please)? <3 | ||
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