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On May 14 2013 05:17 GreYMisT wrote: The game will begin tomorrow. Role PMs and the Daypost will both go out at Tuesday, May 14 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) fixed it | ||
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On May 15 2013 07:19 phagga wrote: Why is this beneficial? When we all come closer together, it gets easier for angels to get right next to townies. If anything, we should first try to figure out who we are on the board before just trying to move blindly to the center. The goal has to be to shine at angels from a safe distance, not get right next to everybody else. yeah i'm pretty sure you can't really shine at angels from a safe distance. maybe this is just me but it seems like our flashlights have pretty short range. in terms of angels feeding on people, I'm fairly sure they're just gonna run up to us and start doing it anyways. If we all like delta split then it's possible if the angels are all in one place it'll slow them down a bit, but I don't think this is a good way of doing things, especially with the angles controlling fake players. I guess it really depends on how fast angels move. If they are slow (2 or 3 move) then we should split up to slow down the feeding process. i suspect, (and this would make sense from a balance perspective too), that they are fast and we'll suffer from one feed per night basically regardless unless our various PRs can do their thing. our flashlights and vision are short range. I bet PRs work the same way. apart, we are weak, but together, we are strong. | ||
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On May 15 2013 07:23 phagga wrote: ok, so basically what we could do is we give everyone a direction and a moving speed for next night. We'd only need MS 1-3 and all four directions. Even if mafia fucks with us, we still get 6 people clearly identified on the board. Then we could work from there. How does that sound? Maybe we should all claim our movement patterns JUST before the lynch happens. Mafia won't have time to send in imitation movements between our claim and the day ending. This would probably be the best way for us to identify ourselves on the game board. | ||
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On May 15 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about all this. I'll have to think about it because it makes my brain hurt already. fair enough | ||
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On May 15 2013 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Im confused. If scum have puppets, then wont analyzing the movements on the board useless? Since you cant tell that its a puppet. Can you? the plan is, we announce our movements JUST before the lynch, and we move in distinct patterns. scum won't be able to mimic our patterns if we post them JUST before the lynch, and it will let us figure out who is who (something that scum already knows) | ||
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On May 16 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I hate plans. Plans suck. How about for day 1. EVERYONE JUST CHOOSES RANDOM ACTIONS AND DIRECTIONS???????. zeph and deconduo have only been talking about setup. Only. Hmm. Easy to do as scum. Zeph, do you have reads? Deconduo, do you have reads? Well it doesn't need to be random, but I get it if you don't want to do what we're doing, but i think the plan to claim our movements just before nightfall is optimal. | ||
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On May 16 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote: People we probably shouldn't be lynching today: marv (qtpie) Oats (annoying tryhard/bullshitter) Zeph phagga Blazing (probably) People maybe we shouldn't lynch, but who knows: Sharrant deconduo Distinctly lynchable: fferyllt ghost Sentinel Vivax fuba ez pz, right? I agree with a lot of this, but let me talk to you about Oats. IS he being an annoying tryhard/bullshitter? Sure. Although a lot of town players do this though, something seem really off about how he's going about it to me. Something seems really off. I can't quite put my finger on it. It's stuff like this: On May 16 2013 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Interesting marv. And yours is? setup stuff, setup stuff, setup stuff, fluff, questions regarding my playstyle. Nope nothing there. Why dont you push someone? Like, we're in a super dooper themed game. Is setup stuff not scumhunting? Sure, but take a look how zephirdd asked and figured things out and comes out looking townie. Like, there is the obvious explantion here that Oats is just trying to put on his "aggro town" shoes but they fit him really poorly. It feels like he's faking it to me. I usually like to make more strident cases, but this is what I have right now: a hunch. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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On April 04 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: And if we know the roles in the game, how does that help us? Info is a lazy answer dude. On April 04 2013 23:48 Oatsmaster wrote: How in the world does stating setup information help town? What? Thats saying why GF is a good role. WHAT IS THE POINT? am i misreading? or does he seem to be more speculative/planning in PYP? | ||
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I consider ghost like sort of lynchworthy but his interaction with oats seems genuine to me. I don't think his first post is worth crap though. I'm down for vivax lynch. I'll reread after chinese micro and be more specific and give a better read | ||
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On May 16 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote: I would also lynch Oats. All he's done so far is troll, being disruptive and ask stupid questions. I've seen him do that as town last time but I don't care. This isn't a game with grushes and kushes and if he wants to be the one guy playing that role, then I'll gladly policy-kick him out of the game. His defense of Sentinel doesn't make any sense. He complains about setup talk when this is essentially a team board game. No WIFOM mindfucks, lynch people playing for scum. Unless he starts contributing meaningfully, he's up for the gallows. I strongly oppose a policy lynch on Oats. I'm sure the guy is readable. the fact of the matter is, the guy acts like this always in themed games as town. If you lynch him you're saying "i personally don't like oats" at this point now like i will be on him (and others) for productivity going forwards but based on oats acting like he literally always acts you can't say he's scum. all you can say is you don't like him | ||
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On May 16 2013 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you still wanna lynch Vivax? You said you were reading him after other game. Where is the fruit of your labour? no such labor took place. the other game ended up lasting several hours instead of one and took up my whole afternoon | ||
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but yeah vivax isn't making sense | ||
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you know what yeah i'm right as always hey vivax time to get dunked ##vote vivax | ||
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On May 16 2013 22:41 mkfuba07 wrote: Now I'm wondering if Vivax doesn't fully understand how movement works (or if I don't), or if we're misunderstanding what he's trying to say... On May 16 2013 22:43 Vivax wrote: I checked actually, and misunderstood how movement works. Forget everything I said -.- convenient, but i'm not buying it. at all. | ||
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I'm willing to lynch him if consolidation is needed, but as it stands, Vivax is who I'd much rather lynch. | ||
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##unvote ##vote deconduo | ||
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one more to lynch ANYONE WANT TO GO TO VIVAX? | ||
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that's how hard i will kick | ||
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##vote Vivax GOGOGO | ||
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HURRY UP HURRY UP HURRY UP | ||
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HIS POLICY LYNCH ON OATS IS SHIT, IT MAKES NO SENSE JUST VOTE FOR CHISSAKES OR ITS A NOLYNCH | ||
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On April 14 2013 07:35 GreYMisT wrote: Time Cycle: This game will follow a 47 hour COMBINED day/night cycle. There will be a 1 hour resolution period where no posting will be allowed. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 47 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:57 mkfuba07 wrote: Yeah, my bad. His second one had them backwards, so I got confused. yeah sorry my mathing skills are bad | ||
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Vivax/oats interaction doesn't seem to make a hyooj amount of sense for the oats=scum hypothesis just because, if I were scum and trying to get a stupid nonsensical case going against a somewhat incompetent player, I know I sure as hell wouldn't be doing it against a fellow scum guy. It's possible Vivax was busing/distancing Oats, I get that, but what's more likely to me is Vivax was lazy scum looking for an easy lynch and that Oats would be doable since Oats isn't very good. I don't have to make any weird leaps of logic for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against incompetent Oats that gets himself lynched" theory. I DO have to make some weird assumptions for the "scum vivax launches a bad attack against his own incompetent Oats scumbuddy that gets himself lynched" theory. I'm gonna get an associative tell + straight-up scumminess case on someone, probably not Oats, going soon. I'm gonna reread people's mentions of vivax and reread the voteswap shennannies at day end. | ||
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On May 17 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote: I don't buy into the whole "hosts let him get away with using cardinal directions because he is scum", that could've been an honest mistake, I don't particularly buy into the host WIFOM. What I believe makes it a scum slip is that he said "I wanted to move here". A townie would have no idea who they are, so how could they have a specific destination in mind? Regarding the first part, I don't think that's what people are saying he reason he's scum is. From what I gather, they speculate he is scum because hosts didn't let him get away with using cardinal directions-- he didn't move or used an angel moving mechanic, then screwed up when trying to claim movement using the town mechanic because he didn't understand it. | ||
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On May 17 2013 23:37 Zephirdd wrote: also everyone consider this: If Oats is town, who is scum? this is a terrible argument | ||
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Fferyllt's vote on Vivax I think is legit. He was trying to get ANY lynch for the day, deconduo or vivax, and vivax was on his radar earlier. mfkuba though I don't like, but I think he's legit for mainly for this post (link) in which he begins the post talking about lynching vivax, then notes that there's a deconduo mass-swap going on and swaps to deconduo to avoid no-lynching. When he sees we're swapping back to vivax, he goes back to avoid a no-lynch. I think the fact that he was planning to write a case against vivax then got caught up in the voteswapping is a sign of a town motive. F I'm left with dec, sent, sharr, zeph who all moved onto vivax between 1:20 out and the lynch deadline. Zeph I'm setting aside as town due to his townlike setup speculation and his aggression towards oats regarding some kinda weird movemeng mechanic speculation. He's clearly trying hard. If he's scum he gets to live another day. I cant see it tbh. sharrant's interactions with marv convinced marv, and for now that's good enough for me. It's also worth noting that despite being one of the guys pushin this (imo) wrongheaded oats lynch, he's listening to and talking to oats and trying to glean info. sentinel didn't need to come back to the thread, ask to be sold, and be sold. that being said he's said a lot of stuff that's struck me his game as weird. maybe but not a top priority. I rule out the oats/vivax bus theory, I just don't see vivax going for that. I could see a long bus coming from deconduo (dont' think of him as town just because he was the other wagon) and also from ghost, whose case imo is weak/bad I really find a lot of weird interactions between ghost, deconduo, and vivax during day 1. What's with deconduo (who has posted very little) dropping this zero-followup case on ghost? When he was called out for it he eventually did some weak followup, but his entire action today has been pushing an oats slip theory despite thinking he's caught and oats-ghost scumteam. Where's the additional information? Where's the case? He just dropped his vote in here and bailed. I think ghost's interactions with vivax and decon during day 1 are weird but maybe I can just chalk that up to ghost being weird. he calls out vivax with his first real post (link) and is basically on vivax (sort of) for the rest of the game. now colour me crazy but I don't see him doing that to a scumbuddy. Not if there was a hcance of it really picking up steam for a day 1 mislynch. Really what it comes down to me is I think we were choosing between scum deconduo and scum vivax lynches yeterday. I think deconduo is scum. Giving out a townread on zeph was easy money for him, and the fact that he makes no mention of oats, doesn't write a case, and just claims the guy slipped hard and votes him and runs, makes deconduo scum in my book. I don't see the oats bus. I don't see scum sharrant interacting with marv so openly. I don't see either of these wagons. The real wagon that needs to be pushed today is deconduo. On May 18 2013 09:40 deconduo wrote: I agree that oats' play day one wasn't particularly scummy. However that slip us way too blatant for us to ignore as a mistake. First of all oats would have to not read up on how the movement works,secondly the hosts would have to not inform him that he moved illegally and finally the hosts would have to willingly put his move through. If he is a blue that knows his position, why hasn't he at least soft claimed instead of disappearing off the face of the earth. The fact of the matter is, he's lynching a someone for whom, as far as he knows, is town player for sending in a weird night action. You can't have this as your justification for lynching oats. | ||
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are you willing to stake AN ENTIRE LYNCH on this speculation, OVER your read? DECONDUO: you admit you think oats d1 play, and I quote, "wasn't particularly scummy" but you still want to lynch him. This is not acceptable, and coupled with your scummy play indicates you are scum. GHOST: you intially had some concerns about Oats D1, but you admit that such concerns are assuaged by my meta read of Oats. Do you think I'm wrong, or is your vote on him just because of the wording of his movement, as you imply here? (link) FUBA: you interacted with oats several times d1, and you even questioned whether it was wise of him to vote vivax. Is your voting him now based entirely on his wording of his movement, as you imply here? (link) SENT: you say (link) that if not for the movement thing, Oats would be "above the level of suspicion". Is it really just the movement claim that changes you from utterly unwilling to lynch Oats to voting him? | ||
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A) the way mafia angels move is by telling the hosts a relative movement using absolute direction (ie move north 3, east 2), despite the fact that the hosts have explicitly asked other members of the game (town) to move using relative direction B) the hosts have chosen to get some of their movement directions in absolutes (from scum), and some of them in relative direction (from town) C) scum ALSO send in the movements for dummies using absolute direction, rather than relative direction (since scum Oats would have to not know about relative direction to "slip" this. remember, he's pretending to be a dummy) D) also, that C) is true despite the fact that some of the "dummies" are town players moving using relative motion and finally, E) that the reason crossfire is receiving some of his orders with absolute and some with relative motion, for both kinds of pieces, and combining these different kinds of motion is that, AND I QUOTE, On May 15 2013 12:20 Crossfire99 wrote: because it's so much simpler for him to run two parallel systems of movement for some reasonbecause this will prevent confusion when I have to play chess at the deadline THAT IS WHAT YOU FUCKING MORONS ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW | ||
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imagine oats is town and he's telling the truth. He PMed the hosts and was like "I move up 3 spaces and left 2 while looking up" or something. for this to be true, all this requires is oats glossed over a post or two in the thread and the host saying "ok, I understand what he sent me, no need to send him a snarky PM requiring him to re-send in his movement". This is pretty easy to imagine. I bet this is what happened. now imagine oats is scum and this is a legit slip. he pmed the hosts saying "move my dummy up 3 spaces and left 2" because this is how scum move their dummies. for this to be true, hosts have to be running two different ways of keeping track of movement, which seems needlessly complicated, and use both of those for moving dummies around. and then there's the same assumption that oats glossed over soem of the thread, but this time as scum instead of town. since both scenarios require oats not paying attention to the post, the fact that he did in fact not realize how to move is not the part that's different between our two potential outcomes. Both outcomes assume oats glossed over this post. You guys ugh, you guys good night. vote deconduo. | ||
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I'll admit there's a possibility Oats is scum, and I see how you thought. decon, ghost and sent I don't understand. that being said, I believe decon's claim, at least for now. he'll probably be dead before he can get anything done. There are two more players I want to lynch today, and they are Sharrant and Ghost. | ||
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yeah i've vaguely toyed with the idea of what would effectively be a lurker lynch on fferyllt. I gave him a pass because he seemed to be interacting with the thread but now he's doing things like this. I also give him some credit for being part of the last-minute voteswap both to decon and to vivax, when he could have easily stayed on decon. | ||
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Ok rethinking on oats, in light of decon being town and oats unvoting without bringing up any reads, I'm gonna say oats has done literally nothing useful today. I'm willing to lynch him for that. | ||
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actually, wow you've done less than oats today. you get no goodwill for your voteswaps D1. All you've done is post a couple one liners SINCE THE START OF THE GAME. ##unvote ##vote fferyllt | ||
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of course, if you're scum, feel free to ignore this and continue lurking! | ||
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On May 19 2013 03:41 fferyllt wrote: My thoughts are that I'm an easy lynch and analyzing my bandwagon may fruitful. I still feel pretty confident of my town reads. And I still don't care much for Sentinal's WKing. your townreads are zephirdd (obvious) and marv (dead). you have not updated this set of reads int he past 72 hours. Don't tell me things I already know. SAY sOMETHING, ANYTHING | ||
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did he not post in the voting thread? jesus christ working with you people (zephirdd excluded) is like herding freakin cats yeah fferyllt is my top choice today | ||
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fferyllt hasn't posted anything all game, and will not do so for the rest of the game. We gotta deal with her now, or at LYLO. your call. | ||
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oats scum regardless of ffyt flip zeph still town make people talk I scuttle 5 feet left while looking straight | ||
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So, I'm looking at grush, wos, sutters, and gk. I still don't think GK is a good lynch. I've said it once and I've said it again, GK questioning the VA lynch doesn't make him scum, and although his role-pm reading shenanigans are INDEED shenanigans, the guy always has slow starts. Not a good D2 lynch. Okay, wow actually I take it back So, my plan was to write this meta case on how GK was actually town, right? But then I went and spent some time remembering and reading notes on how GK plays, and basically it can be summed up like this: On March 17 2013 11:27 Wade Fell wrote: DYH you say you agree that GK should probably be lynched today. Examining his play in NMMXXIV as town (link) I see a player who posts slowly and doesn't contribute much in the first half of D1, and only really starts writing cases (mostly unfocused and studded with FOSes at other players) as the game progresses. It's only in the later days that he picks up steam and starts hammering on players. In LVII as scum (link), GK comes out punching, immediately posting cases and voting/Fosing, and instead of pushing multiple reads, he changes who he focuses on as soon as his case fails to gain traction (instead of pressing on, trying to really get his target lynched). He also doesn't wait to formulate reads, he _immediately_ starts flopping mud at people. The GK in this game is the town GK that I've coached and observed extensively. He is cautious, posts rarely, and builds up momentum to be a formidable scumhunter. This is not the kinda uncaring, willing-to-make-any--case scum GK that I've seen. He is not a good D1 lynch. He is not a good vigi shot. He is town. Now, this was a case I wrote in The Game, where, yes, I was scum, but everything written here is true. Town GK is cautious at first, gathering information and momentum, then builds a case and follows it up. Scum GK throws his vote around aggressively and doesn't have followup, going onto whatever wagon happens to become popular. I was planning to open GK's filter and show how he's town, but he is not playing to his town meta, he is playing to his scum meta. Reading GK's filter, his play this game 100% is exactly as he plays as scum. He IMMEDIATELY comes out with a vote on stutters (link), then his next post (after chiding VA) swaps to Grush (link), then after defending himself from an early case he swaps to WoS (link) and he continues the madness all throughout the rest of D1, voteswapping and trying to stay on the popular wagon. This is literally scum GK. I'll eat my damn hat if it ain't. He's playing to his scum meta, he's also playing objectivity scummy and shitty (where's the followups to his push? what's with that list post? Why no careful analysis buildup?), and he was around when iamp claimed mason. ##vote GoodKarma | ||
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