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GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars
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But I would prefer if it starts later than sooner | ||
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Aug2 I'm on a 20hr flight, so as long as I don't get modkilled for low activity I'm OK. | ||
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/out The GoT theme got me too keen. Realistically with the flight etc I'm gonna be inactive for at least 48 to 72 hrs. I don't think that's fair on players, esp if I rolled scum. Can put me on replacement instead | ||
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I'm replacing someone in house martell Haven't read the game and at 130pages not sure I will Can someone post a quick recap pls. From the quick snippet I seen. Seems to be some issues with role block claims. | ||
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U can if u want to. But I start posting pictures of cute kittens and u will let me off the hook. I dont have time to read 130pages. I'm admitting that outright I do have time to read the last 20or so pages and the game from here on out. Jeez.. if u so up to date. A recap should be easy to spit out I woulda thought. Anyways. How the fuck does this question Devine my alignment? | ||
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On August 13 2013 11:46 johnnywup wrote: i am indeed here and think that ace, jrkirbyshut.mato, kush, sharrant are scum. ace is being useless and town ace is never useless. jrkirby seems pretty obvious. yamato basically claimed scum. kush is either trolling as town or scum. on sharrant: he PMed acro that he was a cop during d1 it sounds like. makes no sense as town, obviously. but lets just say that town sharrant has a huge town read on acro...except for the fact that he lied who he was going to check in case acro was scum. you wouldn't do that if you had a town read on acro...so sharrant must have been thinking acro was null/scum. if sharrant thought acro was scum/null, why would he PM him at all? it makes no sense from town, like others have said. If sharrant was scum then he would know acro was town (or scum, I guess...). The problem here is he doesn't know acros role...but since they're agreeing on a target he doesn't have to worry about being blocked or anything, I guess. I dunno, it just seems to make a bit more sense as scum, but I really think it's just stupid from sharrants part as either town or scum >_> still think he's scum though. was an ez bus for sharrant to gain cred from, but somewhat scumslipped. acro doesn't think he's scum I think and he's the one who exchanged PMs with him, but from an outsiders POV it looks bad for sharrant @_@ I know I'm not saying anything new but this is the main reason why I think sharrant is scum. also for the record I haven't received any PMs from kush or sharrant since forever. I haven't been sending any to anyone besides acro. Is this guy new or feigning a contribution? I don't even need to have read the game to know some of this is wrong and not alignment indicative shit | ||
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On August 13 2013 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote: uh what Mocsta? Claiming jailkeeper? Still a moron I see. Guess that's a town tell for u | ||
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I dunno why everyone is in him...but...if most ppl think he's scummy then I would bet my left nut that he is town. I know it's poor form to comment without reading. But each game I played with him he gets hammered. A bit like a town phagga. | ||
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Haven't been updated with Nk outcome. Hopefully I'm right. I was going to spoiler but then decided not to. Oatsmaster Originally read as firm town. Cred has dropped as the game progressed. In particular when he started giving a town read to yamato post red-check. I cant understand why a scum oatsmaster would do this; BUT.. I cant understand why town oats would do this either, especially considering his early grievances with yamato77 play. I will go with null. If he can satisfactorily explain his position, then leaning town. Dandle ion Originally read as firm town. Once Ace joined the game, his tone/attitude changed a lot from cocky to submissive. Hard to say whether the lurking was based on IRL issues //Ace//scum. Will stick with a leaning town read. Onegu Was sceptical of him at first as we was quite open with me from the get-go. But our first comparison of reads was similar and for the same reasons so I like his mindset. I think he just lacks confidence currently, hence needs to put more balls in the thread. I hope that him being lord this cycle will allow him to grow more presence. Firm Town. Sharrant Lynched yamato. Of course I would have liked more activity from him but you get that. I also liked his post on Kushmaster. I disagree with people saying it was poorly timed. Kush was being attacked at the time. Prob worth re-reading who was slamming into him for that. One thing I don’t like about Sharrant, is that I am used to seeing *massive* walls of text from him that are hard to read. Perhaps time is a contributor to this not occurring. Because of that will relegate from firm town to leaning town. Iamperfection Im not sure why some are saying hes holding to his town meta. He feels forced to me. He also pounces on opportunities to call “bad play” scummy etc; but tries to get others to be public about initiating actions behind the scenes. Town confidence is pushing both publically and pm-land. Firm scum. Xatalos Started off well. Seems to be a good mediator. Also handled the RB fake claim quite well. Towards end of D2, started to go off the rails a touch, but this has been commented in the thread. Firm Town. Oberyn Seems to be more active in PM land than thread. I like him; but don’t know why. Seems to have good vision as well. Firm town. S0lstice Started off poorly in my opinion but perhaps based on emotions of lord vote. However, after his first read post became town for me. His reads were 100% opposite to me which I find too polarising for scum. They normally like to nominate at least one person in a big list post. Having said that, he did nominate yamato as scum IIRC. Need more from him over Day3. Specifically, thoughts around iamperfection. Null. Vivax I liked his first post on Koshi a lot. As at the time I had a scum read on Koshi. Im stuck on Vivax. Since then, I don’t particularly like his posts HOWEVER, I do know for fact he has been very busy outside the game. Its more, Im not sure why he is posting. He seems to be trying to understand the target more; but is not there to follow up. So it becomes pointless, as he does not call them scum either. Again, I want to see more from Vivax regarding iamperfection Day3. Null Chromatically Someone else said it perfectly. “I know Chromatically is posting, but I cant remember what he is saying”.. agree in full. Massive blender.. latest contributions are purely targeting lurkers.. LOL.. this guy is scum for sure. Clarity_nl Like him a lot.. I think he had a rough start, in fact I thought his first post was scummy. Since then, maybe around page 40; he has shown publically the best mindset I think. Is quite open to possibilities and is not haste in putting down people. Firm Town. Grackaroni Tough one.. Some things he has done are just so ridiculous you would think only a townie would be so careless. I cant help buy feel this guy is lynchbait, but cant peg why. Prob the whole ‘too scum to be scum’ which he tried to sell when giving his meta. Seemed plausible. Null. I would like to have a better understanding why iamperfection dropped this whole blacksheep earlyu-game stuff on Grack. I cant remember if the reasoning was well detailed. Raynpelikoneet Has been bugging me all game. Yet several have a strong town read on him. Some due to PMs which I don’t have access to. Im conflicted. Early game is terrible I think; Mid Day2, is relatively pro-town which balances out. Im not experienced with Rayn, but in Sicilian I felt he was town instantly, and not just because of the pardoner claim. Im not getting that vibe at all; early game he was displayed a lot of “forced aggression” and nitpicking. I think he is scum; but would pick him off last and he is the one I am the least confident about. Koshi Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum. Johnywup Seems to be lynchbait. Been pretty noobish all game. I think ppl jumped over him way too fast for the 3P thing. Since when do 3p accidentally claim; especially first post in. If anything, this is a weak town heuristic. It is often town who love to setup speculate in this type of manner. Leaning town. Mocsta Town. Strongandbig I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town. Acrofales Flavour is a bitch to read him him; but hes been consistent and breaks out of it when required. This speaks heavily of town. Another town point is, I feel early game he was severely wrong but still had a presence. This reminds me a bit of ??Not Another Dual Mafia?? I have also played with scum Acro, and know he doesn’t have a problem posting in the thread for filler; and trying to drive home points. Its also hard to get a read on Acro because he is so established in the PM land; that we don’t get full context of his position. Personally I would say one of Rayn/Acro is scum. I would lean with Rayn. So will give Acro: Null to leaning town. Kushm4sta Lynch bait for shizzle. Sharrent hit the nail on the head. However, sharrant has benefit on PMs; we only get his handful of posts. Based on the quality im leaning towards town (lol) I hope kush care factor kicks in soon though; otherwise I would consider policy lynching him late game due to “scum coaching”. Risen Like Iamperfection this guy pounces on opportunities to belittle ppl by calling out bad play. Risen also delurks to do this in such an uncouth manner. Hes in effect promoting such an antitown atmosphere. His reads are completely shite; but I wont call him scum for that. Its mainly the atmosphere he is providing *AND* the timing of his contributions. Another thing to note is that Risen is an TL Mafia Award holder for best scum play. So I would imagine that faking aggression is not difficiult for him if this is his normal style of play. ================== In short: Scummish reads (firm at top, soft at bottom) Firm Iamperfection Chromatically Risen Soft Raynpelikoneet or Acrofales Koshi Vivax mmm got iamp wrong.. damn.. Here's my reads A | ||
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So... Thread slip House pm slip Or lord pm slip? | ||
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Tyrell and baratheon are the only full houses left. I suggest we purge there. That way we help maintain lord full house no longevity. Chromatically from baratheon is my choice. But I am a mere peasant. | ||
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On August 14 2013 14:07 s0Lstice wrote: No. Oats was playing to his town meta pretty clearly. I could see a shot on him without some kind of bluesnipe being involved. If that's the case. He's definitely worth a filter dive!!! A town oats is only helpful because u know he is town. He's not known for being a town driving force. So I eagerly await what u find...cos I don't see a shot for nothing. | ||
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Give me your read on chromatically. | ||
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Why r u trying to brush this away.. Last time I checked a townie. Regardless of lord or not tries to solve the game. Why r u actively promoting an anti town atmosphere.. U have spewed u a claim..unsubstantiated might I add. I am merely asking for proof. A request any townie worth their salt should be able to provide. | ||
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Will drop the oats enquiry then. | ||
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What I will query instead is this. There's more than 2 scum in the game. Please provide an alternative to kush that we can discuss. | ||
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That was my reads finished 30min before night ended. It's the same final reads I posted to both my house members. Kept it the same because what was the point in changing. On a phone ffs. Seriously. How does this question get u to know me... | ||
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On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also we are lynching Vivax today. Last I checjed. U r not lord. Chromatically >>> vivax | ||
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That's my basis and can be easily supported by quotes. The guy is a classic blender. As for vivax. He needs more time. This town keeps wanting to lynch ppl with genuine in real life business. Did u not learn your lesson with gumshoe. Firm tofu etc Vivax has been busy. Now he's no saint to me. But deserves a chance to post uninhibited Unlike chromatically who has been flying under the radar by choice and then pushing lurkers. | ||
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I'm facing under your pressure. U got me. I'm scum Why u have a good reputation I have no idea.. it just nitpicking and it's all non alignment indicative I talk to vivax outside the game. I know he has been camping past couple days... Heck.. he even put it out in the thread. As for chromatically. Is he a strong enough read that u r going to fight me over this? Or r u going to let him speak for himself... | ||
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We vote for the Lord's. I agreed for onegu to be lord. So did oberyn. I had over 50pm with both of them yesterday. I'm confident both r town Clearly oberyn is/was | ||
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On August 14 2013 15:30 raynpElikoneet wrote: Yes i am going to let him speak for himself. He is not a strong enough read for me. I specifically do not like when you say this: How the fuck am i supposed to know if FirmTofu or gumshoe has RL-business? FirmTofu posted, he posted pure shit. so did gumshoe. And what is this "etc". Are you saying we should just ignore the lurkers and let them continue do nothing? why? Why do you want to lynch Chrom over johnnywup? This is a pretty scummy post by the way rayn But we can continue picking this bone. Its helping me discern your alignment. Can't say it's helping u discern mine. More nitpicking. Regarding the irl busy ppl. Try reading their posts. They have expressed it succinctly. Ft should never have been lynched. It was a policy lynch based on nothing but a hunch. Others were far better lynches given that point in time. As for chrome over johnny. Have a read of ny list post. Should explain it well. The town attmosphere u r perpetuating is horrid rayn. Let me know when u have an alignment indicative question for me. | ||
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On August 14 2013 15:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Turns out they split the kp to kill a bunch of people today, or at least that's the likeliest explanation in my eyes. This makes one of xata/grack more likely to be scum since they were both aware of gumshoe's 1 hp before n1 nightpost. Still very unlikely it's a townshot. I thought it might have been iamp as a vigi.... but obviously that's not the case. I didn't include grack in my post cause I ran outta time to make it and had a hard time getting read on him. Completely agree and was thinking this already.. I.e. kill split implicating grack/xat | ||
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On August 14 2013 15:38 johnnywup wrote: there's the fact that i'm not scum, rayn. pretty good reason not to lynch me acro has a good case on kush which may change your mind if he posts it. i was convinced kush was scum before i saw the case so i may be a little biased though koshi or risen imoimo Walk me through in a couple points Why risen or koshi demonstrate a scum mindset pls | ||
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On August 14 2013 15:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain to me why FT should have not been lynced and who should have been lynced instead? Easy for you to say as you were not in the game. Btw all your reads are pretty much "i dunno" and then some people are town and some are scum.-- Rayn. I can go into detail of why ft was a bad lynch. But what does this accomplish for town today? Ultimately he flipped town. So your philosophy is flawed already. I find it interesting again how u r choosing to "pressure" me. Lets play along. U think my reads are "I dunno".. ok.. so how come u r not prodding me to understand my mindset My issue with our discourse this cycle is your need to blindly nitpick irrelevant things and defend chromatically.. nowhere are u trying to understand me Personally. I expect more from u if town than the effort u put in with me so farl | ||
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Regarding onegu Here's a stupid thing.. take it as u want That house list before the night post. He was meant to pm that to me.. instead he posted in the thread. Anyways. He pms going sorry. I'm going to be modkilled what do I do. I suggested apologise to Dr.p and edit out. Anyways. If this guy was a scummer. I imagine first course of action is to go to qt... Not pm me. Weak heuristic I know. So take it as u want. | ||
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On August 14 2013 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes this helps me figuring out your alignment. One more question, have you followed the game before replacing in? I'll give my conclusion in ~2 hours, now i need a bit more sleep. Lol.. yeah ok.... The answer to your query is in my first post But I hate it when ppl say that.. so no I didn't read the gamei came in yesterday Had many pm with onegu... I was very concerned because he was too open with me abd started off by giving me the recap I asked for. It piqued my interest to read the start. We then discussed early reads... Our Convo was very natural and he showed me a mindset he hasn't shared in the thread. Anyways this made me read the rest of the game and I powered through it. Finishing one he before deadline | ||
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On August 14 2013 16:28 Clarity_nl wrote: Bleh. I guess? I wanna lynch s0lstice today anyway so he has a chance to show he's town other than tripping on his own feet and crying green tears rather than red ones. What do you think of my point on s0lstice? Sol is a major question mark for me. The criticism is valid abd I'm keen to hear a response. That is why I prefer chromatically. Instead of being a question mark needing lots of effort to decipher. He's got a filter ready to go. Chromatically might be relatively unknown.but I know him and expect way more than proposing a low activity lynch... It stinks majorly | ||
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I agree with the rb logic So... That leaves us with the gracken Q about sol Do u think higher chance of mafia or 3p Don't jump on me for the 3p...it's a question to check how emotionally attached u r to the read. | ||
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On August 14 2013 17:26 Clarity_nl wrote: btw what was this about mocsta? Oats asks if you're claiming jailkeeper which is not a dumb question (which is what you told him), rather an obvious one actually. Am I missing something? Oberyn queried this too. He thought I was trying to escape being shot 1.I didn't even know I was up for being shot 2.I think the post lost context cos it went to a new page It was a quip based on someone saying who should I kill Q. The Lord's didn't kill anyone during night.. do we have confirmation on who the agreed targets were? All I know is agreed shooting times.. | ||
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You have a propensity to plus 1 others cases. Which are also yet to materialize. How are these cases developing? Are you working with your house on reads, or are they trusting you to be a proof reader. As for the case on risen. In short. It sucks. ANd I want risen lynched and am saying this. Your case is a summary. You don't explain at all what is scummy about risen targetting sharrant. My town read on you was purely a heuristic subject to change. It's these types of convo that allow me and others to formulate a refined read. What I need from you is to explain me why the mentality if risen is scummy. Not that you think his actions are scummy. | ||
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why? 1. why does a list post with yam at the bottom prove me scum? lol, so town can't have town reads on scum? is this what you are saying? if so, we should have lynched oats if he was alive. 2.why is asking a question about HP, alignment indicative? 3. clarity already nailed my summary post and why your interpretation appears far fetched. this is why ver caught you koshi. nothing to do with actions or questions, but rather motive and intent. instead of trying to understand why someone is doing something, you are looking for non-kosher actions and trying to spin them as scummily as you can. its why I read you as scum early game and quickly coming back to the same realisation. | ||
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we are in a tough predicament as there is an abundance of choice for the lynch me thinks. Contenders (1) Koshi: His points on me feel as forced as with Oats, however, for some reason he has really dialed up the tryhard factor. & (2) Risen: 'Nuff said. Awaiting More Info (1) Solstice: Need this guy to respond & (2) Chromatically: Everyone keeps saying he is town based on PMs... I want to hear him respond before giving that any credence. & (3) Rayn: Like Koshi, is going out of his way to throw tarnish my reputation this game (sullied by my former, kirby) =============== Xatalos, I might post the pms I had with Oberyn (paraphrased blah blah), where we discuss Iamp a bit later on. Hopefully that will settle any lingering doubt. | ||
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(1) Regarding Iamperfection. So what if I had a scum read on him. Whether you agreed or disagreed with that read, doesn't make me scum. You have shown signs of a clear head throughout the game, so I expect more from you. Anyways What I wrote to Oberyn was: can I have a read on iamp pls. he's playing very different to what I associate of him. nothing is scummy, but, hes trying to be a leader by involving people. normally he is like dandel and just says I'm right, your wrong. To which he replied (paraphrased) I agree about iamp. He blocked my yamato suspicion because of lurkers with little posts. He also wanted Ace out of the game. His read of Iamperfection wasn't as strong as mine, but he said he was willing to follow up heavy pressure with him this cycle. Obviously he can't do this. My point is: iamp wasn't as clearly town as you think; hence, me thinking he was scum, is not alignment indicative. ======================= My issue with Chromatically is as I said in my read.
Before chastising him further I wanted to give him a chance to talk. ======================= Anyways, thers been a lot of complaints about jrkirby filter, so i decided to read it. I dont get what all the hoo-hah is about. Yes, he is not a prime example of how to be a town leader Yes, I don't agree with the logic behind his reads HOWEVER. Yes, his posts have a bluntness about them that most importantly, feel sincere. Since when does being wrong, make you scum.. TIP.. it never has, and never will. What makes you scum, is how you going about being wrong. In this regard, jrkirby has not been involved in foul play. jrkirby is lynchbait, and the type of filter scum love to pick on. Cos usually the guys can't defend themselves either. | ||
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To be honest, Im too tired to read the sharrant stuff. I promise will give it a full pass over when i wake up. In the mean time what I would like you to address is: You have expressed much grievance about Koshis play since Day1. (1) Has he satisfied your inqueries? If so, why; or why not. (2) How have his posting since my entry into the game affected your read of him. (3) If you havn't commented, I would be keen to hear what you have to say about Clarity points on Sol. Thanks Vivax. | ||
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Fark.... s0lstice.. clarity had some queries for you, aroound page 132 I think. | ||
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One of the points is out of date, but you get that (i.e S0lstice). =================== Good to see much activity overnight. Firstly, I am still waiting for S0lstice to get back into the thread. He seems to have been forgotten about. Secondly, There were some outstanding questions addressed to me: Koshi: If you replace into a game and you have read 130 pages, read all filters and spent a lot of time making a giant list with your current reads in the game. How big is the chance that you have read your predecessor his filter/posts as well? Short answer is no. In the past 4 months, I have only replaced into mafia games - about 4 or 5 now. Each game I I have never cared what my predecessor did. I have my role PM and my own thoughts. The only times I read predecessor posts is if I am a lynch candidate, and the cases against me quote predecessor posts. Rayn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19509194 The games I have played with Sharrant (two); He was unamiously mislynched. This game is quickly heading towards a 3rd. Aside from that, there is not much to respond to. The main objective of this case is to say "I don't like why he did/said that". It does not detail how or why anything I am doing is pushing a scum objective. Overall: I think this case exemplifies why Rayn is scum. Typically a tunneled townie will use flawed logic to state why someone is scum. Here, Rayn doesnt use any logic to state why I am scum. He is essentially trying to throw dirt over my name by picking out things that stick out to him; without actually processing how that enables me to push a scum objective. Acrofales summed it up perfectly in his case against Rayn. By not being lord; it enables Rayn to be loud in the thread, but have no responsibility. Essentially he can "pretend to contribute". This case is a prime example of that. Thirdly, That Oats was killed with iamp/Oberyn suggests that Oats was shot Night1. This has concerned me since the Day post; as I don't think it was clear to anyone in the thread that Oats was a medic. Day 1 Lords: SnB, Day 2 Lords: Oats, Day 3 Lords: Clarity, Xatalos, S0lstice, Onegu, Risen, Sharrant iamp/Oberyn make sense: they were driving forces in PM land and many viewed them town. Acrofales makes sense: many have speculated over his alignment, so is safe to not NK. Therefore, where I get confused is... why Oatsmaster over SnB, rayn, Chromatically? (if targeting lords,and assuming all are town) Chromatically, apparently has been a driving force in PM land. Rayn, has had thread presence and many respect his town play. SnB had done nothing in the thread or PM land; so at the least, Rayn was a better kill. Yes, Oats was pretty clearly town; but that doesnt make him an important night kill. Heck, the guy gave yamato a town read for their argument, so its not like he was threatening the scum team. And yes, even though Oats was incoming Lord; surely, Chromatically would have been a better kill if driving things in PM land? To me, the only thing that makes sense is that Oats either blue slipped to someone in House Stark or there is scum between (Chromatically, Rayn, SnB) and they decided somehow Oats was more valuable. ====== Now if Oats blueslipped, I would like to think with his openness in calling his house town, that he would have blueslipped to all three members (Clarity/Vivax/SnB). Clarity has not suggested he was aware of Oats=medic; so I can put this to rest. That leaves at least one scum in Chromatically, Rayn, SnB. Chromatically: Many have town reads on him. Also his most recent case does in fact show signs of him being active and inquisitive in PM land, aligning with what others have said. I am willing to drop him as a scum read for the time being. SnB: I still think is unlikely to be scum. Hes appears to be flexible with his reads as people present new information, and the frustration of being called mafia is reading to me as genuine. Rayn on the other hand makes a lot of sense as scum, as poined out previously. I can't see a town Rayn relinquishing lord power to an unknown factor like Risen. His reasoning that "he did not want to cause a house shitfight" doesn't cut the mustard. Based on Day1, Risen was an unknown and unpredictable factor; and if Rayn cared so much about the game. He would want to remain as lord, to ensure his house vote goes on the correct person. Lords, Raynpelikoneet of House GreyJoy is who needs to be lynched this cycle | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19508952 @Vivax I haven't forgotten about this. | ||
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On August 15 2013 11:59 s0Lstice wrote: QUERIES here's a query, why is it weird for Rayn to prefer a lord over no lord? Risen had an objection with Rayn being lord, so to avoid a no lord situation, Rayn voted Risen. ??? If risen didn't object to rayn. Rayn as town surely would want wanted to remain town. Anyhow I don't get this no lord stuff being perpetuated. I just double checked up..voting mechanic is majority wins. In case of tie it's rng. As long as a house has members. There shall be a lord... | ||
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But. The other point still stands... If risen had no objection to rayn... Why relinquish? Plus. Your posting night 2 Rayn relinquished after night 1... So without checking night post was still tie breaker majority | ||
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There's still the discrepancy risen had no qualm with rayn as lord | ||
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On August 15 2013 12:14 Chromatically wrote: That is pretty confusing, the rng rule in the OP is only for when the lord dies. Mocsta, I would like to hear your other reasons for rayn being scum when you have time. Acro summed it up perfectly. It was my thoughts exactly. Rayn response was to say.. fuck u No attempt to constructively break it down. The case raynmade on me is an example of someone reading a filter to find dirt. As opposed to someone trying to understand a scum mindset. Rayn makes no attempt to use logic to explain my actions.. I'm not sure what else is needed? | ||
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On August 15 2013 12:20 Risen wrote: I don't understand. I've been telling rayn since after the first night I didn't trust him and wanted to be lord. Well that aligns with what rayn said But above someone said. U were ok with him Regardless u are one vote of 4 And didn't have a good cred in the thread I see no reason for rayn to relinquish so easily It's not like oberyn was fighting him to be lord | ||
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Ft was lynched. And ace just replaced in. I think it's hard to give town cred off it though. Because. Regardless of alignment. Rayn has to run for lord. If u didn't want him to be lord. Then he should have tried to prove his alignment to u instead of relinquish. Regardless whilst a lord is better fir town than no lord. From a scum perspective being no lord is better than being a lord.. so for scum it's a win win situation to relinquish based on the grounds of I don't want to upset the apple cart. And u might have had good house cred but being a lord is more than that. It's about securing your lynch and getting the other lords to agree. That takes thread cred in addition to an internal town read. My 2c | ||
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No acro. What a weird question. Do u object to what I posted in the thread? | ||
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On August 15 2013 13:11 Acrofales wrote: I have no clue what you have posted in the thread since you woke up. I just wanted to gauge your response. You seem timid. Well. It's a dumb question Anyone would answer no But u showed signs of intelligence with the rayn case so it was unexpected to be asked something so useless from u. Now. Yes we are same timezone. Let us use this to our best advantage. ??johnny?? said sharrant had an awesome case on koshi. Have u sighted this? | ||
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Sober up or stop posting. | ||
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On August 15 2013 15:14 Xatalos wrote: As a sidenote. You wanted to smack me in the face? Keep in mind that I've practiced karate for some time now You'd be in for a surprise. Where is Mocsta? Don't leave us hanging please. You have so much to prove and so much to lose by not doing that. I'm busy and at work. What I have to say is in my filter If u don't like it. Feel free to ask something that leads to a productive outcome. | ||
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On August 15 2013 15:37 Xatalos wrote: What's your stance on rayn at the moment? Risen said that he opposed rayn being Lord and rayn wanted to see what Risen would do as Lord. Why not allow him? Scumreads besides rayn? I don't understand how u can ask me this. If u have read my filter. My position on rayn is clear. As for the lord stuff. That's all weak tells and looking for cheap ways to categorize someone as town or scum Ultimately the house is two ppl and it is advantageous for a scum rayn to not be lord. As it is advantageous for a scum anyone to not be lord | ||
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First read through was glazing to understand events in the game I still don't like koshi at all. And him and rayn seem to love to tag team. See oats for that | ||
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Snb Grackeroni Koshi Vivax Rayn I'm back to 50/50. I think my issue with him is we are treating the same tells 100% opposite. But he's standing up for his belief, as am I. That's indicative of town. So will give him a beeather. Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter. I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle. Koshi still sticks out to me. The really poor logic throughout the game. Not wanting to run for lord and then changing mind when an opportunity came through. He has also shown an inflexible mindset. I'm happy with his lynch too. Grackeroni. I can't pinpoint it off my first skim but.. he's blending it. He shows enough understanding of the thread so is keeping up. But I don't like the moments he chooses to come into the thread. He's not really driving anything so the contributions I feel are fake. Plus u have the whole gumshoe 1hp leak thing. He made a defense of it which was handled well I admit. But too slick compared to his other posts. Smells very funny to me. Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro. In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax. I can live with snb though. | ||
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Just saw ya post. Walk me through why vivax read town to u day 1 | ||
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I can say with confidence he's not matching that meta.but I didn't accuse him of being 3p either. For me. The sole point of koshi that is townie is that he has the balls to shit up the thread... But really all his justifications are so bad Like he refers to past games but then doesn't bridge why it's relevant to this game Personally I think he's scum cos he plays the way I would as scum i.e inflate small things and make a hoohaa | ||
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He doesn't pressure. He inquires Barely says if something is scummy | ||
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as for koshi.. your town points match mine, but, going against the grain is only worth so much. its an easy thing for ballsy scum to do, so u still need to give credit to what evidence he is providing to justify the opposition. I still think his justifications are poorly thought out as for johnny. I'm very worried about him.. everything in his filter looks bad to me. he seems to just copy his houses cases... but, I give him higre town points for his first post in the game... him and yamato seemed to be genuinely squabbling.. so that's my conundrum and I have lumped him as bad town. that's also why I elevated grackeroni to leaning scum. I chose johnny as townm and crack as scum. | ||
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or is his filter just complaining about the lord nominations and then afk lurking? I don't recall him pushing anyone , but I'm happy to be proven wrong | ||
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On August 15 2013 20:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Koshi day 1, pretty hard. That's all I recall though, without looking at his filter. I think I've seen dandel do this in his towngames though. People call him town so he goes "right, time to troll and be useless" Problem is, it's too easy to replicate as scum. THAT SAID, he has posted reads (without reasons) and I've mostly agreed with them. i have played one game with a town dandel. i cant remember what it was; but he kept calling me scum the whole game. But had no thread presence. The main thing was; he never stopped posting.. Oberyn was concerned about his afk state.. and i told him that 1 to 2 days is ok, its weekend etc. but now the afk has gone on for like 80hrs+ or watever. so yes, it is now concerning. Either way.. im fully comfortable with a vivax lynch, or snb. (I prefer vivax.. mainly cos i respect his play much more than snb) | ||
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On August 15 2013 20:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Koshi day 1, pretty hard. That's all I recall though, without looking at his filter. I think I've seen dandel do this in his towngames though. People call him town so he goes "right, time to troll and be useless" Problem is, it's too easy to replicate as scum. THAT SAID, he has posted reads (without reasons) and I've mostly agreed with them. Also.. I dont count the koshi stuff. BECAUSE, thats purely inter-hosue. Cos then u can also include s0l. I dont recall him pushign anyone outside his house. | ||
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On August 15 2013 21:01 Clarity_nl wrote: I guess, but I mean, he pushed real hard. I'm concerned about his activity too though. This is worth bringing up again d4, but I think today we should focus on the lynch at hand. +1 On August 15 2013 20:48 Mocsta wrote: Either way.. im fully comfortable with a vivax lynch, or snb. (I prefer vivax.. mainly cos i respect his play much more than snb) I don't have a vote. So now just want more transparency from the 6 lords on where the votes are laying. | ||
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If all lords are trust, I would think its best to focus fire the KP. If lords are not trusted; then the town circle needs to focus fire the KP. Also depends on whether any house has used the HP check etc. Until those variables are discussed, its difficult to say where it needs to go. But if you want a rough idea. If SnB is to be lynched; I would focus fire Vivax. | ||
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On August 15 2013 21:14 Clarity_nl wrote: kush is damaged (lords shot him last night), although we don't know how much hp he has left. Do you think we should finish him off first? If we ignored kush and focus fired on vivax and he didn't die, would you still want to lynch him the next daycycle? I'll be back later today. Kush is interesting. Someone else, because he didtn die "scum let him jump off a cliff" I disagree, because its clear they used scum used their NK to finish off Night1 targets. I also think Kush is town. So I would seriously suggest not to direct Lord KP that direction. | ||
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unless he is being coached with what to say; hes playing completely different. Yes, kush did support a yamato lynch; but i felt it wasnt brought up in a "im right" kinda way. His filter to me, reads as very unconfident, and thats a town kush as far as im concerned. Thing is, i dont expect scum to finish him off.. because whats the point? Its far more valuable for town to waste a lynch (which completely kills someone regardless of how many hp they have) i.e if scum have 7hp like town seem to have; then 6 town lords cant kill scum in 1 night. so yeah.. | ||
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Unfortunately, he doesnt even deserve that level of respect... seriously.. read the scum qt for "sicilian' mafia lol If you really have that much doubt in kush.. sure shoot him.. but last i checked, the concept of the game was to lynch scum; not clear rid of bad townies. | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:03 Clarity_nl wrote: I agree we won't to shoot scum, but I don't understand how you can have such a strong read on him. My issue is this, if he is scum and we just go "yeah whatever kush is kush" what happens when/if we get to lylo? You sound confident in the read though, I'll check out sicilian scum qt later. (note how in sicilian obs qt I called kush scum cause he was right about stuff) Well. its hard to know if kush is right... we only have one scum flip; and he really didtn seem taht confident in yamato. Either way, I agree if kush is a problem. use the lord kp on him. But at this point in the game; we arent in lylo/mylo. So deal with it then I imagine. | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:22 Xatalos wrote: Kush is dying tonight. He's on low HP and not playing for town. It would be ridiculous to waste a lynch on him. It would be even more ridiculous to let him live to LYLO. If he's scum, he'll just finish the game with scum. If he's town, it's the easiest mislynch possible (remember that the weakest townies are alive at LYLO to oppose scum). He just needs to die. I dont really care if Kush is in or out; because I do understand the cons of a town Kush. Im just saying its poor play because that KP could be used to hit alternative scummy people. But, if you guys truly dont think he *could* be bad town; then get rid of him. ============= As an aside, 3/4 of this game I wouldnt want to end-game with.. so are we going to shoot them all as well? | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:24 Xatalos wrote: By the way..... "Strongandbig I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town." WHAT? Scum SnB in my experience, is always trying to push something. Thats where that came from. Town often dont give a shit, and live by the 80/20 rule. Everyone talks about model townies that are transparent and scum hunting; but fact is.. most townies are filled with sheep lurkers, and its the minority that carry the game. Its a heuristic. Reads change; and based on how SnB has handled his pressure this cycle, my read changed and the heuristic was discarded. | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:37 Acrofales wrote: I have found that talking to Kush is an utter waste of time. He says one thing, and 10 seconds later he says something entirely different. I feel he has made it his sole purpose to be as useless as possible this game and throw it in our faces. I don't see any reason why a townie would play like that, so he must be scum. I was asked to compare this to Kush in Smurf. There I get the feeling he is trying to find scum. Here he isn't. He was also about 5 times as active in a smaller, shorter game. Shoot on sight. Thats town Kush for sure...irk.. reminds me of smurf mafia.. fuck that guy is frustrating | ||
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When Kush kept talking to Sharrant about "fags".. musta been addressing you two. | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote: Did you just completely skip the second paragraph? He's nothing like smurf mafia kush. Yes, i skipped the 2nd paragraph haha but i was in smurf mafia. my recollection of that game was that he was like dandel spammed random shit; and then about midway, kush clicked on a button and said "im the best scum hunter" and started trying real hard (course got it all wrong)... the point was; he flip flops non stop as town. scum hes usually pretty firm.. anyways.. this is all a waste of time. if you want to shoot him shoot him. I would have thought the thread right now is better served to discuss who is getting lynched. I still want vivax gone. | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:46 Xatalos wrote: A really good idea to start insulting when several people want you lynched even today. Xat, ppl want me lynched every game; im not going to start crying about it. If you had a read on me, whether town or scum.. and are willing to discard that read based on the post above... then i can add you that the 3/4 list of ppl i dont want to end game with. The fact is, Koshi has come in, slandered me with no substance. and has now proceeded to disappear. Why is this smear campaign acceptable behaviour from a townie? [Thats a real question for you] | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:02 Koshi wrote: [/b]For someone that has me as "scum forever" you keep perpetuating lies; and keep failing at reading my filter.+ Show Spoiler + Because he is just ad hominem attacking me. Am I not allowed to question him? What was wrong about my question? Where did his Risen read go? Chroma was certain scum in his first post, but because people say he was active in PMs he leaves it alone. How does that happen? Did he verify those people? ... Mocsta came in this thread with clear goals, not as somebody that didn't read the thread and was going to take advice from anybody. Look at how he describes his read on Vivax. "I liked Vivax his first post about Koshi". [bEverybody read Vivax his filter and tell me about what he is talking about? Vivax his post helping me to make a better case around Oats? That's Vivax for you, he helps me around since Sicilian. But what is there to like??? And why does Mocsta ignore Vivax his real first post & case vs Johnnywup? Mocsta has come into this game to get me lynched. It's pathetic and obvious. Do you see how Mocsta never answers to my questions? c While that is bullshit. Or that he didn't read jrkirby his filter. Or his posts while rereading the thread. BULLSHIT. Mocsta confirmed scum for me. Till the end of this game. Firstly Do you see how Mocsta never answers to my questions? I already answered your last set of questions. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=155#3093 Or that he didn't read jrkirby his filter Well the query is retarded in the first place. Whether i am town or scum, Im going to say the filter is town. Personally i think the filter is bad town, but thats not the point. You have not actaully asked a question that will shed light on my alignment. Or his posts while rereading the thread. Why is this alignment indicative? I do this in every game i replace. If anything, it is town confidence to come in and post without reading. Just because I dont know what happened DAy1, doesnt mean I cant pick up scummy shit when i see it. Mocsta has come into this game to get me lynched. Right? yet, the ppl I have pushing for a lynch this cycle is RAyn and now Vivax.. You too funny Joshi. ==== As for why I liekd Vivax from his first post.. its because I read you as scum and I liked that he was attempting to probe you. Unfortunately, he never followed through with it; so the townies reduced. ==== As for Risen, I explained already to Xatalos, hes consistently crazy. Its pretty hard to fake that as scum. Im willing to downgrade him as low priority and focus on better percentage scummers such as Vivax and yourself. | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:26 Koshi wrote: Where? I read over it or something but I don't see it. On August 15 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote: my town points for risen is consistent craziness.. that's it.. not sure how much to value that though | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:29 Koshi wrote: Wasn't he not batshit crazy when you wrote he was certain scum? You said he was certain scum in multiple posts. Well hes been in the thread for longer periods at a time; since I replaced in. So yeah, the craziness is consistent. As I said; im not sure how much to value it; so I would perfer a lynch im more confident about.. e.g. vivax. | ||
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u sheep town reads that make sense; not because they are town jeez... | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:49 Koshi wrote: You are scum. Hopefully you will slip up. I will be waiting. U do that.. fag boy | ||
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There are more than 2 scum in this. You are settled on me. Who are the rest? GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:55 Koshi wrote: Mocsta, DI, Chrom, Sharrant and 1/2 of the active posters. I could give reasons for all of them. Pls do. I thought reasons woudl be self explanatory. | ||
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Lord Clarity_nl of House Stark.: Lord Xatalos of House Lannister.: Lord s0lstice of house Baratheon.: Lord Onegu of House Martell.: Lord Risen of House Greyjoy.: Lord Sharrant of House Tyrell.: hmmm I thought there was more votes then this. Just turns out there was a lot of vote changes. I think this is a fair outcome it has only been 24hrs. Hopefully the lords come to a consensus sooner than later. I still recommend Vivax | ||
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On August 14 2013 20:34 Sharrant wrote: Koshi has the strongest case in my eyes for being SK. Actual analysis will come when I'm not late for important things. Must say, i completely disagree considering i just came out of a game with koshi as sk. But yes, happy to hear the rationale. | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:21 kushm4sta wrote: i literally skim the thread for mentions of my name . I found acro mention me a few pages back and I responded to it. That is not reading the thread. Heres a tip for the future ctrl+f "kush" dude.. in sicilian. you were scum; vivax was town. so im keen for your perspective... please have a quick read of a couple vivax posts, and let me know if you think vivax is as scary as he was in sicilian | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:37 kushm4sta wrote: OK I READ THE FIRST HALF OF VIVAX FILTER I think he's pretty scummy. -too many question posts. open ended questions for no reason that lead no where. very passive! -he says the first lynch should be koshi. his reasons are terribad and not vivaxlike -he ignores yamato clap: (agree in full) me next ! | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:37 kushm4sta wrote: -he ignores yamato This is a point that needs further discussion. Several in the thread ignored the oats/yamato fighting, or tried to write it off as two townies duking it out(e.g. Acrofales) Does this make them scummy? | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:43 Onegu wrote: Rayne, clarity, Xata, Grack, and myself after those. respond to my pm dude | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:46 Clarity_nl wrote: I dunno. Depends if you think I'm scum? I mean, I never called em both town for it or anything but I don't think I ever even commented on it. Thats my point. tis alignment null. I find it odd kush listed it as a point because it was at at the end, came across to me as piece de resistance... maybe im over reading its 1am. gonna hit the sack | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:55 Risen wrote: So we're going to ignore the whole Koshi supporting a case that has been debunked thing clearly proving he's just spouting nonsense so he can appear active in thread? only so many things you can push in one cycle. I think we are maxed out dude currently. Trust me, there is nothing more i want to do then dissect Koshi, but.. its important for consolidation currently as it will stop the thread from becoming an unreadable shitstorm. | ||
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Im not proclaiming to be an SnB expert. I hate the guys play, and he hates mine. But in all the town games i played with him; he has honed onto oats like a homing missile. Personality 2 rings a big bell. Anyways, my original read on SnB I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town. I already explained to someone else why i said pushing nothing to me was town. It was a personal heuristic, not an SnB one. Regardless, in Sicilian I the memories I have is that he was constantly pushing a mislynch even in death (e.g. the whole SK thing).. so perhaps his general scum meta is to be timid, but i was judging him off the scum snb i just played with 1 week ago. Im also not sure how much I buy the whole oats love story cos showing mindset in night 0.. I have to re-read that whole "redacted" shite, and double check how snb handled the oats/yamato lynch but thats tomorrow too tired gotta sleep. To me, Vivax is still a surer lynch. | ||
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A Survivor is a lone player whose goal is to live until any other faction achieves their Win Condition, be it Town or scum. If the Survivor dies, it loses. Survivors are not known for getting any kind of compensation to help them achieve their Win Condition. ....... In theory vivax if survivor can win with town... ....... I might be able to buy the survivor claim... But the addition of jk is too hard to swallow I suspect he will flip scum rb. ........... Aside from that... Johnnywup martyr post stink so bad. He says he is demotivated, and I would like to know why. He's received fuck all pressure and when I ask him to justify his reads. He ignores me. I'm still willing to consider bad town because of the guy below Grackeroni..... This guys entry into the day is suspect and the posts stink. He's coming in to throw shit at people. I suggest lord no be taken off kush and focus fired on this guy... Or if u must kill kush. Then prioritize this guy over johnny ..... | ||
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Just saying I. My very limited experience. Survivor can win with either Execwpt personality2 where survivor had to be the last one standing. Regardless the jk claim is too hard to swallow. I would have preferred if he just claimed jk Or if claiming jk he said who he tarhetted without being prompted so yeah very suspect. Then grackeroni comes in conveniently to throw shit | ||
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On August 16 2013 10:18 Grackaroni wrote: Or would you prefer I had said the less logical answer, I am scum and I randomly made up Iam's view on you for town cred without reading the thread, and really have no idea what he thought of you. Hallejuah Finally the truth | ||
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That went over my head. He calls him town. And the context is referring to him as town. I believe he was saying he doesn't expect someone to play like that for their first scum game.. Anyways... Master of the tush.. kushmaster U promised more reads but I don't eemeber seeing the posted. Pls get to it | ||
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On August 16 2013 10:49 johnnywup wrote: I don't care what he *meant* to say. He said this was gracks first scum game. Scumslip? Possibly. Why are you defending kush? mocsta + kush + grack all scum? I'm not defending kush. I'm pointing out the flaw in your supposed scum slip. Yes bolded on its own it is a scumslip. But I do text it's a typo. What now it's scummy to make typos? Why are u being so aggressive over such a minute tell. I asked u before to give me sound reasons for your previous reads other than sharrant made a good case. Many have said the sharrant koshibcase is weak. So I would like to know why you believed in it. Gogogo | ||
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On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote: DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. Big words. What is your power? Do u have a chance to be lord? This sounds like a frog puffing up the chest | ||
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On August 16 2013 10:59 kushm4sta wrote: @johhnywup connection theories are retarded at this point in the game. The only connection theories you should be making are about yamato. who should I filter dive? I am currently taking one request. Also I already townread grack who a bunch of peopel thought was scum. How is that not productive? Someone asked u to filter dive rayn I think this is a good choice too | ||
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On August 16 2013 11:03 Grackaroni wrote: Who cares about roles/powers No, I don't think Xatalos would give me lord. The first part of my post doesn't concern you at all? Why focus on rolefishing? Learn to read. Power referred to lynch It's big words because you are not in a position to influence. That's elementary. | ||
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On August 16 2013 11:07 kushm4sta wrote: also i already gave a metainformed behavioral townread of xatalos U promised u would do anything to prove u r town Filter dive rayn | ||
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On August 16 2013 11:17 Grackaroni wrote: What's the point of even commenting that. You don't need to have a vote to influence a lynch, besides If Xatalos is town then I probably will be a lord at some point. What are you saying? That if I was lord I would suddenly flip-flop on DI? I'm saying your words are cheap. It's pretty cookie cutter | ||
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On August 16 2013 11:18 kushm4sta wrote: I will do ANYTHING BUT THAT. I would get lynched 1 thousand times before I did that. Currenting filterdiving koshi Get lynched then I'm pretty disappointed with u right now | ||
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On August 16 2013 02:32 s0Lstice wrote: Mocsta -- you claimed that you wanted to see more from Vivax, and knew he was legit busy. When he finally came back to the thread, his posting to me looked town, yet you drew scum from this, in addition to his earlier posting which you presumably had already processed. You've talked about it some, but can you explain in a little more detail? Yeah. My issue was he tried to dodge my questions. I asked him for justification for lack of followup. And he cited he something about having to read my case on chrom...which wasn't a case. Merely 2lines of thought. I believe he then contributed to ongoing convo but memory is a touch hazy there. Regardless he never retorted to my points and after reading his filter the consistency of his filter stuck out to me. Whereas when reading the game start to scratch I didn't get that feel as there was no thread presence. So in short. He chooses good times to post. But the whole feel of his filter just lacks the drive I expect froma town vivax.. if anything a town vivax would certainly run for mayor. Also regarding pms about yam. I hold no weight I. That. As said befor 1hp is hardly threatening AND scum vivax has no qualms bidding. He was a scum big in one game and shot a scummer. I still nailed him but can admit his playstyle has dramatically improved since then. | ||
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On August 16 2013 11:43 Grackaroni wrote: Sorry if you end up town. I just wanted to see how many people from your previous scum list would become townies during this exercise. (only me, koshi and s0lstice before you stopped). I feel like you planted this post to cast suspicion on me after you flip. Now this is an interesting post to keep on the backburner. I like this from u... Question though.. do u really think kush is smart enough to do that? | ||
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On August 16 2013 12:05 Grackaroni wrote: LOL you actually did read through my games. Angel was scum Wifom What's a higher chance Kush did a real meta read by clicking on ya profile and checking end game post of games Or Someone in scum team knows u and is feeding | ||
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On August 16 2013 12:22 Grackaroni wrote: I don't think anybody in this game knows me or was around to read those games. I ha e heard if u before and read u a while ago I just can't remember why... I don't believe I played with u though so it's not making sense. Don't care anyways not game relevant | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:05 Acrofales wrote: That is far from the most interesting question. WTF happened in Winterfell? SnB scum and some kinda coupe? I was looking forward to sharing deep discourse with him. Is that a problem for u? | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:15 Acrofales wrote: Closed setup, so good luck defining whether we're at lylo or not. House Stark not having a leader seems like a scumplay. The lack of deaths seems like IF it was a power grab it only half-succeeded at best. I'm gonna park my vote. Plurality lynch, so better be paranoid as hell. ##vote Strongandbig This is a bullshit vote. If you think this is scumplay, then ask the question to both parties within House Stark. Further, you cast scummy doubt over 3 of the lords if they hastily vote. Then you proceed to become a hypocrite. | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:19 Sharrant wrote: Hey, Mocsta, who do you want to lynch most right now? Who do you think is the towniest person there is? Why on both of those? Towniest person is myself. Obviously that might not satisfy you, so Clarity. Why does this matter? Who do I want to lynch the most? I wanted to the lynch johnnywup; I felt reading the interactions with Vivax, that Vivax was coaching him in the thread. However, he apparently has low HP; so might be best dealt with Lord KP. Who do I want to lynch second? Grackeroni | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:26 Sharrant wrote: Fine. I'm too excited. I have a red check on Mocsta. You're welcome. Wow.. this just became very interesting. | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:28 Sharrant wrote: Yeah, you could also read the thread sometime. The two people are the other people in my house. Seriously, even Risen had to print a retraction because of it. Get with the times. Yes, I'm a detective that alternates between alignment check (odd days) and hp check (even days). I think you are town; so Im going to believe the check is valid. I led the lynch on Vivax; why check me? | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:37 Sharrant wrote: I can't read your posts, and it makes it so I can never read you in a game. I found Kirby scummy, but I know I can't read you, so I used the check on you to simplify matters. OK. ##vote: Mocsta | ||
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Course.. im not fuckn scum ###Unvote Thanx scum qt, for telling me not to martyr myself | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:48 johnnywup wrote: lol can we ignore mocsta for the rest of the day please Why? | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote: I promise thats not me. What I am is this http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpbc3pWRCV1qf42pr.jpg I eat mother fuckn baby seals for breakfast... The most disapointing thing about Sharant, is that instead of qusetioning why I led the lynch on Vivax; he insta-votes and assumes theres no way to falsify a detective check. I get he can't read me; but its still disappointing. | ||
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However, I ask that after my flip; that you do take the time to read it. Its only then that you can trust whats on it. I will make this my last post; so that this is not forgotten. I re-read SnB + Vivax filter. I think SnB is town actaully from his filter; + Im assuming for time being, 1 mafia / house. Vivax filter is odd, im not sure how much weight to put on it (1) His interactions with johnnywup are really weird; hes almost coaching him to give responses I think this implicates johnnywup heavily (2) I think acro is town; he puts early pressure on Vivax for the *right* reasons (3) Vivax has really odd interactions with Rayn; really odd I also think his implicates rayn as scum, but i could be tunneled (4) Vivax makes a joke about not RB'n and getting scum to fake claim.. (which I know he has done before, so have i)... but then when risen says xatalos is scum.. vivax goes (im not surprised)... i dunno, this gives me some real doubt on xatalos.. but surely he isnt scum when i said i did my filter read, and want to lynch vivax.. he gave me townie points and supported the lynch.. so prob over reading this whole thing... So if we assume 1 scum per house we get.. House Tyrell: ??Kushm4sta ??johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales between kush & johnnywup, i prefer johnnywup as scum House Greyjoy ??raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Nachomamma8 Risen I prefer rayn over Risen.... Risen has been constantly crazy, and does change reads based on info presented to him... rayn supported the vivax lynch once it was already set !! and kept quiet for a while.. i wish rayn was lord, i would loved to have seen him try and fight the vivax lynch in pm so i like rayn as scum. House Stark strongandbig Clarity_nl Oatsmaster Vivax Clarity is surely town, and as mentioned I like snb. This house is purged of scum. House Lannister iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Gumshoe Xatalos has been so pro town... Grackaroni had some weird interactions with kush. This is where there might be a possibly of all townies in a house; thus, Kush + johnnywup are double scum... when kush dies, if he is town... grackaroni is certainly scum I think. House Baratheon ??Chromatically Koshi S0lstice ??Dandel Ion This is a tough one... I have no friggen idea. I think s0lstice is the towniest.. im still not fully sold on chromatically; one thing that bugged me is that chromatically never responded to me calling him out as scum.. granted i didnt actaully make a case, i would have expected him to retaliate, no? Im warming up to koshi, i think he actually believes his cases, and is just a really bad player. House Martell Oberyn jrkirby yamato77 Onegu This house is purged of scum.. man.. there is no way you are scum; if you are, you deserve a mafia award | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:55 Sharrant wrote: Its OK man. Marv can't read me either when I replace in a game.Already thought lots about it, that's why I didn't particularly mention you since you've replaced in. But let's see: You A)Replaced someone I found scummy B)Have a red check against you C)Are a player I can't read So yes, you totally could have been framed, but I find it very unlikely, and entirely worth the risk. Many did find jrkirby scummy; so i dont hold it against you either. Just note if you take the time to read his filter again.. did he actaully push a scummy agenda; especially now we have more flips for context.. or was he just a guy that was thinking otuside the status quo? Personally thats where I saw him.. but to each his own. | ||
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On August 17 2013 15:04 Sharrant wrote: Nah its OK I can handle having my first mislynch.If you're town, stick around and do your best for the town today and then we can trust your effort when you flip. I came into this game not wanting to read the thread; so that I did is alraedy way more effort than I wanted to put into the game in the first place. Ppl still doubt even after everything I done in 72hours. Theres only so much a person can do. I find it funny how lurkers like johnnywup come in instantly to discredit my 1 scum / house theory. Grackeroni discredited it in PMs as well. All i know is. I have a town read on onegu, and know im town. So tehres no scum in house martell. I also think both Clarity + SnB are town, so no scum in house stark. Thats why i have the theory of 1 scum / house. If my flip is needed for town to see that; then so be it. My prefer for lynch is Grackeroni or Rayn. I will leave my vote on Grackeroni, mainly because he came up with a lord pm to try and get a JK claim from me. ##Vote: Grackeroni | ||
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On August 17 2013 15:14 Grackaroni wrote: Alraedy explained in PMs@Mocsta Please explain why last night your opinion on my interactions with Kush went from townie To suddenly my interactions with him are scummy based on him flipping town. I'm thoroughly unimpressed and now am forced to even agree with Johnnywup that your logic that all houses must have scum is faulty. "scum is a sliding scale from. probably scum -> leaning scum -> null -> leaning town -> probably town. You were leaning scum to me prior to kush. after wards, you became more town and sat @ null." | ||
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Im resigned from this game because from my POV, i was looking forward to being lord and working with my town reads (e.g. yourself/acro/xatalos). When the draw came out, i was surprised. I even messaged Acro and said outright, you are the only lord I trust. Hence, when the check came out (from someone who I have a townread on based on the yam lynch) I felt I was already lynched because ppl like rayn were most likely going to vote me even without the redcheck. However, the events have been good for a couple reasons. #1. I dont have a scum read on Grackeroni anymore. We have been talking before/after the redcheck. Its not entirely fruitful in finding alternative scum targets; but, its more the effort. I find it really unlikely for scum to keep talking to me, and keep trying to ask why i reverted my read from null to scum. Whereas, ppl like rayn.. well, they just ignore me... Oddly enough, I expected Acro to maintain convo with me; instead he voted me, and has ignored me as well. So in short: Im liking Grack as town, and xat as town. So my 1 scum/hosue theory is debunked for now. #2. Sharrants been bugging me with the whole "i cant read mocsta" thing... I just can't recall sharrant being like that. most of the games i played with sharrant; i have actaully replaced into, and sharrant was already MISLYNCHED!!! so hes never really had to actually divine my alignment.. but thats nitpicking. For the time being, Im going to believe the cop claim. #3. With Grack out of the equation, im back to wanting to lynch Rayn. He pretends he was the first to want to lynch Vivax, but as we know in mafia. its not saying "i want xxx gone" its about actually pushing. What rayn did was drop everything to chase me. Im the one who actaully campaigned for a vivax lynch... ##Unvote ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On August 17 2013 17:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: there was a player on D3 who was perfectly okay with lynching his townread SnB and shooting his townread kushmasta? Do you remember who that player is and why did you not comment in any way into that when i pointed it out? LOLOLOL. This is funny. I spent a lot of cycle asking ppl not to shoot kush. No1 listened; i even argued the point of this game is to eliminate scum, not shoot bad townie. Its funny how you are trying to twist this to my fault and im 'OK with his death".. i wasn't a lord, and thus wasn't responsible for shooting kush. I still did everything in my power/ability to prevent the kill. In the end, there was too much uncertainty surrounding him, and he had to go. Theres nothing untownie in admitting that lololol. And if i was ok with lynching SnB, I wouldnt have spearheaded the vivax lynch. This is just so full of crap from you. | ||
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On August 17 2013 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Mocsta saying he pushed Vivax lynch is bullshit. He did only start pushing it after i pointed out he was okay with lynching his townread. This is actually funny. Cos I had SnB as a scum read way when I was pushing Vivax. So.. lets see how Rayn pushes Vivax D3 Ctrl+f "Vivax" On August 15 2013 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax should be pressured hard on D3. Again, the same thing that happened in D1 end. He made a couple of good posts but other than that he is useless. I'm planning on pressuring him hard from D3 start, now is time to start playing if he is town. On August 14 2013 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also we are lynching Vivax today. On August 14 2013 15:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax has not done shit other than popped in at the end of the phase with posts that have done nothing with the current lynch targets. On August 14 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta is mafia. LOL.. thats Rayn "spearheading" heavy pressure on Vivax..... BTW, Vivax didnt respond to that heavy pressure, but he drops it all for me.. How nice of you rayn. Look how polite Rayn then asks Vivax stuff, afterwards On August 15 2013 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax, it's not that i disagree with his "shit". It's that i pointed out why he is not playing for town. Do you disagree with me (having played in LXI) in what i said about his read and thoughts about Sharrant? Do you disagree with me that his reads are bullshit? If so, show me why. Do you disagree with me that his behavior is anti-town in general (trying to cast shit on people for no reason just because they call him out)? If so, why? On August 15 2013 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia? On August 15 2013 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: <To Vivax> Because i have a scumread on you, and you are possibly getting lynched today if you do not stop this bullshit. You having a townread on me is fine, you having a townread on me based on meta that does not hold water is not fine. I want to have a better read on you, i do read people based on how they interact with me, so could you now please my wish instead of being a dick. On August 16 2013 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm happy that Vivax is getting murdered. I have nothing to say pretty much. It didnt read to me at all that Rayn promoted a Vivax lynch; or went anyways towards ascertaining his alignment. Lets check Mocsta out. Ctrl+f "Vivax" On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote: In short: Scummish reads (firm at top, soft at bottom) ...Vivax ... On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote: Ok. Skimmed all filters and was left with a couple that stuck out to me Snb Grackeroni Koshi Vivax Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter. I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle. ... Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro. In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax. I can live with snb though. On August 15 2013 20:48 Mocsta wrote: ... Either way.. im fully comfortable with a vivax lynch, or snb. (I prefer vivax.. mainly cos i respect his play much more than snb) On August 15 2013 21:10 Mocsta wrote: ... But if you want a rough idea. If SnB is to be lynched; I would focus fire Vivax. On August 15 2013 22:46 Mocsta wrote: I still want vivax gone. On August 15 2013 23:33 Mocsta wrote: As I said; im not sure how much to value it; so I would perfer a lynch im more confident about.. e.g. vivax. On August 16 2013 00:18 Mocsta wrote: I still recommend Vivax On August 16 2013 01:27 Mocsta wrote: <To kushmaster> Heres a tip for the future ctrl+f "kush" dude.. in sicilian. you were scum; vivax was town. so im keen for your perspective... please have a quick read of a couple vivax posts, and let me know if you think vivax is as scary as he was in sicilian In short.. RAyn is full of shit. And needs to be lynched. He scum. My vote is already there. | ||
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On August 17 2013 17:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, I'll look over his filter today at some point anyway. If you're right about what you said then yeah.. you probably would've convinced me today even without the redcheck. Well.. Clarity. Hes already wrong, so Im surprised you would be "convinced" so quickly. Just thinka bout this... rayn is citing what occured in the thread.. NOT pm land. If he wants to quote thread history.. why paraphrase instead of actually quote.. well its because hes lying.. and i proved that in the post above. When i first started pushing vivax, i actaully thought snb was scummy; so rayn is lying out of his arse. | ||
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On August 17 2013 17:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote: ... Strongandbig I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town. ... Firm Iamperfection Chromatically Risen Soft Raynpelikoneet or Acrofales Koshi Vivax mmm got iamp wrong.. damn.. On August 14 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote: Last I checjed. U r not lord. Chromatically >>> vivax On August 14 2013 15:15 Mocsta wrote: I gave an intuition read on chromatically in my reads. That's my basis and can be easily supported by quotes. The guy is a classic blender. As for vivax. He needs more time. This town keeps wanting to lynch ppl with genuine in real life business. Did u not learn your lesson with gumshoe. Firm tofu etc Vivax has been busy. Now he's no saint to me. But deserves a chance to post uninhibited Unlike chromatically who has been flying under the radar by choice and then pushing lurkers. On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote: Ok. Skimmed all filters and was left with a couple that stuck out to me Snb Grackeroni Koshi Vivax Rayn I'm back to 50/50. I think my issue with him is we are treating the same tells 100% opposite. But he's standing up for his belief, as am I. That's indicative of town. So will give him a beeather. Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter. I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle. Koshi still sticks out to me. The really poor logic throughout the game. Not wanting to run for lord and then changing mind when an opportunity came through. He has also shown an inflexible mindset. I'm happy with his lynch too. Grackeroni. I can't pinpoint it off my first skim but.. he's blending it. He shows enough understanding of the thread so is keeping up. But I don't like the moments he chooses to come into the thread. He's not really driving anything so the contributions I feel are fake. Plus u have the whole gumshoe 1hp leak thing. He made a defense of it which was handled well I admit. But too slick compared to his other posts. Smells very funny to me. Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro. In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax. I can live with snb though. Notice that Mocsta has read the game earlier, in full. There is no new information because Vivax and SnB have not posted on D3. Notice how his reads on them suddenly change because he "read the same things he read earlier". Bullshit. LOL. This is classic guy doing ctrl+f, but not reading anything. There was new information. And i explained this to s0lstice already http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047¤tpage=180#3581 *God its nice having a transparent filter* + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 11:49 Mocsta wrote: Yeah. My issue was he tried to dodge my questions. I asked him for justification for lack of followup. And he cited he something about having to read my case on chrom...which wasn't a case. Merely 2lines of thought. I believe he then contributed to ongoing convo but memory is a touch hazy there. Regardless he never retorted to my points and after reading his filter the consistency of his filter stuck out to me. Whereas when reading the game start to scratch I didn't get that feel as there was no thread presence. So in short. He chooses good times to post. But the whole feel of his filter just lacks the drive I expect froma town vivax.. if anything a town vivax would certainly run for mayor. Also regarding pms about yam. I hold no weight I. That. As said befor 1hp is hardly threatening AND scum vivax has no qualms bidding. He was a scum big in one game and shot a scummer. I still nailed him but can admit his playstyle has dramatically improved since then. + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 21:17 Mocsta wrote: Kush is interesting. Someone else, because he didtn die "scum let him jump off a cliff" I disagree, because its clear they used scum used their NK to finish off Night1 targets. I also think Kush is town. So I would seriously suggest not to direct Lord KP that direction. On August 15 2013 21:57 Mocsta wrote: yeah; but thats giving a lot of respect to Kush. Unfortunately, he doesnt even deserve that level of respect... seriously.. read the scum qt for "sicilian' mafia lol If you really have that much doubt in kush.. sure shoot him.. but last i checked, the concept of the game was to lynch scum; not clear rid of bad townies. On August 15 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Mocsta is okay with lynching his town reads and shooting his town reads. Seems legit. Also seems legit that nobody reads my case on him and now people realize "on their own" how shitty his reads in fact are. Why do i even bother posting? As for shooting Kush.,. yeah. I did my best to try n get him off the table, but the lords didnt want to cave. What can ya do? You are weirdly fixated on this point I must say. Its not alignment indicative to be comfortable with a kush death. Hes not someone you want to end game with as TOWN or SCUM. This is when Mocsta starts really pushing Vivax lynch. Prove me wrong scum. Q.E.D | ||
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On August 17 2013 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Mocsta. You tell one stuff to someone, then you tell another stuff to other people. Compare your answer to Solstice to this: You are talking about Vivax' filter. This is entirely different than what do you say to Solstice. You are talking about Vivax' overall play, not how he responds to you. If you say so rayn. What I said to s0lstice read quite clear to me. Regardless he never retorted to my points and after reading his filter the consistency of his filter stuck out to me. Whereas when reading the game start to scratch I didn't get that feel as there was no thread presence. | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who had scumreads on Clarity on D1 end? Lol.. first post in from me. On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote: Clarity_nl Like him a lot.. I think he had a rough start, in fact I thought his first post was scummy. Since then, maybe around page 40; he has shown publically the best mindset I think. Is quite open to possibilities and is not haste in putting down people. Firm Town. Its not unreasonable at all to think others also thought he looked poorly Day1. | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: You were not here on D1 end. Please let Onegu answer. Why does it matter who had scum reads on him. Are you trying to get the town RB to claim? The point is; he started off weakly, so it is not unreasonable to have RB'd him. | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not trying to get anyone to claim. Now shut up already and let Onegu answer. You are. You are proposing that the town RB chose xat or clarity. Onegu explained very reasonably why a town RB may have chosen clarity. I reinforced that message. That satisfies the request.. now you are asking "so who had scum reads on clarity". Thats essentially "who is town RB" | ||
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The important take is rayn now admits sharrant is playing diff to mafia lix.. when I came in the game saying sharrant is different . Rayn tried to throw shit at me This guy just changes his tune based on who he's talking to. He can't hide from me. Even with a 17page filter. He's scum yo | ||
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Honestly. I don't blue hunt when I play as town But to do that is not alignment indicative either. This convo is truly pointless. ........ | ||
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Please detail why my play is nullish. When u were saying it was leaning townish yesterday. Why is me saying. This is interesting alignment indicative? U have been a voice of reason all game. So I am sure that u should be able to easily justify your position. Lastly. Why have you not commented on the interplay with rayn | ||
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As fir why I gave up. I explained that. There was only 1 lord I trusted abd he insta voted me..is that not demoralizing? Is it not important I'm here. Still posting? | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:35 Xatalos wrote: It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum? Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way? I have explained several times Sharrant play doesn't match to what I know of him as town But. Based on lynching yam. I think he is town If it came down to us two for today. I would rather lynch him than me 1. I know in town 2.if Dt. He should be dead this night regardless 3. He doesn't contribute to scum hunting other than the checks. Unlike myself. Of course. I prefer rayn over both of us though | ||
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On August 17 2013 22:07 Dandel Ion wrote: I rescind any and all town feelings on mocsta. lynch or shoot, whatever, idc. All cos I wouldn't give u hp check info lol Why is that alignment indicative again? U asked me to be shot | ||
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On August 17 2013 23:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah unless he somehow got healed. Sucks that we have 1 less kp tonight but mocsta can die tonight. This is your cue btw mocsta, even if you think you can't avoid getting killed by town, time to contribute with all your thoughts nicely condensed and useful etc etc Go fuck yourself | ||
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From: Dandel Ion [ 7123 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: hello Date: 8/17/13 21:29 can you give me the hp numbers plz? i wanted to check my house anyways, twice. before and after a night. if you gimme i can just use our check now and it'd save me sick amounts of time. Original Message From Mocsta: We used it last cycle to check your house. What hp am I on. Btw? Do we know who checked me? I'm pretty proud to be shot as a late replacement. Show nested quote + I can get modkilled now. U guys are a bunch of real dumb fucks. | ||
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On August 20 2013 14:43 Ace wrote: GG. damn I was getting super suspect of rayne but wanted to dialogue our Lord elections that night so I could solidify my reads. Only thing that threw me off was Risen not instavoting Yamato even though he posted in the thread. Stupid Town as always sharing too much information. Deserved to lose. Agree. Too focused on actions rather than motive. Ohh well u get that most games I suppose. | ||
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Once I caught up before pushing vivax. I was over chromatically. No-one wanted a bar of it stating he was town based on pms.. Sigh. Guess I shoulda pushed him harder. Scum did well. Had rayn/koshi tag teaming to shit the thread. And chrom in pm land with town cred. | ||
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On August 20 2013 14:50 s0Lstice wrote: yea chrom fooled the shit out of me. worst read I had this game. good job chrom. going into today I was gonna be on rayn and acro. that last cycle was bad for us. not much I/we could do to keep the votes out of acro and rayn's hands. The game was basically over then...but truthfully it was over when Mocsta modkilled himself. wtf dude. really just took the wind out of my sails. This is such a sore loser attitude. I was a replacement. My slot was effectively dead. I'm not condoning the modkill. Merely stating to blame a loss based on what the replacement did is poor play. I lynched scum and pushed 4/5 of them in the thread..yet was requested to be shot...what did u do? | ||
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On August 20 2013 15:04 s0Lstice wrote: yeah ok. But why? Modkills happen each and everygame. My slot was dead before replacing.how about shut up? I'm not blaming you for the loss.* I'm blaming you for taking enjoyment out of the game for me. I really don't understand the reaction in comparison to everyday modkills. | ||
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On August 20 2013 15:18 DrParnassus wrote: moc, yours was malicious. i remember reading that you've never been mislynched.... ragequitting at a critical time for town is not the ideal way to uphold that statistic It may have been taken that way. But it was actually for town to move on and get a successful lynch. I didn't predict town would react that way Either way. I genuinely didn't know it was cheating. If I did. I certainly wouldn't have quit. So I do apologise on those grounds. | ||
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And yes it doesn't matter. Ppl gonna take it however they want to take it. | ||
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Got much more respect for rayn. Only up to post 300 but he's holding the team together well | ||
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Great play and deserves win I'm not sure if town would have lynched scum without the sharrant yamato check. Excellent thread awareness. And the section where koshi was riding out the fakeclaim was hillarious. Kitamins big play was so damn close hahah. Big balls koshi. Rayn for scum mvp though. Excellent abuse of an apaethetic town. Well done | ||
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Like u said. To each their own. Xat was frustrating for me.. too transparent. Perhaps that's what I'm like as I'm known for flipflopping reads instantly. It's very annoying as u don't know where u stand even though there is complete transparency Oberyn and onegu were great to work with in pm land. They unintentionally motivated me to read the game. I was serious when I entered and said I had no care to catch up. And yeah. Iamp. My issue with u was that u were working with rayn and I had rayn in my scum list. Guess that's a heuristic I have to drop. | ||
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I'm not sure how to handle the lurker situation .but that's a bigger issue for others more versed in the nuances of mafia. For host I liked the setup but not sure about scum kp being fixed. Granted that I did not compute any numbers. I suppose more than 1.5kp would have been too much with lynch and lord kp. Plus I dont like paraphrase logs. I'm comfortable with forum pm only. But I like being able to paste it if required. | ||
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And yeah I only blue hunt as scum or a blue. As vt I just want to lynch scum. And also. Town really needs to read dead filters more. I know it's hard with spammy filters but it's got to be done | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:35 Xatalos wrote: Scum really had several strong players (and Koshi excels in making me think he's town -.-) so I don't feel too bad. I hope I'm scum next though. I enjoy knowing everything and having 100% trusted allies much more than walking in the dark. Its pretty easy. This is what I alluded to in the obsqt. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423708&user=Koshi His town filter in the newbie coming in as a replacement, is nothing like this game at all. Koshi can actually write clear, concise and not emotionally attached (which was a shock for me too). | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Maybe not bad targets. Certainly not good either. Gumshoe especially. Why would you shoot someone with zero posts in general? Thats a complete lottery draw.We had a lot of lurkers though. gumshoe, kush.. they weren't bad targets. It's just like a lynch. You look back and see who wanted who shot and later put the pieces together. Policy shot on kush/grush is acceptable. | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:49 Xatalos wrote: And did jrkirby and Nacho have any decent explanation? If not, them as well... At least someone doesn't look through the world with rose-coloured glasses. Gentleman and a scholar, Xatalos. | ||
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On August 20 2013 18:51 Clarity_nl wrote: I hate it when a qt gets too long and removes the button "all messages" at the end of the qt link /p0.600 and to then cos qt >600 /p0.900 dw. i know you wont thank me publically, but you still appreciate it | ||
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sciilian -= town got = scum i think you played completely different. The core is teh same; but the intention is different. I thought you explained yourself quite well in sicilian. This game you tend to get fixated on points and refuse to concede any ground. Thats normally pretty scummy to me because as scum its already hard to find an argument you believe in enough to rant about. | ||
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Essentially a great sounding board and an important role for town to have. In theory u and cat played off each other well.. But in practice I think got fixated too much on the theory world of Mafia. I.e. eradicating lurkers/bad town instead of top scum. Overall given the prevalence of lurkers. I do think u both played well and did the best of what was available. | ||
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I guess in diff words. Having u in the thread was like being linked to a town hydra. Maybe YOU don't find the scum. But u help ENABLE the other ppl to find scum. Its an important support role. There's not many ppl I like publivally bouncing ideas off but u r one of them. I think its because u r quite impartial to everyone. Whereas most ppl have biases. Some public, some hidden. | ||
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On August 21 2013 05:56 kitaman27 wrote: Hehe you and Acro did a good job putting distance between each other on day one with that nonsense about not revealing the meaningless plan. With a scum read on Acro and your activity in pms, I never took the time to take a look at you. lol. same for me, but reversed with a to as town. I didn't have acro as scum till he screwed me in pms. | ||
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Gonna be trolls everywhere in life. Kush prob gets enjoyment out of it, as he keeps coming back for more heckling. | ||
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the supposition is that there are others like kushmaster around, and they all congregate. thus nthe natural deduction for someone like kush, is that others would take the same action he takes. a fairly likely possibility. perhaps, there some funky water in Maine? gtfo, what u know about Maine...right? | ||
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I would certainly vote with taht case Kita. Im gonna have to use that style next game hahah | ||
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worked out pretty well in identifying scum. I just couldn't recall why anyone was dodgy without doing a deeper reread. | ||
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On August 22 2013 07:42 kushm4sta wrote: Is it because only the elite class are rich enough to own personal computers? ? I would have thought that was more the case in America. We weren't put into a recession during the GFC. | ||
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if ur sole reason to comment was that, then get a life | ||
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why don't u stick to your word and post in the ban thread....hypocrite?? I already said punishment was fair due to cheating. I made a personal decision to not join persona. ultimately, your not host, so respect their decision which ever way it is; and learn to be impartial. if u want the host to play the modkill game, he already said half the thread would get bans. | ||
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Did bot recently firm tofu have an incident where a scum conceded to a similar scenario you described. No ban eventuated. As stated I'm sitting out a game. Lets move on please. | ||
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