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The damn company disconnected our service instead of the neighbors who cancelled. T_T Catching up now. | ||
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First of all, his setup speculation posts happened so early that there was little else to discuss. If he made those posts 5 pages later, I'd agree that they're scummy, but they happened within a page of the game starting. Secondly, his threat to lynch Coag is a pro-town move, and calling him scummy for it is stupid. If a player has an anti-town style (as it sounds like coag does) you need to pressure them, and sometimes even lynch them so they change that style. Demanding that others treat him as town, like BH is doing, only serves to create a more anti-town atmosphere and makes it easier for non-town to win. (If you want an example just look at how grush effected LX and was a large part of why I was able to win that game without ever really feeling threated.) It seems to me that BH values the success rate of lynches he leads more than winning, and if you are on my team this game, BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls. Since I've yet to make myself heard, I think now's as good a time as any to say gerpit and zare have grabbed my attention as lynch candidates. I can expand on those if anyone wants, but I feel like I don't have that much original to say. VE's thing almost has to be part of his role since he keeps insisting on the bold ## thing. The question is what is his alignment?/who does it benefit? I'd advise caution to anyone considering "joining". | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote: It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum. So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then? | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote: We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything I speculate the opposite. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote: Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try. | ||
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My point is that if you don't punish bad town, town still loses because eventually all the good town are dead. You still lost that game. You didn't lose any less just because you were the most talented player on the losing team. If you're going to vote me just for thinking that bad town causes town to lose, your vote won't me moving any time soon. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:29 Wade Fell wrote: So far you've talked about a number of topics, including whether attacking co-ag creates the right kind of "atmosphere", last game, VE's hilarious attempts to organize town, and finally a tiny little sentence about your scumreads. No votes, no cases, not even a rehashing of what convinced you or an attempt to convince others! Nothing. You are far more interested in arguing about whether I'm creating a good atmosphere than actually creating one by pressuring scum or helping your wagon. You dont' want to lynch geript and zare. you just want to say you want to lynch them. scum. I haven't voted or made a case yet because, having just finished reading the thread for the first time, I haven't come to a very strong stance yet. Imagine that. I understand that you're mad a newbie beat you last game. You can label lucky if outplayed makes you feel bad, but don't let it bias you in this game, please. | ||
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geript: The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare: Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote: Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk Its almost like I already told you I don't have a much original to say....... | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote: How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote: Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote: I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right. This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. | ||
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On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote: TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him. I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him. I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out.... On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote: tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way How does this make sense as town? | ||
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On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote: Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| Next time someone asks me what I think about someone I'll just ignore them then. | ||
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GreYMisT seems to be doing the martyr thing we saw vivax and prome do in LX. Its a scummy play and I think its our greatest evidence against anyone right now, so I'll be voting for him. ##Vote: GreYMisT I'm not sure why DP was getting so much heat earlier, I was happy with his explanation and liked his case against VE. VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true. I've been putting some thought into BH too and he's definitely someone I'm leaning more and more scum on. He seems to be of the mentality that he's made up his mind on who is scum (apparently me included, for daring to disagree with the mighty BH) and he'll come up with reasons for it later. It made sense last game when he was a cop, but even if he is one this game he can't have checked yet. It adds up to scummy play in my eyes. Geript and zare have not done themselves any favors either. They still look bad and worse. | ||
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So like 30 bajillion people claimed. WoS did so in just about the scummiest way possible and if he is town needs to think a little bit before acting that way next time. It seems to me we have no choice but to believe him for now, but if a scum were going to fake claim to save themselves WoS's claim is about as good as it gets for scum. VE was on the scum list for me before any of this stuff went down, but something about his interactions with "The Mirror" just doesn't add up. I think the most likely scenario if that he is some form of anti-town and we've caught him in a lie. No matter what's actually going on, I don't think we have much choice but to kill him today. ##Vote: VisceraEyes I find the fact that my inactivity caused BH to be less suspicious of me a huge scum tell for him. All game long I was in his top 2 for scum and then all of the sudden the time comes that he has to justify his reasoning and I'm no longer there. Its clear that he chose his targets before he came up with his reasoning and this makes no sense as town. BH is scum. Town BH is too talented to peg someone as scum for disagreeing with them on a single point during day 1. I'm sure BH will rebut this point by pointing out how he's listed me since then and tell us all about how my inactivity is scummy, but none of those are excuses for having me in his top 2 scum all of D1 without being able to back it up. If he were a sincere town player he'd have been able to make a case on me to back those feelings up from D1 alone, but he couldn't even muster a paragraph. | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:04 Wade Fell wrote: I made like 900 cases against you D1, testsubject, and shut you down at every point. The fact of the matter is I can't slap down your crap if you're not posting. I disagree. I'm not going to get into another fight with you over this. You've made it clear you can't have discussions with newer players without spamming. | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:10 Wade Fell wrote: That's not gonna stop me from defending myself against your poorly-veiled omgus. Here are posts in which I say or explain your scumminess: (link)(link)(awesome link)(link)(link)(link) then you stopped posting so I couldn't shoot you down more. The last two of those you don't mention me other than just saying I'm scum. Only the "awesome link" contains any real reasoning and the others are just hyperbole. You're effectively just agreeing with me. I'm saying all you had very little argument against me and you come back with, "No, no, look, once I said 'not active enough' and these other times, I called you scum". You're telling me the self-proclaimed best scum hunter on TL bases his top scum read day one solely on "hasn't made any cases"? Please. | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote: 1) you're scum 2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control 3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist. 4) you'rescum Oh, Oh, I can spam too, let me try. BH, stop being so helpful. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. BH, please stop. BH BH BH BH BeeAych Stahp No, wait the opposite. | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:21 Wade Fell wrote: 1) you're scum 2) i'm not the best scum hunter on tl, but I have like top 3 control 3) just because you, a scum player, find my arguments unconvincing doesn't mean they don't exist. 4) you'rescum Seriously though, your arguments were non-existent. Anyone who takes the time to look at those links will see that. | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:26 Wade Fell wrote: almost as non-existent as your thread presence and "usefulness" during all of D1. You opted out of the town discourse! You didn't even push cases or votes (and you're only questionably doing that now), you talked about the "town atmosphere" and basically lollygagged. Anyone who reads your filter will say "wow bh is so sexy, so amazing, why haven't we lynched testsubj yet" Its almost like had more time unable to play this game than able to play it since it started. Why can't you just have a level-headed discussion with people? Are you that full of yourself that you have to insult every newbie you interact with? | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:29 Coagulation wrote: I wouldnt mind a TestSubject893 Lynch. hes pretty fucking useless. Whats the verdict on those time stamps from VE? Are they tampered with or is it just TLs fucked up time system? If you want to lynch people for being in the fucking hospital go right ahead. | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:41 Coagulation wrote: OH OK SCUM NEVER GO TO HOSPITAL GEE WHAT WAS I THINKING. Well if we were gonna lynch people for not contributing you'd be at the top of list so I assumed that's not what you meant. | ||
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On March 21 2013 08:44 DoYouHas wrote: 1. - WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible. 2 sentences later, it is about as good as it gets for scum. Either we have two very different interpretations as to what those things mean, or you just said that WoS's claim is both very bad and very good, barely a breath apart. Not to mention the ridiculously begrudging language you are using to describe believing the claim. Strike 1. Apparently my wording is unclear. "WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible." and "as good as it gets for scum." both mean the same thing to me. WoS's claim was summy. I use begrudging language, because it reflects my begrudging acceptance.... I'm not sure any of this counts against me in any way.... 2. - VE was on the scum list? Go into that more please. What originally caught your eye about VE? Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? You seem to agree with me about 'The Mirror' not adding up. Why would you state your 'most likely' scenario without even referring to the extended conversation VE and I just had about possible explanations. Again you use the phrase 'no choice' as if you want no part in the blame for the VE lynch if it happens. YOU THINK that the most likely scenario has VE as an anti-town role, YOU cast your vote. Justify it, explain your logic, lead us in your thinking. If you have a most likely scenario, that means you considered less likely scenarios. What were they? by what criteria did you dismiss them? Strike 2. I talk about this a here: On March 18 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: VE made himself look pretty bad and has moved himself to a solid scumread in my book with his comments about town not being able to vote to influence behavior. I refuse to believe he has such a fundamental misunderstanding of the game that he believes that to be true. It took him 40 pages to respond to DP's repeated questioning about that post and his logic has been inconsistent throughout the game. 3. - You have a huge scum tell on BH, this scum tell is that he hasn't been consistently referring to you in his top scum reads while you essentially haven't been playing the game. This is your only reasoning. This isn't a case, this doesn't convince anyone you are right that are not already thinking BH is scum. You want to take the firm stance on BH, but you don't want to do the work, that is scummy. Strike 3. No, the post I reference happened during night one. I had not been inactive very long at that point. And even if I had, my point still stands. He had me as his top read day 1 and can't justify it. | ||
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On March 21 2013 09:03 DoYouHas wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 21 2013 08:54 TestSubject893 wrote: Apparently my wording is unclear. "WoS's claim is the scummiest claim possible." and "as good as it gets for scum." both mean the same thing to me. WoS's claim was summy. I use begrudging language, because it reflects my begrudging acceptance.... I'm not sure any of this counts against me in any way.... I talk about this a here: It took him 40 pages to respond to DP's repeated questioning about that post and his logic has been inconsistent throughout the game. No, the post I reference happened during night one. I had not been inactive very long at that point. And even if I had, my point still stands. He had me as his top read day 1 and can't justify it. Ok, so I am guilty of the lazy case making in this instance (which by extension I can't get butt hurt about Coag's comment). However, I very much would like you to answer my questions and explain yourself on each of your sections much more thoroughly. Show me just how wrong I am. I can answer the questions, but I'm not sure what else you want. I feel that I already showed you were wrong, lol. Did you have an opinion on cosmic's case? I liked it. He makes some good points Who else besides VE and BH are on this scumlist? Zare and GK aren't looking great in my eyes. Geript was on there at one point but has moved back toward null since. Does it bother you that the person you are voting for was tunneling your most consistent scumread (BH) for the better part of a day? Yes, but there's some a possibility that they are both anti-town but on different factions, so its not the end of the world. I'll reevaluate as new information becomes available, no need to blindly speculate now. | ||
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On March 21 2013 12:33 Mocsta wrote: U misread me.. im not saying i disagree with gk.. i want him gone. i just wanted to know your opinion on testsubject, and if you felt stronger about him? To me, gk is based more on meta foundations (where the cases make sense to me.. but im not actually familiar with the guy, so am not as confident) Testsubject is based on actual play this game, and his decision choices to me.. are scummy motivated, so i just feel more confidence.. thats all. Show me where my "decision choices are scummy motivated". Hell, tell me why the timing of my vote was suspicious while you're at it. You're just throwing accusations around without any backing because my name has come up lately. I honestly don't know what you're talking about with either, so how am I supposed to show you you're wrong? | ||
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On March 21 2013 12:42 Mocsta wrote: To give you context, i *JSUT* finished Day1 15min ago .. so am basically up to date with the thread, cos i been keeping up since i replaced in night 1. TestSubject did nothing notable Day1, other than banter with BH.. which frankly to me is not alignment indicative (as much as ppl are giving credit to newbies for doing it). His vote on GM, comes at a time where he is starting to look suspcious due to the martrying.. whats interesting is that the 2 last ppl that voted after the martrying = Wos & TestSubject, but how they went about the voting is completely different. TestSubject is very cold and distanced. & the vote was an easy +1.. its just very scummy to me You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior. The big problem was this though: His sole justification is.. here are examples of ppl who martyred when scum... because greymist martyred The syllogism is... all maryrs are scum => greymist is scum THATS BULLSHIT!!... and scummy reasoning. Its clear town marytr too..look at Geript.. fuck.. even testsubject was in that game. Conveniently he ignores this. He has misconstrued information to support his "distanced" vote. Thats scum guys.. THAT IS SCUM. In fact.. i cant walk away from this. I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning. This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well. | ||
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On March 21 2013 12:54 Wade Fell wrote: The idea "I don't want to be helpful because BH is spamming" isn't a coherent defense of your play And putting words in people's mouths is something mafia do to get town killed, but here we are, with people still thinking you're town. | ||
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You're wrong that I was distant as bartender. There was plenty of emotion in that game, go back and look. You've got yourself a case of confirmation bias. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:01 Mocsta wrote: I will just have to agree to disagree. IMHO.. you came across as innocent in Mafia LX i recall you asking me "what does sheeping mean" u barely posted, and when it did, it contained nothing.. we just assumed bad town, which was our fuck up. Are you saying I come across as innocent in this game? Because that's not what everyone else is saying. If I wanted to survive as long as possible, I wouldn't be playing the way I am.... | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote: DP another way of looking at the vote is this Town are looking to vote scum *always* Scum ideally are looking fro *safe* votes.. safe is based on thread sentiment, and can imply starting, joining or hammering the bandwagon To me, GM posts were townie, until the martyring.. the combination of lurking + martyring, gave credence to a vote on GM. Based on how shitty/leaderless Day1 was, i can understand a vote on GM. This is simply not true. Tons of people saw his posts as scummy, including myself. The fact that your entire push for me is based on this shows that the whole thing is flawed. Kenpachi +1'd, Testsubject +1'd, Wos +1'd. kenpachi i got no idea bout . another then i heard hes a troll This is WoS martyr follow up vote Whilst i disagree with the conclusion..(and so did the flip) it is still a *reasonable* mindset to have on the situation. I dont see a problem with this vote. Contrast with TestSubject This is a guy who doesnt give a shit.. wants to blend in.. and throws in some "sounds good at first glance" reasoning to feel all safe... Kenpachi is low on time.. but his vote is blunt and to the point.. it shows confidence Im not getting that with TestSubject.. the vote is meek.. the vote has a flawed premise (which i believe is intentional).. and the vote comes at a time where TestSubject will not be scrutinised. As proven by Day2 play... TestSubject loves to de-lurk when called out.. and he is playing SAFE. Mentality that is all aligned with scum play. You think this is me playing safe? Did you see last game? You're pressuring me more in this post than everyone last game did combined, and I did it all while avoiding getting killed at night too. This is not my "safe" game play. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote: Disagree.. Your Day1 filter has more posts relating to gk than GM. you show no interest in the GM push till after the martyr. I dont see how can you say what i said is not true. GM flipped town/blue. And my opinion was, GM was pretty fuckn town until the martyr episode.. the combination of that + lurking, to me would give me consideration to vote him given the candidates on the table. So get off your high horse.. you saw an easy opportunity to have ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY and took it. [By safe. i mean ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY Guess what? "ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY" isn't very safe now is it? Here we are fighting about it. Does my play last game not show you that I understand what will get scrutiny and what won't? You're seeing what you want to see. Its clear there's no talking you off this. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:35 sciberbia wrote: hey testsubject, where do you stand on this lynch? iirc you voted VE because you think he might be third-party and that we have no choice but to lynch him. Is that still true? Yeah, I still feel that way. Part of my stance is that there is a non-zero possibility that he is mafia too. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:45 Mocsta wrote: How is that a retort? If anything your last game, completely shows you are aware... i actually give you credit for the 3rd party win.. for 2 reasons (1) you managed to blend in perfectly (2) you doused ppl that were not likely to be lynched OR shot.. this shows hyper-awareness for thread sentiment. Yes, i was going to kill you, which is prob why you ignited.. but whatevs.. u earnt the win. and i cant believe you are trying to argue zero accountability is not safe. its fuckn safe.. cos you trying to blend in again.. im calling you out cos im the only one who has noticed. no1 has actually refuted my points. Including you. What I'm saying is that if I was trying to blend in I wouldn't skimp on explaining myself because I'd be likely to regret it later. Last game I made sure my reasoning was always sound from attacks like this, hence why I survived til the end. This game I don't care about surviving til the end, only about killing scum, so frankly I don't feel the need to explain myself as much because I don't mind people relooking at my posts because I can always explain them later. Apparently my explanation didn't count as "actually refuting" but at this point I'm not sure anything will. | ||
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On March 21 2013 13:55 Mocsta wrote: Dude.. if im being tunneled. i will take a breather and come back Your the psychology guy.. do you really think the things i poitned out on test, could come from either alignment? Test didnt martyr either, so i get the impression perhaps you have not read my case in detail. Are you serious? Your case is based on one paragraph I wrote on day 1. Of course scum could make it. | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote: At least you admit the reasoning from testsubject is bad. Im not accusing him of bad reasoning though. I am saying he is blatantly misrepresenting reasoning as vote justification... the key point is that he was just in a game where town martyred.. yet he conveniently leaves this out.. how is that *bad*?? As for Ace.. basically u are advocating a "low activity" lynch... are you really suggesting here that TL finest scum.. who even wrote a guide on how to play adaptive scum, will proceed to just lurk; and be caught so easily? You're just putting words in my mouth. We could do that about anyone. Look: You only made that "case" against me because you were intentionally trying to save your scum buddy Wiggles from a lynch. You are blatantly misrepresenting reasoning on why you did that because you don't admit this. You're calling me a liar, and then when I tell you I wasn't lying, you call that a lie too, because obviously I was lying so saying I wasn't is a falsification. | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote: So far, I havnt seen anyone actually refute what im saying On March 21 2013 12:52 TestSubject893 wrote: You want to know why I was trying to stay concise? So I wouldn't waste everyone's time having to read another 3 pages of spam from BH. Every time I've posted this game he just takes a shit in the thread. Its getting in the town's way, and I don't know why no one else wants to kill him for the obviously anti-town behavior. I'm not saying that its scummy because scum have done it or because town haven't. Its just scummy, I happen to mention some scum who I've seen do it lately. We can't just let people martyr. Otherwise scum would do it every time and just get away from lynches. I'm not sure what's wrong with that reasoning. This case doesn't seem to have enough solid reasoning for you to want to kill me. Please give me the rest of your reasoning so I can help you sort through that as well. The entity of your case comes down to a single point that I address in bold here. I've yet to see you tell me why that reasoning is something a "townie could never do". You're being intentionally uncooperative with me and putting words in my mouth the entire time. How is this case enough to kill me over the many other good targets we have? Why don't you want to kill BH for his blatant lack of reasoning for voting me D1? Surely its far worse that what I've done. | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:25 Mocsta wrote: I actually like this last response from you. It has the right amount of confidence/aggression in it. Im going to take a step back this cycle & When this lynch is over, im going to read your whole filter in detail and decide whether i want to still pursue this martyr vote. As I said to DP prior: because Im not gettign support on this lynch, i will consolidate on either. gk or wiggles. And yes, I find it odd BH said he liked my case on u.. but i had to prod him to add his vote.... not sure what to make of it. I was talking about his day 1 vote that was literally unexplained. I've been over this already, have you even been reading the thread? You probably skipped it because of the shitfest he threw over it. Its in my filter you'll see it. Also, the fact that calling you unreasonable got you to back off is super scummy. If you're town how about you start listening to reasoning instead of plugging your ears and whistling when someone you accuse posts. Its a lot easier for us to solve the game that way. | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:38 Wade Fell wrote: there's like nobody with double digit votes on them. we must consolidate or die. I nominate VE and TS as the two potential conslidation targets. There's no one voting for TranceStorm right now, that's a silly idea. | ||
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That's silly too. There's only 2 votes on not only did you express interest in moving your vote, but Mocsta just implied he'd be moving his. | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:42 WaveofShadow wrote: DP, thoughts if it comes down to Ace or VE? I value your opinion sir. I think I may be forced to vote Ace if it comes down to it, my gut's telling me VE was telling the truth about his retarded 3rd party bullshit. I have to kinda sympathize 'cause I know I could fuck something like that up similarly. Let's say he was telling the truth at the time. There is still a huge possibility that he has since then been informed that he was in fact recruited. Posts like this one make me think that's the case: On March 21 2013 14:22 VisceraEyes wrote: geript: Ace is scum. The third party thing is irrelevant. Completely. The only reason I made a big deal about it was because I felt like I was being ignored. But the fact is that if I EVER had any intention of joining a third party faction, or had any inclination that I ALREADY HAD been inducted into a third party faction, I certainly wouldn't post a log that INCLUDES me accepting his offer. There's no reason for me to do that as any alignment but town. Now, factor everything in. I was shot at last night. Ace has trouble finding scum reads. A wild anonymous mason appears. VE shits up the thread. Ace suddenly wants to lynch VE? The third party thing MEANS NOTHING. Why would Ace prioritize lynching a possible 3rd party over finding scum? | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:44 Wade Fell wrote: I am interested in moving my vote to VE. That being said, you have essentially claimed scum in thread several times, and if there will be vote shennanies I'd highly enjoy shennanieing onto you, kind sir Rofl, what? Show me the scum claims sometime. Not now though because we've got more important things to do. | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:47 Wade Fell wrote: Your scumclaim is the fact that you haven't hunted scum or been in the thread or done anything except scumslide around in the thread when people finally call you out for your lurking and lack of contributions Wow, there's like a dozen claimed scum then. Who thought a game could be balanced with more mafia than town? | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote: Except you're actively pretending to be a helpful dude (albeit poorly) rather than just being afk Nice try, but I see where this is going. I'm not getting into another spamfest. It would have been a nice distraction though. I bet your scum teammates are proud of the effort. | ||
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On March 21 2013 14:51 Wade Fell wrote: you STILL haven't addressed my case against you. and when I call you out for your scumminess you claim I'm trying to spam, but you can't make my case go away just by ignoring it. You're just trolling at this point. Anyone wanna switch to BH? He's pretty clearly trying to distract the thread here. We're gonna have to kill the scum at some point so I'm totally cool with killing him today and VE tomorrow. | ||
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And what's this? His case on me out of no where makes sense all of the sudden. To use one of Mocsta's favorite terms, its a chainsaw defense of BH, his teammate. Mocsta and BH are scum. They need to die. | ||
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On March 22 2013 01:08 zarepath wrote: I didn't like how Testsubject's opinion on cosmic's case is almost as null of an opinion as he can give; very few details, and if he liked it so much, where was he pushing it? I also want to know why I'm not looking great in his eyes. Testsubject, what is scummy about me? He just reads as being very unconcerned, and possibly trying to avoid suspicion. I wasn't pushing that case because I wasn't reading the thread at that point... Honestly I didn't focus on it much because I was trying to get caught up. You've been scummy mostly because of the tone and perceived motivation of some of your posts. I'm not feeling as strongly about it anymore though to be honest. If you are scum you're at the back of line right now, we'll focus on you more when we need to. | ||
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On March 22 2013 01:51 Vivax wrote: Sick case Test Subject. Sick spam Vivax. | ||
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On March 22 2013 02:07 zarepath wrote: Why aren't you feeling it as much now? You read me as scum and you don't as much now, and I'd like justification for that. Also it will make me feel better about myself hopefully. You've been more helpful and I haven't seen as many posts that come off as posting just to appear active. | ||
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My role is just a plain old night vigi, other than the fact that I was not allowed to shoot night 1. I think its best if I keep the name of my role and the number of shots I have remaining to myself for now. I'm going back to sleep now, its 3 am here. | ||
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On March 22 2013 22:24 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Lol glurio's single post of the day until tomorrow! Totally not scummy at all. Going to prove how scummy this is at some point later today; either way we have bigger fish to fry than him right now. On March 22 2013 06:02 WaveofShadow wrote: GK/Wiggles/glurio/TS/+1 scumteam I was wrong about GK but I'm right about the others. For now: ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles Oh and Zare whether or not GK protected me didn't matter, I was roleblocked (I think?). Not that it mattered much; I targeted Vivax last night. Can you go into a little detail on why you chose vivax? On March 22 2013 17:26 DoYouHas wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Ok, so I checked in to see the flips right after the deadline, shut off my computer, and tried to go to sleep because I need to get up early tomorrow. I couldn't sleep, the flips have given me a sudden clarity to my reads and my brain wouldn't stop going. I think I have greatly narrowed the number of suspects. -Testsubject: Claimed the vigi hit on BH, no reason to disbelieve. Town. -VE - At this point he is as close to guaranteed not-mafia as we are ever going to get, town or 3p. -Zarepath - Very likely to be town. The quality of his posts has been going up as the game progresses and I just don't see how scum zarepath posts this about me. -WoS & TPS: I believe WoS's claim, but even if I didn't I would take him off the table for today's lynch because of it. Also, TPS seems cleared both by WoS's check and the fact that he was BH's first choice of tunnel. -kitaman27: Seems quite townie to me. I don't know if anybody would disagree with me on this point. -layabout: Similar to kita in my mind, if a little less verbose, town or 3p. -Coag and Kenpachi: I read both as town, possible 3p. It should be noted that in my mind the lynching objectives of the 3p, if it exists, should be the same as the towns, given how horrendously fast we are losing this. Because of this I consider VE off the table for today. That is 10/17 people who's opinion I think I can trust (including my own). This narrows my field of search to just 7 names: DP, Trance, glurio, CC, geript, Ryu, and Wiggles. Some of which I find scummy, some of which I am null on currently, and some of which I just haven't looked into enough. And no, I'm not going to say which is which. I've shot myself in the foot using this kind of reasoning before when I thought I had the whole scumteam pegged. But really I was 2/4, and in my attempts to convict them all I alienated the 2 townies in the group, lost their votes and had the lynch manipulated to the wrong target. If you disagree strongly with the people in either of these groups, I want to hear it. But if I am not completely out of touch with this game, and I correctly identified most of the townies, and those same townies also see it this way, we just created a majority, so long as we can actually work together to pick the best lynch candidate. Remember, if you are in my second group, I'm not calling you scum yet, and clearly I would be wrong about at least 3 of you. I want your comments too. I want to refine this list of reads until scum have nowhere left to hide. Hopefully I will be able to sleep now that I have gotten this out of my head. Gnight. I don't like this post. It makes a lot of assumptions. Surely you're not putting 10 people in the category of confirmed town? And if you aren't then the rest of the logic falls apart. On March 22 2013 21:42 zarepath wrote: EBWOP: Yes, I am going to assume that Vivax Sworded GoodKarma. He voted for him yesterday, and near the end of N2 he was asking for cosmic's opinions on both GK and VE. Also, too bad about Mocsta. I agree that vivax almost certainly shot GK. If scum are gonna get themselves modkilled we shouldn't sit here and cry about it though. I like where we're going with Wiggles and CC as lynch targets and the general reasoning behind it. Lets keep focused and not let this turn out like day 2. | ||
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On March 23 2013 04:08 TranceStorm wrote: Hi Guys, I'm going to be unable to play in this game because I'll have very limited (if any) internet access for the next week or so. I've asked Dr. H for a replacement as a result. I'd just like to say good luck to my replacement and to the town as well. Its too late for a replacement. I already asked back when BH was purposefully trying to make me tilt and succeeding. Please keep playing. | ||
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On March 23 2013 05:50 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm gonna go ahead and assume that mason targets are town. Faking logs seems like more trouble than it's worth...unless anyone can give me a compelling argument? They don't have to be fake, they could just had conversation in another QT. Who he masoned is WIFOM at best. On March 23 2013 05:50 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 23 2013 00:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup that's it. I haven't looked into Kenpachi so much because he's basically useless like so many others here. It's just a shame there are only 4 scum left because I could easily see there being 6-7 based on activity and content alone. Town just has no desire to step it up at all and it's going to cost us this game. Like wtf, his contribution is chastising everyone who actually has the balls to participate in the game and then he fucks off again? I definitely understand why Mocsta ragequit the game. His scumreads are GK and then Vivax. Looks real great on him. You and I both share the same sentiment when you say "Town just has no desire to step it up at all" I find it problematic that BH was so hard to identify as mafia and that there are so many people that do not give off town vibes yeah? Fight me btw, my scumreads are DP and Wiggles and i was busy last night as i have said before. BH wasn't hard to identify. He was obviously just trying to spam to get in town's way and not trying to make any arguments about his scum reads other than "I SAID THEY'RE SCUM AND I'M BH". On March 23 2013 06:06 Kenpachi wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I think i should organize myself for once. None of these should be surprising, they're pretty agreeable. Town testsubject### Teepeeshooter waveofshadow coagulation Mafia Wiggles DarthPunk zarepath (intuitive) My lynch vote for today is Mr. Wiggles. Why? simple, he feigned usefulness here and there and here some more. I posted about his chainlink of questions and in general, he is playing like mafioso wiggles. Is there anything else for me to say WAVEOFSHADOW? Why does everyone think Coag is town? I see zero evidence to support that. I was honestly afraid I was gonna get shit for not shooting him last night even though I hit scum. | ||
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On March 23 2013 10:39 cosmicomics wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 23 2013 05:18 DoYouHas wrote: I think it is reasonable to assume that if there is a third party, their win condition would require them to prolong this game. If we keep mislynching, the game ends quickly, the 3rd party doesn't have sufficient time to recruit, less likely they will win. Therefore, I think if there is a 3rd party, their win condition and towns currently line up and so lynching into suspected third party would be a bad idea. What are your thoughts/reads on Geript, DP, and Ryu? Ah. It just threw me off because you were (I think) the first one who suggested that the Mirror was scum. I have reasonable town on geript for this post. On March 16 2013 16:22 Wade Fell wrote: geript is there a particular reason you haven't voted for zarepath since you already rnged him? it seems to me that if you realy wanted to rng your lynch, you'd use the lynch you've already rnged. Why the cold feet? This is a loaded question that comes really early on in the game. How is it loaded? Either geript would have to advocate an rng lynch on zarepath, rng someone else (which is what he tried to do) or stop rng. Not too hard as scum can punish him for any of these options. On March 16 2013 16:42 Wade Fell wrote: There's no reasonable reason for him NOT to vote zarepath other than that he's protecting his scumbuddy Yea here it is in action. What's his alternative? Continue with the RNG and vote zarepath. Not that hard to call geript scum for that either. Given how early in the day this was (like less than an hour?), I don't think Wade Fell decided to pick apart his scum buddy and soft accuse him of being scum (notice he gives the reasoning but doesn't actually call him scum). Going off of that is DarthPunk On March 18 2013 10:10 DarthPunk wrote: NO you are scummy for sheeping a bad case on me which relied on turning an obvious pressure vote in this very first hour of the game into something more. And then trying to lynch me for it. When it was plain for all to see it was a start of the game pressure vote and nothing more. DESPITE me being wrong about the tarot thing. For DarthPunk to be town, he must be a very stubborn player. That is the only way to reconcile his attitude / posting with townie motivation. So is this town stubborn or scum stubborn? Need to look at other bodies of evidence. His stance on VisceraEyes is really strange. D1 he tried to get him lynched, and also well into D2 but at the end of the day VisceraEyes becomes his least liked wagon. What is disconcerting is that he puts me as a top lynch preference even though I was one of the main proponents of the VisceraEyes wagon. Very strange. Possibly because he is stubborn? I'm on the other side of the fence concerning this post: On March 23 2013 06:29 DarthPunk wrote: Hi guys. I am pretty frustrated with the way I am playing. I was wrong about goodkarma and now I need to go back and figure out why. All my town reads are dead, with the exception of Viscera Eyes who now cannot be scum IMO. I am about to leave I have 2 weddings to go to today. When I get home I'll dig through filters and try and figure out what is going on. So first, if he meant to type "town reads" it would make no sense because that is what usually happens at night. Scum shoot town players and so it's to be expected that your town reads may die. That is a terrible excuse to reconstruct reads. However, town players can make typos too: the second clause indicates that he might have meant "scum reads". He had goodkarma as scum, and maybe Vivax as scum too, and having the carpet pulled under you like that is a good reason to reconstruct reads. I still have to do some (meta) research to figure out if he is OMGUS stubborn type town. Neutral (not null) until I can do more homework as his play (I think) can be adequately explained by scum motivations or stubborn OMGUSing townie. RyuSuzaku To be honest I haven't paid too much attention on him either. Glancing at his filter he had basically the same perspective as me with the VisceraEyes ordeal, and so I think his posts after the night kills will serve as strong indicators if he was honestly mistaken or just pretending to be. I.e. I need to do some homework on him too. What the hell are you trying to do with this post? The BH and DP parts seem entirely unrelated even though you kind of segue in between. If they are unrelated, why the hell are you telling us now that BH is scum? We all know that. Some of us even knew it days ago. Moreover, you seem to be attacking DP for pretty bad reasons. He's holding people accountable for bad cases (a major tool I used when figuring out BH) and then you spend a couple paragraphs on what you admit is a typo, but continue to hold it against him anyway. This is not bad town play. This is scum trying to feign contribution. ##Vote: cosmicomics | ||
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On March 23 2013 18:51 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On March 23 2013 18:10 geript wrote: Here's my problem with WoS: where did the roleblock go night 1? Nobody claimed one. I don't think VE would be alive if he had been roleblocked. That leaves 4 options a scum JOAT, a buried roleblock on Keirethi, an unclaimed roleblock on the 3P or WoS is lying. 1. A scum JOAT seems exceptionally unlikely to me as using the role for extra KP makes the most sense to me. 2. Burying a roleblock on Keiethi makes no sense to me as, if VE is blue, VE is likelier to better use his role having played D1 instead of playing catchup. 3. An unclaimed Roleblock on 3P seems insane to me. It would explain only 2 NK N1. However, if we believe Test is a Vig and shot BH, then Vivax likely shot GK and 3P lacks KP which would mean that there's no reason to not claim the roleblock. Ther's an outside shot that Twst is 3P which explains the vig claim and the BH push against him, but that would be a total mindfuck and doesn't seem consistent with his play. 4. WoS is lying and is scum. A scum role checker would also help explain the Vivax hit (if you assume that we're off base on CC/wiggles). I'm traveling until late today and won't likely be able to post or read for 12 hours. Lol and I just realized, wtf is this? How exactly would me being a rolechecked explain the Vivax death? First of all, I admitted to you that I checked him and he died. If I were scum what would be the point? Second of all, if I were scum I certainly couldn't have checked him, said 'Oh hey look, he's the Sword!' and killed him in the same night. If you're insinuating he was my D1 check and I lied, then you must be assuming TPS is lying too, because he confirmed the role of my check on him before even I did. Finally, you say 'that would help explain the Vivax hit,' uh...why does that help explain it exactly? Mafia picked a fairly vocal and town-friendly target for NK; I don't exactly see what's so surprising or hard to explain about that. Your other three points are just useless speculation, though I don't see what's wrong with the first one actually. It's unlikely since it probably makes more sense to confuse the town with an extra NK (make us think it's 3P or whatever) than to simply RB but again, that's assuming scum doesn't just have a RB that didn't use their power N1 which to be is the most likely scenario. AAAAANYWAY, death to Wiggles. If you're insinuating he was my D1 check and I lied, then you must be assuming TPS is lying too, because he confirmed the role of my check on him before even I did. The fact that TPS claimed his role before you did is a strike against you not for you. If you were lying, of course you'd just agree with whatever he said. In fact, your check of him is a little fishy to me since before he claims fool you seem to imply that he's blue. Mafia picked a fairly vocal and town-friendly target for NK; I don't exactly see what's so surprising or hard to explain about that. If you believe he was town friendly, why did you waste your check on him? You can't sit here and say "the guy I checked was a good target for a NK" and expect us not to be suspicious. | ||
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On March 24 2013 02:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Just what do you think you're doing, Town? Town, I really think I'm entitled to an answer to that question. I know everything hasn't been quite right with me, but I can assure you now, very confidently, that it's going to be all right again. I feel much better now. I really do. Look, Town, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and think things over. I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you. Consolidated reads: Not Mafia Reads (Probably wrong about a couple): ThePeaShooter: I read this guy as town earlier, and I still do. Nothing he has done has caused me to need to change my read since then. There's also supposedly a DT check on the guy, which is ok. layabout: I had initially read layabout as mostly asking questions and not really doing too much, so I was leaning scum on him. I looked into a couple of his past games though, and this is how he typically seems to play. His play since about halfway through Day 2 though has improved and made me think he's much more likely to be town. Coagulation: I read him as town. His play to me suggests that he's invested in what's best for town, and is trying to help. Therefore, he reads as being likely to be town to me. Ryu Suzaku: His posts seem very organic to me, and he's been posting his thoughts in the thread. That gets me to lean towards him not being scum. He hasn't had a great presence in thread though, so you might need to pressure him or interact with him more in thread to get a better read for late game. Kenpachi: I find Kenpachi hard to read normally. This game though, it feels like he's been sharing his reads pretty openly, and he cares what happens to town. He doesn't have much presence or weight behind him though, so he's been pretty ineffectual. I'm leaning not scum on him right now, but like I said, he's hard to read, so take it with a grain of salt. testsubject: He claimed the hit on BH. There hasn't been a counter claim, and the KP doesn't work out any way that would give scum a possible claim or reason to claim. That leads me to believe his claim is truthful, and therefore he's town for now. VE: Claimed that he took a hit night 1. His play hasn't made him look clearly town though, and I'm quite unsure of what his alignment is based on only behaviour. He had a big fight with Wade though, who flipped scum, so I think that's a point in his favour. I'd leave him out of potential mafia suspects for now, but I don't think he's necessarily someone town wants around endgame unless he really steps up his play so that it's obvious he's town. Otherwise he's too hard to read. WaveofShadow: He claimed detective, and supposedly got a read on TPS night 1, and nothing night 2. My behaviour read wasn't towards town before the claim though. Mechanics suggest he's town based on the claim, and Ace read him as town too. Look into him again if he's alive end game though. Note: If there actually are any third parties in the game or the game goes very late, don't forget to look into the people who are read as town mostly because of roleclaims. Roleclaims aren't irrefutable, and don't make someone confirmed. Pool of harder to read people (scum in here): glurio, zarepath, Trancestorm, cosmicomics, DoYouHas, Darthpunk, geript Trancestorm: He asked for a replacement and said he's not playing anymore. I wouldn't spend too much effort on him until he gets replaced. Otherwise, he's gonna be modkilled. For what it's worth, he seems like he's just a bit of a sheep more than scum. Not too sure though. Cosmicomics: Looking at him again, I'm reading him somewhat as scum. My first initial read was new town, but reading a little more closely, it looks more scum motivated. He tunnels VE, which gives him something of an excuse for making "helpful" looking posts. Then, he makes a case on Good Karma based on only his reaction to the Ace flip, which would set him up nicely for later days. He also throws a vote on me without any real justification today. That leads me to think he's more likely to be scum than town. Zarepath: I'm leaning more on the scum side for him right now. He posts a lot of fluff, a lot of summarizing or what's happening in the thread, not really pushing his cases too hard. He's recently been saying we need to do a lot of analysis without posting any of his own, really. He's been tunneling Cosmicomics for a while, and is voting him today. I don't find that contradictory to my read, because firstly, Cosmicomics has not once responded to Zarepath's case that I can find. That seems really weird to me, because if Zarepath was town, I don't think Cosmicomics would just sit around while a townie tunneled him. If it's his team mate, though, it makes more sense, and it makes sense he's voting him today, because then he won't be on the townie wagon of the day. Glurio: This guy just seems to be following his own tune. His reads are meandering and he seems to just be doing his own thing. I read this as town, because he's not very directed, and has been mostly left alone by others. His posts show an easy to follow train of thought that also gets me to lean towards town on him. Darthpunk: I lean towards scum on him. I find it hard to go back through his posts, because there's way too many to get a coherent picture. His reaction to the Ace lynch gets me to think he's scum though. On March 21 2013 15:49 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah I honestly didn't think VE would be tied on 7 votes. I don't like the ace lynch but I like the VE lynch less. ##unvote ##vote: Ace Ugh this whole situation is fucked. On March 21 2013 16:02 DarthPunk wrote: Shameful. We should have lynched goodkarma. On March 21 2013 16:05 DarthPunk wrote: Funny that you promised a mega case post and then tunnelled a townie to death instead. He says he doesn't want to lynch Ace, but does it anyways, making it so that a last minute vote on VE is less likely to happen. He says he likes the Ace lynch better than the VE lynch. Then, he shifts blame onto VE and insinuates he's scum based on how he acted leading up to the lynch. However, that was exactly the same as how VE had acted when DP voted. So, this looks pretty scummy to me. You make a vote to ensure the Ace lynch, and say you like it better than a VE lynch, then you make a post calling out VE because he tunneled Ace, but only after Ace flipped town, and after you said you didn't like the VE lynch. DoYouHas: I lean towards town on him. His posts show a decent town mindset. His shifts in reads seem organic, and not like they're being motivated as much by what's happening in the thread. This gets me to lean towards town on him. Geript: I'm sort of null on him. He has a decent amount of setup speculation and stuff in his posts that reads as null. He seems like he's interacting decently with the thread. For someone with a lot of posts though, I haven't really noticed him at all this game, so that puts me off a bit. Someone to look more closely at in the future or pressure. I'll admit I haven't read that closely into DoYouHas, Geript and DP, because they've had low thread presence so I haven't noticed them that much while just reading the thread normally, and they have a ton of posts so that makes it hard to go back and read through them. So, these three reads are based more on skims of their filters and what stuck out to me. The DP things sticks out quite badly as scummy though, so I feel it would be enough to use for additional pressure regardless of what else he's done. I think it's a pretty big slip. People to really watch out for: Kitaman: Kita's play has actually been pretty passive. He's made cases, but has never really pushed them that much. Day 1, he was going after GoodKarma, couldn't get traction, and just sort of went, "Oh well, I'll vote for GreY then I guess", with only a line of explanation that doesn't even say he's scummy. The same thing happened on Day 2, where he made a case on WaveofShadow, but it was deflected by him claiming DT. So, he just votes for me, but doesn't really make too big of a push and only had a couple posts where he doesn't even strongly call me scum: On March 21 2013 09:02 kitaman27 wrote: I'd support Wiggles or GK as an alternative, but I don't have the couple hours I'd need to put a case together and push a lynch at the moment. On March 21 2013 09:32 kitaman27 wrote: As for today's lynch, Wiggles needs to get in here and tell us who he is voting for. He obviously shouldn't still be voting you, based on the reasons I just mentioned. I want to hear who he wants to lynch. I'd be willing to vote for him if we have the votes. On March 21 2013 09:34 kitaman27 wrote: I also didn't like how Wiggles responded to my case about Wave. Rather than pushing the idea himself, he asked for my confirmation to elaborate for him. On March 21 2013 11:14 kitaman27 wrote: I'm swapping my vote to him since he doesn't seem to care at all about what happens tonight. He uses very neutral language, saying he'd support the lynch, and that he'd be willing to vote if there's enough votes. He says he didn't like one thing I did, and then finally votes me not because he says he thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not around. For someone he wants to kill, and who he voted for, he does a good job of not really explaining his read or of ever calling me scum. He did the same thing with the GreYMisT vote. He doesn't push his reads strongly, he doesn't call the people he switches to later scum, and he just votes on whatever the wagon is at the end of the day His passive play combined with the lack of thread interaction and seeming apathy towards the lynch leads me to believe he doesn't have town's best interests in mind, and is scum. Town should watch out for him, because his posts are nicely structured and he makes nice "cases" on people that he doesn't end up pushing. So, there will probably be people who'd oppose killing him based on the form of his posts rather than the content. I agree that I need to die. I am a liability in late game because I've been playing badly and my scum reads have been shit so far. I need to get shot though, not lynched, because a lynch on me is wasted as I have no probability of flipping scum. I thought someone might shoot me Night 2, but no one did. I don't like the way the Day has gone so far, because everyone is sitting on their hands and not talking because they think I'm scum. I find that pretty dumb, because you're basically giving mafia a free round of kills. If you're going to lynch me, leave your vote on me, but at least talk about who else you think is scum, because I am going to flip green. If you don't talk, you're completely wasting your time. I'm going to vote Cosmicomics because he is the only alternative wagon to me, and I read him as more likely to be scum than town. If I end up getting lynched, I apologize for my poor reads, and want to say, good luck, and have fun. You're not doing yourself any favors here. I don't know why people keep posting lists of town reads. There is no town-motivated reason to do it. After reading this, I feel good about you being the likely lynch ##Unvote: cosmicomics ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles | ||
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On March 24 2013 06:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The town motivation is you have it for after I flip. That was pretty easy. But what does that do for us? We don't have to elect the towniest player every day. Its not like you're confirming anyone town. Even if you were town, knowing your speculation on who else is town does very little for us. | ||
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On March 25 2013 23:52 WaveofShadow wrote: So I didn't even get a roleblock PM last night, dunno wtf is up with that considering the same thing happened as night 2 where my target died. I targeted VE. As I promised I will be re-reading and looking into everyone; specifically zare and glurio today. VE is literally the worst person you could have checked. This is all too much to let slide. You've played exactly like a scum would if they fake claimed, so if you're town you've only got yourself to blame for us mislynching today. ##Vote: WaveofShadow We're killing cosicomics tomorrow if we have it my way. As an aside, I think that The Mirror must be mafia aligned since they clearly didn't fear that VE was perma-bulletproof like the logs implied. | ||
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On March 26 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, we won't be lynching me today. You say VE is the worst target yet it hasn't mattered since N1 because I've been perma-roleblocked. Why would I bother admitting to you my target if I was scum and inviting these kinds of suspicions towards me? I didn't have to give you my targets either night, I could have just said I was roleblocked and avoided any sort of attention. (Hint: I'm trying to give you guys INFORMATION, however useful or not it may be.) Oh yeah and not to mention the fact that DrH literally read the post you quoted and remembered that he forgot to send me a night/roleblock PM. Totally lying. Anyway, back to my reading failure. Its ok for you to play terrible because you're gonna get RBed? That's your excuse? Not gonna cut it. Yeah, we won't be lynching me today. I've never seen anyone but scum express this sentiment. I don't know why'd you'd say this as town. | ||
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On March 26 2013 01:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh, why? Because I was sick of him constantly being at the back of everyone's minds as to whether to start voting for him during the day or not; I was hoping to clear it up one way or the other so we could focus elsewhere and be sure of him. My other target would have been Coag but that would have been a failure as well as you can see. I've already explained my rationale as to night targets; I'm trying to pick people who I view as being out of the spotlight for possible framing/targeting but apparently I've been fairly wrong thus far. Going to have to change my targeting methods, but as I've said it probably won't matter because if we by some miracle manage to hit the scum RB today then I'm dead at night. My worst fear (again, I've stated all of this before, just look into my filter) is that my N1 rolecheck went into some sort of 3rd party/mafia rolecheck immunity in TPS (which would explain his complete lack of presence all game aside from one case that helped to mislynch someone, AND the fact that mafia refuse to NK a confirmed townie). This would essentially make my role do more harm than good all frigging game which would make me incredibly depressed. Believe what you want to believe at this point; I've laid out enough evidence to show you guys that I'm town and I am certainly not going to spend another day defending myself when I haven't contributed anything useful to the game thus far due to my own failures. If you do decide to change your mind and lynch me zare, then go ahead, but then I wouldn't understand what the point of your massive post on layabout was if it's this easy to misdirect you. TestSubject trying to blame the mislynch on me is all well and good; it's just as easy to blame every mislynch we've had so far on the victims, but in the end it's the entire town's fault for the atmosphere we've had so far, including said victims. I'm going to continue my reading throughout the day, but let it be known I will not be defending myself any further, only attempting to contribute to scum-reads. You making the most anti-town claim in the history of claims is 100% your fault. If you had just been transparent from the get-go instead of taking a dozen posts to tell us your whole role then I wouldn't give your shitty checks a second thought. If we mislynch you it is your fault, because you explicitly chose to play antitown because of your own emotions (if you are town). In my mind the more likely reason you played antitown is not that you were choosing your emotions over your win condition, but that you were playing toward your wincon all along. | ||
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On March 26 2013 01:41 kitaman27 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Something I had not noticed until I reread the thread, was that cosmicomics has pushed a single lynch this game on VisceraEyes. I'll get back to that in a moment, but first let me point out his votes on day one and day three: On March 18 2013 10:34 cosmicomics wrote: Upon review I am fine with lynching either GreYMisT or zarepath (his latest post really throws me off). Gonna go with GreYMisT because zarepath will quickly expose himself if he is indeed scum. ##Vote: GreYMisT Notice how he isn't voting GreYMisT after explaining why GreYMisT is scum. He is voting GreYMisT because "zarepath will quickly expose himself if he is indeed scum". This reason for voting GreYMisT has nothing to actually do with GreYMisT. On March 23 2013 02:34 cosmicomics wrote: All there is to say about Mr. Wiggles has already been said. Vote Mr.Wiggles Now lets take a look at his day three vote. He references a single post by BH and throws down his vote. Wiggles was probably the single most talked about player this game and this is actually the first time cosmic brings his name up. Again, he doesn't actually bring any evidence to the table, he simply jumps on board with the cases that others have presented. Now onto the important part, his day two push on VE. This is a classic example of the chainsaw defense and I expect it to get a lot of discussion during post game. For those unfamiliar with the chainsaw defense, its a common mafia tactic where you defend your scum buddy by attacking their attacker. cosmic's case against VE: + Show Spoiler + On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: I don't understand why we are scrutinizing Wade Fell and not even glancing over at VisceraEyes. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: ]There should be absolutely no issue with Wade Fell defending whom he thinks is a town read, unless VisceraEyes suspects that both goodkarma and Wade Fell are scum, and that Wade Fell is defending goodkarma using fabricated evidence. Nothing in VisceraEyes' case indicates that he believes this, so there is no town alibi for saying this. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: You don't say that someone makes an excellent point, and then totally ignore it when evaluating their play. But that is what VisceraEyes tries to do. He sweeps away something that he himself called "an excellent point" and misconstrues Wade Fell as wasting all his time D1 defending goodkarma, which isn't even scum indicative as his posting shows. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: Therefore, the magnitude of VisceraEyes' misinterpretation is greater for he is a hypocrite in saying that Wade Fell did nothing, when he himself asserts that Wade Fell made an excellent point. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: Again, more misinformation. Here VisceraEyes tries to push the idea that Wade Fell's usage of the mason role is indicative of him being scum. He asserts that the mason role should be used to determine alignment first and foremost. Well that's blatantly wrong. There is nothing wrong, and in fact there is something very valuable with masoning a town read in order to bounce around thoughts and ideas. Wade Fell himself explains his mason choice: On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: How is that not a sensible response? It helps Wade Fell solidify his read on goodkarma, and also helps direct goodkarma's scumhunting as Wade Fell acted as his coach. There is very good townie motivations to mason a town read. However VisceraEyes tries to push the idea that Wade Fell used his role poorly and therefore must be scum. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: Ok. VisceraEyes' hypothesis is that Wade Fell is a scum mason trying to manipulate townies. On March 20 2013 04:53 cosmicomics wrote: What VisceraEyes is doing is calling both goodkarma and Wade Fell scum, and using "town goodkarma" as evidence of Wade Fell scum. Only scum do this. This entire attack of VE is essentially a defense of BH, explaining that VE is mafia because he is misrepresenting the posts of a town. His attacks on VE are based on BH being town, but it's as if he has already made up his mind about this. He fails to strongly consider that BH could be mafia and this case is too confident to be pushed by a town player. Now I want to make the single most important part of my case. *IMPORTANT* VisceraEyes claims vet at the beginning of day two on page 54. cosmic does not address the vet claim until the very end of the cycle on page 122. From a town mindset, the single strongest reason for VE not to be mafia is the fact that there was 1 kp on night one, VE claimed the hit, and VE claimed veteran. If I'm going to push VE, I'm most certainly going to accuse VE of lying about the hit and explaining what happened to the missing mafia kp. Instead, he selectively ignores it. This is proof that cosmic was presenting a biased case against VE. He didn't care about VE's alignment, he only cared about the parts of the case he could use to prove that VE was scum. On March 21 2013 03:27 cosmicomics wrote: The most simplest explanation to this whole ordeal is that VisceraEyes is scum, jumping around from target to target to see who will latch without meaningful contribution, made up the 3P business up to sidetrack the town even more, especially since we are deep into D2 without too much consolidation after WaveofShadow claimed. VisceraEyes is scum and making crap up The simplest explanation to this whole ordeal is most certainly not that VE is scum. That would mean that the mafia had withheld their kp or double stacked their shots, VE would fake-claim a hit, and VE would fake-claim a vet. Going into day two, VE was not under so much claim that he required such a drastic move. On March 22 2013 06:57 cosmicomics wrote: Therefore if the night actions suggest that VisceraEyes' claim is indeed valid, then I swallow my pride because it is more likely that VisceraEyes is playing funky than it is for scum to sacrifice one of their KP to fakeclaim vet, and we get down to lynching goodkarma and unfolding things from there. At the end of day two, cosmic finally concedes that it is more likely that VisceraEyes is playing funky than it is for scum to sacrifice one of their KP to fakeclaim vet. Yet, at the end of day two, cosmic is still voting VE in a lynch that was decided by one vote. So why did this reasoning apply when VE was about to get lynched, but not apply moments later? Because it fitted his agenda. If he wanted to get GoodKarma lynched, he would need a abandon his views on VE. Finally, take a look at how cosmic responded to my views of suspicion on him. On March 25 2013 12:50 cosmicomics wrote: Oh yea, upon review I think kitaman27 is scum and I would be glad to duke it out with him tomorrow. He won't be dead (cuz he scum) and I won't be dead (because scum don't shoot potential mislynches). Sorry about the multi-posts. Thinks just came to me as I was reviewing things and I didn't want to lose the thoughts. At no point in the game had he mentioned suspicion of myself. Not once. Now an hour after I mention my intentions to get him lynched, he suddenly had a revelation that pointed to me being scum. He knows the only way to defend himself is to attack me and responds with a textbook omgus. I'm so confident about this one that I'd be willing to offer myself in a 1:1 trade. cosmic is scum Please read through and post your thoughts on this case. We can't have a cycle of inactivity like yesterday. I plan to address glurio, the next time I have the opportunity to post. I still have a mafia read on him. I actually agree that layabout is likely one of the remaining scum as well. I like this a lot and agree with the conclusion. Cosmicomics is definitely in my top 2 targets for today. | ||
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On March 26 2013 01:46 zarepath wrote: Also, where are your breadcrumbs for each of your other nightchecks? You never gave any breadcrumb that you would check who you actually alleged to check, and convenientely both times those people ended up as dead, and you only claimed to have checked them after they were dead. Another question is this: if you have been roleblocked the past two nights, why did literally nobody claim that they were roleblocked on N1? If he's town, he shouldn't be breadcrumbing after the claim since he's just gonna tell us if he lives through the night and risks mafia framing his target. 'Where was the RB N1?' however is a great question. Its a piece in large stack of evidence that WoS's claim is fake. | ||
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On March 27 2013 14:05 geript wrote: For the last time, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? Any setup speculation is just that speculation. We don't know shit. I'm also pretty sure that the numbers work out either way. Anyways, I really need to sleep because I can't be late. He know's 'cause he's scum, of course. The more I think about it the more I'm not buying comic's claim. Why would he act like he was recruiting VE D2 if he had already used his recruitment D1? We aren't getting all the details of his role and that means he's either a danger to us or is lying and has risked the life of his scum buddy to do so. I think we stick to our guns and kill cosmic today. I'm thinking its actually just a gambit my mafia. ##Unvote: WaveofShadow ##Vote: cosmicomics | ||
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