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On July 07 2013 08:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: dear Ace, what makes xata different from Dandel, rayn, WoS, and myself? Everyone of these people "launched" a nuke. I actually didnt notice them since I haven't even read the thread | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:19 Chezinu wrote: Greetings Father, I'm am Chezinu Isunizehc. Do you remember me? I know its been a while since you have last seen me, but I am in grave need right now. I have found out there are individuals that wish my termination and rumors that they have spoken about nuking me. For your image, you must save me. If you can't save your son, what will people think? I know you hate me and think of me as a monster, but the best thing to do right now is the hide this monster in your vault. Periodically, you can allow me to speak with the people to prove that I am safe. I know a deserve worse in your eyes, but the people and I leave you know choice. Your Monster, Chezinu Isunizehc oh shit! BasedGod Chezinu da Brown! | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone who has a nuke available nuke geript. He's scum. what's in it for me | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:26 johnnywup wrote: Hey guys, first time playing mafia in a long time. What's the win condition this game? Just stay alive and nuke/lynch scum, yeah? I can't find it written anywhere but I assume that's right? follow me, I'll lead you to victory | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:30 geript wrote: Didn't read/play cruise. Explain similarities. Rayne caught pressure in CCM early on even though imo he wasn't screwing shit up. I thought he got lynched but he got vigi'd by Vivax I think. On July 07 2013 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ace, thoughts on geript/MZ/Xata and what i said? I don't see what the big deal is. You asked geript what makes you scum, when he did you countered with a response on your play in Hydra 2. Seems legit to me. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:33 johnnywup wrote: yeah not following you blindly. Though I do remember liking you from the mafia games i played a while back. also, you didn't answer my question. Win Condition is to own souls | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:31 Xatalos wrote: What? How many posts now have you wasted on OMGUS and WIFOM instead of just clarifying your stance and especially the reasons behind it? Uh... are you suggesting that I and gumshoe are scum together? And somehow making a public alliance to explain gumshoe's meta? That's pretty far-fetched. Or what do you mean? erm, there isn't much WIFOM in his posts. Re-read, they are pretty clear explanations. As for the bolded how did you get to that conclusion. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:38 Chezinu wrote: People, War.. it has started once again...Winter is coming, but it ain't going to be cold except in the hearts of men. There is a way to change what seems destine to come. Following our Great Leader Ace, will lead us to victory. Obeying my father and I will change the weather for the better! Let death not stop you and rise! Long live Ace! Chezinu Isunizehc long live Jon snow the rightful King! | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have never got lynched, vigged or any other town-killed as town, and i won't. I don't see what the big deal is. You asked geript what makes you scum, when he did you countered with a response on your play in Hydra 2. Seems legit to me. 1) You think Hydra 2 is a legit way to describe my scum-meta? 2) You think the first 20 minutes of the game (when it's clearly seen that mostly what i say are jokes) is comparable to the worst scumgame i have ever played? 3) Is the thought process valid, legit and all ok?[/QUOTE] 1 and 2.) You already know what I think about meta and its usually misused. Looking at your play in 1 game and comparing it with the first 30 minutes of posts in this game is useless. I'm assuming geript was just prodding for information. 3.) It could be a valid and legit thought process. He may honestly believe it is a good way to scum hunt I don't agree with it because it's illogical to base early game reads from a few posts on what you did in another game. Also answer my last post. | ||
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what are you replying to? the part about gumshoe? If so I would assume you suspect him since you asked me about him. On July 07 2013 08:45 Xatalos wrote: How did you arrive at "pretty clear explanations" after looking at his posts -.- I'm getting more and more confused by him. I'm still in the dark about what he was saying in that post, but the first thought that came into my mind was that I and gumshoe somehow purposefully reduced the chances of reading his meta or something. I don't know how you can be confused by him. Maybe ask him to explain what you are confused about better, since it makes sense to me. I don't know how you two can reduce the chances of people reading his meta. That sounds like an odd thing for him to do. He isn't coming across shifty. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ace, this post you mean? I don't. I think gumshoe is supertown. :D got ya. I skimmed and saw you call him supertown earlier, didn't know you were for real. | ||
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I consider Xatalos town atm by the way | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne try to make some sense if you are town. This is the fucking worst nuke of the century. RebirthOfLegend, Versatile and a few others would like to have a word with you | ||
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On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves. On July 07 2013 22:50 Xatalos wrote: Hmm.. What has made WoS worthy of your tunneling action? IMO he looks more townish than in PTP so far. Sometimes simple is the right explanation. Like we should have lynched austinmcc earlier in PTP, but then we got sidetracked :/ johnnywup and Onegu have been vague and waffly so far -> good chances of flipping scum. No need to make it too complicated with "gathering votes too fast" or something like that. I dont think JW has been waffly at all. I don't see anyone with votes on him with strong reasoning. Of the people voting him who have has legit reasoning? @Johnny: Your vote on WoS looks like a gutread. You said you felt strongly about WoS being Scum last night. Tangeng has posted also - how does he not show up more scummy than Wos to you? ***just read Wos's post being a gutread Ok jw I actually think you should look harder at Tangeng and Abenson if this is your reasoning. Also, the Chezinu situation. It seems his nuke has been glossed over, even though it appears real. He should also be getting votes right now as he knows better than to nuke someone so early on. @Chezinu: Can you actually explain why Xatalos was nuked, and why him over any other person in the thread. On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Explain the reasons why a Chezinu lynch is stupid (it may not be optimal, but stupid it isn't). Are you only going to support his lynch if Xatalos dies and flips Town? After the nuke was fired Chezinu disappeared and offered no explanation. If that nuke is real based on the mod's post then he knew what he was doing. On July 08 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote: They could both be town or both be scum launching positve nuke, xatalos has already posted he is immune to certain types of nukes, what if he gets a buff if hit with that type of nuke. The second only applies if both are scum, but if it is a straight up buff nuke why not claim it? I doubt anyone is getting buffed by nukes. He probably has protection, like something equivalent to a 1 shot bulletproof vest (Veteran) if hit by a nuke. Don't really see people getting more powers when targeted for a kill in games. @WoS: I don't think its smart to ask people to reveal who has nuking power. On July 08 2013 02:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well I'm dead and there's no obvious killer. There's and outside chance this is oatsmaster's nuke and it was redirected to me but idk how likely it is. I'm still very much an advocate of not freaking out which people have done so that's good I'm gonna do a mega list of reads on everyone who's posted so that when I flip people will have that to work off of. I'm just incredibly pissed :/ How did you come to this conclusion? On July 08 2013 02:45 strongandbig wrote: I'm pretty sure that isn't true, i think I've actually been in a game where you got mislynchef. ##swag ##tybg ##turnedup ##swag @MZ: let my scum meta flourish On July 08 2013 05:12 geript wrote: Also. Chezinu should be given a day or maybe two max. He's pretty decent as town but thrives on chaos (from both alignments); but I think his mindset is a bit more obvious when given time. Nah. If we don't get answers from him now, something will come up in the future and we won't have time to deal with it. Right now based on where I'm up to reading, this Chezinu situation along with JW's wagon and WoS are what's being talked about. We've got enough time to discuss with him before Xata flips (if he dies). @ Nirvana.Gabo: Even if Chezinu is crazy, don't you think he should give some explanation for his nuke? ##vote Chezinu | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Anybody who's ever played with Ace will give him a town read right now. I also agree that I am town. Will probably change my stance later. On July 08 2013 06:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If Ace was active and contributing and playing like most people consider "town" I'd be more suspicious of him because one of his strengths is appearing town. Right now he doesn't give a fuck and that's town Ace. If he suddenly came blasting in here and accusing people and making cases and shit that wouldn't instantly make him scum but it'd make me second guess the town play. You apparently had an off game with him, it's rather difficult for me to explain this concept to someone who's never seen it. There's a PYP game where Ace plays his typical scum game and incognito nails him on it, I don't remember exactly the name of the game but that would neatly illustrate my point. Anyway we are lynching Dandel today, I just decided. It's not that I don't give a fuck. I've been quiet my past few games due to activity issues. I also generally hold my opinions close to the vest. @MZ: I also don't see a reason for Chez to be passed over for lynching. He has given no explanation for his nuke on Xata at all. On July 08 2013 09:06 Z-BosoN wrote: You are scum, Ace is scum... we'll get to that later. Sure. @JW: TanGeng - He also hops on my bandwagon with no reasons why, at a good time for scum. He also hasn't been scumhunting...like at all. He's just saying that other people have been doing scumhunting and he agrees. No real reads out of him. Feeling scum. 3/10 I've got a similar feeling about him (with the exception to the "he hasn't been scumhunting part") , however I do think he could just not be active and following thread sentiment. Right now I'm thinking him or Abenson are good targets for lynch. Abenson is a hardcore lurker though. It also doesn't make much sense to lynch either of them until we get word from Chezinu. I also don't think a WoS lynch makes much sense at the moment. On July 08 2013 09:15 OriginalName wrote: I was leaning sub-optimal but at the time I thought there was a more powerful option in JW. As such I was trying to lead the thread towards more disscussion on that, calling Chezinu a stupid lynch was more to avoid too many tangents going at the same time and people getting distracted, I'm almost sure that Chezinu showing up to actually answer something is wishful thinking at this point, along with that he seems to imply that his nuke will implode midair and prehaps used it either a) cause a new topic of disscussion (perhaps trying to provoke a reaction out of Xatalos and others) or b) utter chaos. While in my opinion explanation A) is not nessicarily a scum move B) definitly would be. I just basically threw my hands up in the air and decided that we could probably find another target and leave Chez alone till we had more info. I tried to move towards diffusing the chaos from the nuke and move towards more leads as opposed to just tunneling Chez straight up and policy lynching him while town pats themselves on the back for the rest of the day on a job well done and getting minimal information while we sit waiting for flips. I would absolutely support the lynch of Chezinu if Xatalos dies and flips town. I was more concerned with the Chezinu lynch in that there had to be a reason for it and i just feel that outing himself like that seems horrifically out of character for him. Chezinu is absolutely insane but he is not a complete idiot at the same time. Ok got it. You were just trying to make the lynch stay focused towards the JW stuff. Where did he imply his nuke would implode in midair, I probably missed that. Also we aren't going to policy lynch Chez for the nuke itself. It's more his disappearance with no explanation after firing it. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote: @Ace What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance? Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? No. Highly doubt he has some kind of post restriction for possible gain. That would make him a target and be screwed up as either alignment. I just view him as a lurker, although willfully lurking isn't a scum tell - not popping in to comment on anything is a bad look. If he continues to be inactive he should be catching more heat soon. | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote: This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it He could just easily tell us it would implode? I know Chezinu is a troll but he could just give us one concrete answer. | ||
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Rain, Rain, Rain, come again and again, In the winter, in the summer and in spring, Come with joy, fall with happiness and go with sorrow, Rain, Rain, Rain come again and again. also dont think he is scummy. | ||
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On July 08 2013 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Then ignore the point I'm making about who he is specifically. It is obvious he is a smurf of some mafia veteran, or at least veteran enough to know of the games Geript and I have played in. I would think someone like him would know better than to expect that level of analysis (or the ability to 'ignore' the blatancy of Chez's scummy-seeming crazniess) from Onegu. Ok let me try break this down from your pov: NG has intimate knowledge of people's playstyles. More than just reading games but actually playing with us - he's a legit smurf. He expected Onegu to be able to read Chez as a troll. When Onegu fails to do so NG votes him. NG also gives an explanation as to why he thinks Onegu's thinking isn't town motivated based on geript's play in another game. This is where you think he is a smurf account. Right now is this the way it went? | ||
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On July 08 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote: He very well could be Ace. It could be I am misreading into NG's intentions, but to me it looks suspiciously like a veteran player trying to formulate a case on an 'easy' target. Why would a smurf attack Onegu in such a way when he should know that Onegu is not necessarily likely to play the way he expects him to? Can you explain what you were thinking about this and if I am wrong? I think it's 2 separate things. 1.) NG misread Onegu's capabilities and ran with it too far. This doesn't make him scum. 2.) You realize NG may be a vet smurf. When he compares Onegu's play to geript's in another game, you expect more out of him. You look back on his Onegu read and see that a veteran player probably wouldn't screw this up. My thing is NG being a vet smurf hasn't been proven to be true. Even if he/she is, the read on Onegu could be a mistake or could be totally legit. I think you're letting the possibility of it being a smurf blend too much into the read. My only issue with NG is him allowing Chezinu to get a pass, but this goes for a lot of people in the thread. | ||
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Why did you nuke Xatalos? A real answer please | ||
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His nuke is possibly harmless, and he only nuked Xata because he was retaliating. Of course he didn't read the thread and realized the nuke wasn't real because he's a troll. | ||
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On July 08 2013 22:39 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, he really needs to. In fact, if he doesn't start making sense before deadline, I might be inclined to lynch him anyway. As town, he should start giving the thread something to work with at some point (right about now would be a good time). If he keeps quiet/nonsensible until deadline, it could be a sign of him being scum and refusing town information. So far his attitude could have been just towny trolling and/or saving relevant information for the last 12 hours of D1, but now he should be stepping up his play already. I thought Chez nuked you because you nuked him (he didnt know it was fake). On July 08 2013 22:59 Z-BosoN wrote: This is a post from a while back but I feel I want to dig a little deeper. My main concern with Ace at the moment is that he defended rayn at a moment in which he was under heavy aggression. Now, if I do this as a townie, the main thing I want to do is redirect attention from rayn towards something else. But his following posts do not indicate this: clicky He's not trying to steer the thread anywhere. As town I feel that letting people pressure rayn is much more natural, for me to get a better read. It's small, but I not comfortable with calling him "probably town". What do you think? You are going way too far with this. I pointed out how rayne got in trouble in another game in a similar way. I don't see how that is a major defense to deflect attention off of him. Re-read that part of the day and rayne was being called out for what? On July 08 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote: guysss I have a 1shot anti nuke thing. so I can shoot down nukes Which nuke do I destroy!. Im currently going with the xalatos one because Chez scumread is stronger than Johnny scumread ESPECIALLY since johnny seems to be posting, I feel that I can get a more confident read on johnny later. Also chez has never ever ever explained why xalatos past CHEZINU RULE. I dont buy it. Nope. Discuss. Shoot it down already then. or save MZ. (totally forgot who nuked him as of this moment reading) @rayne: If Chez's nuke "helps" people he wouldn't have fired it in retaliation at Xata. (xata and onegu state this too) @MZ: I'm warming up to a Dandel lynch. He's been gone for a long time. @Xata: why snb? If a nuke was going to hit lets say MZ, and we couldn't come to a consensus on who to vote off, we vote MZ off since he is going to die anyway. Basically to avoid split votes and lynching people just to lynch them. On July 09 2013 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also back to basics. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu Ace's idea is terrible. Of course everyone has a scumread at the end of the day, unless they are scum. Clarify. On July 09 2013 01:42 jampidampi wrote: Is it normal for town Chezinu to not read the thread? Is it normal for town Chezinu to to use his killing powers without thinking? Or explaining? He honestly does whatever he feels like. I don't think he actually reads the thread as any alignment. Anything is possible with him. On July 09 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is Ace scum? That's like saying it's OK to vote for no-lynch without actually voting for no-lynch... No, its NOT a no lynch. If we can't come to a consensus and someone gets lynched off of a few votes we wouldn't have accomplished anything. Hence, we vote for someone already going to die. I've never advocated no lynching anyone all day, why would you assume that? | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: regardless, the pool of people scum has to kill tonight because they are pretty obviously town is getting larger. People who thought WoS might have been scum should probably drop that now. I'm thinking a town motivated WoS would nuke someone that is refusing to post. Hitting NG was the popular move based on thread sentiment that was just bs. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Except that I mentioned earlier that I'd rather not lurker lynch today since the pool was so large and I didn't know what my odds were. Why u flingin' shit, Ace? I think nuking NG was a convenient move. I'm not flinging shit. But w/e, since you are voting Dandel anyway I'm going to drop it. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote: Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far? I was talking about your comment saying I was defending rayne. Before you said it was a soft defense, now you make it seem as if I was there stopping him from getting votes. He was fine on his own. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:31 TanGeng wrote: I'm sorry. I just find Medic/Doctor claims harder to believe. It's very convenient scum claim because of how the ability works. he isn't getting lynched, he's getting nuked. Fake claiming now serves him no purpose since he is guaranteed to die. Unless he was hoping to get anti-nuked and he hasn't been begging for one. Take the claim at face value. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote: Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas. I've never advocated no lynching. Stop saying that. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that? It is not a no lynch. Read what I said again. If we can't come to a consensus - vote on the person getting nuked. Here is a question. If I'm advocating a No lynch who was I trying to save from dying? | ||
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Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: That seems pretty unlikely to me really. Ace appears to believe what he's saying; what I don't really get is why he felt so strongly about it. Lots of lurkish behavior this game and in plurality lynch people can get killed off with low vote counts. I don't want that to happen so we can do vote analysis. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. read my reply to WoS. I am pushing my own opinions btw and I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. When I say consensus, I don't mean everyone waiting to discuss stuff and sheep each other. I mean consensus via vote count so we have legit wagons to analyze. Not people dying with 3 votes on them in a 20+ player game. | ||
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Now rayne admits to nuking MZ. I think this is actually a far worse offense than the DI thing since I didn't see him with any prior suspicions on MZ. Correct me if I'm wrong here. | ||
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On July 09 2013 10:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Guys. Why would scum rayn claim a nuke that hit town? I dont know. But why ignore how ON got lynched? Taken together dont you think MZ's points + that = rayne likely scum? | ||
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There is a concerted effort to flip the lynch onto ON right before deadline once DI shows up to defend himself. ON puts up a defense also, but people say the way he claimed is scummy. Before this votes weren't moving off of him. If DI isn't scum then something scummy happened with that wagon. Ignoring ON's flip do you think it was a legit lynch? | ||
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On July 09 2013 11:02 Alakaslam wrote: Hardcore second on this Ace, and I check with you: would reading bastered be useful in the sense oats gives or a waste of my time here? Should I rather be filtersurfing NWM? I dont read other games to figure people. | ||
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On July 09 2013 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote: What. Is it more likely that town claim a nuke that didnt need to be claimed or scum claiming it? who knows??? You think rayne has town motivation for both of the things that happened today? | ||
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rayne was instrumental in turning the DI wagon into an ON lynch. We dont know if DI is scum yet, but that was a fishy last few moments before the lynch went down. ON was around defending himself. The only thing I see that was an argument against him was the way he roleclaimed. Votes weren't moving off of him either way. People really weren't listening to him, The second issue is what MZ brought up with rayne lying. These are two separate instances of rayne doing things that are not Town motivated. | ||
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rayne never moved his vote off of ON which I think paints him in a bad light. Why did you jump off and back on anyway? Also why were you never voting for DI? Your vote started on CA because you thought DI was a possible mislynch wagon and called CA fluff. If you read what Dandel posted to start the game why dont you consider him fluff too? | ||
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If I was last here before the lynch, and I come back to see DI is saved and ON lynched, where else would you expect my suspicions to go? Think about this. | ||
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Again, this is the same thing I said to geript: just because I singled out rayne doesn't mean I did not think about other people that turned the wagon around. MZ making a case on rayne just added fuel to the fire and made my read on him stronger. If you read my games and my advice in games I host I always advocate to do one thing at a time. Why would I make a case on a bunch of people at night? What exactly would I accomplish doing so? | ||
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There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote: To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:28 Xatalos wrote: Maybe you prefer to have a hard-to-read meta instead of helping town if you play town, but that's just stupid and only helps when you roll scum. "I never play pro-town" is no justification. That is not being anti-town. I just don't like confusing the thread with multiple reads. I've even given a few reads already this game when asked. Stop being a dick about my playstyle and I'm tired of people acting fucking dumb about it. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:30 geript wrote: I don't care what you've addressed where. That doesn't magically make you solve the game any faster. You have to admit to lurking. You have to admit to not pressuring many players. You have to admit to not being forthright with many (if any) reads. Right now you're just and only concerned with how the ON lynch implicates Rayn. That's fine, but you haven't done anything with it at all since last night and your position on it isn't anything more than it was last night (which wasn't that much in the first place). It's not convincing anyone if you don't do shit with it. I'm not lurking. Every time I've been around I've been active. I take a laid back approach and I'm lurking. I take a proactive approach and I;m disruptive. Which one is it? Read my filter - I've given reads. I've made it obvious many times in the past 24 hours where my suspicion lies. You were JUST discussing this with me. But fine, you stay there and be salty. We'll just do this our own way. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl Ace. So as scum i claimed a nuke i did not need to claim when i'm under zero pressure. I also swung the lynch fron DI to ON. Makes no sense from town point of view considering that i have called DI town and ON scum the whole game. Of course it does not make sense, town!rayn could have done nothing but to lynch Dandel, his town read, obviously. Also it was certainly rayn who swung the lynch, actually rayn is posting via Austin about all this stuff why ON is scum, right? So what if you're under 0 pressure? We've seen scum make plays without pressure multiple times. That isn't a legit excuse. MZ was the one who went back and caught you in a lie. You somehow knew MZ was going to catch you ahead of time and set this all up with a fakeclaim of the nuke, to then say it was a gamble all this time? right. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote: Hmm it makes some sense. If Ace and austinmcc were scum together, Ace would go for the opportunity to fling **** at a previous general townread (chaos and mistrust among town) while austinmcc would basically ignore it (wait and see -approach). I can see that being possible. It really is suspicious that he pretty much ignored the whole deal. You seriously can not be this stupid. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:38 jampidampi wrote: Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong? I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote: Explain why: 1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG 2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure 3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this. 1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu? 2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it. 3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise. Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here? | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote: So you don't know who the nuke came from after all? Wasn't it just coming from rayn a second ago? Read carefully. | ||
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On July 09 2013 21:58 jampidampi wrote: The first point is that if he had a nuke, that post would have lauched it. Forget about reasonings, look at Chez and johnny lauching their nukes. They type ##Nuke: [insert target here] and the nuke is lauched. If Rayn had a nuke, why wouldn't his post have lauched the nuke? Did you even read my post and think about it? If Rayn had a fucking nuke it would have been launched at Xata early D1! That is why couldn't have a nuke at Meapak! Why would you assume his nuke has to be activated that way? why couldn't it be a PM only nuke? | ||
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Here's my new thought process. Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this. stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this? Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction. rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here. If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum? | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:04 jampidampi wrote: Why do you go from thinking that Ray lauhced a nuke to thinking he didn't in the same post? ??? Where did I do that? The last quote doesn't mean rayne did not launch the nuke, only that he could have pm'd it. | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:10 jampidampi wrote: He has a post reasoning why the nuke is from scum: Town is not going to willy nilly claim nukes on the first day. If we all claimed we could nuke how would that tell us who nuked MZ? We can't verify anything that quickly in the game and Scum may also have nukes. That explanation is not a strong argument at all. Also we have to be aware of a fallacy here. If MZ is Town and he was nuked, and no one claims we are assuming it came from Scum. It could come from a townie who did not want to fess up. It could have come from 3rd party who isn't claiming shit. We are assuming that not claiming = Scum motivation. rayne claims it at the end of the day, and thus should be considered Town for fessing up to a legit nuke that he came up with an explanation for ahead of time. If not, he was just setting up a gambit to catch scum. That is extremely convenient wouldn't you say so? On July 09 2013 22:11 Xatalos wrote: I agree with geript's reasoning that the DI wagon went too smoothly without disagreement (only geript opposed it until austinmcc finally made his case, and DI had like 10+ votes at that point?). That means DI is probably town. If that is true, then there's literally zero reason for scum rayn to change the lynch from town to town. Even if DI were scum, you have zero reason to pursue rayn until 1) DI has flipped red and 2) you explain why rayn is more scummy for that than me or austin who were more strongly pursuing ON. It's just senseless all around. 1) I do not believe rayn has the capacity to launch a nuke. In that case, he would have surely launched it at Chezinu regardless of his alignnment (even as scum it would be stupid to launch at someone else and then claim a bit later). 2) Scum do not act rashly or carelessly, they are careful and serious. This is everything but careful and very risky for little if any gain (as scum). See the point? 3) See above. Ok I'm going to put myself in your shoes. I definitely believe that sometimes if a wagon is going too smoothly unopposed, it may be a Town lynch. So there were definitely legit pro-town motives for stopping the wagon. However, there also exists scum motives for stopping it if DI is Scum. Of course we do not know what his alignment is so both happen to coincide. Here is my disagreement with "Di is probably Town": He told us he would be lurking at the start of the game and peaced out. Right before his lynch, he shows up to defend himself, people are easily convinced and we end up lynching ON. My problem here is that ON also posted a credible defense, but votes still piled on to him. Look at the voting lists for DI vs ON. Lots of those people never even voted for DI. If DI is Scum and his buddies held off long enough then when they appear to vote ON they don't look bad for not vote switching on to an innocent lynch. They just happened to be convinced by austin's case and voted. Now back to this: if you believe that rayne is scum and DI is town then why wouldn't he help change the vote? If that is thread sentiment he still appears to be Town. If neither of his scum buddies are up for vote then why does it matter? I think you have this notion that all scum play the same way and that assumption is making you think rayne must be Town. For the last time, since I've answered this so much: I pursued rayne because of MZ's post. I'm not going to throw suspicion on several people, especially at night. That accomplishes nothing. Also stop assuming I don't have suspicions anywhere else. 1.) If you do not believe rayne has the capacity to launch nukes then what do you think of MZ's post? You must be believing rayne had this gambit setup well ahead of time then correct? If he is Scum and Chez is scum then he isn't going to launch no matter what. He could have easily felt no one would go back and read early day 1. No one except MZ went back to do so. He is rightly justified in making that play then. 2.) That is a false assumption. I don't think you can even get half the forum to agree with you on that. You are flat out wrong. | ||
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On July 09 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Because once he claimed, and there was no counterclaim, then obviously it came from scum. Ace how are you not seeing this?? If rayne is scum and the nuke was launched from his team, then the nuke came from Scum. It still does not make rayne Town. You claimed to nuke MZ out of revenge. MZ fake nuked you here: On July 07 2013 07:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##Nuke: raynpelikoneet There so are you. The nuke launched at MZ appears here: On July 07 2013 18:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED A nuke has been spotted heading towards Meapak_Ziphh. You were around and the nuke goes off 11 hours later. You couldn't have been nuking him in revenge. On July 09 2013 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can't possibly be this stupid. If the nuke was from a townie they would have CC'd me. That was another reason fopr fakeclaiming the nuke. It's sure from scum now. Why would a townie cc you on a nuke heading to MZ?? If they didn't fess up the first time you asked, then why would you think that would happen? If scum launched the nuke they can also CC you and still appear to be Town. That is the only requirement right? Your fallacy is exposed here. That's just nonsense. Even if we take it that the nuke came from scum, that does not mean YOU are not scum. | ||
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On July 09 2013 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your thought process is that i made a backup plan for a plan that i did not have to pull off in the first place. How does that make sense? Like, if i had not claimed to fire that nuke there is no lie. When i claimed i created a lie, and then i made a back up plan for the lie i purposely and unnecessarily created myself as mafia. Do you see how scummy you sound. You messed up because you couldn't react accorignly to a situation where a townie claimed a nuke your team fired, and you are scum. I will explain this more in detail tonight. Now i gotta head back to work. Rayne, this is so simple it actually hurts. If you are Town, your plan is to claim it hours later even though you got caught lying. Ok. If someone counter claims you on the nuke - how would you be able to tell they are Town or Scum? You couldn't. You're hanging on to the idea that the nuke MUST have come from the scum team, which does not absolve you of blame. You are 100% sure of this information even though it does not help your claim at all. Also, assume I am Scum. You are town. My team fires a nuke. You claim the nuke. Why the hell would I care? If MZ is Town, and you are Town then why would I not just let MZ go at it with you? You are making more logical fallacies. | ||
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If i had not claimed to fire that nuke there is no lie. When i claimed i created a lie, and then i made a back up plan for the lie i purposely and unnecessarily created myself as mafia. Explain, why am i scum based on the lie? You keep repeating this as if it explains everything. You did lie. And that the discussion after that lie led to you getting exposed. Again, you're entire defense rests on the fact that the nuke must have been from Scum. The only reason is because no one counter claimed you. Again, I keep repeating this - if anyone CCs you, you have no idea if they are Town or Scum. You are using the fact that no one claimed the nuke on MZ for over 24 hours as proof that your claim with no cc = scum nuke. If someone claimed the nuke how would your plan hold up? It couldn't. There is no way you thought as Town you thought this through. | ||
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On July 09 2013 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fact that nobody claimed the nuke in the first place (when it was shot) means it's probably from mafia. Townies need to claim when they fire a nuke (barring some very special circumstances). There is no downside (if you are town) to let the thread know the nuke is coming from you, scum already know that the nuke is coming from a townie. That's why the nuke on MZ was from mafia. Now, if someone had cc'd me, that would have been at best an 1-1 trade for mafia. I get lynched, "geez, rayn had no nuke at all, he was telling the truth, this other guy is scum" because of what i said earlier. PROBABLY. Not definitively. You are assuming it is. There is a major difference there. Also why would Town claim the nuke on MZ? You haven't been able to explain this at all. There is no precedent in this thread that establishes Townies mus claim a nuke that may have been fired in secret. Not one. That is a false assumption. Townies also know they may get nuked themselves or lynched for nuking people. That is the obvious downside to claiming the nuke. Even extrapolating this thought process one step further, even the dumbest scum would realize your theory and also claim then right? You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. As an aside this same thing happened in World At War Mafia. A secret nuke was launched. Turned out the guy(Xelin?) who did it was Town. He didn't even claim till way later. This is also wrong. Which is why I said you can't know where the nuke came from if you are Town. If the nuke comes from Town and you are also Town you'd realize that results in 2 town deaths. You're entire plan rests on the fact that no one counter claimed. You could not know that the nuke had to come from Scum if you are Town due to the possibility of a Town CC. That leaves 2 things: You fired the nuke for real at MZ, or you are Scum and know where the nuke came from. Now, if you are saying you didn't nuke MZ and you aren't scum - your entire plan relies on you not being counter claimed. If you are Town how could you take that risk and not see the crazy downfall? | ||
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First order of business is Dandel. Above all else we're getting rid of him today. ##vote Dandel Ion | ||
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On July 10 2013 11:17 Alakaslam wrote: Oh and your take on tofu's jampidampi case? It looks solid. I had my own slight scum read on jamp because when I was arguing with rayne and he jumped in I don't know how he couldn't understand what I was saying. I tried to make myself clear multiple times but he along with some others just weren't listening to logic and assumed rayne had to be Town. Multiple people had reservations about "the plan" but a few bought it with little hesitation. Now Tofu is saying I'm scum too so that means I was arguing with my scum buddy and neither of us came out with any advantages. But we'll see what he's got. | ||
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ON wagon: austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu, Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu DI wagon: Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority, strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo Nirvana is killed by a redirected nuke from WoS. If Dandel/Xig are scum, then WoS would have been bussing his own scum buddy early, and never changing his vote to a Townie lynch. WoS is most likely Town. The last set of voters to push the ON wagon include Chezinu, geript, [green]Tangeng]/green], gumshoe, johnnywup, and Onegu. Chezinu has several votes elsewhere, so for now he is inconclusive. johnnywup had 1 vote parked on WoS, and only voted for ON later. geript only voted for Alakslam outside of ON, he unvoted once then voted again for him. gumshoe appears at the end of both a Chezinu wagon and ON wagon. Onegu appears early on the Chezinu wagon and votes for ON towards the end. @Firm and Alakaslam: why did you take your vote off of ON and not put it on Dandel? You voted for Vayne twice even though he could not be getting lynched. | ||
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austin what do you think about the voting wagon for ON? you started it but a lot of people piled on into an innocent flip. You think anyone on the wagon is scum that just hopped on to your case? | ||
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Also most everyone DID NOT assume rayne's plan was legit. Go back and read that day. You are stretching the truth of what actually happened. | ||
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Really? Once again, go back and look at how we got into the no lynch thing. I NEVER said anything about no lynching. Look at who brought up that discussion when they questioned me. | ||
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Like I said earlier, that is some hasty judgement. He somehow knew rayne was pulling a plan? fine. But to say "most everyone" knew it also? Thats bs. To say I was pushing no lynch policy discussion, as if it that is a scum trait, is dumb. Especially when I wasn't. He's been reading - he KNOWS that isn't how it happened. | ||
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and then Xalatos, DI/Xig/, Onegu for now. Special moments: The ON lynch, rayne's fake claim, and the early nukes Day 1. | ||
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On July 11 2013 09:30 austinmcc wrote: Maaaaan, how come your reads aren't my read. I don't like xatalos for mafia, and I don't really think Onegu is scum, based on the roles that make sense for him to be kind of sort of dancing around having. Well I want Stutters to chime in on this too. I'm not calling Onegu scum, he was one of the guys I pointed out on the wagon earlier and I went through his filter. Lets see what Stutters comes up with. also he is a notorious lurker. better give him as much stuff to contribute while he is around. | ||
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@geript: um...trust you to do what? I trust no one. | ||
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Which would mean he stopped a nuke on his scum buddy if you believe Xat to be scum? Also we don't know if Town does not have 2 anti-nukes. Some people believe hidden nukes can come from Town. Lets wait to see what the hosts post before doing anything. | ||
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On July 11 2013 17:55 FirmTofu wrote: I would just like to say that Ace's post claiming he "received" a nuke sounds like bullshit to me. Both OriginalName and Alakaslam have provided us with very similar roles that both state that they can give out nukes but only on night 2. Ace is saying he received a nuke on night 1. I find this highly unlikely. Ace is probably lying, making me believe he is scum. Help me with this. There are 2 roles that say they can produce nukes, and you do not know if Alasklam is Town. So you extrapolate that me having a nuke before night 2 = me being scum. There is no evidence that nukes can only be produced on Night 2. Whoever gave me the nuke can own up to it and solve this. I've got 2 issues here with this; 1.) you knew this hours before this post and was active. You didn't claim this until jampi got nuked - why? 2.)Really? When did I say that? | ||
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On July 11 2013 21:18 jampidampi wrote: Well, gumshoe was gone for a long time aswell and he has done jackshit. Why wasn't he considered for nuking? because a few people threw your name around and you became a "popular" target. Like I said before it made sense to nuke a lurker. I'm also starting to think our lack of knowledge about roles has led to some faulty assumptions that have people trying to act like they are scumhunting but bullshitting. There are some conclusions being skipped that just aren't possible. people have told you they can spread radiation which would infect other targets. If you buy these people as pro-town, you should know they have potential anti-town powers. This should also logically follow that there may be Town players stealth nuking but not claiming. I also said I received a nuke but it's not determined if it came from Town/Scum/3P. Firmtofu automatically assumed I must be scum based off of two roles that can produce nukes Night 2. He does no analysis of these roles but instead assumes I'm lying about it and must be scum. There is a lot of critical thought missing here. | ||
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On July 12 2013 01:17 geript wrote: On top of that people should vote maju because he was exceptionally focused on "getting his nuke off." As town, he would've and should've been spending the first 24 hours getting a consensus town nuke target or trying to form reads to make his nuke work. Instead, he's ancy to fire it off and does so in the last few minutes. Not town motivation there especially when heats coming on him. right. He was looking for confirmation on who to nuke instead of being proactive about it. | ||
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I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game. Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. | ||
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If this is a Town player I don't know why they wouldn't claim to give me the nuke if they have a Town read on me. | ||
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On July 12 2013 02:08 FirmTofu wrote: You explicitly stated that you wanted to nuke someone before you died. If you are town, you would probably expect to die tonight. Is it not in your best interest to use your nuke before night ends? Do you plan on doing so? I missed the deadline for nuking. I didn't know we could nuke at night. If that is true I will definitely consider doing it. Too many lurkers around. | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:30 Xatalos wrote: Worst of all is that you just did it (with 100% faulty logic as your reasoning!!!) without asking anyone. Like, wtf? Can you be this anti-town as town? its not really that faulty. Unless someone can show why jamp was very likely scum with Maju. | ||
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@vayne: not for the DI lynch, but people grouping you with maju and jampi. They could easily be wrong so we'll see how this plays out. | ||
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On July 12 2013 07:20 Xatalos wrote: I also think that strongandbig is the most likely fakeclaimer among us Immune Ones at the moment. xalatos onegu snb jamp (dead) 2 of you appear on the ON lynch. If you believe snb is scum, do you believe Onegu is Town? | ||
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Xatalos: if you subscribe to the theory that scum are on the ON lynch, snb is scum, and Onegu is Town then narrow the list down. Also I'm not nuking any of the active players unless something amazing comes up. Even though Firm and Xalatos are on the ON list nuking either of them right now would be stupid. It's Mazu, a lurker, or someone else on the ON list for now. | ||
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There are three things that need to be cleared up for us to win this game. First is this list: Xatalos jampi (dead) Onegu SnB All of them claim to have the same role, but can visit targets at night while being immune to radiation iirc. I doubt radiation is a good thing. All four being town isn't possible. 4 town roles able to run around infecting people just isn't a pro-town system. Deal with this. 2 of them that are alive also were on the wrong side of both Town lynches. Xatalos looks more Town than Onegu. snb has been mia and should be pressed. The 2nd thing is the ON/DI wagon and the jampi/Maju wagon. This is a little more inconclusive until Maju flips. As sson as he flips DO NOT forget to go back and check this out for common names and bs reasons. The last thing is the lurkers. I'm certain most of the active players are town. If not we are a bit screwed barring a miracle. We cant really kill the people playing active because if they flip Town we are all fucked as the game will fall into lurkers + scum. Be VERY careful with reads on active players. Find out who is secret nuking also. Gl. | ||
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On July 13 2013 05:53 FirmTofu wrote: This is hilarious. Ace, what nuke type did you receive? Stutters, what nuke type did you send? Why has neither player bothered to inform us of either of these beforehand? I'm with Austin on this. Stutters has previous knowledge that he is not telling us. It looks like he deliberately fabricated parts of his role pm. We have a detective case on your hands, my friends. normal nuke. I read Stutters say he sent it at night iirc, but I got the PM during the middle of the day. | ||
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On July 13 2013 07:18 geript wrote: @Ace. You know that stutters said it wouldn't work... Why fire it? He's the 100% lynch. Pretty sure he said it may not work, not that it is for sure false. Assuming Stutters gave me a dud nuke and is Scum, he wouldn't have known I would aim for Maju who may also be scum. If it is a dud we just lynch Maju anyway. I think the voting should come down to SnB and Onegu now that we know jampi and Xatalos were town IO. | ||
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On July 13 2013 07:38 Stutters695 wrote: Ace your nuke is fake. Here's my real role PM. I changed it to only sometimes fake to try and get NK'd to stop it but I got a PM saying it got raided and destroyed so no need for that anymore. You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. ??? I got an actual PM saying I got the nuke. How could it have gotten destroyed? I never got that PM. | ||
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Where did you see him say that? He hid it in his filter? | ||
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On July 13 2013 07:50 Stutters695 wrote: Your "nuke" didn't get destroyed. My factory did when the day post came up. ok got it. The nuke you gave me earlier is fake, and during the night your factory got destroyed. Vote for Maju, and tell us anything else on your mind. Tofu and Xata both left information towards the end. Let me know what you think about them. | ||
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On July 13 2013 07:55 geript wrote: Xat "got" a nuke... But then didn't. FT had like 3+ posts saying to trust Xat... 1+1=2 FT's nukes finish Night 2. How could Xat receive it and lose it the very same night? | ||
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When was the first hidden nuke launched? what page? | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:37 austinmcc wrote: I think that PM is fake. If the missile defense folks are people, not places, I'd be more convinced. we're going to get to the bottom of this. especially when stutters comes back. But your filter revealed something surprising. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:36 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so lets roll through this finally, just some food for thought. On the ON lynch we have rayn, Xat, and Tang who flipped town. We also have Dandel/xig which flipped scum. To switch the lynch, which is between Chezinu and dandel (which was a scum or scum lynch btw) austin comes in and drops a case on ON as things are looking dire. Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself. After a few more town like rayn are on aboard, a firestorm of votes begins. Now that we know who is town in those votes... First voter - Austin = scum. second voter - Chezinu = scum. third voter - Rayn = town. fourth voter - dandel = scum. fifth voter - Xat = town. sixth voter - FirmTofu = town. now where it gets interesting. Alaskazam votes for it then immediately goes back to a useless lynch, realizing that they don't need his vote and he does not want to be associated with this lynch. Alaskazam = scum. The remaining = Geript, ghost(Koshi), Gumshoe, Johnnywup, Onegu Most of the scum have got to be here -_- doubt its the ones towards the end because there's no reason to vote onto a mislynch after its already secured. Obviously I am wrong on some of these reads but lets really look into their motives here... First 2 voters on the wagon being scum may be legit. Chezinu has been afk for a long time since his day 1 nuke. Haven't looked at where he was on other wagons. I'm leaning austin scum right now since he seems to have prior knowledge to how things work + prior suspicions before the Day post. When stutters comes back it may be easier to get to this, since he seems sure stutters is lying about his role PM. Alasklam being scum here is interesting but the theory is a little flawed. If he is scum, then hopping off the wagon when it's a secured lynch looks far worse for him if he is thinking about appearances. He would have to have confidence that no one would catch this until later. Based on the way he posts I doubt that. gumshoe and Onegu are far more suspect here. | ||
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On July 13 2013 08:43 austinmcc wrote: Are you going down a "you mentioned there might be hidden nukes before nukes got launched" road? yes. you did indeed have knowledge of hidden nukes then yes? | ||
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also no one has claimed to have a nuke today. maybe anonymous nuker will act at some point. | ||
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So I went back to see how things got screwed up. Hosts invalidated my action because I spelled MajuGarzett's name wrong in the original nuke post. | ||
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On July 14 2013 13:42 VayneAuthority wrote: You are a Toy Store! You don't actually make real nukes but you're pretty good at making them look real. Once per cycle, you may choose a nuke type and a player. That player will be told he received a nuke of that kind. you guys are forgetting stutters claim. This completely contradicts that claim. One of Ace or Stutters is scum or both. If the nuke is actually real then Stutters lied. We'll see when it lands. Look back at the explanation I was asking for when I first fired the nuke and he brought up being sabotaged. | ||
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austin why did you wait this long to tell the truth about targeting Stutters? You read the interaction between me and him when we were both confused about why the nuke never went off. You could have said something right? | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not, really. You're not reading the case properly. Regardless on MG's flip Geript is trying to force us to waste our time. Someone said they asked Artanis whether it would show if the nuke lands if we lynch MG and apparently it DOESN'T. This means that Geript will have wasted our time again and we will learn absolutely nothing about Stutters' role if he has is way and we lynch MG. this is based on the jampi nuke situation? (speed reading here) | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:53 austinmcc wrote: I was waiting to see if a silent nuke got launched today. Possibility of that ended 7ish hours ago. The early confusion was you hearing that stutters's factory got raided, and so thinking your nuke had been destroyed. But seeing as you appear to have still had a nuke...I figured you could sort that one out. I did sort it out I was saying why you didn't just fess up, but if you think Stutters was silent nuking then sure. If a silent nuke did get launched how would that have incriminated him though? Like what was your plan of action? | ||
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On July 15 2013 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Stutters was telling the truth about what? According to Vayne if he was telling the truth you should never have even been able to launch a nuke. ??? I thought the nuke not killing Maju was the test for whether it was fake or not. Are we sure the actual launch is the test? | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:05 WaveofShadow wrote: ...What? The nuke hasn't landed yet. Ace what are you talking about? I fired it 12 hours ago | ||
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1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard. 2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters. The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. | ||
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Onegu/SNB; Again, 4 people claimed IO. 2 of them have died and flip Town. If you believe all 4 of them are town and can spread radiation then say so. If not, then one of SNB/Onegu must be scum. If the nuke on Maju lands and is not real, we lynch him tomorrow. If it lands and is real he dies, and we lynch Stutters for lying. It makes no sense voting for him right now. | ||
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You want us to lynch a lurker? | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:37 Stutters695 wrote: I'll dive Onegu/SnB real quick when I get a chance at work. If we aren't doing Austin I can dig that. Ace just to confirm you only received 1 nuke d2 right? right | ||
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@Wos: keep your sanity. Which path do you want to go down? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote: Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote: Let me try and put things in order here. 1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard. 2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters. The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote: Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote: I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Ace. Triple-cop-claim-caper. I'm not gaming a closed setup like this. 3 cops with sanity issues versus 4 roles that can spread radiation? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:25 johnnywup wrote: I'm sorry Ace but what? There's not enough evidence on Austin but there IS enough evidence on SnB? Yes it's unlikely theres 4 IOs but it's possible and he's pretty lurky but is that really evidence that he's scum? I don't really think so. He may very well be scum but that's hardly enough to say so certainly that he is. austin has answered everything thrown at him hasn't he? Do any if his explanations seem off? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:26 WaveofShadow wrote: We don't even know what the radiation DOES, do we? It's fucking radiation. You think its gonna turn us into X-men? | ||
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@jwup: More Town than snb. I don't have him as a definite town read. | ||
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I think 3 people claimed IO before he did. He was the last claimer wasn't he? geript if you can show me a very strong argument that austin is scummier than SNB I'm all for it. Remember in my post I said we can go either way, but Onegu/SNB is simpler to solve. If it's possible that austin flipping scum answers questions about a bunch of other people I'm down for the discussion. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:44 Z-BosoN wrote: So why would a Scum Fake-claiming SnB casually go ahead and claim a role that has been claimed 3 times? Wouldn't that be stupid as hell? Why not make a smarter claim with fewer known roles? because he has no idea what other roles exist. We are allowed to post PMs and from what we've seen we don't have "normal" roles. The only one flipped is Medic and he can't fake claim that. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:45 johnnywup wrote: Ace what the fuck? Push SnB as hard as possible then 15 minutes before deadline "maybe gumshoe could work"? I know his ninja vote is scummy as hell but that was like a complete 180. ??? I was asking how a gumshoe vote would get us anywhere. gumshoe comes out of nowhere and votes for Snb, the guy I'm pushing. He hasn't said a word in hours. What do you think I'm going to do here? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:48 Z-BosoN wrote: lolololol adios gumshoe ##vote gumshoe @ace It moves us forward in the normal sense that -> we will have info regarding MG's nuke you sent. -> Austin will have to bullshit for a couple more days if he's scum. -> we won't have to deal with a lurker ninja-voting and not giving a fuck I don't see how a gumshoe flip accomplishes anything with the MG nuke. Explain? I have the MG nuke telling us about Stutters. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:50 geript wrote: Can you explain. My brain is pretty fried since I haven't eaten since 8am. I'm not getting the implication. If the nuke is real and kills MG, Stutters lied. He is Scum. If it doesn't kill MG, Stutters was telling the truth and is more than likely Town. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:01 geript wrote: Ace Austin Stutters Maju ???? explain this very well. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:06 geript wrote: You explain why you didn't auto launch the nuke last night when it was fucking obvious to. Explain why you're even fucking alive when a complete newbie in FirmTofu isn't. Explain why when you've been given a "nuke" that scum has no interest in killing you. Explain how you didn't see the Stutters not pushing maju if the nuke is fake thing? I left the forum. Before I left I'm pretty sure I said lets discuss this. I can't explain why I'm alive. If that's a scum tell just vote me into the Mafia Awards thread right now. As for Stutters I already outlined the scenario regarding him. Not noticing Stutters isn't pushing him implicates me how? That's ridiculous. You should be commenting that we went from an austin lynch, to an snb lynch, to a gumshoe lynch. But no, you immediately flip to I must be Scum with 3 other people. | ||
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On July 16 2013 08:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I say let the nuke fall. I feel like this is some sort of elaborate bus. | ||
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"Ace getting killed because he has a nuke" makes no sense. Scum wouldn't know who I would target. | ||
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On July 18 2013 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai Ace, welcome to the game. Thoughts on my post about the nukes? Chez or geript should be saved | ||
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ETA: Also from now on, now you know one of the reasons I try not to post too many reads. I've been saying for years people sheep vets even though we can be wrong. Read some games where one popular guy says "I think X is obvious Town" and watch him/her get treated as confirmed Town by most of the players. | ||
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