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On August 03 2013 11:53 johnnywup wrote: When's this set to start? Monday bloody mondayhhh | ||
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Dibs on House Bolton. I will collect all your skins. Oh, and I eat greyjoys for breakfast. | ||
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On August 06 2013 07:40 Chromatically wrote: name one member of house stark to be elected cohost Rickon. Oh wait shit. I don't want to be cohost. I misread that as that you would pick Rickon to be cohost. Don't make me cohost please. iGrok already did that once. | ||
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On August 06 2013 07:37 s0Lstice wrote: Name three of mad king aerys' kingsguard The prize is 200 thapphireth Arthur Dayne, Sword of the morning Jaime Lannister, not yet kingslayer Barristan Selmy So easy. Name 5 people Cersei has had sex with. | ||
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On August 06 2013 07:58 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2013 07:54 s0Lstice wrote: On August 06 2013 07:46 Acrofales wrote: On August 06 2013 07:37 s0Lstice wrote: Name three of mad king aerys' kingsguard The prize is 200 thapphireth Arthur Dayne, Sword of the morning Jaime Lannister, not yet kingslayer Barristan Selmy So easy. Name 5 people Cersei has had sex with. + Show Spoiler + jaime, lancel, Robert, merryweather (something like that, her lesbian encounter). 5th I'd say aerys but thats only theory + Show Spoiler + You forgot the kettleblacks Name 5 weapons that are specifically given names in the book. Ice, Lightbringer (mythical), Needle (my favourite), Longclaw, Dawn Island: Skagos (I presume, although I didn't remember the bone chariots) Q: what were Aegon the Conqueror's three dragons called? | ||
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On August 06 2013 08:04 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + IIRC she fucked the oldest of the kettleblacks (not all of them)... the one that they turned over to the church/inquisition to admit to sleeping with M Tyrell + Show Spoiler + And Tyrion told Jaime about him (Osmund). The other 2 I think were just "admitted to" when she confessed to all her sins, but it is almost certain she had sex with Osmund, given he admitted, she admitted and Tyrion told Jaime about it. | ||
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Now when is this game going to start?! | ||
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Because I can! Oh, and I have gratuitous sex with everybody else. | ||
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On August 07 2013 00:10 Clarity_nl wrote: Can't do much of anything else though + Show Spoiler [ADWD] + They can stab their own Lord Commander like pros! | ||
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On August 07 2013 07:19 gumshoe wrote: What are the names of tommens kittens. You HAVE to be googling this. There's no way you can know the answer otherwise (or at least, not the answer to all these questions... I guess you could have reread the books 10 times AND have a kitten fetish to know the answer to just this question, but combine this with Brienne's new shield's arms... google!) | ||
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On August 07 2013 07:49 johnnywup wrote: Oh duh, kevan, kettleblacks,. I'm an idiot. What do you mean lora's arena? Arthur Dayne is pretty easy too. Plenty of kingsguard members without resorting to the rainbow guard and whoever is guarding Dany | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:03 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2013 08:01 Acrofales wrote: On August 07 2013 07:49 johnnywup wrote: Oh duh, kevan, kettleblacks,. I'm an idiot. What do you mean lora's arena? Arthur Dayne is pretty easy too. Plenty of kingsguard members without resorting to the rainbow guard and whoever is guarding Dany He put Dayne. Fine. Meryn Trant EDIT: what's the name of that Tagaryen who was in the Kingsguard and has balads written about him? I forgot his name, it's trivia and I am not gonna google it | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:03 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2013 08:03 gumshoe wrote: On August 07 2013 08:01 Acrofales wrote: On August 07 2013 07:49 johnnywup wrote: Oh duh, kevan, kettleblacks,. I'm an idiot. What do you mean lora's arena? Arthur Dayne is pretty easy too. Plenty of kingsguard members without resorting to the rainbow guard and whoever is guarding Dany He put Dayne. Fine. Meryn Trant EDIT: what's the name of that Tagaryen who was in the Kingsguard and has balads written about him? I forgot his name, it's trivia and I am not gonna google it Nevermind, I thought there were two famous ones, but there's only one. Surprising nobody came at me with it. Name a Tagaryen member of the kingsguard! | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:24 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2013 08:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 07 2013 08:03 Acrofales wrote: On August 07 2013 08:03 gumshoe wrote: On August 07 2013 08:01 Acrofales wrote: On August 07 2013 07:49 johnnywup wrote: Oh duh, kevan, kettleblacks,. I'm an idiot. What do you mean lora's arena? Arthur Dayne is pretty easy too. Plenty of kingsguard members without resorting to the rainbow guard and whoever is guarding Dany He put Dayne. Fine. Meryn Trant EDIT: what's the name of that Tagaryen who was in the Kingsguard and has balads written about him? I forgot his name, it's trivia and I am not gonna google it Nevermind, I thought there were two famous ones, but there's only one. Surprising nobody came at me with it. Name a Tagaryen member of the kingsguard! Seems like a pretty fucking stupid thing for a targaryen to do. Insofar as I know he was the first Lord Commander of the kingsguard, but I could very well be wrong on that... | ||
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While you think about it, name 5 wars on Westeros. EDIT: and while you're at it, 5 battles too. | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:56 s0Lstice wrote: Its the seat of power of house bracken. Last one. What was the first major battle of the war of the usurper? I guess I'd take two answers for this. Wasn't that the Trident? | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:02 Onegu wrote: No the trident was the last major battle. + Show Spoiler + King's Landing was the last one... and I think the Siege of Storm's End was only ended after that as well (not to forget the Greyjoys rebellion). The Trident happened fairly early in the war, although there may have been earlier ones before the Baratheons, Starks and Arryns had time to join their forces together. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:12 s0Lstice wrote: Dragonknight? Correct! | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:05 s0Lstice wrote: Nope, it was the one where Robert killed three armies in succession like a baws before they could form up Harrenhall? | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:21 gumshoe wrote: Name each "appendage" belonging to a certain some one that was flayed/removed + Show Spoiler + Lots of fingers and toes. I think 3 toes on each of his feet and 2 fingers on each of his hands, but honestly, no clue on the numbers. Not even sure DWD numbers them. In the tv series it's just one finger (so far). Also, his penis. In both tv and book | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:22 gumshoe wrote: Right on the first wrong on this. Tyrion? | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:46 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2013 09:33 gumshoe wrote: On August 07 2013 09:32 s0Lstice wrote: What was the most significant physical detail about symeon stareyes? His sexy pupils? Nah. Does have to do with his eyes though, obviously Lies. It's his voice. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:51 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2013 09:47 Acrofales wrote: On August 07 2013 09:46 s0Lstice wrote: On August 07 2013 09:33 gumshoe wrote: On August 07 2013 09:32 s0Lstice wrote: What was the most significant physical detail about symeon stareyes? His sexy pupils? Nah. Does have to do with his eyes though, obviously Lies. It's his voice. Lol. Heres one for you Acro. Which of the seven would I pray to if I was praying for justice? The warrior! Duh. | ||
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On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote: Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Are you town this game? I haven't seen you shit up the thread yet. Dear friends (and Martells), As the Lord of Highgarden I ask you to please stop the senseless bickering. We have Blackfyre sympathists amongst us and nothing you have said so far has helped me decide who is friendly with the rebel scum. I have come to King's Landing to end their cause. The most interesting information anyone has brought has come from House Baratheon. I would like to hear more about their internal politics, in order to determine whether Blackfyres have infiltrated them. I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Within my own house there was no strife either, but the voting process was short and did not give much alignment indicative information. I feel this open forum is a better place for uncovering Blackfyre sympathists than in the private confines of Highgarden. Yours sincerely, Acrofales Tyrell | ||
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On August 08 2013 21:08 Oatsmaster wrote: So acro, any specifc questions? Do you think Yamato is a Blackfyre sympathist? | ||
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On August 08 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote: On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote: Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Are you town this game? I haven't seen you shit up the thread yet. Dear friends (and Martells), As the Lord of Highgarden I ask you to please stop the senseless bickering. We have Blackfyre sympathists amongst us and nothing you have said so far has helped me decide who is friendly with the rebel scum. I have come to King's Landing to end their cause. The most interesting information anyone has brought has come from House Baratheon. I would like to hear more about their internal politics, in order to determine whether Blackfyres have infiltrated them. I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Within my own house there was no strife either, but the voting process was short and did not give much alignment indicative information. I feel this open forum is a better place for uncovering Blackfyre sympathists than in the private confines of Highgarden. Yours sincerely, Acrofales Tyrell This is such a generic and wishy-washy opening post -.- I hope you're not scum with gumshoe. Why not include me as well? As for causing havoc and destruction, you can ask my fellow House members. Some of them have already felt my wrath. I will ask your Lord. For now: do you think gumshoe is scum? If so, why? Is he the black sheep in your family? Please elaborate. Elsewise this post is just you throwing suspicions around for no sensible reason. | ||
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On August 08 2013 21:28 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 21:20 Acrofales wrote: On August 08 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote: On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote: On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote: Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Are you town this game? I haven't seen you shit up the thread yet. Dear friends (and Martells), As the Lord of Highgarden I ask you to please stop the senseless bickering. We have Blackfyre sympathists amongst us and nothing you have said so far has helped me decide who is friendly with the rebel scum. I have come to King's Landing to end their cause. The most interesting information anyone has brought has come from House Baratheon. I would like to hear more about their internal politics, in order to determine whether Blackfyres have infiltrated them. I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Within my own house there was no strife either, but the voting process was short and did not give much alignment indicative information. I feel this open forum is a better place for uncovering Blackfyre sympathists than in the private confines of Highgarden. Yours sincerely, Acrofales Tyrell This is such a generic and wishy-washy opening post -.- I hope you're not scum with gumshoe. Why not include me as well? As for causing havoc and destruction, you can ask my fellow House members. Some of them have already felt my wrath. I will ask your Lord. For now: do you think gumshoe is scum? If so, why? Is he the black sheep in your family? Please elaborate. Elsewise this post is just you throwing suspicions around for no sensible reason. You could start by reading the thread or at least my earlier posts...... But anyways, if you didn't get it, that part about gumshoe was just a joke related to the previous GOT Mafia. The part about your opening post being wishy-washy and generic wasn't, though. I think you're confusing flavoured with wishy-washy. I understand you feel Grackaroni is the black sheep, yet you make specific reference to gumshoe, and that seemed strange. Associations with past rebellions seems like a rather tenuous link, and I find it unbecoming that you would immediately jump to the conclusion that not only am I a Blackfyre sympathist, but I am in cahoots with one of your own kinfolk. One you had so far not suspected at all. Your other actions in this public forum have been decidedly non-committal. You have discussed philosophical nothingnesses, rather than try to catch Blackfyre scumbags. Do you suspect Grackaroni of being a Blackfyre? | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote: [QUOTE]On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote: I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm.[/QUOTE] Oats, I'm actually interested in this hidden bit of text within Acro's opening post. Why do you assume that your House members being "nice" makes them town? grackaroni was "nice" in our House, more so than gumshoe or me, yet he was the most scummy of us four. Precisely because he went with the flow and was so passive/reactive... or "nice". I'd even go so far as to say that some controversy is better than no controversy at all. Too much is too much though, like might be the case with House Baratheon.[/QUOTE] There was no hidden text in my opening speech. You calling it such is because you are realizing you bit off more than you could chew in calling it wishy-washy and bringing my attention to yourself. What, exactly, was HIDDEN about that phrase? | ||
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On August 08 2013 21:43 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 21:40 Xatalos wrote: On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote: On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote: I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Oats, I'm actually interested in this hidden bit of text within Acro's opening post. Why do you assume that your House members being "nice" makes them town? grackaroni was "nice" in our House, more so than gumshoe or me, yet he was the most scummy of us four. Precisely because he went with the flow and was so passive/reactive... or "nice". I'd even go so far as to say that some controversy is better than no controversy at all. Too much is too much though, like might be the case with House Baratheon. There was no hidden text in my opening speech. You calling it such is because you are realizing you bit off more than you could chew in calling it wishy-washy and bringing my attention to yourself. What, exactly, was HIDDEN about that phrase? | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 22:04 Koshi wrote: On August 08 2013 21:57 Dandel Ion wrote: On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote: Dandel. What I said was completely true. Why are you not mentioning that your spears of logic were killing Kush because it is win/win. That's THE ONLY reason you told me why to be lord. What other reason was there? None. Jeezus. Funny when I say to you that I don't want to be Lord because I think S0lstice is a better choice = being scum But when Chroma says to you that he wants to be Lord but he thinks S0lstice/DI is a better choice = super town & elected. _________________________ @ all others And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad. What reasons has solstice given you when you voted him? What reasons have YOU given? none, I say. Stop tunneling on a little joke, you're as bad as sol. He said he was experienced, a good scumhunter and a teamplayer. You instead said you were going to kill kush, and don't tell me it was a little joke because you said it 3 times. After that you said that s0lstice was scum 2 times... No spears of logic were ever fired. I said I wanted to be lord because it was clear that not S0l or you should have been Lord. So it was way better for me to be Lord and then listen to what you 2 had to say. THE EXACT same thing that eventually Chroma got elected. I said I was experienced, a good scumhunter, and obviously town when town. how is that not logic? sol isn't any of what he claimed. He talks about teamplaying and putting heads together and whatnot, but he doesn't listen, and I've not been able to make him share even a single read. tl;dr: he's bullshitting. a joke is not a joke because i just went with it? what bolded still makes no sense My past experience with s0lstice is that he is, in fact, decent at sniffing out plotting rebels. I doubt I'd call him experienced, but he isn't green behind the ears. Being a teamplayer is completely subjective and often dependent on the team in the cutthroat environment that is the Game of Thrones. I have no idea what happened behind the closed doors of Storm's End, but shutting down s0lstice for these reasons seems disingenious. Just saying. | ||
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Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers. If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI). If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice. So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other? I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this. | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 22:38 Acrofales wrote: Okay, lets roll back for a second. Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers. If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI). If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice. So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other? I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this. well chrom has been bystanding basically just because he was afk so much. he did however not fail the test that koshi failed so spectacularily. cuz when I told chrom "sol is scum" in a oneliner without explanation he actually 1) asked for reasons 2) talked about the reasons 3) told me he was more suspicious of koshi instead and that i should look into him. 3) is a towntell in multiple ways which I won't go into right now so yeah chrom wasn't doing much but it's not like he was super shifty about it and he's (again) the only housie that showed interest in figuring out the players in the house. Okay, so its your belief s0l and koshi are both Blackfyres? Or what is your take on the main point of my earlier discourse? | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:47 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote: On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote: On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. Lurkers should also remember that there's a LOT of KP in the hands of the Lords and they will most likely be used against lurkers. I, as a lord, don't even know how much KP is in my hands. I have prayed to the gods for more information. Not quite sure how you know it's a LOT. | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:48 Oberyn wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote: On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote: On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. People should certainly post in the thread who they want to lynch and that part shouldn't remain in pms or anything. I was just suggesting that it also be discussed in PMs so one Lord isn't overruling their entire house when it comes to who they should decide to vote. I'm still undecided on how the suggested kp target should be handled. People should certainly post who they think deserves to be shot and perhaps we can use a voting system to have everyone decide, rather than a few individuals, but I'm unsure what type of protective roles the mafia team may have. The kp seem to be instant so if the mafia protective roles aren't instant, this wouldn't be a concern. This seems like a cheap way out of responsibility. In the end it is YOUR vote and YOU will be held accountable for your use of it. | ||
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@Iamperfection: the 1 KP thing isn't indicative of alignment at all, but his explanation might have been. Too bad umpteen people jumped in to defend him before he even explained himself, rendering any pressure he might have felt completely moot. @snb: dear Lord Stark, please start playing the game. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:33 Oberyn wrote: House Martell also demands an explanation for this injustice. ##Vote: Solstice However distasteful that I must align myself with this sandspawn, this latest evidence is rather damning. Why would you give power to someone you cannot fathom, over someone whose loyalties are clear to you, regardless of how frustrated you are by said person? Are the fake Tagaryen usurpers really that afraid of having DI as their lord? If it is simply a power grab, how did the power end up in the hands of, what by all accounts so far, seems to be a pawn in the Baratheon family? Did a powerplay backfire? Unfortunately my spy network does not seem extensive enough to have caught all conversations literally, which makes it very hard to make sense of what happened in Storm's End. For now, I must simply use Ockham's Razor: it was a failed powerplay by a Blackfyre infiltrant, and when it failed he panicked and voted with his ass instead of his head. ##vote: s0lstice | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:51 Dandel Ion wrote: the game house not my actual house though put your bombs away again plz ##nuke House Florent | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote: i claimed (just role name, not role) and told him not to tell anyone because i was trying an experiment. he told someone else without asking me why i said to keep it a secret and without trying to figure out if ruining my plan would hurt town. he also lied to them, telling them i said i would tell them anyway (i didnt). then when I asked him why he told them, he first said it was cause he was curious what they would say. i pushed him on it, three or four pms later he said he wanted to ruin my plan on purpose and see my reaction. that's the contradiction i also asked him why he lied to the other person, he ignored the question twice and then said it was by accident. that's the evasion. Why is this evidence that clarity is a Blackfyre usurper, rather than just plain stupid? | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:39 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 09 2013 02:28 Onegu wrote: I dont see any reason for scum to pass that info on to a town member through pm other than to try to friend that person, and that is just bad. Clarity is most likely town. THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment? There is no way of knowing SnB did it to become lord though. And there could be eole names that are alignment indicative or not we cant know so passing that info on does nothing for scum. Can we lynch Joffrey? I really want to lynch Joffrey. | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity. So events happened like this. I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever. Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy? Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around. While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum? | ||
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On August 09 2013 03:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity. So events happened like this. I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever. Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy? Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around. While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum? Yes because obviously with that exchange between me and oats, the possibility that we're both scum somehow still remains? But yeah, whether I am town or scum I'd have reacted the same way, most likely. That said, do you think Oats as scum pushes me really hard for my rolename (he underemphasized this, it was like 5 pms each of him asking me rolename and me asking "why?") and then when I refuse to give it he makes up a role like that? Seems a bit farfetched for scum just to "dick around" Where do I say you're both Blackfyre pretenders? The exchange between you and Oats seems like intentional bad play by Oats, and his subsequent behaviour in this public hall has been to intentionally obscure information that would have been far more relevant at the time than his derpfest bickering with Yamato. Why would a loyal citizen intentionally derail the discussion, rather than presenting an interesting topic for discussion? I exaggerated with the "whole house" bit, but I have some serious suspicions of Oatsmaster and Strongandbig. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:05 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:01 Risen wrote: So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum. This makes zero sense why not do that in scum qt if both scum, or even bring it up to SnB why not keep it to themselves? Even Blackfyre pretenders are going to have to keep up appearances. I wouldn't put too much stock in what medium was used for what missives. In this case, I don't think Oats and Clarity are both Blackfyre rebels, because of the nature of the messages, but in general, I would beware of sweeping statements like this. There may very well be Blackfyre sympathizers who send ravens rather than discussing stuff in their secret meetings. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia? All I know about Grackaroni is what you have told me, which is not conclusive at all. How am I to form an opinion without more information about your internal bickerings over there on those godforsaken isles? | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:25 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia? All I know about Grackaroni is what you have told me, which is not conclusive at all. How am I to form an opinion without more information about your internal bickerings over there on those godforsaken isles? wat grack is in my house? Err, wait. Grack was the black lion, not the black kraken. I still have not much opinion. His explanation of his behaviour to us seems quite okay, but he hasn't done much other than announce who are his family members. I still don't have much of an opinion of him one way or another. He seems to have some thoughts, which is okay, I guess, but nothing particularly useful. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Quote me please Acrofales. Where ever i give an opinion on Grack? Nowhere? Stags, Krakens, Lions, it's all the same to me. I'm here to catch Dragon pretenders. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:36 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Quote me please Acrofales. Where ever i give an opinion on Grack? Nowhere? Stags, Krakens, Lions, it's all the same to me. I'm here to catch Dragon pretenders. Then what do you mean by this: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia? All I know about Grackaroni is what you have told me, which is not conclusive at all. How am I to form an opinion without more information about your internal bickerings over there on those godforsaken isles? ????? On August 09 2013 04:29 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:25 iamperfection wrote: On August 09 2013 04:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia? All I know about Grackaroni is what you have told me, which is not conclusive at all. How am I to form an opinion without more information about your internal bickerings over there on those godforsaken isles? wat grack is in my house? Err, wait. Grack was the black lion, not the black kraken. I still have not much opinion. His explanation of his behaviour to us seems quite okay, but he hasn't done much other than announce who are his family members. I still don't have much of an opinion of him one way or another. He seems to have some thoughts, which is okay, I guess, but nothing particularly useful. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote: @ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote: Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? | ||
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However, in public he seems overly paranoid about it; possibly because both Sharrant and I were immediately suspicious of his motives. He claimed to have never heard of evil magician assassins who use name magic to murder you in your sleep. The whole discussion played out in a way that I believe him. Now, this just plain doesn't jibe with the suspicions s0lstice is trying to mount against him. DI, Koshi, Chromatically: does s0lstice's explanation do justice to what happened in the confines of Storm's End? | ||
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On August 09 2013 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: On a sidenote. One of the houses is seriously considering using a HP chack this phase. HP check this early on helps mafia more than it does help town. Mafia is in control of KP (besides house lords), if we reveal some house HP, mafia can direct their KP more accurately. As this is a KP/HP game i assume at least most of the people have more than 1 HP, and mafia has > 1 KP, probably even > 2 KP. I will use all my power to kill you all if you do that, you are scum. Are you talking about me? Because then I urge you to reread the missive I sent you. | ||
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Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? Well, that's unfortunate, because now I am DEFINITELY not telling you, because I am increasingly suspicious of you and your way of twisting and misrepresenting my words. | ||
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On August 09 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 06:44 Acrofales wrote: I am not going to paraphrase my own missive, because that's just plain stupid, but what I don't get how you go from discussing the best use of our magics to "HOUSE TYRELL IS THREATENING TO USE THEM". Are you upset because I am unwilling to disclose with you the way the Red Viper, Sharrant and myself came up with a way of potentially foiling a Blackfyre plot by using our life check magic? Well, that's unfortunate, because now I am DEFINITELY not telling you, because I am increasingly suspicious of you and your way of twisting and misrepresenting my words. I do not want to discuss our "magic" usage because that does not help us find mafia. If you tell me how does that help us find mafia right now to check any of the houses HP´s, i´m all ears. I have never advocated the use of our magic right now. I have searched for a way to coordinate our swords, and thought the life check magic could help. My vassal Sharrant pointed out that this information might be revealed anyway with some patience. The risks of giving this information to the Blackfyre armies is obvious. Regardless, there are loyalist uses of the magics and I am not willing to discuss them with you, and definitely not in this public hall, because its use relies on the collaboration of trustworthy lords and keeping the Blackfyre usurpers in the dark regarding its use. Blathering it out here in public would defeat its purpose entirely. | ||
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On August 09 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit! No. I am suspicious of you, because you keep twisting my words around. Now stop mincing words, I have said three times now why I don't trust you, and the more you continue to misrepresent what I say, the less I trust you. | ||
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On August 09 2013 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 07:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read that as you think i am mafia? Why? Because i opposed your HP check and you did not give me anything why it´s gonna be beneficial to town? Seems legit! No. I am suspicious of you, because you keep twisting my words around. Now stop mincing words, I have said three times now why I don't trust you, and the more you continue to misrepresent what I say, the less I trust you. You clearly said: 1) you want to use the HP check NOW (i read that as D1) 2) when i opposed that, you did not give me reasons why it´s beneficial to use that now. How am i twisting your words? I never said point 1. I have no clue where you got that. | ||
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"you will back down if I reveal the plan"... REALLY If you're loyal to the realm, you have a funny way of showing it, but I suspect you're nothing but a Blackfyre pretending to be a Kraken. ##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On August 09 2013 07:57 johnnywup wrote: Acro, I'm confused. What are you talking about? Keep in mind the rest of the thread can't read the PMs between you two. Okay, here's what happened. Not being able to cite from my Maester's records is really complicating this matter. I told rayn that we were having a discussion in our house about the use of our healing magic and asked him what he thought was the best use of it. In particular, my original question mentioned that it seemed risky to use, as had been emphasized to me by both the Red Viper and Sharrant: if the information falls into the pretenders' hands, they will be able to better use their armies, whereas the advantage for coordinating our own swords seems secondary to this. Rayn answered with a similar observation, and seemed suspicious of WHY I thought it might be advantageous to use now. I answered that I initially had thought that it could be useful to coordinate our loyalist swords in order to not overcommit on any particular Blackfyre suspect. But I emphasized that the risk was greater than the reward. I also made an allusion to the plan concocted by Sharrant, the Red Viper and myself to perhaps catch Blackfyre scum using our magics, but this plan relies somewhat on secrecy and I am not divulging its workings in public. This post triggered the initial outburst in the thread, where rayn basically called me out for being a Blackfyre myself based on my supposed will to use the magic immediately. After I recognized what he might have misinterpreted in my original answer, I offered him an olive branch, pointing out what was probably the root of the misunderstanding and thinking I might have overreacted with his "misrepresenting my words". His response to that was that he would back down from his accusations if I told him about the plan. I don't take well to being blackmailed, and I certainly don't think blackmailing someone is a loyalist attitude. I am now convinced he is a Blackfyre infiltrant who is desperate for this information that might put a stop to their dastardly plans. | ||
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"I am willing to reconsider my stance if you are willing to tell me the plan." How am I misrepresenting anything. That means: tell me the plan and I'll leave you alone. | ||
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On August 09 2013 08:20 Oberyn wrote: I'm not really sure what you're rambling about Acro. You essentially took my plan from my first post, decided that you and me worked on it together (I have no idea where that comes from) and now won't share it for whatever reason. I'm still suspicious of sol, but for now I'm going to: ##Unvote ##Vote Acrofales What the hell are you smoking? Here is the first thing you sent to me about using magic: Onegu told me that he wants to use the hp check on day one, which would give the mafia an idea of how many kp it takes to eliminate a player with their night hits. I've had a town read on him otherwise. Do you think there is any benefit to wanting to use it early as town? Here is your second missive, after my reply: You say that it is important for us to know to coordinate our shots, but then want to use it on your own hosue? Does that suggest that you want the Lords to fire in your house? Wouldn't it make more sense to use it on the house you want to fire into? And MY REPLY to that is the plan. After this we have not communicated about using the magic, and were discussing Yamato. | ||
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On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: Lords and Ladies of Westeros, Allow me to present to you all a bottle of our finest Dornish wine as a sign of good faith. I've even prepared a special blend as a gift to the Lord of Highgarden. Similar to a game of resistance, pulling off a strong day one can spiral the game out of control. If a group of Lords is able to pull off a successful lynch, then they should continue to be elected. Everyone doesn't deserve a turn as Lord. It should go to the most town player, even if they aren't necessarily the most experienced. I believe that the Lord kp can be distinguished from the mafia kp based on the fact that the Lord kp is sent in instantly. We can use our 1-shot HP check ability by checking a target before and after the shot to confirm that the Lord is not lying. We can also use the 1-shot HP check before and after mafia night hits to try to determine who was targeted by the mafia kp and survived. I suggest that if the HP check is used, the Lord share it with 1-2 of their strongest town reads to try to keep the information in a town circle, rather than making easier for the mafia team to pick off players. I'm assuming they have no idea how many kp it's going to take to eliminate a player, so a Lord who uses their 1-shot ability early in day one is going to be suspicious. Lords can also coordinate kp to focus on 1-2 targets that we want to flip. If we use it as a double lynch of sorts, it removes the power from the individuals and places it in the town's hands. It is much more useful for us to have scummy players flip, rather than distribute the kp among multiple targets. With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. As the identities of the individuals of my house have been revealed, I might as well report what I have found so far. Onegu has been the most willing to discuss things via pm so far. We was willing to vote for me before we even spoke, but I have no issue with that. The only thing I found weird was that he suggested we use our HP check right away, which doesn't seem to really benefit town and would provide information to the mafia team about how they should use their kp. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. yamato has come off the first in pms from n0. He wanted to be elected Lord on the basis of experience, but he was very reserved in PMs. Any generic questions that I sent his way to get the conversation going he ignored and called them unimportant. I had thought I caught yamato and jrkirby in a scum slip when kirby said he had sent yamato a few pms, while yamato said he didn't receive any, but it appears that jrkirby had been sending them to yamato, rather than yamato77. Dandel Ion finding himself unable to get elected seems like the most interesting part of the game so far. Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? I'm disappointed I haven't received a PM from one of my fellow Lords. I'll be getting in touch with you shortly. I promise, I don't bite...most of the time. ~ Lord Oberyn of House Martell ~ I must admit that I slept through the Red Viper's long and tedious presentation. OOC: I thought it was an original plan when I sent the PM to Oberyn proposing to use the HP checks to verify a lord's use of KP, or its use to check who is being targeted by scum KP. But apparently Oberyn had already put it in the thread and I never read this. As for why I give him credit: it's because when I am in what seemed like a discussion, I consider it a joint effort. What exactly is wrong with giving some credit to people I am talking to when having an idea. Finally, I knew the idea wasn't rocket science, but it still seemed better to keep it a secret if scum didn't come up with it themselves. | ||
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On August 09 2013 09:02 Oberyn wrote: More on Acrofales: I first contact him via pm's because I found his conclusion that DI and koshi are both town quite puzzling. When I asked about it futher, he explained that he doesn't think DI truly thinks that sol and koshi are town, he is simply pressuring them. Based on DI's emotional tunnel, I certainly do not draw the same conclusion. He also inadequately explains why koshi is town. He states that DI is overreacting on his views about koshi., but how is this indicative of koshi's alignment? He states that he isn't interested in considering a koshi lynch, but doesn't provide a solid reason. Furthermore, if you earlier thought that DI was faking his read on koshi to pressure him, how is he suddenly overreacting on his read? That's a contradiction. Initially, he thought that it was a good idea to use the health check simply to figure out the hp system. This is incredibly anti-town. When I attack him for his plan, he quickly drops it. Acro's house is a slew of inactives, but he has shown little interest in dealing with them. In the thread, Acro has said a lot of nothing. He is using the role playing nonsense to cover up the fact that he isn't sharing many strong reads. I see little reason why he shouldn't be considered for a lynch today. What am I supposed to do with kush and Sharrant other than send them ravens. I have no read on them. If Sharrant doesn't start speaking in public we will eventually kill him. If Kush doesn't start actually looking for Blackfyres, rather than interjecting useless nonsense (both in public and in the privacy of Highgarden), we will probably kill him too. What ELSE am I supposed to do? I'm not their babysitter. Regarding DI and Koshi, between what I said in public and the following missive, I fail to see what is inadequate. If you feel Koshi is scum, the onus of proof seems to be on you. Missive to Oberyn: The reasons for koshi being true to the realm are somewhat tenuous, but I do not see much reason to pursue him today: I think DI is overreacting, which removes any reason for me to suspect koshi outright. The rest is mainly just his tone of voice and the incessant bickering he is involved in. Suffice to say, if he is indeed a rebel, I believe he will show his true colors soon enough. In short, your suspicions on me are complete bollocks. | ||
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On August 09 2013 10:58 Grackaroni wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote: This message is for everyone. We are simply not lynching ryan or acro under any circumstances this cycle and i want your help to find the true scum in this game. Regardless of what you think of the two their activity alone makes them not the best chance to lynch scum. We all know that scum tend b e less active than town and like to lurk in the shadows. This biting each others heads off serves no purpose but to create an atmospher not productive to town because it allows to lurkers to continue to lurk and the scum along with them. I want to know have nonposters in your house been active in pms. Gumshoe has contacted me stating that he will be on later and as of yet still hasnt posted. I havent heard from grack to last night. I want to know if any non posters are in contact with you and if you have suspicion of them from their n0 commitment and recent pms. regardless if they are pm'ing you i want to know why they arent posting in the thread. IE ( Sharrant is in contact with you but isnt posting in the thread acro) these are the pieces of shit that come to mind FirmTofu- Decided to complain about activity and did nothing else Gumshoe- Had a good feeling from pms that he was town but is mia Grack- Mia since last night Kush- Non contributer who i want kp directed at because he can contribute as town and isnt nacho- non poster and i havent heard anything about his pms Sharrant- as stated before Piece of Shit reporting for duty! I will read through the thread and and get some reads sometime tonight. it might not be for hours, not making any promises. You may be around but I don't think you have done anything, unless you have been particularly busy in PM's. I believe that your involvement in pm's dropped quite significantly as well after you got elected, at least from my perspective and xata seemed less sure of you late in the night as well. Do some scumhunting or at least build a case on me, calling out lurkers is useless and that's the most I've seen from you. @All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's My PMs with him were mainly about Xatalos, who he stood up for. This was enough for me to drop him as a primary suspect. We then talked a bit about DI, but seeing as we agree, he is probably loyal to the realm, that discussion petered out quickly. We just now had a discussion about rayn, sharrant and gumshoe. He's not raising any red flags. Would not lynch. | ||
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You said the following, and I quote: On August 09 2013 11:32 s0Lstice wrote: Because if he is going to out himself independent of any other action in the game, then blowing the check to incriminate him is a waste. He is going to incriminate himself anyway. While I don't follow this reasoning, I can entertain the idea that you are a loyalist and look past the strange things you Baratheons do behind closed doors. I challenge you to ignore your whole internal controversy, and act as becomes a loyal citizen of the realm. If you recall, I suspected you were not a criminal at the PTP Festival, and I still feel confident that I can uncover your true motives if all of us stop focusing on the political travesty that occured at Storm's End. I see you have made a slight start, and will address your question to me: On August 09 2013 11:46 s0Lstice wrote: fuck it Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 06:13 Acrofales wrote: I am going to step in to protect my vassal johnnywup. I initially suspected him because he yelled his true name in our dining hall as he entered Highgarden. It seemed naive at best, and fishing for others' role names at worst. Since then this has been clarified and I suspect it was just a naive gaff to gain our trust. However, in public he seems overly paranoid about it; possibly because both Sharrant and I were immediately suspicious of his motives. He claimed to have never heard of evil magician assassins who use name magic to murder you in your sleep. The whole discussion played out in a way that I believe him. Now, this just plain doesn't jibe with the suspicions s0lstice is trying to mount against him. DI, Koshi, Chromatically: does s0lstice's explanation do justice to what happened in the confines of Storm's End? What is happening here Acro? I literally have no idea what you think of johnny. Clarify please. While I see no reason for the vulgar language, the question is a simple one. I am saying that I believe it is precisely because Ser Wup was accused behind closed doors, that he was subsequently paranoid in public. I do not understand how this is a bad thing. I don't believe the charges leveled against my kinsman hold water, and Johnny seems like a loyal subject of the realm. I thought that was clear from the very fact that I spoke in his defense. Why would I ever defend a Blackfyre pretender? So while I believe your focus on Johnny Wup is misguided at best, I will give you some time to recollect your thoughts before casting my vote for you again. For now, I have come to the insight, mainly upon the urging of both Lord Iamperfection and Ser Wup, as well as a good night's sleep, that I may be wrong about the Kraken lord. Everybody dismissing the evidence brought against him indicates that I either did a bad job explaining it, or it is not as strong as I believed. I do not believe I am bad at explaining things, so I must accept the latter. ##unvote | ||
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August 09 2013 12:55 GMT
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On August 09 2013 14:27 FirmTofu wrote: You people are useless. Alright, I do it myself. Here is the post for reference. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=28#551 Here is Yamato's opening scum post in Sicilian Mafia Style game. Yes, I know these are two different people, but this is still relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=11#215 Here are Ver's thoughts on Yamato's first post: Show nested quote + Yamato77 is almost certainly mafia based off of his first post here. I’d vote him in heartbeat. This is the quintessential mafia post. Definitely my #1 find. I didn’t even have to read any other posts by him. Remember point 1 about mafia having a hard time entering the thread? I’ve snagged many many people from intuition judging from only their first post of the game. This is confirmed from a brief glance at his posts in Personality Mafia 2 where he was an unabashed townie making strong posts and not holding back. This post here is completely the opposite. He’s holding back, not caring, not pressing as hard as he should be. Can you feeeeeel the apathy? Does he really care about the town’s best interests? Do you see the similarity? Afrocales' post looks very constructed and deliberate. He holds back by soft-accuses Oats instead of pushing him like he should be. The apathy is in plain sight for everyone to see. He is just trying to establish thread presence and likability(w/ his RP) without actually scumhunting in the slightest. We have scum in our sights, people. My speech is simply the way learned nobles of the Reach speak. I know this sometimes confuses the common peasants, but why did you feel the need to upstage the ongoing conversations with such trifling evidence? What was your intention with your "grand reveal", which seemed to indicate a monumentous discovery of epic proportions. With your dramatic presentation, I was expecting you had discovered that Aegon the Conqueror had returned to slay us all. | ||
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August 09 2013 13:03 GMT
#1106
On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote: On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative? Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno. In case my earlier discourse was unclear, Ser Oatsmaster has clearly traveled in the Reach and caught onto my way of speaking immediately. Regarding the content: the young Tofu seems to think that I was afraid of calling Ser Oatsmaster a Blackfyre. Rest assured that if I had thought that, I would have called him a Blackfyre then and there. At the time, all I wanted was to hear more from him, and I said so. | ||
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August 09 2013 13:07 GMT
#1108
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August 09 2013 13:08 GMT
#1109
On August 09 2013 22:05 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 21:55 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 14:27 FirmTofu wrote: You people are useless. Alright, I do it myself. Here is the post for reference. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=28#551 Here is Yamato's opening scum post in Sicilian Mafia Style game. Yes, I know these are two different people, but this is still relevant. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414884¤tpage=11#215 Here are Ver's thoughts on Yamato's first post: Yamato77 is almost certainly mafia based off of his first post here. I’d vote him in heartbeat. This is the quintessential mafia post. Definitely my #1 find. I didn’t even have to read any other posts by him. Remember point 1 about mafia having a hard time entering the thread? I’ve snagged many many people from intuition judging from only their first post of the game. This is confirmed from a brief glance at his posts in Personality Mafia 2 where he was an unabashed townie making strong posts and not holding back. This post here is completely the opposite. He’s holding back, not caring, not pressing as hard as he should be. Can you feeeeeel the apathy? Does he really care about the town’s best interests? Do you see the similarity? Afrocales' post looks very constructed and deliberate. He holds back by soft-accuses Oats instead of pushing him like he should be. The apathy is in plain sight for everyone to see. He is just trying to establish thread presence and likability(w/ his RP) without actually scumhunting in the slightest. We have scum in our sights, people. My speech is simply the way learned nobles of the Reach speak. I know this sometimes confuses the common peasants, but why did you feel the need to upstage the ongoing conversations with such trifling evidence? What was your intention with your "grand reveal", which seemed to indicate a monumentous discovery of epic proportions. With your dramatic presentation, I was expecting you had discovered that Aegon the Conqueror had returned to slay us all. Seriously -.- This post is 4 lines long and yet says nothing. Try to make some sense. Now you know how I feel whenever I hear you talk! | ||
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August 09 2013 13:11 GMT
#1111
Secondly, I voice my concern regarding the way he presented his evidence. I believe he could just be an overeager squire, trying to please in whatever way he can, but I don't rule out pretender motivations. I wish to hear his own explanation. It seems like he might have tried to trump up his contribution to seem like he was a valuable member of society, while in fact being a Blackfyre sympathizer. | ||
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August 09 2013 13:30 GMT
#1123
On August 09 2013 16:18 Xatalos wrote: I think KPs should start to be used like 5-10 hours before the deadline. Like this: 1) Shoot a lurker 2) Still alive? Repeat 3) Dead? Choose next By leaving some time between the KP and the lynch, the KP flip can help in deciding the lynch as well. But we should wait some more to give the most useless lurkers a final chance. GET POSTING OR PREPARE TO DIE, USELESS TRASH! While this is impossible, because our swords must be sent at night, there is an easy way to get this to work. We predefine the order in which Lords send their swords. I propose simple alphabetic order: Lord Baratheon Lord Greyjoy Lord Lannister Lord Martell Lord Stark Lord Tyrell If you think I have some plot by placing myself last, feel free to randomize, use reverse alphabetic order or anything you like, as long as the order is clear. With the order predefined, each lord picks a time AFTER the previous lord, when he can send his swords. We also pick 6 targets in descending order of importance. Lord Baratheon sends his swords against the first target before his specified time. Lord Greyjoy sends his swords against the first target (if alive) or the second target (otherwise), between the Lord Baratheon's specified time, and his own. This continues throughout the night. Regarding targets: unless my vassal Sharrant brings his compelling evidence that Kushm4sta is a loyalist, I see no reason to keep this useless clod around. I am willing to give Sharrant more time, because he was active back in Highgarden. Additionally, I am concerned about Vivax and Yamato's lack of presence in this hallway. These are reknowned knights from whom I had high expectations and their absense is troubling. Yamato has been around, but got into that useless fight with Oats. While that seemed uncharacteristic for a pretender, his subsequent disappearance has me doubting that assessment. Vivax has not contributed much at all. Of these two, I'd prefer to see Vivax on the chopping block. Nacho and gumshoe have not yet spoken up at all, and I would be happy to see them dead. My kill list is thus: Kushm4sta Vivax Nacho Gumshoe Yamato Sharrant | ||
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August 09 2013 13:34 GMT
#1128
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August 09 2013 14:27 GMT
#1184
On August 09 2013 22:37 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 22:30 Acrofales wrote: Additionally, I am concerned about Vivax and Yamato's lack of presence in this hallway. These are reknowned knights from whom I had high expectations and their absense is troubling. Yamato has been around, but got into that useless fight with Oats. While that seemed uncharacteristic for a pretender, his subsequent disappearance has me doubting that assessment. Vivax has not contributed much at all. Of these two, I'd prefer to see Vivax on the chopping block. Are you scum Acro? How did yamato contribute more than me in any way? He only got into a shit fight with Oats and disappeared. Question for you: Can you tell me about a single read/suspect from yamato you know about? What on earth about "but he looks scummier than me" is supposed to convince me that you are a loyalist? I discussed my initial problems with you in an earlier speech. Look it up if you like. Your response was neither here nor there. That's where we are right now. Show loyalty to the realm and I will reconsider. | ||
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August 09 2013 15:44 GMT
#1191
At Highgarden, I received two ravens from Ser Sharrant, but he seemed responsive and they had interesting content. He seemed to be participating in the game, thinking about things and even trying to uncover other kinsmen's loyalties. He was also exchanging missives with another vassal, Ser Wup, as well. Since moving to King's Landing I have sent him a number of ravens urging him to participate in the public debate, as well as asking for his opinion regarding my vote and what to do with the House's powers. Initially he replied. That was when we were talking about the magic that we control. Since then, he has been silent. Ser Wup has also not heard from him since the start of the day. I fear his keep may have been overrun by Greyjoy longships, or perhaps he has joined the pretenders himself. The most interesting thing he sent to me was a brief message stating he had conclusive evidence that kushm4sta is a loyalist. However, he never sent the evidence. | ||
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August 09 2013 15:51 GMT
#1194
On August 10 2013 00:46 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 00:44 Acrofales wrote: Here's what I told Lord Martell in my most recent raven: At Highgarden, I received two ravens from Ser Sharrant, but he seemed responsive and they had interesting content. He seemed to be participating in the game, thinking about things and even trying to uncover other kinsmen's loyalties. He was also exchanging missives with another vassal, Ser Wup, as well. Since moving to King's Landing I have sent him a number of ravens urging him to participate in the public debate, as well as asking for his opinion regarding my vote and what to do with the House's powers. Initially he replied. That was when we were talking about the magic that we control. Since then, he has been silent. Ser Wup has also not heard from him since the start of the day. I fear his keep may have been overrun by Greyjoy longships, or perhaps he has joined the pretenders himself. The most interesting thing he sent to me was a brief message stating he had conclusive evidence that kushm4sta is a loyalist. However, he never sent the evidence. did he give indication at anytime a reason for not posting in the thread? No, nor would I have accepted that as anything but a flimsy excuse. Given the prolonged time without receiving a raven, I believe he may have been forced to flee his keep without ravens or any other method of getting in touch with any of us. Other lordlings are of higher concern to me, but I understand that those of you who have not been in touch with him at all have your concerns about my kinsman's behaviour. | ||
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August 09 2013 18:56 GMT
#1321
On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote: I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin' If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games. In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending. lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime. You were in the TL+ Mafia game, right? I was coaching scum in that atrocity of a game and I seem to recall you as one of the few highlights of town, but the whole game was full of lurk. EVERYBODY's activity was way below acceptable. I don't see how you can have played in that game and then decided that being inactive is a good idea. If that wasn't you, then disregard. My TL+ ran out and I don't feel like paying just to make sure | ||
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August 09 2013 19:17 GMT
#1344
On August 10 2013 02:07 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 10 2013 01:48 s0Lstice wrote: On August 10 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 10 2013 01:35 s0Lstice wrote: go ahead and tell me what you think of johnnywup claiming a town name to Acro in PMs without prompting while you're at it Rayn. What do you mean by town name? Also how am i wrong on you? That´s exactly what i read from your post. From what acro says, he claimed his role name because he thought it would look townie I.e. he has a town name. Why does he do that as scum? Or better, is it likely he does that as scum? In regards to your paragraph on me, I never said dandel would do good things with the lordship as town. He was talking about shooting kush with our kp, and I argued that it should be used on a scumread if possible. I said I would do better. I have also said I am thinking dandel is town in the thread during this clusterfuck. I said it in pms too, my other house members will verify. It´s not alignment indicative as the role names are not alignment indicative. What if he is mafia and some role name that´s "town" in the lore and decided to claim it to look town? It´s all WIFOM and there is nothing alignment indicative in his claim. Or if there is, feel free to tell me why that claim could possibly not come from mafia. Fair enough. I was wrong in the "good things" part. I assumed you meant that when you said you would elect Dandel when you are 100% sure he is town. Why would you then elect someone who STILL does not do good things over yourself? I know you have said you think Dandel is town, are you 100% sure he is? Because from what i read from your post you would be if he was the lord now. Yes role names are not alignment indicative. I wasn't saying they were. The point is johnny thought they were, otherwise why claim it at all? As scum, claim role name to appear town. As town, claim role name to appear town. Now which of these is more likely with the way it went down. 'Sup veteran Lord candidate, I'm X.' Does he do this as scum? Honestly, I did not find his introducing himself immediately becoming of a loyalist, and I told him so. It's his subsequent activity, and him dealing with it, both in the confines of Highgarden and here in our public hall that I feel is indicative of his loyalist intentions. | ||
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August 09 2013 19:27 GMT
#1348
On August 10 2013 03:06 iamperfection wrote: but the perfect one thanks you for participating in this exercise i hope to see more from you going forward What the hell was that about? He answered your question just fine. Are you just trolling? | ||
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August 09 2013 19:29 GMT
#1352
On August 10 2013 04:14 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 03:56 Acrofales wrote: On August 10 2013 01:56 Koshi wrote: On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote: I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin' If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games. In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending. lol bullshit. I posted a lot in the Titanic game, but I didn't post a lot in the I swear 2 game in which I had 4 pages. I learned in the Titanic game that posting a lot is not really good for me as town. You can ask the people who were in there how it worked out. Also, in the titanic game my first day was just posting lists till it was lynchtime. You were in the TL+ Mafia game, right? I was coaching scum in that atrocity of a game and I seem to recall you as one of the few highlights of town, but the whole game was full of lurk. EVERYBODY's activity was way below acceptable. I don't see how you can have played in that game and then decided that being inactive is a good idea. If that wasn't you, then disregard. My TL+ ran out and I don't feel like paying just to make sure Yep, but that game was so bad... I might have been a town highlight because I posted something unlike 90% of the people. :D That was my first game ever actually. Or should I say "game". Well, my dear sir, that was exactly my point. I may have had a waking dream in which arcane knowledge of things called TL+ came to me, but the point stands. You were inactive in that jousting tournament. So was everybody else. It ended in a draw due to utter apathy from both teams. How can you think that being inactive benefits a game, which was the argument you made based on your activity in Titanic? | ||
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August 09 2013 19:32 GMT
#1353
On August 10 2013 04:28 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 04:27 Acrofales wrote: On August 10 2013 03:06 iamperfection wrote: but the perfect one thanks you for participating in this exercise i hope to see more from you going forward What the hell was that about? He answered your question just fine. Are you just trolling? wat What indeed. Maybe you explained it later, I have not yet gone through the latest pages of notules, but you challenged my vassal to a duel, including the use of your House swords. He accepted the challenge, and then you told him he "preempted" some later question in your little duel game and you quit in disgust. What was it about? Were you just leading him on for no good reason? Why did you challenge him? | ||
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August 09 2013 19:34 GMT
#1354
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August 09 2013 19:38 GMT
#1358
On August 10 2013 03:15 Oberyn wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 03:14 Sharrant wrote: I don't think Acrofales has ever had any intention of using the house health check. Acro told me that he informed you that he intended to use his hp check and hadn't heard back. I had heard back. By the seven, no wonder everybody thinks I'm a Blackfyre if they can't even remember what I have repeatedly said, both in private and in public. I didn't INTEND to use the KP, I THOUGHT there was a good use for it. You are all utter morons. | ||
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August 09 2013 19:45 GMT
#1366
On August 10 2013 04:17 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 04:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck, Oberyn had the best idea of the century! That's actually my idea Except your idea wouldn't work, nor would Oberyn's. We cannot coordinate during the night. We have to decide the order of shooting, WHEN people will shoot and WHO they will shoot right now. See my earlier list. | ||
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August 09 2013 19:51 GMT
#1374
On August 10 2013 04:46 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 04:44 Risen wrote: Just to note, oats was at the top of my scum list earlier. You're far from the only one. Clarity has become even more scummy to me as he has posted more. We are with 2 then... Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 04:44 Chromatically wrote: On August 10 2013 04:40 Koshi wrote: @ Chroma What is your opinion about DI. You are not allowed to use meta. Town. He's active, pushing his scumreads, and isn't constructing his posts unnaturally. Who are DI his scumreads? Oats is not my prime suspect, but I definitely don't think he's town, as you would have known if you had been reading the thread at all. | ||
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August 09 2013 19:51 GMT
#1375
On August 10 2013 04:49 Risen wrote: Easy shooting guide for night. Lord 1 fires at 10, 2 at 12, 3 at 14, etc. This isn't hard. OOC: Except that's the middle of the night and fuck you, I'm not waking up at 4 AM | ||
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August 09 2013 20:21 GMT
#1389
On August 10 2013 05:17 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 05:11 Oberyn wrote: yamato is getting on my nerves with his refusal to contribute. We shouldn't have to beg him. I told him that he was the number one vig shot between the Lords and that he really needs to start posting if he is town. His reply was essentially: "meh doubt it." It's not so much a refusal as an insidious apathy. Why are you being so obstreperous? You could just share your thoughts, and communicate freely with your lord. Even I am communicating with your lord, and I think he's a blithering idiot... and that's IN ADDITION to the inborn propensity of all Martells to be duplicitous assholes. It is STILL what a loyalist would do: we must find Blackfyres. | ||
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August 09 2013 20:30 GMT
#1400
jrkirby: in addition to being largely absent, he is completely useless. All his utterances are regarding the structure of this meeting, and he seems completely unconcerned with finding Blackfyres. FirmTofu: same story, except for his retarded case on me. His presentation of that case was suspect: why did he try to trump his "contribution" so badly? It was a non-contribution from someone who has not contributed at all during this meeting. Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch. I have spent most of the last hour puzzling over s0lstice's filter. I am no longer comfortable lynching him. He is putting real effort into analysing the meeting, and not just into defending himself. I will have to satisfy myself that the internal politics of House Baratheon are retarded, but I don't think continued analysing of why s0lstice didn't vote for DI makes much sense: he is correct that the reasons for a Blackfyre acting that way are equally farfetched to the reasons for a loyalist. I must simply discard that evidence. Is he loyal to the realm? I do not know, but I feel he is a valuable enough asset to let live for now. | ||
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August 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#1402
On August 10 2013 05:25 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 05:24 Oberyn wrote: On August 10 2013 05:22 yamato77 wrote: On August 10 2013 05:21 Acrofales wrote: On August 10 2013 05:17 yamato77 wrote: On August 10 2013 05:11 Oberyn wrote: yamato is getting on my nerves with his refusal to contribute. We shouldn't have to beg him. I told him that he was the number one vig shot between the Lords and that he really needs to start posting if he is town. His reply was essentially: "meh doubt it." It's not so much a refusal as an insidious apathy. Why are you being so obstreperous? You could just share your thoughts, and communicate freely with your lord. Even I am communicating with your lord, and I think he's a blithering idiot... and that's IN ADDITION to the inborn propensity of all Martells to be duplicitous assholes. It is STILL what a loyalist would do: we must find Blackfyres. Look, I already told you guys who to lynch. Do you want a medal for your one-liner? Do you disagree that SNB is scum? I do not trust the Lord Stark, nor do I trust his bannerman Ser Oatsmaster. But I do not feel he is suspicious enough to lynch. Why do you feel that way? I need a lot more convincing than your word, which is suspect to say the least. | ||
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August 09 2013 20:34 GMT
#1406
On August 10 2013 05:33 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 05:30 Acrofales wrote: Okay, people I want to lynch: jrkirby: in addition to being largely absent, he is completely useless. All his utterances are regarding the structure of this meeting, and he seems completely unconcerned with finding Blackfyres. FirmTofu: same story, except for his retarded case on me. His presentation of that case was suspect: why did he try to trump his "contribution" so badly? It was a non-contribution from someone who has not contributed at all during this meeting. Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch. I have spent most of the last hour puzzling over s0lstice's filter. I am no longer comfortable lynching him. He is putting real effort into analysing the meeting, and not just into defending himself. I will have to satisfy myself that the internal politics of House Baratheon are retarded, but I don't think continued analysing of why s0lstice didn't vote for DI makes much sense: he is correct that the reasons for a Blackfyre acting that way are equally farfetched to the reasons for a loyalist. I must simply discard that evidence. Is he loyal to the realm? I do not know, but I feel he is a valuable enough asset to let live for now. I find your lack of response to me disturbing. Seems opportunistic to call me scum without actually trying to interact with me at all. Why? Do I need to hold your hand as well? Tie your shoelaces perhaps? | ||
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August 09 2013 20:44 GMT
#1412
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August 09 2013 20:54 GMT
#1418
Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally. I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse. ##vote jrkirby | ||
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August 09 2013 20:55 GMT
#1420
On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything). His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. | ||
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August 09 2013 21:02 GMT
#1432
On August 10 2013 06:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 05:54 Acrofales wrote: A pressing matter has arisen in the Reach. I must return there post-haste. I should be back in time for the formal vote, but if I am not, please record that I want to lynch jrkirby, whose few contributions do not seem compatible with loyalty to the realm. I should be back in plenty of time, so feel free to continue sending me ravens. Remember my earlier speech. Please make sure to decide on a list of priorities for sending our swords after tonight, and each lord should publicize when he will send his swords in order to use them optimally. I will be around for another 15 minutes or so, while my servants saddle my horse. ##vote jrkirby I still don't really understand. He came into the thread late and talked about setup, classic newbie mistake for either alignment. What are the other points against him? How is this different from a lurker lynch? Also, is anyone other than rayn willing to lynch Onegu right now? He's a lurker who has contributed NOTHING, nor given any intention of contributing anything. Why do you think he's a loyalist? Who would you prefer we kill today? My horse is ready. Adieu! | ||
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August 10 2013 04:00 GMT
#1560
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August 10 2013 04:29 GMT
#1585
But I am too drunk and don't care enough to fight it. FT has been useles, lets kill him regardless of alignment. | ||
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August 10 2013 04:45 GMT
#1604
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August 10 2013 04:51 GMT
#1614
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August 10 2013 04:52 GMT
#1617
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August 10 2013 04:59 GMT
#1625
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August 11 2013 12:40 GMT
#1788
##vote Yamato | ||
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August 11 2013 13:05 GMT
#1798
On August 11 2013 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote: What Iamp. How come acro isnt scum for you. How come yamato is???. You keep calling me a Blackfyre pretender, but your insistence is neither convincing nor useful. Come out and fight like a man. Have me arrested and put on trial, instead of this insistent nattering. Give your evidence before the gods. | ||
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August 11 2013 13:09 GMT
#1799
On August 11 2013 14:56 Sharrant wrote: Pretty sure Yamato should be today's lynch. Iamp, Acrofales will PM you why when he's here, and you and the rest of the lords can get to lynching him. Not quite sure why you'd say this when you communicated with me in private. You have blown your own cover. Even if I had communicated by raven with the other lords, they would still need hard evidence to justify their vote to their own vassals. I was happy to speak on your behalf and protect your identity, but the gig's now up. | ||
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August 11 2013 13:28 GMT
#1809
On August 11 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro is behaving really shabby about this. So he was contacted by sharrant right? And he believes him implicitly. Then when he sees Sharrant talking about it, he doesnt wait and try and pm sharrant and ask whats going on, no he just tells the thread everything. And acts all confused. No no, bad play or Acro is scum. No you idiot. Sharrant conferred with me during the night on whom to target. He told me this morning about the results and asked me to send a raven to the other lords with his findings. Instead of communicating just with the lords, I thought this information was important enough to make public. I was never confused about anything. You're the confused one. Too much cold up there in the north has addled your brains. | ||
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August 11 2013 13:33 GMT
#1817
On August 11 2013 22:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2013 22:28 Acrofales wrote: On August 11 2013 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro is behaving really shabby about this. So he was contacted by sharrant right? And he believes him implicitly. Then when he sees Sharrant talking about it, he doesnt wait and try and pm sharrant and ask whats going on, no he just tells the thread everything. And acts all confused. No no, bad play or Acro is scum. No you idiot. Sharrant conferred with me during the night on whom to target. He told me this morning about the results and asked me to send a raven to the other lords with his findings. Instead of communicating just with the lords, I thought this information was important enough to make public. I was never confused about anything. You're the confused one. Too much cold up there in the north has addled your brains. So why do you out sharrant? Because Sharrant had outed himself already? It was completely clear, AS YOU YOURSELF DEMONSTRATED. Chronology: 1. Sharrant states in public that he has given very important information to me, and it will all be public in a while. 2. I claim that I have a detective in my house who has ferreted out that Yamato is a Blackfyre Golly. This puzzle is HARD guys. I have NO CLUE who that detective could be! | ||
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August 11 2013 13:37 GMT
#1818
On August 11 2013 22:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote: I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though. How do you talk with yamato? I may be forced to use the too dumb to be Blackfyre line. Are you drunk? While we're on the topic, how the flying fuck did the Starks think it was a good idea to elect you? I understand not electing Strongandbig again, but you are far from an improvement. Please explain the politics of Winterfell. | ||
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August 11 2013 13:40 GMT
#1819
On August 11 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What happens if A: Its a fakecheck. B: Yamato is a miller C: Yamato was framed. Hm Xata? I don't believe it's A. B would be silly in a closed setup. C is possiblle, but I think it is far more likely that: D: Yamato is a Blackfyre. So yes. Lets kill him. | ||
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August 11 2013 14:16 GMT
#1825
On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote: I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town. Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later. If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum? | ||
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August 11 2013 14:29 GMT
#1831
On August 11 2013 23:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2013 22:40 Acrofales wrote: On August 11 2013 22:18 Oatsmaster wrote: What happens if A: Its a fakecheck. B: Yamato is a miller C: Yamato was framed. Hm Xata? I don't believe it's A. B would be silly in a closed setup. C is possiblle, but I think it is far more likely that: D: Yamato is a Blackfyre. So yes. Lets kill him. Miller in a closed setup? Im shocked at your naivete Acro. Tell it clearly, Patchface, do you, or do you not support the lynching of Yamato? | ||
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August 11 2013 14:38 GMT
#1834
On August 11 2013 23:25 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2013 23:16 Acrofales wrote: On August 11 2013 23:09 Xatalos wrote: I agree that Yamato was unlikely to be framed. Miller is also a very small chance. So let's lynch Yamato. If he flips scum, Sharrant is town. I doubt Sharrant would fakeclaim like this so he probably is town. Btw Oberyn, what's the use in waiting to reveal X? It's not like you should hide his identity even if you think he has a good explanation. He's probably going to claim jailor as either alignment like Clarity said (only sensible possibility as town X -> only choice to fake as scum). Better reveal it sooner than later. If Oberyn thinks X could be town, there is no reason to reveal an actual Jailkeeper for scum to pick off. Why are you so eager to out someone who could be a jailkeeper to scum? Of course because I'm scum and I want to shoot him ASAP. Another possibility would be for Oberyn to PM iamperfection -> me. That way I heavily doubt any info would leak. But the most logical conclusion is that X is scum and unless X is someone like DI, I don't think he can be genuine. Onegu claimed so fast and reads quite townish to me anyway, I doubt he's lying atm. But... why does you knowing the identity of X serve anybody anything. All it seems to do is sate your curiosity. Yes, I also want to know what is going on in this game, but if X is a loyalist, I don't see how revealing his identity to anybody serves anything. If his resources are limited, like onegu's, then claiming in public is fine. If he has ongoing access to his resources, I feel he should protect his identity and communicate by raven (potentially multiple ravens if he must let his lord know). | ||
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August 11 2013 14:42 GMT
#1835
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August 11 2013 15:23 GMT
#1850
On August 12 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Does it matter now rayn? Ok if we lynch yamato and hes town, can I choose who we lynch d3? Most definitely not. | ||
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August 11 2013 15:39 GMT
#1860
On August 12 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don´t think yamato is town, and all my scumreads basically claimed blue.. What? So your scumreads were Oberyn, Sharrant and Onegu? Why is this nowhere to be found in your filter? And what happened to yesterday's scumreads? This is such bullshit. | ||
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August 11 2013 16:00 GMT
#1863
On August 12 2013 00:53 Onegu wrote: Rayne basicly tunneled me all of day 1... Sure. But he said ALL of his suspects. Most of yesterday he thought I was a Blackfyre, as well as Ser Wup. Neither of us have claimed to have any kind of special abilities. The other people who have claimed abilities were never suspects of his. It seems like a cheap way out of sharing his suspicions. | ||
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August 11 2013 17:35 GMT
#1919
On August 11 2013 16:33 Onegu wrote: I see no reason not to claim since my ability is 1-shot anyways. I'm a medic that chose to protect Xatalos last night. Whoever was the other person must be the roleblocker While we wait for Mr X, I want to know more about this. With variable health, and different amounts of damage done by different swords, this simple claim doesn't make a lot of sense. Do you heal someone to full if he was hurt earlier? Do you protect someone from damage on one night? And yes, I want to know this in order to decide whether this claim is believable or not. The speed and casualness seems good, but now that I am looking into it, this seems like a very strange claim, given the particularities of our world. | ||
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August 11 2013 17:38 GMT
#1921
On August 12 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 02:34 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 12 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 02:16 iamperfection wrote: On August 12 2013 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 02:08 iamperfection wrote: Like what's the point to this rayne I don't get it? The point is i would expect some cooperation in houses. Your house doesn't seem to cooperate and i would like to know why? So the fact that I didn't give them a book of how to play mafia for dummies means we don't cooperate? I asked them their thoughts on what to do and quite frankly I was going to do what I thought was best. Okay now we are getting somewhere. Why do you think Grackaroni outed the check result if you specifically asked his thoughts on what to do? Please rayn, I beg you, stop. Here, let me help you and quote the relevant posts. On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote: On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway On August 11 2013 14:32 Grackaroni wrote: On August 11 2013 14:29 Onegu wrote: On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: On August 11 2013 14:26 Onegu wrote: On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway Yeah letting scum know exactly how many KP to use doesnt make a a difference you're right that was stupid. Thanks for wasting 10 posts on this subject though. DRAW A CONCLUSION OR STFU Here is your conclusion. iamperfection and Grackaroni are doing incredibly stupid stuff if they are town. They are not working together in their house. When they are being called out from their stupid stuff they say "my bad, it was dumb". WHY THE FUCK DO TOWNIES DO STUPID STUFF WITHOUT THINKING FOR 5 MINUTES? Right, for no reason.. Jesus christ. What possible Blackfyre motivated reason is there to blab that shit in public? If Grackaroni is a Blackfyre he already has the information, so it is by definition not indicative of whether he is a pretender or not. This really says NOTHING about whether or not Grackaroni is a Blackfyre. | ||
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August 11 2013 17:39 GMT
#1923
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August 11 2013 17:41 GMT
#1925
On August 12 2013 02:39 Onegu wrote: He will not lose any HP that night, no matter how many different kp. So you are more like a protector than a doctor. Is it possible that Xatalos not being able to act last night has anything to do with you? | ||
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August 11 2013 17:45 GMT
#1929
On August 12 2013 02:41 Onegu wrote: You should really switch to a nice dornish red. That swill you drink rots your brain. Honestly, I don't understand how you sandskunks drink that sour stuff. Nothing compares to a good gold from the Arbor. But I will take it you meant to say "no, I did not prevent Xatalos from going about his business last night". | ||
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August 11 2013 17:48 GMT
#1932
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August 11 2013 17:52 GMT
#1934
On August 12 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: And after all this ridiculous stuff people are just letting this kinda stuff slip by because the guys said "my bad, it was stupid". wtf is up with you? How are you going to find mafia if every scummy thing is gonna be brushed away by sinply saying "my bad, i was dumb"? Because nothing in this action points to it being motivated by rebellious thoughts, and everything ot it being motivated by a complete lack of thought whatsoever. Sometimes dumb actions are really just dumb, and while you have gone out of your way to make up a motivation that fits a Blackfyre, you really had to go out of you way for it. The most suspicious thing with regards to the use of swords is the timing of Gumshoe's death. But that was BEFORE the use of magic was pronounced publicly. | ||
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August 11 2013 17:56 GMT
#1940
On August 12 2013 02:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: And after all this ridiculous stuff people are just letting this kinda stuff slip by because the guys said "my bad, it was stupid". wtf is up with you? How are you going to find mafia if every scummy thing is gonna be brushed away by sinply saying "my bad, i was dumb"? Because dumb does not equal scummy. If I point out something that is scummy scum can't say "yeah that was scummy my bad". If someone does something dumb and it gets pointed out they can say "yeah that was dumb my bad" You're also wrong, because strange things already happened with the kp. Gumshoe was at 1 hp from house kp and died in the nightpost. I stand by the fact that this means one of the lannisters is scum. The question is, do you think he's scum? If your answer is no then my follow-up question is what the fuck are you doing? My thoughts regarding this were in a missive to Lord Oberyn. I will simply repeat it here: Our house (House Tyrell) chose not to use our magics last night, although I was sorely tempted to when gumshoe continued to escape death. What do you make of him eventually dying at dawn? It seems strange for a Blackfyre to put the poor sod out of his misery. A rather uncharacteristic boon to the realm. But lacking further information, how did a loyalist knight know that our own swords would fail to kill him and thus deliver the killing blow? I can imagine a Blackfyre upstart jumping at the opportunity to strike the first blow and kill any loyalist, however useless, but I am having a hard time finding Blackfyre motives in House Lannister. The primary suspect, gumshoe, turned up dead (and true to the realm, the gods protect his soul) and my secondary suspicions were on Ser Xatalos, who seems unlikely now, given how the night has played out. Could some other lord have used the magic without notifying his house, in order to send this information to the blackfyres? If so, I trust we will be told of this, at a date in the future when a loyal lord of that house tries to use the magic and finds the scroll has disappeared. | ||
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August 11 2013 18:22 GMT
#1954
On August 12 2013 03:10 kushm4sta wrote: i think acro is mafia So why did you vote for me? | ||
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August 11 2013 18:24 GMT
#1957
On August 12 2013 03:17 Dandel Ion wrote: I also think acro is mafia. I think the sky is green. Too bad neither of us have any evidence. | ||
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August 11 2013 18:25 GMT
#1958
On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game. acro is my only scumread right now. 1- rolefishing? he pmed me this no idea what this even means lol 2-actually I cant even understand what he's saying because he is talking in flavor. like i can't understand what any of his posts mean at all... 3-i guess i dont have reasons lol I'd tell you to read the minutes of this meeting, but it'd be a waste of my time. | ||
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August 11 2013 18:28 GMT
#1963
On August 12 2013 03:26 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game. acro is my only scumread right now. 1- rolefishing? he pmed me this Are you Oberyn's Mr. X? If so, do you need me to pass on a message? no idea what this even means lol This is pretty bad actually Acro. Can you confirm you asked him this and please explain why. I'd also like to know if you asked anyone else. Explain to me how this is bad and I will tell you. | ||
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August 11 2013 18:32 GMT
#1968
On August 12 2013 03:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 03:28 Acrofales wrote: On August 12 2013 03:26 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game. acro is my only scumread right now. 1- rolefishing? he pmed me this Are you Oberyn's Mr. X? If so, do you need me to pass on a message? no idea what this even means lol This is pretty bad actually Acro. Can you confirm you asked him this and please explain why. I'd also like to know if you asked anyone else. Explain to me how this is bad and I will tell you. If you are town, why ask anyone specifically to tell YOU if they're a blue role? Do you think that if kush, as a blue role, would be incapable of telling us he visited xata? Because I can pass it on PRIVATELY to Oberyn without BROADCASTING a blue role to the ENTIRE BLACKFYRE REBELLION. | ||
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August 11 2013 18:35 GMT
#1976
On August 12 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote: yamato, why the fuck are you not taking this game seriously? Because he has sworn allegiance to Daemon Blackfyre and his merry band of thugs, thieves and murderers. Fucking duh. | ||
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August 12 2013 13:05 GMT
#2183
On August 12 2013 21:28 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 21:22 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 12 2013 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 21:06 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 12 2013 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 20:17 Xatalos wrote: On August 12 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: What in Ace´s posts makes him scum? Back to the drawing board with Oberyn & Onegu i guess. O&O, why do you think the guy who assumably roleblocked Xatalos did not claim? What exactly do you mean with "assumably"? Because Oberyn and Onegu fakeclaimed. Don´t get me wrong, i think it´s likely that you were rb´d/jailed but it´s not sure. I would like to hear what Oberyn and Onegu were trying to achieve by this? Because given 2 roleblock claims it´s reasonable to assume one of them is a jailkeeper. In case mafia roleblocked Clarity (which seems to be the case here) they would know they did not roleblock you. That would give them a good reason to lure out a jailer claim. I don' t think that's a reasonable assumption at all. Plausible, yes. But not so overwhelmingly likely that you should assume it. Two scum roleblockers in this large a game isn't that strange If there is a jailer xata would be a good target, if there is a town roleblocker then it makes more sense for him to target me over xata. What Oberyn & Onegu did would be a good scum strategy aswell. The strange thing here is that noone claimed the roleblock on Xata. In any case (assuming O&O are town) that player kinda has to assume they are telling the truth (especially if that player is mafia), and basically HAS to claim JK. Assume you are mafia roleblocker and rb´d Xata. Two townies claim, do you assume the watcher has your name or would you take your chances with not claiming? Assume you are town jailkeeper, why do you not claim? You're using logic that works both ways and are applying it to only one side. Could one of onegu/oberyn be scum? yeah. Could both be? I'm pretty sure not so much. That´s the point. If i was town JK i would claim. If i was scum RB´r i would claim. Unless i know the cake is a lie. I considered oberyn's claim to be a possible fakeclaim. I thought Onegu's claim was real though. If I am scum I just hope it's a fakeclaim because if I claim jailkeeper in thread I'm getting lynched regardless. No way does this happen. Lets assume for the sake of argument that Oberyn and Onegu are both loyalists. As a Blackfyre it is way too high risk to keep silent and hope it's a ploy. It would not make sense to assume a loyalist is fakeclaiming watcher. Claiming a protective jailer, however would mitigate the expected damage that the act could do. Especially since two people claimed to be locked up at home last night. It seems far more likely that: - Whoever roleblocked Xatalos was away from the hall for the entire duration of the ploy. Looking through today's notules, I see no signs of life from either Strongandbig or Vivax before their cover is blown. These seem to be the most likely targets. - Whoever roleblocked Xatalos is a fierce loyalist who is above suspicion and felt no need to blow their cover. In the latter case in particular, it is extremely likely that Oberyn or Onegu is a Blackfyre pretender: they KNEW they hadn't blocked Xatalos' actions, and concocted this plan to flush out a loyalist jailer. Given that it was Oberyn's plan and Onegu just played along, it seems more likely to be Oberyn. As a loyalist, I don't see much benefit in the whole thing: why risk flushing out an important protector of the realm? I don't trust Oberyn's intentions one bit. | ||
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August 12 2013 13:09 GMT
#2186
On August 12 2013 22:01 Onegu wrote: Still thinking and going through possibilities. Town JK claims is very townie person isnt lynched, dies at night, next day oberyn is lynched. He would trade himself for one blue. Doesnt make much sense. Why would Oberyn automatically get lynched? If the loyalist claim is made public, then too many people know to pin this back on Oberyn with any certainty. | ||
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August 12 2013 13:17 GMT
#2191
On August 12 2013 22:14 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 12 2013 22:09 Onegu wrote: and he is getting looked at alot more than he would have if he never claimed. Best case for a scum Oberyn is he trades himself for one blue. Doesnt seem legit No, if town JK did claim, there is no reason to think Oberyn is suddenly more/less scummy than he was before. It has nothing to do with Oberyn and the JK dying does not necessarily mean he is mafia. What means is that he outed a blue, whatever alignment he is. Outing a blue with a fakeclaim. Only to have that person die would look really bad on him, and I am sure people would want his lynch, its to much risk for little reward as scum. Well, you're here saying he's loyal for the exact reasons that people would say he's loyal if all this happened. Nevertheless, it all seems entirely based on wifom. There is also still the third possibility that you are a Blackfyre and that's why a Blackfyre roleblocker never claimed: Oberyn's plan was hatched by a loyalist, but immediately compromised. Until we actually get some flips or further info, it all seems like pointless wifom, though. | ||
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August 12 2013 13:27 GMT
#2195
On August 12 2013 22:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Acro why do you say one of the two has to be scum in reply to me, and then you call it "pointless wifom" in the following post? I never say that. I suggest you reread the notules of what I said. In my reply to you I am explaining how I think you're wrong about Blackfyres having balls of steel and go through the possibilities. I never reached any conclusions, because we actually need some confirmation about which situation we're in: SnB or Vivax can still be the cause for Xatalos getting locked in, and there's a pretty good chance they are Blackfyre scum (one, or both). Lord knows what their profession is, but it's possible one is a jailer. What I absolutely DON'T think is that we can just conclude Oberyn and Onegu are loyal from this, because it seems farfetched that IF Xatalos was locked in by a Blackfyre and they did not know about the plot, I believe they 100% WOULD have claimed. | ||
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August 12 2013 13:34 GMT
#2199
On August 10 2013 10:44 jrkirby wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 10:39 johnnywup wrote: On August 10 2013 09:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: johnnywup can you start making them? Who do you think is mafia? im not pretending i have lol but that doesn't make me scum and i can start making them but im not really motivated to atm. if i were to pick one from every house it would be sharrant ft oats gumshoe koshi onegu i haven't been paying as much attention this game tbh and im losing interest as people continue thinking im scum. it's too much effort to prove my inoccence. if you guys think it's a good idea to kill me just night kill me and don't waste any discussion on me and try to find actual scum. im really close to not giving a shit anymore Why did you sign up if you're not really gonna play? Said the pot to the kettle | ||
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August 12 2013 13:36 GMT
#2203
On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote: Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. You're right on jrkirby. I have to say that I forgot he was even in the game. Koshi posted and seemed aware of what was happening. | ||
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August 12 2013 13:44 GMT
#2212
On August 12 2013 22:36 Clarity_nl wrote: Erm, I bolded the entire last paragraph but I disagree with excluding the possibility that scum was around but gambled on the fact that oberyn fakeclaimed. Well, when people make weird claims I am pretty good at calling them out on it, but this one-two went right by me. I briefly considered the possibility with both being a Martell, but was quick to conclude it was just a coincidence. Watching Xatalos is not very farfetched, and the clame timing makes sense as well: he watched someone get locked up at home. Not as damning as watching a kill happen, but has a good chance of flushing out Blackfyres. So the claim made sense. A Blackfyre reaching this conclusion and deciding to gamble his life on Oberyn not knowing his name seems really unlikely. I don't see how you can think otherwise. | ||
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August 12 2013 13:55 GMT
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August 12 2013 14:04 GMT
#2230
Obviously this was all largely academic when I thought you had been locked up and Oberyn had watched someone lock you in at home. Now that the latter is no longer corroborative evidence, I am not quite as sure on how to continue. Your contributions have still been extremely subpar, and your style of discourse is not nearly as fluffy as I remember from your previous escapades. For now it doesn't matter as we will kill the rogue Yamato. | ||
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August 12 2013 14:05 GMT
#2231
On August 12 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 22:55 Acrofales wrote: @Oberyn: I probably should have waited with revealing the detective's information, but I saw the PM urging me to talk to the other lords and saw no point in just telling the lords, so I told the general populace. Waiting may have revealed some associative tells from Yamato and may have been the better course of action. Your kinsman has not been taking our meeting seriously since its very start, though, so I don't think we missed out on much. Why didnt you talk with Sharrant instead of outing him? He was already outed? You should come south, my dear Lord Stark. All that cold is freezing your brain to the point of utter uselessness. | ||
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August 12 2013 14:09 GMT
#2235
On August 12 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 23:05 Acrofales wrote: On August 12 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 12 2013 22:55 Acrofales wrote: @Oberyn: I probably should have waited with revealing the detective's information, but I saw the PM urging me to talk to the other lords and saw no point in just telling the lords, so I told the general populace. Waiting may have revealed some associative tells from Yamato and may have been the better course of action. Your kinsman has not been taking our meeting seriously since its very start, though, so I don't think we missed out on much. Why didnt you talk with Sharrant instead of outing him? He was already outed? You should come south, my dear Lord Stark. All that cold is freezing your brain to the point of utter uselessness. He is in your house right? I and I dont think anyone else thought he was the cop before you posted that yamato got checked. Yeah yeah. You're a Blackfyre. Nobody is really this stupid. | ||
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August 12 2013 14:35 GMT
#2266
On August 11 2013 21:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats extremely bad play if Sharrant is cop then. Everyone saw Sharrant saying that Acro had VERY good reason to think Yamato is scum. If you, the epitome of dumb can figure it out, then everybody else already had as well. No point in trying to hide it. | ||
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August 12 2013 14:50 GMT
#2280
On August 12 2013 23:45 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 23:42 Oberyn wrote: Something I'm considering at the moment is if yamato is our Mr. X, he believed to have been watched, and a red check appears on him for town cred. I suppose we will need to wait for the flip on that one though. Wait. When did Sharrant tell Acro he had a red check? Was it before or after Oberyn fakeclaimed? Firstly, he claimed at night. Second, I just went over the timestamps and I received the result PM from him before Oberyn posted his claim. | ||
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August 12 2013 14:53 GMT
#2282
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August 12 2013 15:26 GMT
#2305
On August 13 2013 00:22 s0Lstice wrote: Acro, is Rayn scum? Sec, checking scumQT. | ||
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August 12 2013 15:41 GMT
#2313
On August 13 2013 00:28 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 00:26 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 00:22 s0Lstice wrote: Acro, is Rayn scum? Sec, checking scumQT. nah don't think you'll find him there. is he or is he not? I dunno. I'm patiently gathering evidence on him. | ||
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August 12 2013 15:56 GMT
#2316
On August 13 2013 00:43 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 00:41 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 00:28 s0Lstice wrote: On August 13 2013 00:26 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 00:22 s0Lstice wrote: Acro, is Rayn scum? Sec, checking scumQT. nah don't think you'll find him there. is he or is he not? I dunno. I'm patiently gathering evidence on him. What was said to you in PMs from the other lords on day 1 that made you unvote Rayn, what about it was compelling to cause the unvote, and what conclusion did you reach in response to those PMs? It's all in yesterday's minutes. I don't think anything much of consequence regarding rayn happened in private that hasn't already been posted here? I went over my PMs, but there isn't anything in there that I haven't already posted. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 16:11 GMT
#2324
On August 13 2013 01:05 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 00:56 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 00:43 s0Lstice wrote: On August 13 2013 00:41 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 00:28 s0Lstice wrote: On August 13 2013 00:26 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 00:22 s0Lstice wrote: Acro, is Rayn scum? Sec, checking scumQT. nah don't think you'll find him there. is he or is he not? I dunno. I'm patiently gathering evidence on him. What was said to you in PMs from the other lords on day 1 that made you unvote Rayn, what about it was compelling to cause the unvote, and what conclusion did you reach in response to those PMs? It's all in yesterday's minutes. I don't think anything much of consequence regarding rayn happened in private that hasn't already been posted here? I went over my PMs, but there isn't anything in there that I haven't already posted. Unless I'm missing it, I don't see any specific details regarding the PMs from johnny and iamp that you cited as cause for your unvote of Rayn. You mentioned that they said your evidence wasn't strong, but were they also telling you he is town because of [reasons]? Insofar as I recall neither of them gave reasons for him being town, they just told me my tunnel was absurd. Maybe I am forgetting something from one of them explaining why he's town, but it was mainly getting yelled at to stop tunneling and start looking at other people. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 16:25 GMT
#2329
On August 13 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote: Acro, stop insulting people please. Since you claimed that one scumread of yours is dead and the other now not suspicious anymore, I have not seen any efforts from you in figuring out who else could be scum. What's your take on Koshi, johnny and S & B? Null leaning town, townish, useless (so probably scum, but I thought the same in PTP where he was useless inactive town, so put a "question mark, but would shoot" there instead). You yourself are about on par with SnB. I am used to you being a giant disruptive presence with decent intuition, but horrible at convinceing people when town. You are clearly not that. Apparently your only redeeming quality is pushing hard for lynching Yamato in private. In the list of utterly shite lurkers you forgot jrkirby. Kush has been so blatantly useless I find it hard to think of him as scum: I'd expect him to be a more careful blendy kind of useless, rather than a "haha, in your face, I'm useless, deal with it". Rayn you'll hear more on when I'm ready. Ace could be scum, but fucked if I know. He hasn't even read the thread yet. No reason to worry about him today. Honestly, I haven't put much effort into today. Between a red check and claiming scum, Yamato is a perfect lynch target, and there's plenty of lurkers who I would be happy to shoot with lordly power. The rest can wait til tomorrow. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 16:33 GMT
#2333
On August 13 2013 01:09 Onegu wrote: Can we shoot Grack tonight he has info it shouldnt be possible for him to have. What is the information he had, but shouldn't have had? Is it that your house wasn't talking to each other? Is that information actually true? (at least at the time) | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 16:41 GMT
#2336
On August 13 2013 01:26 strongandbig wrote: okay i'm back after reading the previous ~45 pages of thread. i've been camping with my girlfriend for the weekend. the limited activity was because (1) bad cell reception and more importantly (2) lack of interest in mafia when camping with my girlfriend. I see that people are calling me scum because my activity dropped off, all i'll say to them for now is that if you think occasional inactivity is something I only show in scum games then you're either scum or lazy as fuck. I want to talk specifically to what vivax said about my pms during night 1. It's true that I was very malleable as regards where to send the KP. The plan from iamperfection and rayn was made while I was gone, and I hadn't read the thread at that point. I sent in the KP after reading gumshoe's filter and deciding that he was a good enough choice for a lurker shot, and I sent it as soon as I finished reading the thread because I was something like half an hour late for my assigned time slot, and didn't want to fuck up their plan for sending in the KP sequentially. But anyway, it seems the reason most people have been calling me scum isn't for anything I did, but for stopping paying attention to the game over the weekend. So the best way to shut that down is to start caring/paying attention, no? Yet another paragon of useful contribution. After reading 45 pages you must have something to say about the CONTENT of those pages, no? The Redwyne fleet is ready to sail north and stab you in the face. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 18:48 GMT
#2404
The reason I had that impression must therefore have either come from Oberyn, Yamato, kirby and Onegu's public pronunciations, or it came from Grackaroni, which would be rather damning. I will read the minutes of the relevant parts and report back. For now I withhold judgement of Ser Grack. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 18:56 GMT
#2408
On August 13 2013 03:51 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 03:45 Oberyn wrote: On August 13 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote: On August 13 2013 03:26 Chromatically wrote: Yeah I don't see how this Grack thing is scummy at all. Do you think there is a mole in the Lannister House? If so is it JrKirby, iamp, or Grack? Just to clarify, Jrkirby is not a Lannister (And if he is, we've got a nice dungeon cellar for him) Ah yeah. Sorry... Was trying to trap Chrom but that didn't work out well lol...... You were trying to "trap" your own lord by insinuating a Martell was a Lannister? I am intrigued by this plot and would love an explanation of how that works. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 19:28 GMT
#2420
On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:39 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:10 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:05 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:04 Oatsmaster wrote: exactly, it doesnt help you. Me knowing your reads on players in your own house who you have PM contact with doesn't help me? Think for a second, Oats, this isn't difficult. you knowing my town reads on people doesnt help you. fuck you too yamato. How am I supposed to evaluate your alignment if I don't know your reads? lol, umad. um what? you are so full of shit its spilling out. Fine, I'll just let you do whatever is you're going to do this game and someone else from your house will come and be useful. yeah stop taking that retarded attitude. Face it. You have no reason to know my house full of townreads. You have not even told us the members in your house. And I am loath to call someone a hypocrite, but sadly, thats what you are. I'm not a hypocrite, because no one has specifically asked me to tell them the members of my house, nor have I commented on my opinion of them. Why are you so resistant? What are you REALLY hiding? Wait. So you ask me to tell you the members of my house. And when I dont, im scummy. But when you dont, its cause 'no one asked' BULLSHIT YAMATO. Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2013 15:45 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:39 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 15:10 yamato77 wrote: On August 08 2013 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] you knowing my town reads on people doesnt help you. fuck you too yamato. How am I supposed to evaluate your alignment if I don't know your reads? lol, umad. um what? you are so full of shit its spilling out. Fine, I'll just let you do whatever is you're going to do this game and someone else from your house will come and be useful. yeah stop taking that retarded attitude. Face it. You have no reason to know my house full of townreads. You have not even told us the members in your house. And I am loath to call someone a hypocrite, but sadly, thats what you are. I'm not a hypocrite, because no one has specifically asked me to tell them the members of my house, nor have I commented on my opinion of them. Why are you so resistant? What are you REALLY hiding? Wait. So you ask me to tell you the members of my house. And when I dont, im scummy. But when you dont, its cause 'no one asked' BULLSHIT YAMATO. Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. how can you take that condecending attitude?? How. What a dick. Why havent you talked to them? I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information. Quite a bit later: On August 09 2013 02:46 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 00:00 iamperfection wrote: yamato when you get a chance can you break down how your election went down I'm a little confused. I wanted to be lord, but I didn't really have time to exchange PMs until most of the votes had been decided, and Oberyn was chosen. As of right now, I'm not dissatisfied with this. As for the rest of the game, I've only had time to read over it once, and I won't be back until later. Hopefully by then some of this PM drama will be clearer than it is now. However, Onegu states the contrary: + Show Spoiler [Onegu's point of view] + On August 08 2013 17:07 Onegu wrote: Im not. Why do you think I am. Eventually everyone will have to give out reads it is mafia. With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you, the first being vote for me Im the best choice as I have the most xp. After out our house I have moved you to null/ town while you outing our house gives scum info, no reason for you as scum to give out the info because scum would already have it. Oberyn enters the discussion with a brief blurb: + Show Spoiler [looong speech] + On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: Lords and Ladies of Westeros, Allow me to present to you all a bottle of our finest Dornish wine as a sign of good faith. I've even prepared a special blend as a gift to the Lord of Highgarden. Similar to a game of resistance, pulling off a strong day one can spiral the game out of control. If a group of Lords is able to pull off a successful lynch, then they should continue to be elected. Everyone doesn't deserve a turn as Lord. It should go to the most town player, even if they aren't necessarily the most experienced. I believe that the Lord kp can be distinguished from the mafia kp based on the fact that the Lord kp is sent in instantly. We can use our 1-shot HP check ability by checking a target before and after the shot to confirm that the Lord is not lying. We can also use the 1-shot HP check before and after mafia night hits to try to determine who was targeted by the mafia kp and survived. I suggest that if the HP check is used, the Lord share it with 1-2 of their strongest town reads to try to keep the information in a town circle, rather than making easier for the mafia team to pick off players. I'm assuming they have no idea how many kp it's going to take to eliminate a player, so a Lord who uses their 1-shot ability early in day one is going to be suspicious. Lords can also coordinate kp to focus on 1-2 targets that we want to flip. If we use it as a double lynch of sorts, it removes the power from the individuals and places it in the town's hands. It is much more useful for us to have scummy players flip, rather than distribute the kp among multiple targets. With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. As the identities of the individuals of my house have been revealed, I might as well report what I have found so far. Onegu has been the most willing to discuss things via pm so far. We was willing to vote for me before we even spoke, but I have no issue with that. The only thing I found weird was that he suggested we use our HP check right away, which doesn't seem to really benefit town and would provide information to the mafia team about how they should use their kp. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. yamato has come off the first in pms from n0. He wanted to be elected Lord on the basis of experience, but he was very reserved in PMs. Any generic questions that I sent his way to get the conversation going he ignored and called them unimportant. I had thought I caught yamato and jrkirby in a scum slip when kirby said he had sent yamato a few pms, while yamato said he didn't receive any, but it appears that jrkirby had been sending them to yamato, rather than yamato77. Dandel Ion finding himself unable to get elected seems like the most interesting part of the game so far. Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? I'm disappointed I haven't received a PM from one of my fellow Lords. I'll be getting in touch with you shortly. I promise, I don't bite...most of the time. ~ Lord Oberyn of House Martell ~ From this I can see how someone in the public could think that House Martell is not particularly active, but it would in fact be indicative of NOT following the public debate properly and relying mainly on Yamato's viewpoint. While Yamato has said it clearest and most often, both Onegu and Oberyn contradict it. Jrkirby himself is completely silent on the matter. Honestly, I don't think this displays Grackaroni having inside information, as the information is there. While you could make the point that because Yamato is a Blackfyre pretender, this would also be the opinion that prevails in their private channel, you can absolutely not make the case that it is ONLY in private that this information was communicated. I have taken the liberty of going through the annals of Ser Grack's public speeches and see no indication of him being a Blackfyre. He posts very freely and he has ran ahead of himself and blabbed information, not once, but twice, that his House may have wanted to keep private. I feel it is incredibly unlikely that after doing this once and being yelled at and suspected of Blackfyre intentions, a true Blackfyre would repeat the same mistake. It seems more likely a loyalist would make this mistake twice. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 19:35 GMT
#2423
Since then he has disappeared except to come in every now and then to yell that person X or Y is a Blackfyre. In the past, he has always shown a lot of interest in uncovering plots, and while he may not always be the friendliest fellow, he is more useful than he is today. I feel we should really look at Ser Ion tomorrow. Funky stuff happened in Baratheon politics and a Dragon amongst the Stags would explain a lot. The whole house should be scrutinized tomorrow, but Ser Ion should not be given a free pass just because he has been an outspoken loudmouth. He really hasn't said much of anything useful. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 19:59 GMT
#2436
On August 13 2013 04:56 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 04:47 Risen wrote: I may not have written it in the case, but that would have simply weakened my case and distracted from it. I felt the interaction between you two was important. That's not very concrete so it didn't make the post. Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before? I don't even.. How can my connection with DI be your ONLY reason for suspecting him when you made a whole case against him without even mentioning me at all? Your thought patterns are so full of holes. The reason why nobody took your post seriously was because it was too bad to consider. There have been people suspecting DI all game for different (bad) reasons. The situation hasn't really changed to any direction. Acro isn't even really suspecting him now I think, just softpushing him in case he gets a chance to vote for him at some point. Oh, I'm suspecting him. There's just no point in jumping the gun and yelling HE'S A BLACKFYRE and waving my arms when there are still a minimum of 80 hours before we can do anything about it. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 20:06 GMT
#2439
On August 13 2013 05:06 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 04:59 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 04:56 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 04:47 Risen wrote: I may not have written it in the case, but that would have simply weakened my case and distracted from it. I felt the interaction between you two was important. That's not very concrete so it didn't make the post. Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before? I don't even.. How can my connection with DI be your ONLY reason for suspecting him when you made a whole case against him without even mentioning me at all? Your thought patterns are so full of holes. The reason why nobody took your post seriously was because it was too bad to consider. There have been people suspecting DI all game for different (bad) reasons. The situation hasn't really changed to any direction. Acro isn't even really suspecting him now I think, just softpushing him in case he gets a chance to vote for him at some point. Oh, I'm suspecting him. There's just no point in jumping the gun and yelling HE'S A BLACKFYRE and waving my arms when there are still a minimum of 80 hours before we can do anything about it. You haven't taken any hard stances at any point though. You've only made weak lists and softpushed a lot of people. When are you going to start pushing things? Hello Pot, I'm Kettle! | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 20:14 GMT
#2443
In fact, the only one I can be sure of that you suspect of being a Blackfyre is me, and I have felt zero pressure from you. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 20:17 GMT
#2444
On August 13 2013 05:10 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 04:59 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 04:56 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 04:47 Risen wrote: I may not have written it in the case, but that would have simply weakened my case and distracted from it. I felt the interaction between you two was important. That's not very concrete so it didn't make the post. Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before? I don't even.. How can my connection with DI be your ONLY reason for suspecting him when you made a whole case against him without even mentioning me at all? Your thought patterns are so full of holes. The reason why nobody took your post seriously was because it was too bad to consider. There have been people suspecting DI all game for different (bad) reasons. The situation hasn't really changed to any direction. Acro isn't even really suspecting him now I think, just softpushing him in case he gets a chance to vote for him at some point. Oh, I'm suspecting him. There's just no point in jumping the gun and yelling HE'S A BLACKFYRE and waving my arms when there are still a minimum of 80 hours before we can do anything about it. the point is persuading the lords who to lordshoot, that is less than 80 hours away right? thats why im still going on about risen atm anyway I think DI would be a terrible stabbing, and seeing as I am a lord, I am happy to coordinate our swords in our small council. For the record, I think Risen would be a pretty bad target for stabbing as well. Your case against him was refreshing, but I am not convinced and am really looking forward to his case on Rayn. You know what. Birds, stone, and stuff. @Xatalos: write up a case on whoever you feel is most deserving and I'll write out my thoughts on Rayn. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 20:43 GMT
#2451
On August 13 2013 05:21 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 05:14 Acrofales wrote: Not only am I comparing myself to you, but I am claiming that I have been more transparent and have been pushing my scumspects harder than you have, consistently, throughout the game. In fact, the only one I can be sure of that you suspect of being a Blackfyre is me, and I have felt zero pressure from you. .............. What have you done except throwing slight suspicion at most people in the game? What I have done: - Pressured grackaroni during N0 (for his passive attitude to the vote) - Pushed you for most of the game, ranging from slight suspicion to great suspicion - Pushed Risen starting earlier today - Softpushed several more people (every push can't be a hard push sadly) You haven't pushed me, I can attest to that. At best you are starting now, but your earlier suspicions can be summarized by you every now and then interjecting that you think I'm a Blackfyre, with no reasons or any useful pressure to speak of. I have been ignoring it until now because of the utter lack of conviction behind it and figure it is just the same as in PTP when you had nonsense reasons that just went away during the game. You started "pushing" Risen AFTER Strongandbig's case. I call that bandwagoning. You have not made an original case this entire game. I have no idea whether you pushed Grack or not, because it happened at night, in private missives. As for softpushing, if it was any softer than you pushed me, it must have had an adverse effect. In fact, it probably did, because I can't remember any of it. I remember some of your town reads, but that is it. Your liege seems to think you are a loyalist, and the happenings at night seem to indicate that also, but I find your claims to activity beyond preposterous. Now make that case on me or shut up about it. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 21:15 GMT
#2478
It first got my attention when he was excessively pedantic over a small mistake I made. Even accounting for differences in Common between the Iron Isles and the Reach, it was clear to everybody else that I had simply confused matters, yet Rayn went on and on and on WITHOUT a point: On August 09 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:36 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Quote me please Acrofales. Where ever i give an opinion on Grack? Nowhere? Stags, Krakens, Lions, it's all the same to me. I'm here to catch Dragon pretenders. Then what do you mean by this: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Acrofales do you think Grackaroni is mafia? All I know about Grackaroni is what you have told me, which is not conclusive at all. How am I to form an opinion without more information about your internal bickerings over there on those godforsaken isles? ????? There was no point to be made. He wasn't protesting his innocence. He wasn't catching me out on something that could come from a Blackfyre, he was just being pedantic. While not necessarily indicative of being a Blackfyre, there is clearly no loyalist motive for being so pedantic and sidetracking the conversation, so he had perked my interest. My next discussion with him was what made me really made me suspect him, and everybody already knows about it, but I will repeat it in different words, just to make it clear, again. Here is my earlier speech, from the archives, and I suggest you read it: On August 09 2013 08:11 Acrofales wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 07:57 johnnywup wrote: Acro, I'm confused. What are you talking about? Keep in mind the rest of the thread can't read the PMs between you two. Okay, here's what happened. Not being able to cite from my Maester's records is really complicating this matter. I told rayn that we were having a discussion in our house about the use of our healing magic and asked him what he thought was the best use of it. In particular, my original question mentioned that it seemed risky to use, as had been emphasized to me by both the Red Viper and Sharrant: if the information falls into the pretenders' hands, they will be able to better use their armies, whereas the advantage for coordinating our own swords seems secondary to this. Rayn answered with a similar observation, and seemed suspicious of WHY I thought it might be advantageous to use now. I answered that I initially had thought that it could be useful to coordinate our loyalist swords in order to not overcommit on any particular Blackfyre suspect. But I emphasized that the risk was greater than the reward. I also made an allusion to the plan concocted by Sharrant, the Red Viper and myself to perhaps catch Blackfyre scum using our magics, but this plan relies somewhat on secrecy and I am not divulging its workings in public. This post triggered the initial outburst in the thread, where rayn basically called me out for being a Blackfyre myself based on my supposed will to use the magic immediately. After I recognized what he might have misinterpreted in my original answer, I offered him an olive branch, pointing out what was probably the root of the misunderstanding and thinking I might have overreacted with his "misrepresenting my words". His response to that was that he would back down from his accusations if I told him about the plan. I don't take well to being blackmailed, and I certainly don't think blackmailing someone is a loyalist attitude. I am now convinced he is a Blackfyre infiltrant who is desperate for this information that might put a stop to their dastardly plans. A brief summary: he offered to back down from his accusations if I gave him information that could potentially hurt the Blackfyre cause. The details of the plan are irrelevant, because neither he, nor I, knew the "plan" had been posted in public hours ago by this point. He was trying to strongarm me into giving information that a loyalist would not need, nor want. The obvious reason is because he is a Blackfyre Since then I have been gathering evidence: Careful probing of Baratheon politics Raynpelikoneet is very happy to meddle and probe and fiddle and try to figure out what is happening, but at no point does he draw any conclusions. Nowhere does he mention anything about whether anything that happened in Baratheon was a Blackfyre plot. Here are his posts, it is a running commentary, with some slapdash questions: if anything, he is trying to figure out what happened, not whether there were questionable motives involved: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2013 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi did you replace in before or after Dandel replaced out? (in NWM, not this game) On August 08 2013 23:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Solstice and Chromatically, could you comment on this DI/Koshi thingy? Which side of this do yout interactions with them support? Or is it something else? On August 09 2013 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah Solstice´s logic is really fishy. That last post is his "conclusion". It is about as stand-offish and non-committal as you can get, just waiting for other people to voice their opinion. When they do, he is finally ready to voice his opinion: On August 10 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, we need to start deciding stuff soon. iamp, i am okay with your proposed shot. Lord KP should be used to vig lurkers, at least on N1. How many of the lords do we want to vig a single target? 2? more? For me 2 seems fine. As for lynch targets, so far i think: Solstice - I called his thought process fishy earlier. This is what i meant. Solstice does not want Dandel to be a lord. He says, when Dandel is town, he probably does good stuff as a lord. When he is scum, he will most likely out himself. Then he doesn´t want to elect Dandel, because he can´t be sure if he is town. I don´t like that, at all. By Solstice´s thinking, he should definitely elect Dandel and noone else. It will give him a near 100% read on Dandel, as he himself said. Why does he not want to immediately figure out Dandel´s alignment? Later on he says that "Dandel will out him either way". Has he? I see no mention of Dandel´s alignment by Solstice after that. <snip> Remember guys! I was the first to call his logic bad. I didn't draw any conclusions at the time, but now that all of you think he's a Blackfyre, I am ready to support that. Just remember that I got there first! I will now rehash other people's arguments as if they are my own. Completely unconvincing. Also note the lack of a vote. About as non-committal a way of calling someone a Blackfyre as I have ever seen. The Stark suspicion Concurrently with the clusterfuck that happened in House Baratheon, the Starks were spilling their dirty laundry as well. Once again, Rayn is very careful to skirt the fray without diving in: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote: What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote: What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote: What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place? On August 09 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can these other reason be told in thread SnB? If they somehow prove Clarity is town we are wasting time in this because this in my opinion does not 100% prove Clarity is scum. At least yet. On August 09 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: SnB, Clarity and REDACTED: Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town? You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that? On August 09 2013 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 02:41 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 09 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: SnB, Clarity and REDACTED: Why can´t you just tell what the reasons for REDACTED is to think Clarity is town? You are pushing the issue under the carpet after making such a scene out of it first. Why is that? I'm sure REDACTED will be here at some point and if I'm in danger of being lynched he'll probably share it. Assume he didn't have a read on me, would you want to lynch me? If i wanted, i would be voting for you. I do not know, that´s why i am trying to focus on other stuff. I am missing a part of information i fell is important to have a better read on you. Someone can give me that information but 3 people are refusing to do so. It´s retarded. What do you think of FT & Onegu? On August 09 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity. So events happened like this. I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever. Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? I read all of this and i´m like wtf? I am clueless.. There are some more, but they are just more of the same Of particular interest are the one that I bolded in red, and the last one. In both, he desperately wants someone else to take the lead and TELL him what to think of this. My conclusion from reading Oats' response was: I see no reason for Clarity to do this as a Blackfyre. It is at worst, a null tell. Oats' weird reaction test seemed more like it came from a Blackfyre motive, although none of it is very conclusive. But what struck me as weird is Rayn wants people to tell him what to think. If someone else thought it was suspicious he could then easily jump on the wagon. Chasing lynchbait In my humble opinion, johnnywup is the most obvious lynchbait in the thread. Rayn spends a lot of time going after him. In fact, it is the only suspect he has not yet recanted on. But he did forget about who his suspects were... On August 12 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don´t think yamato is town, and all my scumreads basically claimed blue.. On August 12 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: besides johnnywup.. Making suspects up on the spot? Hell yeah. Checked that tickbox. The suspects are SO real that he forgets about them! In closing, Rayn is a Blackfyre pretender, and we should kill him tomorrow. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 12 2013 21:20 GMT
#2482
On August 13 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 05:17 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 05:10 strongandbig wrote: On August 13 2013 04:59 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 04:56 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 04:47 Risen wrote: I may not have written it in the case, but that would have simply weakened my case and distracted from it. I felt the interaction between you two was important. That's not very concrete so it didn't make the post. Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before? I don't even.. How can my connection with DI be your ONLY reason for suspecting him when you made a whole case against him without even mentioning me at all? Your thought patterns are so full of holes. The reason why nobody took your post seriously was because it was too bad to consider. There have been people suspecting DI all game for different (bad) reasons. The situation hasn't really changed to any direction. Acro isn't even really suspecting him now I think, just softpushing him in case he gets a chance to vote for him at some point. Oh, I'm suspecting him. There's just no point in jumping the gun and yelling HE'S A BLACKFYRE and waving my arms when there are still a minimum of 80 hours before we can do anything about it. the point is persuading the lords who to lordshoot, that is less than 80 hours away right? thats why im still going on about risen atm anyway I think DI would be a terrible stabbing, and seeing as I am a lord, I am happy to coordinate our swords in our small council. For the record, I think Risen would be a pretty bad target for stabbing as well. Your case against him was refreshing, but I am not convinced and am really looking forward to his case on Rayn. You know what. Birds, stone, and stuff. @Xatalos: write up a case on whoever you feel is most deserving and I'll write out my thoughts on Rayn. I think you're quite deserving but iamperfection keeps saying me you're town so I try to hold back. Otherwise I'm starting to lean town on strongandbig and Koshi. The ones I have mostly started to lean scum on are Risen, jrkirby, Vivax and Ace. I think I've made my point about Risen already at several points in my filter today so let's make a case on jrkirby. 1) Lurking pretty hard but trying to look like he's making some effort at least. This even had me mistaking him as town earlier. But on second thought, this is exactly the most scummy position: overall useless, but appears to be a bit useful. This is the classic scum play. 2) Very soft and wishy-washy in his accusations. I dare you to read through his posts and find even one clear stance about anything. You could argue that about his "scumlist" post, maybe, but it was basically just a list of names that he didn't do anything with. Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 06:11 jrkirby wrote: On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: My discussions with Dandel had me leaning town on him. Like I've been telling both Chrom and Dandel though, I really am not comfortable with Dandel as a lord until I am completely sure he is town. As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. Just a total waste of our first cycle abilities. At the time, I had to assume that house KP could even be strong enough to kill someone. So thats another strike. A typical scum player is not trying to be obv scum and therefore is unlikely to be so cavalier with these. The risk of scum Dandel trolling his way to the lynch block and me being wrong with my early town read made him unelectable to me for the first cycle. Ok, you're leaning town on him, but your afraid of electing him because electing him will allow us to know for sure if he's scum? Is anyone else thinking this logic is dumb? Catching a guaranteed scum for giving mafia an extra KP and HP check is totally worth it. And you didn't even think that was likely. So... why not vote for him? + Show Spoiler + I just got caught up on the thread. Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok, finally caught up again. This thread grew 15 pages while I was reading 10. People I want lynched/shot: 1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here. 2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this? 3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case. 4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance. Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 09:42 jrkirby wrote: I just checked tofu's filter. Yeah, that guys is always way more active than this. That's not guaranteed scum, but it certainly is a sign. Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 09:52 jrkirby wrote: Why does s&b say: On August 10 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote: i also wouldn't mind lynching acro for playing in character. That seems scummy. It would make sense if he asked acro to stop playing in character, but lynch him for it? Also this is after Oberyn puts his vote on acro. Perhaps he's trying to push a wagon on someone he knows is town. The rest of his filter seems fine, but that's pretty scummy there. 3) Likes to fill his filter with useless setup speculation when the topic was already over with. Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote: Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet? I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why: 1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house. 2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start. 3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum. 4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time. 5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps. 6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful). 7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on. 8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum. 9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency. I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists: 1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. 4) What originally got my attention was Oberyn's post about yamato and jrkirby not being interested to PM with each other. This line of thought is even confirmed by jrkirby himself: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 06:58 jrkirby wrote: On August 10 2013 06:54 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote: Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too. Could you explain this please? The first PM I got from onegu was that we should elect oberyn because he was experienced. I PM'd Oberyn a bunch before deciding to elect oberyn, but the campaign kinda started with onegu. Without the association though, this isn't inherently scummy in my opinion. He doesn't mention yamato at all regarding the process to elect Oberyn? So there you go. Your turn, Acro. Really???? Your major case is on a lurker who us noble folk already want to stab? The case on jrkirby is far far simpler than that and there was no need to quote any of his posts. His D1 was terribad, he has gone afk and from Martell politics it looks like he's in cahoots with Yamato. Lets kill! Now tell me something I didn't know. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#2486
On August 13 2013 05:54 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote: Someone other than us two answer this. Does anyone think I could possibly be more wishy-washy than Acro? Even a single person? Anyone who reads the filter will tell you Acro is softer. Whether this is a product of the RP or not is another thing entirely. I don't like how Acro defended me just now, especially in conjunction with my case on Shar. Yeah, I'm done defending you. I was waiting for a case on Rayn, who is confirmed scum according to you. Instead we get some fucking bonkers connection case on Sharrant. Yes, he's a lurker. But no, he's not scum. He's lurking town, or a fucking ballzy scum. Like, insanely so. I guess he could have looked through my filter and decided I would definitely mention SOME Blackfyre pretender if he asked me whom to check, but I don't get the feeling at all that that is what happened. All the rest is ridiculous speculation. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 12 2013 21:29 GMT
#2488
On August 13 2013 05:57 Oberyn wrote: While there is more merit to a detective with a red check being mafia than usual in this case, I don't think he's a great night shot and would rather have him discussed for a lynch at some point in the future. It's worth noting that Sharrant claimed a 1-shot cop at a point where the thread believed a 1-shot medic existed and yamato put no effort into fighting the red check. Actually he claimed 1-shot cop wayyyy before that. But that was in private, so there's not much I can do except tell you to trust me. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 12 2013 21:46 GMT
#2495
On August 13 2013 06:31 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 06:20 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 05:17 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 05:10 strongandbig wrote: On August 13 2013 04:59 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 04:56 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 04:47 Risen wrote: I may not have written it in the case, but that would have simply weakened my case and distracted from it. I felt the interaction between you two was important. That's not very concrete so it didn't make the post. Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before? I don't even.. How can my connection with DI be your ONLY reason for suspecting him when you made a whole case against him without even mentioning me at all? Your thought patterns are so full of holes. The reason why nobody took your post seriously was because it was too bad to consider. There have been people suspecting DI all game for different (bad) reasons. The situation hasn't really changed to any direction. Acro isn't even really suspecting him now I think, just softpushing him in case he gets a chance to vote for him at some point. Oh, I'm suspecting him. There's just no point in jumping the gun and yelling HE'S A BLACKFYRE and waving my arms when there are still a minimum of 80 hours before we can do anything about it. the point is persuading the lords who to lordshoot, that is less than 80 hours away right? thats why im still going on about risen atm anyway I think DI would be a terrible stabbing, and seeing as I am a lord, I am happy to coordinate our swords in our small council. For the record, I think Risen would be a pretty bad target for stabbing as well. Your case against him was refreshing, but I am not convinced and am really looking forward to his case on Rayn. You know what. Birds, stone, and stuff. @Xatalos: write up a case on whoever you feel is most deserving and I'll write out my thoughts on Rayn. I think you're quite deserving but iamperfection keeps saying me you're town so I try to hold back. Otherwise I'm starting to lean town on strongandbig and Koshi. The ones I have mostly started to lean scum on are Risen, jrkirby, Vivax and Ace. I think I've made my point about Risen already at several points in my filter today so let's make a case on jrkirby. 1) Lurking pretty hard but trying to look like he's making some effort at least. This even had me mistaking him as town earlier. But on second thought, this is exactly the most scummy position: overall useless, but appears to be a bit useful. This is the classic scum play. 2) Very soft and wishy-washy in his accusations. I dare you to read through his posts and find even one clear stance about anything. You could argue that about his "scumlist" post, maybe, but it was basically just a list of names that he didn't do anything with. On August 09 2013 06:11 jrkirby wrote: On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: My discussions with Dandel had me leaning town on him. Like I've been telling both Chrom and Dandel though, I really am not comfortable with Dandel as a lord until I am completely sure he is town. As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. Just a total waste of our first cycle abilities. At the time, I had to assume that house KP could even be strong enough to kill someone. So thats another strike. A typical scum player is not trying to be obv scum and therefore is unlikely to be so cavalier with these. The risk of scum Dandel trolling his way to the lynch block and me being wrong with my early town read made him unelectable to me for the first cycle. Ok, you're leaning town on him, but your afraid of electing him because electing him will allow us to know for sure if he's scum? Is anyone else thinking this logic is dumb? Catching a guaranteed scum for giving mafia an extra KP and HP check is totally worth it. And you didn't even think that was likely. So... why not vote for him? + Show Spoiler + I just got caught up on the thread. On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok, finally caught up again. This thread grew 15 pages while I was reading 10. People I want lynched/shot: 1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here. 2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this? 3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case. 4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance. On August 10 2013 09:42 jrkirby wrote: I just checked tofu's filter. Yeah, that guys is always way more active than this. That's not guaranteed scum, but it certainly is a sign. On August 10 2013 09:52 jrkirby wrote: Why does s&b say: On August 10 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote: i also wouldn't mind lynching acro for playing in character. That seems scummy. It would make sense if he asked acro to stop playing in character, but lynch him for it? Also this is after Oberyn puts his vote on acro. Perhaps he's trying to push a wagon on someone he knows is town. The rest of his filter seems fine, but that's pretty scummy there. 3) Likes to fill his filter with useless setup speculation when the topic was already over with. On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote: Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet? I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why: 1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house. 2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start. 3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum. 4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time. 5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps. 6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful). 7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on. 8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum. 9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency. I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists: 1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. 4) What originally got my attention was Oberyn's post about yamato and jrkirby not being interested to PM with each other. This line of thought is even confirmed by jrkirby himself: On August 10 2013 06:58 jrkirby wrote: On August 10 2013 06:54 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote: Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too. Could you explain this please? The first PM I got from onegu was that we should elect oberyn because he was experienced. I PM'd Oberyn a bunch before deciding to elect oberyn, but the campaign kinda started with onegu. Without the association though, this isn't inherently scummy in my opinion. He doesn't mention yamato at all regarding the process to elect Oberyn? So there you go. Your turn, Acro. Really???? Your major case is on a lurker who us noble folk already want to stab? The case on jrkirby is far far simpler than that and there was no need to quote any of his posts. His D1 was terribad, he has gone afk and from Martell politics it looks like he's in cahoots with Yamato. Lets kill! Now tell me something I didn't know. So we agree, it seems. Why didn't you mention these points I mentioned before then, though? Or did you somewhere? Maybe some of them, but truly it shouldn't hurt to flesh out a case. I'd say you didn't know about Risen's inconsistent thought process before I mentioned it. I knew Risen's inconsistent thought process from way back in the day. As should you, because we met him at our very first tourney and he was just as fucking ridiculous as he is now. I have to say that he fooled me with his crazy upside down logic at the Chrono Trigger tournament, where he used it to great effect as a traitor to our cause. But Risen playing like Risen does not really surprise me at all. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 12 2013 21:48 GMT
#2497
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 12 2013 21:53 GMT
#2498
On August 13 2013 06:48 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 06:46 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 06:31 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 06:20 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 05:41 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 05:17 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 05:10 strongandbig wrote: On August 13 2013 04:59 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 04:56 Xatalos wrote: On August 13 2013 04:47 Risen wrote: I may not have written it in the case, but that would have simply weakened my case and distracted from it. I felt the interaction between you two was important. That's not very concrete so it didn't make the post. Something that bothers me is that there wasn't really ever a response to my last case. Just a bunch of that's stupid posts along with he's crazy town now. People are now suspecting DI openly in thread. Why? Why now when you didn't respond to my case before? I don't even.. How can my connection with DI be your ONLY reason for suspecting him when you made a whole case against him without even mentioning me at all? Your thought patterns are so full of holes. The reason why nobody took your post seriously was because it was too bad to consider. There have been people suspecting DI all game for different (bad) reasons. The situation hasn't really changed to any direction. Acro isn't even really suspecting him now I think, just softpushing him in case he gets a chance to vote for him at some point. Oh, I'm suspecting him. There's just no point in jumping the gun and yelling HE'S A BLACKFYRE and waving my arms when there are still a minimum of 80 hours before we can do anything about it. the point is persuading the lords who to lordshoot, that is less than 80 hours away right? thats why im still going on about risen atm anyway I think DI would be a terrible stabbing, and seeing as I am a lord, I am happy to coordinate our swords in our small council. For the record, I think Risen would be a pretty bad target for stabbing as well. Your case against him was refreshing, but I am not convinced and am really looking forward to his case on Rayn. You know what. Birds, stone, and stuff. @Xatalos: write up a case on whoever you feel is most deserving and I'll write out my thoughts on Rayn. I think you're quite deserving but iamperfection keeps saying me you're town so I try to hold back. Otherwise I'm starting to lean town on strongandbig and Koshi. The ones I have mostly started to lean scum on are Risen, jrkirby, Vivax and Ace. I think I've made my point about Risen already at several points in my filter today so let's make a case on jrkirby. 1) Lurking pretty hard but trying to look like he's making some effort at least. This even had me mistaking him as town earlier. But on second thought, this is exactly the most scummy position: overall useless, but appears to be a bit useful. This is the classic scum play. 2) Very soft and wishy-washy in his accusations. I dare you to read through his posts and find even one clear stance about anything. You could argue that about his "scumlist" post, maybe, but it was basically just a list of names that he didn't do anything with. On August 09 2013 06:11 jrkirby wrote: On August 09 2013 05:46 s0Lstice wrote: My discussions with Dandel had me leaning town on him. Like I've been telling both Chrom and Dandel though, I really am not comfortable with Dandel as a lord until I am completely sure he is town. As scum, Dandel knows he will be caught. He will therefore have no qualms about using our house abilities (the KP, the one-shot HP check) in a way that is incriminating as he is going to be lynched or vigged anyway. The hypothetical I layed out was that he'd blow our HP check and shoot the towniest dude in the thread. These are things that would probably be traced back to him in the future, but again it's not gonna matter. Just a total waste of our first cycle abilities. At the time, I had to assume that house KP could even be strong enough to kill someone. So thats another strike. A typical scum player is not trying to be obv scum and therefore is unlikely to be so cavalier with these. The risk of scum Dandel trolling his way to the lynch block and me being wrong with my early town read made him unelectable to me for the first cycle. Ok, you're leaning town on him, but your afraid of electing him because electing him will allow us to know for sure if he's scum? Is anyone else thinking this logic is dumb? Catching a guaranteed scum for giving mafia an extra KP and HP check is totally worth it. And you didn't even think that was likely. So... why not vote for him? + Show Spoiler + I just got caught up on the thread. On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok, finally caught up again. This thread grew 15 pages while I was reading 10. People I want lynched/shot: 1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here. 2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this? 3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case. 4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance. On August 10 2013 09:42 jrkirby wrote: I just checked tofu's filter. Yeah, that guys is always way more active than this. That's not guaranteed scum, but it certainly is a sign. On August 10 2013 09:52 jrkirby wrote: Why does s&b say: On August 10 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote: i also wouldn't mind lynching acro for playing in character. That seems scummy. It would make sense if he asked acro to stop playing in character, but lynch him for it? Also this is after Oberyn puts his vote on acro. Perhaps he's trying to push a wagon on someone he knows is town. The rest of his filter seems fine, but that's pretty scummy there. 3) Likes to fill his filter with useless setup speculation when the topic was already over with. On August 09 2013 06:35 jrkirby wrote: Finally, why have all the houses not posted a list of their members yet? I think that it's actually beneficial to town to post these lists, and here's why: 1) Once scum have a list of 5 of the houses, they have a list of every house. 2) in a 24 player game, scum almost guaranteed have 4-6 members. Scum are spread out (I think it's random or something, right?) so they already know probably 3-4 houses at the start. 3) 2 (or is it 3?) houses have already posted their list. There's a good chance this fills in the missing info for scum. 4) All the house lists will probably be posted by day 2 anyway. Scum will only be missing this info for a short time. 5) Scum know all the lords already. This further helps them fill in the gaps. 6) Knowing the houses is not too beneficial to scum. Scum are more likely to want to eliminate every non-scum player in a house than an entire house (based off my possibly flawed logic - they can use this to WIFOM, be careful). 7) Knowing the houses is beneficial to town. We can help predict who will be lord in later days, we can help predict who is likely to be shot. We know who can PM a certain player, so it's easier to find people with reads on them. We don't think two people are on a scumteam together when they're just house buddies. Things are simpler, we don't get confused when REDACTED is posted. The list goes on. 8) Displaying all houses gives more info to town than it gives to scum. 9) Transparency is beneficial to town, and giving out house lists helps with transparency. I can think of one good reason why we might not want to give out house lists: 1) There might be 3P that wants to eliminate a house, or secondary objectives for scum to eliminate a house. This is entirely speculation though, so I don't put too much weight into it. 4) What originally got my attention was Oberyn's post about yamato and jrkirby not being interested to PM with each other. This line of thought is even confirmed by jrkirby himself: On August 10 2013 06:58 jrkirby wrote: On August 10 2013 06:54 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote: Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too. Could you explain this please? The first PM I got from onegu was that we should elect oberyn because he was experienced. I PM'd Oberyn a bunch before deciding to elect oberyn, but the campaign kinda started with onegu. Without the association though, this isn't inherently scummy in my opinion. He doesn't mention yamato at all regarding the process to elect Oberyn? So there you go. Your turn, Acro. Really???? Your major case is on a lurker who us noble folk already want to stab? The case on jrkirby is far far simpler than that and there was no need to quote any of his posts. His D1 was terribad, he has gone afk and from Martell politics it looks like he's in cahoots with Yamato. Lets kill! Now tell me something I didn't know. So we agree, it seems. Why didn't you mention these points I mentioned before then, though? Or did you somewhere? Maybe some of them, but truly it shouldn't hurt to flesh out a case. I'd say you didn't know about Risen's inconsistent thought process before I mentioned it. I knew Risen's inconsistent thought process from way back in the day. As should you, because we met him at our very first tourney and he was just as fucking ridiculous as he is now. I have to say that he fooled me with his crazy upside down logic at the Chrono Trigger tournament, where he used it to great effect as a traitor to our cause. But Risen playing like Risen does not really surprise me at all. I wasn't talking about his utterly terrible reads. I was talking about his inconsistent logic regarding his "suspicion" of me and DI. OOC, because describing meta in character is a pain in the ass: I have to admit it feels a lot like his stance at the start of Chrono Trigger (where he was smurfing and was scum). He explained his way out of it by claiming to be batshit insane. Pretty much the same as he has done here. But I'm not sure that's part of his scum meta, or just part of his Risen meta. Given the other games I've played with him I tend to believe the latter. I can't get a bead on him, but using fucked up bonkers logic to paint literally anybody as scum seems to be his usual play, not his scum game. He does it as scum as well, though. At this point I'm not opposed to just shooting him in the face, though. He yelled that Rayn is scum, but refuses to say why and the impression I got from his town games is that he is more active, whereas as scum he tends to go awol for long stretches of time. | ||
Acrofales
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August 12 2013 21:54 GMT
#2500
On August 13 2013 06:18 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + this is actually a decent point imo, by far the best point in this post and something we should actually make sharrant explain.On August 13 2013 05:42 Risen wrote: ... How this reads to me... "Oh, I wasn't expecting to be revealed as a cop even though I told someone I couldn't possibly know was town I was a cop thereby potentially opening myself up to a kill from scum negating my entire role! In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target kush right after explaining to the thread that kush was initially a target and could possibly be scum and as I don't know acro is town he could very well have mafia kill me for that!" If that isn't the worst explanation of something I have ever seen in a mafia game I don't know what is. He later says a scum Acro might have been trying to push him off Kush, but why not just kill you instead? Why doesn't scum look at that and say, "Well he claims to be one shot, but what if he can actually reuse the ability?" then kill him. A town cop doesn't not see this possibility. This only comes up when a scum team member trying to emulate a cop slips up. I actually agree with this too. I just don't get the feeling that that is the way it went down. But I'll let him explain. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#2502
On August 13 2013 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: @ acro, you just described his town meta (or at least, this is how he was in titanic) I'm also curious why johnny is lynchbait Anyway, gnight I think Ser Wup is lynch bait, because I think he's a loyalist, yet the minutes of our meeting are filled with cases explaining his rebellious intentions. Most of them are trumped up bullshit and some are somewhat okay, but I hardly think they're conclusive (or I wouldn't think he's a loyalist of course). The more he responded to them, the more people seemed convinced he is a Blackfyre, despite his responses actually sounding sincere. Also in our private missives I have no reason to suspect him. But we should hear from him soon, he is catching up and will hopefully speak up soon. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 13 2013 00:54 GMT
#2539
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 13 2013 03:17 GMT
#2586
On August 13 2013 09:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 09:49 iamperfection wrote: On August 13 2013 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf is it with people hunting town and not hunting scum? It´s not the town things they du but the scummy things. Do you have any opinion on what Xatalos said about me or not? well i think your town too so i dont really think much about it at all. Well maybe you should start. Seriously, part of Acrofales' case is this: Acro: "Your interactions with Grack...." Me: "Tell me where i ever talk you about Grack" Acro: "You didn't" Me: "Then why do you say this (quote)" Arco: "There was no point to be made. He wasn't protesting his innocence. He wasn't catching me out on something that could come from a Blackfyre, he was just being pedantic. While not necessarily indicative of being a Blackfyre, there is clearly no loyalist motive for being so pedantic and sidetracking the conversation, so he had perked my interest." WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT? I am calling the dude out lying and he is trying to use it against me in his case? And Xatalos is all "yeha dude that's some good shit on rayn, go on, let's vig him!" Nothing sounds bullshit to you here iamp? Walk me through this: you caught me out the lie where: You asked me about my opinion on Grackaroni I told you I had no idea about Grackaroni except what you said had happened in private This was clearly a mistake, because you had never said anything about talking to Grack in private, and are in a different corner of the realm and thus could not possibly have been in private contact with him. This "lie" was so humongous that after I admit the mistake and say that I was confused, you felt the need to continue hammering it in for at least 2 posts. What were you attempting to accomplish? Why even bother? Where was the Blackfyre motivation behind this "lie" that you had caught me out in? Or were you just screwing around for no apparent reason? | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 13 2013 03:21 GMT
#2588
On August 13 2013 10:08 kushm4sta wrote: im not trying to piss you off rayne but sharrant and acro are town because of PMs. Why does dandel think acro is scum? were there ever any reasons backing that up or just feels? Wait what? You just told me you think Sharrant is Blackfyre. What the hell? | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 13 2013 03:31 GMT
#2589
On August 13 2013 11:04 iamperfection wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 10:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you think people called Acro scum and Sharrant town at the start of D2? Especially Xatalos. i dont know perhaps you should ask them, acros action towards the lynch weren't to good didn't seem like he cared about it. Honestly, I didn't. I was rather drunk and the lynch was aimed at a scummy lurker I had pegged as a scummy lurker. Turns out I was wrong. Mea culpa. But at the time I was happy with throwing FT to the angry townsfolk of King's Landing, but was in no state to reevaluate anything and was just around for the ride. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 13 2013 03:47 GMT
#2591
On August 13 2013 11:53 s0Lstice wrote: and ps, something that bothers me in particular about Acro is how he treated Oats Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity. So events happened like this. I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever. Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy? Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around. While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum? Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 04:07 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 03:59 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 09 2013 03:54 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 02:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so im REDACTED in SnB's conversation with clarity. So events happened like this. I was talking to clarity, and he told me SnB's rolename out of NOWHERE. Ok. So I asked him for his rolename. And he declined giving reasons like, 'scum can bluesnipe rolenames'. Which sounds like crap to me. But whatever. Eventually, I decided to fakeclaim 1 shot rolename alignment check because he wouldnt tell me his rolename. After I said that, he gave it up willingly. I then came back and pm'ed him that the result was that its a fake role name. Fakeclaim. Which means he is scum. He then said something along the lines of 'ok dude' And nothing else. So that makes me think he is town cause he doesnt have an overt reaction. I dunno. Thoughts guys? Wait what? YOU are Ser Redacted? And when asked if something interested happened in the confines of your house (Winterfell, apparently), you decided to keep this rather controversial situation to the thread, saying that everything was groovy? Explain yourself. Also, whatever gambit that was, it is atrocious. It doesn't sound indicative of Clarity's allegiance at all. It sounds like he gave you his real name and you derped it up, by claiming some nonsense name magic. I don't understand at all how you deduce that he is not a Blackfyre infiltrant from that, unless you were already privy to that information and were just dicking around. While I often find it hard to uncover your motivations for doing things, this seems like a particularly stupid gaff. At first my grievances were with your lord, but it's possible that your entire house is Blackfyre scum? Yes because obviously with that exchange between me and oats, the possibility that we're both scum somehow still remains? But yeah, whether I am town or scum I'd have reacted the same way, most likely. That said, do you think Oats as scum pushes me really hard for my rolename (he underemphasized this, it was like 5 pms each of him asking me rolename and me asking "why?") and then when I refuse to give it he makes up a role like that? Seems a bit farfetched for scum just to "dick around" Where do I say you're both Blackfyre pretenders? The exchange between you and Oats seems like intentional bad play by Oats, and his subsequent behaviour in this public hall has been to intentionally obscure information that would have been far more relevant at the time than his derpfest bickering with Yamato. Why would a loyal citizen intentionally derail the discussion, rather than presenting an interesting topic for discussion? I exaggerated with the "whole house" bit, but I have some serious suspicions of Oatsmaster and Strongandbig. His message here is pretty clear. Serious suspicion of Oats. He later qualifies this by saying that no in fact Oats is not scum, he just wanted to see more. Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 22:03 Acrofales wrote: On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote: On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative? Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno. In case my earlier discourse was unclear, Ser Oatsmaster has clearly traveled in the Reach and caught onto my way of speaking immediately. Regarding the content: the young Tofu seems to think that I was afraid of calling Ser Oatsmaster a Blackfyre. Rest assured that if I had thought that, I would have called him a Blackfyre then and there. At the time, all I wanted was to hear more from him, and I said so. Here is the more that Oats gave him in between those two thread presences: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. On August 09 2013 14:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote: On August 09 2013 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Acro's first post felt way more constructed. Like not even close to being natural cause he was Roleplaying. So I dont think its alignment indicative. So you think the fact that it was more constructed makes it non-alignment indicative? Wouldn't scum be more worried about the content of their posts than town? Why would constructed flavor not be alignment indicative? Because both scum and town have to construct a roleplaying post. Its not natural either way so therefore the fact that its constructed is not alignment indicative. The content on the other hand, may be. I dunno. Ok so I was looking through johnnywup's filter and I saw this Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 05:57 johnnywup wrote: i don't have any extra information and its the first thing that came to mind for a 3p wincon in a themed setup like this. robert barath trying to kill targs is like pretty big in lore so it came to mind pretty quickly. I posted the exact same thought in a PM to my housemates and none seemed to think it was scummy. And its really weird that his defence is 'none of my housemates think it was scummy'. Shows an attitude of caring about his appearance. Not that he was wrong about the 3p or whatever but that his suggestion did not look scummy to other people. Weird mindset. Thoughts? On August 09 2013 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 14:58 johnnywup wrote: he said it was scummy that I had that thought and I said that others saw it and some thought the exact opposite. Maybe that doesn't even really matter but I thought it was worth pointing out. Why is it worth pointing out? Why didnt you explain why its not scummy to think that there is a 3p On August 09 2013 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 15:19 johnnywup wrote: I dunno, I just thought it was. Does that bother you? It's scummy to think there's a 3p? It bothers me that your defence is 'these guys think its not scummy' On August 09 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 15:44 johnnywup wrote: it's hardly a defense i'm sure you'll agree. i didn't really intend for it to be a defense. I was just pointing out a contrast. Do you think I'm scum? yes On August 09 2013 16:19 Oatsmaster wrote: So which lurker do you want to die Xata? On August 09 2013 16:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I feel that kush will show his alignment either way. So you are basically suggesting a policy nk on lurkers right? Cause you dont have specific targets. I dont know if I agree. After this he returns, but nothing on Oats. We would be lead to believe that this is because Oats has satisfied whatever was bothering Acro about him. What in those quotes would set his suspicions to rest? Oats activity has actually dropped as the game has gone on, which would presumably ring some bells for Acro. More, in those quotes, Oats attacked johnnywup primarily. Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 06:15 Acrofales wrote: --snip In my humble opinion, johnnywup is the most obvious lynchbait in the thread Thats from his case on Rayn. One of his points is that Rayn attacked johnnywup. Again, we are at the mercy of PMs here, so I dunno what Acro was doing in regards to Oats in PM land. I'd like to know though Acro when you get the chance. You quote (early) D1 stuff. On D1 I was clearly not in contact with Ser Oats, because Lord Strongandbig was lord of Winterfell. In D2 I have exchanged 1 PM with Ser Oats, in which I called him scum and he told me to fuck off. It was not very productive. The bit in the case against Rayn is also not for him just attacking lynch bait. It's that he calls lynchbait scum and then just forgets about it. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 13 2013 03:50 GMT
#2592
On August 13 2013 12:36 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 10:17 Chromatically wrote: I don't see what the deal is with the Acro/Rayn HP plan thing. Acro hints at a plan that uses the HP check D1 to rayn rayn doesn't want to use the HP check D1 and says so in-thread rayn says that he won't support the plan unless he knows what it is So how does rayn come out scummy from this? Acro can you explain this? I have, about a million times. I see no reason to keep posting about this. Tell me what exactly you don't understand about it. Rayn clearly wasn't talking about changing his opinion about the plan. He was talking about changing his opinion about me. I never needed, nor wanted, Rayn's support for the plan, so couldn't give half a fuck whether he would reconsider the plan, and that was definitely not what the conversation was about. He said he would reconsider his stance on me in exchange for information about the plan. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 13 2013 04:06 GMT
#2595
On August 13 2013 12:59 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On August 13 2013 12:50 Acrofales wrote: On August 13 2013 12:36 Chromatically wrote: On August 13 2013 10:17 Chromatically wrote: I don't see what the deal is with the Acro/Rayn HP plan thing. Acro hints at a plan that uses the HP check D1 to rayn rayn doesn't want to use the HP check D1 and says so in-thread rayn says that he won't support the plan unless he knows what it is So how does rayn come out scummy from this? Acro can you explain this? I have, about a million times. I see no reason to keep posting about this. Tell me what exactly you don't understand about it. Rayn clearly wasn't talking about changing his opinion about the plan. He was talking about changing his opinion about me. I never needed, nor wanted, Rayn's support for the plan, so couldn't give half a fuck whether he would reconsider the plan, and that was definitely not what the conversation was about. He said he would reconsider his stance on me in exchange for information about the plan. My understanding is that rayn disagreed with your idea to use the HP check N1, and called it "anti-town". This is the sentiment that he said he would reconsider if he got more information. Correct? I interpreted it as "if you tell me the info, I will drop my suspicions of you". | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 14:18 GMT
#2763
On August 14 2013 20:16 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote: On August 14 2013 20:04 Xatalos wrote: On August 14 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote: On August 14 2013 19:32 Xatalos wrote: Koshi, could you explain why there is a mole in House Lannister because 3 townies died? No, I wonder why the lords didn't shoot anybody. My entire case against iamp was based on the fact that there was a scum in the Lannister House and he didn't see it because there was a "vigilante". So after todays flip: Didn't the lords and this "vigilante" pick a target? If the lords picked a target, then there is a mole in the Lannisters and no vigilante. You have to consider the fact that Ace was the primary target and iamperfection said there was some confusion about the secondary target, so it's not for certain that all KP went to Kush. Kush might also have more KP than gumshoe for all we know. I basically just disagree about your conclusion. 1) HOW could I consider that Ace was the primary target? 2) HOW could the Lords consider Ace was the primary target? (like as if Ace would play so bad as scum that he would get killed after 1 day? Seriously?) So wait? Lords thought that Kirby was actually not even a target? WHAT? 1. Ace 2. Kush 3. CONFUSION EVERYWHERE Above was the killlist for the Lords? More like 1. Ace 2. Kush & confusion everywhere According to iamperfection. This sounds about right. We were agreed on shooting Ace and the last message coordinating our lord's swords said to shoot him (and only him). Then he got modkilled and I felt the shot probably wouldn't be coordinated, because before then, nobody had been able to agree. Vivax, Strongandbig, jrkirby, johnnywup and kush had all been proposed. Strongandbig started playing again just afterwards and Vivax seems better to lynch: it is easy to discuss him. Jrkirby got replaced just before the deadline, and in addition to replacing, as I told Sharrant at the end of the night: we just killed a scummer in House Martell. Statistics and stuff. I spent yesterday going through kush and johnnywup's filters, because they've been accusing each other of being scum in PM. From that I concluded that I still think johnnywup is town, but kush is a scummy fuck. I sent the Tyrell crossbows to stab him in the face. The reads I sent Sharrant in case I died: The scumteam is: Raynpelikoneet (see yesterday's case. hasn't changed) Vivax (his only redeeming quality has been to suspect Yamato in private. It just seems like distancing to me. Nothing came of it, ever) Oatsmaster (basically, too scum to be dumb) kushm4sta (I read the first few pages of the smurf filter. Kush gives reasons, he responds to questions and interacts with people. Here he doesn't) That leaves no scum in Lannister or Baratheon. If there's scum in Baratheon it's DI or Koshi. I think DI over Koshi. He's known for losing interest in the game over time if he's scum, and his interest has dropped dramatically, but I have no strong town read on Koshi either. Scum in Lannister is probably Xatalos. Iamperfection is almost certainly town, and Grackaroni is too naive and open with his thoughts to be scum, imho. Obviously wrong about Oats. Lets kill Rayn, though. He is still nitpicking useless shit. I don't know why people are surprised kush is still alive, though. The Lordly swords were (probably) not enough to kill gumshoe yesterday and we had help. If that help is scum shooting him in the face, they would obviously not shoot their fellow conspirator in the face. Here's what I said about kush: 1. Yamato policy lynch. I have asked him for his reasons, but with Yamato being scum, this could easily be a cheap way to distance himself from a scumbuddy. There's no pressure, no follow-up, just a few blurbs at the start of the game directed at Yamato. It feels phoney and an easy way to enter the thread without setting off any alarms, just kush being his usual useless self. 2. Flipflopping on Sharrant. He called Sharrant scum for a number of reasons, I told him he was wrong and he just instantly flipflopped. His reasons in a subsequent PM were that I had convinced him and he doesn't know Sharrant's meta, but his reasons had nothing to do with meta. It seems like he tried to hitch a ride on Risen's case, and when I shot him down, he just dropped it. 3. Flipflopping on Xatalos. Kush's list of scummers: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19498364 He gets asked why Xatalos is on there, and the response: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19498664 This is literally one hour later. I hadn't talked to him about Xatalos. Iamperfection, however, had stated that Xatalos is town just after kush's initial little list. He really just seems to be following thread sentiment and blending in. His reads are utterly useless and even if he flaunts his uselessness, it doesn't change the fact that he could just be a Blackfyre being useless and taking advantage of his meta as a completely useless player: rather than hide it, flaunt it. Sharrant said that he had a similar feel to smurf mafia, so I looked at his filter. Before even starting, the activity difference is obvious. 12 pages of filter in 72 pages of game. This game, he has 2 pages of filter. Then looking through the start, while he does flaunt his uselessness there, he is actually not nearly as useless. He gives reasons for thinking people are scum, and interacts with people on a regular basis. Not so this game. I don't think we should lynch him. I think we should just shoot him tonight. Seems a waste of town KP to shoot and then lynch. Better to lynch Rayn or Vivax. Tyrell internal politics: Sharrant is about as close to confirmed town we have. Seemed the obvious choice for lord. He also promised to be more active than before, at least in the second half of today. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 14:24 GMT
#2765
On August 14 2013 20:44 Clarity_nl wrote: A very strong townread on johnny? How? Did your hp check get used despite getting roleblocked? Can't speak for Sharrant, but here is my town read on johnny: I presume you got the same message I got when the game started, in which he revealed his rolename. At the time I was pretty suspicious, because it seemed like he was fishing. But I talked a bit with him and he seemed oblivious to the possibility of assassins. That was neither here nor there. His subsequent behaviour in public is to be extremely paranoid about name, and house information, and he PM'd me about it too. While this is easy to fake as scum, it seemed a natural reaction to our PM conversation. He then caught a LOT of flak for that in the thread, which to me just seemed like a retarded reason to call him scum, and people trying to push that in favour of actual scummy behaviour seemed suspicious, which further pushed him towards town. I seemed to be the only one who even considered the possibility he was town, and that is not how scum operates. The problem I have with his filter, and his private messages is that it spends a LOT of time defending himself and very little giving out reads. It's not a good thing and I've been pressuring him to share more reads and reasons in the thread. He told me that he is unmotivated, because every post he makes gets turned against him. It reminds me a bit of goodkarma in Catch 22. I don't like the self-pitying martyring behaviour, but it sounds genuine, and not like some scum trying to bullshit me. Upon rereading his filter, there is also something I'd consider a "townslip". After Ace posted in confusion and before he was modkilled, I received a PM from johnny saying that he no longer thought Ace was scum (he had told me before that he was certain Ace was scum): because the lordly KP was aimed at Ace, and I had told him that, this doesn't seem like something scum would do. They would want Ace dead before people could discuss it and come to that very same conclusion. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 14:33 GMT
#2776
On August 14 2013 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2013 15:59 Clarity_nl wrote: Also please explain how Risen got lord instead of rayn. Did Risen not budge and rayn was forced to consolidate or? Pretty much yeah. So what? Did you just not want to risk your neck by sticking it out and fighting to be lord. Surely Risen's utterly insane behaviour yesterday showed that he is not fit to be lord (although I don't agree with Ser Strongandbig's assessment). Aiming his longships at Sharrant is a sign of insanity, not Blackfyre sympathy, and insane people are less likely to be part of a rebellion, imho. So if you are in fact a loyalist, you'd draw the conclusion that Risen is insane, and he should be deposed as lord. That leaves you as the only alternative. Is Risen so powerhungry? Why did you admit defeat so easily? It seems like a Blackfyre slinking back into the shadows to me. Lets kill Rayn, the Blackfyre pretender kraken! | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 14:39 GMT
#2780
On August 14 2013 23:30 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote: Scum killed three people who were going to be lords Day 2. Oatsmaster very odd choice otherwise IMO, he didnt breadcrumb afaik and I don't think he was readable as blue. Also 3/3 too much to be coincidence. at least 1 of those people (oats) were not going to be lords today cause we elected clarity. It seems likely scum was finishing off the people they split KP onto night 1. Makes me think they did not know the hp check before choosing their KP. Killing lords a possible scum tactic to produce confusion among town, disrupt "town circle" of lord pms. Possible that kill on gumshoe really did come from town vig instead of mole giving scum the hp checks. Oh wow. This is completely true. Otherwise iamp would be dead day 1. Good news, I didn't like Grack as scum tbh but evidence was against him. Meh. Scum splitting their KP to create chaos D2 doesn't seem unlikely. The main point of the life magic was that it revealed gumshoe hanging on by a thread. I don't see how today's evidence that the Blackfyres split their armies on day 1 proves that gumshoe was hit by a loyalist vigilante. In fact, the fact kush didn't die is to me evidence that he was in fact pushed off the cliff by Blackfyre swords. Whether this makes Grackaroni or Xatalos a pretender I am not sure about. Any of the lords could have used their life magic in secret to get the same information. Maybe the Blackfyres themselves have a power like the one Sharrant claimed to have. There is just too much missing information. But concluding that it was a loyalist vigilante seems very premature. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 16:58 GMT
#2850
On August 15 2013 00:55 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 14 2013 23:36 Xatalos wrote: On August 14 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote: Xatalos, the most recent reasoning for lynching Risen I found is this: I think snb might actually be town because I had this exact same thought (although less fleshed out) just a bit earlier. Risen's first post was so bad and yet so much effort was put in it. After that... Almost nothing. No follow-up to his first post or anything. No pushing his reads. There's a clear difference between the effort in his first post and everything after that. Give me an updated bullet list of your points against him please, there's much more to go with than just the quantity of his posts in the beginning. While you're at it, give me a reason for me being scum that hasn't to do with activity, cause that's probably the reason 99 % in here have for thinking I'm scum. You're just skating by and targeting popular lynch targets, the latest case you wrote was on jkirby, and that was upon Acrofales' request. You're clearly not reading very closely. That was just my second post against Risen, with almost the same content as the first one. I had more after that, like his contradictory statements about his scumreads on me and DI (and also his push for Sharrant didn't feel right, nor his faulty logic with his original accusations and how he never followed up on them). iamperfection initially got me suspicious of you. Here's a summary of his opinions (from the last will post): "Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum" Basically, lack of genuine effort, pushing, involvement... Not just lack of activity. Lynchworthy for sure. After some PM'ing with Clarity I'm not as confident in Risen being scum anymore. He's generally crazy and it's hard to distinguish between crazy town and crazy scum. Maybe his faulty logic is explained by his general lack of logical thinking. For now it might be a better idea to lynch you, s0Lstice, snb or Mocsta (unless he keeps up his clear effort, which isn't very easy to do as scum). Effort, pushing, involvement. You mention things that aren't very empiric, so to say. You don't show if I'm pushing scum agenda, you don't quote particular posts, you say it's not activity, but you don't tell how you measure the three attributes you think make me scum when they are usually correlated to activity. The case on me is bullshit, I'm town, and I have yet to see a case with a clear line of thought that doesn't use activity as argument. I invite you to make one based on the content of my posts, and I'll dunk it, and you afterwards if you fuck up. I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote: I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say). So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. Activity is an excellent argument. I am a true believer in simply lynching anybody who produces significantly less pages of filter than in his average town game. It works for me, it works for Hapa and I have no doubt it works for you. But here's what I compiled on you and was going to post before I saw you responded. Regarding Vivax, he has been inactive as fuck. Usually he spams up the thread being an obnoxious dick when he's town, forcing people to listen to him. He either gets lynched himself, or nails most of the scum. As scum he is more subdued and cooperative. This game fits neither, because he is just plain afk. However, there's some things that indicate he's a scummy fuck: On August 09 2013 05:28 Acrofales wrote: Hrmmm, playing a game of elimination, Vivax is the remaining member of House Stark. Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote: On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote: @ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote: On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote: Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3). 4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion. I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two. This seems like a really strange soft-defense of Oatsmaster. Either he was completely oblivious to the goings on in his own house, or he had a town read based on that. I am confused about why he stood up to defend Oatsmaster's honor: he's not calling Koshi scum based on it, in fact there are no conclusions at all. With the knowledge that he had already talked to Oats in private this just looks like a baseless soft-defense of a house member who it seems he should have been suspicious of. Anybody from House Stark (or Vivax himself) want to elaborate on Vivax's role in the internal politicking? Vivax, why did you make this soft-defense post of Oats? His response was to say that he suspected Koshi, but that doesn't seem to be the main point of this post at all. More just buddying up to Oats. We then have: On August 10 2013 03:13 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 02:53 Sharrant wrote: Hey, Vivax, you're the perfect one to answer this. You actually hydra'ed with Kush. The question was whether Kush says 'fags' normally. Does he? You would know much better than I. I can only tell you that Kush likes the word ANAL. I prefer not having to draw conclusions from someone using specific derogative terms. You could let him do a IAT with town-scum categories and have him post the results here, that would be serious shit. Is there anyone specific you're trying to present to your lord for lynching? Posting this makes no sense, other than, again, as a soft-defense. Why even bring this up? I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around why a loyalist would point this out. From a Blackfyre point of view it's obvious: it's a "look guys, I'm posting" post, with the added bonus of maybe sidetracking the thread and any discussion about kush. The main point in Vivax's favour is Clarity defending him, saying he seemed convinced Yamato was scum in private. Nothing ever seems to have come from this private read. I would like Clarity to elaborate. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 17:03 GMT
#2854
On August 15 2013 01:44 Risen wrote: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.... Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?! Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today? And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??! House Tyrell Kushm4sta johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?! ... ... ... He's lord because I think he's town and so does johnny. I even believe kush thinks he's town, but he may have flipflopped back into believing he's scum in the meantime. Either way, he voted for him. The way we did it was: jwup, Sharrant and kush vote for Sharrant Acro votes for Acro A 3-1 setup to ensure we don't have a crapshoot random lord if Sharrant gets knocked off during the night, but it was basically a unanimous vote for Sharrant. If kush had gone apeshit and not voted for sharrant, we would be lordless and I would be hollering that kush needed to get lynched asap. He didn't, so now I just want him shot at night. Generally speaking, activity is a decent town tell, but there are some people it just doesn't work on. Try that shit on hopeless1der, for instance, I dare you. Or... grush. Or even Strongandbig (who I used to think it worked on until I really wanted to mislynch him in some of his town games). Sharrant is about as confirmed town as we have in our realm. NOT voting for him would be fucking stupid. And while I agree claiming 1-shot cop doesn't make him actual confirmed town, I have so far seen absolutely NO reason to believe Sharrant is fakeclaiming. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 17:07 GMT
#2857
On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please. Lynching mocsta is a fucking terrible idea because statistics. I don't give a shit how scummy he plays until we get later in the game. Also, scum asking his scumbuddy for input. Nice fucking distancing you got going there. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 17:12 GMT
#2863
On August 15 2013 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 02:07 Acrofales wrote: On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please. Lynching mocsta is a fucking terrible idea because statistics. I don't give a shit how scummy he plays until we get later in the game. Also, scum asking his scumbuddy for input. Nice fucking distancing you got going there. You are scum or an idiot. Did you read Red Teams Prize already and compared that to your case? I was IN RTP. What about it? | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 17:22 GMT
#2872
On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote: So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't. This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 17:29 GMT
#2877
On August 15 2013 02:26 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote: So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't. This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. How convenient. How useless. Can you for a second assume Sharrant is town and work from there? Your pointless tunneling of a townie is getting us nowhere. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 17:31 GMT
#2880
On August 15 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am done talking with SnB. He is mafia. Dandel explain? I have been PMing with Risen all game long, why is it impossible that i have a town read on him? Awesome. @Risen: what is your opinion of raynpelikoneet? | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 18:07 GMT
#2910
On August 15 2013 02:54 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote: On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote: So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't. This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler + I did it You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right? The clear answer is that you lynch scum whenever you find them. But if you're unwilling, how about we lynch acro, then when he flips red we shoot sharrant. ##unvote ##vote: Acrofales /facepalm Risen: GAIS. I HAVE A CONNECTION CASE THAT MAKES ACRO SCUM Guys: But you're connecting him to an unflipped guy who is probably town Risen: HRMM, MAYBE. BUT LETS LYNCH HIM AND THEN FOLLOW THE CONNECTION BACKWARDS! Question: what happens when I flip town? Where does this connection go? Honestly, I thought you were town, but could you be bamboozling me as badly as you did in CT? I mean. Your reads have made 0 sense this game. Nothing, nada, zip. I keep coming out on you being town because I don't think a scum you would go after the cop, but honestly, insane ballsy plays are not beyond your scumplay. In fact, they seem to define your scumplay: - Flipflopping your vote 1 minute before the lynch - Claiming parity cop on random people Honestly, I have no clue what to think about you anymore. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 18:29 GMT
#2944
On August 15 2013 03:24 Risen wrote: Which question? And as to the nature of the scumslip, Xatalos has been in PMs with me for a while now soft defending Shar. I don't really think anything of it and I'm trying to bring him around to seeing Shar as scum. Nothing truly sticks out, I think he's just trying to gain perspective on me. He then tells me in PM that Shar's claimed 2 PM ability is simply house PMs. House have 3 people. The 2 PM ability isn't house PMs or it would be 3. ggnore I'm not sure I follow. Sharrant was referring to me + the 2 other people in our house. There's nobody dead yet, so there's 4 of us. And why does Xatalos bringing this up make it a scumslip from Xatalos? The info was already in the thread. Please explain better. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 18:32 GMT
#2946
On August 15 2013 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now Acro, who is guilty in this in this game: ??? Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 13:59 Acrofales wrote: Wait. Where the hell is my vote. Are we sure we're killing tofu? Oh i know, YOU! Didn't flip, nor flop. Plus, insane ballsy scumplays is not my scum meta. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 18:39 GMT
#2956
On August 15 2013 03:11 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 03:07 Acrofales wrote: On August 15 2013 02:54 Risen wrote: On August 15 2013 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 15 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote: On August 15 2013 02:25 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 15 2013 02:22 Acrofales wrote: On August 15 2013 01:15 Risen wrote: So we have a claimed cop who didn't die last night with a red check on the clear lynch candidate for d2. Has anyone thought why there would be a one shot cop in this game when there's so many people? There isn't. This is so simple a lynch. I told him in private that if he wasn't roleblocked or killed, he was scum. He has claimed roleblocked. I don't see a third roleblocked claim. The way the roleblock claims have worked out, it seems unlikely they are fake and it seems unlikely a town JK blocked him. So he was blocked by scum. Seems legit to me. +1 Also, ##Unvote Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler + I did it You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. Ofcourse I've seen it. When Acro says unlikely he means exactly that, unlikely. Could sharrant be scum? Yeah. Is he scum? Dunno, probably not. Should we lynch him today? NO WTF WHAT A DUMBASS QUESTION If he's scum they have to continue withholding roleblocks, there's like 4 or 5 more scum most likely, why lynch the cop who gave us a redcheck that turned out to be right? The clear answer is that you lynch scum whenever you find them. But if you're unwilling, how about we lynch acro, then when he flips red we shoot sharrant. ##unvote ##vote: Acrofales /facepalm Risen: GAIS. I HAVE A CONNECTION CASE THAT MAKES ACRO SCUM Guys: But you're connecting him to an unflipped guy who is probably town Risen: HRMM, MAYBE. BUT LETS LYNCH HIM AND THEN FOLLOW THE CONNECTION BACKWARDS! Question: what happens when I flip town? Where does this connection go? Honestly, I thought you were town, but could you be bamboozling me as badly as you did in CT? I mean. Your reads have made 0 sense this game. Nothing, nada, zip. I keep coming out on you being town because I don't think a scum you would go after the cop, but honestly, insane ballsy plays are not beyond your scumplay. In fact, they seem to define your scumplay: - Flipflopping your vote 1 minute before the lynch - Claiming parity cop on random people Honestly, I have no clue what to think about you anymore. This is my biggest problem with believing Acro is town. To disagree with me on my scum read of Sharrant and by connection him is one thing, but to give no merit to a case that has solid things that need answering is another. If he honestly believed I was scum he would push me and vote for me, but he knows I'm town and doesn't want to be the one to do it. There's a few people in this game pushing me but not putting their foot down and tunneling. I think it's a scumspiracy and they're just waiting for a town player to tunnel so they can pounce. I gave merit to the little bit of the case you made on Sharrant that made sense. He has since explained that satisfactorily. I cannot wrap my head around you. It seems impossible for you to be scum and playing like this, but that's EXACTLY what burned me last time you were scum. That said, I think you should be lynched AFTER Rayn. He's more likely scum than you. You are just batshit insane. So we lynch Rayn and if he is indeed scum, you're pretty much cleared. I don't think he would be hard defending you if you are scum with him. If I am inadvertently wrong and he's town, then all bets are off. From now on I will be happy to ignore your batshit insane bullshit until such time as Rayn flips, proves conclusively that he's town or you scumclaim like Yamato. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 14 2013 18:57 GMT
#2963
On August 15 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why do you actually think i am scum Acro? 1. You are focusing on all the wrong stuff. You spend an inordinate amount of time trying to "figure out" stuff, that is not indicative of alignment at all. It looks as if you're really busy and uncovering important information, but you're not. You're just wasting everybody's time. 2. You have few reads, and those you do have are badly explained. When asked about your reads, you promptly forget about what reads you had before, indicating that you made them up in the first place. SnB also pointed out that you have given 0 reasons for the reads that you HAVE posted in the thread. Your two reads that you have followed up on are Onegu, and more recently Mocsta. Onegu looks quite likely town to me. Mocsta is a bad lynch target for today and you should know that. Other than that you have gone after johnnywup, who I have explained a few times now, is probably town. 3. Your apparent unwill to be lord and take the spotlight of House Greyjoy. Now you can just yell and wave your arms about with no consequences: you have no vote. Fucking easy way out imho. Giving other people a turn if they want to and you have a town read makes some sense (your reasons for not contesting Risen on D2) to further gauge their playstyle. When it turns out they are batshit insane and will cause more harm than good regardless of their actual alignment, a townie would want that vote back. A scum would be happy to just sit out the ride and watch Risen cause wanton destruction: he was obviously going tunnel mode on Sharrant at the end of yesterday. Do you have a scumread on Sharrant? I don't think so. Why are you so complacent about the house vote, YOUR vote ending on someone you don't have a scumread on? | ||
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August 14 2013 18:59 GMT
#2965
On August 15 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 03:37 Vivax wrote: On August 15 2013 03:32 Xatalos wrote: I was just going to say that Risen is basically mentally retarded. There's no way anyone sane could think I was scum from our exchange. Like what? I'm starting to lose faith in humanity and most of all in Risen's ability to think at all. On August 15 2013 03:35 Xatalos wrote: But it does feel like he truly believed that so it's not really scummy. Just unbelievably dumb. Like totally ridiculous in every imaginable fashion. "Too dumb to be scum".... Not sure. He's taking that so far, is it intentional...... To be honest I doubt it. That's just such a great amount of stupid. What a nice person you are. Throw insults and then give him a townread, is that advancedz scumz tacticz? lol i do that all the time as town i may add. You are (far) more useless than usual. You scum, bro? | ||
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August 14 2013 19:17 GMT
#2974
On August 15 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: You fucking called me out on D2 for "not doing shit". Now you are calling me out for not doing shit. I wanted to be lord on D2, i wanted to be lord on D3. If i had not consolidated our house would have not a lord at all. wtf are you talking about Acro. You are full of shit. Maybe if you did shit, I wouldn't call you out for not doing shit. Still waiting for Risen's assessment of you. You claim to have PM'd a lot with him, but he hasn't responded. Maybe you did really want to be lord and were just being cockblocked. Why can't you stand up to a bully like Risen? Seems pretty simple from where I'm standing. | ||
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August 14 2013 19:20 GMT
#2978
On August 15 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: now you are calling me out for DOING SHIT that does not accomplish anything because i am not a lord. I'm fucking done with this bullshit. I am scum because i am not a lord? Nah, you're still not doing shit, except calling Mocsta scum because he won't own up to his predecessor's scummy shit. Yeah, his predecessor was pretty fucking scummy. Mocsta's play so far isn't really. Making him focus on his predecessor's crap is completely pointless and classifies as not doing shit (see my point 1). Other than that, you are a backseat driver in pretty much everything that has happened in the thread, except for giving a town read on Risen. | ||
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August 14 2013 21:05 GMT
#3046
On August 15 2013 05:40 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 05:36 strongandbig wrote: i've wasted way too much time at work already. i'll be back in a few hours or something, idk. i'm not sure if i can keep this up, maybe it would be easier just to say fuck it. Just keep in mind that martyring means auto-lynch. It creates a terrible meta where scum can martyr and stop posting whenever they're pressured. Even if you are genuinely frustrated, it's not acceptable. I disagree. There's genuine and fake martyring. This doesn't sound like martyring at all, but go and look at goodkarma's martyring post in Catch 22. So incredibly townie. Also, I FINALLY remember where Rayn was playing scum. He got shot out of the blue by Coag. I don't think anybody else saw he was scum in that game. Gonna look at that again, and will also check Titanic. About Strongandbig: he has been hovering on the edge of my scumdar. I suggested to Iamp that we shoot him in the face, but then he posted his case on Risen, which was good (at the time). I also thought this was a rather townie response to me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19495430 But it doesn't seem to be enough. Been watching this discussion from the sidelines (at work) and all I really see SnB doing is repeat "I'm not scum" in different words. Yeah, that's what anybody would say. Less saying that you're not scum and more doing stuff. I do like the bits about Vivax. On August 15 2013 05:35 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 05:29 Xatalos wrote: On August 15 2013 05:21 strongandbig wrote: On August 15 2013 05:13 Xatalos wrote: On August 15 2013 05:12 strongandbig wrote: On August 15 2013 05:09 Xatalos wrote: On August 15 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 15 2013 04:54 Xatalos wrote: On August 15 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 15 2013 04:45 Xatalos wrote: [quote] I think it's pretty null to make such a stupid mistake. How would scum benefit from doing that on purpose? It looked more like he was overjoyed about finding a scumslip and went with it, not like he tried to justify a scumread on me or anything like that. It was so sudden and weird. Could still be scum motivated, just seemed more like null or even townish to do that. I think you're just not reading the thread. My suspicions for Risen had already started before I noticed his inconsistent thought process. Then he posted that he had only suspected DI because of his connection to me. That's just 100% false. 1) It was the other way around, a big part of his case of his case on me was based on my connection to DI. 2) Even if it wasn't the other way around, it wasn't possibly ONLY because of DI's connection to me. There were many other reasons but nothing about a connection. It made me think his original case was all made up, since he couldn't even grasp the logic of his own case HIMSELF. What town would decide their reads, then justify them with bad logic, then not even understand the logic behind their reads? That's right, only scum would do that. (After witnessing Risen's total failure in thinking on several occasions, I've had to admit that maybe he's just incapable of logic altogether.) [quote] I still suspected Acro somewhat when I was arguing with him, and I still do have some very slight suspicion. But iamperfection's strong belief in Acro being town and the townish feeling of the argument between us made me stop pursuing him as potential scum. If he's still alive at LYLO, there would be reason to revisit him. I think you misread his post. He had several points for Sharrant being town or for being scum. He said something like "Sharrant isn't playing his town meta, but he's been AFK so that might explain it. Overall leaning town". Just reread it with an objective mind. The rolename thing = the "forced aggression". At least I think so, you should go ask him. I can't know what he's thinking. I was just trying to say that he's not necessarily scum and he's not a good lynch for today. Maybe for later, but not at the moment. I'm not going to restart the argument about the rolenames, it already buried countless pages for no gain. And it wasn't the only thing I mentioned, I also mentioned that you had apparently wasted iamperfection's time with pointless questions and had tons of useless filler one-liner posts. where have i wasted iamps time with pointless questions? your other answers fall into the category: You are calling me scum for things you don't even know what they mean. Do you see how retarded that is? From iamperfection's last will: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point would still guess he is town though." I'm not even calling you scum. Just that you're scum much more likely than in NWM and more likely than Acro. So do you know what these pointless questions are? Because i sure do not. Why are you bringing them up if you don't? To me it seems like you are trying to throw shit on someone who a now confirmed town was suspicious about. And to strengthen your D2 read, which was full of shit. Why did you say i "was focusing on wrong things"? You have never explained that. I guess he means Lord PM's. Impossible to prove that though. I won't make the mistake of "confirming" someone and let them do whatever they want. I did that with Ace and Koshi in NWM, for example, and it was ugly. If there's reason for doubt, I will point it out. Have you considered that "wrong things" might mean things such as the rolename spam, pointless one-liners and whatever iamperfection meant? I find it pretty damning that all of snb's contributions come under pressure. His play is completely reactive and passive. It's time to increase the pressure. ##Vote strongandbig seriously? what do you want from me? should i ignore the fact that people are calling for me to be killed? You could start scumhunting instead of finding reasons for why you could be town. (1) I already have a scumread that I want people to lynch. no one is engaging my case. I'm not sure how you think I could be more effective just saying the same things about Risen that I've already said. (2) how can i start scumhunting if people are assuming i'm scum, they're not going to listen to anything i say or else will say "i'm just attacking someone else to defend myself." (3) everyone so far has been ignoring everything i've said about risen and just used it as reasons to find me scummy (4) i honestly believe that it is more important as a townie not to get lynched than it is to find scum. I have consistently said this both in and out of games for the past year. I am not going to ignore the fact that I am the number one lynch candidate and that people are voting me for bad reasons, if I can show them why their reasons are bad and persuade them not to vote me then that is way more important to me than persuading them to vote for someone else. So tell me. What do you think about the "reasons why I could be town." Care to tell me why you think I'm scum despite the reasons given being all either based on activity or untrue? Why you suddenly decide that I'm the number one person who should be killed? oh also HOW ARE MY ATTACKS ON RISEN OR VIVAX REACTIVE OR PASSIVE? YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP!!!!! This post sounds like the dying cry of a wounded animal for some reason. I think yamato's push on you is pretty null. He could have chosen to softly bus you (not going to get you lynched in any case). Or you're town and he just chose some townie. Actually the bussing theory makes more sense, but it's pretty null. Reactive: posting under pressure. Not doing anything meaningful while not under pressure. Scumhunting is the most important attribute of a townie. It's the most important part of defending yourself. If you can't provide that, even under pressure, you're not showing a town mindset. The problem is that when you're under pressure, you "can't focus". When you're not under pressure, you choose to just be passive. Why is Vivax scum? Do you have any other scumreads besides him and Risen? What do you think of Risen's failure attack on me? yamato's pressure was not soft, he was the one who started the arguments and themes that are currently getting me killed. i was not passive on day two, i put together a large case on risen, and i was not passive earlier this morning when i started posting about vivax. vivax is scum because he gave up his reads so easily when lords didn't agree with him, which is absolutely nothing like the town vivax i've played with, who shouts his reads at the mountains until the end of time and just rages when people don't listen to him. that's the main reason That is a pretty accurate description of town Vivax and I haven't seen that Vivax this game either. House Stark sucks. Clarity should have the inside information and he says Strongandbig. Clarity seems like town. Clarity, I have asked you twice now and still nothing: can you tell us more about Vivax, what he said about Yamato and why you seem to think he's town? | ||
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August 14 2013 21:35 GMT
#3052
On August 15 2013 06:31 Dandel Ion wrote: alright going to sleep will be afk pretty much all of tomorrow. probably. hf, lynch bitches, etc ##nuke Dandel Ion | ||
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August 15 2013 03:52 GMT
#3111
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August 15 2013 04:08 GMT
#3114
On August 15 2013 06:52 kushm4sta wrote: acro can you plz not shoot me again Just don't vote me for lord again and you're safe. Although I'll try to convince Sharrant to shoot you. It felt really good. PS. Did it hurt? Where did I hit you? | ||
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August 15 2013 04:11 GMT
#3116
On August 15 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote: ? No acro. What a weird question. Do u object to what I posted in the thread? I have no clue what you have posted in the thread since you woke up. I just wanted to gauge your response. You seem timid. | ||
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August 15 2013 04:13 GMT
#3117
On August 15 2013 13:03 s0Lstice wrote: I really would have liked it if you were lord this cycle Acro. Do you not trust Sharrant? | ||
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August 15 2013 04:20 GMT
#3120
On August 15 2013 11:06 Risen wrote: And Chrom your version falls apart when you realize Sharrant gave Acro the option of Yamato and kush. He wasn't hoping for anything. Nice try? No. He said "dude, I'm a cop. Who should I check?" (paraphrasing, duh) Shit. I was going to ignore you. Failed already | ||
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August 15 2013 04:32 GMT
#3121
On August 15 2013 13:16 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 13:11 Acrofales wrote: On August 15 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote: ? No acro. What a weird question. Do u object to what I posted in the thread? I have no clue what you have posted in the thread since you woke up. I just wanted to gauge your response. You seem timid. Well. It's a dumb question Anyone would answer no But u showed signs of intelligence with the rayn case so it was unexpected to be asked something so useless from u. Now. Yes we are same timezone. Let us use this to our best advantage. ??johnny?? said sharrant had an awesome case on koshi. Have u sighted this? We aremost certainly not in the same timezone. I am in and you are in Regarding Sharrant and Koshi, I could have sworn there was more discussion, but I cannot find it right now. When (if) I sober up I'll give it another try. But atm all I can find is a question from Sharrant asking whether the final post on page 111 has a scumslip. I swear I replied saying I didn't see it, and Sharrant replied to that, bit I can't find either of those PMs. But I may be delusional. I'd ask Sharrant. He doesn't bite. Anyway, I don't think asking you whether you're scum is a weird question at all. Of course everybody says no, but it's the WAY they say no that's interesting. You seemed rather cautious, especially for someone with as much bluster as you. You're in House Martell, so you're safe for now, imho. What's with the caution? As for your culling of the houses, it's pretty fucking stupid. I say we shoot into houses we've culled town to few scum. Greyjoy for instance, one of Risen and Rayn is bound to be scum. So lets kill Rayn. Woooohooo. Get on the Train of Statistical Justice (not the catchiest name in the world, but can't go wrong with math!) | ||
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August 15 2013 13:30 GMT
#3174
On August 15 2013 14:50 s0Lstice wrote: Acro, tell me what you thought of Rayn's filter in Titanic Honestly, I don't think it is similar at all. Noted, I haven't read all 45 pages of it, but for the entire first half of it, he is tunneling FT. He clearly has a scumread (on an actual scum). There are some posts where he focuses on nitpicking wrong things, but they seem to have a point. But it's really neither here nor there. Any game in which someone has a 45-page filter is going to be an exception to his normal play. I don't think you can point to CT as an example of my town game (or of my 3P game). But that seems to be the OPPOSITE of the point you're trying to make, so I'll let you explain what the similarities are between Rayn in Titanic and Rayn here. | ||
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August 15 2013 13:37 GMT
#3178
I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game. Shoot on sight. | ||
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August 15 2013 13:43 GMT
#3184
On August 15 2013 22:38 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote: I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces. I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game. Shoot on sight. Thats town Kush for sure...irk.. reminds me of smurf mafia.. fuck that guy is frustrating Did you just completely skip the second paragraph? He's nothing like smurf mafia kush. | ||
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August 15 2013 13:56 GMT
#3188
On August 15 2013 22:47 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 22:06 Koshi wrote: On August 13 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote: A is true, B is false, C is false A is alone, but B asked C to be false. I sent this to jrkirby, I didnt expect him to figure anything out, but wanted to be safe if oberyn lied to thread. What is this? Me protecting myself with the fake claims. A xata, B oberyn, C me I had almost forgotten you are in this game. Who is scum? | ||
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August 15 2013 14:37 GMT
#3213
On August 15 2013 17:00 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 15 2013 05:04 Koshi wrote: SnB. Same question that I asked you a million times in Sicilian. Who else than you? You always just defend yourself and don't do anything else. In Sicilian you were blaming Vivax his tunnel on you. This time you are going to use the fact that you and Yamato can't be on the same scumteam... You flipped scum in Sicilian and all my townreads are on your ass atm. If I would have a vote I would vote you in an instant. Ok so how is the post not uber scummy and no one calls him out on it. He gives no reads, adds nothing new to the arguement, but happy with the lynch because his townreads are voteing SnB? I am going to look at his NWM filter now as he was scum that game, but for now Imstick with my stance that he is scum. Okay. This is an actual read. I have to say that since Baratheon is such a clusterfuck, I haven't actually payed much attention to them. I suspect DI most of all of them, but Koshi seems to be blending. I'll filter him properly and get back to you. I have a better feeling on acro now he has dropped the roleplaying, he seem much more town now. Meh, that's a terrible reason. I also like chromes post on the sharrant claim amd I agree with his point as that is the most likely option. This says nothing. I am null on rayne for now, I think there are better lynch options than him for now, since he hasnt been lord I feel his play has suffered though. Stand-offish null read :/ Looking through vivax now, I remember I thought he was town day 1. Update please. I would like people to make a case on me that isnt raynes case, I am getting alot of I am scum messages in PMs but not alot of reasons why. Out of tue lords I have spoken with I am getting heavy town feelings from clarity, xata, chrome ans s0L. Wait.. what? How have you been PM'ing Chrom? He's not a lord and while he WAS lord yesterday, Oberyn was lord of House Martell. How the fuck are you in PM contact with Chrom? Given that you cannot be, this "town" list is pretty meaningless and seems made up on the spot. I was baseing alot of my mocsta read off of my jrkirby read and the fact he has been open in PMs. That being said he needs to be more active in thread, I guess I need to also. Okay. I hadn't actually looked at you properly. Doing a full reread, but this list was horrid, giving no reasons for your reads and some of them seeming bullshit (your townread on me, your townread on Chrom, and by extension the lords who DID PM you). | ||
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August 15 2013 14:41 GMT
#3215
On August 15 2013 23:35 Onegu wrote: Still have no idea why town would post that in thread that they would vote SnB in a instant because thier townreads were voteing him. You don't know why a townie would sheep their town read? You haven't played much, have you? It happens ALL the time. Hell, I've done it. | ||
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August 15 2013 14:43 GMT
#3217
On August 15 2013 17:05 Onegu wrote: Sorry Sharr not chrome, as lords I have spoken with Use "EBWOP", so people know when they look in your filter that this is talking about your previous post. | ||
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August 15 2013 14:44 GMT
#3218
On August 15 2013 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Acro, from memory you're quoting a bunch of different people, yet the way you quote is doesn't say who is who. I can answer one thing: the xata quote "Out of tue lords I have spoken with I am getting heavy town feelings from clarity, xata, chrome ans s0L." His following post said "I meant sharrant, not chrom" They were all quotes from Onegu's list post. He already clarified. False alarm. | ||
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August 15 2013 16:58 GMT
#3266
Strongandbig Koshi Vivax I already did SnB and Vivax yesterday and my thoughts are in the thread, but there have been some new observations from people, as well as some activity (at least from SnB). Will redo and update. @Clarity: as I said, I looked at Rayn's filter in Titanic and it is bountiful. Please tell me what you think is so similar to his play here, because I don't see it. @Mocsta: you have no fucking clue how SnB's scum meta works, so why are you giving him a town read based on meta. Your meta read is entirely wrong... and I want you to either explain it in detail with examples, or I will assume you just made it up. Scum-SnB is timid and doesn't push his reads AT ALL. The only exception I can think of is how we went up against Oats in Sicilian (think it was Sicilian), which he almost certainly did to emulate his town meta at the time of policy-calling-Oats-scum. | ||
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August 15 2013 17:27 GMT
#3279
On August 16 2013 02:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Acro, especially his d3 and onwards is just a shitstorm. The major similarity is the questions he asks. Maybe from reading his filter it doesn't come across, but most of them were completely useless. Either the answer was readily available for those who looked or the answer was gonna be useless regardless. That is your main problem with rayn is it not? btw, snb just said his scum meta is to push oats, and now acro just said his town meta is to push oats. I don't believe in either one since that would be a terrible thing to do, push one person consistently as a particular alignment, but why the difference? I actually misremembered PTP 4 and thought he was calling Oats scum for being disruptive and dumb, but he was calling DI scum for those reasons. So ignore the bit about pushing Oats as his meta regardless of alignment. The main point I was trying to make wasn't about Oats, it was about him not really pushing as scum. However, looking over his recent town games, just ignore meta entirely... at least my assessment of it. In PTP SnB got modkilled for inactivity (and I could have sworn he was scum, as I said before I died in the game, and insisted on it in obs qt afterwards). In NWM he got endgamed (by a scum Oats, I might add, lol). I would have called him scum if I was in that game. My calling SnB scum is thus not very trustworthy: I used to be able to read him back when his scum meta was to do fuckall and his town meta was to share good reads and push people he thought were scum. Unfortunately, his town meta lately is to play exactly like his scum game. What I DO know is that if Mocsta is representing SnB's meta as "pushing" people hard, he has no clue about SnB's playstyle, regardless of alignment. | ||
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August 15 2013 17:37 GMT
#3282
On August 16 2013 02:13 Mocsta wrote: @ Acro.. Im not proclaiming to be an SnB expert. I hate the guys play, and he hates mine. But in all the town games i played with him; he has honed onto oats like a homing missile. Personality 2 rings a big bell. Anyways, my original read on SnB Show nested quote + I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town. I already explained to someone else why i said pushing nothing to me was town. It was a personal heuristic, not an SnB one. Regardless, in Sicilian I the memories I have is that he was constantly pushing a mislynch even in death (e.g. the whole SK thing).. so perhaps his general scum meta is to be timid, but i was judging him off the scum snb i just played with 1 week ago. Im also not sure how much I buy the whole oats love story cos showing mindset in night 0.. I have to re-read that whole "redacted" shite, and double check how snb handled the oats/yamato lynch but thats tomorrow too tired gotta sleep. To me, Vivax is still a surer lynch. Ohhhhh... it was Personality 2 where he kept calling Oats scum. But he was town there, so not quite sure how this supports your earlier argument in any way, shape or form. | ||
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August 15 2013 19:44 GMT
#3341
Name claiming Lets start with the whole Clarity thing. I didn't like how it got blown up into a giant problem, but didn't really think much of it. However, rereading it seems somewhat scummy to nameclaim like that. Scum (at least some of them) have townie names, as evidenced by Yamato flipping Doran Martell. If, at the start of the game, you can gain some town credit by nameclaiming, this seems like a pretty good idea. If scum have some kind of KP that relies on nameclaiming, then it makes it a fucking excellent idea. This was the reason I was a bit suspicious of johnnywup at the start of the game. Nameclaiming is simply not a townie thing to do when you have zero knowledge about the setup. He subsequently made a big stink about how Clarity sent the message on to Oatsmaster, and I found Oats' behaviour in the whole ordeal really fucking scummy, so forgot about SnB's nameclaim starting the whole thing off. But I want some answers: SnB: why did you ignore all the risks of nameclaiming if you're town. Johnnywup, when I pressed him, claimed ignorance. You, however, are not a newbie and have played in at least 2 games I can think of where nameclaiming could get you killed (and in fact, in CT you had the very role to kill nameclaimers unless I am mistaking things). Additionally you claim it's a townie thing to do and should get you elected. You KNOW this is false. Why the lies? Worthless reads as a lord As a lord, we get this: On August 10 2013 01:20 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys On phone today so I'll be less active in pms than I was for the past several days. I want my house to pm me though and explain who they want me to vote for and why. Currently I'm not liking clarity as a lynch target anymore. I also don't want to lynch oatsmaster. It looks like the sol case is winding down a bit but I will retread those parts before the lynch. More later Distancing himself from his own vote. On August 10 2013 06:06 strongandbig wrote: i also wouldn't mind lynching acro for playing in character. Test balloon: lets see if we can get a decent town player lynched on a ridiculous pretext. If people wagon, then awesome, otherwise no harm no foul. Then his vote ends up on Onegu: On August 10 2013 06:13 strongandbig wrote: Right now I think I want to lynch onegu the most. I thought the pressure on him at the start was for a bad reason, but he didn't really do anything at all in the way of scumhunting when the pressure was taken off of him. So ##vote: onegu This is one of the shoddiest votes I have ever seen, especially as the earlier posts were him actually defending Onegu: On August 09 2013 00:24 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol Oberyn, did you even read my post? Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town.. not a huge problem, his logic makes sense. he's saying it's poor play for a townie to take that action, but it doesn't make sense for a scum member to take it so it's more likely coming from a bad townie than from scum. So what made Onegu a worse lurker than jrkirby, FirmTofu, gumshoe, or really any of the other useless lurkers. Nothing. Onegu was, in fact, a less useless lurker. But he needed to toss his vote without letting it be accountable at all. Active when pressured Then on D2 when he is no longer lord, and just as people are starting to think seriously of shooting him dead at night, he comes in to save his ass with the case on Risen. His reason for not wanting to be lord is fucking phoney as hell: he wanted to reclaim his townie status, but did absolutely NOTHING towards that. Resulting in him basically disqualifying himself from the lord position, where he would not be able to lurk as much. Most of this has already been discussed, so I'll leave it at this. The Yamato connection Yamato on SnB: On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything). His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. Neither of these seem like sincere efforts to push a lynch on SnB, and particularly the second one is complete nonsense: half a meta read because it IGNORES the fact that SnB's latest town games have been lurky sacks of uselessness as well. He was endgamed and ignored by scum in NWM, and modkilled for inactivity in PTP. Hardly a shining record to contrast with his lurky inactive scumgame. This read was easily discredited, but notice that SnB has no real interaction with yamato, despite SnB being yamato's main scumread. He just ignores it, because he knows yamato will never push the read. What we do have, is this: On August 10 2013 06:04 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 05:58 yamato77 wrote: On August 10 2013 05:55 Acrofales wrote: On August 10 2013 05:51 yamato77 wrote: Most of SNB's contribution to the game consists of making a big deal out of some rolename controversy within his own house on N0. Aside from complaining that Clarity unwittingly ruined some sort of plan (lolwhatever), there's almost nothing of substance in his filter aside from a townread on Dandel (like that means anything). His activity also fits in with his scum meta-activity as evidenced by the same sort of lurky and somewhat disinterested play he exhibited in Sicilian. He's set himself up so that he is voting for who his house wants to vote for, conveniently absolving himself of any true scumhunting in-thread. In a previous encounter, a jousting match at Castle PTP, he was largely unavailable and never contributed anything of value, yet was town. Not to say that I encourage that behaviour, but I'm not sure it's sufficient for murdering him. So how do you advise we treat the SnB situation, then, Acro? Let him lurk into LYLO? It's not like he's an incompetent town player. If he's town, he's good enough to show it. idiot i'm busier today than i was yesterday. that doesn't mean im lurking. i just coutned, i have sent 123 PMs this game. so fuck you saying i'm scum for inactivity. also you should know better than this. my activity is just as bad when i'm town as it is when i'm scum. if not worse. you are making up things to suit your agenda and i woudl be down to lynch or vig you. 2 minutes later comes the test balloon of lynching me for roleplaying, and another 5 minutes later his vote is on Onegu with NO explanation worth speaking of (except, he's lurking). What happened to this will to lynch Yamato? It vanished in thin air... in about 5 minutes flat. On D2 you'd think he'd have something to say about the red check on Yamato when he was so happy to report he had caught up on the thread, but no. He spouted off some nothingness that said very little in very many words. Avoid the contaminated scumbuddy like the plague! @all lords: please lynch. | ||
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August 15 2013 19:52 GMT
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August 15 2013 19:54 GMT
#3352
On August 16 2013 04:52 s0Lstice wrote: If Vivax flips scum you're dead Acro Will be reading Vivax after Koshi. Explain yourself. | ||
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August 15 2013 20:39 GMT
#3385
On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote: Basically it went down in our house like this. S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice. Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma. As for scumreads: DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum. Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Based purely on experience, which is all you had to go on at this point, but s0lstice AND Dandel Ion are better scumhunters than Chromatically. Seeing as all three wanted to be lord, ONE of them was going to have to fold. Why did you not try to convince Chromatically to vote alongside with you for one of the "best scumhunters", rather than such a stand-offish approach where everybody called each other scum until you voted for the LEAST experienced scumhunter in your house (other than you yourself)? Verdict: scum I don't like your soft stance on Oats either. You keep "pressuring him", while in the same sentence letting him know that there is no pressure and you don't intend to pursue it because "the whole thread is laughing at you". Not sure if it's a scumtell or a badtell, but it pretty much disqualifies all your reads in the early game, which were built around your Oats read: Clarity scummy for soft-defending Oats, strongandbig scummy for not going after Oats. I dunno where I'm going with this, but it just feels like there is no real pressure and as long as Oats doesn't flip you can keep up these ridiculous association cases. Of course, the flipside of this is that Oats dying looks like scum KP, and why would scum Koshi undermine his own favourite tunnel? Verdict: null D2 Baratheon politics is still fucking weird: On August 12 2013 03:53 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Does it matter now rayn? Ok if we lynch yamato and hes town, can I choose who we lynch d3? Now after s0lstice explaining to me what Oats his meta is I must say that Oats is playing like that on D2. However, above post gave me instant flashbacks to Cora in Titanic. Always seeing townreads and then suggesting a "sure" scumlynch. Rayn, Oats and Clarity know what I am talking about. s0lstice is now confirmed town to me. In the night he tried to help me on how to play better, which is something that scum would never do in the way s0lstice did. Sadly I do not have any new scumreads except that everybody who has been posting lately is probably town... I could point out to some inactives but that is just too easy. How do you vote for Chromatically if s0lstice is confirmed town? There's no strong town read on Chrom ANYWHERE in Koshi's filter, yet he was magically elected. Again. This is, of course, not only down to Koshi, because Chrom said: On August 11 2013 14:29 Chromatically wrote: Show nested quote + On August 11 2013 14:24 Onegu wrote: @chrome did no one put themselves up for lord? Or did everyone and it just came to you again? Solstice and Dandel didn't run, and they were both fine with me. But there is something funky in Baratheon politics, and funky voting is scummy voting. When I get done with Vivax I'll take a closer look at the rest of the Stags. Verdict: fuck knows The KP stuff that Sharrant is going on about: On August 12 2013 22:51 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On August 12 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote: On August 12 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote: On August 12 2013 22:35 iamperfection wrote: On August 12 2013 22:34 Koshi wrote: On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote: Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. THAT REMINDS ME OF YOUR SHITTY CASE ON ME. HAHAHAHA You scum Onegu? lol speaking of shitty cases maybe you should go read the one you just posted. You can only claim stupid or scum tbh. What vigi was ever going to shoot gumshoe? herpderp I better us my vigi shot on a 1 hp lurker (or at least very low) Like how is that even the most plausible reason why gum died???? Most likely is that one in your House is scum or you are scum. Like 99% scum killed gumshoe, 1% a retarded vigi. listen you retard how the fuck would the vigi know that gum had 1 hp IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PRETTY LOW AFTER ALL LORDS SHOT HIM? Ok maybe not 1 hp. But it wasn't going to be 15 HP. wtfff? Like how do you even refuse to see that this doesn't make sense? And of couse nobody in the thread is paying attention to me when I am actually finding scum............ Typical. Well, either scum intentionally spread out their KP, or they didn't know people's HP. So I don't see how Sharrant's case makes much sense for Koshi being scum based on this. I actually think they DID spread out their KP on purpose and offed gumshoe, because he was an easy pushover. I see no real reason for a town vigi to shoot someone who is already dying. But I don't think this speculation here is indicative of alignment at all. SK is an interesting option: it would be easy to hide as a vigi and shoot gumshoe in the face and maybe one of the D2 kills was an SK shot. It fits the pattern of wanting to help town if the lynch is on a town, and scum if a scumbag is lynched. All the while keeping hidden as well as possible. Worth keeping in mind. The fixation with it (both the shot, and bringing up 3p for no reason) also points that way: + Show Spoiler + On August 12 2013 23:34 Koshi wrote: @Sharrant A vig with a 1 KP shot? Or 3 KP shot? Like how stupid is that? A vig shoots people death, not hit them for 1 HP... I could see 3hp/5hp vig if the vig can shoot multiple times but then it is still stupid to shoot gumshoe unless for some reason you think gumshoe has 10 hp. While that doesn't make any sense at all because lords can only do 6 hp damage combined. Also that's not even the point. The point is that iamp says that it is MOST LIKELY a vig. While it is most likely it is scum in his house knowing gumshoe has 1 hp. but w.e. I drop it because everybody thinks iamp is town. On August 14 2013 18:05 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + Koshi Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum. Tried to question my House about Chrom. I have a strong townread on s0lstice (3p is also possible) and I didn't like Chrom tunnel on s0lstice but my entire House thinks Chrom is town, all Lords think Chrom is town and Chrom his PMs are indeed ok to think he is town. But we don't PM that much, which is House Baratheon style. I could actually see Chrom being 3p now. It fits perfect, because you can fool people easier because you don't know who is scum. Request: Who posted that yamato could be Mr.X. ? I can't find that post anymore. On August 14 2013 18:24 Koshi wrote: Also Mocsta, could you analyze jrkirby his filter? I find it suspicious you don't say anything about that. Now with the current flips jrkirby looks scummy as fuck. You putting iamp on top of your scumlist right before he dies is feeling so wrong as well. It just feels completely wrong. btw I made a case on iamp before, which you seemed to have missed? But all other people said iamp was town, and then right before (or should I say after?) he dies you put him on top of the your scumlist. Do you know how Ver "proved" I was SK in Sicilian? Because I asked stupid questions at the start. Look at these: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote: One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have. This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like. Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok, finally caught up again. This thread grew 15 pages while I was reading 10. People I want lynched/shot: 1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here. 2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this? 3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case. 4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance. Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 06:55 jrkirby wrote: On August 09 2013 06:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Why is this conversation happening in the thread as opposed to pms? #Trafficcop We cannot PM people outside our houses, right? I also added in between the scumlist jrkirby made. yamato hanging on the bottom is lol. Verdict: 3P Today's push on Mocsta. I actually kinda like it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I believe HE believes his push. Of course, if he's actually 3P, that makes perfect sense. 3P has no knowledge about who is town and who is scum, but neither does town. Benefit of the doubt. Verdict: townish Without actual evidence of a 3P existing (need more NKs to make sense), I don't think Koshi is a good lynch at all. He doesn't feel like scum at all, except maybe for the politics on D1. So lets call him town, unless we have more evidence for an SK or other 3P player. Random setup speculation: an SK Littlefinger would be fucking awesome. I so hope that's true. | ||
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August 15 2013 20:40 GMT
#3386
On August 16 2013 05:06 Koshi wrote: Can I shoot somebody? Shit. You really an SK? | ||
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August 15 2013 20:45 GMT
#3390
On August 16 2013 05:24 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 16 2013 05:23 Xatalos wrote: On August 16 2013 05:19 s0Lstice wrote: Yea we can't not lynch him now. My gut says he is telling the truth though. I'm maybe slightly leaning on Survivor too. But.... Still. He hasn't played townish in any fashion this game. Wouldn't he at least try a bit (maybe not enough to get NK'd) as Survivor? as survivor he'd try to survive right about now. instead of claiming and fucking off. The same can obviously be said about a scum player. There's still 8 hours left on the lynch. It makes no sense to fake claim and fuck off as scum when he has PLENTY of time to push the lynch off himself. Especially with Clarity and myself pushing SnB... unless SnB is scum as well, but then this STILL doesn't make sense. It is suboptimal play REGARDLESS of alignment. The question is to figure out his actual alignment. Good thing I was gonna filter dive him anyway! @Vivax: as a survivor JK why did you jail one of Onegu or Sharrant? | ||
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August 15 2013 20:49 GMT
#3395
On August 16 2013 05:30 Xatalos wrote: Where art thou, Lord Acrofales? I'm not a lord. My lord is afk What do you want to know? | ||
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August 15 2013 20:57 GMT
#3410
On August 16 2013 05:53 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 16 2013 05:50 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 16 2013 05:47 Dandel Ion wrote: On August 16 2013 05:44 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm trying to figure out if lynching vivax is the correct play. Xata you say you agree he's more likely survivor jailer than scum, right? Let's say he's 100% survivor jailer, should we lynch him? as confirmed not-town, it would be his place to answer why we shouldn't lynch him. he didn't and doesn't it's ez, really. Town win condition is to kill all scum, yes? Scum win condition is to kill people till they outnumber everyone else. How does lynching a survivor help town win condition? lol i just checked and according to the OP, town needs to eliminate all "non-town" lol lol lol Yup. Fuck filterdiving ##vote Vivax | ||
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August 15 2013 20:58 GMT
#3412
On August 16 2013 05:57 s0Lstice wrote: wait...how does survivor ever win if this is true? -Town wins when all non-town are eliminated. Mafia wins when all non-mafia are eliminated, or nothing can prevent this from happening. if its survivor and a group of town only left, the game continues until the survivor is dead, but then how does the survivor win? same deal with mafia He's not a survivor? At best he's an SK, but he's probably just scum who rolled over and died. | ||
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August 16 2013 00:01 GMT
#3510
On August 16 2013 08:37 Grackaroni wrote: Would like some opinions from people more familiar with DI. DI's filter is getting lazier and less interested every single day cycle. Day1 is the easiest day to act pro-town and he seems to have gotten progressively scummier over time and shows little interest in the lynches. Are you scum? Like. I can name one thing which makes DI con-fucking-firmed town regardless of how he trolls and how lazy he is. It was a kinda big thing that happened. No meta required. Dandel Ion And yeah, Risen, I am not afraid of saying that, because unless all of scum had their brains scooped out and replaced with jello, they already have him marked as confirmed town. | ||
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August 16 2013 00:04 GMT
#3513
On August 16 2013 09:03 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 16 2013 09:01 Acrofales wrote: On August 16 2013 08:37 Grackaroni wrote: Would like some opinions from people more familiar with DI. DI's filter is getting lazier and less interested every single day cycle. Day1 is the easiest day to act pro-town and he seems to have gotten progressively scummier over time and shows little interest in the lynches. Are you scum? Like. I can name one thing which makes DI con-fucking-firmed town regardless of how he trolls and how lazy he is. It was a kinda big thing that happened. No meta required. Dandel Ion And yeah, Risen, I am not afraid of saying that, because unless all of scum had their brains scooped out and replaced with jello, they already have him marked as confirmed town. suck it, softboy To be fair, if Vivax flips some kinda 3rd party, you're back to being scum. | ||
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August 16 2013 00:05 GMT
#3517
On August 16 2013 09:04 Dandel Ion wrote: well not lazier than usually Whatever. I didn't call you useful. Just town. | ||
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August 16 2013 00:07 GMT
#3521
On August 16 2013 09:06 Dandel Ion wrote: you said lazy i read it You are. And you know it. | ||
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August 17 2013 03:30 GMT
#3636
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August 17 2013 05:03 GMT
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August 17 2013 05:05 GMT
#3643
On August 17 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote: Hhmmm why did xatalos relinquish? That is far from the most interesting question. WTF happened in Winterfell? SnB scum and some kinda coupe? | ||
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August 17 2013 05:07 GMT
#3646
On August 17 2013 14:06 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:05 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote: Hhmmm why did xatalos relinquish? That is far from the most interesting question. WTF happened in Winterfell? SnB scum and some kinda coupe? what do you mean? We'll know soon enough. If Rayn, Mocsta and Grack instavote for someone, we're fucked. | ||
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August 17 2013 05:15 GMT
#3649
On August 17 2013 14:10 s0Lstice wrote: we aren't at mylo are we? because that is not a concern otherwise. Closed setup, so good luck defining whether we're at lylo or not. House Stark not having a leader seems like a scumplay. The lack of deaths seems like IF it was a power grab it only half-succeeded at best. I'm gonna park my vote. Plurality lynch, so better be paranoid as hell. ##vote Strongandbig | ||
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August 17 2013 05:16 GMT
#3650
On August 17 2013 14:14 s0Lstice wrote: anyway though I will be interested to hear inb4 s&b forgot to vote Then he would be modkilled. | ||
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August 17 2013 05:22 GMT
#3654
On August 17 2013 14:19 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:15 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 14:10 s0Lstice wrote: we aren't at mylo are we? because that is not a concern otherwise. Closed setup, so good luck defining whether we're at lylo or not. House Stark not having a leader seems like a scumplay. The lack of deaths seems like IF it was a power grab it only half-succeeded at best. I'm gonna park my vote. Plurality lynch, so better be paranoid as hell. ##vote Strongandbig its quite obvious scum can split their kp, or something of that nature. why doesn't scum just focus on clarity and kill him off by spreading it around less? surely this is an easier path to controlling that vote? You tell me. You seem to know quite a lot about this? | ||
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August 17 2013 05:30 GMT
#3663
On August 17 2013 14:22 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:15 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 14:10 s0Lstice wrote: we aren't at mylo are we? because that is not a concern otherwise. Closed setup, so good luck defining whether we're at lylo or not. House Stark not having a leader seems like a scumplay. The lack of deaths seems like IF it was a power grab it only half-succeeded at best. I'm gonna park my vote. Plurality lynch, so better be paranoid as hell. ##vote Strongandbig This is a bullshit vote. If you think this is scumplay, then ask the question to both parties within House Stark. Further, you cast scummy doubt over 3 of the lords if they hastily vote. Then you proceed to become a hypocrite. Yeah. I still don't trust you. I also have no clue what you mean. I think Clarity is town. He has been open with his reads all game. I don't think Strongandbig is town. Clarity NOT becoming Lord of Winterfell makes me extremely paranoid. I have no idea what happened, but it Reeks of scum. Honestly, if scum controls 3 votes now, they don't have to ninjavote. They can just happily let town chase their tails and then vote at the end of the day, because they have absolute majority. So I was wrong: 5 votes is either scum with absolute dominance or town has a chance. | ||
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August 17 2013 05:33 GMT
#3670
##vote Mocsta Suck it, Kangaroo rider. | ||
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August 17 2013 05:45 GMT
#3674
This game is too easy. Scum surrender pl0x? | ||
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August 17 2013 05:45 GMT
#3676
On August 17 2013 14:43 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:37 Sharrant wrote: On August 17 2013 14:31 Mocsta wrote: On August 17 2013 14:28 Sharrant wrote: On August 17 2013 14:27 s0Lstice wrote: On August 17 2013 14:26 Sharrant wrote: On August 17 2013 14:25 s0Lstice wrote: On August 17 2013 14:19 Sharrant wrote: Hey, Mocsta, who do you want to lynch most right now? Who do you think is the towniest person there is? Why on both of those? hey, why so useless with all that town cred you have? Fine. I'm too excited. I have a red check on Mocsta. You're welcome. well this is gonna be a fun day it looks like. so you are claiming to be an actual detective. you also have the ability to PM two people outside of the normal house PMs. anything else I'm missing? Yeah, you could also read the thread sometime. The two people are the other people in my house. Seriously, even Risen had to print a retraction because of it. Get with the times. Yes, I'm a detective that alternates between alignment check (odd days) and hp check (even days). I think you are town; so Im going to believe the check is valid. I led the lynch on Vivax; why check me? I can't read your posts, and it makes it so I can never read you in a game. I found Kirby scummy, but I know I can't read you, so I used the check on you to simplify matters. OK. ##vote: Mocsta The correct way of doing this is posting a picture of a baby seal. You know NOTHING Lord Martell. | ||
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August 17 2013 05:46 GMT
#3677
On August 17 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote: But at least you learn fast. | ||
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August 17 2013 13:26 GMT
#3905
On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote: That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally....... Jesus. This thread has gone to shit... and by the looks of it Rayn is the reason. Why are people even engaging him? He's scum. So is SnB, and so is Mocsta. Their coup failed, because they planned to kill Clarity, but failed: SnB didn't become lord, and town controls 3 votes. I don't give a shit in which order we kill them. | ||
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August 17 2013 13:41 GMT
#3914
On August 17 2013 22:34 Dandel Ion wrote: the order should be snb -> shoot mocsta Let me think on this. Why is Rayn not in your list? Also, how is Mocsta below full HP? I don't know of any lords shooting him? N1, all lords allegedly shot gumshoe. If someone didn't, they didn't claim. N2, no shots went to Mocsta insofar as I know. N3, only Sharrant claimed to shoot someone other than Kush/jwup and he shot Koshi. So who shot jrkirby/Mocsta? | ||
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August 17 2013 14:00 GMT
#3926
On August 17 2013 22:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 22:41 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 22:34 Dandel Ion wrote: the order should be snb -> shoot mocsta Let me think on this. Why is Rayn not in your list? Also, how is Mocsta below full HP? I don't know of any lords shooting him? N1, all lords allegedly shot gumshoe. If someone didn't, they didn't claim. N2, no shots went to Mocsta insofar as I know. N3, only Sharrant claimed to shoot someone other than Kush/jwup and he shot Koshi. So who shot jrkirby/Mocsta? Need to know information, but both me and xata know. It wasn't really rayn shitting up the thread as much as it was me. Wait... if he's below 7 and not shot by a lord (gone back an checked, and I think all Lord KP is accounted for without shooting Mocsta). That leaves scum KP? I guess there's a chance at a vigi, but why are you assuming the presence of a vigi? ##unvote until this makes sense. | ||
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August 17 2013 14:23 GMT
#3955
I don't care who shot him. I care that it WASN'T scum. Can anybody guarantee that? | ||
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August 17 2013 14:28 GMT
#3959
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 17:29 GMT
#4075
With Mocsta town, it means I was also wrong about how scum planned today out. They clearly didn't give a shit about Sharrant living, so they either believed he is a one-shot cop, which even I didn't believe and I am almost certain he's town, or they tried to kill him and failed, OR their big play is something other than I thought. Lets analyse the situations: 1. I don't think any scum would just casually risk leaving a claimed cop alive. They know he's town, they know he has a vested interest in staying both alive and unblocked, so his ONLY option is to claim 1-shot cop regardless of his actual role. Then he claimed the HP check thingy, so they KNEW he had lied. Why on earth suddenly believe him on the third night. It makes no sense at all. Discarded, because nobody is that stupid. 2. They tried to kill him and failed. It might show up in his health, and that'd make a pretty good cop check: if his health is under 7, he is almost guaranteed to be town. Because no scum shoots themselves in the face. 3. The big play doesn't involve Mocsta, but it involves someone else. Either it succeeded, in which case scum would already have claimed, used their 3 votes and fucked us up the ass, or it failed. The most obvious place of failure is House Stark, if they tried to kill Clarity and failed. A HP check on House Stark might give information about whether this was a Big Play. My house still has its HP check (unless Sharrant used it without telling anyone, in which case I'll know soon enough and we lynch him, then nominate him for both the best and the worst mafia play of the century). I am gonna think about which one to use it on. If any other house still has a HP check, we can just do both. Also, given that this game IS going to succumb to mod-meta-reading unless it is ended the moment Mocsta is modkilled, I think SnB not being banned for breaking the rules multiple times is more likely if he's scum. Scum lost 2 members in 2 consecutive lynches, and a modkill on top of that is something I, as a host, would really try my best to avoid. I think I would be less lenient on townies, after numerous warnings. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 17:40 GMT
#4084
On August 18 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote: Acro can you walk me through your thought process between these two posts? Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:45 Acrofales wrote: Also, I think I'm wrong on Rayn. Mocsta was incriminating him in PM and telling me to push his lynch while calling SnB town. This game is too easy. Scum surrender pl0x? Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 22:26 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote: On August 17 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 17 2013 21:43 Clarity_nl wrote: On August 17 2013 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 17 2013 21:40 Clarity_nl wrote: That last line is phrased poorly but you get the idea. No logical sense from rayn. No, read my posts again. You are totally wrong in what you are saying. Again, you called me a liar twice and now wrong. Yet again, no explanation where I was lying and what is wrong. Xata asked you: "if you think onegu is scum that must mean you think clarity is scum, is he?" You answered: "yes, he is" Problem is then you made up weird reasons Yes i thought you were scum at that time. Not for same reasons than Onegu. But the same "reasoning" applied to both Clarity and Onegu equally....... Jesus. This thread has gone to shit... and by the looks of it Rayn is the reason. Why are people even engaging him? He's scum. So is SnB, and so is Mocsta. Their coup failed, because they planned to kill Clarity, but failed: SnB didn't become lord, and town controls 3 votes. I don't give a shit in which order we kill them. Well, it was mainly continued thought about why Sharrant would be left alive and unroleblocked. It seems to me the only reason scum would do that is because they make a big play, seize control over town and are never planning on letting go: cop checks are irrelevant if you're planning on claiming scum anyway. With Mocsta and SnB pretty deep red, and DI pretty green, that means either Grackaroni, or Rayn has to be scum for it to work at all. I have somewhat of a town read on Grack, and despite Mocsta's PMs, I can obviously see Rayn as scum. Obviously the thought of the plot actually working, and SnB/Clarity being irrelevant to it crossed my mind, but then there's nothing we can do anyway, so why bother about it. Obviously with Mocsta being town, it seems far more likely that they are both scum now, IF it was a Big Play. They might just have been banking on being able to kill Sharrant and a clutch medic saved his life. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 17:59 GMT
#4094
On August 18 2013 02:52 s0Lstice wrote: Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:07 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 14:06 s0Lstice wrote: On August 17 2013 14:05 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote: Hhmmm why did xatalos relinquish? That is far from the most interesting question. WTF happened in Winterfell? SnB scum and some kinda coupe? what do you mean? We'll know soon enough. If Rayn, Mocsta and Grack instavote for someone, we're fucked. Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:15 Acrofales wrote: On August 17 2013 14:10 s0Lstice wrote: we aren't at mylo are we? because that is not a concern otherwise. Closed setup, so good luck defining whether we're at lylo or not. House Stark not having a leader seems like a scumplay. The lack of deaths seems like IF it was a power grab it only half-succeeded at best. I'm gonna park my vote. Plurality lynch, so better be paranoid as hell. ##vote Strongandbig Ok. These two quotes came before the ones I presented to you. So your thought process at the time of these quotes is that Sharrant is town and the check is valid and scum must be making a big play. Within that idea of a big play is that Mocsta, SnB, and Grack/Rayn are scum. How does this quote exist at the time that it happened then? Show nested quote + On August 17 2013 14:45 Acrofales wrote: Also, I think I'm wrong on Rayn. Mocsta was incriminating him in PM and telling me to push his lynch while calling SnB town. This game is too easy. Scum surrender pl0x? You can't be thinking that scum is making a big play (which requires a scum Rayn) and also thinking that Sharrant is town-->has a valid check-->Mocsta is scum-->Rayn is innocent because of attacks by Mocsta. Like these two thoughts cannot exist at the same time. Well, for starters, I received the PM from Mocsta in which he pushed Rayn hard AFTER the first post. Secondly, the red check happened, and it's very different to have suspicions on Mocsta and have a credible red check on Mocsta. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:22 GMT
#4115
On August 18 2013 03:16 Dandel Ion wrote: ##unvote ##vote acro You're an idiot. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:24 GMT
#4119
##vote Strongandbig | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:27 GMT
#4122
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:33 GMT
#4126
On August 18 2013 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2013 03:27 Acrofales wrote: @Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him? why, for towncred obviously Because I need more of that, when I am about the least likely person in the game to get lynched. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:39 GMT
#4130
On August 18 2013 03:36 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2013 03:33 Koshi wrote: DI I VOTED YOU LORD. TELL ME SOMETHING!!!!!!!!! Or allow me going afk. and be sad. ask better questions then. "acro is full" "sharrant is almost dead" there, happy now? That makes Sharrant town, which I already knew, and Acro town, but apparently not a priority for scum. @Clarity: you didn't understand the play at all. Scum doesn't need 4/6 votes, they need 3/6 votes. SnB was going to be one of those votes. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:46 GMT
#4134
On August 18 2013 03:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2013 03:33 Acrofales wrote: On August 18 2013 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote: On August 18 2013 03:27 Acrofales wrote: @Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him? why, for towncred obviously Because I need more of that, when I am about the least likely person in the game to get lynched. so why is scum not killing you then? Ask THEM. Presumably they're too busy trying to kill cops and making big plays by shooting Clarity. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:50 GMT
#4138
On August 18 2013 03:47 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On August 18 2013 03:46 Acrofales wrote: On August 18 2013 03:44 Dandel Ion wrote: On August 18 2013 03:33 Acrofales wrote: On August 18 2013 03:31 Dandel Ion wrote: On August 18 2013 03:27 Acrofales wrote: @Dandel Ion: riddle me this. Why would I, as scum, come up with a plan that confirms Sharrant as town, when everybody was getting ready to lynch him? why, for towncred obviously Because I need more of that, when I am about the least likely person in the game to get lynched. so why is scum not killing you then? Ask THEM. Presumably they're too busy trying to kill cops and making big plays by shooting Clarity. or there's a simple answer. if you're town you should know it. but you'd rather ignore it, huh Lol. You failed at logic there. Your simple answer is "I'm scum", but because I am actually town, I can clearly not know I'm scum, because I'm not. Herpaderpa. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 17 2013 18:51 GMT
#4139
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 18 2013 19:11 GMT
#4331
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 18 2013 22:13 GMT
#4343
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 18 2013 22:13 GMT
#4344
##unvote ##vote Onegu | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 20 2013 11:50 GMT
#4520
On August 20 2013 17:57 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 20 2013 17:49 johnnywup wrote: You got Risen to shoot me? I had a pretty strong townread on Risen the last couple days. I dunno what he was like in PMs though On August 20 2013 17:48 Xatalos wrote: On August 20 2013 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with the town was that people had (correctly) townreads on each other "because of PM's" and then many people did not do anything in thread (Onegu is a good example of this). It was easy to call people out for their thread posts and you can't really blame me for not knowing what you have PM'd with them. That's why people should not hide in PM-land. Onegu just felt so sincerely townish especially in PMs and also in thread to a lesser extent. Gut feeling, I guess? And I really facepalmed hard when he was lynched.... I facepalmed hard when he was lynched too but since it was 2-2 with him getting 2 first I was scared to say anything because I didn't want someone to randomly switch to me :x Although if you were lynched, it wasn't going to be endgame yet...? Not sure. Yeah, I pushed for you to be shot. Lurkers are my bane. I played SC2 Mafia for a long time before joining TL Mafia... In SC2 Mafia it was standard for scum to say nothing or at most talk very sparingly, while townies often spammed. Here it's more like... Townies are either very active or lurking. And scum are semi-active or semi-lurking, mostly semi-lurking the later the game goes on. But I always misfocus on the most inactive lurkers :/ I couldn't believe my vote for Onegu went pretty much COMPLETELY unnoticed. By then we'd decided the game was over if we got Onegu or Risen lynched, and were willing to risk what was an all-in scumclaim move. But I honestly thought Xatalos, s0lstice, Risen, DI or well.. Onegu himself would take one look at that and yell "ACRO IS SCUM, SHOOT HIM DED". I had been calling Rayn scum all game. Suddenly, instead of rallying town (or doing anything) to vote for him or SnB I just voted alongside my scumread to lynch some guy I had not wasted more than about 5 lines on all game, under the very weak pretenses of saving my town read... about 8 hours before the lynch. I was really surprised that that didn't instantly convince everybody I was scum. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 20 2013 12:03 GMT
#4522
On August 20 2013 18:20 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm very easy to read. People just refuse to do it. Both you and Risen were easily called town and then completely ignored in the rest of the game. That's not a good thing. You were calling me scum from somewhere halfway in D1 until endgame, yet nobody ever followed you. Nobody followed me on Rayn, because I didn't want them to. But as a townie you should want to convince other townies, not just be content looking townie. Risen tried to push, but he was all over the place, and combined with his conviction that Sharrant was scum made it really easy to just discredit all his other reads as well. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 20 2013 12:26 GMT
#4526
I really enjoyed the PM mechanic. I think forcing the use of TL PMs only was a good idea, despite TL PMs being really cumbersome. Skype is too town-favoured: instant messaging is really really hard to work around as scum, and it was already pretty hard to keep my story straight in all different channels. QTs would have removed the asymmetry of information, which makes PM games so interesting. Town was basically too trusting of the PMs and didn't use it to set up traps, except for the Oberyn/Onegu roleclaim, which I 100% believed and Koshi is a master ninja for sniffing that out and not giving in to all the pressure in the scumQT. This made it somewhat "safe" for scum to be rather active in PMs. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 20 2013 15:51 GMT
#4561
Iamp and Kita were obvious town leaders and it is why we targeted them. Iamp didn't even really have to do much except be his usual innocent child self and allow Xatalos to post without any inhibitions. Once they were dead, Clarity, Xata and s0lstice had to pick up the reigns, and none did it particularly effectively. It allowed scum to pretty much grab control of the game back, which was slowly slipping away from us with the Yamato and Vivax lynches. Even if Mocsta had not got himself modkilled, I really doubt the lynch would have gone onto a scum. Sure, we got lucky with the frame (we also got unlucky the first time when I wifom'd myself out of calling the frame on Yamato), and that helped, but by then Rayn and myself were happily leading our own distinct corners of town into nowhere useful, with Chrom and Koshi being safely categorized as probable town and leading the internal politics of Baratheon around in circles: they could grab power at any point as long as they were both alive. @Xatalos: what was the very strong reason you had for calling Koshi town? | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 20 2013 19:41 GMT
#4571
On August 21 2013 02:49 s0Lstice wrote: haha you guys were trading account info to log and and vote for eachother?! so much seedy stuff in this game. strangely, that fits well with the theme. Well, it was never necessary because the Starks ended the night leaderless, so we had control of 2 of the 3 houses with lords, but honestly, vote racing for a plurality lynch is the dumbest thing ever and the reason most games have the wincon that scum numbers = town numbers. In majority lynch it means no scum can ever be lynched again, and in plurality lynch it prevents voterace stupidity. In this case, that wincon clearly wouldn't work, because of the two-step voting mechanics, so it had a situation where we would voterace. I asked the hosts whether it was okay to share my account info, so I didn't have to stay up to 2 AM. And lets be fair: the scumteam should be allowed to act as a team when it comes to this kind of action. That's the whole point of being a team: you can coordinate this kind of nefarious plot. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 21 2013 14:08 GMT
#4593
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 27 2013 18:25 GMT
#4654
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Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 27 2013 19:12 GMT
#4668
House powers and house-related wincons are something worth playing around with. Some things that might need balancing are the KP and voting mechanics. Firstly, with one game played already, it will be obvious to everyone that the mafia has to be fairly evenly distributed among houses, or they have no chance of winning. 3 mafia to a house is completely stupid in any case, because there is no way that the lone town member would ever get a chance of doing anything: scum might decide to make him lord just to lurk in the shadows, but at a critical moment he will simply be outvoted and ignored. Unless all three members are obvious scum, it is really easy to do this without even looking particularly scummy. Look how easy it was for Chrom and Koshi to maintain status in House Baratheon (although both played an excellent game, so that obviously helped). Now imagine that house with 3 scum members. 4 members in a house is an interesting idea, but the scum wincon would have to change: with an entire scum house, it would be really hard to get control of the lynch vote. Plurality voting for the lynch didn't run into a problem this game, but it very well could have become a voterace situation, which should be avoided, imho. I feel it should probably be majority vote and this would not affect balance much at all. It would have forced scum to consolidate on JWup on the (second-)last day, making it harder for us to control the vote (although Clarity not voting would probably have sealed the deal anyway). KP was pretty confusing. The lords having exactly 1 short of a full healthbar worth of KP seems strange, in hindsight. Variability in starting KP might also make things more interesting (albeit harder for scum). Maybe people with powerful abilities start with less KP, others are like a veteran and start with more KP. The vampire vigi was a good idea, and the medic giving bonus HP was probably a good solution. Scumteam having a fixed 1 1/2 KP might be changed to a variable number depending on the number of members alive (harder to balance, though). Differentiating house powers, or doing more with flavour (WHY WASN'T OBERYN A POISONER ) could add a bit of colour for a second go around. House wincons could be extra wincons: you win with town, but get an EXTRA laurel in the endgame post if you manage to do Y. Can even be character-dependent. For instance, Oberyn Martell gets an extra laurel if Tywin Lannister is dead at the end of the game. Some of these can be somewhat 3p-ish wincons. I disagree that an SK wouldn't work in this setup. He would need some serious tools (and the town and scum wincons would have to be rewritten to be more ambiguous about the status of 3P ), but a Littlefinger/Faceless Man 3P with some serious anti-everybody capabilities would be easy to add in, imho. Other things to think about: marriages. Adds some extra PMs and needs to be done really carefully, but it's a fun mechanic that fits in the theme, and might be a clever addition. Can even tie into personal wincons: Sansa Stark, extra wincon: marry Loras Tyrell. Loras Tyrell extra wincon: marry Renly Baratheon :D | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 27 2013 19:21 GMT
#4673
On August 28 2013 04:13 Clarity_nl wrote: As for specific issues: 1 hp lord kp isn't very interesting, hp check seems to favor scum a lot... we probably were better off just burning them all d2 as someone suggested post game and anyone that had used his hp check was scum. Although I really liked the pm mechanic it turns out people use it the wrong way (IMO) because I was unable to read quite a few people because they never posted their thoughts in thread. Maybe make all pms happen during the night? (you get elected n0 you get to talk to lords n1). I dunno I actually disagree. The HP check would have been really really strong lategame (for town): once you've figured out how much HP people start with (7), and you know who town shot, you can instantly see who in a house is being targeted by KP. While it won't be good to find scum, it is an awesome town check: Sharrant was so so obviously town once DI had checked the Tyrells. The closer you get to lylo, the more important it is to have this kind of town check. Forcing scum to use their KP in a specific manner is a really strong tool for town to have. Yes, of course you can blow all the checks at the start, but all scum really needed to know was that everybody started at 7 (info which was given to us for free). Sharrant not dying after being shot by a full 7 KP was enough to give us an educated guess that he had been medic'd by Oats. We knew DI was almost certainly at 3 HP, and could easily have spent the rest of the KP on johnny without me using the HP check. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17187 Posts
August 27 2013 19:22 GMT
#4674
On August 28 2013 04:15 Dandel Ion wrote: silly acro, men can't marry men. it is known. Fine. Extra wincon: elope with Renly to the Summer Isles and get married there! | ||
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