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"What's all this mess about, sarge?" "Somebody killed RoL, we are looking for the killers" "But sarge, they have no reason to hide." "Well, they also killed Ver, and they want to kill us and each of these shouting idiots." "That changes everything then. What's the course of action sarge?" "Do you see what these people are doing? They hold onto every little bit of evidence they can find, always looking for anything that could be interpreted as scummy, and the longer it takes them to find something they can use against someone else, the more laughable their accusations become, until eventually, a poor soul gets lynched for being the loudest and most passionate about his wish for vengeance." "Wow sarge that's so interesting, what do you call it when they do that?" "Day one, idiot. We should start observing people closest to the scene of the crime. Look over there, do you see that dirty Hippy?" "What about him?" "He is trying to be helpful, wants to invite people to his trailer to talk with him privately, and claims that it's dangerous to talk to the killers." "But sarge, pulling the killers into a conversation is exactly what we want." "Precisely, the hippie thinks of avoiding threats, not finding the killer. Note him." "Done; sarge, who is that shouting guy?" "Seems like a Doctor, tryhard, and innocent, he clearly wants to find the killer. We shouldn't bother about what he wrote so far and keep going our own ways, that guy is not one of them." "The hippie and kholly seem to be of different opinion." "More is foul about the hippie than just his smell. Kholly speaks of a trap, I don't know what he means and he doesn't explicate it. Write down." "Aye, sarge. Look, there's a stoner among them too." "Jesus, not that guy again. He's always so hard to rule out among the suspects. I just hope that he'll try to be useful during this case. Might want to take him out tonight." "I'd never have imagined you were into stoners, sir." "I'd never have imagined you were a brain amputee. I mean to kill him. Don't ask." "Sir.." "Shut up, I skipped the others, look, right on the last page, there's the guy who thinks he's Rambo, he talks in a lengthy way about his intentions, apologizes for his future absence. He claims that the guy with the huge amount of cookies is a killer and wants to talk to him privately, but he doesn't directly ask him questions there. He rather uses it to justify his choice to invite him to a private discussion, and the scumread takes a secondary spot in his post." "I agree. It looks like he's simply trying to find something to talk about rather than stick to what should be important, had he the intention to find the killers. I got it. During the day we take out the hippie and especially the Rambo and the special squad will get rid of that pesky stoner." "Standard police work, Guido. But remember who gives the orders here." ##Vote StrongAndBig | ||
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The guy I masoned claimed that he did something somewhat scummy on purpose to draw reactions. I'll tell you who I'm masoned with and eventually more about our exchange once I've talked a little more to him and see if he gives his consensus. I stick to my opinion that S & B is scum, and I think that his first post is all you need to catch him. From a PM with the other guy: In the specifics, as I should already have mentioned, his post looks forced, lengthy. He touches on a variety of topics showing a certain intent of stretching the amount of content he writes about them. Especially the "noob player" one hit me as scummy. I see no motivation to write about that stuff unless you look specifically for things to talk about with the sole purpose of talking about something. Add his early apologies for inactivity to it as a cherry on top. In a game where many hadn't posted at the time your own inactivity shouldn't be a huge concern for you, it is a nice strategy for scum to adopt though (albeit being often ineffective), but since mostly it comes at no cost, there is no harm in scum trying to gain leeway by claiming to be busy. I kinda had half a feeling to post a list too but I feel like I should stick to what's relevant: Talking about scum. S & B has clearly put in more effort since, and I don't see anything scummy in his posts since the first (but I'll surely reread them to make sure). If he's scum he's currently putting in effort in a way that doesn't suggest he could be. That doesn't automatically undo the previous reasons, too often have I fallen for the mistake of lessening the importance of earlier actions as the game progresses (which I think is a general fallacy everyone is subject to). Other guy who looks bad is SlOosh for his defensive reactions and lack of followup. I'll be up for lynching him and encourage him to post more ASAP. To put it simply: I don't see any intention of finding scum in his posts yet, but he reacts quite happily to accusations. I be readin' more now. Any questions to me should be directed to constable Guido first. | ||
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Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve @wiggles: Did you read my second post? It does not seem like it. Anyway I think you might be getting too caught up in my language. Do you disagree with my reasons for finding oatsmaster, sloosh, or VE scummy? Or just with the way that I phrased it and the fact that I decided not to pm oats right away? Cause the latter doesn't make much sense as a reason to suspect me. Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve/Vayne @DrH if you get a chance can you tell me why im on your scum list? Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve/Vayne/Malongo Can you look at my filter for my accusations/suspicions towards other people than oats and tell me what you think, do they support the me-being-scum narrative. Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Ve/Vayne/Malongo But i've tried to discuss these points with wiggles and explain where i was coming from, do you have any comment on that? is there even a point in trying to engage with you given that you're continuing to critique my first post and ignoring everything else i've done since then, but i'm still apparently your main top scum read? What you notice from this is that S & B hardly pursues SlOosh and Vayne since his initial suspicion. I don't understand how his preferences form, and if I compare it to thread sentiment, he seems to follow it (which is rather subjective and is a point I don't necessarily want to rely on as main argumentation, I'd have to find every post talking about Vayne and compare it to his post timings, but it's more or less what I gained from the timeline of events). Mainly though, S & B is very concerned with people suspecting him, he regularly attempts to draw responses from people he didn't claim to be scummy in his opinion, which clearly shows a defensive mindset. His main concern should be to get information from his scumreads or getting them lynched, instead, he prefers to spend more time finding reasons from non-scumreads to have him as scumread. The nature of some of the questions also shows a subtle hostility: "Why should I even talk to you, I already defended myself" being the last example. I'm curious as to where he stands with SlOosh and Vayne now. As answer to S & B: I saw your response, but I think it missed the point. IIRC Wiggles himself touched upon that post not adressing the main cause of our suspicions. | ||
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Vivax do you think Layabout is scum? It kinda sucks for me to say this right after he called me scum cause it might look like I suspect him out of spite, I can only give you my word that this is as objective as possible after reading his filter upon your request: Fair chance. He has the sort of theatrical posting at times I associate with scum play screw it I Shall go to the saying "polarised" and being useless* isn't enough for the effort you have spent *although he hasn't been useless he has simply yet to start scumhunting also if i thought you were scum then i would push to l_ _ _h you. and a lack of assertiveness that is usually visible in his town play. I don't really see his "line of suspicion" in his posts. He really wants to kill Vayne. He asks Rayn a question. Asks VE a question. Now he wants to lynch me but wants to delay the reasons. All the while mixing in some rather pointless questions about mechanics and statements about time that lacks of a problem solving intention. Although I wouldn't use that as an argument in itself, but it refines the overall picture. Even someone like kush can show traits of townieness that make his other derping not very concerning, in layabout it doesn't fit in a good way. Btw I'm masoned with VE (who is the hippie I was referring to). Currently awaiting a reply but it would probably be wise to post our conversation since he's up for lynch. He told me he's working on something though so I'm waiting for that. I might donate him a few posts, although I've offered to post in his name instead (Housing the posts of multiple players in one post is actually a good strategy to economize on posts, a mason "central node" can take care of that) I've been masoned by someone else as of recent. Will reveal more information when I think it's appropriate. Other stuff I noticed while looking @ OP: Have you ever imagined what would happen if real mafia sat down with rival families and played a game of mafia, to the death? Rather than endless bloody struggles, the dons of Sicily have decided to settle their ancient and irrelevant scores by playing the most appropriate game of all. Success will land you riches, honor, and a steak dinner with the Pope, but failure may lead to swift burial. But beware, the supervising godfathers are short-tempered and quick to cut down loose-mouthed fools. Anyone who is likely to talk too much in mafia is likely to blab to the law. I might just be overinterpreting flavor, but with 6 mafia and closed setup, is it queer to think that there are two mafia factions of 3 players each given the high number of mafia? It's something that, should it hold true, I suspect could be revealed upon death of a mafia member (assuming there are different families). It might also not be revealed, leading to secret mafia wars being held behind the back of an unknowing town. This is rather irrelevant for scumhunting atm but I wanted to put the thought out there cause I found it thrilling. | ||
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By the way, I fully endorse an ace lynch, that's exactly how I would see him playing scum in the early stages of such a big game. Marked with an # means they're from me. 1: + Show Spoiler + Date: 7/17/13 02:30 You're #1 of 2. What's funny about your posting style is that Chezinu is actually smurfing in this game. I agree with you about DocH. What I did was a reaction test, I wanted to see what people had to say about me suspecting DocH. I think the most interesting reaction was from Vayne - no reaction whatsoever, in spite of being under direct attack from the person I claimed to be suspicious of. I'm not sure what to make of kholly. He seems to be ignoring everyone but DocH atm which makes it hard to draw conclusions. Oatsmaster is being derpy but I think he's town....tentatively. He's too quick to call anyone who disagrees with him scum to be scum imo. Kush on the other hand...I have a serious problem with the lack of Kush derp. As town he's not one to be told how much to post, much like Oats, and he'd be bucking the restriction just as Oats is doing. Except, unlike Oats, Kush had nothing to add to the game in the early stages...not even a play accusation. I think Kush might be scum...but I'm waiting on actual content to bring it to the thread. Hapa/Yamato are probably town...but their absence is odd. They're either PMing exclusively or they're just watching and waiting...which frankly is out of character for both of them, but I could just as easily see them changing their play due to the setup as town. I was hoping at least one of them would PM me, but alas I'm not as important as most. Ultimately, I could see one of them being scum, but not both, but I think for now that both are town. I don't see what everyone else seems to see regarding slOosh. Those are my thoughts so far. I've read everything and if I didn't mention something you wanted me to mention, let me know. I'm just kinda observing for the time being because I'll blow my posts if I get into a shouting match with Oats (which is the inevitable conclusion of me coming back into the thread XD) #1: 7/17/13 04:22 + Show Spoiler + It's cool you're masoning me, you're my first PM contact so far. I'm currently saving my ability up for a possibly good moment. I'm thinking about masoning kush to get a better read on him, my experiences in Hydra II with him weren't all that bad, in our qt, I'm somewhat confident one can push him to usefulness and readability but one needs to incentivize him. Before I proceed with more actions in the thread I prefer to wait until it's likely that every scum has posted, barring any interesting developments. We can't exclude the risk that someone simply forgot about the game given how long it took to take off. I can actually buy your explanation for having faked your play so far, simply cause you'd likely be more capable than that as scum. This isn't valid on its own, but given your explanation and early contact I think it's compatible with that version. I still have to evaluate you properly. I'm interested into knowing about: - Your choice of masoning me. - Why you don't mention S & B. In the specifics, as I should already have mentioned, his post looks forced, lengthy. He touches on a variety of topics showing a certain intent of stretching the amount of content he writes about them. Especially the "noob player" one hit me as scummy. I see no motivation to write about that stuff unless you look specifically for things to talk about with the sole purpose of talking about something. Add his early apologies for inactivity to it as a cherry on top. In a game where many hadn't posted at the time your own inactivity shouldn't be a huge concern for you, it is a nice strategy for scum to adopt though (albeit being often ineffective), but since mostly it comes at no cost, there is no harm in scum trying to gain leeway by claiming to be busy. I actually wish to win you for the S & B cause, so it would be nice if you could deliver me an own analysis of his contributions, or find any points you agree/disagree with. ______________________________________________________________________________________ Moving on to your reads: Vayne: I'm not sure what to make of him myself. There's something else about him other than what I have mentioned, but I would like to better understand what you think makes his non-reaction scummy. Kholly: Kinda shit choice (=DrH) for a scumread, but seems quite bold. Townie points. Kush: Yeah, but man, it's kush, expect nothing and everything. If I PM him and drag him into a chat I'll probably be able to get a decent read on him. Oats: He knows how he has to act to appear town...but probably can only act like that in earlygame. I'll be able to give a better judgment as time progresses. I'm confident I can do that. Of Hapa and Yamato I'd be at most concerned of Hapa, less of yamato, but I can only judge them by a first impression so far and prefer to keep myself back with a judgment so far. I know yamato has a high opinion of Hapa and hence it's likely they're masoned imo. SlOosh. Well, as you wrote the message I didn't see anything excessively scummy, but with his comeback I see stuff that is somewhat scummy. I think you wrote the PM before he wrote this [July 17 2013 03:53] reply, so I'd like an updated opinion on him based on that, and if you think what I think. #1 addendum 7/17/13 16:04 Can you explain what you found odd about Vayne in your first PM please? 2: + Show Spoiler + Re: SnB I'm not sure how I feel about SnB - I want to see more from him. That's the short version. He COULD be scum, but I don't think there's enough to condemn him in this thread yet. I think your reasoning feels like nitpicking his playstyle rather than observing actual scummy behavior. I'd like your thoughts on Malongo. He's been ignored by several players who should know better imo and I find that quite disconcerting. As I said in thread, he's obviously reading the thread (he tried to donate posts to DocH) yet he's not sharing any reads publicly and he's really just floating in the background of the game. This is exactly the sort of play I expect from scum in this game. kholly is playing in a similar manner, but again as I said in the thread, he's at least giving an opinion and taking a stance. I had a kind of knee-jerk reaction to Wiggles post because I didn't like his conclusions, but he's still kinda leaning scum to me. He's my weakest read by far though...I'm not interested in lynching him today anymore looking over the thread. I chose to mason you because I figured in PMs you wouldn't be roleplaying the way you did in thread so I wanted an avenue to read you without the veil of roleplaying. Get actual opinions rather than my own interpretations of what they might be...that sort of thing. #3 with reply 7/18/13 04:44 + Show Spoiler + Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'm not as engaged as I need to be. I'm going to put aside time for this soon. XD Original Message From Vivax: VE, there are a lot who would like to see you dead, what do you think are you doing wrong? Also, pretty funny how you told Oats to go screw himself lol. 3 addendum from VE: Date: 7/18/13 04:45 As a funny aside, I now only have one post left with which to state my case against Malongo and alleviate suspicion on me. Wish me luck. There are some more recent ones, but they're secondary for the moment, will post if necessary. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ I'd lynch SlOosh, ace layabout and S & B before VE pretty much, although I need to do a reread on SlOosh still, as announced. Kush voted SlOosh btw. Layabout doesn't remember what he wanted to do with his lynch targets, usually a sign of not-caring. IN NESTED QUOTE: On July 18 2013 06:14 layabout wrote: gumshoe i picked out the point which you were being dickish to me over, cus you know, i dont like that VE always posts like that and i never said i thought he was scum, your points sucked so i thought i should point it out. On July 17 2013 06:00 layabout wrote: I really want to kill vayne. Why sign up to a pm game if you are not going to use them? They benefit town the vast majority of the time. | ||
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And rereading SlOosh, I actually feel dumb cause he got heavily misrepresented at the start by Rayn/Hapa/FirmTofu, that doesn't change the fact that he lacked a scumhunting effort until his comeback into a thread with the sentiment to lynch VE. SlOosh should have some more time to show if his scumhunting is genuine. Nevertheless, I think ace should be lynched today,, or anyone being a lurker. This "leave it to the blues" attitude is like a virus of stupidity that spread through the forums at some point. There is no fucking point in not lynching someone who is either actively useless or detrimental, or openly mocks town, especially Day 1 when there's a high chance of crapshooting. VE claimed america, he claims dayvigi, so leave him alive, or you're dumb or scum. Enough said, now ladies and gents, please switch to someone like ace. Scum's ideal D1 strategy is to keep their head low. Tendentially, you can't easily shit over someone who doesn't post anything you could use against him. And if you try to lynch him, the "leave it to the vigs" jubjubs come out of the holes to call the policy lynch decision bad, when it's simply a legit way for scum to play (to the point of being considered a policy lynch). | ||
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I'm asking VE to forward PMs to you. It would REALLY REALLY be nice if he stayed alive, not just for that, but cause his claim is too weird to be fake imo. Please, everyone consider voting ace, even Malongo is fine for me, or kush. Just pick someone that we really won't miss. I picked ace cause he defied town openly, his whole posting is a joke, I received word that he is in another game at the same time, and he acts like he's stupid in this one, just to fuck off. It's not policy, it can easily be scum playing in a way that leads anyone leading their lynch ad absurdum cause of this policy lynching prejudice. | ||
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Lynch is in an hour, I think. Gonna work through DrH's points then, after getting an own impression of FT's filter first. | ||
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I think the lurker policy lynch is always a good one to consider. Although they may not necessarily be the best lynch, they do serve the purpose of setting up the lategame well. We don't want our endgame to suffer from inactivity and these types of lynches should prevent that. Perhaps we could also consider policy lynching people who repeatedly post one-liners. That sort of behavior is largely non-beneficial and we should send a message to everyone that we are not going to tolerate it. I'm expecting you to deliver. Which of the lurkers/ace-style-posters would you pick? Tentatively putting out ace and malongo out there for you to give me an opinion on, would be appreciated thanks. On July 18 2013 07:18 FirmTofu wrote: If he truly is dayvigi, why can't we ask him to prove it by shooting a lurker? Why doesn't he shoot Ace? I don't see his role claim absolving anything unless he can prove it. He told me he can only shoot 12 h before lynch, target dies at lynch. Would you take the risk of disrupting a marv-me-VE mason circle and losing a vigi instead of giving him the chance to prove himself tomorrow? At this point obviously you unvoted him, but at the time you had shown reluctance. Here's your fix for your reply, lil junke ##Donate: 1 post to FT | ||
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MZ is a fine target as well. Basically anyone with low activity is someone I would kill given this D1 situation. Need to think again about killing the presumed Chezinu though, even though I ddidn't agree with his claimed suspects, at least he put in more effort than someone like ace. I'd probably not pick him for policy lynching today over all other alternatives. | ||
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On July 18 2013 09:08 layabout wrote: If VE claims dayvig on day1 to save himself from the lynch shouldn't he fire at his scumread? If he is town then scum know about his role and as town we don't back off of a lynch because the person roleclaimed before we kicked the block from under they feet so that the noose would bite into their neck and cut the supply of air to the lungs and oxygen to the brain. a last minute claim does not a townie make particularly a non-confirmed confirmable claim. #donate 1 post to vayne cus having no posts is stupid if something happens Shouldn't you read your scumread's filter if you were town? That would help answering part of your question. Still no statement regarding your Vayne blooper so far. | ||
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Dropping my last vote on S & B cause there's a decent chance he gets lynched too, afaik. With WIggle's and DrH's support it should be possible. I'm not sold on lynching SlOosh so soon either, I only see him as decent and realistic alternative to VE. Lynching VE is simply and utterly stupid cause he can prove his claim tomorrow, during the day. Why should he fakeclaim something as abstruse and hard to fake as america. Call it WIFOM, but it will be ezpz to see if he's lying or not tomorrow. Launch nuke, wait for mod confirmation, and maybe there's someone with an anti nuke out there. You're also risking to disrupt a me-ve-marv mason "wheel". If you plan on staying on the VE wagon, you should really think thrice about what you're doing. At worst we give 1 scum another day to live before he gets lynched for sure. @ Layabout I mentioned how his role mechanics work in an earlier post, as he had explained to me in a PM. You seem to be unaware of those, hence you're not reading my filter. You still show no intent in pushing me, you're instead trying to justify a switch to VE now that you have a wagon available, apparently. | ||
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#Donate: 2 to VE 2 to DrH 2 to FT 2 to gumshoe Not sure if this is possible but look it up before you post maybe. RoL said something of a restriction I think. | ||
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I'd rather see VE talking a little more and DrH and FT tunneling some more. Nothing against you gumshoe, but you're low priority in this constellation. | ||
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Every townie who had voted VE should be ashamed and sheep people who actually know how to make good decisions in this game. For all I know though, his whole bandwagon could be made of scum and/or traitor. Not a single guy I can be sure of being town on there. Lynch layabout, S & B, ace please. | ||
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I'm just posting to tell you that you all suck. You are simply bad. You should look for another game to play cause you keep wasting my time with your decisions. Open your eyes, S & B is scum. Also, marv is scum. And there are a lot of people who didn't post shit and went ignored. Ace openly mocks us with his play, and posts justin timberlake shit. Trust helps in rare occasions, alright? | ||
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I think I'll do that too. That's why you should all go to hell, leave me alone. | ||
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My last two posts were made to look bad. One contains a crumb, the other I wrote to somewhat hide the crumb, The thing is, Hiro, the traitor, masoned me D1 (and after initial suspicion I ended up giving him a townread for him essentially uncovering an inconsistency/mistake in VE but not using it to push for his death. Anyway, I was afraid I would die tonight cause of the lack of people pushing for my lynch, so I gave Hiro all my logs of a conversation with another mason partner with which I had communicated extensively, to post them in case I die To guarantee that the logs were legit I sent Hiro this PM: To: HiroPro [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Crumb Date: 7/19/13 08:56 For eventual post-death of the two of us, I need you to post logs between me and *snipped* to show what we worked out in the chat. I left a crumb for you so people can trust your post. Sup newbs. I'm just posting to tell you that you all suck. You are simply bad. You should look for another game to play cause you keep wasting my time with your decisions. Open your eyes, S & B is scum. Also, marv is scum. And there are a lot of people who didn't post shit and went ignored. Ace openly mocks us with his play, and posts justin timberlake shit. Trust helps in rare occasions, alright? I don't know if Hiro joined the mafia in time for him to handle all we discussed to them, but I don't think so (cause I think Hiro would have flipped mafia tonight if that were the case). I suppose he masoned me D1 assuming I had a chance of being scum after my first post that could be considered fluff. Here's our PM's, there has been chat conversation but we both fucked up @ saving those logs. Original Message From HiroPro: Hi, I masoned you. Mind telling me who the hippie was? Or was it viscera? Original Message From HiroPro: I just finished reading the game. Yea, I haven't been around until now. I masoned you because you seem to have actual content to discuss but haven't posted a whole lot in the thread. I'm not entirely sure what Viscera is doing right now :/ He doesn't seem to be reading the thread. I dunno why nobody else has realized lol, but the post of Malongo's that Viscera is talking about doesn't even mention sloosh - it's about Meapak. And I know viscera hasn't bothered reading mz's post because if he had, he would have realized exactly what was "needlessly polarized" about it. Original Message From HiroPro: Not really. He's just weird right now. I'd kill sloosh right now. Original Message From HiroPro: I don't think he's mafia. I don't mind talking about him in thread - talked about it a little there. Original Message From HiroPro: Do you know gumshoe? Is he just an idiot or did he actually just slip up in the thread - read my last couple of posts on him. Original Message From HiroPro: Hm?I'm talking about this post of gumshoe's: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19212104 in my last two posts. not about layabout. vote's part of it. mainly the way his opinion on viscera seems really strange: at first it's like slightly suspicious+questioning =>then it's starting to think he might be town=> followed by full-blown scum read=> followed by voting for firmtofu? and this is all in a 2-minute period. Original Message From HiroPro: I don't think that has anything to do with why I'm suspicious of him. Like I'm reluctant to get into an argument with him, because there's nothing he can say to defend himself even if he is town. I just think it's a lot more likely that mafia makes inconsistencies like that and can't remember who to vote for. Like it was kind of funny when he was like yea no motive besides blunder. Like no shit motherfucker, I think you fucked up. The only reason not to lynch him right now is how active he is right now. Yes, ace's posting is pretty bad. But I don't really expect anything from him though since we're already so far into the day and he's in another game. Original Message From HiroPro: story of every game :/ just have to wait with those guys. I'll probably mason someone out of mz/wiggles/marv/ace d2 to see what's up. and hopefully someone vigs kush. sandroba hasn't even posted anything lol. he's probably mafia too if he just shows up and drops some drivel. Thing is, in the chat, Hiro came to similar conclusions as me and the other mason as to who the scumteam are. I don't know if he tried to join them though, I think he'd rather have waited for a better moment to do that He claimed that most, if not all of scum, were on the VE wagon D1, with exception of yamato and Oats. I agreed pretty much with exception of Oats who I wasn't sure about, and who actually has moved into scummish territory for his inactivity I associate with his scumplay. For today, I think we should lynch kholly. It's Chez, and it plays like mafia, and if he doesn't, he plays for mafia. ##Vote kholly | ||
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On July 19 2013 23:07 strongandbig wrote: Anyway voting tofu. The case is good enough that I don't need to 100% believe the cop claim to at least vote tofu for now. ##vote: firmtofu Which case do you like most? What arguments do you find particularly persuasive? Asking this cause I'm interested in knowing how your read evolved and based on what arguments. @ Rayn Didn't notice the cop claim when I wrote that post. I'm however very distrusting of ace. I prefer to wait for Tofu first and then work through his posts again before giving a judgment. | ||
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Can your reasoning against Tofu hence be reduced to this? - drh's meta comparison of this game to nuclear winter, where tofu flipped town; especially the comparison of the first big post tofu makes in each game - tofu starts off saying drh "made good points" about him then calls the same points lies when drh doesn't back off Did you find anything you find scummy that no one else noticed yet? Can you find me an example for the second point? What do you think is the difference in first post that makes him specifically scum? | ||
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At least he has to explain himself. Though, is is a temerary statement for him to make. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats | ||
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Vivax' post of scum destruction (very huge post) Here's the list of people who should get lynched (not the masons). Let'me start with how I think the D1 votes ended up in my version, I've deleted some stuff out to focus on the important votes (it assumes some people are town), black are people I'm still not sure of yet and where I think the last scum is hiding among: + Show Spoiler [Vote analysis] + On July 18 2013 12:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Vote count incoming. VisceraEyes - 6 Oatsmaster slOosh yamato77 Ace strongandbig kholly DoctorHelvetica - 1 Meapak_Ziphh Sloosh - 5 raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority HiroPro kushm4sta FirmTofu Kholly - 1 marvellosity Firmtofu - 1 DoctorHelvetica Meapak_ziphh - 5 Mr. Wiggles layabout Malongo gumshoe VisceraEyes VisceraEyes has 6 votes and is to be lynched. This will be finalized and posted in 20 minutes. If anyone can verify my count it would be appreciated. Here are recent logs with my masons, that's where I stood before going to bed. Trying to protect the 1st one's identity for now. + Show Spoiler [Mason 1] + [00:09] <Pasta> Hey x [00:09] <Pasta> took you a while [00:19] <MASON> hey [00:19] <MASON> what's up? [00:20] <Pasta> wanted to talk to you [00:20] <Pasta> you said you have no masons [00:21] <Pasta> Are you catched up on the game? [00:21] <MASON> more or less [00:21] <Pasta> what is missing [00:22] <MASON> well, I've read through once, skimmed once, but I haven't gone through too many individual filters today yet [00:22] <MASON> I'm haappy hiro flipped traitor [00:22] <MASON> I thought he looked scummy [00:22] <MASON> and it looked like scum who maybe shot him [00:23] <Pasta> you don't mention it in the thread though [00:23] <MASON> no [00:23] <MASON> someone else pmed me [00:23] <MASON> later [00:23] <Pasta> interesting [00:23] <MASON> and I mentioned it to them [00:24] <MASON> what do you think about the way the lynch is going today? [00:24] <Pasta> well [00:24] <Pasta> First I'd like to ask you a few questions [00:24] <Pasta> you have shown pretty low activity [00:24] <Pasta> I need to know what's going on in your head [00:24] <MASON> mhmm [00:24] <Pasta> Can you give me an analysis of what happened D1 [00:25] <Pasta> but first, your scumreads for this moment [00:25] <Pasta> or reads you think are very reliable [00:25] <Pasta> in general [00:25] <Pasta> by what I mean D1 I mean the stuff about VE [00:25] <Pasta> how the votes ended up [00:28] <MASON> Well, I'd say Rayn, Vayne, Dr. H are pretty likely to be town [00:29] <MASON> I'm going back and forth a bit on strong and big being scum [00:29] <MASON> and am also suspicious of layabout [00:29] <MASON> there's also probably a couple scum among the more lurky/content-less posters [00:29] <MASON> but I'm not worrying too much about them right now [00:30] <MASON> it's easier to catch scum from people who actually say things, and just let vigs deal with them until a little later in the game when mafia have no leadership [00:30] <Pasta> meh, vigs [00:30] <MASON> I don't know what to think of tofu [00:30] <MASON> I'm trying to read him more [00:30] <Pasta> i never understood why people rely on vigs [00:30] <Pasta> kill lurkers and stuff like that with a lynch [00:30] <Pasta> equally good [00:31] <MASON> it's a bit of a crapshoot though [00:31] <MASON> with the lynch [00:31] <Pasta> vigs supposed to shoot lurkers is more of a measure to avoid crapshoots [00:31] <Pasta> imo [00:31] <MASON> same with vigs, but then you don't spend time worrying about it [00:31] <MASON> yeah [00:31] <Pasta> But we're drifting off [00:32] <Pasta> Had a lot of discussion about tofu [00:32] <Pasta> with one of my masons [00:32] <Pasta> we have opposite opinions [00:32] <Pasta> what would yours be [00:32] <MASON> one thinks town, the other scum? [00:32] <Pasta> yeah [00:32] <MASON> I didn't think he was scum too much yesterday [00:32] <MASON> I'm going to re-read now [00:33] <Pasta> btw [00:33] <MASON> and then read Dr.H again [00:33] <Pasta> the S & B and laya thinkg [00:33] <Pasta> I'm very interested in those two as well [00:33] <Pasta> but I need some reasons from you [00:33] <Pasta> well [00:34] <Pasta> take your time [00:34] <Pasta> read through [00:34] <Pasta> tell me what you want [00:40] <MASON> layabout reads scummy, because he posts a lot, but doesn't really say anything. He also has some other details that make him look like scum. He asks lots of questions, and sometimes makes game-relevant statements, but doesn't spend anytime providing detail or explanation. It reminds me of his play in "The Game". So, it looks like he's saying a lot, but he's not really saying anything, just shooting out little bits of opinion that don't change t [00:41] <MASON> The other two things that look bad, are him saying he wants to make a case on you, and then back-tracking. i.e. not keeping in promises of having to make an actual contribution, and also his vote for VE feels quite weird. [00:42] <Pasta> Good [00:42] <Pasta> Not just that [00:42] <Pasta> he's simply obviously not interested into solving the game [00:43] <MASON> It feels like a lot of his reason for voting him was based on the claim. There was a lot of analysis based on his behaviour, but he uses the claim as part of it, but then he doesn't have to accept responsibility for being wrong, as it has more to do with policy [00:43] <MASON> yeah [00:43] <MASON> the analysis done by others* [00:43] <Pasta> You still got MZ as scum? [00:43] <MASON> that sounds confusin [00:45] <MASON> I'm not as sure now [00:46] <MASON> he was the other person who pmed me [00:46] <Pasta> Did you talk much [00:46] <MASON> and in PMs he seems a lot more reasonable, so I'm not sure what he's doing in the thread [00:46] <MASON> a bit [00:46] <MASON> a few pms back and forth with reads [00:46] <Pasta> you still got two unused masons? [00:46] <MASON> and they seem reasonable [00:46] <MASON> yes [00:47] <Pasta> hmm [00:47] <Pasta> the thing is [00:47] <Pasta> where is SlOosh all of a sudden [00:47] <Pasta> if you don't suspect MZ anymore [00:48] <Pasta> and VE was lynched [00:48] <Pasta> what about the SlOosh wagon [00:49] <Pasta> doesn't it lead you to certain conclusions [00:49] <Pasta> ? [00:49] <MASON> I don't like that sloosh has disappeared now that the pressure on him is gone [00:49] <Pasta> there's that [00:49] <Pasta> but not only [00:50] <Pasta> that's the reason I aske you to look at D1 votes [00:50] <Pasta> did you read yammo's filter? [00:50] <MASON> yeah, just took a look [00:50] <Pasta> any deductions? [00:50] <MASON> he soft=defends him quite a bit [00:50] <Pasta> uh, didn't even see that [00:51] <MASON> might be that mafia just don't care about him [00:51] <MASON> after day 1 [00:51] <MASON> because they thought he was too far gone [00:51] <Pasta> oh I see [00:51] <MASON> since yamato looks like he's turning on him later [00:51] <MASON> but if he's amfia, that could easily be a bus [00:52] <MASON> since sloosh hadn't done anything by then but defend himself [00:52] <Pasta> who would you lynch, if you had to pick immediately [00:52] <MASON> the other thing though, is that he puts qualifiers on killing sloosh [00:52] <MASON> layabout [00:52] <MASON> if I just had to pick right now [00:52] <Pasta> ok [00:53] <Pasta> Did you look at the D1 votes yet? [00:53] <Pasta> how they ended up [00:53] <Pasta> can you deliver me some analysis [00:53] <MASON> huh [00:53] <Pasta> they have a certain characteristic [00:53] <MASON> didn't realize sloosh was at 5 [00:54] <MASON> well there's the obvious thing of kholly switichng at the end [00:55] <MASON> but the votes were also all quite close [00:55] <MASON> and the wagon on meapak formed very close to the end of the day [00:55] <MASON> after the ve claim [00:55] <MASON> but after that, no one seemed to be paying as much attention to sloosh [00:55] <MASON> a lot of the scummier looking people were on ve [00:56] <MASON> with the townier people split across [00:56] <MASON> sloosh and mz more [00:56] <Pasta> What I see is [00:56] <Pasta> not a single scummy person on SlOosh [00:57] <Pasta> ever [00:57] <MASON> hiro [00:57] <MASON> but besides him, not really [00:57] <Pasta> well, i don't count hiro as scum [00:57] <Pasta> at that stag [00:57] <Pasta> we had similar reads [00:57] <Pasta> in mason chat [00:58] <Pasta> he mainly wanted a bag of silent cred and to survive i think [00:59] <Pasta> I think I'll push a SlOosh lynch [01:00] <Pasta> Yamato points to MZ town and SlOosh scum [01:00] <Pasta> the wagons look bad for him [01:00] <Pasta> he fucked off after attacks stopped [01:00] <MASON> all good points [01:00] <Pasta> but if I'm telling you this it's cause I need your axe [01:01] <Pasta> what do you think of the FT lynch [01:01] <MASON> we can even follow yamato's advice! [01:01] <MASON> Sloosh is looking many times worse after I left the thread. He is more than capable of solid analysis as a town player, yet has contributed very little that I would call meaningful. Watch him day 2, and if he doesn't improve, lynch him. [01:01] <MASON> still ahven't read him [01:01] <MASON> talking to you, haha [01:01] <MASON> I'd need a little [01:01] <Pasta> well that's why I asked you if you catched up -.- [01:02] <MASON> to look over him again [01:02] <MASON> I told you I hadn't read him [01:02] <Pasta> I actually want to chat with people who say they are prepared [01:02] <Pasta> to avoid justifications for delays [01:02] <Pasta> so, prepare yourself [01:02] <Pasta> then we talk again [01:14] <Pasta> you're kinda inactive this game *snip* [01:16] <MASON> no idea, didn't follow it [01:18] <MASON> done reading tofu, he seems worse to me than before [01:18] <Pasta> heh [01:19] <MASON> don't know if it's enough to lynch him though [01:19] <Pasta> he asked people to get off ve [01:19] <Pasta> ended up on sloosh [01:19] <Pasta> posts a load [01:19] <Pasta> he makes mistakes, is loud, sometimes clumsy [01:19] <Pasta> wouldn't lynch [01:19] <MASON> yeah [01:19] <Pasta> ah crap *snip* [01:20] <MASON> I just don't like how he calls sloosh a town read, then votes ve, unvotes ve, says sloosh is a better lynch because of the roleclaim, even though he still had the town read, and didn't give indication of a scum read, then says he thinks sloohs is scum, and then flips again the next day because yamato gave a weak post saying to maybe kill him [01:21] <Pasta> his scumread was drh [01:21] <MASON> I meant on sloosh [01:21] <Pasta> well he had no real scumread on him [01:21] <Pasta> afaik [01:21] <MASON> yeah [01:22] <MASON> that's why it looks worse [01:22] <MASON> he called him town [01:22] <MASON> then votes him anyways because of the role claim [01:22] <MASON> could just have been a dumb decision though [01:22] <Pasta> and you think scum's more likely to do that? [01:22] <Pasta> lol [01:22] <Pasta> it's inconsistent [01:22] <Pasta> it's stupid [01:22] <MASON> scum would know that ve was town [01:22] <MASON> so it looks worse if they were on the lynch of a power role [01:23] <Pasta> or [01:23] <MASON> he also later says that anyone who voted ve needs to be looked at [01:23] <MASON> so it's consistent [01:23] <Pasta> they would try to lynch that power role [01:23] <Pasta> not all scum are scared [01:23] <Pasta> I'm one of the few going for wagon analysis actually [01:24] <Pasta> Why do that [01:24] <Pasta> Why try to save VE [01:24] <Pasta> he had written a case on him [01:24] <Pasta> people were doubting his claim [01:24] <Pasta> renounce on lynching a powerrole [01:24] <Pasta> being afraid to look worse? [01:25] <Pasta> how is scum supposed to get good mislynches that way [01:26] <Pasta> Tofu is too bold to be scum imho [01:26] <Pasta> almost suicidal [01:26] <Pasta> not ace's way of being suicidal [01:26] <Pasta> it's so ironic actually [01:26] <Pasta> ace spits in town's face [01:27] <Pasta> doing nothing [01:27] <Pasta> tofu is on the block [01:27] <Pasta> for doing mistakes, but trying to do stuff [01:27] <Pasta> it's a sad day [01:27] <MASON> yeah [01:27] <MASON> what you say makes sense [01:28] <Pasta> Any opinion on marv? [01:30] <MASON> I was null on hapa when he came in [01:30] <MASON> he seems alright [01:30] <MASON> now [01:31] <MASON> his target's quite easy [01:31] <Pasta> kinda inactive for marv don't you think [01:31] <MASON> but I'm not sure how much that means [01:31] <Pasta> he usually likes to take the reins [01:32] <MASON> is that still true when he replaces in though? [01:32] <Pasta> well, he should have catched up since ages [01:32] <Pasta> or for* [01:32] <Pasta> idk [01:32] <Pasta> lol [01:32] <MASON> haha [01:33] <MASON> I'm not too familiar with everyone's meta anymore [01:33] <Pasta> it's not just the meta [01:33] <Pasta> he seems kinda weak on pushing his lynch target [01:33] <Pasta> and frankly, FT I don't think is a good target [01:33] <MASON> what do you think of his target of kholly? [01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a fine target [01:34] <Pasta> i mean [01:34] <Pasta> you can't say much against tha [01:34] <Pasta> there are good lynches and bad lynches [01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a good lynch [01:35] <Pasta> I'm not adverse to policy lynching [01:35] <Pasta> There are arguments out there [01:35] <Pasta> saying that it's Chez playing like scum chez [01:35] <Pasta> but I'm not that sure [01:35] <Pasta> the guy is unpredictable [01:36] <MASON> ywah, he's unpredicatable, self-aware, and he trolls [01:36] <Pasta> But one thing makes him suspicious [01:36] <Pasta> his voteswitch [01:37] <MASON> yes, that would be the big thing [01:37] <Pasta> can you give me "your version" of events [01:37] <Pasta> for the D1 vote development [01:38] <Pasta> need to look something up [01:38] <Pasta> has to do with you [01:38] <Pasta> if it fits my theory [01:38] <Pasta> it might get you into trouble [01:38] <MASON> well, the day started off with the normal sorts of votes, for pressure, or as quick reactions [01:38] <Pasta> the wagons [01:38] <Pasta> there were 3 wagons [01:39] <MASON> yeah [01:39] <MASON> I'm getting there [01:39] <MASON> the initial sloosh wagon emerged based on his talk about pms [01:39] <MASON> and had some strong initial support [01:40] <MASON> but then people got embroiled in the Dr.H vs Tofu stuff, and the wagon starting for VE [01:40] <MASON> VE didn't do a good job defending himseld [01:40] <MASON> so his wagon picked up a lot of speed [01:41] <MASON> at that point, the sloosh wagon started to be seen as the alternative to the ve wagon [01:41] <Pasta> yup [01:41] <MASON> so there was some more support for it from people who didn't want to lynch VE neccessarily [01:41] <MASON> I was yelling in the thread about MZ though [01:41] <MASON> and some other people were coming around [01:42] <MASON> so, there was some switching onto mz [01:42] <MASON> but that wagon acutlaly picked up a lot of votes very quickly [01:42] <MASON> it was the sort of alternative wagon to VE that peole thought had a better chance of being scum, and again, people started to avoid the sloosh wagon [01:43] <MASON> for whatever reason [01:43] <MASON> so, MZ picked up a lot of votes, very quickly, very close to the deadline [01:43] <MASON> but there weren't enough [01:43] <MASON> and VE got lynched [01:43] <MASON> the sloosh wagon picked up a good amount of votes early [01:43] <MASON> then more slowly throughout the day [01:44] <MASON> the VE wagon started in the middle of the day and went strong until the end [01:44] <MASON> and the MZ wagon had little support initially, but then turned into a large bandwagon right near the end of the day [01:47] <Pasta> imagine you're scum now [01:47] <Pasta> SlOosh is scum [01:47] <Pasta> You're comfortably pushing the VE wagon [01:47] <Pasta> then he claims america [01:47] <Pasta> and people start getting off him [01:48] <Pasta> threatening to lynch SlOosh [01:48] <Pasta> what will you do [01:48] <Pasta> Btw I checked the thing *snip* [01:48] <MASON> mhmm *snip* [01:49] <MASON> scum would either try to rally people back to VE, or they would jump on the next best wagon [01:49] <Pasta> yeah [01:49] <Pasta> that's what we look for [01:49] <MASON> if sloosh is their scumbuddy, that wagon is mz [01:49] <Pasta> also notice [01:49] <Pasta> I posted the post about S & B [01:49] <Pasta> with list of his scumreads [01:50] <Pasta> it has sloosh in it [01:50] <Pasta> but he never pursues it after the first mention [01:50] <Pasta> and ends up on VE [01:50] <Pasta> need to check if he retracted it before voting him though [02:03] <Pasta> while rereading that part [02:03] <Pasta> there's some stuff about FT [02:03] <Pasta> www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19213419 [02:04] <Pasta> but well [02:04] <Pasta> he can justify saying he didn't know the mechanics [02:04] <Pasta> although I had posted them in the thread [02:10] <Pasta> oh wow [02:10] <Pasta> there's a post by layabout that's just terrible [02:13] <Pasta> holy shit [02:13] <Pasta> kholly fakeclaiming DT check [02:13] <Pasta> on me [02:17] <Pasta> I want to post these logs immediately [02:17] <Pasta> need to talk The other mason is Koshi, he already announced we are masoned, so no point in protecting his identity, he shows a flexibility in reads and fuck-it attitude when I ask him for SlOosh support that suggest he's town.: + Show Spoiler [Koshi] + [11:03] <Koshi> Hi [11:03] <@Pasta> hey koshi [11:04] <@Pasta> Can you give me quickly a few reads of yours [11:04] <@Pasta> just the names [11:04] <Koshi> HZ town [11:04] <Koshi> Firmtofu scum [11:04] <Koshi> That's kind ait [11:04] <@Pasta> did you read yamato? [11:04] <Koshi> kinda it* [11:04] <@Pasta> post-flip [11:05] <Koshi> I read his log [11:05] <@Pasta> the drh one? [11:05] <Koshi> His last message was interesting [11:05] <Koshi> No sec let me reread [11:06] <Koshi> he says that DH is not scum because DH is too emotional. That one? [11:08] <@Pasta> Well I was asking [11:08] <@Pasta> if you get any conclusions from reading yamato's filter [11:08] <@Pasta> now thta you know he's mafia [11:09] <@Pasta> 1 is pretty simple [11:09] <@Pasta> VE was the scum bandwagon of choice [11:09] <Koshi> Well, I found his last post strange. Where he says that we should lynch Sloosh, Ace and MG. Because he made that post in case that he would die, or he really didn't think he would die and wanted some town cred. [11:09] <Koshi> ah [11:10] <Koshi> Yeah VE was bandwagon for scum, I said that during night, [11:10] <@Pasta> what do you mean with town cred [11:10] <@Pasta> from thata post [11:11] <Koshi> That's what all town was saying, so he wanted to look like he belonged in the group. [11:11] <@Pasta> ah [11:12] <Koshi> Do you know FirmTofu well? [11:12] <@Pasta> I discussed him quite a lot with the other guy [11:12] <@Pasta> but I remain inconclusive on him [11:13] <@Pasta> Let me read your posts a sec [11:13] <@Pasta> to get an impression of where you stand [11:13] <Koshi> Ok. He really plays different than in the Nuclear game. Really strange how he suddenly backed off VE. [11:13] <Koshi> ok [11:13] <Koshi> I am watching IM atm, I am a big fan [11:14] <Koshi> Looks like I wont do much working -_- [11:14] <@Pasta> im? [11:14] <@Pasta> incredible miracle or what [11:15] <Koshi> yes in GSTL [11:15] <Koshi> Game 1 will start soon. [11:15] <@Pasta> alright [11:15] <@Pasta> question: Why didn't you mention VE among your reads? [11:16] <@Pasta> (I wish I could watch streams btw, but I have a shitty connection once I reach a bandwidth limit per month) [11:16] <@Pasta> not ve [11:16] <@Pasta> ACE [11:16] <@Pasta> cause you mention him as red in ur last post [11:16] <Koshi> I don't know what you mean [11:17] <Koshi> You mean now? In chat? [11:17] <@Pasta> yeah [11:17] <@Pasta> when i asked for reads [11:17] <@Pasta> you didn't say ace [11:17] <Koshi> Ace and Malongo are just being jackasses [11:17] <Koshi> I don't know what to say [11:17] <@Pasta> don't you think jackasses can be scum? [11:17] <Koshi> Sure. But what else is there to say. [11:17] <@Pasta> well [11:17] <Koshi> I can't give more info on Ace. [11:20] <@Pasta> I'm interested [11:20] <@Pasta> into why you mention ace but not malongo [11:21] <@Pasta> since they seem to fall into same category [11:21] <@Pasta> I'm aware you are a newbie btw [11:21] <@Pasta> just be honest [11:23] <@Pasta> but oh well [11:23] <@Pasta> you voted him previousy [11:24] <@Pasta> need to read fully before asking questions [11:25] <@Pasta> oh you even requested for me to mason you lol [11:25] <@Pasta> didn't see it sorry [11:25] <Koshi> np. I started the night post also explaining why I voted him [11:25] <Koshi> cleaning lady came in had to stop typing for a minute :D [11:26] <@Pasta> np [11:27] <@Pasta> Can I ask you what you were thinking around the VE lynch? [11:27] <Koshi> Well in ly nightpost I already say that we should take a good look at all the people voting for VE. We will find some scum there. [11:27] <Koshi> I still believe that. [11:28] <@Pasta> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? [11:28] <Koshi> However, with yamato already dieing [11:28] <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon [11:28] <@Pasta> you say FT is scum [11:28] <@Pasta> he was on SlOosh [11:29] <@Pasta> of which I'm quite suspicious [11:29] <@Pasta> there is much evidence that points to him being scum [11:30] <Koshi> It depends, if MG or Sloosh is scum then they will have taken a bigger risk maybe to save them and put 3 guys on VE? But they can't put 4 on them, so that's why I think FirmTofu left [11:30] <@Pasta> mg? [11:30] <Koshi> It is really strange how FirmTofu used CAPS to suddenly save VE. It is not his style to stop a tunnel. At least it wasn't in nuclear. [11:30] <@Pasta> mz? [11:31] <Koshi> The guy with 5 votes [11:31] <Koshi> I forgot name [11:31] <@Pasta> can you answer previous two questions too please? [11:31] <Koshi> ok [11:31] <@Pasta> thx bro [11:31] <@Pasta> really glad you've masoned me actually [11:32] <@Pasta> I masoned a guy who didn't reply for quite a while [11:32] <@Pasta> still don't know what he's up to [11:34] <Koshi> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? ---> Nope, I don't know about any scum, and I have major problems reading people. I would say rayn is town as well, but I don't know, him being silenced might be a scum play because rayn was saying too much in the PMs? Dont know. [11:35] <Koshi> But I see rayn as town. [11:35] <Koshi> <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon ------> My big day post will be around this. I have no clue atm but I will make a big post about it in the thread. [11:36] <@Pasta> alrighty then [11:36] <@Pasta> question then, why did you push VE but not vote for him? [11:37] <Koshi> I did not really push him. I really stared a LOONG ass time at this thread before I could say anything. I just didn't know what to type [11:37] <Koshi> But after reading filters I eventually ended up on VE. I made a case around him. [11:38] <@Pasta> I just find it kinda strange [11:38] <@Pasta> you write a case on VE [11:38] <@Pasta> and end up on Malongo [11:38] <Koshi> Yes, I don't like voting for people who make big posts. [11:39] <@Pasta> o [11:39] <@Pasta> k [11:39] <@Pasta> do you mind if I'm asking you so many questions? [11:39] <@Pasta> or do you have questions [11:40] <@Pasta> you seemed to suggest you're looking for advice [11:40] <Koshi> Nha, at this point I understand that I am super pro town looking. So you asking me questions is always good. [11:40] <Koshi> not super pro town* [11:41] <Koshi> Do you agree making a post about the remaining 5 guys that were on VE wagon is a good idea? [11:41] <Koshi> Because I will put a lot of time in that. [11:41] <@Pasta> well [11:42] <@Pasta> you think scum all ended up there? [11:42] <Koshi> With the nucclear game also still going (and it is money time) I have only so many hours [11:42] <Koshi> I think there is at least 1 more scum there [11:43] <Koshi> Or I think there is a good chance. Like 90% 1 more scum and 40% 2 more scum, and maybe there is a reason why firmtofu left the VE ship. [11:43] <Koshi> Thats like all I got for this game. [11:43] <@Pasta> What do you think of SlOosh [11:44] <Koshi> 1 question for you. Why did you stop that act with Constable Guido? Was it a one time post? An intro? [11:44] <Koshi> Everybody is on Sloosh so I didn't paid too much attention to it. [11:44] <Koshi> I shall give Sloosh a chapter in my big post as well [11:45] <@Pasta> well I stopped cause I felt serious about S & B [11:45] <@Pasta> need to be serious for people to listen to me [11:45] <@Pasta> and cause of laziness [11:45] <@Pasta> needs effort to write up stories [11:45] <@Pasta> Anyway, do you think SlOosh could be scum or not? [11:45] <@Pasta> tendentially [11:46] <Koshi> I really have 0 clues soz. Without reading. [11:47] <@Pasta> well I would be grateful if you read it at some point [11:47] <@Pasta> this game is all about reading [11:50] <Koshi> I have read it, I just don't really remember without rereading. [11:50] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:51] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:52] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:52] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. [11:52] <@Pasta> ok [11:53] <Koshi> On the other hand. He kinda gave a comment about Hiro being useless. And then Hiro ended up dieing... But that is situational I guess. [11:54] <Koshi> Nha, if I had all the power I wouldn't lynch sloosh [11:55] <Koshi> He is just reading the game and giving good comments. He is playing the game, scum or not. [12:01] <Koshi> Send me a pm when you want to talk again. [12:01] <Koshi> ok? [12:02] <@Pasta> sure [12:02] <Koshi> laters. [11:04] <@Pasta> Can you give me quickly a few reads of yours [11:04] <@Pasta> just the names [11:04] <Koshi> HZ town [11:04] <Koshi> Firmtofu scum [11:04] <Koshi> That's kind ait [11:04] <@Pasta> did you read yamato? [11:04] <Koshi> kinda it* [11:04] <@Pasta> post-flip [11:05] <Koshi> I read his log [11:05] <@Pasta> the drh one? [11:05] <Koshi> His last message was interesting [11:05] <Koshi> No sec let me reread [11:06] <Koshi> he says that DH is not scum because DH is too emotional. That one? [11:08] <@Pasta> Well I was asking [11:08] <@Pasta> if you get any conclusions from reading yamato's filter [11:08] <@Pasta> now thta you know he's mafia [11:09] <@Pasta> 1 is pretty simple [11:09] <@Pasta> VE was the scum bandwagon of choice [11:09] <Koshi> Well, I found his last post strange. Where he says that we should lynch Sloosh, Ace and MG. Because he made that post in case that he would die, or he really didn't think he would die and wanted some town cred. [11:09] <Koshi> ah [11:10] <Koshi> Yeah VE was bandwagon for scum, I said that during night, [11:10] <@Pasta> what do you mean with town cred [11:10] <@Pasta> from thata post [11:11] <Koshi> That's what all town was saying, so he wanted to look like he belonged in the group. [11:11] <@Pasta> ah [11:12] <Koshi> Do you know FirmTofu well? [11:12] <@Pasta> I discussed him quite a lot with the other guy [11:12] <@Pasta> but I remain inconclusive on him [11:13] <@Pasta> Let me read your posts a sec [11:13] <@Pasta> to get an impression of where you stand [11:13] <Koshi> Ok. He really plays different than in the Nuclear game. Really strange how he suddenly backed off VE. [11:13] <Koshi> ok [11:13] <Koshi> I am watching IM atm, I am a big fan [11:14] <Koshi> Looks like I wont do much working -_- [11:14] <@Pasta> im? [11:14] <@Pasta> incredible miracle or what [11:15] <Koshi> yes in GSTL [11:15] <Koshi> Game 1 will start soon. [11:15] <@Pasta> alright [11:15] <@Pasta> question: Why didn't you mention VE among your reads? [11:16] <@Pasta> (I wish I could watch streams btw, but I have a shitty connection once I reach a bandwidth limit per month) [11:16] <@Pasta> not ve [11:16] <@Pasta> ACE [11:16] <@Pasta> cause you mention him as red in ur last post [11:16] <Koshi> I don't know what you mean [11:17] <Koshi> You mean now? In chat? [11:17] <@Pasta> yeah [11:17] <@Pasta> when i asked for reads [11:17] <@Pasta> you didn't say ace [11:17] <Koshi> Ace and Malongo are just being jackasses [11:17] <Koshi> I don't know what to say [11:17] <@Pasta> don't you think jackasses can be scum? [11:17] <Koshi> Sure. But what else is there to say. [11:17] <@Pasta> well [11:17] <Koshi> I can't give more info on Ace. [11:18] <Koshi> Ok are you reading the Mafia game? [11:18] <@Pasta> sure [11:18] <Koshi> Do you know somebody still there? [11:18] <@Pasta> sorry I don't understand [11:18] <Koshi> lol [11:18] <Koshi> sorry [11:18] <Koshi> I mean. Are you reading the nuclear mafia game [11:18] <@Pasta> ah [11:18] <@Pasta> no [11:20] <@Pasta> I'm interested [11:20] <@Pasta> into why you mention ace but not malongo [11:21] <@Pasta> since they seem to fall into same category [11:21] <@Pasta> I'm aware you are a newbie btw [11:21] <@Pasta> just be honest [11:23] <@Pasta> but oh well [11:23] <@Pasta> you voted him previousy [11:24] <@Pasta> need to read fully before asking questions [11:25] <@Pasta> oh you even requested for me to mason you lol [11:25] <@Pasta> didn't see it sorry [11:25] <Koshi> np. I started the night post also explaining why I voted him [11:25] <Koshi> cleaning lady came in had to stop typing for a minute :D [11:26] <@Pasta> np [11:27] <@Pasta> Can I ask you what you were thinking around the VE lynch? [11:27] <Koshi> Well in ly nightpost I already say that we should take a good look at all the people voting for VE. We will find some scum there. [11:27] <Koshi> I still believe that. [11:28] <@Pasta> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? [11:28] <Koshi> However, with yamato already dieing [11:28] <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon [11:28] <@Pasta> you say FT is scum [11:28] <@Pasta> he was on SlOosh [11:29] <@Pasta> of which I'm quite suspicious [11:29] <@Pasta> there is much evidence that points to him being scum [11:30] <Koshi> It depends, if MG or Sloosh is scum then they will have taken a bigger risk maybe to save them and put 3 guys on VE? But they can't put 4 on them, so that's why I think FirmTofu left [11:30] <@Pasta> mg? [11:30] <Koshi> It is really strange how FirmTofu used CAPS to suddenly save VE. It is not his style to stop a tunnel. At least it wasn't in nuclear. [11:30] <@Pasta> mz? [11:31] <Koshi> The guy with 5 votes [11:31] <Koshi> I forgot name [11:31] <@Pasta> can you answer previous two questions too please? [11:31] <Koshi> ok [11:31] <@Pasta> thx bro [11:31] <@Pasta> really glad you've masoned me actually [11:32] <@Pasta> I masoned a guy who didn't reply for quite a while [11:32] <@Pasta> still don't know what he's up to [11:34] <Koshi> do you know of people pushing VE but not voting him? ---> Nope, I don't know about any scum, and I have major problems reading people. I would say rayn is town as well, but I don't know, him being silenced might be a scum play because rayn was saying too much in the PMs? Dont know. [11:35] <Koshi> But I see rayn as town. [11:35] <Koshi> <@Pasta> and which do you think are most likely to be scumon that wagon ------> My big day post will be around this. I have no clue atm but I will make a big post about it in the thread. [11:36] <@Pasta> alrighty then [11:36] <@Pasta> question then, why did you push VE but not vote for him? [11:37] <Koshi> I did not really push him. I really stared a LOONG ass time at this thread before I could say anything. I just didn't know what to type [11:37] <Koshi> But after reading filters I eventually ended up on VE. I made a case around him. [11:38] <@Pasta> I just find it kinda strange [11:38] <@Pasta> you write a case on VE [11:38] <@Pasta> and end up on Malongo [11:38] <Koshi> Yes, I don't like voting for people who make big posts. [11:39] <@Pasta> o [11:39] <@Pasta> k [11:39] <@Pasta> do you mind if I'm asking you so many questions? [11:39] <@Pasta> or do you have questions [11:40] <@Pasta> you seemed to suggest you're looking for advice [11:40] <Koshi> Nha, at this point I understand that I am super pro town looking. So you asking me questions is always good. [11:40] <Koshi> not super pro town* [11:41] <Koshi> Do you agree making a post about the remaining 5 guys that were on VE wagon is a good idea? [11:41] <Koshi> Because I will put a lot of time in that. [11:41] <@Pasta> well [11:42] <@Pasta> you think scum all ended up there? [11:42] <Koshi> With the nucclear game also still going (and it is money time) I have only so many hours [11:42] <Koshi> I think there is at least 1 more scum there [11:43] <Koshi> Or I think there is a good chance. Like 90% 1 more scum and 40% 2 more scum, and maybe there is a reason why firmtofu left the VE ship. [11:43] <Koshi> Thats like all I got for this game. [11:43] <@Pasta> What do you think of SlOosh [11:44] <Koshi> 1 question for you. Why did you stop that act with Constable Guido? Was it a one time post? An intro? [11:44] <Koshi> Everybody is on Sloosh so I didn't paid too much attention to it. [11:44] <Koshi> I shall give Sloosh a chapter in my big post as well [11:45] <@Pasta> well I stopped cause I felt serious about S & B [11:45] <@Pasta> need to be serious for people to listen to me [11:45] <@Pasta> and cause of laziness [11:45] <@Pasta> needs effort to write up stories [11:45] <@Pasta> Anyway, do you think SlOosh could be scum or not? [11:45] <@Pasta> tendentially [11:46] <Koshi> I really have 0 clues soz. Without reading. [11:47] <@Pasta> well I would be grateful if you read it at some point [11:47] <@Pasta> this game is all about reading [11:50] <Koshi> I have read it, I just don't really remember without rereading. [11:50] <Koshi> Sloosh --> Looks not scummy to me. He makes good posts and calls stuff like they are. [11:51] <Koshi> He also looks like a good player, so if he is not lynched it will become clear if he is useless or not [11:52] <Koshi> If he is scum he is a good scum, if he isn't scum we can use him. [11:52] <Koshi> I wouldn't take the risk lynching. [11:52] <@Pasta> ok [11:53] <Koshi> On the other hand. He kinda gave a comment about Hiro being useless. And then Hiro ended up dieing... But that is situational I guess. [11:54] <Koshi> Nha, if I had all the power I wouldn't lynch sloosh [11:55] <Koshi> He is just reading the game and giving good comments. He is playing the game, scum or not. [12:01] <Koshi> Send me a pm when you want to talk again. [12:01] <Koshi> ok? [12:02] <@Pasta> sure [12:02] <Koshi> laters. [13:36] <Koshi> Hi are you here? [13:37] <Koshi> I ll lay down my ideas about the lynch. I want to hear your opinion because this is what I will use to make my post. [13:39] <Koshi> So after looking at the 3 targets: MZ, VE and Sloosh. I think that they are all 3 town or scum had some guys that could give a last vote to VE if needed, but that would be so risky to do. [13:40] <Koshi> Sloosh is in my eyes not scum, and on top of that FT voted on him. (HZ is confirmed town for me with his insane posting, I wonder if scum would take such a risk) [13:41] <Koshi> MZ is such a weirdo, maybe he is scum, but meh, why did he waste his vote. [13:41] <Koshi> I got a question, what happens in a tie situation? [13:43] <@Pasta> hi [13:44] <@Pasta> I don't think MZ is scum [13:44] <Koshi> yeah same. He is being too obvious about it. [13:45] <Koshi> Do you think Sloosh is scum? I see that you voted a lot on him. But eventually went SnB [13:45] <@Pasta> I didn't feel like lynching neither him nor VE D1 [13:45] <@Pasta> but now I think he could be scum [13:45] <@Pasta> reason being the bandwagons [13:45] <Koshi> Ok, so it comes down that probably scum didn't have to really take a risk on VE. The only reason they wanted him death over the other 2 is because he was America [13:47] <@Pasta> No [13:47] <@Pasta> I think SlOosh was scum lynch [13:47] <@Pasta> But scum needed another bandwagon and they didn't want to end all up on the same guy [13:48] <@Pasta> They needed it cause VE claimed [13:48] <@Pasta> and they were afraid people would go to SlOosh then [13:48] <@Pasta> the atmosphere allowed for a lurker lynch [13:48] <@Pasta> picking MZ out of malongo and ace is also suspicious [13:49] <@Pasta> anyway, that's why I think they started pushing MZ too [13:49] <@Pasta> and if kholly is scum [13:49] <@Pasta> it all fits [13:49] <Koshi> You say that scum wanted to lynch one of their own? Or that scum wanted to lynch a town Sloosh? [13:49] <@Pasta> no [13:49] <@Pasta> I say sloosh is scum [13:49] <@Pasta> and MZ is town [13:49] <Koshi> ok. [13:50] <Koshi> So kholly or Snb is probably the scum left on the VE wagon? [13:51] <@Pasta> yeah [13:51] <@Pasta> layabout, malongo ace [13:51] <@Pasta> i don't like these guys either [13:52] <@Pasta> currently leaning on FT being bad townie [13:52] <Koshi> Really? hmm I don't agree there. [13:52] <@Pasta> well, try to persuade me then [13:52] <Koshi> DH is 100% town right? [13:52] <@Pasta> what's scummy about him that I don't see [13:53] <Koshi> First of all. FirmTofu is a heavy tunneler. If you want I can look in his nuclear game and prove that. [13:53] <Koshi> I see no reason why he suddenly swapped away from VE and capslock defended him [13:53] <Koshi> But only ONCE defended him [13:54] <Koshi> If FT is certain about something. He will give the reasons why [13:54] <Koshi> not only once. [13:55] <Koshi> That's pure the feeling I got from him playing nuclear. I should verify that and will do that for my big post. [13:55] <Koshi> You will read it there ;D [13:55] <Koshi> DH is 100% town because he is taking such risks with his posting. [13:55] <Koshi> 40 messages? Jeezus he could get modkilled. [13:56] <Koshi> He is 6/15 already in Day 2 and will probably go way over it again. People also don't udnerstand you can only give 5 posts away in total and receive 5 posts in total. [13:57] <Koshi> So... DH is probably a modkill soon and I can't see how scummy DH would do that. So his certainty about TF is pure emotion. [13:58] <Koshi> add that with my own suspiciousness. I am going to get FT lynched as well. [13:58] <Koshi> Ace also says FT came out red. [13:58] <Koshi> FT should just get killed so we know what's up. [13:58] <Koshi> Town looking pretty good btw. 2/7 scum death if you count traitor. pretty good :d [13:59] <Koshi> Anyway, to go back where I started [13:59] <@Pasta> im not a huge fan of meta [13:59] <@Pasta> meta got ve lynched [13:59] <@Pasta> but i use it too [13:59] <@Pasta> tbh [13:59] <@Pasta> it's what makes oats look bad [14:01] <Koshi> I can say that oats is 99% confirmed scum in the nuclear game. But I can't reveale too much about it with me also still being in the game and stuff... [14:01] <@Pasta> I'm hinting to him being scum here [14:01] <@Pasta> I don't care about nuclear [14:01] <@Pasta> (I hope I'm not sounding hostile) [14:02] <Koshi> nha it's all good [14:02] <@Pasta> but I want to go with what's in this game [14:03] <Koshi> yeah, because I can't read properly I am putting to much attention into meta and conspiracies. [14:04] <Koshi> Ok. I need to do some work. I think I will just make my big post and see what happens. [14:04] <Koshi> Most of the time I get ignored anyway [14:04] <Koshi> Thx for your time. [14:06] <@Pasta> np [01:45] <Viv> man [01:45] <Viv> joined wrong channel [01:45] <Viv> typed in the name I used for Hiro [01:46] <@Koshi> hehe [01:46] <@Koshi> You and HiroPro were masons? [01:51] <Viv> yeah [01:51] <Viv> posted in the thread [01:51] <Viv> :d [01:51] <Viv> the logs are there [01:51] <Viv> only pm logs [01:51] <Viv> fucked up saving irc logs [01:51] <Viv> -.- [01:51] <Viv> anyway [01:52] <Viv> who do you think will you lynch today [01:52] <@Koshi> Meh, long day still. imo too many people are lurking atm. [01:53] <@Koshi> FT came out better today, dnu is scum is licking their wounds or just trying to hide in teh shadows [01:53] <@Koshi> Rayn looked a bit bad not? [01:53] <Viv> Not really [01:53] <@Koshi> Was gumshoe confirmed blue? [01:54] <Viv> yeah [01:54] <Viv> bodyguard [01:54] <@Koshi> ah, ok I missed that [01:54] <@Koshi> Yeah but before that [01:54] <@Koshi> before the kill [01:54] <Viv> ah [01:54] <Viv> idk [01:54] <Viv> i think I'm close to scum [01:54] <@Koshi> I pressured Rayn on that. Rayn replied with Gunshoe being a confirmed blue [01:55] <@Koshi> 2) gumshoe was claimed blue, is that not a good reason to hit someone? [01:55] <@Koshi> Dnu what that means actually. "claimed blue" [01:55] <Viv> well [01:55] <Viv> when someone says he has a role [01:55] <Viv> he claims blue [01:56] <Viv> cause roles usually are written in blue [01:56] <@Koshi> ahhyeah obviously. I missed Gumshoe saying that but it is possible. [01:56] <@Koshi> So who you think is scum? [01:56] <Viv> see this quote from yamato [01:56] <Viv> filter Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE? [01:57] <@Koshi> I remember that sentence. [01:57] <Viv> afk lurker mode [01:57] <Viv> do you think sloosh fits the profile? [01:57] <@Koshi> No, I already said that. [01:57] <Viv> :/ [01:57] <Viv> you don't want to lynch SlOosh, I take [01:58] <@Koshi> He is playing the game? [01:58] <Viv> barely [01:58] <Viv> he only posted when he had to defend himself [01:58] <Viv> koshi [01:58] <Viv> It is my utmost priority to get people to lynch sloosh now [01:59] <@Koshi> Alright I join you. [01:59] <@Koshi> Never played with Sloosh. [01:59] <Viv> very nice [01:59] <Viv> that also takes away some doubts about you [01:59] <@Koshi> meh, we will see [01:59] <Viv> cause you contributed in moving lynch from him to ve [01:59] <Viv> hence I wanted to see how your attitude was [01:59] <Viv> i am analyzing the D1 bandwagon still [02:00] <Viv> anyway, will post a case on SlOosh soon [02:00] <Viv> off to reading more for a bit [02:00] <@Koshi> I am off to bed soon :D. Going to watch me some Modern Family and sleep. [02:00] <@Koshi> Tomorrow I ll join that case vs Sloosh. [02:01] <@Koshi> If I get lynched for it I will be posting these logs :D [02:01] <Viv> lol [02:01] <Viv> ok [02:01] <Viv> no worries [02:01] <Viv> good night and hf watching [02:02] <@Koshi> Thank you. Sleep well. Say hi to the (yet missing one guess) scumteam Scum #1 - SlOosh SlOosh has been (D1) mostly absent from the thread except when he had to defend himself. Even D2 his activity is underwhelming. He has been misrepresented early game by some of FT's actions, who we now know of that he was town. Despite being constantly attacked by FT with obvious misrepresentations, he has shown zero suspicion of that guy in the process, he even went as far as giving him a townread. SlOosh is lacking the suspicion a townie should have of such players, especially at early stages. If you want to know how a townie should react to what FT did, DrT is prototypical for that reaction, when he relentlessly pursued FT for his numerous mistakes and inconsistencies and misrepresentations. SlOosh instead skips over everything FT did to him to give him a townread based on the "back-and-forth" with DrH, and doesn't care that he's being attacked unfairly. + Show Spoiler [SlOosh's unnatural reaction] + On July 17 2013 00:54 slOosh wrote: I don't think they shouldn't form around one player, it's too easily countered and dangerous if they are scum. I was thinking wheels of, say three players, and then linking the wheels slowly. Still don't understand how you can build circles by masoning only scum reads though. What? I said if people are unsure, they should avoid it because it can cause more problems than be of benefit. How am I making a "concerted effort to discourage people from using PMs"? Show me where I said no one should mason. On July 17 2013 14:29 slOosh wrote: I don't think FirmTofu is scum. Continuously choosing to attract attention by engaging with DrH seems really difficult for fresh off newbie games-scum to pull off. I checked out the game and I think you have confirmation bias. His first post in Nuclear Winter is ~20 hours into the day, and his mega post is ~32 hours into the day, opposed to less than an hour in this game. I read maybe half of D1 in NWM, and the most he is called out for is inactivity. When both VE and SlOosh are at danger of being lynched, they both make their entrance into the thread attacking each other. At this point, SlOosh has ONE scumread, all he cares about is pushing VE, he doesn't show doubt, he doesn't talk about other people, even when there are 6 scum + traitor in the game. SlOosh only wants to save his own hide, and VE is the counterwagon scum needs for that. But then...VE claims. Scum now is afraid of the wagons moving back to SlOosh, they need another guy to push to make sure the votes stay away from SlOosh when they might go away from VE. [01:47] <Pasta> imagine you're scum now [01:47] <Pasta> SlOosh is scum [01:47] <Pasta> You're comfortably pushing the VE wagon [01:47] <Pasta> then he claims america [01:47] <Pasta> and people start getting off him [01:48] <Pasta> threatening to lynch SlOosh [01:48] <Pasta> what will you do [01:48] <Pasta> Btw I checked the thing *snip* [01:48] <MASON> mhmm *snip* [01:49] <MASON> scum would either try to rally people back to VE, or they would jump on the next best wagon [01:49] <Pasta> yeah [01:49] <Pasta> that's what we look for [01:49] <MASON> if sloosh is their scumbuddy, that wagon is mz [01:49] <Pasta> also notice [01:49] <Pasta> I posted the post about S & B [01:49] <Pasta> with list of his scumreads [01:50] <Pasta> it has sloosh in it [01:50] <Pasta> but he never pursues it after the first mention [01:50] <Pasta> and ends up on VE More about S & B soon. Scum #2 - Layabout + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2013 09:55 layabout wrote: It is not without regret that i will be voting for VisceraEyes today. He made a claim that i see no good reason for town to make. He did not explain it. He did not attempt to confirm it. He simply used it for self preservation. Everytime time he does this i will vote for him. #vote: VisceraEyes other stuff: slightly waffly context: It's important to note that the things you share in PMs and the things you share with the thread are very different. In general stuff in the thread is posted to works towards a goal like getting reaction persuading people directing discussion etc. But in PMs you can talk about the game the big and the small, the little things that you are thinking about but might not want to share with the thread or that you want another opinion on. But a very large part of VE's reason for voting slOosh is that slOosh is PMing VE about the small stuff. Or rather something that VE does not think should be the main focus of the game right now. But what slOosh has done is send a perfectly reasonable PM and VE has tried to use that to tell us that slOosh's priorities are skewed as if slOosh had posted that in the thread. VE's entire reason for pushing slOosh is inflated and intentionally out of context. I challenge you to read malongo's filter and come back and say it justifies VE's efforts in pushing him. VE is scum On July 18 2013 12:28 layabout wrote: so much awful On July 19 2013 10:47 layabout wrote: also FU firm vayne's attitude is anti-town regardless of his alignment and killing him because of that is fine and slOosh if VE can confrim his role and MaFia can shoot him of course we should leave him aLive slOsh's attitude really does not fell like the attitude of somebody that is trying to find scum. I think he is deliberately overlooking stuff that should be obvious . Deadline was at 12:00 This one is easy to catch. Layabout, while pushing VE, claimed that his arguments for SlOosh being scum were inflated. In retrospect, he argued that VE "obviously" had to be left alive. Layabout had the power to leave VE alive by simply switching to SlOosh (and layabout was around deadline, as visible from the timestamps), who he afterwards claimed to have found scummy for similar reasons VE used. By now, the two of them are apparently bussing each other, if you can call it like that. I call them half-assed pushes that lack of any conviction. Layabout is basically afk since he wrote that. SlOosh is asking questions unrelated to his case, he lacks the ambition of a townie who knows he has good arguments at hand. more to come soon. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:30 yamato77 wrote: Rayn, talk to me about Sloosh. Generally when I've played with Sloosh and he's scum, he goes into afk lurker mode and never posts. Seeing as that hasn't happened yet, I'm generally not thrilled with the idea of lynching him. What makes him a better lynch than VE? Scum #3 and #4 Scum? #3 -[brown]Chezinu[/brown]: Chezinu has been shown to troll in PM's (orly), and now even claimed that he got information of a red check on me, which can't be correct (unless I'm miller or framed). This is likely just some "powerplay" he's attempting, and I can only guess how hard his teammates are facepalming at what he did, just like I facepalmed and raged when he used his mafia dayvig power without consultation with others in LX. Multiple mason sources share the view that kholly is scum. Ultimately, being aware that it's Chezinu, I don't dare feeling sure about his alignment, I am only sure that this guy has to go, and is a lynch of first choice for today, along with layabout and S & B. He was another one of those responsible to drive the lynch away from SlOosh, and his voteswitches at the end are likely designed to cause confusion. Scum #4 - S & B The third town vigi? Come on. Sure, no problem with what he did, shooting ace is something one can really condemn. But setup-wise it's unlikely, and this guy has shown scumminess since his first post. [17:17] <@Pizza> Man [17:17] <@Pizza> S & B is SO scummy [17:17] <@Pizza> it's his whole way of "scumhunting" that rubs me the wrong way [17:18] <@Pizza> I don't see a real drive behind his posts [17:19] <@Dat guy> lemme find what i said to x [17:19] <@Dat guy> "I meant the opposite with the too clean thing. I meant too clean for a townie, potentially. I read his posts and they're fine and all but that's just it, they're ok. Nothing stirs me one way or another and that's always a worrying sign because townies are usually more annoying/opinionated/whatever." [17:21] <@Pizza> precisely [17:21] <@Pizza> he's not opinionated [17:21] <@Pizza> he tries to look like he cares [17:21] <@Pizza> does what he has to do [17:22] <@Pizza> but with no passion [17:22] <Dat guy> it's robotic [17:22] <Dat guy> i know what you mean [17:22] <@Pizza> like people who marry S & B has been one of the other forces behind the VE lynch, aside from the fact that he's obviously not really strong and big since his gf is able to hold him from playing mafia. Real men despise hoes to lynch scum, but strong and big isn't a real man, he's scum. Here's some interesting stuff that also supports the theory that S & B is scum with SlOosh: + Show Spoiler [interesting stuff] + On July 18 2013 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote: 16/15 PS: I'm America On July 18 2013 09:47 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys At my gf's house posting on phone Voting VE cause he scum I'll try to check back in one more time before the lynch but I might not be able to On July 19 2013 01:56 strongandbig wrote: Okay so here I am again. First, I saw some people being like "why in the world would anyone vote VE after his claim?" Basically, I only had a few minutes (my gf was like, "are you playing another mafia game? I need you to help with this stuff") and I decided to vote for the person who I thought had been scummiest all day. I voted right after this post from layabout: I felt more confident in VE being scum than sloosh based on their posting, and I wanted more time to try and figure out sloosh in pms by getting him to talk about reads. So I voted VE. Now, looking through what happened after i left the thread. First, there's the drH-firmtofu "steaming pile". Makes me think drH is town, I don't think it likely that a scum could fake that kind of emotional drive. On the other hand, i don't see anything between them to make me think firmtofu is town. In fact, given from tofu, the whole thing begins to seem like tofu baiting drh into raging. per drh, this has apparently been a strategy of scumteams before - apparently newb scum were "assigned" to bait him? So here's a question - Tofu, why did you keep having this same argument with drH? Was it really a good use of your time? Something I really don't like is that people apparently policy voted VE because of his claim. I mean, I don't think his claim was a good reason to not lynch him. Claiming is just something that VE does, it's not a reason that he's scum. So that means Ace and Layabout. Layabout at least had other reasons for suspecting VE, and it wasn't a pure policy vote. (he attacked VE's push on sloosh and his reasons for voting malongo). So okay. Although it is weird that someone who's played as many games as Layabout doesn't know how America works. but whatever. Ace is a different story, though, his vote was a pure policy vote: My problem isn't just that he hasn't posted any of his own reads, that could be explained by replacing in (although this thread is pretty short due to the post limit, so it should be easier to replace into). It's that Ace was drifting through pushing a policy lynch, without even engaging the alignment of the guy he was voting for, and now is focusing on that policy question again after the flip. This is Ace refusing to engage the town and pushing his usual scum agenda. So unless Ace starts substantially engaging and stops focusing on policies and simple dichotomies (see nuclear winter, where he just flipped scum, for another example of him doing the same thing), I'm calling him scum. And ask yourself, why would anyone who wants town to win say this: (1/10) "But Vivax, what's so interesting there?" Let me lead you back to one of my first posts about S & B being scum: + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2013 04:03 Vivax wrote: It's stuff like this that I also find suspicious about S & B (The scumreads/scumspects indicating people who he claimed he found suspicious without officially drawing back his suspicion): Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve/Vayne Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Oats/Ve/Vayne/Malongo Scumreads/suspects during this post: SlOosh/Ve/Vayne/Malongo What you notice from this is that S & B hardly pursues SlOosh and Vayne since his initial suspicion. I don't understand how his preferences form, and if I compare it to thread sentiment, he seems to follow it (which is rather subjective and is a point I don't necessarily want to rely on as main argumentation, I'd have to find every post talking about Vayne and compare it to his post timings, but it's more or less what I gained from the timeline of events). Mainly though, S & B is very concerned with people suspecting him, he regularly attempts to draw responses from people he didn't claim to be scummy in his opinion, which clearly shows a defensive mindset. His main concern should be to get information from his scumreads or getting them lynched, instead, he prefers to spend more time finding reasons from non-scumreads to have him as scumread. The nature of some of the questions also shows a subtle hostility: "Why should I even talk to you, I already defended myself" being the last example. I'm curious as to where he stands with SlOosh and Vayne now. As answer to S & B: I saw your response, but I think it missed the point. IIRC Wiggles himself touched upon that post not adressing the main cause of our suspicions. Well, what happened with SlOosh? S & B stopped mentioning him overall. I looked for what he did with SlOosh and I saw this, from earlier: On July 17 2013 04:37 strongandbig wrote: 1. Sloosh has three posts now that are entirely about PMs and mechanics. I don't like that. not one bit. 2. on looking back oats has already been masoned by both drh and ryan. I'm deciding not to mason him (yet at least) because (a) they will figure him out, and (b) it's in towns best interest to have the pm network be less centralized. 3. therefore, I am masoning sloosh. Interesting; all this time S & B was masoned with SlOosh, but they don't really seem to work much out, and more interestingly, that brings us back to one of S & B's former statements post-VE-lynch: I felt more confident in VE being scum than sloosh based on their posting, and I wanted more time to try and figure out sloosh in pms by getting him to talk about reads. So I voted VE. What the fuck? Go back to the post where I list up his scumreads, you'll find stuff like this: Anyway I think you might be getting too caught up in my language. Do you disagree with my reasons for finding oatsmaster, sloosh, or VE scummy? 1. Sloosh has three posts now that are entirely about PMs and mechanics. I don't like that. not one bit. So, S & B had both VE and SlOosh as scumreads, he masons SlOosh. When the time is ripe to decide, he shows no doubt, he posts no info from his PM's, he quickly picks VE, completely disregards the claim, and then apologizes that he did it cause he was in a hurry. He actually removed SlOosh from his scumreads upon being asked by Oats: On July 17 2013 23:51 strongandbig wrote: @oats you could tell if you looked at my filter but: VE Possibly VA Possibly malongo now that I know he's not a nub Also in case it didnt count before when I pm'd rol: ##give 3 posts to DrHelvetica (for a total of 3 not a total of 6 if the first set did count) (11/20) Yeah, so what? Well, I'll tell you how things likely went. S & B called SlOosh scummy when the heat built up against him, then he found a pretext to mason him, took part in lynching VE without any justification for having that preference except "I felt like he was more scummy". His justification for sparing SlOosh? They were masoned, his posts looked better. No mentioning of an impression he could have gotten from the PM's with him. Why? Cause they didn't try to figure out each other's alignment. He didn't feel conflicted at all before the lynch? VE claimed, he said he found SlOosh scummy, and he drops it all to switch to VE. Afterwards, SlOosh seems forgotten. Then there's this: On July 19 2013 23:07 strongandbig wrote: Anyway voting tofu. The case is good enough that I don't need to 100% believe the cop claim to at least vote tofu for now. ##vote: firmtofu 1. no. i saw a decent case that matched a claimed cop check. although i was the one to doubt the cop check, the fact that the case was decent and agreed with it was enough for me to vote. Questions: Where does S & B EVER take interest in FT before ace claimed the check? Why does S & B suddenly find a case good that has been posted D1, only when his scumread claims a red check on it, and he even doubts it? Again, where is SlOosh in all of this? I need to see what S & B and Sloosh have been working out in the mason logs. WIth timestamps and all, cause I think we'll find a vacuum there, and no proper justification for S & B dropping him that quickly. Finding inconsistencies can be the hardest part though, and I think the chat snip displays best why S & B should be lynched. His attitude is too apathetic and artificial to come from a townie imo, but this is hard to convey in a post. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Conclusion? Pick anyone out of these 4 dudes, and I'll gladly lynch any of them today, and the others the next day. ##Unvote | ||
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On July 21 2013 02:19 VayneAuthority wrote: Well first of all I would like to apologize to RoL for putting him in the weird position of having to ask a favor of a mod to get me unbanned for this game. I should really just stop posting outside of the mafia thread when I am in a game lol. second of all, yea sloosh has done nothing to make me think he is town yet but I don't agree with Vivax on Koshi, I hope you guys aren't both scum because your scumreads pretty much just match up with thread sentiment right now besides the layabout case. I think my case on koshi is pretty solid so if you wanna look at that vivax and tell me why you think he would do that as town then I am all ears What about layabout, S & B and kholly? Layabout did something massively scummy there, I'm kinda astonished you only pluck SlOosh out of that list. Koshi [01:57] <Viv> do you think sloosh fits the profile? [01:57] <@Koshi> No, I already said that. [01:57] <Viv> :/ [01:57] <Viv> you don't want to lynch SlOosh, I take [01:58] <@Koshi> He is playing the game? [01:58] <Viv> barely [01:58] <Viv> he only posted when he had to defend himself [01:58] <Viv> koshi [01:58] <Viv> It is my utmost priority to get people to lynch sloosh now [01:59] <@Koshi> Alright I join you. [01:59] <@Koshi> Never played with Sloosh. I found this fuck-it-attitude kinda townie, he threw any agenda he could have had about defending SlOosh away just for that pressure? This looks a lot like a townie putting his opinion behind the one of someone else's he trusts. If you think he's scum, are you able to find some evidence for it in our logs? | ||
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The ideal play would be to lynch Chez cause however long he stays alive, he won't be giving us more information, and the more time passes, the more reluctant people will become to lynch him, cause they feel they want to use the lynch one someone "better" (since trolls are always seen as second class lynches), this effect will become stronger over time. Chez also fakeclaimed a red check on me, and has to die, and if he claims it didn't come from him, I want to know who he's masoned with, at the very least (it's already ridiculous a DT would reveal Chez his identity and results, considering how he trolled gumshoe in the PMs posted earlier). Layabout, SlOosh, S & B. These guys will give us more to work with, and will eventually make mistakes. Someone like Chez can't do mistakes, cause he only posts garbage. For now, it's of utmost importance that these three start delivering as much insight as possible, especially on each other. S & B -again- isn't mentioning anything about his conversation with SlOosh. He has been masoned with him for ages now and they're both under suspicion and he's still not trying to bring any clarification into the situation between them. S & B, what did you gain from your conversation with SlOosh, what made you decide was worthy to give up your suspicion of him since N1? | ||
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On July 21 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax what the hell are you doing? You are calling out Sloosh/SnB in your post but want to lynch Chezinu "because no help ever". Also you are not voting for him. Also also you said before you are okay with lynching everyone of thaose four, now suddenly it has to be Chezinu. Why this all fluff before a decision? My decision to lynch kholly first is related to some events in mason chat, but there are good reasons nonetheless. Also I'm voting him, it's geript not counting properly lul. Can you tell me how my post is "fluff"? | ||
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You know what to do. Rayn, you claim you still have your power left right? | ||
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On July 21 2013 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ofc i do. Why the fuck would i pardon a guy whose lynch i have pushed for two days straight? And as i said im not gonna use the power. Fine. I noticed a lot of people aren't keen on lynching kholly. I would appreciate if we could discuss him more tonight. Layabout S & B and SlOosh are obvious people to lynch, but I'm not sure where to find the fifth and kholly as the fourth is not widely accepted as a good choice, which makes me curious. If you consider that SlOosh was D1's scum wagon, and my theory with the town counterwagons being VE and MZ, then kholly is likely scum for his voteswitch from VE to MZ to VE last minute (which likely was designed to create doubts about MZ in case of kholly's later flip, or whatever the hell went through Chezinu's twisted mind lol). It's clear however that he didn't want to lynch SlOosh, and I still don't understand how you guys don't want to lynch this guy. Town's greatest weaknesses are these sort of players, they magically seem to be ignored for how they play. People need to start using their brains and not their guts, YOU CAN'T HAVE THESE PLAYERS AT LYLO ffs. | ||
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mason: Wiggles This guy has really been a pain in the ass to chat with. He's hesitant, lacks proactivity, disappears randomly. I always had this scum feeling about him. If I had to fill the next slot for scum it'd be him. He also did some sketchy switch. When I asked him in chat who he would lynch now immediately, he said layabout, the next thing he did in a post was voting SlOosh. I asked him about it, he replied with this, make of it what you will, but this guy has to post a lot more, it's absolutely not ok that he has gone ignored for so long: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Mr. Wiggles [ 4716 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Mason Date: 7/21/13 03:43 I feel like the case on Sloosh is strong as well. I also don't think MZ is a good lynch, and it feels like there's more support from the people I think are town for a sloosh lynch compared to a layabout lynch. I'd be alright lynching either, but I feel Sloosh is now the better choice for today's lynch. It will also give us more information based on what happened Day 1. Original Message From Vivax: In chat yesterday you said you'd lynch layabout instantly if you could. Why do you pick SlOosh now that I actually found a piece of evidence about layabout that's one of the most damning pieces in my cases? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Wiggles feels like scum, he's robotic, his stories have this feeling of "narrative", he tries to deliver straight stories as much as possible, especially his PM there looks kinda fabricated, not that it matters, cause remember, SlOosh S & B and layabout have priority imo, Wiggles needs to be pressured a lot more. Anyway, that was my only PM with content with him, rest was on IRC, here ya go + Show Spoiler [ Wiggles] + [00:09] <Pasta> Hey wig [00:09] <Pasta> took you a while [00:19] <@Wiggles> hey [00:19] <@Wiggles> what's up? [00:20] <Pasta> wanted to talk to you [00:20] <Pasta> you said you have no masons [00:21] <Pasta> Are you catched up on the game? [00:21] <@Wiggles> more or less [00:21] <Pasta> what is missing [00:22] <@Wiggles> well, I've read through once, skimmed once, but I haven't gone through too many individual filters today yet [00:22] <@Wiggles> I'm haappy hiro flipped traitor [00:22] <@Wiggles> I thought he looked scummy [00:22] <@Wiggles> and it looked like scum who maybe shot him [00:23] <Pasta> you don't mention it in the thread though [00:23] <@Wiggles> no [00:23] <@Wiggles> someone else pmed me [00:23] <@Wiggles> later [00:23] <Pasta> interesting [00:23] <@Wiggles> and I mentioned it to them [00:24] <@Wiggles> what do you think about the way the lynch is going today? [00:24] <Pasta> well [00:24] <Pasta> First I'd like to ask you a few questions [00:24] <Pasta> you have shown pretty low activity [00:24] <Pasta> I need to know what's going on in your head [00:24] <@Wiggles> mhmm [00:24] <Pasta> Can you give me an analysis of what happened D1 [00:25] <Pasta> but first, your scumreads for this moment [00:25] <Pasta> or reads you think are very reliable [00:25] <Pasta> in general [00:25] <Pasta> by what I mean D1 I mean the stuff about VE [00:25] <Pasta> how the votes ended up [00:28] <@Wiggles> Well, I'd say Rayn, Vayne, Dr. H are pretty likely to be town [00:29] <@Wiggles> I'm going back and forth a bit on strong and big being scum [00:29] <@Wiggles> and am also suspicious of layabout [00:29] <@Wiggles> there's also probably a couple scum among the more lurky/content-less posters [00:29] <@Wiggles> but I'm not worrying too much about them right now [00:30] <@Wiggles> it's easier to catch scum from people who actually say things, and just let vigs deal with them until a little later in the game when mafia have no leadership [00:30] <Pasta> meh, vigs [00:30] <@Wiggles> I don't know what to think of tofu [00:30] <@Wiggles> I'm trying to read him more [00:30] <Pasta> i never understood why people rely on vigs [00:30] <Pasta> kill lurkers and stuff like that with a lynch [00:30] <Pasta> equally good [00:31] <@Wiggles> it's a bit of a crapshoot though [00:31] <@Wiggles> with the lynch [00:31] <Pasta> vigs supposed to shoot lurkers is more of a measure to avoid crapshoots [00:31] <Pasta> imo [00:31] <@Wiggles> same with vigs, but then you don't spend time worrying about it [00:31] <@Wiggles> yeah [00:31] <Pasta> But we're drifting off [00:32] <Pasta> Had a lot of discussion about tofu [00:32] <Pasta> with one of my masons [00:32] <Pasta> we have opposite opinions [00:32] <Pasta> what would yours be [00:32] <@Wiggles> one thinks town, the other scum? [00:32] <Pasta> yeah [00:32] <@Wiggles> I didn't think he was scum too much yesterday [00:32] <@Wiggles> I'm going to re-read now [00:33] <Pasta> btw [00:33] <@Wiggles> and then read Dr.H again [00:33] <Pasta> the S & B and laya thinkg [00:33] <Pasta> I'm very interested in those two as well [00:33] <Pasta> but I need some reasons from you [00:33] <Pasta> well [00:34] <Pasta> take your time [00:34] <Pasta> read through [00:34] <Pasta> tell me what you want [00:40] <@Wiggles> layabout reads scummy, because he posts a lot, but doesn't really say anything. He also has some other details that make him look like scum. He asks lots of questions, and sometimes makes game-relevant statements, but doesn't spend anytime providing detail or explanation. It reminds me of his play in "The Game". So, it looks like he's saying a lot, but he's not really saying anything, just shooting out little bits of opinion that don't change t [00:41] <@Wiggles> The other two things that look bad, are him saying he wants to make a case on you, and then back-tracking. i.e. not keeping in promises of having to make an actual contribution, and also his vote for VE feels quite weird. [00:42] <Pasta> Good [00:42] <Pasta> Not just that [00:42] <Pasta> he's simply obviously not interested into solving the game [00:43] <@Wiggles> It feels like a lot of his reason for voting him was based on the claim. There was a lot of analysis based on his behaviour, but he uses the claim as part of it, but then he doesn't have to accept responsibility for being wrong, as it has more to do with policy [00:43] <@Wiggles> yeah [00:43] <@Wiggles> the analysis done by others* [00:43] <Pasta> You still got MZ as scum? [00:43] <@Wiggles> that sounds confusin [00:45] <@Wiggles> I'm not as sure now [00:46] <@Wiggles> he was the other person who pmed me [00:46] <Pasta> Did you talk much [00:46] <@Wiggles> and in PMs he seems a lot more reasonable, so I'm not sure what he's doing in the thread [00:46] <@Wiggles> a bit [00:46] <@Wiggles> a few pms back and forth with reads [00:46] <Pasta> you still got two unused masons? [00:46] <@Wiggles> and they seem reasonable [00:46] <@Wiggles> yes [00:47] <Pasta> hmm [00:47] <Pasta> the thing is [00:47] <Pasta> where is SlOosh all of a sudden [00:47] <Pasta> if you don't suspect MZ anymore [00:48] <Pasta> and VE was lynched [00:48] <Pasta> what about the SlOosh wagon [00:49] <Pasta> doesn't it lead you to certain conclusions [00:49] <Pasta> ? [00:49] <@Wiggles> I don't like that sloosh has disappeared now that the pressure on him is gone [00:49] <Pasta> there's that [00:49] <Pasta> but not only [00:50] <Pasta> that's the reason I aske you to look at D1 votes [00:50] <Pasta> did you read yammo's filter? [00:50] <@Wiggles> yeah, just took a look [00:50] <Pasta> any deductions? [00:50] <@Wiggles> he soft=defends him quite a bit [00:50] <Pasta> uh, didn't even see that [00:51] <@Wiggles> might be that mafia just don't care about him [00:51] <@Wiggles> after day 1 [00:51] <@Wiggles> because they thought he was too far gone [00:51] <Pasta> oh I see [00:51] <@Wiggles> since yamato looks like he's turning on him later [00:51] <@Wiggles> but if he's amfia, that could easily be a bus [00:52] <@Wiggles> since sloosh hadn't done anything by then but defend himself [00:52] <Pasta> who would you lynch, if you had to pick immediately [00:52] <@Wiggles> the other thing though, is that he puts qualifiers on killing sloosh [00:52] <@Wiggles> layabout [00:52] <@Wiggles> if I just had to pick right now [00:52] <Pasta> ok [00:53] <Pasta> Did you look at the D1 votes yet? [00:53] <Pasta> how they ended up [00:53] <Pasta> can you deliver me some analysis [00:53] <@Wiggles> huh [00:53] <Pasta> they have a certain characteristic [00:53] <@Wiggles> didn't realize sloosh was at 5 [00:54] <@Wiggles> well there's the obvious thing of kholly switichng at the end [00:55] <@Wiggles> but the votes were also all quite close [00:55] <@Wiggles> and the wagon on meapak formed very close to the end of the day [00:55] <@Wiggles> after the ve claim [00:55] <@Wiggles> but after that, no one seemed to be paying as much attention to sloosh [00:55] <@Wiggles> a lot of the scummier looking people were on ve [00:56] <@Wiggles> with the townier people split across [00:56] <@Wiggles> sloosh and mz more [00:56] <Pasta> What I see is [00:56] <Pasta> not a single scummy person on SlOosh [00:57] <Pasta> ever [00:57] <@Wiggles> hiro [00:57] <@Wiggles> but besides him, not really [00:57] <Pasta> well, i don't count hiro as scum [00:57] <Pasta> at that stag [00:57] <Pasta> we had similar reads [00:57] <Pasta> in mason chat [00:58] <Pasta> he mainly wanted a bag of silent cred and to survive i think [00:59] <Pasta> I think I'll push a SlOosh lynch [01:00] <Pasta> Yamato points to MZ town and SlOosh scum [01:00] <Pasta> the wagons look bad for him [01:00] <Pasta> he fucked off after attacks stopped [01:00] <@Wiggles> all good points [01:00] <Pasta> but if I'm telling you this it's cause I need your axe [01:01] <Pasta> what do you think of the FT lynch [01:01] <@Wiggles> we can even follow yamato's advice! [01:01] <@Wiggles> Sloosh is looking many times worse after I left the thread. He is more than capable of solid analysis as a town player, yet has contributed very little that I would call meaningful. Watch him day 2, and if he doesn't improve, lynch him. [01:01] <@Wiggles> still ahven't read him [01:01] <@Wiggles> talking to you, haha [01:01] <@Wiggles> I'd need a little [01:01] <Pasta> well that's why I asked you if you catched up -.- [01:02] <@Wiggles> to look over him again [01:02] <@Wiggles> I told you I hadn't read him [01:02] <Pasta> I actually want to chat with people who say they are prepared [01:02] <Pasta> to avoid justifications for delays [01:02] <Pasta> so, prepare yourself [01:02] <Pasta> then we talk again [01:14] <Pasta> you're kinda inactive this game [01:14] <Pasta> you were quite different as JP [01:14] <Pasta> very headstrong [01:15] <@Wiggles> JP? [01:16] <Pasta> Jpertwee [01:16] <@Wiggles> what's that? [01:16] <Pasta> eh? [01:16] <Pasta> weren't you in smurf mini [01:16] <@Wiggles> no [01:16] <Pasta> wtf [01:16] <Pasta> who was JP again [01:16] <@Wiggles> no idea, didn't follow it [01:18] <@Wiggles> done reading tofu, he seems worse to me than before [01:18] <Pasta> heh [01:19] <@Wiggles> don't know if it's enough to lynch him though [01:19] <Pasta> he asked people to get off ve [01:19] <Pasta> ended up on sloosh [01:19] <Pasta> posts a load [01:19] <Pasta> he makes mistakes, is loud, sometimes clumsy [01:19] <Pasta> wouldn't lynch [01:19] <@Wiggles> yeah [01:19] <Pasta> ah crap [01:19] <Pasta> JP was sharrant [01:20] <Pasta> kinda confused you two [01:20] <@Wiggles> I just don't like how he calls sloosh a town read, then votes ve, unvotes ve, says sloosh is a better lynch because of the roleclaim, even though he still had the town read, and didn't give indication of a scum read, then says he thinks sloohs is scum, and then flips again the next day because yamato gave a weak post saying to maybe kill him [01:21] <Pasta> his scumread was drh [01:21] <@Wiggles> I meant on sloosh [01:21] <Pasta> well he had no real scumread on him [01:21] <Pasta> afaik [01:21] <@Wiggles> yeah [01:22] <@Wiggles> that's why it looks worse [01:22] <@Wiggles> he called him town [01:22] <@Wiggles> then votes him anyways because of the role claim [01:22] <@Wiggles> could just have been a dumb decision though [01:22] <Pasta> and you think scum's more likely to do that? [01:22] <Pasta> lol [01:22] <Pasta> it's inconsistent [01:22] <Pasta> it's stupid [01:22] <@Wiggles> scum would know that ve was town [01:22] <@Wiggles> so it looks worse if they were on the lynch of a power role [01:23] <Pasta> or [01:23] <@Wiggles> he also later says that anyone who voted ve needs to be looked at [01:23] <@Wiggles> so it's consistent [01:23] <Pasta> they would try to lynch that power role [01:23] <Pasta> not all scum are scared [01:23] <Pasta> I'm one of the few going for wagon analysis actually [01:24] <Pasta> Why do that [01:24] <Pasta> Why try to save VE [01:24] <Pasta> he had written a case on him [01:24] <Pasta> people were doubting his claim [01:24] <Pasta> renounce on lynching a powerrole [01:24] <Pasta> being afraid to look worse? [01:25] <Pasta> how is scum supposed to get good mislynches that way [01:26] <Pasta> Tofu is too bold to be scum imho [01:26] <Pasta> almost suicidal [01:26] <Pasta> not ace's way of being suicidal [01:26] <Pasta> it's so ironic actually [01:26] <Pasta> ace spits in town's face [01:27] <Pasta> doing nothing [01:27] <Pasta> tofu is on the block [01:27] <Pasta> for doing mistakes, but trying to do stuff [01:27] <Pasta> it's a sad day [01:27] <@Wiggles> yeah [01:27] <@Wiggles> what you say makes sense [01:28] <Pasta> Any opinion on marv? [01:30] <@Wiggles> I was null on hapa when he came in [01:30] <@Wiggles> he seems alright [01:30] <@Wiggles> now [01:31] <@Wiggles> his target's quite easy [01:31] <Pasta> kinda inactive for marv don't you think [01:31] <@Wiggles> but I'm not sure how much that means [01:31] <Pasta> he usually likes to take the reins [01:32] <@Wiggles> is that still true when he replaces in though? [01:32] <Pasta> well, he should have catched up since ages [01:32] <Pasta> or for* [01:32] <Pasta> idk [01:32] <Pasta> lol [01:32] <@Wiggles> haha [01:33] <@Wiggles> I'm not too familiar with everyone's meta anymore [01:33] <Pasta> it's not just the meta [01:33] <Pasta> he seems kinda weak on pushing his lynch target [01:33] <Pasta> and frankly, FT I don't think is a good target [01:33] <@Wiggles> what do you think of his target of kholly? [01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a fine target [01:34] <Pasta> i mean [01:34] <Pasta> you can't say much against tha [01:34] <Pasta> there are good lynches and bad lynches [01:34] <Pasta> kholly is a good lynch [01:35] <Pasta> I'm not adverse to policy lynching [01:35] <Pasta> There are arguments out there [01:35] <Pasta> saying that it's Chez playing like scum chez [01:35] <Pasta> but I'm not that sure [01:35] <Pasta> the guy is unpredictable [01:36] <@Wiggles> ywah, he's unpredicatable, self-aware, and he trolls [01:36] <Pasta> But one thing makes him suspicious [01:36] <Pasta> his voteswitch [01:37] <@Wiggles> yes, that would be the big thing [01:37] <Pasta> can you give me "your version" of events [01:37] <Pasta> for the D1 vote development [01:38] <Pasta> need to look something up [01:38] <Pasta> has to do with you [01:38] <Pasta> if it fits my theory, dear Wiggles [01:38] <Pasta> it might get you into trouble [01:38] <@Wiggles> well, the day started off with the normal sorts of votes, for pressure, or as quick reactions [01:38] <Pasta> the wagons [01:38] <Pasta> there were 3 wagons [01:39] <@Wiggles> yeah [01:39] <@Wiggles> I'm getting there [01:39] <@Wiggles> the initial sloosh wagon emerged based on his talk about pms [01:39] <@Wiggles> and had some strong initial support [01:40] <@Wiggles> but then people got embroiled in the Dr.H vs Tofu stuff, and the wagon starting for VE [01:40] <@Wiggles> VE didn't do a good job defending himseld [01:40] <@Wiggles> so his wagon picked up a lot of speed [01:41] <@Wiggles> at that point, the sloosh wagon started to be seen as the alternative to the ve wagon [01:41] <Pasta> yup [01:41] <@Wiggles> so there was some more support for it from people who didn't want to lynch VE neccessarily [01:41] <@Wiggles> I was yelling in the thread about MZ though [01:41] <@Wiggles> and some other people were coming around [01:42] <@Wiggles> so, there was some switching onto mz [01:42] <@Wiggles> but that wagon acutlaly picked up a lot of votes very quickly [01:42] <@Wiggles> it was the sort of alternative wagon to VE that peole thought had a better chance of being scum, and again, people started to avoid the sloosh wagon [01:43] <@Wiggles> for whatever reason [01:43] <@Wiggles> so, MZ picked up a lot of votes, very quickly, very close to the deadline [01:43] <@Wiggles> but there weren't enough [01:43] <@Wiggles> and VE got lynched [01:43] <@Wiggles> the sloosh wagon picked up a good amount of votes early [01:43] <@Wiggles> then more slowly throughout the day [01:44] <@Wiggles> the VE wagon started in the middle of the day and went strong until the end [01:44] <@Wiggles> and the MZ wagon had little support initially, but then turned into a large bandwagon right near the end of the day [01:47] <Pasta> imagine you're scum now [01:47] <Pasta> SlOosh is scum [01:47] <Pasta> You're comfortably pushing the VE wagon [01:47] <Pasta> then he claims america [01:47] <Pasta> and people start getting off him [01:48] <Pasta> threatening to lynch SlOosh [01:48] <Pasta> what will you do [01:48] <Pasta> Btw I checked the thing [01:48] <Pasta> you pushed MZ before VE claimed [01:48] <@Wiggles> mhmm [01:48] <Pasta> so I can't hold that against you [01:49] <@Wiggles> scum would either try to rally people back to VE, or they would jump on the next best wagon [01:49] <Pasta> yeah [01:49] <Pasta> that's what we look for [01:49] <@Wiggles> if sloosh is their scumbuddy, that wagon is mz [01:49] <Pasta> also notice [01:49] <Pasta> I posted the post about S & B [01:49] <Pasta> with list of his scumreads [01:50] <Pasta> it has sloosh in it [01:50] <Pasta> but he never pursues it after the first mention [01:50] <Pasta> and ends up on VE [01:50] <Pasta> need to check if he retracted it before voting him though [02:03] <Pasta> while rereading that part [02:03] <Pasta> there's some stuff about FT [02:03] <Pasta> www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19213419 [02:04] <Pasta> but well [02:04] <Pasta> he can justify saying he didn't know the mechanics [02:04] <Pasta> although I had posted them in the thread [02:10] <Pasta> oh wow [02:10] <Pasta> there's a post by layabout that's just terrible [02:13] <Pasta> holy shit [02:13] <Pasta> kholly fakeclaiming DT check [02:13] <Pasta> on me [02:17] <Pasta> Wiggles, I want to post these logs immediately [02:17] <Pasta> need to talk [20:45] <@Viv> heya [20:45] <Wigglwa> hey [20:46] <@Viv> so, what's up [20:46] <@Viv> what's your current view on the game [20:46] <Wigglwa> it got pretty silly pretty fast [20:46] <@Viv> lol yeah [20:46] <Wigglwa> too many people trying to troll [20:46] <@Viv> that modkill was so sad [20:46] <Wigglwa> yeah [20:46] <@Viv> hurts to turn out right like that [20:47] <Wigglwa> then we lost another town slot [20:47] <Wigglwa> and i feel vayne is town [20:47] <@Viv> me too [20:47] <@Viv> actually im still not so sure about koshi [20:47] <Wigglwa> so unless he gets replaced, that's another modkill in two days [20:47] <@Viv> but the guy is so cheerful [20:47] <@Viv> so careless [20:47] <@Viv> ah, vayne gonna get replaced then [20:47] <@Viv> didn't know that [20:48] <@Viv> where did you pick that up [20:48] <Wigglwa> what do you mean? [20:49] <@Viv> that he's getting replaced [20:49] <Wigglwa> I didn't [20:49] <@Viv> ah [20:49] <Wigglwa> I'm just asusming that if he can only post for two days [20:49] <Wigglwa> he's getting modkilled or replaced after [20:49] <@Viv> ok [20:49] <@Viv> what do you think of [20:50] <@Viv> lynching kholly [20:50] <@Viv> I'd like to get over that soon [20:50] <@Viv> it's chez [20:50] <@Viv> he fakeclaims shit [20:50] <Wigglwa> is he scum though? [20:50] <Wigglwa> he's just trolling the crap out of the thread [20:51] <Wigglwa> but I don't know what his alignment is [20:51] <Wigglwa> he doens't feel too much like he wants to help town though [20:51] <Wigglwa> so maybe [20:51] <Wigglwa> normally chez makes some sort of effort, I feel [20:52] <@Viv> so? [20:52] <Wigglwa> he confuses me, basically [20:52] <@Viv> you won't have vigs to shoot him [20:52] <Wigglwa> no [20:52] <@Viv> do you feel like it's someone you could get into lylo with [20:53] <Wigglwa> I wouldn't want to, no [20:53] <@Viv> can we agree on lynching him first? [20:53] <Wigglwa> before sloosh or layabout, you're saying? [20:53] <@Viv> yeah [20:54] <Wigglwa> why do you feel lynching him is urgent? [20:55] <@Viv> cause people like him become very hard to lynch [20:55] <@Viv> when town's free room increases [20:55] <@Viv> people feel like lynching trolls becomes increasingly risky [20:55] <@Viv> i mean decreases* [20:55] <@Viv> they are all like "holy shit man, what if we're wrong, we have to lynch scum first, not policy lynch" [20:56] <@Viv> "if we're wrong we're gonna regret it" [20:56] <@Viv> idk though [20:56] <@Viv> do you think there's a good reason [20:56] <@Viv> that points to him being town? [20:57] <@Viv> look through him [20:57] <@Viv> tell me if you think it's a good idea please [20:57] <@Viv> need to eat with family now [20:57] <Wigglwa> I don't really see anything, that makes me think he's strongly town. It's more that what he's doing isn't something I'd think was impossible or even improbable if he were town [20:57] <@Viv> brb in a while [21:01] <@Viv> btw [21:01] <@Viv> i agree on the information thing actually [21:01] <@Viv> it's another aspect [21:02] <@Viv> if I lynch him and I'm wrong.. [21:02] <@Viv> all my other cases might lose a lot of efficacy [21:04] <@Viv> bleh [21:04] <@Viv> the thing is, Wiggles [21:04] <@Viv> I'm in contact with the other mason in real time [21:04] <@Viv> he wants to lynch kholly mostly [21:04] <@Viv> and I can't refute it [21:05] <@Viv> there's barely anything you can do to argue against that lynch [21:05] <@Viv> hence it's probably best to lynch him first [21:13] <Wigglwa> well, you can't really argue that he's not a decent lynch, but can your contact argue that a kholl ylynch is better than a sloosh lynch for example? [21:27] <@Viv> well [21:27] <@Viv> my contact thinks that chez is playing like in LIX [21:27] <@Viv> where he was scum [21:28] <@Viv> And the fact that ikt'll become harder to lynch him over time [21:29] <@Viv> and that not trolling suspects offer us more ifnormation over time [21:29] <@Viv> whereas information from trolls is worthless [00:02] <@Viv> hey wig [00:02] <@Viv> voting kholly or not | ||
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Thing is, he used to push FT and kholly pretty hard, he even got me committed pretty hard on kholly in a way that I started pushing for kholly last day when marv went for some night event and couldn't be there at deadline, and started trying to persuade Wiggles of voting for kholly (although then he disappeared and preferred someone else upon agreeing). However, after an exchange with Koshi I felt like kholly doesn't necessarily have to be scum any more, and I am wary of the way marv mostly agreed with the arguments about my other scumspects, but always preferred his own choices to be lynched first. This is so ambiguous that it's hard to lynch him just for that (scum agenda or town with a boner for their own reads), but he needs to be kept an eye on for sure, as always cause he is such good scum. Dem loooooong logs, hf guys, some parts are deleted to protect information about other masons. Marv is innocent until proven guilty. PMs don't really contain anything of much interest. [spoiler=marvell0us] [12:32] <Viv> FFs, I hate my connection [12:32] <Viv> Anyway [12:32] <marvelbabe> :/ [12:32] <Viv> it's chez and he's not trying to hide it at all [12:33] <marvelbabe> yea [12:33] <Viv> claiming he's not would probably fall into the category of further trolling [12:33] <marvelbabe> did you see the austin reference lol [12:34] <Viv> no [12:34] <Viv> searched for it now [12:34] <Viv> wtf [12:34] <Viv> I'll lynch him any time [12:34] <marvelbabe> sec [12:34] <Viv> found the reference [12:36] <marvelbabe> sorry [12:36] <Viv> fo what [12:36] <marvelbabe> just had a work phonecall [12:36] <marvelbabe> er yea [12:36] <marvelbabe> he needs to die [12:37] <marvelbabe> also when i was catching up on the thread [12:37] <marvelbabe> layabout's pre and post-lynch reactions didn't look good to me [12:37] <marvelbabe> he was attacking VE [12:37] <marvelbabe> VE got lynched [12:37] <marvelbabe> hten he said it was stupid [12:37] <Viv> basically, all of the VE bandwagon looks massively fishy to me, only guy I could see as being town of that bunch is yam [12:37] <marvelbabe> ye, yamato is masoned with me [12:37] <marvelbabe> i'm not totally sold on him being town, but i think he is [12:37] <Viv> did he mason hapa [12:38] <marvelbabe> no, hapa masoned him [12:38] <Viv> oh [12:38] <marvelbabe> which i was quite annoyed about [12:38] <Viv> lol why [12:38] <marvelbabe> why would i want to mason with yamato [12:38] <marvelbabe> easiest person to read in the game [12:39] <Viv> good choice [12:39] <Viv> i was thinking about masoning wiggles [12:39] <marvelbabe> he masoned me [12:39] <marvelbabe> hmm [12:39] <marvelbabe> yeah i'm still trying to figure out what to do about Wiggles [12:39] <Viv> I kinda feel sorry for wiggles, his posts are good and he posts very clearly but gets ignored [12:39] <Viv> they give me the feeling they gave me in smurf mafia [12:40] <marvelbabe> huh [12:40] <Viv> where I actually lynched him [12:40] <marvelbabe> he wasn't in smurf [12:40] <Viv> he was [12:40] <marvelbabe> was he? [12:40] <marvelbabe> eh [12:40] <Viv> JP [12:40] <marvelbabe> Pertwee? [12:40] <Viv> yea [12:40] <marvelbabe> ahhhhhh [12:40] <marvelbabe> somehow i totally missed that even though i followed super closely [12:41] <marvelbabe> ah [12:41] <marvelbabe> i see you're suspicious of layabout as well [12:42] <Viv> well took a look at him after gumshoe asked me to [12:42] <Viv> pretty positive he's scum [12:42] <marvelbabe> btw i'd just add [12:42] <marvelbabe> i'm terrified you're mafia because you're not tunnelling me :x [12:42] <Viv> well, i don't know what to say [12:43] <Viv> except that I masoned you to avoid exactly that [12:43] <marvelbabe> nothing to say to it really lol [12:43] <Viv> given your spammy nature you can profit a lot from masoning [12:43] <marvelbabe> you'll just hav eto put up with my ongoing paranoia [12:43] <Viv> and I had an idea to put up a little act to avoid being NKd [12:44] <Viv> I'm always afraid when there's not a healthy amount of people hating me or wanting to lynch me [12:44] <marvelbabe> sorry sec, work phone again [12:47] <marvelbabe> talking someone through installing adobe reader lol [12:47] <Viv> 60 + most likely [12:48] <Viv> gl with that [12:52] <Viv> I have a kinda hard time imagining you as phone support given your temper, but I can imagine well how you feel like punching the wall sometimes when someone is exceptionally dull lol [12:54] <marvelbabe> soon after i joined [12:54] <Viv> cause he posted this: post 18 where is marv with his soulread on you ve?? [12:55] <marvelbabe> yeah I pmed him about that when i woke up [12:55] <Viv> I don't particularly like this post: [12:55] <Viv> wow this pisses me off.. @vayne you called me completely useless WTF! I spent a lot of time going through filters, made what I thought was a good case, and everyone ignored it. But how dare you call me completely useless when you, who are a strong town for me atm unfortunately, are shitting from the mouth wasting space. Honestly I do not even read what you write anymore after I got a townread on you. And I actually put effort into the game, WAY more than I usually [12:57] <marvelbabe> phone call finished [12:58] <marvelbabe> i'm probably not quite how you imagine me irl [12:58] <marvelbabe> i actually have a really nice phone manner [12:58] <marvelbabe> don't mean he's mafia tho [12:59] <marvelbabe> if I'd been in Smurf I'd probably be quite annoyed at kush in general :p [12:59] <Viv> It's not that it pisses me off [12:59] <Viv> I find it kinda scummy [13:01] <marvelbabe> not yet i guess he's asleep [13:01] <marvelbabe> i don't realy find it scummy [13:01] <marvelbabe> it's grubbing for credit which some players are prone to do [13:01] <marvelbabe> remember kush in Smurf saying he'd tried really hard at x and y points? [13:01] <marvelbabe> kinda similar to that [13:03] <Viv> I don't recall him playing the part of the indignated, and at the same time even trying to make clear that vayne is not his scumread [13:03] <marvelbabe> it's a good thing that he didn't gloat about VE being town [13:03] <marvelbabe> if you don't recall it then you missed it lol [13:03] <marvelbabe> that was the whole last day at lylo with him tlaking to palmar [13:03] <Viv> I recall him insulting people yeah [13:03] <marvelbabe> in any case he's pretty uninteresting to me atm [13:04] <marvelbabe> don't see why he should be mafia at all atm [13:04] <Viv> well I can live with that [13:04] <marvelbabe> like [13:04] <marvelbabe> kush's biggest weakness as mafia [13:04] <marvelbabe> is that he likes to be right [13:04] <marvelbabe> and he likes pointing out that he's right [13:04] <marvelbabe> like about flips and reads [13:04] <Viv> his post about slOosh [13:05] <Viv> was it at a time where SlOosh was already under heavy pressure [13:05] <Viv> cause it lacks followup [13:05] <Viv> no [13:05] <marvelbabe> hm? [13:05] <Viv> he voted later at some point I recall [13:05] <Viv> without announcing it directly [13:06] <Viv> I had it in my power to leave my vote on SlOosh yesterday [13:06] <Viv> but I got doubts about him while rereading [13:06] <marvelbabe> hate deadlines i'm not around for [13:06] <marvelbabe> slOosh [13:06] <marvelbabe> fuck [13:06] <Viv> I thought this game was supposed to start 11 PM EST [13:06] <marvelbabe> i find slOosh's push on VE super-dodge [13:06] <marvelbabe> I expect him to answer for it more fully [13:07] <marvelbabe> i couldn't tell if he was being bad or scum though [13:07] <Viv> well both of their entrance timings were weird [13:07] <marvelbabe> kholly seemed a really obvious lynch [13:07] <marvelbabe> no idea why noone went for it [13:07] <Viv> same reason why people don't policy lynch [13:07] <marvelbabe> it was not a policy lynch [13:07] <marvelbabe> in any way [13:07] <Viv> well, I have decided to delete the term "policy lynch" anyway [13:08] <Viv> good lynches and bad lynches [13:08] <Viv> more fitting [13:08] <marvelbabe> it was an excellent lynch [13:08] <marvelbabe> nothing suggests town-chez [13:08] <marvelbabe> everything suggests scum-chez [13:08] <marvelbabe> sigh [13:08] <Viv> I feel like too much of the thread was absent [13:08] <Viv> it was already kinda dead 2 h before deadline [13:08] <Viv> when i went to bed [13:08] <marvelbabe> agreed [13:09] <marvelbabe> ya [13:09] <marvelbabe> i had the same feeling last night too [13:09] <marvelbabe> even with post-count restriction it should've been somewhat busier leading up to lynch [13:09] <Viv> Oats absence irks me [13:09] <Viv> and where his vote ended up [13:10] <Viv> In my early Pms with VE I claimed I can read him as the game progresses [13:10] <marvelbabe> don't make me read Oats [13:10] <Viv> cause he knows how to fake his tunnelly, derpy town play [13:10] <Viv> well I think you can read him simply by activity [13:10] <marvelbabe> yeah he does [13:10] <Viv> he started derpy [13:10] <marvelbabe> not on day 1 [13:10] <marvelbabe> he got good at being active day 1 [13:10] <marvelbabe> as mafia he tails off as the game goes on [13:10] <Viv> exactly [13:11] <marvelbabe> as town he carries on being annoying [13:11] <Viv> missing at deadline like that earns him scumpoints [13:11] <marvelbabe> deadline [13:11] <marvelbabe> hmm [13:11] <marvelbabe> yeah, he would be awake by then [13:12] <Viv> opinions on ace? [13:12] <marvelbabe> none [13:12] <marvelbabe> slight town for idgaf [13:12] <marvelbabe> i guess [13:12] <Viv> but he claims he likes to play scum like that [13:12] <Viv> listened to podcast [13:12] <marvelbabe> what he claims and what he does [13:13] <marvelbabe> you're not in Nuclear are you? [13:13] <Viv> nah [13:13] <marvelbabe> oh he died anyway [13:13] <marvelbabe> silly me [13:13] <marvelbabe> so he was scum there [13:13] <Viv> was he scum [13:13] <Viv> k [13:13] <marvelbabe> reasonably central as a figure [13:13] <marvelbabe> central without pushing anything [13:13] <Viv> and day 1? [13:13] <marvelbabe> well he replaced here, so meh [13:13] <marvelbabe> no-one's gonna get a read on him until he starts playing [13:14] <marvelbabe> like [13:14] <marvelbabe> when you see him posting [13:14] <marvelbabe> see if he's really pushing something he believes (town) or if he's making points about shit but somehow the town goes on around him (mafia) [13:15] <marvelbabe> on a sidenote [13:15] <marvelbabe> I hate whatever Firm's style is, if he's town [13:16] <Viv> I'd rather bet on that [13:16] <Viv> DRH and him seem like townies smashing their heads in [13:16] <Viv> getting tunneled on each other early [13:16] <marvelbabe> i'm not sure [13:16] <marvelbabe> i agree with a lot of DrH's points [13:17] <marvelbabe> also things like [13:17] <marvelbabe> FT's opening post he says "do not lie! or else!" , later on he admits to "exaggerating" what DrH said about sLoosh to get a reaction [13:17] <marvelbabe> well exaggeration = lie, because what he said DrH said wasn't the truth [13:17] <Viv> ah yeah I had noticed that too [13:18] <marvelbabe> mm [13:18] <Viv> didn't purse it though [13:18] <marvelbabe> there's several things like that that get me with FT [13:18] <marvelbabe> the counterside is like you said [13:18] <Viv> I'd view it like this: [13:18] <marvelbabe> head-smashers are often town [13:18] <marvelbabe> but i took a clear side in this argument [13:18] <marvelbabe> which may suggest otherwise [13:18] <marvelbabe> i dunno [13:19] <Viv> You start the game with a post of how you should IDEALLY play. Then you start tunneling a guy, resulting in the two of them becoming exceptionally biased [13:19] <Viv> When looking for arguments for the other guy being scum, you can easily overstretch things [13:19] <marvelbabe> the thing is though [13:19] <marvelbabe> his slOosh exaggeration came pretty damn early [13:19] <marvelbabe> and also [13:19] <marvelbabe> his post-hoc explanation was not that he was tunnelled [13:19] <marvelbabe> but that he was specifically fishing for reactions [13:19] <Viv> ah right [13:20] <marvelbabe> lemme see if i can find [13:20] <Viv> wasn't he one of those discouraging big plays [13:20] <Viv> or was that rayn [13:20] <marvelbabe> can't remember [13:20] <marvelbabe> yeah it was him [13:20] <marvelbabe> just about his bit about not lying lol [13:21] <marvelbabe> ugh [13:21] <marvelbabe> just browsing through his filter i hate it [13:21] <Viv> im at it too [13:21] <marvelbabe> stuff like this i hate: "I will be voting VE. He hasn't said anything to convince me that he isn't scum and many people share my sentiment of him. He is much more likely to get lynched than DrH and is a far better lynch than slOosh." [13:22] <Viv> yeah that looks pretty bad [13:22] <Viv> overjustified [13:22] <marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=23#443 [13:22] <marvelbabe> in this post [13:22] <marvelbabe> "trying to get a reaction" re the sloosh thing [13:23] <marvelbabe> here too [13:23] <marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=25#499 [13:23] <marvelbabe> admitting blatant exaggeration [13:24] <marvelbabe> also [13:24] <marvelbabe> how the fuck did he end up voting for slOosh when he said VE is a far better lynch than slOosh? [13:24] <marvelbabe> only just noticed that [13:24] <marvelbabe> what the fuck [13:26] <marvelbabe> oh this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=26#503 [13:27] <marvelbabe> seems so over the top though [13:27] <marvelbabe> kholly and FT can both die [13:27] <Viv> Don't you feel SlOosh got misrepresented a lot initially? (This is relevant to Tofu). He said like "If you aren't sure what to do with your PM's, don't use them", a lot of people attacked him for discouraging PM's, FT included [13:27] <Viv> While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all. [13:27] <Viv> ^from FT [13:27] <marvelbabe> hmm? [13:28] <marvelbabe> who was the first bit from [13:28] <Viv> 1st: Is what I write [13:28] <Viv> 2nd, written by FT [13:29] <Viv> FT was actually the first to jump at SlOosh for that, others followed [13:29] <Viv> mainly Rayn and someone else I don't recall [13:32] <marvelbabe> right [13:32] <marvelbabe> er [13:32] <marvelbabe> right yeah [13:32] <marvelbabe> that was his 2nd 'exaggeration' to get a reaction [13:32] <Viv> Really?? [13:32] <Viv> Did he claim he did that on purpose? [13:32] <marvelbabe> yeah i linked it somewhere let me refind [13:32] <Viv> wait im checking ur links myself [13:32] <marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=23#443 [13:33] <marvelbabe> see 2nd paragraph [13:33] <Viv> k [13:33] <marvelbabe> "i tried this on sloosh too" [13:33] <Viv> more interestingly, he got a townread from that lol [13:33] <marvelbabe> apparently. [13:33] <marvelbabe> somehow sloosh's play was townie and DrH's was scummy [13:33] <marvelbabe> don't get it. [13:34] <Viv> maybe he should have explained what made sloosh's response townie [13:34] <marvelbabe> yeah [13:34] <Viv> Interesting question to put out there [13:34] <Viv> should I mason the guy? [13:34] <marvelbabe> one other thing [13:34] <marvelbabe> Firm should want to lynch Kholly for lying [13:34] <marvelbabe> as he is definitely chez [13:35] <marvelbabe> well you can mason him if you think you'll get more out of him in mason than in the thread [13:35] <Viv> if he gets into a chat [13:35] <Viv> I think scum has trouble with thatz [13:35] <Viv> they need to think [13:35] <marvelbabe> yer [13:35] <Viv> any mistake can bite them in the ass [13:36] <marvelbabe> easy for someone to avoid that though [13:36] <Viv> getting into the chat? [13:36] <marvelbabe> aye [13:37] <marvelbabe> would be interesting to see if they shot you though [13:39] <Viv> That's why I need people pushing for my lynch now [13:39] <marvelbabe> lol [13:39] <marvelbabe> gl [13:39] <marvelbabe> i wonder who i expect to die [13:39] <Viv> DrH/you/me/Rayn [13:39] <marvelbabe> assuming DrH is town, maybe they think he's kinda tilting and will leave him alive [13:40] <marvelbabe> yeah the rest of them sound right [13:40] <Viv> This is from FT too: [13:40] <Viv> My fixation isn't a fixation. We know 1 thing. There are 6 mafia and 1 traitor. I was drawing attention to the only concrete information that the OP gave us. Would you rather have me talk about easy town cred bullshit that is in all of the guides all over TL? [13:41] <Viv> (To the accusation that he directly goes on about the traitor) [13:41] <Viv> The easy town cred bullshit he mentions is terrible [13:42] <Viv> strange thing to say for a townie [13:42] <marvelbabe> mm [13:42] <marvelbabe> yeah [13:42] <marvelbabe> he also says DrH's points on him are valid but refuses to address them [13:42] <marvelbabe> basically from where i'm sitting [13:42] <marvelbabe> kholly/FT need to die [13:43] <marvelbabe> layabout/MZ/s&b/Wiggles/Malongo need significant pressure [13:43] <Viv> Not sure what you see about Wiggles [13:43] <marvelbabe> ace too i guess [13:43] <marvelbabe> i don't know what i see about wiggles [13:43] <marvelbabe> which is part of the problem :d [13:44] <Viv> What sucks is that we can barely drop a pre-death post before deadline [13:44] <Viv> so I suggest this: [13:44] <Viv> We find someone to mason who is surely there at deadline, and reliable [13:44] <Viv> we breadcrumb that he is in charge of posting those posts [13:45] <Viv> by posting something longish and [anchoring]his name and that he's our "insurance" [13:45] <marvelbabe> meh [13:45] <marvelbabe> i'm not that worried about exactly when i post [13:45] <Viv> i mean, he can post them after deadline too [13:45] <Viv> If we die [13:45] <marvelbabe> mostly i only have one mason left and i want to be really sure who i use it on [13:46] <Viv> who did you mason [13:46] <Viv> drh? [13:47] <Viv> not that it matters [13:47] <Viv> would be cool if we could all simply stay in one chatroom though [13:47] <marvelbabe> yamato remember [13:47] <marvelbabe> or hapa did [13:47] <marvelbabe> could probably ask yamato tbh [13:47] <marvelbabe> so irritated they killed VE [13:48] <Viv> me too [13:48] <Viv> our vig [13:48] <marvelbabe> yeah [13:48] <Viv> and a good mason link [13:48] <marvelbabe> i still don't know what the case on him supposedly was [13:48] <Viv> he did play unusually [13:48] <Viv> basically that [13:48] <Viv> -.- [13:48] <marvelbabe> right [13:48] <marvelbabe> meanwhile there's a bunch of players who aren't giving a shit and/or are lying [13:48] <marvelbabe> and that's all fine [13:49] <Viv> im sure VE's bandwagon is infested with scum [13:49] <Viv> as said, with slight exception of yam [13:49] <Viv> who im not sure on [13:49] <Viv> he truly seems to want to lynch VE every game [13:50] <marvelbabe> yeah [13:50] <marvelbabe> he has his pompous townie voice on [13:50] <Viv> didn't you talk with him about it? [13:50] <Viv> what townie voice lol [13:50] <marvelbabe> we'll see how he posts during the night [13:50] <marvelbabe> where he talks as if he's got everything figured out and everything he says is obviously right [13:51] <marvelbabe> we didn't PM that much, he basically disappeared at the point I'd got all caught up in the thread [13:51] <Viv> pull him into a chat [13:51] <Viv> feign having scumreads on people he shouldn't be supposed to have as such [13:52] <marvelbabe> are you about tonight? [13:52] <Viv> see how he reacts [13:52] <marvelbabe> oh yeah you're not masoned with him [13:52] <marvelbabe> i'm an idiot [13:52] <marvelbabe> that's a decent idea [13:52] <Viv> I think im decent at finding scum in chat [13:52] <Viv> when the game progresses [13:53] <Viv> town can easily remember their reasoning for their previous actions [13:53] <Viv> scum makes up bullshit on the go [13:53] <marvelbabe> never really get the chance that often [13:53] <marvelbabe> i have caught VE in chat before [13:53] <Viv> and then forgets when they don't need it [13:53] <marvelbabe> btw [13:54] <marvelbabe> is it just me or is 6maf+traitor a lot in a 23 player game [13:54] <Viv> it is [13:55] <Viv> that's why I suggested there could be 2 factions [13:55] <Viv> of 3 + 3 [13:55] <Viv> But wait [13:55] <Viv> I think traitor only needs to guess a percentage [13:55] <marvelbabe> i don't think so [13:55] <Viv> if he needs to guess at least 4 scum, then it can't be like that [13:55] <marvelbabe> wouldn't be 3+3 because it was originally set up as 5 mafia [13:55] <marvelbabe> so the setup wouldn't allow for evenly split factins [13:56] <Viv> yeah scratch that [13:57] <marvelbabe> probably town has quite a few decent blues to balance [13:57] <marvelbabe> like a nice dayvigi [13:57] <marvelbabe> :/ [13:57] <Viv> Dayivigi kinda sucks compared to vigi [13:57] <marvelbabe> not really [13:57] <marvelbabe> shot is unblockable/unsaveable [13:58] <Viv> Imagine VE using nuke that day [13:58] <Viv> chaos [13:58] <marvelbabe> could've done with a bit of chaos heh [13:58] <Viv> So, tentatively I'd be at this: Kholly, layabout, ace, FT, S & B. [13:59] <Viv> Last scum and traitor I'm not sure about [13:59] <marvelbabe> mm [13:59] <marvelbabe> i'm not that sure apart from the 2 i mentioned [13:59] <marvelbabe> the rest are plausible [13:59] <Viv> S & B's first post was abysmally scummy [13:59] <Viv> imho [13:59] <marvelbabe> i thought yours was scummier [14:00] <marvelbabe> lol [14:00] <Viv> ^^ [14:00] <Viv> from the 1st on? [14:00] <marvelbabe> ye [14:00] <marvelbabe> i'd been wanting to lynch you for it since i read it [14:00] <Viv> I'm lazy as scum though [14:00] <marvelbabe> then you started posting sensibly [14:00] <marvelbabe> it was disappointing [14:00] <marvelbabe> eh [14:00] <marvelbabe> remember LX [14:00] <Viv> LVIII [14:00] <marvelbabe> your mega-shit post on joking or whatever it was [14:00] <marvelbabe> no LX [14:00] <Viv> lol what [14:01] <Viv> the one with the dumpster? [14:01] <marvelbabe> you made some mega post about how people had reacted at the start of the game to things [14:01] <Viv> prom d1 lynch [14:01] <Viv> yedah [14:01] <marvelbabe> it was long and terrible [14:01] <marvelbabe> that game ye [14:01] <marvelbabe> that's what that post in this game reminded me of [14:01] <Viv> I just wanted to post some witty stuff [14:01] <Viv> for funzies [14:01] <marvelbabe> lol [14:02] <Viv> then I got tired and proceeded to call S & B scum [14:02] <Viv> shorterning the dialogue [14:02] <marvelbabe> need to read s&b properly tomorrow [14:02] <marvelbabe> it's all very well formulated, need to work out if that's alignment-indicative or just post-count indicative :/ [14:03] <Viv> his follow-up seems fine [14:03] <Viv> like from scumhunting textbook [14:03] <Viv> except ofc for his interest into his accusers [14:03] <Viv> which I didn't like [14:04] <Viv> cause he seemed to ask more questions to them than to his reads [14:04] <Viv> Formulation was fine too [14:04] <marvelbabe> well [14:04] <marvelbabe> he used to be more formulated as scum and more carefree as town [14:05] <marvelbabe> but he learnt how to look carefree as scum a bit too [14:07] <Viv> what about the malongo dude? [14:08] <Viv> He wrote : whatever please modkill on Node, sanroba, Altarius. [14:08] <marvelbabe> looks bad [14:08] <marvelbabe> apparently he's not a newb either [14:08] <Viv> wouldn't surprise me if all of the afks were town [14:09] <Viv> rol will modkill soon [14:09] <Viv> if he doesnt replace them [14:09] <Viv> need to recruit [14:09] <marvelbabe> i hate having non-posters [14:09] <marvelbabe> even if they're all town they can all die so there's never that worry [14:09] <Viv> From host point of view, you want to replace scum first [14:10] <Viv> i think [14:10] <Viv> gotta take a look at the hapa replacement [14:10] <marvelbabe> [14:10] <Viv> what [14:10] <Viv> is it you? [14:10] <Viv> fml [14:10] <Viv> lol [14:11] <Viv> were you the 1st or the second [14:11] <marvelbabe> yes [14:11] <marvelbabe> dumbo [14:11] <marvelbabe> lol [14:11] <marvelbabe> he was replaced mid-cycle anyway [14:11] <marvelbabe> er [14:11] <marvelbabe> i think 1st [14:11] <Viv> k [14:11] <Viv> well I don't think you're scum [14:11] <marvelbabe> jolly good [14:11] <Viv> it's for the best [14:12] <Viv> else I'll ask for you to be lynched at lylo [14:12] <Viv> [14:12] <marvelbabe> hopefully i'll be dead long before then [14:12] <Viv> yeah that's more likely [14:12] <marvelbabe> quite useful that this replacement is having a dingdong with rayn [14:13] <Viv> kinda townie entrance, at first glance [14:13] <marvelbabe> yeah seems ok [14:13] <Viv> replacements can hide behind "Oh sorry bro I have to read everything" [14:13] <Viv> like ace [14:13] <marvelbabe> i'm interested in how long he'll keep up the pressure on rayn [14:13] <marvelbabe> when he lets it go [14:13] <marvelbabe> yeah ace is lame [14:19] <Viv> need to get something more productive out of that hiro masoning [14:20] <Viv> so far he only defended mya scumreads in the thread [14:20] <Viv> i dont like that one bit [14:20] <Viv> this is also really weird by Hiro: [14:20] <Viv> VE do you even realize that Malongo has never posted anything about sloosh? In other news, I'm like 95% certain that sloosh is mafia. [14:21] <marvelbabe> ye [14:21] <marvelbabe> i pushed him on the 95% repeatedly [14:21] <Viv> He goes for connection with a guy who barely posted anything [14:21] <marvelbabe> well [14:21] <marvelbabe> did VE not say something about them together? [14:21] <Viv> dunno what you mean [14:21] <marvelbabe> i thought he did, but if he didn't, then yes that bit is odd [14:22] <marvelbabe> i mean [14:22] <marvelbabe> didn't VE mention malongo and sloosh in the same breath at some point, hence Hiro's response there [14:23] <Viv> looking it up [14:26] <Viv> Maybe this: Now that Wiggles has graced us, I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned any of DocH, kholly or Malongo at all. Malongo faked an opinion on slOosh (what does "needlessly polarized" even mean?) and posted filters and fucked off [14:27] <marvelbabe> yeah that's it [14:27] <Viv> kinda weird cause I think the needlessly polarized guy wasn't SlOosh? [14:27] <marvelbabe> it wasn't [14:27] <marvelbabe> it was MZ [14:27] <Viv> yeah [14:27] <marvelbabe> VE must have misspoke [14:27] <marvelbabe> so what hiro says makes sense [14:28] <Viv> yeah but where does he conclude that he's mafia [14:28] <Viv> checking out the pms [14:28] <marvelbabe> it's somewhere in his filter [14:28] <marvelbabe> check out his interactions with me, he copied it in there as well [14:29] <Viv> meh SlOosh even told me in his pms [14:30] <Viv> lol [14:30] <Viv> Hiro [14:30] <Viv> ok I think I can drop my concerns on Hiro [14:30] <Viv> 1 less to go [14:30] <marvelbabe> eh [14:30] <marvelbabe> what did you like from hiro [14:31] <Viv> Original Message From Vivax: Is Viscera your scumread at the moment? [14:31] <Viv> Not really. He's just weird right now. I'd kill sloosh right now. [14:31] <Viv> He just found an inconsistency by VE [14:31] <Viv> could have ridden it to justify a scumread [14:31] <marvelbabe> and didn't use it as an excuse [14:31] <marvelbabe> yeah [14:31] <marvelbabe> that's good [14:33] <marvelbabe> Ver and ROL are such terrible hosts [14:33] <marvelbabe> shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to keep the OP updated with the actual playerlist [14:33] <Viv> well I asked VEr to put malongo's filter list in there [14:33] <Viv> he did that at leastr [14:34] <marvelbabe> ET is still there [14:34] <marvelbabe> he outed like a week ago [14:35] <Viv> might want to take a closer look at rayn [14:35] <Viv> he's really active [14:35] <Viv> but can't hurt [14:35] <marvelbabe> he looks fine [14:35] <marvelbabe> plus pardoner action [14:35] <Viv> yeah the pardoner thing [14:35] <marvelbabe> not spending any of my time there [14:35] <Viv> but if he's scum pardoner [14:35] <Viv> and can only use it publicly [14:35] <Viv> he has to claim [14:36] <marvelbabe> maybe [14:36] <Viv> wouldn't use that claim to get to his alignment [14:36] <marvelbabe> shrug [14:36] <Viv> well I'll have a read of him [14:37] <Viv> oh he can use it just with pms [14:37] <Viv> i think ill ignore him then [14:37] <marvelbabe> pardoner thing seems like a high investment to fake as mafia [14:40] <Viv> It's crucial to know if SlOosh is scum methinks [14:40] <marvelbabe> ye [14:40] <Viv> VE might have had some pretty good reads there [14:41] <marvelbabe> maybe [14:41] <marvelbabe> slOosh's alignment is important anyway as a main counterwagon [14:41] <marvelbabe> 6-5-5 though [14:41] <marvelbabe> is that how it ended up? [14:41] <marvelbabe> vaguely suggests all 3 are town [14:41] <marvelbabe> depending on last minute shenannies [14:41] <Viv> SlOosh says as argument that VE had no real reads [14:42] <Viv> He says that referring to the pm conversation [14:42] <Viv> but if he cared about that, why not consider the in thread reads, which surely didn't lack? [14:42] <Viv> looks like an opportunistic vote [14:43] <Viv> what I also notice is that despite being misrepresented, SlOosh lacks of suspicion against the persons doing so [14:44] <Viv> Do you know how that "FT is confirmed scum" statement by DrH in chat with Oats has been resolved? Cause SlOosh mentions that too at some point, without followup [14:45] <marvelbabe> er [14:45] <marvelbabe> i think it was resolved [14:45] <marvelbabe> basically DrH backed off Firm in thread for a while earlier in the day [14:45] <marvelbabe> but sitll thought he was mafia [14:45] <Viv> k [14:46] <marvelbabe> yeah the reason i said everyone might be town if the votes were all close [14:46] <marvelbabe> is that you'd expect one wagon to have more votes than it did [14:46] <marvelbabe> if one of sloosh/mZ is mafia, then they were cutting it fine [14:46] <marvelbabe> that's not certaint ho [14:46] <marvelbabe> *certain tho [14:47] <Viv> Can't exclude that all of scum were on VE [14:48] <marvelbabe> it's possible [14:48] <marvelbabe> so rare though [14:48] <Viv> doesn't really have consequences [14:48] <Viv> hardly see towns lynching based off voting analysis [14:48] <Viv> LIX, it was kinda like that with the D1 votes [14:48] <marvelbabe> it's a mindset thing [14:48] <marvelbabe> entire mafia teams rarely put all their eggs in one basket [14:49] <Viv> when they're scared [14:49] <marvelbabe> even oats and prplhz were voting for townies there tho [14:53] <Viv> kholly is obviscum [14:54] <Viv> lcheck his votes right before deadline [14:54] <Viv> did he switch back to VE cause he was afraid of MZ lynch? [14:55] <marvelbabe> he was just dicking around probably [14:55] <marvelbabe> something he does as mafia rather than town :/ [14:55] <marvelbabe> he did the same with the mayoral vote in LIX if i recall [14:55] <marvelbabe> and also voted like an arse as my scum team-mate in NMM3 [14:59] <Viv> you're right with your analysis [14:59] <Viv> if there was a scum lynch on the line, they wouldn't have spread out their votes like that [14:59] <Viv> but on the other hand [14:59] <Viv> some people were able to switch between MZ and VE freely even if sloosh was scum [15:00] <Viv> so well [15:00] <Viv> kinda conclusionless [15:00] <Viv> -_- [15:01] <marvelbabe> i still think it wouldn't be as close if that were the case [15:01] <Viv> But SlOosh's actions suck pretty much [15:02] <Viv> it's so hard to put him off as town cause of votes [15:02] <Viv> after all [15:02] <marvelbabe> slOosh does look dodgy [15:02] <Viv> scum are prisoners of their previous actions [15:02] <marvelbabe> i'm interested to see what he posts next [15:02] <Viv> they can't predict how they'll be forced to vote based on what they did [15:03] <Viv> They know any strange voteswitch pattern would reveal them [15:03] <marvelbabe> s'always easy to change your mind d1 [15:04] <marvelbabe> shrug [15:05] <marvelbabe> just need sloosh to post some [15:05] <marvelbabe> i'd quite like him to mason me [15:05] <Viv> Koshi has been under the radar quite much [15:06] <marvelbabe> he's seemed ok [15:06] <marvelbabe> also [15:06] <marvelbabe> i know his alignment in Nuclear [15:06] <Viv> Read this post-lynch [15:06] <Viv> filter First of all, it sucks that I went to bed and voted Malongo, but out of myself I would not have voted for SLoosh or MZ. If I would have been there right before lynch I might have voted otherwise to save VE but I don’t know [15:07] <Viv> but pre-lynch he said this: Ok, so this vote is incredible close and I am going to bed in 40 minutes. My targets are VE and Malongo [15:07] <marvelbabe> oh really [15:08] <marvelbabe> lemme look [15:08] <Viv> seems like he thinks that VE's claim was really strong in retrospect [15:08] <Viv> and would have swayed him [15:09] <marvelbabe> doesn't look too bad to me actually [15:10] <Viv> it's not univocally scummy yeah [15:10] <marvelbabe> seems normal enough [15:10] <marvelbabe> reminds me of Firm ranting about getting off VE [15:10] <marvelbabe> role != alignment [15:12] <marvelbabe> i just really really really want to kill those 2 lol [15:13] <Viv> kholly and FT [15:13] <marvelbabe> ye [15:13] <marvelbabe> i'll probably make a nice looking post tonight -Screwed up saving this part -_-- [17:04] <marvelbabe> yeah [17:04] <marvelbabe> it's more like [17:04] <marvelbabe> if there was no restriction [17:04] <marvelbabe> i'd kinda just be musing over things about kholly/FT whatever in the thread without structuring it [17:04] <marvelbabe> but as it is I'm waiting until I have time to piece everything together [17:05] <Viv> hiro just sent me a pm [17:05] <Viv> asked me what I htink about kholly [17:05] <Viv> u think we can all be in the same chat at the same time? [17:05] <Viv> rule.wise [17:05] <marvelbabe> ponder [17:05] <marvelbabe> i think we'd have to ask [17:05] <marvelbabe> because theoretically [17:05] <Viv> it makes no difference [17:05] <marvelbabe> it removes the doubt that one person could be tinkering with forwarded messages or something like that [17:06] <Viv> well that's one difference, true [17:06] <marvelbabe> actually [17:06] <marvelbabe> although you can PM multiple ppl with TL+ [17:06] <marvelbabe> not sure [17:06] <marvelbabe> have to clarify with RoL [17:06] <marvelbabe> i guess [17:06] <Viv> should i ask him [17:06] <Viv> he didnt seem to have a problem with irc [17:07] <Viv> but well, guess I'll open up a parallel chat in the meantime [17:07] <Viv> are you able to look up my other channels? [17:07] <marvelbabe> erm [17:08] <Viv> yeah [17:08] <Viv> with whois [17:08] <marvelbabe> yes [17:08] <marvelbabe> yup [17:08] <Viv> bleh [17:08] <Viv> need another program then [17:09] <Viv> freenode and quakenet should be different [17:09] <marvelbabe> i don't see much reason to mason hiro when i'm connected with him through you [17:10] <marvelbabe> Ace is so fucking bad at mafia [17:10] <marvelbabe> it infuriates me [17:12] <Viv> are you talking about another game [17:12] <Viv> or did i miss some post [17:12] <Viv> oh there he is [17:13] <Viv> why bad and not scummy [17:13] <marvelbabe> because ace is bad as town [17:14] <marvelbabe> mind you if someone said they were shooting him tonight i wouldn't discourage them [17:18] <Viv> hiro has come to similar conclusions as us [17:18] <Viv> he would lynch everyone on VE except for Oats and yam [17:19] <marvelbabe> not totally unreasonable [17:19] <marvelbabe> lol MZ really had his vote on DrH [17:19] <marvelbabe> wow [17:22] <marvelbabe> such a cock [17:22] <Viv> ? [17:22] <marvelbabe> i hate people who don't play games they sign up for [17:23] <Viv> SlOosh posted something interesting actually [17:23] <marvelbabe> was just looking at MZ's filter and it made me seethe [17:23] <Viv> oh well [17:23] <Viv> I've seen worse I think [17:23] <marvelbabe> yeah but he's been around for years [17:23] <marvelbabe> and should know better [17:24] <Viv> Btw if SlOosh was scum [17:24] <Viv> and not enough people were sold on VE [17:24] <Viv> then it made sense to push a third wagon [17:24] <marvelbabe> that's not how it felt to me [17:25] <marvelbabe> then again, when i caught up on the thread earlier it didn't feel liek MZ had that many votes either [17:27] <marvelbabe> i dunno [17:27] <Viv> Should we give HIro our logs [17:27] <marvelbabe> i'll have to reread pages 24-26 or whenever it was [17:27] <Viv> can we trust him enough [17:27] <marvelbabe> you may be right [17:27] <marvelbabe> hrrr [17:27] <marvelbabe> if he's scum what would the downside be [17:27] <Viv> im about to check the timing of the MZ wagon to start [17:27] <Viv> to see if it was a timing where SlOosh was more at danger [17:28] <Viv> like right after the claim [17:28] <marvelbabe> yeah [17:28] <marvelbabe> that would actually be useful [17:28] <Viv> if he's scum he can decide if we're worth killing [17:28] <Viv> the upside is that he is a safehouse for our logs [17:28] <Viv> if we die [17:28] <Viv> and if he's scum he can fake stuff [17:28] <marvelbabe> well [17:29] <marvelbabe> tbh [17:29] <marvelbabe> the important things we talked about (main scumreads) will be in the thread at some point anyway [17:29] <marvelbabe> i don't see any harm [17:30] <Viv> [17:28] <Hiro__> sloosh, laya, kholly probably [17:29] <Hiro__> dunn about the others, probably in the pool of no-content-posters+mz/malongo/s&b/ace [17:30] <Viv> He's pretty much on the same wave lol [17:31] <marvelbabe> cept Firm [17:31] <marvelbabe> flesh that out with him [17:31] <Viv> on it [17:32] <Viv> [17:31] <@Codename_Pasta> What's your read of FirmTofu? [17:31] <@Codename_Pasta> Wasn't he on VE as well? [17:32] <Hiro__> no he was on sloosh i think [17:32] <Hiro__> he's probably town, too loud/dumb [17:33] <marvelbabe> that's too casual [17:33] <marvelbabe> we talked about a lot of specific things [17:33] <marvelbabe> too casual on his part i mean [17:33] <marvelbabe> i should probably check how he played in Nuclear before I make a final decision on him later [17:34] <Viv> want me to ask him something specific? [17:34] <Viv> Im going to confront him with some of the stuff we found scummy [17:34] <marvelbabe> well what were the things we talked about [17:34] <marvelbabe> the exaggeration/lie/big play thing [17:34] <marvelbabe> how he went from VE -> slOosh [17:35] <marvelbabe> related to that is his unexplained town read on sloosh [17:35] <marvelbabe> and how he was suddenly happy to kill him over a scumread in VE because of what VE claimed [17:35] <marvelbabe> that kinda biz [17:37] <marvelbabe> I feel like i'm missing something important [17:37] <Viv> im confronting him with the VE-> SlOosh thingy now [17:37] <Viv> if you need a specific passage, I'm saving logs [17:37] <marvelbabe> did we talk about anything else in relation to FT? [17:38] <marvelbabe> oh yeah [17:38] <marvelbabe> like [17:38] <marvelbabe> how he admitted DrH's points were valid [17:38] <marvelbabe> then ignored them [17:39] <Viv> [17:37] <Hiro__> yea he switched after ve said he couldn't fire i think [17:37] <Hiro__> he said something about about him testing drh+sloosh and deciding that they're both town right? [17:38] <Hiro__> hm mz wasn't viable when he switched [17:38] <Hiro__> the mz flurry was after he voted for sloosh [17:39] <Hiro__> ok so probably just him being to quick to go "claimed blue can't lynch" [17:39] <Hiro__> he's pretty new right? [17:40] <Viv> [17:40] <Hiro__> i dunno he just seems like an idiot to me [17:40] <Hiro__> i don't think he's mafia [17:41] <marvelbabe> i think hiro is wrong [17:41] <marvelbabe> also firm said he played a lot on another site [17:41] <marvelbabe> and that he was "venerated" there [17:41] <marvelbabe> possibly in this QT if not in the thread: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Esj8qV9rQ2T [17:41] <Viv> [17:40] <Hiro__> it's the kind of bad stuff townies do all the time [17:40] <Hiro__> set "traps" that don't actually do anything [17:41] <marvelbabe> that's the obsQT for the newbie i was talking about in my 2nd post when I pulled Firm up on his stance on lying [17:42] <marvelbabe> tell him [17:43] <marvelbabe> it's not the fact that it's a shitty trap, it's the fact that a) he was totally against lying and is basically at it again, and more importantly b) what he did with the trap. he unilaterally called sloosh town for no reason, and yet DrH was scum for unspecified different reasons to sloosh. [17:44] <Viv> ace: "and Scum I'm not the traitor. I'm just playing this game for myself. I've got my own win condition that I've made up for myself. " [17:43] <Hiro__> lol [17:44] <marvelbabe> yeah [17:44] <marvelbabe> it's why i wouldn't be averse to him dying >.> [17:44] <marvelbabe> tbh i could kill about 5 players at a drop of a hat [17:45] <marvelbabe> kholly/malongo/ace/MZ can all die for basically not playing [17:45] <Viv> well Hiro knows it's you on the other end now [17:45] <Viv> he's telling you to mason him [17:45] <Viv> O_o [17:46] <Viv> he basically just read that sentence and knew it's you [17:46] <marvelbabe> lol [17:46] <marvelbabe> i assumed you were passing on that it was me tbh lol [17:47] <marvelbabe> tell him to mason me himself, the slut [17:49] <Viv> [17:48] <@Codename_Pasta> I'd go for: Kholly, FT, S & B, ace, layabout, SlOosh [17:49] <@Codename_Pasta> those are mine, not his mind you [17:49] <Hiro__> yea i'd rather not kill tofu, but the others look fine to me [17:49] <@Codename_Pasta> he's currently mostly interested into FT and kholly [17:51] <Viv> I feel like using the other mason on wiggles [17:51] <Viv> His MZ preference doesn't look that good in light of our conclusion [17:51] <Viv> wanna see if we can win him over to our cause [17:51] <Viv> btw I need to go look up that timing now [17:51] <marvelbabe> i'd try to get him to do most of the talking [17:51] <marvelbabe> try to figure out why he wasn't commenting on certain stuff [17:52] <marvelbabe> why MZ above Chezinu for example [17:52] <marvelbabe> a little [17:52] <marvelbabe> pmed yamato about 2 hours ago but i guess he's not around ye [17:52] <marvelbabe> t [17:59] <Viv> What about this from FTart of my reasoning is that you have slOosh listed as a town read, which I believe is how town would look at slOosh and part of it is because you have deconstructed and analyzed my posts exactly how someone would form a town PoV. Had you made something like this earlier, I would have dropped my case on you immediately. [17:59] <Viv> To DrH [18:01] <marvelbabe> what about it? [18:01] <Viv> I'm trying to see it from the Hiro PoV [18:01] <Viv> Are there indicators that FT is town [18:02] <marvelbabe> oh [18:02] <marvelbabe> almost certainly [18:02] <Viv> He shows huge inconsistencies in his play, that's true [18:02] <marvelbabe> i don't think hiro's stance is actually unreasonable, i just think it's wrong [18:02] <marvelbabe> what you just posted [18:02] <marvelbabe> can be from either [18:03] <marvelbabe> from a scum POV it's "i finally found an excuse to drop this case that is increasingly getting me in trouble" [18:03] <Viv> lol [18:03] <Viv> yeah [18:03] <marvelbabe> which is incidentally [18:03] <marvelbabe> backed up by his vote on VE where he was like "yeah DrH isn't happenin anyway" [18:04] <Viv> Well I'm reading your posts of the time [18:04] <Viv> one mom [18:04] <marvelbabe> i was pretty close to voting FT [18:05] <marvelbabe> but then I got pissed off that DrH ignored me twice [18:05] <marvelbabe> so i didn't [18:05] <marvelbabe> lol [18:05] <marvelbabe> #validreasons [18:05] <Viv> :D [18:06] <marvelbabe> generally i'm against lynching active players day 1 [18:06] <marvelbabe> and i couldn't see how chez was supposed to be town [18:06] <marvelbabe> still pretty amazed no-one else voted for him [18:07] <Viv> Need some thread-presence [18:07] <Viv> but I fear we'll only get bullets [18:07] <marvelbabe> that happens [18:07] <Viv> you have a good wire to gumshoe methinks [18:07] <marvelbabe> i'm rather used to dying [18:07] <marvelbabe> how do you mena [18:08] <Viv> Need to win people for our reads [18:08] <Viv> better start working on that soon [18:08] <marvelbabe> ah [18:08] <marvelbabe> it'll be fine [18:08] <marvelbabe> i'll make a nice longish pretty post [18:08] <marvelbabe> if i die people will go read it [18:08] <marvelbabe> if i live i cna push it myself [18:09] <marvelbabe> que sera sera [18:11] <Viv> SlOosh donated all his stuff to DrH [18:11] <Viv> before leaving [18:12] <Viv> assuming someone is scum, would you donate, and if you did, would you donate to someone posting against FT? [18:12] <marvelbabe> what of it? [18:12] <marvelbabe> ah [18:13] <marvelbabe> your question is would scum-sloosh give posts to town-drh on the basis of either scum-or-town tofu? [18:13] <Viv> yes [18:14] <marvelbabe> interesting [18:14] <marvelbabe> you'd imagine scum-sloosh wouldn't give town-DrH posts if Tofu was scum [18:14] <Viv> man I need to better express my thoughts [18:14] <Viv> well somewhat [18:14] <Viv> might also be the opposite though [18:14] <marvelbabe> i think [18:14] <Viv> should probably not focus on that [18:14] <marvelbabe> that it's not worth thinking about [18:14] <marvelbabe> yeah [18:14] <marvelbabe> like [18:15] <marvelbabe> it's interesting and you can muse on it [18:15] <Viv> he might hope someone gets back to that later [18:15] <marvelbabe> but the conclusions are weak [18:15] <Viv> the scum-being-right stuff [18:15] <marvelbabe> mebbe [18:15] <marvelbabe> seems too minor [18:16] <marvelbabe> gumshoe grubbing for a mason [18:16] <marvelbabe> should i? [18:16] <Viv> no [18:17] <Viv> id prefer to mason scumreads now [18:17] <Viv> or nullish people [18:17] <Viv> but do as you please [18:17] <Viv> we can use him as insurance too [18:17] <Viv> Noticed some other stuff about FT [18:17] <Viv> When he responds to a post of yours, he defends himself from something else than he's accused of [18:17] <Viv> www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19213598 [18:18] <Viv> He explains why he purses DrH longer than SlOosh [18:19] <Viv> He also says DrH has solid points [18:19] <Viv> but you mentioned that [18:19] <Viv> already [18:19] <marvelbabe> i think i'm gonna mason him [18:19] <marvelbabe> as he's masoned with kholly [18:19] <marvelbabe> plus i like him [18:19] <Viv> ok [18:20] <Viv> How about masoning FT? [18:20] <Viv> Wanna leave that to me? [18:20] <Viv> Anyway FT is avoiding points against him and then defends about other stuff [18:20] <marvelbabe> if you like [18:21] <Viv> Not sure if scum or just stupid [18:21] <marvelbabe> i think wiggles is a better choice [18:21] <marvelbabe> you can get more out of tofu in thread unlike wiggles [18:21] <Viv> Well I'm sending in Wiggles then [18:21] <Viv> Jesus I'll need a new irc domain [18:21] <marvelbabe> rofl [18:22] <marvelbabe> i'd suggest with Wiggles [18:22] <marvelbabe> don't ask him leading questions too much [18:22] <marvelbabe> try to get him to proffer information unprodded [18:33] <Viv> Shall I send the logs to Hiro now? [18:34] <Viv> Well I'll go for it I think [18:35] <marvelbabe> yeah [18:35] <marvelbabe> it's fine marvelbabeViv [11:35] <Pasta> Hey, I have been masoned by someone else in the meantime [11:35] <Pasta> will tell you soon [11:35] <Pasta> what do you think happened tonight [11:35] <Pasta> how is it possible that two scum die [11:35] <Pasta> btw the guy who masoned me [11:36] <Pasta> you will find interesting [11:37] <Pasta> also, need your conversations with yamato please [11:37] <@marvelbabe> hey [11:37] <@marvelbabe> they're in-thread [11:37] <Pasta> ah [11:37] <Pasta> well, did you check out his filter post-flip? [11:37] <Pasta> there are two interesting interactions [11:37] <@marvelbabe> naw [11:38] <@marvelbabe> no-one else masoned me [11:38] <@marvelbabe> i'm salty *snip* [11:38] <Pasta> wiggles didn't reply yet [11:39] <@marvelbabe> so [11:39] <@marvelbabe> did hiro genuinely believe sloosh mafia [11:40] <Pasta> trying to remember [11:40] <Pasta> lost the fucking logs [11:40] <Pasta> sigh [11:40] <@marvelbabe> good job [11:40] <@marvelbabe> you still got ours? [11:40] <Pasta> yeah [11:40] <@marvelbabe> phew [11:41] <@marvelbabe> i didn't save [11:41] <@marvelbabe> could you send me at some point [11:41] <@marvelbabe> not urgent [11:41] <Pasta> irc needs some function [11:41] <Pasta> need to ask palmar if he can write us some script that saves chat automatically [11:41] <Pasta> lol [11:42] <Pasta> anyway [11:42] <Pasta> I know, Hiro suspected everyone on VE wagon [11:42] <Pasta> except for yam and Oats [11:42] <Pasta> I think I told you in chat yesterday too [11:43] <Pasta> he didn't like the scum FT idea [11:43] <Pasta> nor the S & B scum [11:43] <Pasta> nor was he keen on lynching ace [11:45] <@marvelbabe> yea [11:45] <@marvelbabe> it's hard to workout his motives [11:45] <@marvelbabe> i think if i were traitor [11:45] <@marvelbabe> i'd genuinely scumhunt [11:46] <@Pasta> if he joined mafia [11:46] <@Pasta> wouldn't he have flipped red [11:46] <@Pasta> don't think he became part of their team [11:48] <@Pasta> man, my mason partner is so scummy [11:48] <@marvelbabe> no he hadn't joined [11:48] <@marvelbabe> i'd bet a lot of money on that [11:48] <@marvelbabe> lol who is your partner? [11:48] <@Pasta> take a guess [11:49] <@Pasta> no, not ft [11:49] <@Pasta> anyway, I suspect FT is town now [11:49] <@Pasta> from reading yamato [11:50] <@marvelbabe> eh [11:50] <@marvelbabe> there's a redcheck [11:50] <@marvelbabe> and DrH thinks the opposite [11:50] <@Pasta> WHAT [11:50] <@Pasta> where's the redcheck [11:51] <@Pasta> must be legit then [11:51] <@Pasta> But I can't get out of my head that SlOosh is scum [11:52] <@Pasta> and FT ended up on hi [11:52] <@Pasta> m [11:53] <@Pasta> lol it's from ace [11:53] <@marvelbabe> yea... [11:53] <@Pasta> you didn't seriously believe that [11:53] <@marvelbabe> why not [11:53] <@Pasta> come on marv [11:54] <@marvelbabe> what? [11:54] <@marvelbabe> he said he had a redcheck [11:54] <@marvelbabe> i'm not going to assume he's lying [11:54] <@Pasta> And will laugh his ass off if we follow it [11:54] <@marvelbabe> i disagree. [11:55] <@Pasta> well I'm not trusting that claim [11:55] <@Pasta> do what you will [11:56] <@Pasta> we will have to agree on disagreeing [11:56] <@marvelbabe> i'm happy for a 1 for 1 [11:56] <@marvelbabe> with kholly as a further banker [11:57] <@marvelbabe> i play mafia much simpler than you vivax :p [11:58] <@Pasta> meaning the claimß *snip* [12:04] <@Pasta> but honestly [12:05] <@Pasta> this guy either is genuinely quite non-caring about the game [12:05] <@Pasta> or he doesn't have a straight story [12:05] <@Pasta> you'll see [12:05] <@Pasta> he also takes quite a while to respond to stuff [12:05] <@Pasta> avoids some questions [12:05] <@Pasta> telling you cause you don't see it in the chat maybew [12:07] <@Pasta> SENT [12:07] <@Pasta> now read it please [12:09] <@marvelbabe> ok [12:09] <@marvelbabe> just been carrying parcels, exhausting [12:11] <@marvelbabe> oh koshi [12:11] <@marvelbabe> i hadn't thought much of him [12:13] <@marvelbabe> LOL [12:13] <@marvelbabe> i like this from him tbh [12:13] <@marvelbabe> [11:17] <@Pasta> when i asked for reads [11:17] <@Pasta> you didn't say ace [11:17] <Koshi> Ace and Malongo are just being jackasses [11:17] <Koshi> I don't know what to say [11:17] <@Pasta> don't you think jackasses can be scum? [11:17] <Koshi> Sure. But what else is there to say. [12:13] <@Pasta> he had forgotten [12:13] <@Pasta> he had pushed ve [12:14] <@Pasta> but not voted for him [12:14] <@Pasta> what guy forgets the people he made cases on [12:15] <@marvelbabe> oh that's what that is [12:15] <@marvelbabe> wait what [12:16] <@marvelbabe> what timestamp? [12:17] <@Pasta> 11:34 [12:17] <@marvelbabe> oh [12:17] <@marvelbabe> not there yet [12:17] <@marvelbabe> ok, no wonder my confusion :D [12:19] <@marvelbabe> [11:40] <Koshi> Nha, at this point I understand that I am super pro town looking. So you asking me questions is always good. [11:40] <Koshi> not super pro town* [12:19] <@marvelbabe> best typo [12:20] <@marvelbabe> i still don't think he's scum [12:20] <@marvelbabe> then again i didn't think yamato was scum either [12:21] <@marvelbabe> i think i'm blinded by Nuclear to an extent [12:22] <@marvelbabe> if he's town here, to an extent he's similar to me, which is unlike the large majority of people [12:23] <@marvelbabe> vivax [12:23] <@Pasta> meh [12:23] <@Pasta> did he mason you [12:24] <@Pasta> how many people know we two are masoned [12:24] <@marvelbabe> actually i'm not sure anyone knows *snip* [12:29] <@marvelbabe> yeah [12:29] <@marvelbabe> i think you're a particularly terrible choice for a scummer [12:29] <@marvelbabe> because you're relentless :p [12:34] <@marvelbabe> then again koshi may be too new to know that [12:34] <@marvelbabe> although i guess scum would discuss their mason targets [12:34] <@marvelbabe> i wonder if at some indeterminate point in the game, everyone should be saying who they masoned [12:36] <@marvelbabe> "And I think I like Koshi a lot better after reading that. He seems genuinely lost, which is understandable in this environment." [12:37] <@Pasta> you two didn't see how he hesitates though [12:37] <@Pasta> didn't look at all like he would talk of stuff he finds interesting [12:37] <@Pasta> on his own [12:38] <@Pasta> im really not sure what to make of this ace claim [12:38] <@Pasta> the guy says you should never claim as dt [12:39] <@Pasta> imo he just wants to do the same shit as in roulette [12:39] <@Pasta> for super insane mode, maybe he does it on his scumbuddy [12:39] <@Pasta> lol [12:39] <@marvelbabe> it's possible [12:39] <@marvelbabe> naw [12:39] <@marvelbabe> ace would never do that [12:39] <@Pasta> but he's not trusted [12:39] <@Pasta> he knows it [12:39] <@marvelbabe> you're right, it IS a possibility that he's pulling a Roulette [12:40] <@marvelbabe> but if I can hit FT + Ace + Kholly in the next 3 lynches [12:40] <@marvelbabe> and hit 2 mafia [12:40] <@marvelbabe> that's just dandy [12:40] <@marvelbabe> with yamato/hiro dying [12:40] <@marvelbabe> we're in a decent spot [12:40] <@Pasta> wtf happened there [12:40] <@Pasta> i still don't get it [12:40] <@Pasta> some super leet vigi [12:41] <@marvelbabe> yeah [12:42] <@marvelbabe> like i said in thread [12:42] <@marvelbabe> i think it'd be hilarious if hiro was a scumhit [12:42] <@Pasta> yeah [12:42] <@Pasta> maybe scum decided to hit him once they saw the logs I passed to you [12:42] <@Pasta> [12:43] <@marvelbabe> lol [12:43] <@marvelbabe> that must be it. [12:44] <@Pasta> yes [12:44] <@Pasta> Iknew it all along [12:44] <@Pasta> it's always you marv [12:44] <@Pasta> pulling the strings [12:44] <@marvelbabe> [12:45] <@marvelbabe> i am a good string puller [12:45] <@Pasta> wish I knew what that menas [12:45] <@marvelbabe> lol [12:45] <@marvelbabe> it means i'm good at organising/planning as mafia [12:45] <@Pasta> ah ok [12:45] <@Pasta> yeah well [12:45] <@Pasta> unless you got chez in team [12:45] <@Pasta> he does what he pleases [12:46] <@marvelbabe> i've had chez on my team [12:46] <@marvelbabe> and a totally inactive talis [12:46] <@Pasta> im sorry for that [12:46] <@marvelbabe> i won easily obvs [12:46] <@Pasta> lol [12:46] <@marvelbabe> but no help from those 2 [12:46] <@marvelbabe> Chez is really good fun in scumQT [12:46] <@marvelbabe> but useless in thread [12:46] <@marvelbabe> he basically just did last-minute votes [12:47] <@marvelbabe> talis just afk-ed [12:47] <@marvelbabe> managed to keep talis alive until day 4 and chez survived to endgame with me [12:48] <@Pasta> you manage to keep thread presence without taking responsibility very well [12:48] <@Pasta> or better [12:48] <@Pasta> without getting your hands too dirty [12:49] <@Pasta> anyway [12:49] <@Pasta> i wanna talk to wiggles [12:49] <@Pasta> he disappeared [12:49] <@marvelbabe> what do you think of Korynne? [12:50] <@marvelbabe> i'm leaning dumb townie [12:50] <@Pasta> i said something about him [12:50] <@Pasta> i found his entrance townie [12:50] <@Pasta> it was during N1 [12:50] <@marvelbabe> oh it was you i talked to about him [12:50] <@marvelbabe> couldn't remember if it was you or gumshoe [12:50] <@Pasta> ill send you the logs [12:50] <@marvelbabe> did he get off his rayn tunnel yet? [12:51] <@marvelbabe> didn't really read his last post [12:51] <@Pasta> idk [12:52] <@Pasta> sent logs [12:52] <@marvelbabe> god [12:52] <@marvelbabe> we talked a lot [12:53] <@marvelbabe> there's some missing at the end? [12:53] <@Pasta> well, today's [12:53] <@marvelbabe> no [12:53] <@marvelbabe> there was more last night [12:53] <@Pasta> didn't it stop with me sending logs to hiro? [12:53] <@Pasta> I recall it being the last stuff [12:53] <@marvelbabe> nay [12:54] <@marvelbabe> nono [12:54] <@Pasta> sigh [12:54] <@marvelbabe> [17:37] <marvelbabe> I feel like i'm missing something important [12:54] <@marvelbabe> because after that [12:54] <@marvelbabe> i remember what it was [12:54] <@marvelbabe> talked about that [12:54] <@marvelbabe> then we talked more about what hiro was saying [12:54] <@marvelbabe> it's not the end of the world, that's the meat of it [12:54] <@Pasta> oh yeah [12:54] <@Pasta> i got it [12:54] <@Pasta> somehow didn't get selected [12:55] <@Pasta> sent [12:55] <@marvelbabe> cool [12:55] <@marvelbabe> my memory isn't gash after all lol [12:56] <@Pasta> I miss my old memory [12:56] <@Pasta> already feeling old just for that [12:56] <@Pasta> at 24 [12:57] <@marvelbabe> yeah [12:57] <@marvelbabe> 28 T.T [12:57] <@marvelbabe> kinda funny [12:58] <@marvelbabe> quite a few of the "older" players like you, me, VE, Palmar play kinda crazy [12:59] <@Pasta> most play crazy to some extent [12:59] <@Pasta> I'm not aware of the average age [13:00] <@marvelbabe> me neither [13:00] <@marvelbabe> but quite a few teenagers i think [13:00] <@Pasta> I think axle is an interesting guy [13:00] <@Pasta> the guy always writes short sketches [13:00] <@marvelbabe> axle is amazing [13:01] <@marvelbabe> his writing gives me tingles lol [13:01] <@Pasta> yeah :D [13:01] <@marvelbabe> read one of his epically long posts [13:01] <@marvelbabe> and hope there's another to follow [13:01] <@marvelbabe> i could read them all day lol [13:01] <@marvelbabe> and he's actually becoming quite decent at mafia [13:02] <@Pasta> I thought he was some insane drunkard [13:02] <@Pasta> first time I saw him [13:02] <@Pasta> when he was scum [13:02] <@Pasta> lots of mistakes [13:02] <@Pasta> now he's becoming some sort of pro writer [13:02] <@Pasta> and also plays well [13:02] <@marvelbabe> ye [13:02] <@marvelbabe> did you see his first newbie game as town? [13:02] <@Pasta> nah [13:02] <@marvelbabe> best thing ever [13:03] <@marvelbabe> he made extensive cases on the hosts [13:03] <@Pasta> hhaha [13:03] <@marvelbabe> not even joking [13:03] <@Pasta> need to check that out [13:03] <@marvelbabe> he decided everyone was town [13:03] <@marvelbabe> so the hosts must be the mafia | ||
Vivax
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Oh well. + Show Spoiler + [13:04] <@marvelbabe> trying to remember what batch of newbie numbers he was around [13:04] <@marvelbabe> sometime around 30 maybe [13:17] <@Pasta> Tell me if you think this is scum-scum please [13:17] <@Pasta> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=18#341 [13:20] <@marvelbabe> hmm [13:20] <@marvelbabe> first paragraph seems more like scum-town, second more like scum-scum [13:28] <@Pasta> should have catched yamato right there [13:28] <@Pasta> has MZ as scum [13:28] <@Pasta> asks FT to read Oats [13:28] <@Pasta> completely random [13:29] <@marvelbabe> easy in hindsight my dear [13:29] <@marvelbabe> at the time you can always rationalise it away [13:29] <@marvelbabe> pretty sure you could find plenty of townies doing equally weird things [13:29] <@Pasta> yeah, it's pure hindisght [13:30] <@Pasta> but tells us what we have to look for [13:30] <@Pasta> in parrt [13:30] <@Pasta> people who don't seem to value their own scumreads [13:30] <@Pasta> koshi's stuff with VE is basically analogous [13:32] <@marvelbabe> that's not correct logic [13:32] <@marvelbabe> because one scum person did something doesn't mean it's a scumteam-s mantra [13:33] <@Pasta> this is getting somewhat into our heuristics [13:33] <@Pasta> but scum make their shit up [13:33] <@Pasta> they lack conviction behind it [13:33] <@Pasta> and might make the mistake to forget their later play to their previous reads [13:33] <@Pasta> to forgoet to adapt* [13:34] <@Pasta> if you pushed VE but decided not to vote him for some reason [13:34] <@Pasta> and later I ask you [13:34] <@Pasta> "Can you think of guys posting arguments against VE but not voting for him"? [13:34] <@Pasta> and you reply "Nah idk" [13:35] <@Pasta> It means you don't rememeber your previous attitude [13:35] <@Pasta> scum doesn't have real attitudes [13:35] <@marvelbabe> or it means he didn't view himself that way [13:36] <@Pasta> I also don't understand [13:37] <@Pasta> he posted arguments for VE being scum [13:37] <@Pasta> usually, when it turns out you're wrong, that leaves you some justification for the guy being lynched [13:37] <@Pasta> or better [13:38] <@Pasta> even if VE was mislynched, he should have been at least a little of the opinion that the guys lynching him had some point [13:38] <@marvelbabe> :/ [13:38] <@marvelbabe> i'm not getting any of this [13:38] <@marvelbabe> i think he's fine [13:38] <@Pasta> well he posted arguments for VE being scum [13:38] <@Pasta> but doesn't see where the guys lynching him come from [13:39] <@Pasta> and agrees that it was a scum bandwagon [13:39] <@marvelbabe> if he's scum then he's magically taken the 100% opposite attitude to the other game where he's scum [13:39] <@marvelbabe> so he's not very interesting to me right now [13:39] <@Pasta> not reading that game [13:39] <@Pasta> might do [13:39] <@Pasta> Other thing: [13:40] <@Pasta> He thinks FT is scum [13:40] <@Pasta> So I ask him about SlOosh [13:40] <@Pasta> cause he agrees that scum was on VE [13:40] <@Pasta> but FT was on SlOosh! [13:40] <@marvelbabe> so???? [13:40] <@Pasta> He doesn't use that to get a read on sloosh [13:41] <@Pasta> like [13:41] <@Pasta> "It's unlikely scum would end on scum when they could lynch the vig" [13:42] <@marvelbabe> ok [13:42] <@Pasta> I miss the thinking process I would expect from a townie with those reads [13:42] <@marvelbabe> i think you miss YOUR thinking process [13:43] <@Pasta> i might not explain it well [13:43] <@marvelbabe> you explain it fine [13:43] <@marvelbabe> i just don't attach what you attach to it [13:43] <@marvelbabe> i'm sitting here going "meh... maaaaaybe... but eh" [11:35] <Pasta> Hey, I have been masoned by someone else in the meantime [11:35] <Pasta> will tell you soon [11:35] <Pasta> what do you think happened tonight [11:35] <Pasta> how is it possible that two scum die [11:35] <Pasta> btw the guy who masoned me [11:36] <Pasta> you will find interesting [11:37] <Pasta> also, need your conversations with yamato please [11:37] <@marvelbabe> hey [11:37] <@marvelbabe> they're in-thread [11:37] <Pasta> ah [11:37] <Pasta> well, did you check out his filter post-flip? [11:37] <Pasta> there are two interesting interactions [11:37] <@marvelbabe> naw [11:38] <@marvelbabe> no-one else masoned me [11:38] <@marvelbabe> i'm salty [11:38] <Pasta> lol [11:38] <@marvelbabe> oh [11:38] <@marvelbabe> rofl [11:38] <Pasta> wiggles didn't reply yet [11:39] <@marvelbabe> so [11:39] <@marvelbabe> did hiro genuinely believe sloosh mafia [11:40] <Pasta> trying to remember [11:40] <Pasta> lost the fucking logs [11:40] <Pasta> sigh [11:40] <@marvelbabe> good job [11:40] <@marvelbabe> you still got ours? [11:40] <Pasta> yeah [11:40] <@marvelbabe> phew [11:41] <@marvelbabe> i didn't save [11:41] <@marvelbabe> could you send me at some point [11:41] <@marvelbabe> not urgent [11:41] <Pasta> irc needs some function [11:41] <Pasta> need to ask palmar if he can write us some script that saves chat automatically [11:41] <Pasta> lol [11:42] <Pasta> anyway [11:42] <Pasta> I know, Hiro suspected everyone on VE wagon [11:42] <Pasta> except for yam and Oats [11:42] <Pasta> I think I told you in chat yesterday too [11:43] <Pasta> he didn't like the scum FT idea [11:43] <Pasta> nor the S & B scum [11:43] <Pasta> nor was he keen on lynching ace [11:45] <@marvelbabe> yea [11:45] <@marvelbabe> it's hard to workout his motives [11:45] <@marvelbabe> i think if i were traitor [11:45] <@marvelbabe> i'd genuinely scumhunt [11:46] <@Pasta> if he joined mafia [11:46] <@Pasta> wouldn't he have flipped red [11:46] <@Pasta> don't think he became part of their team [11:48] <@Pasta> man, my mason partner is so scummy [11:48] <@marvelbabe> no he hadn't joined [11:48] <@marvelbabe> i'd bet a lot of money on that [11:48] <@marvelbabe> lol who is your partner? [11:48] <@Pasta> take a guess [11:49] <@Pasta> no, not ft [11:49] <@Pasta> anyway, I suspect FT is town now [11:49] <@Pasta> from reading yamato [11:50] <@marvelbabe> eh [11:50] <@marvelbabe> there's a redcheck [11:50] <@Pasta> WHAT [11:50] <@Pasta> where's the redcheck [11:51] <@Pasta> must be legit then [11:51] <@Pasta> But I can't get out of my head that SlOosh is scum [11:52] <@Pasta> and FT ended up on hi [11:52] <@Pasta> m [11:53] <@Pasta> lol it's from ace [11:53] <@marvelbabe> yea... [11:53] <@Pasta> you didn't seriously believe that [11:53] <@marvelbabe> why not [11:53] <@Pasta> come on marv [11:54] <@marvelbabe> what? [11:54] <@marvelbabe> he said he had a redcheck [11:54] <@marvelbabe> i'm not going to assume he's lying [11:54] <@Pasta> And will laugh his ass off if we follow it [11:54] <@marvelbabe> i disagree. [11:55] <@Pasta> well I'm not trusting that claim [11:55] <@Pasta> do what you will [11:56] <@Pasta> we will have to agree on disagreeing [11:56] <@marvelbabe> i'm happy for a 1 for 1 [11:56] <@marvelbabe> with kholly as a further banker [11:57] <@marvelbabe> i play mafia much simpler than you vivax :p [11:58] <@Pasta> meaning the claimß [11:58] <@Pasta> ? [11:58] <@marvelbabe> yeah and in general [11:58] <@marvelbabe> i conspiracy less [11:59] <@marvelbabe> how exciting [11:59] <@Pasta> good [12:03] <@marvelbabe> so [12:04] <@Pasta> guess u wanna know mine now [12:04] <@Pasta> Also giving you the logs [12:04] <@Pasta> but honestly [12:05] <@Pasta> this guy either is genuinely quite non-caring about the game [12:05] <@Pasta> or he doesn't have a straight story [12:05] <@Pasta> you'll see [12:05] <@Pasta> he also takes quite a while to respond to stuff [12:05] <@Pasta> avoids some questions [12:05] <@Pasta> telling you cause you don't see it in the chat maybew [12:07] <@Pasta> SENT [12:07] <@Pasta> now read it please [12:09] <@marvelbabe> ok [12:09] <@marvelbabe> just been carrying parcels, exhausting [12:11] <@marvelbabe> oh koshi [12:11] <@marvelbabe> i hadn't thought much of him [12:13] <@marvelbabe> LOL [12:13] <@marvelbabe> i like this from him tbh [12:13] <@marvelbabe> [11:17] <@Pasta> when i asked for reads [11:17] <@Pasta> you didn't say ace [11:17] <Koshi> Ace and Malongo are just being jackasses [11:17] <Koshi> I don't know what to say [11:17] <@Pasta> don't you think jackasses can be scum? [11:17] <Koshi> Sure. But what else is there to say. [12:13] <@Pasta> he had forgotten [12:13] <@Pasta> he had pushed ve [12:14] <@Pasta> but not voted for him [12:14] <@Pasta> what guy forgets the people he made cases on [12:15] <@marvelbabe> oh that's what that is [12:15] <@marvelbabe> wait what [12:16] <@marvelbabe> what timestamp? [12:17] <@Pasta> 11:34 [12:17] <@marvelbabe> oh [12:17] <@marvelbabe> not there yet [12:17] <@marvelbabe> ok, no wonder my confusion :D [12:19] <@marvelbabe> [11:40] <Koshi> Nha, at this point I understand that I am super pro town looking. So you asking me questions is always good. [11:40] <Koshi> not super pro town* [12:19] <@marvelbabe> best typo [12:20] <@marvelbabe> i still don't think he's scum [12:20] <@marvelbabe> then again i didn't think yamato was scum either [12:21] <@marvelbabe> i think i'm blinded by Nuclear to an extent [12:22] <@marvelbabe> if he's town here, to an extent he's similar to me, which is unlike the large majority of people [12:23] <@marvelbabe> vivax [12:23] <@Pasta> meh [12:23] <@Pasta> did he mason you [12:24] <@marvelbabe> o [12:24] <@marvelbabe> k [12:24] <@marvelbabe> i ask because he just asked me about koshi [12:25] <@marvelbabe> he said to me [12:25] <@marvelbabe> that he thinks koshi looks bad but he doesn't think he's mafia [12:26] <@marvelbabe> or precisely [12:26] <@marvelbabe> "What are your thoughts on Koshi? His opening post was bad. His vote on Rayne was equally as bad. His followup list of reads were pretty terrible. And yet I cant help but feel like he may not actually be scum." [12:28] <@Pasta> he needs the logs then [12:28] <@Pasta> kinda weird for koshi to pick me as mason partner if he's scum though [12:28] <@Pasta> idk [12:29] <@Pasta> there are probably lazier targets [12:29] <@Pasta> who aren't as active at asking questions [12:29] <@marvelbabe> yeah [12:29] <@marvelbabe> i think you're a particularly terrible choice for a scummer [12:29] <@marvelbabe> because you're relentless :p [12:34] <@marvelbabe> then again koshi may be too new to know that [12:34] <@marvelbabe> although i guess scum would discuss their mason targets [12:34] <@marvelbabe> i wonder if at some indeterminate point in the game, everyone should be saying who they masoned [12:36] <@marvelbabe> "And I think I like Koshi a lot better after reading that. He seems genuinely lost, which is understandable in this environment." [12:37] <@Pasta> you two didn't see how he hesitates though [12:37] <@Pasta> didn't look at all like he would talk of stuff he finds interesting [12:37] <@Pasta> on his own [12:38] <@Pasta> im really not sure what to make of this ace claim [12:38] <@Pasta> the guy says you should never claim as dt [12:39] <@Pasta> imo he just wants to do the same shit as in roulette [12:39] <@Pasta> for super insane mode, maybe he does it on his scumbuddy [12:39] <@Pasta> lol [12:39] <@marvelbabe> it's possible [12:39] <@marvelbabe> naw [12:39] <@marvelbabe> ace would never do that [12:39] <@Pasta> but he's not trusted [12:39] <@Pasta> he knows it [12:39] <@marvelbabe> you're right, it IS a possibility that he's pulling a Roulette [12:40] <@marvelbabe> but if I can hit FT + Ace + Kholly in the next 3 lynches [12:40] <@marvelbabe> and hit 2 mafia [12:40] <@marvelbabe> that's just dandy [12:40] <@marvelbabe> with yamato/hiro dying [12:40] <@marvelbabe> we're in a decent spot [12:40] <@Pasta> wtf happened there [12:40] <@Pasta> i still don't get it [12:40] <@Pasta> some super leet vigi [12:41] <@marvelbabe> yeah [12:42] <@marvelbabe> like i said in thread [12:42] <@marvelbabe> i think it'd be hilarious if hiro was a scumhit [12:42] <@Pasta> yeah [12:42] <@Pasta> maybe scum decided to hit him once they saw the logs I passed to you [12:42] <@Pasta> [12:43] <@marvelbabe> lol [12:43] <@marvelbabe> that must be it. [12:44] <@Pasta> yes [12:44] <@Pasta> Iknew it all along [12:44] <@Pasta> it's always you marv [12:44] <@Pasta> pulling the strings [12:44] <@marvelbabe> [12:45] <@marvelbabe> i am a good string puller [12:45] <@Pasta> wish I knew what that menas [12:45] <@marvelbabe> lol [12:45] <@marvelbabe> it means i'm good at organising/planning as mafia [12:45] <@Pasta> ah ok [12:45] <@Pasta> yeah well [12:45] <@Pasta> unless you got chez in team [12:45] <@Pasta> he does what he pleases [12:46] <@marvelbabe> i've had chez on my team [12:46] <@marvelbabe> and a totally inactive talis [12:46] <@Pasta> im sorry for that [12:46] <@marvelbabe> i won easily obvs [12:46] <@Pasta> lol [12:46] <@marvelbabe> but no help from those 2 [12:46] <@marvelbabe> Chez is really good fun in scumQT [12:46] <@marvelbabe> but useless in thread [12:46] <@marvelbabe> he basically just did last-minute votes [12:47] <@marvelbabe> talis just afk-ed [12:47] <@marvelbabe> managed to keep talis alive until day 4 and chez survived to endgame with me [12:48] <@Pasta> you manage to keep thread presence without taking responsibility very well [12:48] <@Pasta> or better [12:48] <@Pasta> without getting your hands too dirty [12:49] <@Pasta> anyway [12:49] <@Pasta> i wanna talk to wiggles [12:49] <@Pasta> he disappeared [12:49] <@marvelbabe> what do you think of Korynne? [12:50] <@marvelbabe> i'm leaning dumb townie [12:50] <@Pasta> i said something about him [12:50] <@Pasta> i found his entrance townie [12:50] <@Pasta> it was during N1 [12:50] <@marvelbabe> oh it was you i talked to about him [12:50] <@marvelbabe> couldn't remember if it was you or gumshoe [12:50] <@Pasta> ill send you the logs [12:50] <@marvelbabe> did he get off his rayn tunnel yet? [12:51] <@marvelbabe> didn't really read his last post [12:51] <@Pasta> idk [12:52] <@Pasta> sent logs [12:52] <@marvelbabe> god [12:52] <@marvelbabe> we talked a lot [12:53] <@marvelbabe> there's some missing at the end? [12:53] <@Pasta> well, today's [12:53] <@marvelbabe> no [12:53] <@marvelbabe> there was more last night [12:53] <@Pasta> didn't it stop with me sending logs to hiro? [12:53] <@Pasta> I recall it being the last stuff [12:53] <@marvelbabe> nay [12:54] <@marvelbabe> nono [12:54] <@Pasta> sigh [12:54] <@marvelbabe> [17:37] <marvelbabe> I feel like i'm missing something important [12:54] <@marvelbabe> because after that [12:54] <@marvelbabe> i remember what it was [12:54] <@marvelbabe> talked about that [12:54] <@marvelbabe> then we talked more about what hiro was saying [12:54] <@marvelbabe> it's not the end of the world, that's the meat of it [12:54] <@Pasta> oh yeah [12:54] <@Pasta> i got it [12:54] <@Pasta> somehow didn't get selected [12:55] <@Pasta> sent [12:55] <@marvelbabe> cool [12:55] <@marvelbabe> my memory isn't gash after all lol [12:56] <@Pasta> I miss my old memory [12:56] <@Pasta> already feeling old just for that [12:56] <@Pasta> at 24 [12:57] <@marvelbabe> yeah [12:57] <@marvelbabe> 28 T.T [12:57] <@marvelbabe> kinda funny [12:58] <@marvelbabe> quite a few of the "older" players like you, me, VE, Palmar play kinda crazy [12:59] <@Pasta> most play crazy to some extent [12:59] <@Pasta> I'm not aware of the average age [13:00] <@marvelbabe> me neither [13:00] <@marvelbabe> but quite a few teenagers i think [13:00] <@Pasta> I think axle is an interesting guy [13:00] <@Pasta> the guy always writes short sketches [13:00] <@marvelbabe> axle is amazing [13:01] <@marvelbabe> his writing gives me tingles lol [13:01] <@Pasta> yeah :D [13:01] <@marvelbabe> read one of his epically long posts [13:01] <@marvelbabe> and hope there's another to follow [13:01] <@marvelbabe> i could read them all day lol [13:01] <@marvelbabe> and he's actually becoming quite decent at mafia [13:02] <@Pasta> I thought he was some insane drunkard [13:02] <@Pasta> first time I saw him [13:02] <@Pasta> when he was scum [13:02] <@Pasta> lots of mistakes [13:02] <@Pasta> now he's becoming some sort of pro writer [13:02] <@Pasta> and also plays well [13:02] <@marvelbabe> ye [13:02] <@marvelbabe> did you see his first newbie game as town? [13:02] <@Pasta> nah [13:02] <@marvelbabe> best thing ever [13:03] <@marvelbabe> he made extensive cases on the hosts [13:03] <@Pasta> hhaha [13:03] <@marvelbabe> not even joking [13:03] <@Pasta> need to check that out [13:03] <@marvelbabe> he decided everyone was town [13:03] <@marvelbabe> so the hosts must be the mafia [13:04] <@marvelbabe> trying to remember what batch of newbie numbers he was around [13:04] <@marvelbabe> sometime around 30 maybe [13:17] <@Pasta> Tell me if you think this is scum-scum please [13:17] <@Pasta> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=18#341 [13:20] <@marvelbabe> hmm [13:20] <@marvelbabe> first paragraph seems more like scum-town, second more like scum-scum [13:28] <@Pasta> should have catched yamato right there [13:28] <@Pasta> has MZ as scum [13:28] <@Pasta> asks FT to read Oats [13:28] <@Pasta> completely random [13:29] <@marvelbabe> easy in hindsight my dear [13:29] <@marvelbabe> at the time you can always rationalise it away [13:29] <@marvelbabe> pretty sure you could find plenty of townies doing equally weird things [13:29] <@Pasta> yeah, it's pure hindisght [13:30] <@Pasta> but tells us what we have to look for [13:30] <@Pasta> in parrt [13:30] <@Pasta> people who don't seem to value their own scumreads [13:30] <@Pasta> koshi's stuff with VE is basically analogous [13:32] <@marvelbabe> that's not correct logic [13:32] <@marvelbabe> because one scum person did something doesn't mean it's a scumteam-s mantra [13:33] <@Pasta> this is getting somewhat into our heuristics [13:33] <@Pasta> but scum make their shit up [13:33] <@Pasta> they lack conviction behind it [13:33] <@Pasta> and might make the mistake to forget their later play to their previous reads [13:33] <@Pasta> to forgoet to adapt* [13:34] <@Pasta> if you pushed VE but decided not to vote him for some reason [13:34] <@Pasta> and later I ask you [13:34] <@Pasta> "Can you think of guys posting arguments against VE but not voting for him"? [13:34] <@Pasta> and you reply "Nah idk" [13:35] <@Pasta> It means you don't rememeber your previous attitude [13:35] <@Pasta> scum doesn't have real attitudes [13:35] <@marvelbabe> or it means he didn't view himself that way [13:36] <@Pasta> I also don't understand [13:37] <@Pasta> he posted arguments for VE being scum [13:37] <@Pasta> usually, when it turns out you're wrong, that leaves you some justification for the guy being lynched [13:37] <@Pasta> or better [13:38] <@Pasta> even if VE was mislynched, he should have been at least a little of the opinion that the guys lynching him had some point [13:38] <@marvelbabe> :/ [13:38] <@marvelbabe> i'm not getting any of this [13:38] <@marvelbabe> i think he's fine [13:38] <@Pasta> well he posted arguments for VE being scum [13:38] <@Pasta> but doesn't see where the guys lynching him come from [13:39] <@Pasta> and agrees that it was a scum bandwagon [13:39] <@marvelbabe> if he's scum then he's magically taken the 100% opposite attitude to the other game where he's scum [13:39] <@marvelbabe> so he's not very interesting to me right now [13:39] <@Pasta> not reading that game [13:39] <@Pasta> might do [13:39] <@Pasta> Other thing: [13:40] <@Pasta> He thinks FT is scum [13:40] <@Pasta> So I ask him about SlOosh [13:40] <@Pasta> cause he agrees that scum was on VE [13:40] <@Pasta> but FT was on SlOosh! [13:40] <@marvelbabe> so???? [13:40] <@Pasta> He doesn't use that to get a read on sloosh [13:41] <@Pasta> like [13:41] <@Pasta> "It's unlikely scum would end on scum when they could lynch the vig" [13:42] <@marvelbabe> ok [13:42] <@Pasta> I miss the thinking process I would expect from a townie with those reads [13:42] <@marvelbabe> i think you miss YOUR thinking process [13:43] <@Pasta> i might not explain it well [13:43] <@marvelbabe> you explain it fine [13:43] <@marvelbabe> i just don't attach what you attach to it [13:43] <@marvelbabe> i'm sitting here going "meh... maaaaaybe... but eh" [13:57] <@Pasta> marv [13:58] <@Pasta> tell DrH to not get modkilled with all his posting please [13:58] <@marvelbabe> viv [13:58] <@marvelbabe> haha [13:58] <@marvelbabe> ok [13:58] <@Pasta> btw [13:58] <@Pasta> I see you're in another channel [13:58] <@Pasta> im not entering it [13:58] <@Pasta> but they can enter here [13:58] <@marvelbabe> yeah i know [13:58] <@marvelbabe> i'm less paranoid than you though [14:00] <@Pasta> btw, Oats stopped derping [14:00] <@Pasta> he became a ghost [14:00] <@Pasta> not good [14:00] <@marvelbabe> agreed [14:00] <@marvelbabe> this should be his online time [14:54] <@Pasta> Dunno why gumshoe claims he saved somebody [14:54] <@Pasta> how is he supposed to know [14:54] <@marvelbabe> mm [14:55] <@marvelbabe> dunno why he's typing anytihng about it at all [14:55] <@Pasta> well it's against the rules [14:55] <@Pasta> but it makes no difference [14:55] <@Pasta> I don't think he gets a notification if he was 1st target or just bg [14:56] <@marvelbabe> was speculating that it would be awesome if he protected someone and mafia shot gumshoe + that person [14:56] <@Pasta> well that sounds smart [14:56] <@Pasta> bodyguard role sucks tbh [14:56] <@marvelbabe> good for weak townies [14:56] <@Pasta> well I'll miss gumshoe [14:56] <@Pasta> you masoned him though [14:57] <@Pasta> iirc [14:57] <@marvelbabe> ye [14:57] <@marvelbabe> aye [14:57] <@Pasta> might wanna post [14:57] <@marvelbabe> that would take effort [14:57] <@marvelbabe> like an arse [14:57] <@marvelbabe> gumshoe would reply BELOW the quote string [14:58] <@marvelbabe> so the replies go like top-bottom-top-bottom rather than in order [15:00] <@marvelbabe> he liked s&b for mafia [15:00] <@marvelbabe> i tried to convince him on FT, i think i managed it [15:00] <@marvelbabe> he liked kholly best like me [15:01] <@Pasta> gotta look what he wanted before that nk [15:02] <@Pasta> didn't do that yet [15:02] <@Pasta> can't I get you warm for an S & B lynch [15:02] <@Pasta> we don't have triple lynch obviously [15:02] <@Pasta> I wish we had [15:02] <@Pasta> need to organize the order [15:03] <@marvelbabe> i might be ok with s&b in later days [15:03] <@marvelbabe> can't think of good reasons he's town at any rate [15:04] <@marvelbabe> given he attacked ace quite heavily recently [15:04] <@marvelbabe> i wonder how he'll respond to the redcheck [15:06] <@marvelbabe> game is too sloooooow [15:38] <@Pasta> I'm curious how FT reacts to the checlk [15:38] <@Pasta> maybe he'll only dare coming out if there's someone lending him a hand [15:38] <@Pasta> mostly a townie [15:38] <@Pasta> I'm playing with the thought of joining the wagon now [15:38] <@Pasta> in spite of all doubts [15:39] <@Pasta> but I also want to put him into a situation where he can show his alignment [15:39] <@Pasta> more clearly [15:39] <@marvelbabe> yeah [15:39] <@marvelbabe> i like wait-and-see [15:57] <@marvelbabe> huh [15:57] <@marvelbabe> that post from s&b [15:59] <@marvelbabe> hmm [15:59] <@marvelbabe> it does have precedent [16:03] <@Pasta> what [16:05] <@marvelbabe> i thought when i was reading it that he was suddenly jumping on tofu [16:05] <@marvelbabe> but his previous posts show him trending that way [16:05] <@marvelbabe> interesting that he intermingles it with doubt of ace's claim [16:06] <@marvelbabe> i wonder what that menas [16:06] <@marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=28#545 [16:06] <@marvelbabe> any thoughts about that post? [16:08] <@marvelbabe> just reading the Oats-VE PMs as well [16:09] <@marvelbabe> "Original Message From VisceraEyes: So you wasted one of your PM choices just to tell me that I'm totes scum? Well not only are you wrong, but you're an idiot for doing that. So idiotic in fact that you couldn't possibly be scum, so I guess there's that." [16:10] <@marvelbabe> I'd quite like to know exactly why Oats masoned VE [16:16] <@Pasta> He said earlier also [16:16] <@Pasta> VE and yamato can't both be scum [16:16] <@Pasta> This feels a lot like scumOats [16:17] <@Pasta> He even bit at the post I made look terrible during the night [16:17] <@Pasta> and then he's absent [16:17] <@Pasta> I'm curious to see if I can lure him out with minimal pressure [16:31] <Pizza> lost connection [16:31] <Pizza> but saved the logs this time [16:31] <Pizza> did you reply anything [16:32] <@marvelbabe> noes [16:51] <@marvelbabe> er [16:51] <Pizza> pretty much ignored him so far [16:51] <@marvelbabe> i think he's town tbh [16:51] <@marvelbabe> don't think he'd call me mafia as mafia [16:51] <Pizza> and the HOW he got to that? [16:51] <@marvelbabe> er [16:52] <@marvelbabe> no idea [16:52] <Pizza> lol [16:52] <@marvelbabe> where can i host text stuff? [16:52] <Pizza> text stuff? [16:52] <@marvelbabe> yeah [16:52] <Pizza> host? [16:52] <Pizza> or post [16:52] <@marvelbabe> how do i show you logs [16:52] <Pizza> oh [16:52] <Pizza> there are online notepads [16:52] <Pizza> or send me per pm [16:53] <@marvelbabe> how terribly non-specific [16:53] <Pizza> ok ok [16:53] <@marvelbabe> ooh [16:53] <@marvelbabe> obviously [16:53] <@marvelbabe> i'm being stupid [16:53] <@marvelbabe> PM [16:56] <@Pizza> well just his first pm [16:56] <@Pizza> looks pretty townie [16:56] <@Pizza> where he tells you u sat on your ass [16:56] <@marvelbabe> yeah i think he's town [16:56] <@marvelbabe> just cba to put up with this shit [16:56] <@marvelbabe> *his, not this [16:57] <@Pizza> lol geript doin votecounts now [16:57] <@marvelbabe> yes [16:57] <@marvelbabe> i was wondering wtf was going on there [17:00] <@marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=35#685 [17:00] <@marvelbabe> i have no idea what's going on anymore [17:00] <@marvelbabe> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=421551¤tpage=3#60 [17:03] <@Pizza> I have no idea why you trusted ace's claim in the first place [17:03] <@Pizza> but I guess it makes sense when you're so sure FT is scum [17:03] <@Pizza> So many people to lynch [17:03] <@Pizza> I'd put ace on top today [17:03] <@Pizza> with the others i mean [17:05] <@marvelbabe> i don't think ace is mafia [17:05] <@marvelbabe> i think he's a cock [17:08] <@Pizza> sigh [17:08] <@Pizza> i want my mason back [17:08] <@marvelbabe> so [17:08] <@Pizza> where the fuck is wiggles [17:09] <@marvelbabe> lol [17:09] <@marvelbabe> ye [17:09] <@marvelbabe> we just kill kholly now? [17:09] <@Pizza> likely [17:09] <@Pizza> would be my choice [17:09] <@Pizza> this ft story is interesting [17:09] <@Pizza> S & B's vote [17:09] <@Pizza> waiting for him to reply [17:09] <@Pizza> to my questions [17:10] <@Pizza> im flexible [17:10] <@marvelbabe> Ace should be shot for introducing complications into a game with a 20 post limit [17:10] <@Pizza> ace should be shot period [17:10] <@Pizza> for dicking [17:10] <@Pizza> but we're out of vigis i suppose [17:11] <@Pizza> maybe there's SK though [17:11] <@mFarvelbabe> i wish i were a 4-shot dayvigi [17:12] <@marvelbabe> maybe [17:12] <@marvelbabe> i did muse that hiro could have been an SK shot [17:12] <@marvelbabe> but then i thought SK doesn't fit with the traitor theme so much and 6 mafia + traitor + SK sounds super harsh O.o [17:13] <@Pizza> bluesnipe maybe [17:13] <@Pizza> he was quite quiet [17:14] <@Pizza> well not that it helps [17:14] <@marvelbabe> naw [17:14] <@marvelbabe> can't believe it was a bluesnipe [17:16] <@Pizza> well, it was a goof [17:16] <@Pizza> yay [17:17] <@Pizza> Man [17:17] <@Pizza> S & B is SO scummy [17:17] <@Pizza> it's his whole way of "scumhunting" that rubs me the wrong way [17:18] <@Pizza> I don't see a real drive behind his posts [17:19] <@marvelbabe> lemme find what i said to gumshoe [17:19] <@marvelbabe> "I meant the opposite with the too clean thing. I meant too clean for a townie, potentially. I read his posts and they're fine and all but that's just it, they're ok. Nothing stirs me one way or another and that's always a worrying sign because townies are usually more annoying/opinionated/whatever." [17:21] <@Pizza> precisely [17:21] <@Pizza> he's not opinionated [17:21] <@Pizza> he tries to look like he cares [17:21] <@Pizza> does what he has to do [17:22] <@Pizza> but with no passion [17:22] <@marvelbabe> it's robotic [17:22] <@marvelbabe> i know what you mean [17:22] <@Pizza> like people who marry [17:22] <@Pizza> that's how scum plays [17:22] <@marvelbabe> LOL [17:22] <@marvelbabe> that's amazing [17:30] <@Pizza> Didn't realize FT already replied [17:30] <@Pizza> reading thread helps sometimes [17:31] <@Pizza> I don't actually like that response [17:31] <@Pizza> cause FT drops everything else [17:31] <@marvelbabe> yeah [17:31] <@marvelbabe> i went back and checked earlier [17:32] <@Pizza> If he knew he was innocent [17:32] <@marvelbabe> didn't know how i felt about it [17:32] <@Pizza> could have simply stayed in thread [17:32] <@Pizza> keep scumhunting [17:32] <@marvelbabe> then he would be kicking and screaming about it right [17:32] <@Pizza> instead he drops and runs [17:32] <@Pizza> well that's enough I think [17:32] <@marvelbabe> yeah [17:32] <@Pizza> gonna vote him [17:33] <@Pizza> he announced tho [17:33] <@Pizza> I will make it a point to not waste time defending myself because ultimately, it is just my word against Ace's. If town votes me, I'm not sure what I can do to stop it. I'm going to post all my updated reads(town included this time) and y'all can make the best use of it. [17:33] <@Pizza> we're waiting on that [17:33] <@Pizza> basically [17:33] <@marvelbabe> you prefer FT to kholly? [17:33] <@Pizza> depends on the follow-up [17:34] <@Pizza> FT gives us more information tho [17:34] <@Pizza> probably wiser [17:34] <@Pizza> but ace just said he fakeclaimed lol [17:34] <@Pizza> man this game [17:35] <@marvelbabe> so [17:35] <@marvelbabe> oats has been talking to rayn in mason today [17:35] <@marvelbabe> but not in thread [17:41] <@marvelbabe> ok [17:41] <@Pizza> yeah don't worry [17:41] <@Pizza> got it [17:56] <@Pizza> oh right there's also Vayne [17:56] <@marvelbabe> yeah [17:56] <@marvelbabe> i had him as town quite early [17:56] <@Pizza> ok [17:56] <@marvelbabe> can't remember why [17:56] <@Pizza> had a similar feeling [17:56] <@Pizza> but similarly to oats [17:56] <@Pizza> he's so inactive [17:56] <@marvelbabe> i remember having a reaction to kholly's post [17:56] <@marvelbabe> thinking all these dudes look town [17:57] <@marvelbabe> and vayne was one of them [17:57] <@Pizza> should probably not judge by activity though [17:57] <@Pizza> in a mason game [17:57] <@Pizza> i wonder if FT is masoned [17:57] <@Pizza> did he claim anything yet? [17:58] <@marvelbabe> not that i remember [17:58] <@marvelbabe> fairly sure he hasn't [17:59] <@Pizza> scumpoints [18:00] <@Pizza> if he didnt mason anyone [18:00] <@marvelbabe> it would be almost unbelievable if he didn't [18:03] <@marvelbabe> viv [18:03] <@Pizza> yeah [18:04] <@marvelbabe> oki [18:05] <@marvelbabe> you think we should get FT to tell us who he's masoned with at some point? [18:05] <@marvelbabe> some logs might be nice. [18:09] <@Pizza> I don't like at all how S & B disappeared [18:09] <@marvelbabe> the perils of working for CERN [18:09] <@Pizza> wtf [18:09] <@marvelbabe> what? [18:10] <@Pizza> is he a physics dude [18:10] <@Pizza> also called physics [18:10] <@marvelbabe> yeah something like that [18:10] <@Pizza> one more reason to lynch him [18:10] <@marvelbabe> like he lives in america i think [18:10] <@marvelbabe> but he goes over to switzerland to work sometimes [18:11] <@Pizza> anyway [18:11] <@Pizza> I kinda skimmed over tofu again [18:11] <@Pizza> I think he puts himself too much out there [18:11] <@Pizza> for being scum [18:12] <@marvelbabe> meh [18:16] <Pizza_> connection problem again [18:16] <Pizza_> anyway [18:16] <Pizza_> that guy posts too much [18:16] <Pizza_> and it looks genuine [18:17] <Pizza_> he does lots of mistakes [18:17] <Pizza_> not robotic atg all [18:18] <Pizza_> We talked about his exaggerations [18:18] <Pizza_> his inconsistencies [18:18] <Pizza_> but as you said [18:18] <@Pizza_> there are people who seem to do everything right [18:19] <@Pizza_> who don't stand out [18:19] <@marvelbabe> i still think he's scum [16:09] <Viv> hi [16:09] <Viv> sent u a pm [16:09] <Viv> wiggles also gives me a feeling of meh [16:10] <Viv> but he wants to lyanch layabout [16:10] <Viv> could be a concertated bus [16:10] <Viv> but he's secondary for now [16:10] <Viv> lynching into layabout, kholly, S & B has priority imo [16:10] <Viv> since there's this connection component on sloosh I'd not lynch him first [16:10] <Viv> but layabout clearly did lots of sucmmy stuff [16:12] <@marvellosity> oh [16:12] <@marvellosity> sorry i just PMed you [16:12] <@marvellosity> yes i agree [16:13] <@marvellosity> if wiggles wants to lynch layabout that's good [16:13] <@marvellosity> i'd rather he did some concerted stuff in thread tho [16:14] <@marvellosity> kinda curious what DrH has to say now [16:14] <@marvellosity> after Ace said his check was fake I told him I preferred kholly to FT and he didn't respond yet [16:17] <Viv> kudos if he's scum [16:17] <Viv> don't think so though [16:17] <@marvellosity> me neither [16:19] <@marvellosity> so far we've lost our vigi, day-vigi and jailkeeper through collective idiocy [16:19] <@marvellosity> quite unamusing [16:19] <Viv> this day [16:20] <Viv> I cried out when I saw the jk posting his role pm [16:20] <@marvellosity> ya [16:20] <Viv> he might actually have had an influence on what happened tonight [16:20] <@marvellosity> lynch is tonight right [16:20] <Viv> yeah [16:20] <Viv> I wonder what kholly will say to the dt stuff [16:21] <Viv> i suppose he'll claim someone claimed DT to him in the pm [16:21] <Viv> but he can't reveal him [16:21] <Viv> seems like some stunt a scum chez would pull off [16:21] <@marvellosity> probably [16:21] <@marvellosity> all his posts are vom-worthy [16:21] <Viv> he likes such strats [16:21] <Viv> we wanted to fake an obs qt in LX [16:21] <@marvellosity> lol [16:21] <Viv> and simulate [16:21] <Viv> an irc infiltration [16:22] <@marvellosity> haha [16:22] <Viv> we had very different opinions on how to do it [16:22] <Viv> so we ended up not doing it [16:22] <@marvellosity> his PMs to gumshoe this game reminded me so much of LIX [16:22] <Viv> ^^# [16:23] <Viv> well, it's chez [16:23] <@marvellosity> i'm going to a play + drinking this evening [16:23] <Viv> at the end of the day [16:23] <Viv> lynch him, see what happens [16:23] <Viv> wtf is play + drinking [16:23] <@marvellosity> so you need to make sure people don't vote outside chez-layabout [16:23] <Viv> ok [16:23] <@marvellosity> er [16:23] <@marvellosity> a theatre production [16:23] <@marvellosity> then out for drinks after [16:23] <Viv> you go play? [16:23] <Viv> or watch [16:24] <@marvellosity> a show at the theatre is called a play [16:24] <Viv> ah ok [16:24] <@marvellosity> like [16:24] <@marvellosity> i think rayn's MZ vote is awful [16:24] <Viv> yeah [16:25] <@marvellosity> there's no particular reason to think MZ is mafia that i can tell [16:25] <Viv> but don't think he scum [16:25] <Viv> he'll need some persuasion [16:25] <@marvellosity> yeah [16:25] <Viv> what yamato said about MZ [16:25] <Viv> and see what he says [16:25] <@marvellosity> well [16:25] <Viv> oh it's through him [16:26] <@marvellosity> ye [16:26] <Viv> kush defended Tofu kinda [20:40] <marvellosity> brb 3 mins [20:40] <marvellosity> just going for smoke [20:40] <@viv> In chat yesterday you said you'd lynch layabout instantly if you could. Why do you pick SlOosh now that I actually found a piece of evidence about layabout that's one of the most damning pieces in my cases? [20:40] <@viv> sent this to wiggles [20:40] <@viv> before you wrote me [20:40] <@viv> i have dinner soon [20:40] <@viv> with the "family" [20:40] <@viv> :d [20:42] <@viv> Wiggles wrote this [20:42] <@viv> I feel like the case on Sloosh is strong as well. I also don't think MZ is a good lynch, and it feels like there's more support from the people I think are town for a sloosh lynch compared to a layabout lynch. I'd be alright lynching either, but I feel Sloosh is now the better choice for today's lynch. It will also give us more information based on what happened Day 1. [20:43] <@viv> btw im dumb [20:43] <@viv> JP was sharrant [20:43] <@viv> not wiggles [20:43] <marvellosity> yo [20:43] <marvellosity> yeah that's why i asked [20:44] <marvellosity> it seemed off to me but i couldn't say so in the thread without outing us [20:44] <marvellosity> because i know from your point of view sloosh isn't the #1 lynch i don't think (behind layabout or kholly) and yet after all that mason talk he's come out swinging for sloosh [20:44] <marvellosity> has he mentioned kholly at all??? [20:44] <@viv> well, check the logs i posted [20:44] <@viv> the second ones are with wig [20:44] <@viv> or the 1st [20:45] <@viv> the not-koshui [20:45] <@viv> he asks me about kholly i think [20:45] <@viv> at some point [20:46] <marvellosity> ok [20:47] <marvellosity> the thing that gets me right [20:47] <marvellosity> is that Wiggles is properly old-school [20:47] <marvellosity> so he should have a REALLY FIRM OPINION on chez. [20:47] <marvellosity> you see what i'm saying? [20:48] <@viv> yeah [20:48] <@viv> check this [20:48] <@viv> [20:45] <@Viv> heya [20:45] <Wigglwa> hey [20:46] <@Viv> so, what's up [20:46] <@Viv> what's your current view on the game [20:46] <Wigglwa> it got pretty silly pretty fast [20:46] <@Viv> lol yeah [20:46] <Wigglwa> too many people trying to troll [20:46] <@Viv> that modkill was so sad [20:46] <Wigglwa> yeah [20:46] <@Viv> hurts to turn out right like that [20:47] <Wigglwa> then we lost another town slot [20:47] <Wigglwa> and i feel vayne is town [20:47] <@Viv> me to [20:48] <@viv> wait [20:48] <@viv> sending pm [20:48] <@viv> here it's a pain [20:49] <marvellosity> haha ok [20:49] <@viv> meh [20:49] <@viv> he just seemed to knowvayne would be replaced [20:49] <@viv> that kinda hit me [20:49] <@viv> but it's probably overreacting [20:50] <marvellosity> i'm much more interested in his chez point of view to be honest. [20:50] <marvellosity> nothing to read into the replacement [20:50] <marvellosity> vayne was banned from TL [20:50] <marvellosity> so [20:50] <marvellosity> assuming he would be replaced was fair [20:50] <@viv> i saw how he was banned [20:50] <@viv> kinda harsh [20:50] <@viv> must be a repeated offense [20:51] <@viv> usually you get a warning for that first [20:52] <marvellosity> he's a repeated prick elsewhere on the forums [20:52] <@viv> that explains it then [20:52] <marvellosity> he spent about 20 posts bashing all the blue strategyt posters in the SC2 protoss help thread a few weeks ago [20:52] <marvellosity> got a ban for that [20:53] <@viv> I'm pulling chez information from wiggles atm [20:53] <@viv> he seems kinda hesitant [20:54] <@viv> doesn't seem keen at all [20:54] <@viv> to lynch chez [20:54] <marvellosity> how can he be hesitant [20:54] <@viv> but claims he would [20:54] <@viv> sent you a pm [20:54] <marvellosity> he's played with him 100 times [20:54] <marvellosity> find out why he doesn't want to lynch him [20:54] <marvellosity> ah [20:54] <marvellosity> try to find out why he's umming and ahhing [20:55] <marvellosity> ugh [20:55] <marvellosity> do you remember LIX? [20:55] <marvellosity> when bugs was really sure about Chez? [20:56] <@viv> yeah [20:56] <marvellosity> by comparison wiggles being so weak here [20:56] <marvellosity> hard to tell if it;s because he's being bad or scum or somehow just doesn't know [20:56] <marvellosity> i dunno [20:57] <@viv> brb dinner [20:58] <@viv> new pm inc [20:59] <marvellosity> ok [20:59] <marvellosity> i have dinner then also will be going out and shit [20:59] <marvellosity> i'm hoping to get online later, but that's dependent on how drunk i'll be later [21:00] <@viv> arv [21:00] <@viv> what tells me [21:00] <@viv> you simply don't want to lynch sloosh [21:00] <@viv> like [21:00] <@viv> would be nice to have your opinion on that too [21:00] <@viv> you're pulling my strings right now [21:01] <@viv> feelsbadman [21:02] <marvellosity> ? [21:02] <@viv> like [21:02] <marvellosity> i think layabout and kholly especially are much better lynches [21:02] <marvellosity> sry if i don't want to lynch everyone at once [21:02] <marvellosity> you said yourself sloosh had connections to him [21:02] <marvellosity> anyway i literally have to go [21:03] <@viv> ah well [21:03] <@viv> guess I'll try to push a chez lynch [21:03] <@viv> with that fakeclaim it's probably a safe scum hit [21:03] <@viv> HF [21:03] <marvellosity> if you're gonna start going paranoid on me btw [21:03] <marvellosity> let me know [21:03] <@viv> well, you'll notice [21:03] <@viv> lol [21:04] <marvellosity> i can't help wanting to lynch some people more than others [21:04] <marvellosity> that's just how the game work [21:04] <marvellosity> s [21:04] <marvellosity> and if you somehow believe we've had these massive conversations and i'm mafia then you're craycray [21:04] <marvellosity> toodles x [13:45] <viv_> Hey [13:45] <viv_> that pardon [13:45] <viv_> kinda makes sloosh confirmed scum [13:46] <viv_> u here [13:46] <marvellosity_> pretty much [13:46] <viv_> good [13:46] <viv_> and that also makes s & B [13:46] <viv_> pretty much surely scum [13:46] <viv_> still no logs from the two [13:47] == viv [webchat@109.114.124.224] has quit [Ping timeout] [13:47] <marvellosity_> yeh, [13:47] <viv_> btw how was your night [13:47] <viv_> do you remember anything [13:47] <marvellosity_> the show was unexpectedly hilarious [13:47] <marvellosity_> so that was good [13:47] <marvellosity_> and managed to avoid drinking too much for once [13:48] <viv_> nice [13:48] <viv_> wiggles rubs me really the wrong way now [13:48] <marvellosity_> not entirely sure if i came back and did any mafia [13:48] <marvellosity_> well [13:48] <marvellosity_> Wiggles keeps not being connected with the game [13:48] <viv_> he also tends to simply disappear from the chat, although still being in it [13:49] <viv_> at some point i end up talking with myself [13:49] <marvellosity_> lol [13:49] <marvellosity_> i'm rtying to remember what he was like when i was in a mafia team with him [13:49] <viv_> i write like 80 % of the stuff [13:49] <viv_> and he never writes stuff on his own [13:49] <viv_> he doesn't want to know shit from me [13:49] <marvellosity_> mm [13:50] <marvellosity_> the thing is right [13:50] <marvellosity_> everyone can't be scum [13:50] <marvellosity_> lol [13:50] <viv_> well [13:50] <marvellosity_> let's see [13:51] <marvellosity_> yamato/sloosh/s&b/kholly/layabout/wiggles? [13:51] <marvellosity_> adam/malongo/MZ maybe in outside spots [13:51] <marvellosity_> rofl [13:52] <marvellosity_> did you see Koshi's good cop/bad cop comment [13:52] <marvellosity_> that made me laugh [13:52] <viv_> lol [13:52] <viv_> I'm actually not that sure about kholly anymore [13:53] <viv_> would lynch him last+ [13:53] <viv_> talked with koshi about him [13:53] <marvellosity_> i've seen nothing as to why he would be town [13:53] <marvellosity_> nothing at all [13:53] <viv_> well [13:53] <viv_> His vote was shit [13:53] <viv_> the switch [13:53] <viv_> and he trolls like chez does [13:53] <viv_> but [13:54] <viv_> not that much else to say actuall [13:54] <marvellosity_> ... [13:54] <marvellosity_> right [13:54] <viv_> He's low priority compared to the others imo [13:54] <viv_> layabout s & B and sloosh [13:54] <viv_> first [13:55] <viv_> gonna see what kholly brings to the table [13:55] <viv_> in the meantime [13:55] <marvellosity_> so many people to kill [13:55] <marvellosity_> sigh [13:55] <viv_> pardoning time is over now [13:55] <marvellosity_> why didn't town just sheep me and lynch him day 1 [13:55] <marvellosity_> would have made life so much easier. [13:56] <viv_> I had to vote SlOosh d1 [13:56] <viv_> I KILLED VE MARV [13:56] <viv_> I HAVE HIS BLOOD ON MY HANDS [13:56] <marvellosity_> T.T [13:56] <marvellosity_> so do I tbf [13:56] <marvellosity_> i really thought when i went to bed that town wouldn't be so dumb to lynch him [13:56] <marvellosity_> always a mistake to underestimate a town's stupidity though. [13:58] <viv_> will probably make a case on wig tonight [13:58] <viv_> and post the logs [13:58] <marvellosity_> in case you die? [13:58] <viv_> yeah [13:58] <viv_> not posting our logs yet though [13:58] <marvellosity_> fair [13:58] <viv_> i'll leave that to you [13:59] <marvellosity_> er [13:59] <marvellosity_> you should send me the logs you didn't send me before night-end [13:59] <marvellosity_> i've not been saving them ;; [13:59] <viv_> yeah [13:59] <marvellosity_> basically been trusting you on that one [14:01] <viv_> you'll get them with pm [14:01] <viv_> what do you think of wiggles [14:01] <viv_> is it plausible he's scum? [14:02] <marvellosity_> yes [14:03] <marvellosity_> i don't find him townie [14:03] <viv_> im glad i masoned him [14:03] <marvellosity_> kush/rayn/vivax/vayne/korynne/koshi/oats/marv/DrH [14:03] <marvellosity_> are people i think are town [14:04] <viv_> idk about oats [14:04] <viv_> where the hell is he [14:04] <marvellosity_> yeah [14:04] <marvellosity_> i almost put a question mark after him [14:04] <marvellosity_> but meh [14:08] <viv_> soo [14:08] <viv_> can I has some logs [14:08] <viv_> before I die [14:08] <marvellosity_> er [14:08] <marvellosity_> yes probably [14:09] <marvellosity_> i'll put together what i have later [14:09] <viv_> where do you save the stuff [14:10] <viv_> rly [14:10] <marvellosity_> i've not saved anything that's not in PMs [14:10] <viv_> o_O [14:10] <viv_> O_o [14:10] <marvellosity_> lol [14:11] <viv_> that's not how MI6 would play marv [14:11] <viv_> you are a shame to the crown [14:11] <viv_> where's the british intel skill [14:12] <marvellosity_> eh [14:12] <marvellosity_> i rely on my memory [14:14] <viv_> well I would be grateful if you did the stuff [14:14] <viv_> I'll go study a little in the meantime [14:14] <viv_> laters! [14:14] <viv_> (I'll stay connected btw) [14:15] <marvellosity_> okies [14:15] <marvellosity_> Off to bed now, spent ages to do shit tonight. Remember kids, SlOosh, S & B, layabout, then you can start caring about everything else. | ||
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townie lynch scum + traitor shot pardon scum lynch scum lynch townie lynch Wouldn't the game have been quite lost with just the first mislynch if scum didn't shoot Hiro and ace yamato? Sick post game writeup, PM games are also much more fun and allow you to be more productive without having to post a lot in the thread. That said, this was the most enjoyable game I had in a while, thanks. | ||
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