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On July 30 2013 11:43 s0Lstice wrote: My 2 cents: I like the size and the start date as it stands now Agree | ||
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On August 04 2013 21:20 Chezinu wrote: /out Not sure I would be able to keep up. | ||
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On August 05 2013 13:46 Ace wrote: I'm interested because finally another game with Night 0 start. Going to /in? | ||
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On August 05 2013 17:14 FirmTofu wrote: geript /out ing is gonna make the thread much more manageable to catch up to. Thanks geript! Lol | ||
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On August 06 2013 03:26 s0Lstice wrote: all i know is i better be in house greyjoy All about house Arryn, Your ships cant get up the vale I win! | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:54 DrParnassus wrote: The game is starting exactly 26 hours and 10 minutes from this post. T_T This game has made me cry alot | ||
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On August 07 2013 06:47 gumshoe wrote: Who was the night king. + Show Spoiler + The nightswatchman who had sex with a other and named himself king of the wall until the starks and people north of the wall came for him. He is also a coldhands canidate. | ||
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On August 07 2013 06:40 gumshoe wrote: Name all five faceless men assassinations that occur during the 5 existing books. + Show Spoiler + Jaqen H'Ghar 3 kills in harrenhal, the alchimist killing Pate in oldtown, and Arya killing the insurance dealer in Bravos. Maybe count Balon Grayjoy. | ||
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House Lothston, but she had it painted | ||
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Sir Duncan the Tall | ||
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check me in the spoilers I answered after you said what was it painted to. | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:38 s0Lstice wrote: My dearest gumshoe. + Show Spoiler + Who was left alive at the tower of joy with ned stark? Who lives at stone hedge? + Show Spoiler + The old woman who gives visions of the future for songs right? | ||
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On August 07 2013 08:56 s0Lstice wrote: Its the seat of power of house bracken. Last one. What was the first major battle of the war of the usurper? I guess I'd take two answers for this. + Show Spoiler + Storms end? Or battle of the bells? | ||
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The last adult sand snake is the daughter of a septa | ||
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On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote: Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. Jeez dude thanks | ||
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On August 08 2013 15:14 Onegu wrote: If it is random scum distrabution there maybe multiple houses who dont have scum, if scum can completely wipe a house out getting rid of a vote, that is very helpful for scum and something we should avoid if possible. | ||
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On August 08 2013 16:15 johnnywup wrote: Actually, since Scum is randomly distributed it's likely that they do already know who's in every house. There's 24 players so around 5 people are mafia. It's likely that there's one in each house except maybe one or two. Which means they do probably know who's in what house. I feel like an idiot. If two houses then there are 8 people they dont know what house they are in giving them that info is stupid as it is much more valuable for them then giving it to town with zero reads to use with it. | ||
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On August 08 2013 18:40 Xatalos wrote: If anything, I think it's more suspicious for a veteran player to be a Lord than for a newbie. Scum veterans kind of have to aim for the Lord status or gather suspicion... But what newbie scum would aim for Lord right away? It would be so much easier to stay out of the most heated action. No I doubt he is scum, I think he is a scapegoat. Thats why I want his house list. | ||
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On August 08 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hail to the One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us. Then there is our house. To protect the identities of our housemates let´s call them FT, NM8 and RI. I PM'd everyone at the start of the game saying i am running for the house lord. I also asked people some questions, mainly about if they thought we should reveal our house members or not. FT answered me first telling he was gonna run for the lord too, saying he would be willing to vote for me though if consolidation was needed, and answering my question. He wanted to know what thread thought about the "revealing housemates" question before giving an answer. Bullshit answer. That´s really bad, he does not have an opinion on his own. Note that the motive behind the question was the following; It was possible that mafia did not have their shit together at that point of the game. If town benefits (which we will, the real question is how much) from the reveal, mafia needs to deal with this shit somehow. Having an opinion (whatever that is) should not be a problem if you are town. Seems fishy. FT then puts up his own campaign and apparently sent that to everyone. I asked people what they did think about his campaign. This is when RI answers me. He tells me he´s not gonna run for the house lord title because he had a long break and is not comfortable leading. FT´s campaign seems fishy to him because FT feels noncommittal in his campaign. I notived the same thing, although i felt more like FT was trying to sound confident (something he totally lacked in his other PM´s with me) but he really wasn´t confident. He was leaving himself multiple outs like thet he is gonna use our house´s vote on whoever the majority of our house decides on. That´s bullshit. RI says he´s okay with voting me. NM8 also answers me. Says he´s played on another forum for some years. He is okay with voting for me, and he actually gives reasons why he want´s to elect me. Transparency, activity, when transparent harder to fake if mafia etc. Sounds pretty townish thinking to me. I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen. FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness. RI seems okay. NM8 town. I would like to hear what you guys talked with each other. I am under the assumption that everyone in our house has been in contact with other people? I do not know what to make of the Dandel/Koshi/Solstice/Chromatically stuff that´s been going on in thread. Other than that this is most likely town!Dandel. Koshi you said Dandel lied. Care to point out how (if you didn´t already when i am writing this post)? The thing that most sticks out to me so far is this: Onegu: This is what Onegu had to say at the start of the game: Onegu clearly thinks it not beneficial to tell the thread who is in what house. When yamato exposes their house´s member he follows up with this: That is a contradiction. Outing your house members is first anti-town, but when yamato does it he gets a townread because of that. Onegu, explain, because the explanation you gave is really bad. No its not why would scum need to post his house in thread he could just keep in scum qt. Posting it in actual thread is not pro town, but not pro scum either. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: So it wasn´t my thoughts about Onegu that was weak after all? Why the sudden change of mind? If a player thinks an action is anti-town, they can´t possibly give someone town credit from it. You said that yourself. If you havn´t noticed i am following the Koshi/DI situation. I think DI is town. I am not sure about Koshi, but there is no point in everyone spamming questions to him in thread. what makes you think i am not trying to get more information on that matter? Why should i call Koshi town or mafia if i do not know what that rant with DI makes him? Its possible town is helping scum by doing something illogical. I can see town motivation for giving out house lists, even though I think it is anti town, there is no scum motivation for posting the list. | ||
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On August 09 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato, did you first vote for Onegu for the house lord because of experienced? I dont think he voted for me, he Pmd me saying I should vote for him because he has the most experience. | ||
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On August 09 2013 01:15 Clarity_nl wrote: snb gave me his rolename and told me not to tell anyone. I told someone and asked them what they thought. snb asked me why and I said to see what he thought, later on he asked me why again and I said to see his reaction. Not exactly contradictory.. Yeah I dont have much of a problem wirh this. If you are going to give random info to someone accept what happens, him pm'ing someone why is that scummy. Why would scum pm someone with that info? | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I think me ruining snb's "experiment" isn't even his issue. It's the "lie" which was simply a mistake. So..... let's move on, yes? A couple of people here can tell you that when I'm town I tend to shine green and when I'm scum I tend to... not shine so green. Onegu you promised to post your thoughts on everything. Did you cover everything you wanted in the same post? Still working my head around the FT thing. Posted thoughts on clarity, and sol already. | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: THERE IS NO INFO IN CLAIMING YOUR ROLE NAME! Or is there? Do role names imply alignment? There is no way of knowing SnB did it to become lord though. And there could be eole names that are alignment indicative or not we cant know so passing that info on does nothing for scum. | ||
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On August 09 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why didn´t you ask the hosts if role names are alignment indicative or not before basing your read on someone on the the "fact" that "they might be"? Fine I will ask but when they tell me could be, Ill keep my arguement. | ||
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On August 09 2013 04:01 Risen wrote: So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum. This makes zero sense why not do that in scum qt if both scum, or even bring it up to SnB why not keep it to themselves? | ||
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@Firm you caught up? Respond to the case against you. | ||
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On August 09 2013 22:29 Oberyn wrote: onegu expressed that he would prefer my vote to remain on sol. I wanted to see where the thread went after the discussion of sol died off and there was still a full 24 hours left in the day to explore new individuals. I replied that I wanted to pressure Acro and would likely return to sol. At this point, I'm undecided whether or not I will be returning to sol, dandel, or possibly yamato/iamp. When I poked yamato for activity, he said he would be on for a while tonight and assumed he would catch up in the thread. He has continued to be around, but not helpful, which is why he is one of my preferred lurker shot candidates (See dandel, that wasn't very hard was it? Your turn!) Sorry in hospital all day, about to sleep but will be up multiple hours before deadline to post my thoughts. But Oberyn lies here. I never said I would prefer his vote to stay on Sol... He does tell me his vote is just a pressure vote when I ask him thoughts on the situation, but I have never told him who to vote or that his vote should stay on someone. | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:21 Xatalos wrote: I certainly don't like jrkirby's weak thread presence. It's also weird to be so focused on setup, HP and such. He isn't even a Lord, so why is he interested in players' HP? Maybe he's scum? In any case, grackaroni, what do you think of s0Lstice, Koshi, Acro and Oberyn? This is every jrkirby game, check out bluelightz for the most recent example, he is lynch bait in every game. | ||
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Second reign case on me, SnB asked me my thoughts on S0L and FT and there wasnt much to go on so I said we need more info, I wasnt just posting random shit. Also again I am disabled and have a disabled child so sometimes I will be very active as I have nothing else to do, but others I will be at a hospital or on medicine and not post much. Koshi looks scummy to me also, I will filter dive him now and bring up the points I found. Also I was the main reason oberyn was elected, I thought he was Prome smurf so I straight up told him I would vote him, I also told jrkirby this. I later found out he isnt prome, but I had many discussions with him before voteing and found him the best choice. Do we know when a house has used thier HP check? Or if I become lord can I find out if we still have it. Thinking about this maybe we shouldnt elect the same lord because if they are scum and use the HP check and we continue to elect them lord we will never find out if they used it or still have it. I also like the split lord kp on 2 targets. | ||
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On August 10 2013 12:28 Chromatically wrote: I was kind of assuming that we were going to vig shoot Tofu because he's pretty much a complete inactive, but I definitely don't have a problem with lynching him. Onegu, what did you mean by "scapegoat" here? I said it before, that more experianced players were forceing you to become lord to hide behind you. | ||
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On July 29 2013 10:38 Promethelax wrote: Before I began playing mafia. Ruminate on that. This is the post that made me think it was prome smurf | ||
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On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote: @ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why write this? What makes them all scum and why call out oats about haveing town reads on people. On August 08 2013 20:05 Koshi wrote: Ok I agree. But at this point we are not doing normal scumhunting. Everybody is discussing the houses while we are not allowed to mention the members in the houses. At this point we can't do any scumhunting at all. So you agree we shouldnt share townreads, but you just got finished calling out oats for not giving his townreads? On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote: -Dandel told me that s0lstice was either a retard or a scum in 1 message -I replied to him that s0lstice was nice to me and that there was no reason to believe he was either retarded or scum. I also said that s0llstice actually was a good leader and unlike DI that just wanted to kill Kush "because" -Which DI answered to "it's not because, it's win/win (It clearly was not a joke like he claims now.) DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later: I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda. DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord. ______________________________________ 1) says the best scumhunter should be lord (Which I thought was s0lstice, I only knew DI from NWM) 1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom (this was after all pms) 2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places (imo yes) 2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him (I voted chrom in the end. I just wanted to run because out of 2 equals I should pick myself because chrom might be scum (even though Chrom looks just as good as s0lstice) 3) says he doesn't want to be lord (At first) 3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why (I fucking explained it 10 times) 4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol) 4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him. 4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any. 4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly 4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that. Point 4 and below is indeed a bit bad play on my part. But in my gut I just knew that those 2 weren't going to work together and that I should be able to run for Lord. ________________________________________________________ Maybe I took n0 not serious enough for DI. But I had enough bullshit from this guy, he is lying 24/7 and any normal person would descredit him for being Lord after the PMs he sent me. The only question I have is why not just say ok chrome can be lord, why put your name up after saying you didnt want to be lord? On August 10 2013 01:50 Koshi wrote: Everybody thinks Oats is town and tells me that with 2 lines of text. I gave up on Oats. If they havent given you a good reason why give up on it? That just doesnt make much sense. On August 10 2013 06:21 Koshi wrote: I have pushed Oats 3 times in this thread, and every time I get laughed at and everybody telling me that Oats is town because of meta. How can you say I half-heartedly pushed Oats? On top of that I can't lynch anybody and my Lord thinks I am scum. Obviously I am not as passionate about the lynch as I normally am. Who are you going to vote on? Because I would love you to go outside our House because I am not scum and s0lstice hasn't done anything scummy except vote for you... You are the only Lord that is actually trying to lynch his own servants. Kill FT, Oats, Kirby or johnnywup. They are all "active" but completely useless, and with Oats or johnnywup you have a good chance to hit scum. But you didnt push him that hard, and give me more reasons than they are completely useless. | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:13 Chromatically wrote: Onegu who's your number 1 lynch right now? Koshi | ||
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No but for reals why? Just because youare lords doesnt mean youshould keep us out of the loop | ||
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So what happens is someone you guys choose dies I hope you have a list of six and dont deviate from it. | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:35 FirmTofu wrote: 1) You are lynching me based on my activity. I have great potential to be useful in the coming days, whereas there are plenty of people in this town that will continue being useless. 2) Acro is a far better lynch today. I don't know where the votes stand right now, but Acro has been scummy all game. If I had to redirect my lynch to any one person, it'd be him. #1 My arguement as scum my first ever scum game, guys Im more likely to find scum, then you go and point out someone who has been active in part 2. | ||
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First hold the lords more accountable, they are PMing each other more than they are posting in the actual thread, this does a few things. First it doesnt let the rest of us get complete reads on them. When we dont know what is going on behind closed doors we cant make complete reads. I am fine with them PM each other about useing KP and HP checks but when all they are doing is comparing reads and makeing cases those things should be done in thread. A few examples of this, first raynes case on me has alot to do with my thoughts on the HP check, the only way he gets these details is through oberyn. Those details about my thoughts for the HP check were never posted in thread, so when one of the main reasons for me being scum was never posted in the thread something is wrong. SnB has just over one page of filter but admits to well over 100 PM, his reason for voteing me was because I didnt scum hunt when the pressure was taken off of me. If he readthe threadhe would know I went to the hospital. Also looking through raynes filter and his case on me it talks about me wanting to share the hp info with all. First this isnt true, my stance was the lord should share with only his biggest town read right before deadline as to not lose and waste the info. The only way rayne knows this would be through oberyn, but oberyn only mentions me once in his filter. Ok going down the player list Oats, I dont see much scummy play from him, what I see is about the same as the other games I have seen him play as town. DI, out of the interactions in his house I think he looks the least scummy, I didnt like his post about stop talking though. Sharr, lurks tunnels kush, then suggests houses split their shots up. No read. Iamp, house lord, hard to read for me, one thing though he says oberyn would be against a lynch on me. Xata, really like his posts, wouldnt mind him being a lord. Towny Oberyn, I have him as town for now but he needs to be more transparant in thread S0l, slightly scummy with what went on in house then a bunch of lurking, as I feel chrome is town it makes sol look worse Vivax, out of all the lurkers I think his posts have the most substance. Slightly townie Chrome, needs to post more in forum, town read, seems like he was almost forced into lordship Clarity, I felt he was town for a while, one of my PMs to oberyn was he was town when discussing what happened with SnB Gumshoe, lurker doesnt read or follow thread Yamato, even though we havent talked very much and he lurks alot in thread, some of his thoughts gave me town feel to him. Grack, lurker slifhtly scummy feeling, makes a post he is suspicious of jrkirby and it is hard to get a read off of our house because we dont talk to each other, how does he know we dont talk to each other much? Rayne, has tunneled me, but is the most active lord in thread which I actually find townie, I would like to know why he tunneled me since my first post though. Firm, dead Koshi, my biggest scum read, check my filter for case Johnny, lurks, talks about 3p alot, null Jrkirby, lurks alot, if I had to choose a scum read in our house would be him. SnB. Scum. Doesnt read the thread much but pms alot and gives very little info reguarding his reads. Also what went on in house with him and clarity seems like SnB had some plan going on with his claim and it was messed up. Nacho, lurker, null Acro, not sure what to make of him, will note firm was suspicious of him, he roleplays which makes it difficult to get a good read, another reason lords should be more open in thread so we can get a better read on acro. Kush, crazy lurker posting about policy lynch and other randomness kinda scummy Risen, some crazy reads, some I completely disagree with and some I agree with, slightly town This is my reads in case I was shot also my thoughts. | ||
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On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Why are you giving this info out? | ||
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On August 11 2013 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: you thought it was odd so I told you what was up. Shouldn't make a difference anyway Yeah letting scum know exactly how many KP to use doesnt make a a difference | ||
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On August 11 2013 14:42 Grackaroni wrote: to be fair if there's any scum in the lords they already knew that the kp direct at gumshoe had to be > 6 so hopefully it shouldn't cause too enormous of an impact. Or a protective role was on him, or he was immune to house kp, closed setup means no they couldnt be sure. | ||
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On August 11 2013 19:04 Xatalos wrote: I've never played with scum Onegu but you're right, that would be useful (although less than actually playing with him). I'll probably do that soonish. For now I mostly want to know the mystery player though. If he's scum, Onegu is also 100% clean. NMM XLII, NMM XLIII, and bluelightz are my scum games, NWM and NMM XLIV are town. Also can the Lords give me some thoughts on SnB his claim to have well over 100 PMs, but such a small filter with his vote and reason on me were so scummy. | ||
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On August 11 2013 21:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, could you stop roleplaying and just say "red check" if that's the case? Let me sum up the 5 pages of d2: The swill they have for wine in highgarden addles the brain I have heard from a Maester, you will have to excuse him. | ||
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On August 11 2013 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote: So why do you have to claim the red check. Why cant Sharrant claim it? If it is sharrant I thought it was smart on his part, make the house lord make the claim then you are protected from being night killed as cop, until someone says who the cop is in thread... | ||
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On August 12 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have definitely not tunneled you on D1. If you are saying that you do not know the term. Or did i tunnel Acrofales, FirmTofu aswell? And every other person i expressed suspicion on? You never got off of me. You loosened your suspicions on them at some point, for me you never did. I was always your main point. | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: First we started talking about Onegu (his suggestion of using the house HP check), i told Oberyn this: "Onegu´s suggestion is beyond stupid or scummy. Why should we give mafia information about how many HP people have, od D1, when there is not much to go with? Have you tried to ask his reasoning for that?" Oberyn agreed with me. Then he said he finds it weird Acrofales agrees with Onegu and wants to use the HP check on their own house because it´s important for the lords to know about the HP so they can direct KP accordingly. Then he said Acro is his biggest suspect at the moment and asked me to not share this with anyone yet so he could keep questioning him. Me: "Hmm.. Ask him (Acro) about his motives to use the HP check. I find that extremely anti-town thing to do at this point, at least if a scum!Lord uses it (as they get the information). Assuming mafia does not know how much HP people have they are in the same boat with us townies right now. there is no reason to push that information to be known right now as mafia is the holder of the KP besides us lords. It does not help town at all. Keep up messaging with Acro, and keep me informed. " Oberyn then told me that Acro had misunderstood the check as a single target check (i assume this means that you can pick one person - when in fact it´s a full house) and in that case Acro´s suggestion is not that scummy. First Acro had told Oberyn he thinks it should be used on D1 to find out about hp, which Oberyn thought was scummy, but then he had said it should be used to confirm lord kp, which was in Oberyn´s mind less scummy (i didin´t really get what that meant). Me: "Okay, if that´s true what you said about Acro it´s not a scumtell. I mean if he thought the check was not single. As k him how he can possibly think so (single target) when the OP clearly says otherwise. Pressure him on that. If he is mafia he might fuck up." And that´s the last time we have talked about Acrofales. See this is wrong and a misquote of what I actually wanted, I never said anything about shareing it, I said share it with your biggest townread and only right before the deadline incase you are killed so its not wasted, I also wanted to use it on a rival house offensively, not on our own house | ||
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On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote: Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? I wanted to point out this post, first how does he know we havent talked to jrkirby much, actually at this point in time I had actually started to PM more often than I had been, graken isnt a lord and we didnt say to much in post about our pms with jrkirby, it was yamato we hadnt talked to much. He also talks about blending in but thats not what jrkirby did he brought up points that werent being talked about. Jrkirby always looks scummy and is a very easy target for scum to pick up on and make it look like they are searching scum when they are just going after a weaker player. He then goes on with a bunch of short posts agreeing with random things and basicly dropping kirby. And stays talking about the DI s0l thing alot. Then once he sees a bandwagon starting he jumps on it saying I should be voted. And he goes back and forth on the gumshoe kill and what happened alot. I have a slight scum read on him. | ||
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On August 12 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote: honestly im waiting for more people to die before I get into this game. acro is my only scumread right now. 1- rolefishing? he pmed me this no idea what this even means lol 2-actually I cant even understand what he's saying because he is talking in flavor. like i can't understand what any of his posts mean at all... 3-i guess i dont have reasons lol Meaning did you roleblock xatalos? | ||
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On August 12 2013 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: And if town JK did claim and get´s nightkilled town!Oberyn (by your thought process) get´s lynched. Now how does that make sense? im going over scum oberyn, and why would scum oberyn claim. It doesnt make sense for scum oberyn to make this play | ||
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On August 12 2013 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, if town JK did claim, there is no reason to think Oberyn is suddenly more/less scummy than he was before. It has nothing to do with Oberyn and the JK dying does not necessarily mean he is mafia. What means is that he outed a blue, whatever alignment he is. Outing a blue with a fakeclaim. Only to have that person die would look really bad on him, and I am sure people would want his lynch, its to much risk for little reward as scum. | ||
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On August 12 2013 22:17 Acrofales wrote: Well, you're here saying he's loyal for the exact reasons that people would say he's loyal if all this happened. Nevertheless, it all seems entirely based on wifom. There is also still the third possibility that you are a Blackfyre and that's why a Blackfyre roleblocker never claimed: Oberyn's plan was hatched by a loyalist, but immediately compromised. Until we actually get some flips or further info, it all seems like pointless wifom, though. Yes I am going though motivation and what could have happened. If he is scum he doesnt gain much no matter how it played out. | ||
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On August 12 2013 22:36 Acrofales wrote: You're right on jrkirby. I have to say that I forgot he was even in the game. Koshi posted and seemed aware of what was happening. Ok just going off the top of my head. | ||
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On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote: Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time. | ||
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On August 13 2013 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: neither. i honestly believe this. for this game and future games we need to start plynching fake claimers so they stop doing it So should I be lynched also, why not actually scum hunt and try to win, once people figure out fakeclaiming is bad they will stop dont need to policy lynch them. | ||
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I sent this to jrkirby, I didnt expect him to figure anything out, but wanted to be safe if oberyn lied to thread. | ||
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On August 13 2013 02:18 Risen wrote: Really though my number one scum read right now is Rayn. ??? | ||
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Grack wrote this. In thread yamato says he hasnt sent many PMs out. Other than that and one line from oberyn about not haveing a good read on jrkirby. So Grack is makeing a read on the whole house based on one post to paint jrkirby scummy. Or he has info he shouldnt have. | ||
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On August 09 2013 06:48 johnnywup wrote: ok bookmark this post if you want House Tyrell: Kushm4sta johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales House Greyjoy raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Nachomamma8 Risen House Stark strongandbig Clarity_nl Oatsmaster Vivax House Lannister iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Gumshoe House Baratheon Chromatically Koshi S0lstice Dandel Ion House Martell Oberyn jrkirby yamato77 Onegu | ||
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On August 11 2013 22:31 Onegu wrote:I have been talking with yamato and some of his stances and thoughts on oberyn made me have a townie feeling on him. He said he was going to post a case on Acro but hasnt done it yet though. Ok so I had like 6-7 PMs with Yamato night 1 about oberyn and how he made himself have the last shot for lord KP and if the people who they wanted to shoot died before his turn he could shoot whoever he wanted, and also about the HP check and if he used it day 1 and just said he didnt use it and we continued to vote him lord we could never know if he used it or not. Yamato defended oberyn, and said he was happy with oberyn being lord. He could have said yeah we should switch lord and became lord himself but he didnt, and I thought that was town. | ||
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On August 14 2013 18:33 Koshi wrote: 1) Onegu did mocsta send this to you during the night? I got a feeling that he didn't. Nothing in his post suggest that btw Clarity. 2) Exactly because somebody would say that. "omg if he is scum he wouldn't put his top scumread on top because iamp will die." Clarity? What do you think of jrkirby his filter now that you see these 2 flips? I already posted that he sent it to me in the night. | ||
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I buy the sharrant claim for now. SnB needs to come back he made a few good posts but it was after he started getting heat, and now he has dissapeared again. Will filter dive a ew people after my kids sleep. | ||
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On August 14 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote: 1. Main thing sharrant still hasn't answered IMO is why he claimed to acro without worrying that he would get killed. He said he lied about his target in case acro was scum, so it can't be because he had such a strong town read on acro that he was willing to risk his whole blue role on it. 2. Vivax misstating the case against him. When I get to my computer I'll explain or maybe copy some pms I sent to clarity and oats. 3. Risen! Kill with fire. Just cause he had one food point on sharrant doesn't make him town, read my first case on him for the reasons why his filter makes him scum. @onegu fuck you how have I disappeared. It's been night phase when we were not allowed to post. Derplord. @vivax read the thread koshis argument is that when mocsta calls koshi scum for attacking jrkirby's filter, it's a scummy chainsaw defense because mocsta should be able to see how onjectively scummy jrkirby's filter looks regardless of what mocsta/jrkirby's actual alignment is. Grow up you were gone 8 pages before night post, and 8 pages since day post, you havent been around much. Also your overreaction to clairity passing your role name along. And your random vote on me for no reason day one made me feel scum on you. And you got active after people started tomcall you scum, sure it maybe random chance, but with everything else you are scummy to me. | ||
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On August 14 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Onegu, why did you got elected over Oberyn in your house? We had a discussion I asked if I could be lord, oberyn said sure, mocsta didnt really care as he had town reads on us both. | ||
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On August 14 2013 23:55 strongandbig wrote: the causal connection is that people started calling me scum after i left. obviously once i came back it was going to be after people started calling me scum. and we have like 50 page days, so i missed 8 pages, boo hoo. 16 pages. | ||
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On August 15 2013 00:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Did everybody claim who they shot yet? I PM'd chrom about it but yet no answer (he also hasnt posted so hes afk i guess) and i dunno if everybody else said so yet Oberyn told me he shot kush. I think that is who all/most lords shot. | ||
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Has your reads in your house changed or still town on DI and Chrome scum on Koshi? | ||
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On August 15 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: I'll always be here for you babe. Onegu fake claimed Still want an explanation for this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. Why? Just pointing out policy lynching is dumb and if fake claiming is really bad people will stop eventually. I believe there is a time and a place for fake claims, some are stupid and some arent, wanting to policy lynch formthem is stupid. | ||
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On August 15 2013 05:04 Koshi wrote: SnB. Same question that I asked you a million times in Sicilian. Who else than you? You always just defend yourself and don't do anything else. In Sicilian you were blaming Vivax his tunnel on you. This time you are going to use the fact that you and Yamato can't be on the same scumteam... You flipped scum in Sicilian and all my townreads are on your ass atm. If I would have a vote I would vote you in an instant. Ok so how is the post not uber scummy and no one calls him out on it. He gives no reads, adds nothing new to the arguement, but happy with the lynch because his townreads are voteing SnB? I am going to look at his NWM filter now as he was scum that game, but for now Imstick with my stance that he is scum. I have a better feeling on acro now he has dropped the roleplaying, he seem much more town now. I also like chromes post on the sharrant claim amd I agree with his point as that is the most likely option. I am null on rayne for now, I think there are better lynch options than him for now, since he hasnt been lord I feel his play has suffered though. Looking through vivax now, I remember I thought he was town day 1. I would like people to make a case on me that isnt raynes case, I am getting alot of I am scum messages in PMs but not alot of reasons why. Out of tue lords I have spoken with I am getting heavy town feelings from clarity, xata, chrome ans s0L. I was baseing alot of my mocsta read off of my jrkirby read and the fact he has been open in PMs. That being said he needs to be more active in thread, I guess I need to also. | ||
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On August 15 2013 18:17 Xatalos wrote: Okay. Mocsta is looking pretty good recently. No idea how jrkirby played so scummy then, but maybe he is town. Vivax and snb are my top picks at the moment as well. Although I disagree about Koshi and slightly disagree about grackaroni. Its Jrkirbys town meta. Im at the mall sorry if it takes me a moment to respond. | ||
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Me protecting myself with the fake claims. A xata, B oberyn, C me | ||
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On August 15 2013 22:56 Acrofales wrote: I had almost forgotten you are in this game. Who is scum? 2 pages ago I made a list, also I am lord so have been working cordinateing these things. | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:05 Koshi wrote: Onegu tunneling me since Day 1 also never gets old. "omg you asked SnB about other scumtargets" MUST BE SCUM! OMG thats not all, and your post oh SnB getting voted is scummy as hell also. And good to know you will have mocsta as scum firever. | ||
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On August 15 2013 23:28 Koshi wrote: Because? I just demolished your 3 lines of "why this post is supper scummy". So please. Was it the caps? Only the caps? No because of raynes rolecop check. | ||
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On August 16 2013 01:32 Xatalos wrote: snb, Risen, johnnywup, Mocsta and Sharrant while you're at it. Rayne, clarity, Xata, Grack, and myself after those. | ||
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On August 16 2013 04:28 Dandel Ion wrote: oh btw i almost forgot wtf is an empowerer? It was a joke | ||
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On August 16 2013 13:44 kushm4sta wrote: SO CAN ANY LORD SHOOT ME OR JUST MY LORD SHARRANT? Any lord can, once your HP is zero you are dead. At least I hope there arent others in the game... | ||
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On August 16 2013 13:45 Grackaroni wrote: I would like to be lord for a cycle. Don't really know what you are rambling about I could just vote for myself You have to have majority or there isnt a lord. | ||
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On August 16 2013 13:53 kushm4sta wrote: balls im dead then. What did you tell sharrant to make him have a town read on you? | ||
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On August 17 2013 14:24 johnnywup wrote: so i'm still alive. And...no one died tonight? (barring kush's death from lord KP). what's up with that? speaking of kush's death, where did the lord KP go after he died? to me? Yes kp went to you after kush death | ||
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On August 17 2013 15:45 Sharrant wrote: I'm considering him confirmed scum. This is why: Mocsta should have immediately asked me who I told I was checking him. He knows it's a PM game. He knows I revealed my first check to someone. If he were town he'd know that at this point it seems that the only reason he could possibly show up red is to be framed. So his first instinct should either be to deny the check (if he doesn't believe I'm town, but he says he does) or it should be to try and find out who could know so we could figure out if the framer guessed right, or knew the target before hand. Or he thought he was miller, which is what I think he is a terrible target for frame, and even if you tell someone you lied about who you were going to check last time so whats it matter who you told this time as they cant believe who you said you would check. | ||
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On August 17 2013 16:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you think a town roleblocker roleblocked Xatalos or Clarity N1. Why is that? Clarity, as some people had scum reads on him day one from the whole SnB role name claim thing. Why are you asking me this, it isnt relevant much and progresses the game no where | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:50 FirmTofu wrote: Town Clarity is someone who has a very confident Day 1. He pressures people, attacks with authority, and backs off only when he is confident that the player he is attacking is not scum. Clarity displayed NONE of that during day 1. Clarity played rather passive and although he was relatively active, his accusations were a lot less characteristic of his town play. Well FT posted this right before his mislynch after his flip maybe people looked at that, SnB still had a scum read on him iirc. If you really want me to Ill look more but I dont think looking for town RB is something that needs to be done right now as again it isnt relevant. | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Firmtofu is dead. SnB had a scumread on Clarity. You think there is a town roleblocker who blocked Clarity on N1, and you on N2. Now, why did you vote for the guy who was most likely to be the town roleblocker in your mind on D3? I know why. Because scum! Wow are you serious? You asked me who had scum reads on clarity, I never once said I think one of those two are town RB, there is no reason for me to try to find town RB, I was just point out a few people had scum reads on clarity so it is likely others had a scum read on him also. | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:39 Clarity_nl wrote: I can see why it makes 0 sense to you. You seem to have drawn a connection that the only people who might have had a scumread on me d1/n1 are the people who pushed me in thread. PS snb called me town near the end of day 1 Sorry I wasnt looking to hard for people who called you scum as I thought it wasnt relevant, just remember he called you scum day one, wasnt sure when he stopped. | ||
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On August 17 2013 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, that's Onegu's thought process as he said so!!! I am pointing out why his logic makes zero sense. Wtf do you want, some people called clarity day one scum, some people didnt even mention him, town rb doesnt have to bring up in thread he has a scum read on someone to rb them. SnB called him scum day one, I didnt look to hard to see when he stopped, thats why I wrote iirc... | ||
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On August 17 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please do not insult me personally, there is no reason to do so. Did you think you were roleblocked or jailed? What does it matter if it was JK or RB. And I went backed and looked to get FT post then went with one other person I knew had a scum read day one, I didnt say those are the only ones that had a scum read on him, I just didnt feel like looking for more, I just wanted to show you some people had scum reads on him. | ||
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On August 17 2013 20:35 Xatalos wrote: It's a LOT better than what yamato or Vivax did under pressure. Or even snb IMO. But there's jrkirby's play to consider as well as the fact that 90+% chance, one of you or Sharrant is scum. Do you think Sharrant is scum? Onegu, why did you think jrkirby was town by the way? Mostly meta I have played 4 games with him and he was town in everyone, but he played the same exact way and was mislynched in every single one. He was also slightly more open in PMs than the thread. | ||
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On August 17 2013 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because mafia is more careful about posting in thread under silent nights, and i think SnB would have not done that if he was mafia. Then why am I mafia?, see night 2 | ||
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On August 17 2013 23:08 Xatalos wrote: rayn, who do you propose outside of snb/Mocsta/johnnywup? Mocsta and johnnywup are half-dead so no point in lynching them. Really you have to ask him? You not been following? Also I shared info I had how come I dont get to bee a seal? Second risen was pushing a sharrant lynch hard in thread and thats who he wanted dead in PMs also. | ||
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On August 17 2013 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not think you and Clarity are mafia, because apparently i have too high expectations of how people play this game. Last time i checked i called SnB town. Why do you ask me and not Xatalos who just softly proposed half of the living players as lynch targets instead of the red check guy? Ok sorry didnt realize you were off me just clarity, and misread the SnB thing. | ||
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On August 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote: ahh k this makes sense just as an aside, not at all related to our alignments, do you think this game should be declared a draw? Yes most likely draw, but I really enjoyed this game. | ||
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On August 08 2013 17:10 Grackaroni wrote: That was late lol, with your who voted for Oberyn?? post I was under the impression you guys didn't put much effort into your election. What gave you this impression, because it wasnt true between me and oberyn or kirby. Only me and Yamato didnt talk much the first night. On August 09 2013 10:58 Grackaroni wrote: Piece of Shit reporting for dut I will read through the thread and and get some reads sometime tonight. it might not be for hours, not making any promises. You may be around but I don't think you have done anything, unless you have been particularly busy in PM's. I believe that your involvement in pm's dropped quite significantly as well after you got elected, at least from my perspective and xata seemed less sure of you late in the night as well. Do some scumhunting or at least build a case on me, calling out lurkers is useless and that's the most I've seen from you. @All lords, I would like to know how frequently Iamperfection has been PMing you and any impressions you have gotten from those PM's Here he calls out iamp for pressureing lurkers. On day one. Iamp called him out for lurking and his response isnt to come back and scum hunt, it is to attack back. This is a scum reaction not town. Then see at the end he asks for reactions from the lords without giving good impressions himself from his own PMs. On August 09 2013 18:00 Grackaroni wrote: Finally read the thread, I am most suspicious of Jrkirby. First off Nobody in House Martell has gotten a good read off of him because nobody in House Martell really talked to each. The best contribution in thread he made was calling out S0lstice for not electing his town read and naming 2 people town who the majority of town has already agreed were town. After that he started making posts such This is a post that I would be ok with if it was in the start of the game, but he chose to talk about this during a time when scumhunting was actually taking place and he could actually participate in conversation. Choosing to talk about setup rather than scumhunting and he has already disappeared without really pressuring or conversing with anybody Everyone else has seemed engaged in the current conversations and actively scumhunting and these posts just didn't fit in with what I think a townie would be posting about during the time of the thread. He seems like he is more interested in blending into town than scumhunting. There was an exchange between Oats and Yamato at the start of the game that rubbed me the wrong way. It was so disruptive and anti-town, that I have trouble believing that it came from 2 town players. It didn't seem normal to me and I even got a little bit of a staged feeling (as in they could be both scum randomly attacking each other at the start of the game). I think remember someone claiming they were probably town for being aggressive but some scum are more comfortable getting in arguments with people to help buff up their post count and mask their lack of contributions. @Xata/Clarity/anyone awake. Is there anybody you would like me to comment on before i go to bed? Ok I have gone over this before, either he is making a very large leap in logic form 1-2 post about oberyn and jrkirby talking about yamato. Or he is in scum QT with yamamto and because our house didnt talk to yamato much he thinks our entire house isnt PMing each other. Look I dont mind him going after jrkirby as he hasnt played with him before, but he is going after the easiest target to geta mislynch. Then a small little tidbit about ots and yamato that means very little. And he already knows what is going on in thread as he mentions the oats yamato thing, so why does he ask who to look at? Why not look at yamato or oats sinch you said both cant be town. On August 09 2013 18:15 Grackaroni wrote: ok 15 minutes past and nobody read my post. cya tomorrow guys Ahhh so sad T_T On August 10 2013 05:32 Grackaroni wrote: I don't really understand why my post is more scummy than others, I wanted to start discussing people and the only way we could do that is if I started talking about who was in my house and my perceptions of them. If we just continued talking about if we should reveal houses all game we would be nowhere right now. And that's what other first posts were concerned about. Here he defends his first post which is fine, but his very first line. Why even say that? Just defend your post if you are going to say that give examples of someone elses first post being more scummy than yours. On August 10 2013 05:47 Grackaroni wrote: It just seems odd to me that you choose my first post, which I thought was more pro-town and working towards starting building reads than other first posts, as reason for me to be scum. My first post is totes pro town leave me alone guys. On August 10 2013 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: Onegu lynch looks good to me, he was really eager for the game to start pregame and since then all he has done is pop in and comment on little pieces of information without probing alignments or looking for scum. Happy to jump on my lynch with very little justification and no specific reasons or anything new to add. On August 11 2013 14:24 Grackaroni wrote: We used our check on our own house before the end of the night and Me/Iamp/Xatalos all had 7 hp. Gumshoe had 1, so every lord did shoot him but why wouldn't they since he was town... Wait didnt we find out not every lord shot him? On August 11 2013 15:46 Grackaroni wrote: Actually now that I think about it, it's the exact opposite of that. Mafia have no kills most likely because they spread out their kp towards too many targets and didn't expect us to have 7 hp. So if the people such as myself who knew of the hp check were mafia there would be dead townies today aside from Gumshoe. No this isnt actully true mafia has spread out thier KP again, so you are saying is wrong, and mafia having your info helps them and lets them make thier shots correctly anyway. And because he died that night where they couldnt be certain he was at one hp without the check makes me believe they wouldnt have shot him without your info. On August 11 2013 17:33 Grackaroni wrote: Gumshoe has not pm'd anybody all night and did nothing since n0 besides the last minute unnecessary vote in thread to avoid mod-kill. I don't think he sent a lord vote. Every lord KP was aimed at Gumshoe. The second one lord revealed that in the thread people would not leave him for house kp shots a 2nd night, he would become the automatic lynch target and it would be a lynch and a days worth of discussion gone. In a setup with 24 players I would assume there is enough kp in scum hands to be able to kill at least 2 players per night. Logical Conclusion, No person in this house is scum : iamperfection Xatalos Grackaroni Scum should have been able to have killed a townie besides gumshoe otherwise and must have spread their kp too thin trying for more kill because they were unaware of how much hp a townie had. I dont understand the first part, did a lord say that? They couldnt have because it was night, unless a lord told scum in PM. But what you are saying makes little sense. Second part how is that in anyway a logical conclusion? On August 11 2013 17:48 Grackaroni wrote: I believe that there are townies besides lords with kp, one of them shot gumshoe because his only contributions to the thread were these 2 posts : Why do you automatically assume it was mafia that killed him? From my POV I know that I'm town, and xatalos and iamperfection have both been very pro-town in thread. So my explanation is much more logical to me. How do you get to this conclusion? Most likely scum figured out it would only take a one kp to off him and since they were all ready spreading out kp he was a easy shot for free town kill. On August 11 2013 18:22 Grackaroni wrote: that's 1 hp town would be forced to use the subsequent night to get rid of him. I was not going to be made lord with or without gumshoe, and gumshoe is the only person who would possibly have voted for me due to his lack of posts. (Realize I post only in defense of myself because were are both in agreement that xata/iamp are both likely town) Also I would like to believe that if I was secretly passing on this information to scum, I would realize that our house's hp should not be something that I would want scum to get their hands on. Again trying to show scum didnt take the shot, but he is off here as its not 100% lords would finish him off, he could have come back shown himself uber pro town and lords not finish him, scum didnt want to take that chance and just get the almost free townie kill. On August 13 2013 05:46 Grackaroni wrote: I really just look at everything that goes into the thread and makes assumptions from there, maybe not the best assumption with yamato being scum but still not a bad one. (besides Onegu has confirmed that I was right.) At the time I also think I believed they only elected Oberyn because of lore. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. -oberyn With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you -Onegu For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. -Yamato A lot of time being wasted on this supposed scum slip. I want clarification on this. You are saying fake claiming is bad but you didn't dissuade Oberyn from fakeclaiming and in fact went out of your way to fake claim yourself. If you truly believe this why did you fake claim? Again you either useing a few posts to jump to the conclusion or you were talking to yamato. On August 16 2013 09:59 Grackaroni wrote: I pushed you while I was reading the thread, I skimmed your filter and saw no real thought process and lots of useless spam, and added with Iamp's read on you decided you were someone who had a good chance of flipping scum. Basicly you soft push him with laziness and ask other peoples opinions on him. Not some strong scum hunting. On August 16 2013 10:57 Grackaroni wrote: DI is not going to post any thought process for why I am scum, and frankly I don't think he has any. If Vivax does not flip red I will do everything in my power to see him lynched tomorrow. What happened to this, I know we had the red check, but after that. And you are a lord. On August 18 2013 07:00 Grackaroni wrote: Shits going down. I'm content to lynch Johnnywup since we won't even get him in lord shots tonight and he has the best chance of anyone to flip scum. I did use my pm's, I talked a whole bunch with Mocsta to try to get a better read on him because I wasn't confident he would flip scum when everybody else was throwing him to the wolves. I also talked a bit to Rayn and he seemed to be genuinely convinced Mocsta was scum so I don't think he is the best lynch for today, ##Vote: Johnnywup Yeah this is really bad, you trying to get town cred? Yoir last few posts were all how scummy mocsta was even without the red check, you were throwing him to the wolves in thread. And depending how close we are to lylo we are and only scum has this info, it is perfectly reasonable for scum to be pushimg a lynch strongly. So all of this, plus he comes in at the best times to make him look good, he doesnt post to much but he almost always had a good read on the thread like he is lurking a ton or just getting tldr from scum qt. Lynch him, try to shoot johnny. 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On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote: Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything? Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching. His first post, the first post with house members. Not really hard to miss | ||
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On August 19 2013 02:43 Risen wrote: Fuck no. Best lynch today is Sharrant. Are you kidding me? Things that still hold true in spite of my massive wrongness 1) Cop-claim asks for advice from unknown on who to check. 2) Cop-claim gets red check on scummy target who the thread is already leaning towards lynching. 3) Cop-claim lives to d4. 4) COP-CLAIM WHO CLAIMED ONE SHOT COP GETS RED CHECK ON NOW CONFIRMED GREEN TARGET. IS THIS FOR REAL. So we have a cop not playing like a cop should followed by a lie in his claim followed by a red check on a green target when there's no way someone frames mocsta and IT IS DAY 4 WITH A MEDIC DEAD AND A SCUM TEAM NOT KILLING HIM. How is this just occuring to me rofl. So bad. But sometimes right. That should be my motto. 1) Asks so he can get read on person he asks depending on who they say. 2) not for sure we were lynching him that day 3) n1 spread shots out shot not on shar, n2 finish n1 targets off RB shar, n3 put shots on shar but not enough to kill. Most likely what happened 4) mocsta was framed | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Which could be either sharrant being scum or mocsta being framed. If there is a scum framer mocsta was the most likely target. You're talking in circles. How do you feel about an onegu lynch? Jeez why would I make the grack case as scum? And you made a incorrect statement I showed you were wrong. Besides grack is scum, and the first point is more about him throwing shit back at the person who called him out instead of just scum hunting, and ignoreing the person who hadnt done much. | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah you're right, scum don't ever make cases, my mistake. Good argument. Im saying why put myself out there. If I am scum I say little become a lord and win the game. There are so many lurkers now I could just blend into the crowd and use the power I will get d5. | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sharrant said on D3 end his scumreads were Koshi and SnB. Now if Sharrant is town and scum have a framer why the fuck would they frame Mocsta over Koshi/SnB? You are not even reading the posts you are arguing about and somehow you get to say "fuck you" to me. Now again, why do you think Mocsta was the most likely frame target? I have explained this also when I defended mocsta, it doesnt matter what shar has wrote or told people in PMs he actively tries to decieve scum into thinking who he will check and then checking another read of his. So you have to guess who he will check based on town sentiment and logical scum reads | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interesting. So if you are scum and become a lord on D5 you "just win the game". How is that? Because I am fairly sure scum are setting this up so they can all be lords on d5 have majority get the lynch, lords kp and scum kp. That should be close to enough for a win.... | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:35 Koshi wrote: LooooooooL Koshi: Made a case vs Risen SnB: Made a case vs Johnny Grack: Voting for Johnny Rayn: Voting for Johnny So it seems like scum controls the vote in Onegu his mind and decided to lynch his other scumtarget. Or scum is not controling the vote but Grack and SnB are bussing Johnny. Nothing is set in stone with votes yet. And I am leaning less likely on SnB being scum now. So its more likely rayn, and lo and behold he just changed his vote, lets see if grack does the same. | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who exactly is setting this up? I didn't see Clarity in your reads list as mafia. As far as i know he is willing to lynch you. Can you explain your thought process of what's going on here and and who is setting up what? If scum can get 3/6 houses they should be able to force a mislynch. Then have 3 more kp to use from lords. But anyway Im guessing NK will be me, shar, and I will have to look at houses to see the third but, me and shar for sure | ||
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On August 19 2013 03:43 Koshi wrote: 1) SnB needs Clarity dead (Clarity confirmed damage) 2) Grack needs Xatalos dead 3) Rayn needs Risen dead 4) Onegu 5) Baratheon can't be touched by Koshi 6) Acro / Sharrant /johnnywup (Sharrant was shot but Acro still full) This doesn't make sense Onegu. Unless you are scum in that list and I am not. Because I can't get to House Baratheon and Acro+Sharrant can't be killed in Tyrell. Also Sharrant taking damage makes no sense because both Risen and Xatalos will not die. So. Unless Onegu is scum, scum can't take the win. I am going to go with the Risen theory and lynch Onegu! Thats why I said if I was scum. But Im not. But when mocsta assholed out, I lost passion for this game. So go ahead and kill me. Btw s0L is confirmed town, dont lynch him. | ||
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Rayne Koshi Grack Last one not 100% Johnny or risen. Look how fast this wagon jumpped on me. Anyone who has looked at me or chatted with me in PMs knows Im town. Oberyn was 100% sure, Mocsta was 100% sure, and this doesnt match my scum meta at all. If it takes my lynch to confirm those are scum than so be it. Sorry I tunneled you SnB I think you are town now. When I flip dont let anyof the people on my list be lord or you will lose as only 5 houses then. | ||
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On August 19 2013 04:49 Sharrant wrote: I have to be shot tonight, there's no alternatives. Lynching me is just plain stupid, but I put us in a bad position by telegraphing my target too much. I shouldn't have publicly stated that I have trouble reading Mocsta. When I'm happy with my reads I will post them all later tonight, but I think they need fine tuning as I think I'm off by at least one person. Don't waste the lynch on me, but I do need to die. I'm far too easy of a mislynch at this point, and scum will very likely not shoot me tonight because of the confusion today. According to DI I've been shot before, so hopefully it shouldn't be too hard to kill me. When we get closer to the actual planning of my death, hopefully DI will reveal my HP (or hopefully he's already stated it to a trusted lord) and we can coordinate my death properly. My only concern is that I'm unsure at what stage in the game we're in. I think we can afford for me to die if we elect a majority of townies during the night, and they lynch well. It's possible I'm wrong, and we may need to get rid of a mafia member before I can be safely killed. Risen, I'm seriously concerned at how quickly you turned on me. I get that you're in full conspiracy mode, but you're my strongest town read right now. I need you to remain focused. Your apology in PM's and your explanation of why cemented you as town. Pretend I don't even exist right now, or use me to reflect your thoughts here, who do you want to lynch? They already have shots on you they want the kills, there are so many lurkers and what not you arent the only easy mislynch. You get shot tonight imo. | ||
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On August 20 2013 14:50 DrParnassus wrote: Things that went wrong for town: -House checks. Town didn't seem to put mch thought into what should be done with them. Ideally they should have all been burnt D1 by townies who keep the results to themselves. They could also be used sorta like a watcher role to try and get a fix on who might be soaking up scum kp. Either of these options would have greatly benefited town -House kp. Town had a lot of kp this game, and a lot of potential kp. In theory a town that plays perfectly would have had 2 lynches and 20kp during the first two cycles. Ideally all of this kp could have been burnt on mafia, but nearly all the town kp went towards other townies. -Fake claims. For each of the fake claims I could see what ends were trying to be reached, but none of those ends were reached and town wasted a lot of time in the thread due to those plans never coming to fruition. -Lord elections. 3 scum members got elected during night 0! This was SO huge for the mafia team. They had control of half the vote D1, they gained 3 KP plus access to hp checks, which is information that scum desperately needed. -INFORMATION. Scum knew how town would be spending about 100% of its kp. Scum learned the identities of 2 town power roles, and even had a hand in directing blue actions. Scum didn't have HP information until it leaked. Scum figure all of this out through pms and it played a huge role in their victory. -Modkills. Yep. Please follow rules. Going by the rules in the OP, I could have modkilled like half of town by night 2. a lot more is coming later, I just want to get these thoughts out while they're fresh. tldr = town should have spent way more time thinking about exactly who to trust with what information and how to best make use of the house actions I was crushed for wanting to use the HP check day 1 lol | ||
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On August 20 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote: what did you guys think of the setup? was it fun to play? too complicated? too weird? from reading the scum qt it seemed like some people REALLY got into the pm part of the game, and some almost ignored it entirely. what were your experiences? I really enjoyed it, I was more active in PMs than I was in the thread. Wouldnt mind a part 2. | ||
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On August 20 2013 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think the setup was fun. Scum were like "wtf" in the beginning when we had 11 factional KP (that would remain regardless of how many scum were alive) and people would not die on N1. :D The Lord mechanic is interesting mechanic and mafia needs to be active to gain power in town. I think we succeeded well in that, at least me & Acro. yamato should have played more fearlessly and would definitely survived longer if he had just taken a leader position in his house and directed the game in his way by being a lord on D1. I had ~200 PM's with people, and FirmTofu & nachodude & Ace compared sent me around 5 Pm's. ^^ Some other thoughts: I feel sorry for Mocsta & johnnywup. It was really easy to discredit you guys. johnnywup because he responded to attacks on him by getting overly defensive and because he really didn't do much. Sorry if this left some bad feelings for you, nothing personal, it's just a game. :/ Mocsta was obviously clueless at the beginning because of replacing and i just thought "well, you're gonna get lynched before you figure this shit out". Do you guys seriously not bluehunt as town? I am kinda amazed, because i always do that as town. The town roleblocker rant i had with Clarity / Xatalos would have really screwed me over if i was town because tbh i would have done the same thing if i was town, and i felt like that was the most pro-town action i did during the whole game. In fact i think that was the closest thing to "advanced scumhunting" there was in thread the whole game. I didn't like vivax throwing the game like he did. He could have probably survived just by posting something, fuck anything. SnB's defense was not the best one. Mafia needed to throw shit at many places to keep town distrusting others and we succeeded in that. If anyone had PM'd with Risen much they would have realized he was town pretty easily. He was very open in PM's and was willing to back off from bad reads when talked about them. Also his first reads post was pretty clearly town. Who the hell goes 100% against the thread sentiment in their first real post in the game with that big of a post. There was clearly much thought in it, he was just at the wrong track. Apparently none of the lords really discussed his reads with him on D2 and D3? Another thing regarding that is that in this setup town needed to have a good atmosphere in their house. I do not know how other houses succeeded. If i was town i would have let Risen be the lord on D2 and on D3 aswell. There is no reason to battle out with your town reads. You just need to get everyone to consolidate on a towniest read in your house, PM much with each other and work from there. See who is trying to distract the house thought process (as mafia needs to do that). Koshi was nearly caught on N0 by Dandel because of that (i assume). Good thing is townies did turn it against the whole house somehow. :D All in all the game was funny. I would have loved to see Ace not get modkilled, i wanted to see if i can deal with him or not. ^^ Our house did that well I had about 60pms with oberyn, and 50 or so with mocsta, kirby was gone and yamato didnt talk much | ||
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