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On August 01 2013 04:09 Umasi wrote: oh this is a good moment to mention, I totally forgot early game guys no lynching is retarded, the only weapon we have is our vote t.t so voting to no lynch is squandering your vote, and I'll happily switch votes to prevent a no lynch Why? Doesn't it make sense to try to get a solid read first? Otherwise odds are we are just killing off our own? | ||
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On August 01 2013 09:44 Nightcat99 wrote: RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M also do not want to lynch someone day one, what is the reason that you single infil out? I would also like to talk about lynch every day, the reason we lynch every day is because this is the only method we have to force everyone to take a stand, and by taking this stand and backing them up with your words is the only way we can get reads to find the scum. If we dont lynch anyone day one , then some one is going to die night one and the only information we will get, is well scum kills people. I dont think rep is a scum because i know that scum has a private forum with scum friends and a scum coach... if he is scum, someone would have stopped him by now..... However, i am watching infil RDaneelOlivaw and sc_a.M, i feel that atleast one of them or even two of them can be scummy, there is no reason for the scum team to agree to all voice their opinion on a no lynch but they would definitely jump onto that opportunity. Ah, thanks for clarifying | ||
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On August 01 2013 10:38 Alakaslam wrote: Humph. Well if reps flips red I will be cool. If he flips green, know this: I have stated earlier that my own train of thought looked just like reps if not worse first game. It was because I 100% wanted to survive, rather than hunt scum- because I was tracker, and felt that tracking night actions would make me better prepared to successfully scumhunt. See this; it hasn't happened yet, but I already feel that if reps flips green holy flare and deus x machina look scummier. Why? Simple. Reps has given inclination toward being an ideal scum mislynch target. That being said he hasn't helped things one bit. But I still fosftp for future reference, and yet here is my vote as I agree, we need to lynch. I am fully aware that I will look scummy right with them if he flips town, because I'll look all knowing and distancing myself from mislynch. I am aware of this fact and still post it. So shouldn't affect your votes! votes reps I disagree. Deus and Holy really stuck themselves out there against him, seems like a foolish play if they are mafia. No reason for them to throw themselves at him so persistently if they are mafia, especially with this much time left in the vote. | ||
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On August 01 2013 10:54 Umasi wrote: Rdaneel, if he flips scum none of this matters but if reps flips town, and we're all just like "well they went balls out to get him lynched so they can't be scum" and they're ACTUALLY SCUM, what did they lose? You don't get towncred for pushing a mislynch on a townie. Likewise though, they aren't condemned because of it. You need more than a single key point to say "this guy IS scum because of THIS action" or "this guy IS town because of THIS action". Look at their motivations for doing something, that's equally important as what actually occurs. True, good point. | ||
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On August 02 2013 06:21 Umasi wrote: On another note, scam and daneel, you should start posting, pretty much self explanatory WHY you should start posting. Just in response to this, I work 800-500 every day, I'm not going to be posting between midnight and 530 pm. I'm about to go back through the thread, be back soon.... | ||
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On July 31 2013 10:24 Nightcat99 wrote: Hello everyone i am the newbie nightcat reporting in for duty. + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2013 14:26 Nightcat99 wrote: I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him. With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified. I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it | ||
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On August 02 2013 08:36 StiMaDDict wrote: Noncommittal much? Captatin obvious much? So who exactly do you think is the scum? I think Gotard is scum. I think Deus is scum because of his early aggression to try to make I think alaks is on the fence, not sure what to think of him yet. I'd like to hear you elaborate on your thoughts a bit. We haven't seen a ton of substance from you yet (oh yes I'm totally a hypocrite ) You've had a lot of "I'll elaborate later posts", so flesh out your thoughts | ||
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On August 02 2013 08:42 Umasi wrote: that's not thought through too well. You, daneel, are posting (I think) because we pressured you to post, so there's no reason to not pressure scam for not posting. because we want him to post. If you ignore a lurker, and don't vote a lurker, why on earth would they not keep on lurking? You'd have to hope it was just a scum not talking. But what if it's just another lazy town? I'm posting because I got home from work again :p. See my post earlier :p I agree we should pressure him a bit, but I don't think its a good idea to be spending our second lynch on him. Someone said earlier in the thread (you I think)? That you can't get a good read either way on the player if they don't post. So we'd be basically taking a complete shot in the dark. If we are wrong, I think we are in pretty serious trouble (maybe I'm wrong, haven't played this before...) with 3 mafia left, and what, 4 townies and one of the neutrals? I think we would be better off trying to identify more likely mafia that we have reasons for suspecting and trying to nail them down. If we make a strong lynch push for scam what are we going to learn | ||
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On August 02 2013 08:49 Alakaslam wrote: And in context of what I have been reading this implicates you STRONGLY. Why are you defending someone who voted no lynch?!? And who still has a sub 3 page filter for certain? Hmmm. I didn't see that he voted no-lynch....that's definitely suspicious. Why the fuck would he throw himself out there like that though? Given that he doesn't seem to care enough to play the game, it could very well be a total newbie mistake. We had 4-5 people wondering why to lynch day 1 earlier. Even if he is mafia, it's a totally boneheaded move. Like I said about Umasi's withdrawal before, its a bad move for either townie or mafia. | ||
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You make a good point about not really needing to read the thread though. Interesting | ||
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On August 02 2013 09:12 Umasi wrote: I don't know why someone WOULD like infii, and would happily accept an explanation. Stim can't, apparently, idk why. and even thne, he spends a lot of that post talking about the implications of reps flipping town, and at the end says that he's anti scam and stim. Why is he anti stim? Why wasn't he anti Daneel? Slam, he blatantly says that he won't post analysis on day one because there is not enough information to go on. (this is accepted to be untrue.) He also spends most of the time in that quote defending himself against a single vote (I think it was just gotard at the time. if reps was on him at the time, doesn't really count as pressure :<) I think in the context of that post its because I was on a posting spree a few hours before. The thread would have had quite a few of posts from me and almost none from Stim. go ahead and look back, that was just a couple of hours after I really started playing last night | ||
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On August 02 2013 09:21 StiMaDDict wrote: @RDO: Two times I said I will elaborate is first on infi, which I stated that I dropped my suspicion on him completely, and on my case on you upon request, which I never did get. Your case against me was that my posts were kind of waffling then, which is true, and not something that really needed to be pointed out Other than that though, I'd like to see to take a real stand | ||
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On August 02 2013 09:24 Alakaslam wrote: This is only half true. But keep it up RDO, you walk a fine line. :O such high praise :p | ||
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I'm concerned a little about Stim still. I haven't seen an in-depth post from him, he's mostly just one liners, and nobody has called him out on it at all. I understand why you've looked at some of my posts, since most of them were pretty reactionary, but why has he gotten so little attention? | ||
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On August 01 2013 10:14 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Seems really suspicious to me that DeusX keeps trying to nail squishy. Umasi and Alak, why did you withdraw your votes for him? Did I miss something earlier in the thread? As I mentioned, found Deus suspicious---obviously two of you had as well, and I wondered why you had withdrawn since I couldn't see a reason immediately. Also, again with the suspicison of him trying to nail reps On August 01 2013 10:27 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I take back what I said earlier about Deus...just found that awesome filter tool. Reps does look shady as hell...he has an excuse for everything, and that whole newbie act at the beginning was pretty fishy...I agree with Deus anyway at this point. At some point we're going to have to deal with him anyway, right now he is just muddying the waters. Here is where I filtered and saw what reps had posted..basically about how much he had read and then all the sketchy signs he was giving off initially. See here: On July 31 2013 07:59 reps)squishy wrote: So I have read a few TL Mafia games to try to get a grasp of the game. People love lynching people who don't post. What do you guys think of non-posters? Should we lynch them and hang them in the entrance of the town to let them all see that scums are not allowed here? On July 31 2013 15:00 reps)squishy wrote: I am Hapless Peon (Vanilla Townie) what you claimed to be http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=262&topic_id=422313 All trying to play up his newbiness despite his claims that he's read through all these threads. Just didn't add up to me, which is why I switched to him | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii This seems like a pretty scummy thing to do so early in the game--stir up the game and try to get someone mislynched as fast as possible. The justification for the vote that he has been able to give was weak at best Not only that, but in that very same post he tried to implicate reps Here is a defense he offers for his vote... + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2013 03:00 Gotard wrote: Look at his 1st post. This is a useless list. Almost everyone is neutral. His argumentation is super weak. Zero quotes. Nothing. If you think someone is scummy put some effort into it. Posting like that is an easy way to fake some contribution which is scumy. Because it doesn't make much sense to lynch people randomly... Do you really expect that you will be 100% sure that someone is mafia before lynching that person? It could be valid, but I'm more inclined to think that he just picked a person who he could feasibly pin some blame on and ran with it. Not only that, he kept with the infinii shtick a long time, which leads me to believe that he was playing to set him up as a possible second lynching target. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:02 Umasi wrote: That type of post is the kind of thing that makes me want to lynch you. Specifically, that you were around to be innocent/clear innocence compared to discussing with others and trying to figure the game out I was mostly referrning to the fact that there was a specific question about me within the last page or two. I'm all for figuring it out, as you can see in my above post with regards to gotard, but since questions of my gameplay are ones only I can answer they are important to ask now before I get off for an extended period. I'm glad to help solve the puzzle, but we can all do that as a town. Only I can explain why I said what I did, as I am doing now | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:05 Umasi wrote: feel free to elaborate. Is this directed toward holy or me? | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:08 Umasi wrote: It was directed at holyflare, but you can talk too :3 I don't really have a ton more to say other than to direct you towards my posts answering Slam a page ago and my preliminary investigation of gotard. As I state there, I think he is someone who hasn't gotten enough discussion for the way he pressured infinii so early and then kind of fell off as a prescence once it failed to stick. I agree with umasi though gotard did have some good points, even if he went about it badly. I'd really like to know why stim and slam are so convinced infinii is town. If there is a good reason for it I think that further cements gotard as a suspect. Really I think thats one of the key pieces we need to begin unraveling...given the neutral posting of infinii and the strange aggression of gotard one of them is almost certain to be scummy...I'm inclined to gotard, but either way theret is just a scummy taint to their exchange imo. Sorry, this is kind of rambling. Summary, since it kind of rambled: Gotard or infinii is scummy I think its gotard, as I elaborated on above and in previous post We need to hear more about why slam and stim trust infinii We then need to discuss and act on one of them. In my opinion it's one of our most solid reads that 1 of those 2 is scummy, we just need to determine which | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:13 Gotard wrote: It sounds like to hazard to me. You can never be sure if someone doesn't have free time, doesn't feel like reading thread/filters or anything else but if you will find something interesting, who knows? On August 02 2013 16:37 Gotard wrote: RDO's spike is activity after the 1st is super weird. Why did he wait so long to go on me when he could do that way later and instead he decided to lurk hard? It would be way more beneficial for town to accuse me before day ended because It would give us another lynch candidate and there would much more discussion going and voting patter would be more interesting to look at. All he did day one was lurking and sheeping Reps. I think he's trying to cover his sheeping and look more pro town. Yeah, Engish isn't my native language and I make a lot of various mistakes These two posts smack of inconsistency to me I understand the suspicion over my spike in activity after day 1. I can't deny that it's reasonable to wonder. That being said, the fact that he was calling for leniency for lurker prior and is not trying to leap on me for doing it makes it seem to me that he is looking for an excuse to target one of the weaker players. This is consistent with his earlier outright assault on infii. In both cases, infii and now I had a play (me day 1 lurking, infii that bad post) that was sufficiently suspicious, which he has leapt on...yet he stayed out of the reps case and has been pretty careful to avoid accusing other players as well...just smells scummy to me. He and Usami are pretty clearly playing the same game. Just ctrl+f through his posts, he spends all kind of time talking about, defending, and agreeing with Usami. He does have potential to alleviate my suspicions with his post on his thoughts on Usami that is apparently forthcoming. I look forward to good things. Usami is making a strong case to go after scam, so I doubt both of them are mafia. Obviously stupid to lynch your own. Given my suspicions about Usami and Gotard, that makes me think scam is either neutral or just afk townie. From infinii-- He voted second on reps, which is pretty early, with no real evidence at hand. After it was clear that reps will get lynched he unvoted reps with the following reasoning: On August 02 2013 03:44 Umasi wrote: Show nested quote + Show nested quote + That specific line helps a lot. I want you to scum hunt reps, don't go back on your word here. Just because you're off my personal chopping block (dunno about everyone elses) doesn't mean you can go goof around again. This entire push feels wrong, because the tone of your typing feels like you're legitimately trying, and legitimately confused. You've been a detriment to town, but if we can work through that, it may turn out better in the end, and I don't want to lynch you anymore. I'd rather just lynch the scummiest, and you are no longer the scummiest. I am going out to lunch in fifteen ish minutes, going to reread and decide who to vote on. I don't think reps is our lynch. That said, I do want to see a lynch through though. ##UNVOTE REPS "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." That was reason enough to let his suspicion fall after discussing about him for almost half of day1? Really Looks even more suspicious in light of this quote from Usami so voting to no lynch is squandering your vote, and I'll happily switch votes to prevent a no lynch I think this is really a critical point, we've really let Usami off the hook for this. The reasoning for this is super weak from a champion of always-lynch. There was a lot of discussion I saw surrounding the fact that reps was ultimately a harm whether or not he was town, which was supported by Usami who said On August 01 2013 08:49 Umasi wrote: reps, you ARE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE you have preformed jack. there are LOTS of good reasons for voting you. There's nothing stopping you from ignoring everyone and going and independently building cases on people and posting them, because I think we can all look past the "who posted it" to the "jesus this is scummy as crap" when you just sit here and whine about people voting you, that's not a compelling reason to switch off. He IS correct in thinking that you're hurting us if you're not scum. You are hurting town if you are not scum. (this implies that if you're scum, you're helping town by being an obvious target) The way to be interpreted as a townie is to be townie, not to be like "why don't people believe me :<<<<" because scum can say EXACTLY what you're saying. Nothing about what you've done actually helps us read you as town, we just have to wifom ourselves into thinking you're town. But if you just look at everything objectively, you're scum. And yet that one line, that one line about how he could be helpful was enough to sway him. I think his main goal in this was obviously to start a counterpush away from reps. In that case, reps) would have been a pretty weak player (easy pickings whenever) who likely would believe firmly that Usami is town. Eliminating someone else like infii would have far more beneficial for mafia- given all the discussion on reps anyone else would have been a shot in the dark-, which is why I really think this a scummy move. Cliffnotes again: Gotard scum for not being logically consistent with his views on lurking- I acknowledge, not the strongest tell but it builds on the points I illustrated in previous posts- also, he is playing game with Usami Usami scum- partially because he is playing iwth gotard who i think scummy. Partially because of that switch which was a strong anti-town move (yes, I am changing my position on this--I said earlier that it should be more or less null, but upon further reflection I don't see real benefits for the town in it--its scummy). | ||
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No, there aren't a ton of questions for you to answer from my post. Most of my post with regards to you was focused on building upon infinii's case against you in a couple of areas with quotes, theories, or voicing agreement on it. If you can refute what he says, go ahead. If you have solid reasons that can go a long way to dispelling my doubts about you. Your explanations haven't been convincing as of yet I still think you haven't reconciled the statement I quoted from you about switching votes and the actual switch, but I don't think you can. | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:10 Umasi wrote: ~I have explained myself for the vote swap, and that's what people hate. Me and gotard being similarly suspicious of infii isn't weird, people who think that infii was town are weird, because he was scummy (not anymore) also, if reps were an easy mislynch to push, why would I immediately target deus? Wouldn't it be more logical to keep pushing reps? Because that was early enough it wasn't "concrete" that reps was gonna get lynched. It's not just similar suspicion. He's defended you repeatedly, and part of his self-stated reasoning for going after infinii was a scum read on you. That, and the fact that you both tag-teamed infinii and then me...could be coincidence of course, but bearrs watching Yes, you have provided explainations for the vote swap but they were satisfactory to me. I'm not looking to bury you, I want to win this game, and right now that looks suspicious to me. You seem the scummiest to me, which is why I'm throwing these statements out there. The reps move would be good for you either way. Either he lives and owes his life to you, which gives him a charitable view of you (and you likely off someone who is more of a threat), or he dies and flips town One of the strangest parts of the move is it is basically suicidal if you are town. If he dies and flips town like he did, ok. But if he flips mafia, you're probably fucked. As town, it wouldn't make sense to take that chance, since you couldn't possibly know from the wild signs he was throwing about. If you're mafia though, and you know his role, the move becomes much more appealing. If you want to talk more about your vote, thats fine. I think you've already done a lot of defending. Go ahead and respond as you will, this post is more for the benefit of the rest of the town. It's important we carefully evaluate your vote Again though, I'm not unwilling to listen, which is the impression you seem to have gotten from my prior post. I find things about you fishy. You can't convince me that the vote was not very strange, Ok. Guess what, I find things about alaksam fishy too, but his overall pro-town play means I have a solid town read on him. So at least for me, and my thoughts, I wouldn't be so worried with answering them as playing a strong pro-town game so I can feel more confident in you | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:34 Alakaslam wrote: Also H o l y - f l a r e, this just hit me Scum nk HolyFlare How likely because he is right? He had already let slip who he thought was scummy And then he is nk Gotard Umasi and nightcat received as much at night Meh, I question that a little bit...and I've already gone on about Gotard and Usami Yes, that's one possible interpretation. Could also be an attempt to completely throw us off the scent by killing someone mostly wrong...I don't know if that's really part of the meta here, but it definitely seems like a solid play if you think you can keep the attention focused away from your team if you are scum. Maybe thats just a newb take on it, but it's my 2 cents. | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:37 DeusXmachina wrote: One thing that throws me for a loop about Umasi. In my opinion changing his vote on reps last minute is not a scummy thing to do. Why would a scum want to switch their vote on reps and risk taking a no lynch. It was a small victory for them getting reps out of the way, one townie down. Also he has come under a lot of attention because of that vote switch. Again, that does not seem scummy. That is why it is so hard for me to get a good read on Umasi. I still think he is suspicious, and like I said before, I will elaborate on that later tonight. Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi. Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts? That's part of it for sure...I also was busy with work, and this is my first game, so I'm just getting into it. I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge. I acknowledge that it can be taken different ways. We'll see what Umasi does tonight and if he can win me over | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote: Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of. Huh? I've been posting a fair amount the past couple of nights, all outside of my work schedule? I'm confused tt | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:51 DeusXmachina wrote: If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right? He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum? There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:53 DeusXmachina wrote: RDO why did you hang back for the first part of day 1? You only started being active when we got close to lynching reps and suspicion was floating your way. Why is that? I decided to actually play the game. Yeah, I can see where its suspicious from your point of view. Once I actually made a couple posts defending myself and started reading the thread more closely I got hooked in | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:54 Alakaslam wrote: NO, SHUT UP FOR A SECOND. Read the quote. Fair point | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:44 Umasi wrote: assume we're a scum team together, what would we get out of tag teaming like you said we did? Is there any reason we would build such a strong connection? (yeah, it's wifom, the thoughts not even occuring to you, and since I brought up you should just ignore it I guess.) (btw, the town motivation for no lynching instead of mis lynching is the fact that we don't kill a townie.) I'm not out to get you. Also, not so stupid as you seem to think friend I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands. It's a more subtle tag-team, possibly even unintentionally backing up someone who you know to be your teammate (assuming you are mafia, which obviously is still to be decided) I got a lot of heat for just defending myself, and now I begin to see why. There's a lot coming your way to answer for, so you are busy, but I'd like to see some of your theories come out more too to steer the discussion down other avenues that might benefit the town | ||
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On August 03 2013 09:59 DeusXmachina wrote: ? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote? Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely). Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:05 Alakaslam wrote: You are distracting! This had better be settled. How do you not think a found scum is 100% most important thing? I tell you, Umasi's actions do not fit with his defenses! I think he is scum right now, for sure. But he should at least be trying to formulate countertheories. If they are shittier than mine we know for sure he is scum, if they aren't bad we may have gained something, even if he is scum. Not trying to totally shift the attention from him, but it doesn't seem like a good way to spend the day if we keep circle-jerking over Umasi's guilt either | ||
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##Vote Umasi I think you're scum. Give me reason to think otherwise | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:22 DeusXmachina wrote: A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be). My point is its a bad town play if he wants to actually survive, which is a valid consideration. If he were town, it would be stupid. If he is not stupid, which I think we can accept at this point as fact, then it's probably not a play he makes if he is town. That is my point. Thats obviously not my only reason for suspecting him anyway.. | ||
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My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating , I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do Anyway, more to come | ||
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On August 04 2013 04:35 Alakaslam wrote: Well, that is a textbook case of WIFOM. See what if they know this and post that to discourage the theory. Still, check again all u want. True. More important if he sticks with it if pressure continues to mount on umasi | ||
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From pressing you hard to "trust him hes town I swear" If you two were working together I want to hear the explanation behind that play. I've been inclined to think you 2 are masons but that play is one of the things holding me back | ||
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At any rate, I think it's more productive to chase players right now, not lurkers | ||
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Would you mind cutting down on the random stuff in your posts slam? Makes it harder to go through the thread yo. You're a solid town read and its just your style, but burying the thread in fluff helps the scum anyway by diluting the useful info My reads thus far Slam- town - Stim and infii -town- I'm accepting the mason act for now, still a little suspicious of that early behavior from stim but w/e - infii seems like a lock to me, so stim by extension Zyree- mild town read off of him, but now he's stopped posting...I'll give him a little more time but thats scummy if it continues nightcat-not a lot of great posts, but he does seem to be trying to build a pro-town atmosphere. Good enough for me atm scam- god knows what he is. May he rot in a particularly scummy mafia hell Umasi- scum by extension--more suspicious of him because of Gotard and Deus- still just have a scummy feel from him Gotard- scum- my reasoning hasn't changed Deus- scummy--mostly because of the way he handled his "suspicions" of umasi - he stated that he suspected him several times throughout the early game but never elaborated on that suspicion--basically, enough to make me think that the suspicion may only be a show...his reasoning for dropping it, as zyree pointed out, is very weak. | ||
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As for why I stayed on Umasi earlier--we had 3? votes for him and there was no real consensus, I just didn't switch bc it to seemed silly to just keep throwing around the vote until we had decided who to knock out....is what it is, not much else I can say. Obviously you all will still be suspicious, not much else I can do besides playing well from here on out anyway....I'll go back through again and read the last pages, see what happened | ||
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On August 06 2013 08:23 Nightcat99 wrote: @deus Honestly i was pretty confident at my read on zyraa, but apparently i am an idiot. as far as rdo go, his reasoning for not vote switch was this His untimely demise of phone battery, His careful explination of having 3 votes when he last check, (which is not something i would check, until dead line.) I usually just throw a vote on and in the last hour, check to make sure we are lynching someone. Plus i have always had a gut scum read on RDO, his early absents, then he comes back just when suspicious was building on him, and his many fluffy post of not posting a single read as of now. I am going to stick with this vote for now. I do keep track of those sort of things. I've been keeping up on the thread and if you notice, I was posting in the morning just before so I had read up Where does this idea that I haven't posted any reads come from? I was actually the one first made a real case for suspicion against Gotard, and I was very vocal on my opinions of Usami. I've posted plenty of my own reads. At any rate, last night kind of fucked up what I thought again. Stim are confirmed town Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about That leaves Deus and Umasi Still a little suspicious of Umasi--his play to go after scam may have been an attempt to put his name in the clear by getting rid of a lurker and also spearheading a charge to kill a fellow mafia member. Dues--I have a decent townread on him Nightcat--he may be town, but he is not confirmed not-scum either, but there are a number of important possibilities to consider- namely Mafia tried to kill jaded salesman first night, or someone who was saved by the doctor the first night. They would know that their kill was blocked and there IS a serial killer- fact is, he is still my strongest scum read Look at this post again+ Show Spoiler + On August 03 2013 04:28 Nightcat99 wrote: The if i die post. First thing first, i think stim and infil is mason team. but that puts me in a blind, cause i am not seeing the scum team. So i have 2 scenario for everyone to think about. First the far more likely situation, Zyrre , DeusXmachina, RDaneelOlivaw and slam slam because he jump in on the vote on rep to try to save the day. RDaneelOlivaw still have not post a orginial through, he has been more active, but still no opinion of his own. Deus repeat claim of lynch a bad townie is not bad is a strange claim, but other then that i dont have much to add then what other have said. Zyrre is kind of null actually, he just doesnt seem that pro town. And now my far less likely conspiracy theories Umasi and Slam is scum team. Umasi jump off the wagon on rep, because he coordinate with slam that slam will secure the lynch. Umasi has to know that infil cannot be lynch at this point, he just jump off the wagon for a second because he knows when rep flips, hes going to look pro town and slam will secure the lynch. Not only completely wrong, but the reasoning is exceptionally weak. 1 liners and no quotes about his scum reads--it is more of a post because he has to and to shift suspicion than anything else. Also, an "if I die" post? He's clearly trying to play up the possibility of his being murdered. Why? Everybody has the chance, why make such a big deal of it? To associate himself with town as much as possible + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2013 02:15 Nightcat99 wrote: Ok my stand so far. Zyuree is posting less and less, coming in to post 1 line and say he will post 5 hours ago and then disappear. Sc_am is completely gone, if hes not modkill i will be surprise, so i wont waste a vote on him. Umasi is defending himself decently but that vote change is still sucipious or mainly just pisses me off but i need more time to decide who to vote. Orginially i through you two were mason brothers because of these 2 post but hten i reread your filter and saw the next line. This means you are not mason, so stim trusting you is not enough, i want to know why you are so sure. Rdo came back to play which is good, but i cant drop the feeling that hes just pushing people every one is pushing and i just dont have much of a town feel on him. Gotard come back to vote umasi, when they were both associated as scum team, do you guys feel like this is a method to not be caught together, gotard does feel kind of pro town to me this game so i am having some doubts. i am getting pro town reads on everyone else and have not seen anything i want to point out on them. + Show Spoiler + Above, he tries the very low-profile defense of Gotard. First states he is pretty sure that he's town, then questions why everyone is voting for him. Just enough to call into question the vote against Gotard and try to help Gotard's defense without drawing signifcant attention to himself. He doesn't join on the suspicion of Gotard until the last minute, when it becomes apparent that Gotard is going to be lynched. Also important to note is that his posts are almost entirely fluff. Most are 1 or 2 liners making some minor comment to show his presence in the thread (or to ask slam for an opinion, which he does a lot of ) without drawing attention. He's largely failed to level significant accusations (he's only posted them twice?), and the one's he has made he has not gone after aggressively. He posts them and then lets it go, leading me to believe that once again, he was posting them to blend in, not to actually make strong cases. On August 04 2013 14:15 Nightcat99 wrote: sc_am wont making pass the night, justice will be brought down by BH or other source. Probably nothing, but "another source"---that's a pretty confident statement | ||
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On August 06 2013 10:45 Alakaslam wrote: HTHDTH? I wasn't lynched because town thinketh I'm town I haven't a clue in the slightest why I haven't been nk'ed. Maybe because Told the scum team that I'm totes vt, therefore not as worth killin as dem bloos That or OMGIS is actually true and u testin dem waters b cuz best chance I desire read the ppl qt Part of the reason I mentioned that was you could very possibly have been an attempted kill that got blocked by doc. | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:40 Alakaslam wrote: Is doc soft claim? If u are town, and you want to win, you really had better just claim role even if it gets you nk. And even if its vt. Then say what you actioned each night. Nope...Im VT. Just theorizing possible solutions | ||
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