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Sorry Geezeez, but I takin a breezy fo reezy. Staying in the itty bitty game in the meantime. /salute | ||
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Break was short and sweet. Fuck haters. | ||
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So are we trying to come up with some super OP plan to deprive scum of roles/maximize town roles? I haven't played in one of these yet (unbelievably) so I'm pretty excited. | ||
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The only concerns I have: 1) There are logistic concerns regarding who the "chosen" even are - I don't think we have time for an "election" or anything, plus there's no guarantee that everyone will even be around to give their opinion. This isn't a normal day phase, we have less than 24 hours. 2) Would it not be more beneficial to have our super townie players pick preservation roles? Denying mafia looks good on paper, but it's like Sherlock said we can't deny them all the mafia-favoring roles. | ||
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Let this be a lesson to you noobs. Mediocrity (10, 10 baby) reigns. Now, I fully did NOT expect to be so high in the draft. As a result, I'm ill-prepared. On the one hand, I promised myself that if I was in the top 10 I'd try for a specific role. On the other hand, being SO high up makes me a good counter-picking candidate. However considering my low thread presence this game, I can understand reservations with this. I'll be spending some time tonight reading the thread and putting down thoughts on a few players. In the meantime, I'm listening to suggestions if anyone wants me to try and counter-pick scum. Otherwise I'm treating from ...this point on as "Game-time". Game on bitches. | ||
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What if everyone who picks KP roles promises not to use them? I was looking at the role list and it seems that scum KP is fixed at 1? So it seems like scum will be focusing on trying to increase their KP (in a game this size). What if we all just don't use KP roles and lynch the fucking piss out of anyone who does? I mean obviously scum aren't going to claim if/when they do, but if we can get townies into the KP roles this would be a really good way to try and limit mafia KP. | ||
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RestrainingOrder - RestrainingOrder first popped onto my radar in my first readthrough before commenting on Yamato's idea. This post. On April 04 2013 19:58 Restraining Order wrote: The thing is denying mafia roles doesn't work too well anyways, and on top of that, if you try to coordinate it, it works even less. The rolecop-rolevig combo alone has 2-3 possibilities on either end of the deal. (rolecop, capitalist, extractor & assassin, rolevig) Sure, you might be a hero and get exactly the one they try to pick, but it's a crapshoot, and mafia inherently has the pickorder advantage due to possible coordination. Rather, think about it like this: certain roles are not desireable for mafia to pick. Those roles, you don't pick early in the draft order. This includes all investigative roles (apart from rolecop), dreamflower, things like that. Not picking those in, say, the upper half, will mean more roles for town overall. But having VTs is also very informative, so you really don't need to mind either way. Ultimately the logic behind this post is fairly sound. But upon further inspection, you'll find that all it really does is say "planning for the pick phase is futile, and doesn't matter". Why not just say that? Why go to the extra effort of explaining it in the throes of a huge planning session when it's clear it's just going to get ignored by people who are expending effort planning? It's a throw-away post that affects nothing and accomplishes nothing. He proceeds to have a rather meaningless back and forth with rayn, which ultimately ends up with rayn having a scumread on him. Most of it is "You said" "No I didn't". But what I found interesting during this exchange was this post. On April 05 2013 03:37 Restraining Order wrote: You must have forgotten, but you also think I'm mafia. What is the town motivation for posting this? Like, assuming RO is town and he doesn't know what Oats' alignment is, what is the point of prodding Oats when he's soft-defending him like that? As scum it could serve to cast doubt on Oats if Oats is town, but what does it do if RO is town? I can't think of anything, and I found this post suspicious as hell as a result. On April 05 2013 22:50 Restraining Order wrote: This is roughly where it stands, I didn't dig through to get all the second numbers for the 8's and 11's, but those don't matter that much. Sn0_man - 1, 1? could theoretically also be 2 or 3 I guess, but no reason to disbelieve it. obviousone - 234? Raynpelikoneet - 5, 1 Sinani206 - 7, 2 Visceraeyes - 10, 10 Geript - something huge, 18, 12? can't remember strongandbig - 234? same first as caller Caller - 234? same first as snb, larger second restraining order - 6, 2 Meapak_ziphh - 6, 3+ artanis[xp] - 11 sharrant - 11 gonzaw - 8 Austinmcc - 8 Keirathi - 8 Palmar - 8 Mocsta - 8 Shelvocke - 8 Deconduo - 8 Vivax - 8, 1 Oatmaster - 8, 1 billmurray - either 8 or didn't send Yamato77 - not sent, tried 11 lolList. Scum. But what about scumreads? Let's find out! On April 06 2013 03:39 Restraining Order wrote: And I would lynch all of those people. And I would lynch all of those people. On April 06 2013 08:59 Restraining Order wrote: The ones I noted in my last post before, plus Vivax and sno. Those are people I am interested in lynching. So RO wants to lynch inside [Caller, Palmar, Decon, VE, Kierathi, Artanis, austin, OO, Vivax, sn0] before D1 starts. That's cool I guess, but some of those names sound familiar. Where have I seen those names before? On April 05 2013 11:15 Restraining Order wrote: These 5 players picked [8] as their first numbers. This means, at least 4 of those 5 are town. Not really, sharrant picked 11 as first number too, and is above the 8's. The host likely didn't receive his PM. Oh that's right. In that OTHER post where he made a list and said "4/5 are townies", he wants to lynch 3/5 of them. RestrainingOrder is SCUM and should be the D1 lynch. | ||
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Yes....YES....laugh all the way to the gallows my friend. Your laughter is music to my ears. THE MELODY IS STRIKING!!!!! | ||
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On April 06 2013 09:59 Restraining Order wrote: In fact, I'm just going to quote myself on this matter. Wouldn't be a problem if you'd actually think I'm mafia Except...rayn picks before me doesn't he? I'd just be a lowly peon VT then, with no scum-murdering gun. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:15 Restraining Order wrote: More and more people turned out to have picked 8, and more and more of them turned out to look mafia-ish. Suggesting that it's very possible mafia deliberatly picked people into 8. So i decided to scrap that idea and just not think about it anymore. And you acuse ME of convenient excuses. Hang. | ||
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How ARE you certain I'm town by the way? | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:09 austinmcc wrote: RO, the proper response to that is not lol. At the very least, I'd be interested in hearing why you want to lynch a number of people who you also seem to think are town based on picks. VE, dawn hits. A genie appears in front of you and says you can have three wishes IF you answer the following questions. Which vet that doesn't care about pre-D1 is most like his townself? If RO gets teleported out of the game in the middle of D1, who would you lynch instead? Which ocean is best ocean? How do you answer the genie's questions? 1) While the word "vets" is thrown around pretty loosely these days, I'd say that Caller and Palmar are acting the closest to their town-meta in regards to "fucks given". 2) On the off-chance that I don't have to worry about RO for lynch, BM is looking the worst based on his hard-defense of me. Other than that, I was also looking at Kei based on the whole Caller/Kei/RO thing, but that's mostly associative. Ultimately I'd say "a lurker"...but obviously as the day progresses that's subject to change. 3) I'm torn between Indian Ocean and Atlantic Ocean. Indian because it's named after a country NOT continent, and Atlantic because it's named after Atlas, my favorite figure in Greek mythology. As a bonus, I'll even tell you what my 3 wishes are. 1) I want a rusty axe. 2) A fat bitch named Bridgette. 3) I wanna know voodoo. | ||
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Wait til game starts and I blow your mind with activity. | ||
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Now that this game has actually started though, I'm confident my filter will be more than adequate. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:59 Oatsmaster wrote: And dont give 'the game hasnt started' It started when ALIGNMENTS were given out. NOT ROLES. Geddit? Now its your turn. But that's just it - because no one was ever in danger of dying, the game had NOT started in spite of everyone receiving their alignments. Without the fear of death, there is no pressure, and without pressure there is no scumhunting. It's just that simple. | ||
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He also refused to comment on my RO case, but that's associative BS that really just pisses me off more than indicates his alignment. | ||
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On April 07 2013 04:33 gonzaw wrote: Countdown: 7 No one comments on it because it's bad VE, and you put too much weight on it and nothing else. This is irrelevant for his alignment If you can't figure out the town motivation for saying that, you are scum or bad VE. It's obvious what the town motivation for saying that is, and it's baffling how you both can't see it and use it to justify someone being scum. Hint: If RO is town, then he's seeing someone that accused him of being scum defending him. This would be contradictory and thus he'd try to get some answers out of Oats. Can't get any easier than this Hint: It doesn't make Oats scum either, since you can always think someone is scum yet think other people are attacking him for the wrong reasons Hint: It doesn't make RO scum for not "heavily pushing" it either, because of the previously mentioned reason (it doesn't make Oats insta-scum) The thing about RO "wanting" to kill people he previously said would basically be town because of drafting picks is valid; but it's enough to pressure him not enough to make a "case" (specially considering your previous 2 "bad" points). Ultimately, the ONLY thing you can say against RO is that he wants to kill some people he previously said are likely town. It wouldn't be that bad if you kept pushing it (using RO's consequent reactions and responses as well) and didn't masquerade it with previously bad points. You are free to keep pushing RO, but right now you made a single case-post and did nothing else basically regarding RO, not even commenting on his responses, which in my mind weren't even that "good", which I would think would make you...you know.....pressure him some more, considering it's the crux of your argument against him. Speaking of which, yes, RO's comment on doing a 180 on those people and subsequent reaction is weirdly funny (by that I mean his reaction to VE's case and his seemingly "fuck you all" attitude when pressured about that previous point, along the fact he didn't really justify his change of heart before making it, but rather after he was called out, and had little evidence to show he actually did have that change of heart before and was genuine). I'm interested in what he's going to do this day. I'm also interested in what rayn thinks of this whole RO issue. He hasn't really commented on the VE vs RO issue at all, even when VE does point out a valid point against RO, considering rayn was tunneling the hell out of RO earlier. rayn has turned kind of trollish and useless after the draft phase ended and that's bothering the hell out of me trying to get a read off him :/ My first point that you call "irrelevant to his alignment" is actually VERY relevant to his alignment. He's attempting to justify not doing shit while still trying to appear active. There's always a scum motivation for trying to APPEAR active while not doing anything. Why would he try to APPEAR active as town? I guess the only thing I can think of is avoiding ending up in the postion I'M in right now, but frankly I'M only in this position because I'm known as a spammer. Is RO? Then why is he trying to appear active? TO AVOID SCRUTINY! Regarding the Oats thing, it's like a super soft defense of RO. It's not like Oats completely 180'd on RO and was saying he was town, he was questioning rayn's logic in calling RO's post a scumclaim. It was barely about RO at all, yet RO felt the IMMEDIATE need to toss shit on Oats. THAT'S what I have a problem with - presuming RO is town, WHY would he do this? Oat's isn't even attacking rayn, he's asking him to clarify his stance. | ||
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On April 07 2013 04:40 geript wrote: VE I know you picked out of fear. Why? What are you referring to? | ||
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Seriously fuck this game. | ||
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On April 07 2013 23:35 Vivax wrote: Anyone else finding S & B scummy? any different from this post? On April 07 2013 10:06 deconduo wrote: Yeah, after reading his filter again ## Vote strongandbig You accuse Vivax of trying to "bandwagon" SnB but you yourself opened your "content" by similarly voting SnB with no reasoning. You accuse Vivax of not reading the thread, but somehow you missed the fact that gonzaw was scheduled for an earth-shattering scum-destroying case at the end of his countdown? Palmar I'm quite interested in why you think decon is town. That feels kinda like fucking bullshit from you. ##Unvote ##Vote deconduo | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote: VE what do you think of artanis and Palmar's insistance that you arent town? Is this two separate questions? I'm in the middle of going over gonzaw's case on Artanis, I had kinda a town read on Artanis based on his case on geript, but that's probably because I'm irrational about geript thinking I'm scum for inactivity and I have a bad habit of just taking large posts as decent contributions without really looking at them Palmar thinks I'm not town like every game I play with him and he's afraid to push lynches these days anyway...not so much concerned about Palmar "insisting" I'm not town. The case against Shelvocke is another I feel like I can get behind, but again, I'm afraid I like it because he thinks I'm scum and would like to hear other opinions on him. His first post against me (^ Mafia) just seemed like a weak +1 to thread sentiment, and he has done virtually nothing besides. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:33 geript wrote: VE, what is your current read on me and why? geript my read on you is null leaning town - the only thing keeping you from being completely off my radar is the fact that you have this odd fixation on me. I'm trying to decide if you're using your read of me as some sort of anchor in the thread (town) or if you're just tunneling to fake contribution while simultaneously infuriating me (scum). As I said, right now I'm leaning town because your thought-processes are relatively straightforward and transparent - although I have to say your recent play in The Game makes me paranoid. Honestly I just want you to get off my NUTS bro. I'll be back in a little while. | ||
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So...there's a lot to take in. I know I'm not much of a presence in this game, but I seriously need to reread everything before I post again. My initial thoughts before doing so: scum trying to set me up maybe? -.- God I look horrible. | ||
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Next time town. | ||
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Regrets. | ||
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You're such a joy to play with on this end though. So mean. e: what a waste of 9k. Most of my milestones are gigantic wastes of time - much like most of my posts. | ||
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YOU WOULDN'T HAVE LAUGHED! YOU'LL RUE THIS COMMENT! | ||
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