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Whatever happened last numbered game has dick all to do with what will happen this game. Except for the fact that people seem to not want to repeat a crappy game, and so this should be way better. | ||
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On November 14 2013 00:36 marvellosity wrote: Screw that. I reserve the right to out if certain people join this game.no-one's outing because of anyone. I firmly believe that the dead should stay dead, not return to life in order to play mafia. If your game fills up with previously-dead folks, I am 100% outing. | ||
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Even if we get moving today, that puts ~ half of the first day on the weekend, and spills over into Friday night, which 9/10 dentists agree if the most weekend-y part of the week. Again, I'll do what I can, but be relatively inactive. So...I guess that's not much different than most D1s. | ||
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rayn (1) Are you town? (2) Please unpack this statement: On November 15 2013 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: What, in particular, did you not like about that post? Does the rest of sharrant's filter do anything for you?Yo Pandain i like that you didn't like Sharrant. Dat post you brought up was pretty bad. risen (1) Honest question, you believe this entirely or is it half for poops and giggles? On November 15 2013 10:23 Risen wrote: I'm pretty clearly not anything alignment-wise. So why say this? It's a continuation of a list post? Cool. In that case... Read as: soft pushing a VE who has an open town read on me in thread. Rayn knows he can't come out with a town read on me because I would pounce on him. From rayn's PoV what do you do with a town Risen prone to jumping on those who support him? Try and direct his attention to the person in the thread who has called him town without actually being the one pointing the finger. TL;DR: Lynch rayn. VE is null because my ego says he's town. I like being nominated for things and I'm still salty no one thought to nominate me for my dominant play in World Heavyweight Championship. (2) Beyond that, plox to tell me about Hiro's followup plan: + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch: *We kill off a pro scum role. *It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging. Sharrant (1) Please unpack this statement: On November 15 2013 09:17 Sharrant wrote: Specifically what thoughts do you see, and what do you like about them. I don't care about VE wanting to lynch hiro here, just your thoughts on hiro's thoughts, and on hiro's plan.I actually kind of like the thought going into the plan. How serious are you about wanting to lynch him? (2) What do you think about Hiro's followup, voting such that the D1 mayoral lynch would be 2nd in votes, would get the pardoner role, and would get whacked? | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:18 Risen wrote: I'll come back to (2) later maybe.1) All gut feeling. Not a very logical read. Has some basis in the potential for a scum rayn to think like that, but honestly it's just gut. Still think he should be lynched, my gut is usually right. 2) I honestly don't know. I don't even know what hiro is talking about. I don't love the answer on rayn. You essentially grabbed one small post of his, called him scum for it, claimed to support anyone who wanted to lynch him. But you grabbed it because it "had some basis in the potential for a scum rayn to think like that"? I can see calling it just a gut read, but usually you can at least explain something about WHY your gut thought something. The timing, the smiley, something out of place. This reads like it was maybe a thing scum rayn could do, therefore he's scum, without exploring anything else. It's k, we're gonna keep chatting later in the cycle. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: It's a thing that a couple people of interest to me poked at, and I want to tease out their poking. Sharrant is a name that keeps popping out. Can someone walk me through what the problem is. Iirc he has made one post. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:29 yamato77 wrote: What claim? If you mean the cop buddies post, that was pregame, and referring to him and koshi being cops in whatevermabob mafia.I was joking, I actually think VE is town. The smiley was a sarcastic one. On another note, did hiro ever answer me about why he softclaimed? If not, he's mafia. | ||
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I will say that, assuming a non-infinite amount of rock-lifting power, Hiro is not a rock I'm interested in looking under today. | ||
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The games that I have played with sharrant, he was NKed in 2 (Dr. Who/Liquid City) and lynched, as mafia, in the third (Boardwalk Empire). I have not seen him be lynchbait. I was mafia in one of the two he was NKed in, and do not particularly remember him being lynchbait. I also do not remember him being particularly in the lynch discussion in Liquid City, the other game in which I played and he was NKed. There may be a number of games in which he has been mislynched, but I have not been a part of them, and in generally I have not seem him be on the chopping block as a townie. HI VE! LET'S BOTH BE TOWN AND WIN THIS GAME AGAIN KKKK? | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:43 yamato77 wrote: I think so, but am not entirely sure atm. I generally think of myself as someone able to show that he's townie early, to assuage any doubts, and I'm usually decent at the game. I feel like I'd make a good mayor.Are you going to run for mayor? If not, who would you elect? Right now, my focus is on getting a handle on a couple people in the game, solidifying D1 reads on them, and then moving towards a good lynch target. If I were to elect someone RIGHT NOW, it would actually be hiropro I think. I'm not going to vote for a person on the basis of their scumread right now, it's way too early in the game for that. So I'd have to vote one of my strongest townreads, and just trust that I can identify a townie to whom I can give a vest and bonus vote, currently looking at Hiro or Holy I think? | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Ezpz.Wgere did mocsta go. Also how the fuck is Hiro your top townread Austin.. On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote: Could be interpreted as pro-town, could be trolly.My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™: step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^ step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler + Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1. + Show Spoiler + *I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan. ##Vote: hiro protagonist He gets poked about his post. On November 15 2013 09:21 hiro protagonist wrote: Yeah, like my plan. I think its a good one and I would like everyone's opinion on it. VE, despite you thinking I am Prp, and there for scum, what do you think of the plan? His response is meh, not overwhelmingly townie. BUT. BUT BUT BUT On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote: This post is good. This is a legitimate point, and something I also want people to talk about (see questions to risen/sharrant).Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch: *We kill off a pro scum role. *It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging. Plan + meh + good followup to plan before leaving = townie to me. It shows me that, while he's not super actively involved in side discussion or reads, he's thinking about how to use the setup to town's advantage. Nobody else has done this to the same extent as hiro. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:52 VisceraEyes wrote: VE, you might get my vote.You don't have the power to do that even if you did. All I'm asking for is one measly little vote. Except, that's a later consideration. Thinking I might run myself. Or maybe I decide later that your full name is Visceraeyes Scumberto McScumlichnaya. Which is a VERY scummy name, btw. | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:55 yamato77 wrote: I think that you CAN categorize hiro's posts as drivel, without really reaching.Even if I misinterpreted hiro's singular post, the rest of his filter is still drivel and I think he fits nicely in the category of useless players posting nonsense when there's reads to discuss. But I think if you look at...the progression of what you see as drivel, the trail of drivel, ze pattern into which his drivel is crystallized, it looks townie. His following up on a thought process, and one that is likely town, is townie in and of itself. Agree/disagree? Agree/disagree not in relation to hiro? Like...I will firmly argue that you can read a progression of posts and a train of thought as townie even if the individual posts don't amount to much. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:01 Oatsmaster wrote: See question 2 to risen and question 2 to sharrant - + Show Spoiler +I get totally different conclusions than you from his filter Austin. First post was a joke and probably something pregame. So thats null. Next post null. Last post, what happens if scum get shennined into the mayor because scum fucks up? I dunno about you, but I do not feel comfortable with giving scum a scum favored role. Its much better to just get the top 2 townies into those 2 roles. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=571&topic_id=434275 I think the thought process is particularly townie. I don't think it's a magical super duper mega can't ever fail town plan. But it smells townie, and I wanted to poke at specific people to see what they thought about---whether they identified holes or not. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:03 Holyflare wrote: I don't find him townie for having a train of thought.That's the problem with what you are saying though. A train of thought is a human trait not a town/scum one. Just because he sticks to something and elaborates does not make him the towniest in the thread by a long shot. I find him townie for his specific train of thought and the way it progressed. Also, we're talking about my read here. What he's done DOES make him the towniest in the thread to me. Promise. I am, in fact, not just lying about my reads for no reason. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote: It's not a magical new thing, but a specific person suggested it and did so in a certain way. I found that way townie. Still do. Still will.Btw austin, its been suggested in the 2 mayor games Ive played so far, i assume its not a new thing. Anyway, its not that bad for scum if a townie gets the pardorner and then gets lynched. Its way worse if a townie gets pardoner and is totally town and will never get lynched. | ||
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Risen, given all this other discussion on the matter now, I'm still interested in what scumrisen does assuming that town chooses a mayor who clearly articulates his D1 lynch, and chooses to make the mayor's D1 lynch 2nd in votes, so as to off the pardoner. | ||
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On November 15 2013 13:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Zees is why I ask him ze questions. We're in agreement here. I have a tentative read, but want to shore it up slightly.Austin I want to see sharrant post more before I make a judgement on him. | ||
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Let us play a game! (1) On November 16 2013 00:27 Onegu wrote: rayn has made and super duper duper pushed a case and suspicion on HolyFlare. He has been pestered about it, and pestered others about it.First off I disagree with this, a town and scum rayn both are this way, check out persona 4 mafia and rayns attack on WoS D1, he was town that game. The biggest dif imo for scum and town rayn is you can normally tell is rayn believes his case or not. You have to look at that, once he starts to tunnel onto someone you have to ask him questions and call him out and you should be able to get a read on him. I was thinking about why I started to tunnel him so hard in witchcraft and I figured out this was the reason. Also he isnt quite as active as scum, but this isnt as accurate. With regards to nothing but his bit on HolyFlare, how do you read rayn? (2) Why do HolyFlare's posts on Mattchew bother you? You say he asks the thread for opinions without providing any of his own, and he's pulling Mattchew's name out of the blue. I ... disagree with a good bit of that statement, and I want to figure out where we diverge. Specifically, you 100% don't feel HF gave thoughts on Mattchew when asking about Mattchew? Also, if I read your post right, someone coming to thread and bringing up a specific person who is NOT a current topic of discussion is a scummy thing? Could you explain why this is so, or why it's sometimes so? | ||
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YES. YES WE ARE. AND YOU ARE LYNCHED NOW, GOOD DAY. CONGRATULATIONS, YOUR MASTER PLAN HAS PAID OFF. <3 | ||
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Scummy, townie, things that make you draw connections, whatever two or three things really caught your eye and influenced a read. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: kaustinmcc I want you to stare deep and long into the filter of Pandain and tell me why I should NOT lynch him with the fury of a thousand suns. On November 16 2013 10:10 StorrZerg wrote: who is slam? Alakaslam | ||
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But I know you've written a decent bit about rayn. Could you talk a little more here? On November 16 2013 05:06 Koshi wrote: I like the point, and I get what you're saying, but is this just a gut feeling that he's talking about you but not with you? Or is this a specific thing that you have picked on in past scum games of his, a scumrayn indicator?ctrl + f "Koshi" in rayn his filter. I get mentioned too many times but he doesn't interact with me at all. Except for the "Koshi why do you play so weird". Also, I am not impressed by rayn at all. His case on Holyflare is bad and he is not convincing anybody that Holyflare is scum. Also, you sort of maybe half-jokingly called vayne scum for pointing out you and rayn fighting. But...I put less than zero credence in that point you mentioned. Do you have any actual thoughts on vayne's play so far this game? | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:15 StorrZerg wrote: storrzerg, do you believe that people who troll help town win the game? If so, how? Do you believe that trolling creates a legible and easy-to-follow thread? If so, how?This is also pretty convenient to not provide actual scum reads when running for mayor. And when your lynch flips town "well he was trolling so good lynch anyway" becomes acceptable. I can't agree with this Should you answer no to those two questions, why is a person who is trolling not a good lynch? | ||
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He halfway buddies you pretty hard early on. Defends you as dodgy, calls you a sexy beast, etc. etc. I have not played a D1 with Pandain I don't think, but at least from Magical Cop Sandwich mafia, I do not remember him really buddying up to any townies in that manner as scum. He doesn't appear to actually be winning points with you, nobody has actually been appointed mayor, and while you were vocal and semi-leaderish at the start of the thread, I don't see much cause for him to put that buddying in thread if he's scum. It's too obvious for my tastes? I think his mason claim is BS. Which is mildly mildly townie, as the real reason to fake claim would be to draw shots and be an asshat because you're going to screw up other mason claims and might encourage other masons to claim if they see Yamato's post and Pandain's post and think Pandain is srs. So apparently I find it mildly townie even though it doesn't actually help town at all and if Pandain wanted to draw shots he should be posting. There's not a boatload else there. I don't really care that his posts are grack-focused, it would have been EASIER to focus a very vocal target today like rayn/holyflare, and would have been much townier to really nitpick at someone way out of the spotlight (mebbe). The grack focus does nothing for me either way. On November 15 2013 10:06 Pandain wrote: What led you to find Sharrant's post scummy? What do you get off the rest of Sharrant's posts?You can think that's useless but I think this is more useless I think hopeless and this guy are scum so far. Early reads so don't hound me too much, but those are my thoughts. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:28 StorrZerg wrote: Pretend you're not in this game. We just landed on the moon, and we're scooting about in our lunar rover. Also, it has racing stripes.Lynch people who you legitimately believe are scum. I also like lynching useless people who in no way can help town. ( i can see trolls being on that list from bc) Previous game i played was Majority lynch, so a big focus from town me was making sure we actually got a lynch off. I ended up pushing a town that i felt was useless and felt mafia. In a game where we have someone to be a mayor, i find those reasons very poor. Specially since a big reason we are going to vote for a mayor is because they are providing good reads and scum hunting. "not claiming to lynch trolls as their scum hunt" I turn to you and I ask, "Hey, remember that game called mafia? And remember how people trolled in it? Do you think trolling helped town win the game? Do you think trolls created a legible and easy-to-read thread?" We're on the moon, not in this game. You gotta give me truthful Moon Answers. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I have never played with LoneMeow. This is the game where he was scum with Palmar and SnB, with the other scumteam of Solstice/Cheese/ChairMan Ray. COP SANDWICH MAFIA VE, come on.He hard defended LoneMeow in that game didn't he? Like, as we were stringing the dude up? What's even "mildly mildly" townie about him fakeclaiming mason? Even as a townie that's the most ridiculous thing ever, because it's a confirmable role. When he claimed that, people are gonna be like "Who did Pandain mason?" every day he lives until he comes clean = he's almost certainly a mason. The question is whether he's a town mason or a scum mason. We already have another semi-confirmed mason in LoneMeow. As you said, if he wanted to draw shots he could be posting. He's not doing anything. Apparently not even masoning because apparently he hasn't chosen anyone to mason yet. The mildly mildly townie thing comes from me thinking he's not really a mason. If he's actually a mason, then my reason for assigning mildly townie points (town has SLIGHT reason to fakeclaim mason EXCEPT THAT IT SCREWS OVER EVERYONE ELSE while scum have less/no reason (possibly draw out other claims, but...please dear god people don't be that stupid)). If you want MORE, or you want him to post on people named NOTGRACK, then coo. That's a good idea for him. But off just what he has, I'm not getting big hints of scumminess. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:36 StorrZerg wrote: No. You told me what criteria should be used for lynches, what happened in a past game and how you acted, and upon what a mayor should base his mayoral lynch. (HAHA. NOT GONNA END THAT SENTENCE WITH A PREPOSITION. CAUGHT IT!)i answered your question previously about trolls and where i feel they fit into this game... so yes i find your question regarding trolls and moons pointless. and now we are just cluttering the thread up with more useless crap. Whereas my questions weren't game-specific. I was asking about trolling in general, and whether you find it to help town or help create a legible thread, and if so, why. I don't care what other people think or how anyone has played in any game, I care what the little storrzerg deep deep down in your heart of hearts thinks about trolls in mafia games. For reference, here were the answers you gave: + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 10:28 StorrZerg wrote: Lynch people who you legitimately believe are scum. I also like lynching useless people who in no way can help town. ( i can see trolls being on that list from bc) Previous game i played was Majority lynch, so a big focus from town me was making sure we actually got a lynch off. I ended up pushing a town that i felt was useless and felt mafia. In a game where we have someone to be a mayor, i find those reasons very poor. Specially since a big reason we are going to vote for a mayor is because they are providing good reads and scum hunting. "not claiming to lynch trolls as their scum hunt" | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:45 Alakaslam wrote: Yes! That is the other name for it. I now have it in my head as Cop Sandwich Mafia, and will probably keep referring to it as variants of that name.When you say "cop sandwich mafia" do you mean thug life austin | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:36 Koshi wrote: Okeedoke, thanks. You had them as their correct alignments in Sandwich Cops in the 21st Century Mafia so I wanted to ask about your reads on them here. Plox to say if they do anything super curious and nobody else sees it.It comes down to this. He gave me a slight townread early on and then out of nowhere he goes "Koshi why are you playing so weird" after I made a case on supersoft I think. While we love to scumhunt together and he went from town to scum on me without even trying to talk to me and check me out. I am pretty sure that the easiest way for him to read me is to interact with me. But he refuses to do it except a bit earlier in which he calls me scum... Nha, rayn is scum for me. Vayne tried to be cute so I was cute as well. | ||
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On November 16 2013 10:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I prefer not to think about the third claimer that game.Triple Cop Claim Caper VE, in late exchange for my Pandain thoughts, I would ask you to look at these two points, within the context of when they were written, and tell me if you think anything neat about Onegu just based on these. On November 16 2013 01:31 Onegu wrote: I disagree with this post all the way. A calm relaxed town is much better than a rattled unhappy town as it interfers with thier ability to think rational thoughts and posts. For super to use this as a reson for his attitude feels scummy, if he just said this is how I play deal with it, I would feel better about him. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote: Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions. | ||
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I guess...how you feel about those posts? Does either scream either alignment to you? They just do very different things for me, and I want to poke at him about it, but also see if anyone else gets anything from them. | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:08 Alakaslam wrote: My interest isNow gimme those pandain thoughts. Heheh Well I will say ONEGU is the very first SVENGALI so I will not read him as of yet. Now no more assery. I am interested, does anyone have any interest in the Blazinghand proposal for mayor, coupled with VayneAuthority's response? I have listed my thoughts and I am not sure whether I think either is scum. NO That's where I am right now. I don't think I'm going to move from that being my opinion. BH has not done anything to make me want him as mayor over anyone else that's decent this game, and so even if people want to keep touting the idea of a RNG lynch, the better option is to choose a non-BH mayor and have them do it, even if the person is just going to lynch VA. | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, that'll work. I asked some Qs to onegu but he hasn't come back, poke at him or remind me to poke at him about this stuff when he's on. Well they both follow a similar theme of going with the flow. Like, people were coming out against supersoft's gruff aggression right? So he spoke up against that. Then rayn made a big post about HF and people were starting to get onboard with that, and he adds a couple of points to Rayn's post. Ultimately though I'm not left with a good sense of what Onegu actually thinks about either one of them because of a lack of follow up on either of them. | ||
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On November 16 2013 11:14 StorrZerg wrote: He actively engaged me early when he didn't need to, which I found mildly townie. @austinmcc what is your read on BC? would you agree his cause to lynch trolls is not alignment specific? Regardless of that answer, if you take that out, what makes him town or scum with how he has been playing this game so far? His return post on grack I didn't care too much for. BC can make that post as either alignment, it doesn't say much. The most interesting thing in his return is the stuff at the tail end, the quick minor lists of reads: On November 16 2013 01:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That bit looks decent there, including the response to yamato, which I'm fine with.now that theres some content to the game lets get this shit on the go. ***AUSTINMCC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE TEXT THAT WAS UP HERE*** I have strong inclinations against Risen, and Rayn, but I want to see more. VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined. Yamato get off my dick. If you thought I was mafia you should know damn well to hold onto your train of thought until more time has passed and I've posted more to validate your opinion. By posting shit on how I haven't committed to anything by the 7 hour mark you look like a retard. The sheer data available to formulate decent reads of any shape usually doesn't exist by that time. But after being suspicious on rayn, he...he has this weird interaction. He asks rayn about risen, agrees to look at rayn's HF case, seems to find 2/3 of the 3 points rayn made on HF unconvincing + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list The train of thought there, as I read things, is: (1) rayn is on my watch list; (2) rayn made this case; (3) I don't like 2 of his 3 points; (4) the 3rd is good therefore I will consider rayn's target maybe scummy. Within the development of BC/rayn, I never saw BC call out rayn as TOWN, or specifically like anything rayn said and find it super awesome. Which leaves me wondering why rayn, who was suspicious a moment ago, has a single good point and two bad points on HF, yet HF now jumps up BC's lynch list. He engages Artanis which I like okay, gives Artanis a task, follows up, has clearly actually looked into Grackaroni. Overall, the BC read on rayn/HF is confusing to me, and I would like to hear what he was thinking throughout that. Otherwise, I don't want to lynch him, but I really really really don't want him in office. I think his grackaroni suspicion is supported by real stuff, but it's stuff he can find well enough as town OR mafia, and there's nothing in his filter that makes me confident he's actually town. A lot of his posting has been addressing side issues (his hatred of trolling, his thoughts re: storrzerg's newbieness or lack thereof), and if you eliminate side issues and grackaroni, his filter is very very meh (hopeless should post more/better, AMG SUCH A TOWNIE THOUGHT). I think that IF he's very obviously town, he's a fine person to slap a vest on. But I do not read him as such, and I would not want him voted for anything right now. | ||
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On November 16 2013 12:27 Risen wrote: I like the first bit of this and agree. I just didn't and don't find it alignment-indicative, because I think people of either alignment could feel that such a post would get some love, and could put one together. Especially someone who didn't really have anything else going, that sort of person could make that post and sort of bask in it, because now they're the dude who made that post.I felt it was the kind of post someone should be making in the game. Instantly made me like him. Haven't liked his followup as much. Prefer VE. If that makes sense. | ||
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On November 16 2013 13:07 yamato77 wrote: A decent amount of supersoft's posts and time in the thread are not particularly constructive."incredibly inactive" more posts than you, more time in the thread holy fuck you're just spouting shit reminds me of LXI regrettably, you're probably town for this All of this discussion about which vet has done more or less and should be mayor or pardoner doesn't do much for me. If someone wants a vest, they earn it by playing pro-town. I want protection for people who are townie this game, have provided good stuff this game, and not for someone that hopefully will have a good game/look townie in the future. I know that's not the EXACT discussion here, but I don't think thread is served by some of this discussion. Specifically...I think that if anyone finds BC or whoever's thoughts on supersoft to be SCUMMY, then call BC scummy for it. If you disagree with his thoughts, well...he has em, and it's only relevant is supersoft looks likely to get voted into any position. Otherwise, it feels like one of the conversations going through thread right now is just people disagreeing over someone's relevance/activity/contributions or whatever, and that doesn't feel like it goes anywhere and it clogs up some more scumhunty discussions like who VE would lynch into, who Mig's suspects are, etc. | ||
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On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote: If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with.Who asked marvel how many of each role there were? On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote: Trolling or is this an actual thought?I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch? | ||
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I see your read on VE. I would recommend putting it on the back burner for now, and posting about some more varied topics. Like you did in your initial big post, but just...actively posting smaller things on a variety of topics and not hammering VE. I'd like to ask you about Grack and BC. In your initial post, you agreed with BC that grack was likely scum and hadn't been doing anything very useful. You liked BC. Grack: The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that: - Grack does not care (useless town) - Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely) - Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely) - Grack is scum (most likely) The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord. Yamato lynching BC: I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable. Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC. That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull. I know you also said you didn't want BC mayor, that he was not mayor not lynch for you, but later you say Hmmm I'm not comfortable with BC What are your current thoughts on BC and grack? Also, there are 6 players with S names. Apart from yourself, which S name is towniest/scummiest? | ||
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On November 17 2013 03:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Still of the mind that his big post on grack/storr is not something to draw a read off of. I don't know about you, i THINK it was Acrofales and not you that I was scum with once and we were chatting about opportunities to make very townie housecleaning/scumhunting posts in the middle of shitfights while being scum.I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC? HolyFlare and...was it rayn? Yes. Were fighting, being spammy, trying to take control of the thread and rayn was really trying to get discussion centered on his HF case. There were a LOT of folks not being examined yet, it was early, and I think BC as town OR scum would notice that thread really needs a half-decent case at someone in that un-examined group to (a) turn discussion towards something more fruitful and (b) get AWAY from rayn/HF. It's not scummy to do that, but it's not as townie as other people make it out to be. The rest of his filter...there's a lot of side stuff. Discussions over ss and VE mayoral candidacies. Questioning yamato's townieness re mayor/pardonership. Apart from his one sizeable reads post, I see way more discussion of side issues or sniping at little things than I like. Towniest thing in his filter for me is him pointing you towards a specific grack game to read. But for all his posts, there isn't much of substance. Certainly don't want him elected, mildly scummy on him. Just way too much about hating trolls, skorr not being a noob, hopeless not having contributed enough, who should be mayor, it's all...not scumhunty, and it rarely/never leads anywhere. My turn. If I may, let's mix things up a little. BOTH ONEGU AND HOLYFLARE, GO! | ||
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Koshi, The only thing I had before looking him back over in my notes was that he was town for how he responded to yamato outing LM. Yamato outs LM. People go whaaaa. Yamato explains they played in the last game, LM saved yamato, etc. etc. gave actual reasons why LM would target yamato over others. Koshi goes half-bonkers, questioning people about why LM is town, how we know LM picked yamato not at random, why would LM pick yamato, etc. etc. Likely explanations to me are: didn't read thread too well OR oddly trying to discredit this (saw mason, didn't read past that point, jumped into QT to decide what to do and didn't notice that the dirt he was trying to throw wasn't any good) Scum don't really have any reason to discredit LM as town mason, or town, or whatever. He's not a threat to them right now. Scum don't have any reason to flip out and ask people questions that are already answered in thread, question decisions that I found quite logical based on yamato's posting about his and LM's history. I don't think scum goes that far out on a train of thought that is...useless/a result of not having read. Beyond that, koshi APPEARS to be trying to figure some people out, imo. Look at his progression on Holyflare - + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 01:55 Koshi wrote: Told you guys he would come back with a bang. @BC StorrZerg - Not enough content, don't understand why so many people are disappointed with him, because that is the main reason on why he is scum? Wasn't that incredible awesome in Hogwarts. Grackeroni - Can lynch. Don't know if he would flip red. Truly useless. Don't know if he plays this game to find scum. @rayn Holyflare - I liked Holyflare his posts in Hogwarts on D1, don't like them now. Could be because he doesn't know the answers this game. Don't see why he is scummy. On November 16 2013 02:30 Koshi wrote: Onegu You might be on to something. Here is Holyflare his scum game in Hogwarts (filter) Here is Holyflare his town game in newbie XLVII game. (filter) Here is Holyflare his town game in newbie XLVI game (filter) Holyflare makes a shitton of cases as either alignment but he seems to force his cases down people their throats when he is town. But when he is scum he asks a lot more questions to lure people into investing time in his cases. Something like that. On November 16 2013 02:32 Koshi wrote: That being said. There aren't that many question yet in this game. Hmm. On November 16 2013 02:33 Koshi wrote: Nha, I still don't see why Holyflare is scum. My biggest downside to him is that he's been relatively focused on a couple players. But given his actual posting, I've got him relatively strong townie. Your turn! ME! | ||
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WHY YOU WANT ME ELECTED? I'm generally active. Especially after D1s, and I don't usually peter out in the endgame, but get rather spammy and talkative and try to work things out. You want me alive for that. I promote good thread atmospheres, which is a good thing to have around, and I ask the hard-hitting questions other mafia players aren't man enough to ask. I'm town. I asked about factional numbers cuz I wanted to know how many mafia there are. Mafia know this already. Yes, this is not particularly strong. You want a vest on me. I want a vest on me. I would like a vest. Plox to give. Also, I think yamato is town but I'd like the vest instead of him. Gimme gimme! + Show Spoiler + He backtracked on grack and BC, what looked like two early decent-size scumreads, at times when scum didn't need to backtrack on those and call them town, and when scum could EASILY continue to call them both scummy. There's no real reason for him to do so as scum, mild townie points. I also liked this piece of one of his "caught up with threads list of thoughts" posts - On November 15 2013 21:43 yamato77 wrote: I don't exactly think rayn is mafia, but I can get behind everything else said in this post, and also subsequent posts. Super's play is strictly worse than attempting to be as neutral as possible. Read the post, broke it down, agrees with this, disagrees with that, comes off more looking like he is reading and examining what others write, and not reading so as to find things to poke at. As far as the couple people that have posted suspicions of me: + Show Spoiler + For anyone suspecting me because of questions, my mindset today is to poke around at a couple folks and see what I think about them. Assuming I don't get elected mayor, which I didn't think I would given I never pushed early or really pushed hard at all, it's 120 hours of game before there's a lynch. I have risen pretty townie based on his responses, and I wanted a read on risen because usually his analysis is decent, I know he wants to win games, and I'd like to be able to trust what he writes from the start (a lot of this stems from the recent Aperture game (i think that one) where he was 3P but tried hard to carry town one day so he wouldn't lose the game as 3P. I liked that). I poked at rayn because I fought with rayn in Cop Sandwich Mafia, but I didn't see his pandain read and, if he's townie, I want to examine reads where he and I differ. Poked at sharrant just because sharrant was easily pokeable, and I liked his response to hiro's early post. Poked at onegu because he had one extraordinarily townie post imo, and one really scummy post imo, and I wanted to harmonize and see what I actually thought he was (super townie for his post on super explaining that he didn't want a mayor who was willing to create a bad atmosphere and scummy for his early post on holyflare, felt like one of those "yeah, i'ma find this guy scummy too, let's just go through his whole filter and call out random stuff without really creating any kind of compelling narrative!" posts). Some of the lack of followup is time, some of it is people not getting around to answering for hours and hours. It derails any kind of conversation feel and that's what I want. Don't worry oats, I will examine you later and peer into your soul and we will chat and I will know your alignment. | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I had you mildly townie early for your posts at rayn, asking him why HolyFlare would "lie" about rayn having called risen town, when really there's no reason for a scum player to just straight up create lies and then back them and argue for them. That's really, really bad scum play, doubling down on lies that serve no purpose. You made that post before I did, and I find that train of thought townie.Austinmcc, I like the method you use to garner reads in asking specific questions to players, asking others to take looks at things you found interesting and seeing if they come to the same conclusions. However, it doesn't give any information regarding your alignment. I believe you're able to do this as both town and scum. What bothers me is the lack of conclusions in your resume. In your opening statements, you question Rayn, Risen, and Sharrant. Later, you question Onegu and Koshi, and ask StorrZerg a few rhetorical questions. Then you start pressuring BC a bit but it doesn't really go anywhere. You never make yourself a strong town presence when you clearly have the wit to do so, and have put in enough time to know what you're speaking of. It feels like you're being more of a thread coach than an actual presence yourself, which is a position more favourable to scum than to town as you can duck responsibility, so I had you as a minor scum read until now. Engaging in this back and forth does help as I feel it helps give me more insight into your personal thoughts on players, but I can't help but wonder if your involvement in it isn't triggered by realizing that there is town sentiment that's swaying against you and that you need to be less lazy. I'm fairly null on your position, with a slight lean towards scumminess right now. My return question is: Why did you ask me to give my thoughts on you? Did you want to analyze my thought process, or give yourself an opportunity to rectify whatever people might see scummy in you, or is it something different? You've had a number of other sensible posts, and I just want to poke around you a little more, see whether I like what you said about me or not. | ||
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BH. There are SIX people with S names in this game. Almost 20% of the playerbase has names that start with the same letter. Do you believe this to be some kind of conspiracy, or no? Either way, can you actually read 2 of the S names and tell me what you think about them? | ||
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On November 17 2013 04:33 Pandain wrote: Did you read the claim and the responses?Someone just claims tracker and you don't think that will lead anywhere? Lol Ask him 2000 times whether it's real or not. What happens? He continues to give trolly answers and enjoy himself, and you actually don't know whether it's truthful or no. Asking him generates no answers for you, but posts in thread in which BH trolls. That's it. Poking at him about it generates nothing useful. | ||
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On November 15 2013 22:55 supersoft wrote: (1) No, I am slightly leaning town on both of them right now. Their behaviour fits their townplay. it's okay. Feel slightly better about VE. Artanis is little more than 0. (2) got to think about this. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:13 supersoft wrote: Do you think that those two posts are enough to call someone scum or bad townie?mhm i didn't follow that one up, because I couldn't deceide whether hopeless is scum or bad townie. + i don't fully agree that these credentials are irellevant if you're town. I mean it might be interesting to read a game where your mayorcandidate actually is mayor before you vote him so i think that comment isn't really a tell. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:15 supersoft wrote: Okay, just checking. I haven't engaged you and am unsure on elected-you. Last time you got an extra life, I think you were short on time (you were rezzed as a ghost in some game we played where I was scum), and the game was a MESS, but it didn't go very well. I know our team initially killed you because you were onto someone or someones, but once you were confirmed town and alive again, it just didn't feel like you did much, and your reads got turned around.I don't want to kill someone who doesnt participate at all, these guys can be town or scum you never ever know it for sure. I know that if i get elected, I have to kill scum, to prevent the inevitable discussion whether I am scum for not killing scum or not. Yes there are still some of these people on that list, but I am here and I will work on my scumreads until the deadline comes. | ||
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On November 17 2013 05:27 supersoft wrote: No, that game was ridiculous. We let marv and foolishness fight, caused town to DISTRUST a mod-confirmed flip, and a couple other things. It's not fully indicative of your normal play. We were also in bureaucracy together (and both got banned ) and I had no problem with your play there.I only remember i defended the shit out of some other ver (Foolishness or BC) and when i came back i think marv convinced me that he was scum, but he wasn't and I built a scumteam around him and failed completely :D Yes, that was the worst game i ever played. I am not immune to mistakes. And even if you might think i am arrogant and that I have a huge Ego, I admit my mistakes and I am always ready to think twice about my reads. + I always trust my brain and not my heart. I never lynch someone because I don't like him and I never show mercy because I like someone. I care mildly about ego/arrogance, only because I really do believe in happy atmospheres yielding good town results. I don't want you mayor because of that. | ||
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On November 17 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey! Everyone should vote for Supersoft. I'm not even joking, he's probably the only chance we have for getting an obviously town (to most everyone) decent analyst up in the role (no offense yamato) if we're for whatever reason having doubts about VE and BC. | ||
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On November 17 2013 06:22 supersoft wrote: Risen is ++.please people discuss lynchtargets. comment on these: and everyone else you want to have eyes on. Enough chattering. Go. reread! He's not posted boatloads, but I was fine with his responses to me, and to some extent his last couple made it sound like he was engaging with me and also making an attempt to read me (calling me pro town but not necessarily town). Do like. Storrzerg + He posts his past game numbers at BC, engages him slightly, but doesn't FLIP OUT that he's being suspected, nor does he FLIP OUT and call BC terribad/scum/anything. There's not a ton in his filter, but that's worth small townie points with me. He didn't answer my moon question, which is incredibly scummy, but he did not continue to troll after that, from what I've seen, so oh well. Hiro 0 Liked his early bit still, found it super townie. He's done nothing since. It tempers my read but I don't think he's fantastically scummy for it. Hopeless / coag DON'T GET RANKINGS Hopeless isn't playing this game. If he does nothing for another 72 hours, then he should get got. Coag is...also pretty much not playing, but without even half an excuse. Will give grack a more substantive read, that's the one i find most interesting out of the ones not above. | ||
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On November 17 2013 06:40 Coagulation wrote: I only wanted half-excuses.I can make excuses. the sun was in my eyes. | ||
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On November 16 2013 02:19 Grackaroni wrote: You also I have been an abnormally active troll. He also went and looked at Mattchew's profile or Mattchew in the Knowledge Repository, because he knew when past games were and number. Reads vaguely townie. I would love for him to stop trolling at all and focus on the decent posts (he DOES have some non-trolly posts, a decent number). If we're smiting trolls, I'd rather smite other trolls. Overall, I actually like grack here. | ||
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On November 17 2013 07:04 Koshi wrote: Cheesecake this game vs. Cheesecake in Mega Sandwich Mafia. Go!Nobody from that supersoft inactive list should be lynched except for maybe Storrzerg. BH, rayn look like the 2 best candidates. I still prefer rayn over everybody. SS are you serious when you say Mig and Pandain are scum? Pandain isnt imo. | ||
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On November 17 2013 08:58 Pandain wrote: I want to talk to VE and see what is up with this. Would still like him for mayor.Austin who are you going to change your vote to Beyond that, would prefer SS to yam, would prefer me to both (rawr). I favor a VE mayor / SS pardoner scenario. I think that you are putting a lot of words in VE's mouth though, because I don't see a good explanation here, and I don't like seeing semi-abdication without anything more. It's...off. I want to understand what exactly is going on and his reasons before I really want anyone else mayor. | ||
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IF ve moved his vote because he's not as confident about his reads... why is this a good thing? He has the option of voting someone else's reads, if he thinks supersoft has the best reads since sliced breadreads, he can just vote whoever SS wants but still be mayor. If he wants to explain his reads and why he's not confident, that's alright and gives people something to work with. But only saying to vote super and that's the best chance of getting good analysis is...pewp. I'm happy if they have vests, but would prefer VE to have the double vote and the call on a double lynch. I have played more with him, am more familiar with him, and also selfishly believe he's more likely to speak with and listen to me. Supersoft is not going to promote the atmosphere I'd prefer, and I'd rather he not have the mayor bonus stuff. But...do you believe that "not being confident in reads" is a good reason not to be mayor here? | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:13 Pandain wrote: Both get a vest, the vest is not an issue.Yeah because it's not only this lynch. It's future lynches since mayor gets double vote. Also they can live longer due to vest. I think it's pretty simple to see VE would rather see a SS mayor and so I'm pretty surprised you would still vote for him I see that VE wants people to vote SS, but his explanation is weak and I want to see more here. I don't find it surprising. Even if I want VE mayor, I don't gotsta do what he wants. I don't care if he wants SS mayor, my vote's based on who I want as mayor. | ||
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It'd be nice if there were more movement, but there have been basically two then three frontrunners without much in the way of a challenge. Used to WAY more legitimate candidates getting votes than this. | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote: My vote is still up in the air. If you can make a decent case for somebody being scum than I will move my vote. Right now I think you will lynch random inactives with a bad chance of flipping scum and then eventually, if no scum are lynched, you will get lynched for winning the mayoral race. At least Yamato's scum play is bad enough that he won't be accused. Right now, VE is the mayor and neither Yamato nor SS is lynching ANYBODY. The question RIGHT NOW comes down to who you want protection on, unless you decide you want SS to have the lynch. If your vote is on Yamato, it's currently giving Yamato a vest over SS. That's the only effect (and pardoner but who cares). The lynch is entirely not up for grabs. | ||
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That means, in order of reaching votes (see the vote count), VE would be mayor, Yamato would be pardoner. You can't vote again for yamato, so you can't give him the lynch. You can vote for SS, making it SS mayor, VE pardoner. You can vote for anyone but SS or yamato, making it VE mayor, SS pardoner. But as of right now, with votes the way they are, neither yamato nor SS has control of the lynch. What is up for grabs, barring more votes on either of them, is the pardoner spot and that vest. | ||
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On November 17 2013 09:46 Alakaslam wrote: Swapped over to VE, so now...it's either VE/yamato again, or if going up and then down puts you in the lead of a tie, it'd be VE/ssSuperSoft now in the lead. What hast thou to say? | ||
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VE, why skan in particular? I see not giving a shit about helping us win, but why skan out of the group of players not helping us win? | ||
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On November 17 2013 12:36 thrawn2112 wrote: 7:23 AM. CHINATOWN, IN A SMALL CZECH CITY ON RIGEL 4 (CZECHOSLOVAKIA HAS COLONIZED RIGEL 4, DEAL WITH IT).hey austin.. or whoever but austin I specifically want you to answer this... can you give me a recap of D1 with emphasis on people who were at least above the lurker threshold, but not one the main talking points of D1 because of sneaky reasons? Thread starts remarkably active. Grack trolling, VE looking decent, yamato looking decent, even oats posting a decent amount. A lot of not much happens, but VE comes out looking good from it and appears to be a mayoral frontrunner. 1/4 of the way through D1, rayn and HolyFlare get into a pooping contest. We confirm that both can, indeed, poop, and both can poop copious amounts. This is the first real big point of discussion imo, and the first thing that spawns some reads and a lot of chatter. BC calls out grackaroni and storrzerg. This shifts the rayn/HF fight, which does continue somewhat, into some discussion of Grack, some discussion of BC. BC, prior to this post, hadn't done boatloads. A lot of people are running for mayor but are their only vote. Onegu, me, alakaslam, I think a couple others. Otherwise, there is really very little movement on votes, people liked VE and yamato early, and while they haven't been terribly involved as of late, they remain the main two candidates. supersoft is also getting a couple votes, campaigning based on being a vet and wanting protection and usually dying early. While he is often making kinda asshole-y posts, the vast majority of folks find him townie. That takes you probably to the halfway point. No MASSIVE action, but a decent start --> rayn/HF --> BC post would be my main highlights of the first 24 hours. There's a funky point where yamato outs LastMeow as having masoned him, with believable reason as to why LM would target yamato, but ... it's a strange time to just out someone like that and then drop it. That would be a minor happening to check out. After that...there is relatively little movement in terms of votes. Supersoft picks up some more votes, and the voting is pretty clearly between yamato/VE/supersoft for mayor and pardoner. Some votes get moved towards the end, there are a lot of "I think yamato is town but want other dudes to have protection," including from me. I don't know yet if anything is to be gained from the votes, but there was a tiny bit of movement from maybe ~6 hours left onwards. Otherwise, BC sort of slides off and doesn't do much. supersoft starts posting a little more, starts getting more people involved. VE disappears. BH makes a stupid tracker claim for very little reason, people poke around at it and fight over it --> pandain, rayn, maybe grack a little? Mig posts a spreadsheet of reads and a couple other things. Mocsta makes some strange cases on a couple people. Grack trolls slightly less, but still trolls. Spaghetticus is the only person to really get on VE's ass, writes a couple sizeable posts considering VE to be scummy, doesn't get lots of traction, but had a couple people talking about it. There really just isn't oodles of note from D1. It wasn't...dead, but there weren't a lot of high impact points that I can recall. As far as semi-lurkers, others may agree/disagree, but I would say you're looking at the lowest lowest super lurky tier being Coag Hiro Protag (you replaced) Hopeless1der Stutters (posted that he didn't know game started, 1-2 posts, gone) LoneMeow (involved in masonry) Cheesecake (i put him here) The second tier of slightly less lurky people, who were maybe involved in a thing or two: Mattchew Sharrant (maybe) Spaghetticus (maybe) OOHCHILD BH (really only involved in things he started) People with some posts, but either I can't call to mind anything specific they really impacted OR they were involved in 1-2 discussions, somewhat heavily, and then were not too involved in anything else: Sharrant (maybe goes here) Vayne Holyflare (maybe) Oats (maybe) Alakaslam (maybe) It's kind of a normal big game with a lot of lurk and semi-lurk. There were only a few people standing opposed to each other during the day, rayn/HF, i think rayn/koshi for a bit, spaghett coming out strongly against VE, BC coming out strongly against grack. As far as people who didn't get talked ABOUT in those lists, you're looking at Coag, LoneMeow (outside of masonry), Cheesecake, Spaghetticus, and probably a little oats/alakaslam. Most other folks got poked by someone, or were brought up occasionally by a bunch of folks as "dat dude lurks/hasn't done anything townie", or were serious momentary topics of discussion. There's my too-long summary. Welcome to game. I wish I'd made this post more thematic and included scenes and timestamps and stuff about Czechoslovakia, but I didn't. Also, I think it's the Czech Republic and has been for...quite some time? I think I may be dating myself on calling it a different name. Boo. | ||
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People who have intentionally posted in such a way to avoid them being talked about....BH has posted in a way to avoid being ACTUALLY discussed, because he's just been trolling. Coag too. Otherwise, nobody in particular is posting a good bit with the INTENTION of not being talked about. People who posted a little bit but DUCKED discussion, generally not due to their own machinations: Risen somewhat fits the bill but I think he's town. artanis, some posts, some reads, but never really discussed by other bros. Mattchew, and this is odd, but he posted a little and got discussed a little, but never...at the same time? There's discussion on him early but limited to "he ain't do much" and whether that's townie or scummy for him. He occasionally crops up, but never really in major scum lists or as a big suspect, and never as a big townread. He's neither for me. The only mattchew scum game I remember well, he accidentally claimed scum. I prefer to read him later on, and in relation to other flips. If you're asking me for scumreads, I don't think the folks I look at fit into the category of posting a good bit but always slipping analysis. That just ain't where my reads lie. | ||
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This game is a salsa. The players are all specific ingredients in the salsa. Who is the tomatoes? Not the most flavorful, but ever-present and they hold the salsa together. Who is the jalapeno? Not the spiciest pepper ever, but they stand out and have a little kick to em. Who is the seeds and ribs of the peppers? They make the salsa taste bad and get thrown out. Who is the onion? You might cry if you cut him, and he helps flavor the salsa. Who is the salt? There isn't a whole lot of him by volume, but his contributions bring out the flavors of the other ingredients? Who is the ghost pepper? I don't know why marv puts ghost peppers in his salsa, but this is the spiciest player in the thread. Very little of him, but SO SPICY DO NOT EAT DANGER DANGER. | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:39 Coagulation wrote: Yo, I'm roleplaying thrawn's fantasy questions right now. You just happen to be one of those people that didn't really get talked about much. Which is a thing he sort of maybe asked about. It's da troof. And da troof will set you free.I honestly dont give a shit if anyone talks about me. If I ask you about somebody but try to make it entertaining, will you post real thoughts? | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:41 OOHCHILD wrote: That's not really how this works. This is semi-real question. You're allowed to semi-answer. None of the answers are boobytrapped, you don't blow up mid-sentence if you type the wrong name.ask me a real question and I will answer I have to start here, and any real questions will follow from this. Sorry. | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:49 OOHCHILD wrote: Sorry. I'm tipsy and they amuse me! im in a bad mood and your shitty questions don't amuse me. bye. You should answer them later when you're in a better mood. Like, actually should. We haven't played together much, and I want to try and poke around some odd stuff to get a read on you. | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:51 OOHCHILD wrote: Do you believe that BH is a tracker? I know you're getting at that, but I still think it's nonsensical and there's no real reason to believe it. what im thinking about now is why would BH play that way as a tracker. last i caught up to was his claim at page 92 or so so I dont know if that question has been brought up since then. | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:54 Onegu wrote: That question is kush-specific.Austinmcc can I be the salt? I love salt. Anyway my plan for today is to finish up the filters and my notebook. Then be ready with my thoughts for before I sleep and the day post. Only he has the power to decide whether you're the salt or not. | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:58 thrawn2112 wrote: VE depends on future play and somewhat on why he chose his lynch. I expected him to play things close to the vest, then reveal a little targetting info late. He didn't. That bugs me. But thef act that he's apparently masoned and there's a weird mason-chain could explain weirdness. And me being bugged isn't me having a scumread, it's a thing I can't really explain and piece together as either alignment.yeah that's what I was looking for dibs on BH I got this lol you should have just said this o.0 So where do your reads lie and what do you think VE's choice of lynch says about his alignment? i'm out for tonight. my only experience in a large game was as scum and the 100 pages of what austin told me amounts to a lot of trolling/fighting looks like a headache. hopefully 420 will help with that lol VE please bestow that mind meld upon me BH whats up talk to me baby Right now, I think cheese could very well be scum. He's not just inactive, he's inactive while seemingly reading the thread at the times he's checked in. He's also...checking in on thread at times (that one 40 minute period), but not actually contributing anything despite being around a while. Cheese has played active scum (i played with active-scum cheese), cheese can play inactive town, but the fact that he seems to be reading yet doing very little, and sometimes being around but doing very little, makes me a sad panda. I think the reasons folks find rayn scummy are legit, and rayn might be scum. I dunno what to make of Pandain after magical sandwich mafia, but he's ... somewhat of a person of interest. His play this game DOES NOT match his play as scum in Sandwichville, but he has been getting hung up on or talking about a lot of stuff I consider side issues (BH claim, how many masons/which masons are scum). That interests me, makes me keep watch on him. | ||
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On November 17 2013 13:59 OOHCHILD wrote: I think that his claim is entirely untrustworthy and doesn't really say anything about his alignment. He could fakeclaim as either alignment, although I don't support him doing so. Maybe it's true also, but ... there's no real reason to believe it.so you think he is town but lying about being a tracker? i was thinking of the situation as he is either tracker or he's scum. I don't have a lot of experience with BH but he is the only person I find especially scummy at this point. Honestly I have had zero time to actually think about the game and make cases because it's been so hard for me to just read everything once. In an odd way, I would suggest answering my salsa questions. You don't have to read the whole game to build the salsa. And you might realize that one of the characteristics about is something you find maybe scummy, then you can go filter that person and see whether the filter matches your feelings about general playstyle so far. It's another angle to attack the game and making reads from, and is worth answering. | ||
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On November 17 2013 14:09 OOHCHILD wrote: You are. You just don't know it yet.im never answering the salsa question 2/3 of the people who have ducked my questions have been scum. The 1/3 was Waveofshadow. You're either mafia or Waveofshadow if you duck my question. Do you really want that? Deep down...do you want that? | ||
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On November 17 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote: I asked both you and supersoft about this because it was just a little oddity for me. Like, 14-15 hours after hopeless posts some nothingposts, you want supersoft's take on those nothingposts. + Show Spoiler +SS, Frankly I expect better from you. I thought you were meant to be good at this game? Instead you are listening to the words of a guy that had a tunneled outlook on me before I even posted yesterday; and a guy that is clearly scum -- The latter I will be adding more towards at the resolution part of this cycle. I haven't seen Hopeless troll before. In my opinion his trolling at face value felt like he was posting for the sake of posting. It was an observation and after the flak i copped with storrzerg i wanted a second opinion. Super is meant to be analytical so I asked him. I thought this was all clear cut in the original post? As for the second part, it was an observation. I dunno where it was leading. Since then, Hopeless has done nothing but also seems to be in a position where perhaps he should ask for a replacement?? What more is there to read into him? As useless as Mattchew et all. On November 15 2013 22:50 Mocsta wrote: @Supersoft, - 2 questions (1) Is VE still dodgy, or has artanis taken his stead? + (2) What do you think of Hopeless1der? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Hopeless1der I am aware that he was only present during the very early game where trolling is common; however, I find this quote unusual for town to make. Maybe this is written very dry and the joke is going over my head; but I am interpreting this as giving contemplation to voting VE. BTW, which occurs here: My issue is that, I don't think a townie would given any sort of consideration to that criteria for considering a mayor. Fact is, town want in a mayor someone they think is a good player + standing out as town + has identified why their lynch choice is a solid candidate. You're a deep analyser of motivation; do you agree that the above is not evident in the mindset of Hopelss1der? TOO LAZY TO FIND HIS RESPONSE RIGHT NOW. IT'S IN HIS FILTER AND MINE, TOO. HE SAYS HE HAS TO THINK ABOUT IT. If he likes those posts, he's being sillypants. If he thinks hopeless1der is 100% scum off those posts, then he's being sillypants. If he thinks those posts don't make hopeless look great because they're not doing anything and slightly trolly, congratulations, you got supersoft to admit his opinion is in line with everybody else's opinions, because nobody can really think otherwise about them. It just feels like a question with a universal answer, one that doesn't go anywhere. And it's not an answer that says anything in particular about hopeless OR supersoft, it's just a question. His response was that he would have to think about it, which again, I poked at him on. I produced more liters of drool last night in my sleep, just one night, than hopeless has produced posts this game. And none are particularly thought-provoking. But super wants to think about it. I found that odd. THAT is why I ask you and supersoft, not because I think there's more to read into hopeless. But because I think there's almost nothing to read into those posts, so your question doesn't appear to go anywhere to me, and his answer makes it look like he's procrastinating or uninterested in doing a task that would take 4 seconds and is useless, rather than just giving the useless read/comment/telling you your question is dumb. | ||
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On November 18 2013 00:58 OOHCHILD wrote: If I give you a decent reason to answer, will you consider that?because your dumb questions are a waste of time and space? | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:07 Spaghetticus wrote: Throw out all the mayor stuff, people that ran, people that won, all that. Wait who is tunneling Kush? People I'm fucking wired. Talk to me guys. Is there any single post in the game that has you thinking someone is almost almost almost certainly town/scum? Also, I will talk with you, but ball's in your court for right now. I've got an hour, you're wired, ask me some questions. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:09 Spaghetticus wrote: Generally earlier than this. He's usually got some posts, and some decent posts, on D1 in the games that I have played with him. I don't find it particularly telling about his alignment, except for a nagging thought that maybe it's an indicator of assassinyness. That's an outside shot though, and I don't expect him or others to play assassiny, whatever that actually means (in my head, playing to avoid getting killed by any faction by normal means, sometimes town BH looks very town and gets shot N1, and assassinBH wouldn't really want that although he could say he was protected or whatever).When does Blazing hand usually start playing? I'm interested in his take once he finishes with his survival scheme. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:14 OOHCHILD wrote: Ah, alright. I'm not trying to tunnel you. You weren't super mega active D1, so I want to do two things. I want to get you posting more, so that I can read that and get a better read on you. I want to get you posting more, so that YOU can post more and have more of an impact on this game. yes its to you Best case scenario, you answer the salsa question, and one or two players really catch your eye. By answering about salsa, you're not just hunting for scum or having townreads, you're identifying specific characteristics that x player has exhibited. Maybe that characteristic triggers something in your brain, you find it really townie, or really scummy, or you think it says something else, or whatever. It's a way to approach things from a different angle, maybe jumpstart some other thought process helpful to solving the game/having a happy town game. I get to read that, others get to read that, and have a better read on you. More activity, an odd look at the game from you, responses from me probably, it's all good for the game. Despite it being a dumb question, I think it's helpful to both of us. Heck, worst case scenario, you can answer however you want and be trolly. But that still gets a post or a couple out of you, even if they're pure troll. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes. It's happened a couple times iirc, scum shoots someone who doesn't die, tells urrbody about it. Scum can claim to have been a vigi in a game where the assassins are neutral, or there have been games where scum is mostly screwed and a guy who is outed outs a 3P who can be harmful to town, trying to buy an extra cycle for scum to stay alive and hoping town goes after the 3P. That's not the case here, but there have been enough funky scum/3P interactions that it's a possible consideration.Ugh what's this? Why wouldn't assasins play like town? Like if they get shot during the night just not claim you were shot? Are scum gonna claim they did shoot you or what? | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:17 Spaghetticus wrote: Cheese scummy. rayn could be, do like koshi's points, although I'm not finding rayn as scummy this game as I normally do (found him scummy in two other games in which he was town).For context, could you quicklist your three biggest scumreads? Who do you consider confirmed town? I don't find any one post particularly scumtelling. Probably the biggest swing in my perception was when Storrzerg claimed noob. I haven't followed him up since, figuring his input has been fairly limited and if someone prompts me it won't take long to be up to date. Currently quite townie on risen, koshi. Neither has posted a particular thing that makes me super duper duper duper mega convinced they're town yet, though. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: He also pokes at how your read on him changes, your scumreads in general, and possibly more. But those two have been mentioned, off the top of my head.Koshi'scase against me is "he didn't talk to me". That's dumb. Now when i talk to him do doesn't talk back. | ||
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FIRST SET Cheese is on for 40ish minutes and pokes minorly at skan, asks that question of BC. You have a 40 minute period where he's following the thread, but barely interacting at all, and never in a meaningful Way to contribute anything. + Show Spoiler + On novemBer 16 2013 01:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hello good sirs, WhO may I ask is scum this game? 'Tis TRUE a few townreads are to be had; but scum be elusive, so sad! On novemBer 16 2013 01:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ahh, but sir, you are not yet amongst the townreads of Cornelius Cheesecake! Please do remedy thy status, or by virtue of good deed, elect me mayor. For then shall we see scum hanged by the neck. On novemBer 16 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: BC would you like to be mayor? Also what do you think of Skan? On novemBer 16 2013 01:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I support BC, our fearless leader. SECOND SET 5 hours later, Cheese is around for just 10ish minutes, from 6:12 to 6:23. He starts off with a trolly post about supersoft, indicating he's reading the thread right then (Super's post was 5 minutes old) On novemBer 16 2013 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Posts like this make me think Supersoft knows VE's alignment. But he then references VE's lynch choices and yamato's BC read. On novemBer 16 2013 06:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Yamato had just put his BC read in thread, while VE's lynch choices are 30-40 minutes oldI am very pleased with VEs choices of lynches. I can wholeheartedly support him in his endeavors. Why is BC abhorrent yamato, i dont mind him. On novemBer 16 2013 05:40 VisceraEyes wrote: This means (1) cheesecake Has been reading the thread, or caught himself up (he wasn't actively posting back when VE wrote that, yet he knows VE's choices); but (2) Cheese continues to have little/no Impact on thread, and not comment on anything else really. Random Musings: The Bus-Ride to Work STUFF Grackaroni, StorrZerg, Sharrant, and Skanjab1s SOME MORE STUFF THIRD SET Cheese around 18ish minutes, 8:13-8:31. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 08:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Lynch bait is a dude who is typically bad or lurks, often gets mislynched. Like stutters or sylencia, most newbs in larger games. On November 16 2013 08:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: VE/BC wombo combo for elections? On November 16 2013 08:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I am but a plebian at your heels. On November 16 2013 08:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I have done nothing but say i like things why am i not suspicious? LAST POST On November 16 2013 15:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I think Onegu might be svengali scum. Look at his post on HF, reeks of "I see you think HF is scum, allow me to poop on him some more" he also keeps mentioning that hes reading and hes here to be awesome amd do things, instead of posting relevant stuff. love, The Cheesecake Onegu's post on HF, what I believe CC is referring to, is here - + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote: Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them. Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless. Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him. Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet. Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn. He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion. Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions. I have no problem with Cheese saying that looks like an opportunistic read, adding a little extra fuel to the HF fire. But Onegu's post was like 13 hours again. Again, cheese is reading through the thread. Either to catch up, or he's been following along. He calls Onegu out for mentioning that Onegu is reading and here to be awesome and do stuff, but not posting relevant stuff. Cheesecake is sometimes here, is reading, but doesn't post any really relevant stuff. It's always a one-off comment, then gone again, and the one-off comment is generally not super helpful, and often drags up something that was posted a while back, indicating he's following along with the game but not DOING anything with the game. Those are the bits that bother me. He's here. He's read, because he pulls up specific posts from a while back. But he never says much, he never really impacts, and he'll sit for 20-40 minutes and never do another thing of any note. Disrike. | ||
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On November 18 2013 02:13 Onegu wrote: If this is your read on me, then that is sexy. I'm doing what I'm trying to do. Austin Lets play a game read your own filter and tell me what is missing, maybe compare it to a type of food. Im thinking a marshmellow do you agree? All fluff, looks good, but nothing of substance. You give your first scum read on page 6 of your filter. My note go like this for you. Wow very good at attepting to get people involved with questions. Good back and forth with people. Very detailed thought process. Very active. Wait there are no scum reads. Only gives town reads. Doesnt call anyone scum. Only scumread a lurker and "Rayn could be scum, but I have had him more scummy in his other town games" I don't care about the other stuff right now. It's a mayor game in which it was relatively obvious I was not going to be mayor. That means the first lynch I really have a say in is 120 hours into the game. I'd rather get people involved, let everyone see my thought processes, and just lay a good foundation for future days. Yes, that may look scummy to you. I don't care, it's exactly what I'm trying to do. It's up to you to balance whether you think the lack of reads overrides the other things I'm doing, which I would argue are normally townie things. | ||
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On November 18 2013 04:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah, I'm around for a bit and this sounds fine. I need to do some work in mason chat too, but this is worthwhile.Austin, would you like to continue our little volleyball game from before? I have some time and I think it'd help both my own reads and my reads on yourself. I'll give you a short one for a warmup in Mig. I'm fine with your thoughts on me. You saw the same thing Onegu did, which mainly means I've been doing what I'm trying to do. Happy with that as your read on me at the time. It doesn't super affect my read on you, you have no need to curry favor with me as either alignment, no need to really call me out, so it's null that you just say what I did and general feelings on it. Mig I like this post - On November 16 2013 02:28 Mig wrote: Mig's thoughts on BC's case ---> pushing Grack forwards. To the extent useless grack is a problem, this attempts to remedy the problem and in a specific way (or at least the bit that points to pandain). Like that post.The first half of BC's case against you Grack is terrible and overwritten but he is accurate in saying you have been worthless this game. In white flag you figured out pandain was town very quickly and zerod in on Oats in no time. This game you have provided nothing. A couple questions, 1) besides bc who do you think is scum, and is bc your strongest scum read? 2) what do you think of pandain this game? Otherwise, lots of focus on mayoral candidates and what they're going to do. Don't love that. Mayoral race important, but it's not scumhunting and it's a great thing to allow activity while not really pushing the game anyway. I made notes to try and look back through for people who talked a lot about what mayor would do what or BH's claim, but not a lot about other stuff. Free activity for scum. His set of posts about mayors fit that bill. He DOES follow up with the mayor stuff, I'm thinking about voting x because he said he was going to lynch y, and I want y lynched because of given reasons. Stuff like this: On November 17 2013 00:00 Mig wrote: No I wouldn't say I am super confident BC is town, although I liked his pressure on Storr. But I agree with his 2 top scum picks, grack/storrzerg and I would prefer to see one of them lynched over VE's current candidates. Which is why I am considering him more strongly. But overall there's not much direction in his filter. Lots of little questions, but nothing in particular built on them, and so many concern the mayoral race specifically. It's an easy way to choose a mayor (not a scummy, but EASY), by picking one target of a mayoral candidate, saying that dude is scummy, and choosing mayor vote off of that. He doesn't pop back up when it's clear BC is out of the race, never had his vote anywhere but BC. For someone who was very concerned with the mayoral race and mayoral lynch candidates, he's utterly uninvolved in the actual election. I dislike that. Even if it's a timing thing, that's a lot of effort to put into asking mayors questions and looking into mayoral lynches, with absolutely nothing to show for it. Apart from that grack post, I like him a moderate degree for mafia. I would like Mig to speak more about BC as a whole. | ||
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On November 18 2013 05:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ugh. I THINK I read him town. I look through, I see trolling, I see ... posts. Some letters and stuff. I pull out things like this:What do you make of Alakaslam? On November 16 2013 18:42 Alakaslam wrote: Nobody responded to spaghetticus's early big post, alakaslam responds to the followup, saying he'll get to it, never does. Often saying you'll do stuff and then not is scummy, but I actually read this townie, because this post is NOTHING but interacting with someone who most people aren't, saying you'll read his thing, and then never actually following through. I don't see that as a scummy missed promise (I'm gonna do this, I will give my read on x, etc.), but more a townie thing, here's some dude that wants comments, I will give him some comments, oops, forgot.Probably a length issue, I appreciate the spoiler. I will come back to this There's a lot of trolling, but there are lots of little posts that show...he's thinking about stuff behind the trolling? On November 17 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote: Nobody is really discussing stutters (who is super duper absent still ). Slam just claimed to want to run for mayor, gave an ACTUAL candidate, one nobody was talking about, but never pushed anything. He's noticing stutters, mentioning him, when who cares about stutters at this point. Seems like he's watching the game.I would lynch Stutters695. It doesn't matter. When I responded to his trolly "I'm lying, are you going to lynch me?" comment by trolling, he just posted laughter. Seemed lighthearted, no need to follow that up if he's mafia, or if he wants to follow up he can just post more trolly stuff. Instead, he acknowledges it and no more trolling on that subject. I can't quite put my finger on much more, but I get a general ... aura of townieness from his posts. It's weak, and basically my read on him relies on the fact that he didn't do something minor that he said he would, which I've decided to read as townie. We'll do a quick one, LoneMeow. | ||
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On November 18 2013 05:32 StorrZerg wrote: Stahp.cept this SB crap has got me caught up cause it really is confusing me.. i'd honestly like someone else to give an opinion on it besides SS Why would town SS make that statement? Why would mafia SS make that statement? What benefit does it really give town if a SB goes off on BC and at best we lose no one? at a low possibility 2 people, at high 3+? Maybe there's a suicide bomber, maybe there's not. The role is there for a reason --> kill important townies through protection. The role is BALANCED, however, because it has a drawback. Scum lose 1/6 their team, we get to read that person's posts/interactions in a new light. They're 1 person closer to having 1 less NK for the rest of the game. It's not all reward, there's risk involved too. SS makes that post because he wants BC stacked OR because he wants BC protected (mafia first, town second). What matters is not anything about a suicide bomber. What you should be poking around, if you're worried about this, is SS's read on BC, exactly why he feels how he feels, and whether you think SS wants a town BC protected or not (imo). Scum dying is good for town. If scum happen to take out townies when they die, less good. But there are only 6 of them. Dead scum is good scum, and dead scum means less NKs later, good. But you don't know if they have a suicide bomber. You don't know if all SIX of them are suicide bombers, and going to all bomb people tonight and lose the game. And at this point, it's not particularly helpful to go "what if this" or "what if that." If BC and a bunch of dudes get blown up tonight, maybe you want to question SS. If he doesn't, maybe you don't so much. Maybe you want to look at SS's reads a little harder, particularly his read on BC. But ... trying to read SS's alignment because of what might or might not happen based on roles that might or might not exist is ... maybe not the best use of time, imo. | ||
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I see the counter question, but it's really not much. What's your thought on this odd thing that just happened and involves me? Something wrong with rayn, dunno what. I'm confused on storr, would give him a null or if he's experienced, I'm not sure if I should be leaning scum. To me, there's very little there. I was really surprised to hear StorrZerg is not a new player, considering he's played in newbies recently. That makes me a bit confused about how to read him. As the StorrZerg I watched play in newbie game, I'd give him a null, but if he's supposed to be more experienced I'm not so sure if I should be instead leaning scum on him. If he's new he's null. If he's experienced, I DUNNO whether i SHOULD be leaning scum on him FOR NO REASONS WHATSOEVER. He's wishy washy on whether he should do something for no reason. I actually really dislike that bit. Even if he's asking for information, if you read it that way, what's he DOING with his question? He wants to know whether storr is new or not? So that he can either be null or be unsure whether he should be scummy on storr for unknown reasons? While he does ask for the information later, he doesn't do anything with it. Storr isn't mentioned at all in thread after he wants to know new/not, and we still don't know why new/not actually matters (or, given the SHOULD in his statement, whether new/not DOES matter). He's later compatible with VE for mayor, having never mentioned any of VE's lynch choices (or VE). Skan calls him out on this, and LM gives a very very very bland answer On November 16 2013 18:17 LoneMeow wrote: That is the white bread of answers. That is skim milk. He looks town to me and his lynch choices have been reasonable, although I liked the earlier choices more than the current ones I think. You poke at him, and he responds that BC's early reads are agreeable, and he's pushing not pro-town players. Which would mean grack, never mentioned at all by LM, and ... storrzerg? Who LM was either null on or maybe should be scummy on, but was unsure. I dunno. I actually really dislike that filter. Yamato, yamato, yamato! You have now been summoned! Do you care to give any insight into mason chat from LM? Is there...stuff there? | ||
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On November 18 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who dat is?austin you are really weak as the only person you think scum is a quite new lurker who played his last game exactly like this and got lynched on D2 as a medic-. Also, is this LM? Also, how you feel about his play this game? | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wut? No, I actually don't know if it's LM you're talking about. So you just call him scum and leave yourself an out by saying "if he is newbie he is null"? Which is it? Is he scum or not and why are you not interested in finding out if he is a newbie or not and how he plays? If it is, how do you feel about his play this game? I don't care whether he's new or not, or is being worn as a skinsuit by someone else. His play this game doesn't make me smiley face regardless of whether he's new or not. | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah, was referring to LM's asking whether storrzerg was new or not, I don't care about LM's newness right now.Yeah i just realized you were talking from LM's perspective on Storr. Anyways i think he is yown because he masoned yamato at the start of the game. He is a lynchbait and i am not interested in him. You say LM is lynchbait. Are you implying that LM is scummy but you think he is town? Or you think LM isn't scummy at all? Do you care at all whether LM has been posting in mason chat? | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:08 VayneAuthority wrote: In my world, the books would be nothing but pictures. Austin can you please post a picture describing your strongest aptitude? I make really good coffee. Very fussy with it, there are all the necessary tools and me with my awesome moose mug getting ready to enjoy it. Other options were math, not really liking lawyerin', and depositing COPIOUS amounts of hair in any bathroom I inhabit despite not being bald and still being relatively hairy. | ||
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On November 18 2013 06:16 StorrZerg wrote: Talk to me about...BC and OOHCHILD. ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.engage me with something to chat about austin plox Because you are poking here, I will go first. I don't like the way BC looks. I see very little effort from him D1, apart from making a good post on you and grack, but a post I think both alignments of BC could/should have made. Otherwise, he really comments on little, apart from wanting VE/SS in vests, and his reads are ... 2 that he has been going on about for a while, and poking Hiro and BH. How do you feel about him as a whole? What's the most important thing he's done after calling you and grack out? I will not say anything about OOHCHILD, and instead YOU will talk about him. Yessssssss. | ||
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Beyond that, you found BC coming out of an argument townish. How do you feel about his play as a whole? He's not perfectly slotted into the "has a big townie rush then fades forever" thing that some vet players do when they role scum (can't keep the act going, just kind of ride a couple townie things until they get blowed up), but he's toeing that line. And I'm just not seeing much of substance from him, he follows grack and storr, pokes a little at mayoral stuff without doing anything, and gives a reads post involving the addition of BH and Hiro, who, no surprise, he's scummy on. They're not tough reads to just slot in anywhere. You cool with his specific play as a whole? | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:26 Alakaslam wrote: Read my posts around that time, slam. You're misconstruing what I wanted to do.Then you should be suspicious of Austinmcc- I helped him put SuperSoft up and he switched to VE on me. I wanted VE > Supersoft > yamato. I voted super instead of myself to push him up to even with yamato (it was 9-8-7 VE/Yam/Super iirc). So it hit 9-8-8 iirc, with yamato still being pardoner. Then you voted ss, which made it 9-8-9, and i was safe to hop onto VE, the guy I ultimately wanted to win. I did not want someone to pop in and knock ss over VE and into mayor. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:36 Blazinghand wrote: i THINK this was supposed to be BC*this would be a great reason to call me scum if I did any of these things, but I definitely haven't been active enough to do any of that. I've made like 3 posts this game Not sure. | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:46 StorrZerg wrote: @austinmcc thoughts? don't think you responded, i know i took a while :/ You get slight townpoints for half of your view of BC being in relation to his post on yourself? For whatever reason, I kind of like that you're focused on why he's attacking you and why you think he's wrong about you. In my head, you're trying to figure out why he's wrong about you. If you were scum, then he's correct, and maybe you fight his read and call him scum or whatever, but you KNOW he's right and so I don't think you can put quite as much emphasis on his read. Minor though. Minor points. The rest is...stuff I agree with but was also already in thread. Not a lot to do with it As far as your read on OOHCHILD...I'd like to see more? You lay out some clear thoughts on him, but end up null leaning town. What, out of the things you identified, do you think is MOST important out of everything he's done? The early bits? His read post? His saying he was masoned with skan? Either most important as far as getting a read on OOHCHILD or most important as far as him contributing to the game as a whole. Also, he doesn't explain his reads. What's the one you LEAST agree with? If you had a toddler and he had a toddler, would you pit your kid against his kid in a kidfight to the death, where the strength of each toddler would be based on the correctness of your read on the person in question? ... which one are you sure he's wrong on and you feel different, sure enough you'd risk your real or hypothetical kid's life? | ||
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On November 18 2013 07:59 Alakaslam wrote: Tee hee.Well it is in my filter on page Wait Wtf ...yeah I forgot This also feels townie? It better not just be a ploy, or I shall be cross with you. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:37 Pandain wrote: I remain curious about this.However this is poor play because it invites the real tracker to then claim in thread which would be absolutely awful because then mafia would know that is the true tracker. We don't know if there IS a tracker. If there is a tracker, we don't know how many. (1) Why does there have to be a tracker? (2) Why would some other tracker claim, given that setup is semi-open, and he doesn't know how many trackers there are? (3) IF there could only be one tracker, and BH claims tracker, why would the real tracker claim? Doesn't he believe now that BH is scum for fakeclaiming? Why does he reveal himself as a tracker when he COULD just call BH scum, get people to try and lynch BH (because let's be honest, BH hadn't done anything that really made him look super townie)? | ||
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Buncha masons doesn't mean there are ANY roles. It might mean this game is ONLY masons as power roles, balanced between town and scum, and nothing else needs to be there (I feel like there's been one or two games with a ton of a single role, i THINK it was mason too). Trackers would usually be in games where other people have night actions. I would expect trackers to counterbalance cop/doc/vigi/RB, because you want trackers when you have mafia night actions. Trackers don't care about no masons. There may be times where folks counterclaim and find out there are extra docs/cops or whatever, but this is DAY ONE of a semi-open game with 30 something people. I agree that we can all play poorly, but I dunno about someone randomly "counter"claiming tracker just because BH randomly posts some stuff and claims tracker. Seems farfetched. At the very least, I think you're making a LOT of assumptions to get to a point where you can say "If A, then X, if B, then Y." You're relying on so many assumptions about tracker numbers and blue behavior, just to get to a variety of possible conclusions. That seems muy shakioso. Where that's spanish for very shaky. | ||
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On November 18 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i do not think they are necessarily town. And i do not think BH's claim makes him anything. I am not saying you are not allowed to call him scum, but you have focused on his claim for like latest 20 posts of yours. It's useless because his claim does not make him anything. ^ | ||
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If you want to argue about why he might or might not be scum because he might or might not be tracker, then I firmly believe it's a waste of time. Even if YOU don't, "AMG IS BH FUR REALZ?" is a great chance for scum to be active about something that doesn't matter. If he's scum, people can go OH YEAH I GOT DEM BIG BALLZ I WAS RIGHT. And other people can go OH NO I GOT LIL BALLZ I WAS WRONG. Same if he's town. But either way, it's not determinative of YOUR alignment whether you're right about BH or not, you're just guessing. And in doing so, you're providing fertile ground for mafia players to post a bunch about a thing that is a topic of conversation but is actually just useless speculation. Speculation good. Giving mafia places to hide bad. Don't do it. Plox. | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:04 OOHCHILD wrote: /batmanvoicepretty useless list with zero research behind it... poe scummers BloodyC0bbler Mattchew Coagulation Hopeless1der Stutters695 Mr. Cheesecake LoneMeow Alakaslam WHERE'S THE SALSA!? | ||
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On November 18 2013 09:37 Blazinghand wrote: I'm sorry for the boring night I am tracking Austin. If I die id put him and grack as top reads. my read on yam is conditional. I left some reasoning with my mason partner since if I reveal what I think about yam meta he will game it. | ||
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(1) OOHCHILD came off very townie to me.
(2) Mig is town.
(3) I like the BH lynch. Someone touched on this i think, but didn't hammer it home. Read this post - + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 16:32 Blazinghand wrote: I think so. in a moc/grack/foo scumteam, grack is a weak link. Moc wants to live for multiple days and get his shots off, so it's a reasonable bus. It also ties in with grack's playstyle, the troll-serious-troll thing. Moc can back off his bus if he needs to, saying "oh that was grack trolling" or something, or he can ramp up the pressure if he thinks a grack lynch is coming, and he wants credit. Both are reasonable. It's a pretty flexible bus and it makes sense with the moc role. Look at dat. IF MOCSTA WERE BUSSING GRACK HE WOULD HAVE SHOT GRACK FOR SUPER DUPER FREE TOWN CRED. So not only could mocsta NOT bus anything D1 because it was mayoral, but mocsta COULD have bussed super duper sexy hard if he really wanted to. BH's reasoning for the mocsta/grack interaction reads SO illogical to me that it's just more fuel. It's not a case of not reading the thread, mocsta flipped assassin. ANYONE who thinks mocsta was bussing grack has to account for the fact that mocsta couldn't lynch anyone D1 and could have shot anyone N1. ##vote: BH (4) There's a separate post coming on some thrawn stuff (5) Koshi, why would you suggest that if BH flips town, we lynch a top scumread of his as one of the double lynches tomorrow? Someone else called you out for essentially saying we should follow a dude who, if town, has stated he doesn't have much time and isn't keeping up. But why would we EVER give a lynch to a single dude after death over town consensus? (6) rayn no longer scummy, imo. He's way way way too spammy, but oh well. He followed up on questions about Holyflare when nobody was discussing HF and he could have sat on other topics, he's made some good points today, and while I feel like he's...trying to post in too many directions at once for right now, i like MOST of them. Although he's been spammy and the thread is difficult to catch up with, it's not difficult to catch up with because rayn has been having THE SAME shitfight with people. He's spammy in a bunch of different directions, most of them townie and good, and that's a big positive, imo. It means less likely he's intentionally clogging thread, because he shouldn't be starting new discussions if he just wants to clog (or should start only meaningless discussions). (7) If VE were scum and posted a list D1 of 5 or whatever people to shoot, I would expect there to be scum on it. Never hard and fast rule, but if you think he's scum because so many of his possible D1 kills were town, then I'd be interested in hearing whether you think UNFLIPPED people on that list are likely scum (if VE is scum). (8) Probably a separate post on BC as well? I'll do thrawn and BC solo in separate posts. (9) I did not get the sense that HF was trying to read me in mason chat. I gave him a pass early, thought about going back to look, but never did, felt I was doing some stuff in thread and stuck with that. So...I didn't feel that EITHER of us was really trying to tease out the other's alignment. I was curious that he might find me slightly scummy, but never for super articulated reasons beyond the very obvious (amg he active but no reads, wut dis?)/ (10) ss also looks good for wanting to kill rayn to save the thread. He's had good posts today, the mocsta thing makes him look good as well. Everyone can say "but maybe he wouldn't have actually killed mocsta if we elected him!!!!" Nobody cares. Yes, he might have done any number of things, he could have spammed nothing but goatse pics as mayor. But your speculation over what he might have done holds less weight than his statements about what he was going to do, and saying "I will lynch mocsta with my mayoral lynch" --> "JK dudes, lynching this other guy" --> mocsta ever flipping would look TERRIBLE for ss. Absolutely not worth saying you'll do it and opening yourself up to looking that bad as scum. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care how long you wait for anything from me So i have now been waiting for your scumreads for five days austin. Youstill seem to be having none. I hope you get lynched next. One day, we will play a nice happy game. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:08 Pandain wrote: BC, thrawn looks good but I want to see if I'm overreacting to some stuff, thrawn post in the works nowWho do you think is scum austin besides BH On November 20 2013 09:11 Holyflare wrote: In friendly sarcastic mode, YES IT IS TOTALLY GONNA HAPPEN I'M JUST GONNA BE SUPER AGGRESSIVE FOR THE LAST 45 MINUTES OF THE DAY RAWR RAWR RAWR. So you wrote all of that up just to come to the same conclusion that almost everyone in the thread has? (lynch BH). I am going to wait for your other seperate posts on BC etc before I come to an actual conclusion on what you've done with your answers. You said in mason chat that you HAD to be a lot more aggressive today? Is that going to start? Mig and Kush points are pretty useful at least. Got sidetracked, last 48 hours did not go as planned. Working on stuff now, but any aggression can't come D2 because D2 practically over. | ||
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On November 20 2013 09:15 Pandain wrote: I can write shartloads, I love me some writing. I am a spammy mofo.Austin I just find it hard to believe that you can write so much and yet not try to figure out the most important thing in the game: who is scum (1) Figuring out who is town is also helpful (2) Getting information into thread is also helpful and pro-town (3) This one's for everyone, and you can take it up post-game if you'd like. On D1, we had a mayoral lynch. When it became clear that I was not a mayoral candidate, I can call anyone/everyone/nobody scum, and it has mostly the same effect on the lynch. On N1, we actually do not lynch anyone. I can call anyone/everyone/nobody scum, and it has mostly the same effect on the lynch. I just did not care about finding major scum suspects then. I wanted people to speak up, wanted reads from x on y, wanted a nice atmosphere, because to me, those things were MORE important than who I might find to be scum on D1/N1. I don't have a gun. I didn't have a lynch vote, and I don't get to lynch at night. I'd rather spend my time getting people active and getting stuff into thread that I can look at later. Finding out who is scum is the MOST important, but it doesn't happen on its own. Finding town, getting people active, there are LOTS of things that yield finding scum besides be going "HERP IS SCUM AND DERP IS SCUM." | ||
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HERE'S A THING ABOUT THRAWN Within 2 hours of joining the game, he wants me to give him a recap of D1. But not a recap, he really wants people who were active but I find scummy. But not that, he wants people who intentionally posted so as not to get noticed (hid in easy spots?). + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 12:36 thrawn2112 wrote: hey austin.. or whoever but austin I specifically want you to answer this... can you give me a recap of D1 with emphasis on people who were at least above the lurker threshold, but not one the main talking points of D1 because of sneaky reasons? On November 17 2013 13:18 thrawn2112 wrote: lol goddamn can you give me tldr of that and focus on what I asked for you to emphasize? i'm less interested in a play by play and more interested on who you think has been "active" On November 17 2013 13:28 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah I read it. i did not want him to tell me who lurked and who didn't, I want to know if HE has scumreads as per what I asked him to emphasize what i told kush. just forget about anything related to activity. who in your opinion has intentionally posted in such a way that caused them to avoid being talked about? Couple things about that. (1) I don't like when people give moving target tasks. I want x, no I want y, no I wanted z. In this case, he wants a summary, but he actually wants my reads. And he wants my reads of active people, but no, he wants people who posted in a way that they avoided discussion (to me, active =/= that). (2) His conclusion, at the end of that chat, is + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 13:58 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah that's what I was looking for dibs on BH I got this lol you should have just said this o.0 So where do your reads lie and what do you think VE's choice of lynch says about his alignment? i'm out for tonight. my only experience in a large game was as scum and the 100 pages of what austin told me amounts to a lot of trolling/fighting looks like a headache. hopefully 420 will help with that lol VE please bestow that mind meld upon me BH whats up talk to me baby I gots two thoughts here. (1) he wanted a summary from anyone, but specifically me (focus there appears to be on getting a summary, he just replaced in); (2) at the end of our chat, he appears to be fine with the fact that my reads aren't in line with what he wants, and gives credence to my summary of thread (to me, this indicates that I'm not overly scummy. He doesn't call me scummy, he doesn't poke further, he seems happy with where things are at). However, with no intervening posts, I become scummy - + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 15:19 thrawn2112 wrote: I will once he's answered. I didn't like how objective his WoT post was, I was looking for alignment related information (his reads) but what he gave was more of a play by play of the entire game. When I pressed him for scumreads he gave me MRCC and rayn, and the amount of analysis he gave me to back up those reads pales in comparison to the aforementioned play by play. then there's his questions to you which I think he's being artificially stubborn with. I'm pretty sure I know what town austin tries to do with those and I would think that the answers you were giving him are more than enough for him to get a read. so yeah, fuck your super town read lol EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: He asked for a summary of the day from anyone, particularly me, with emphasis on people who were active but scummy. He didn't want to read a summary, and never asked anyone else for a summary. He didn't like that my summary was objective. He moved his request from active scummers to people who were hiding. He seemed fine with my reads/lack of reads at first, and then only later decides it's a scummy point. HERE'S ANOTHER THING ABOUT THRAWN He's somewhat inconsistent. He doesn't like the amount of reads/reasoning I give. That's his thing with me. On November 17 2013 15:19 thrawn2112 wrote: This is his only actual post on my lack of reads. Which is coo. But the lack of analysis I add into reads is naughty naughty. Bad austinmcc, bad. (see rayn's posts for more of the same, but rayn's posts are from rayn, not thrawn).I will once he's answered. I didn't like how objective his WoT post was, I was looking for alignment related information (his reads) but what he gave was more of a play by play of the entire game. When I pressed him for scumreads he gave me MRCC and rayn, and the amount of analysis he gave me to back up those reads pales in comparison to the aforementioned play by play. then there's his questions to you which I think he's being artificially stubborn with. I'm pretty sure I know what town austin tries to do with those and I would think that the answers you were giving him are more than enough for him to get a read. so yeah, fuck your super town read lol However, compare to thrawn on pandain On November 18 2013 16:52 thrawn2112 wrote: I may be a bit biased here, but imo, this is treating similar things ENTIRELY differently. Pandain has no opinions except for BH/SS, on D2, and it's coo that he's honest about it and maybe in the future he needs to have scumreads pretty please. Compare to me being scummy for GIVING some reads, just not based on the shifting factor that thrawn wanted, just not giving them detailed enough.lol at least you're honest about it you do know that at some point you will need to talk about scumreads? if you don't have any scumreads why are you wasting everyone's time posting about nothing instead of filter diving or whatever? make sure that your next post in the thread includes what I've asked for Also note that, in his list of likely scummers, On November 20 2013 03:12 thrawn2112 wrote: pandain is #2. His #2 scumread (although this is over a day later when pandain = #2 scumread, we don't know how he read pandain at the time), was okay not giving scumreads, because he was honest and maybe he needed some in the future. However, it was most definitely not cool for me to only give a couple and not in the detail he wanted right when he had just joined the game.in order of likeliness scum are grack pandain (one of HF or Austin, their mason chat was way too friendly and I don't detect any real suspicion coming from either of them) oats EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: thrawn (i think) finds me scummy for lack of scumreads/detailed reads, beyond 2 I gave him. thrawn half-jokes with pandain that it's okay he only has thoughts on two people, but maybe he should have scumreads later. thrawn is also more scummy on pandain than on me. This behavior does not make sense if he's town, as we should BOTH be scummy for this, especially if pandain scummy for other reasons and so already looks bad to thrawn. HERE IS ANOTHER THING ABOUT THRAWN For not entirely clear reasons, BH claimed assassin AND said he was fakeclaiming tracker to thrawn in alleged mason chat. But Thrawn calls BH townie early today, sticks with it On November 18 2013 08:41 thrawn2112 wrote: IF SOMEONE CLAIMS ASSASSIN AND TRACKER AND NOT REALLY TRACKER IN MASON CHAT WITH ME I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN SUPER TOWNIE AND I MIGHT WANT TO BRING THIS TO THREAD'S ATTENTION EARLIER RATHER THAN JUST CALLING HIM TOWN BASED ON SECRET MASON STUFF. panda i'll vouch for bh. he's been townily cooperative in mason chat I do not understand how Thrawn has handled his BH read and his releasing of mason logs to town IF he is town. HERE IS I THINK ONE LAST THING THAT WILL TIE INTO A BC POST Thrawn likes BC, finds him the towniest vet, and seems to agree with a lot of what he's posted. This is only important if you see the world as I do, and will be fleshed out with another post. + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote: BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff? Implying BC is to be given credence On November 19 2013 01:45 thrawn2112 wrote: oats read gracks filter. what has he done besides not commit to actual scumhunting and resort to trolling whenever people try to get him to commit to scumhunting? ignore mocsta. tbh I agree with BC 100% on his analysis of moc's posts concerning grack and BH has made good points about the possible interactions between moc/grack. but ignore all of that. what is your read on grack when you ignore all of that? @BC BC's mocsta/grack analysis so goooood On November 19 2013 08:24 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey super Who do you want me to mason tomorrow out of: VE BC yourself On November 20 2013 06:43 thrawn2112 wrote: STUFF lol actually no i'm not lynching BC. imo he's the towniest out the vet group and I distinctly remember marv participating in a heated discussion about balancing teams can everyone on BH look and panda and grack one more time? 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BC attacks the mocsta/grack bit based mainly on mocsta's play in Personality 2. BC has good reasons for using that as a sounding board. Looking over how Mocsta plays mafia in personality 2 has led me to a bit of insight into his current game. Given that it is one game that I have looked at as its one of the A) large games B) full of big names I think its the best pool to work with. Couple things. I was scum with mocsta in Personality 2. I didn't quite remember things the same. And I remember a different scum game of mocsta's. (1) I coached town for one of mocsta's newbie games in which he was scum. VE, you coached the scum team, and I thought you'd talk about this but you did not and it makes me sad and I give you - town points for that. That's a minus, not a hyphen. (SHIT SHIT I JUST LOOKED AT THREAD AND VE ISN'T ALIVE ANYMORE AND HE'S A BUTT BUT THAT DOESN'T HELP ME HERE) (ALSO WTF THRAWN YOU WERE THE OTHER TOWN COACH WITH ME HOW DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THIS AND SPEAK UP AT ALL?) Newbie 37 and Mocsta's filter therein Just look at pages like...3-any other number. Mocsta's sole goal that game, from the very start, was to be very active and overall just a distraction to ANY useful discussion. He wants an RNG lynch. He fights with people who don't. He spams. He has SEVENTEEN pages of filter in a NINETY TWO page game (i.e., his posts are almost 20% of the thread). I repeat, mocsta is almost 20% of that game. Now, it's a newbie setup, so there are less players and that's more reasonable, but it's a NINETY TWO PAGE NEWBIE GAME MAINLY BECAUSE HE WAS SO SPAMMY AND GOT EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT NONSENSE AND CRAP. He also talks to Mandalor, one scumbuddy, and starts to call him scum on D2. If you check his N1 will, his N2 will, mandalor is a scum suspect, and from D2 onwards he's top 2 scumreads. Mocsta PERFECTLY WILLING to interact with scumbuddies, but without raging at them/being emotional (In Newbie 37, mocsta is on mandalor's case for reasons, gives a read, isn't fighting with mandalor the same way he is with grack here). He does not mention sevryn, his other scumbuddy, at all (From what ctrl + F tells me?) I specifically remember his play that game because it made me very scummy on him. There was no letup, it was just spam and misdirection. Mocsta took the keys to the game, drank a couple 40s, and zig zagged down the road while driving that game, singing christmas carols in his dirty underwear and throwing bottles at people. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: LOOK AT MOCSTA'S FILTER. ALMOST 20% OF THE GAME. VERY SPAMMY. PUSHES RNG. POSTS NONSENSE. It shows that he DOES think about the game, he plans how to act, but he's not necessarily careful with posting, he CAN absolutely post shitloads of crap if he wants. (2) Personality 2 was wonky. Flawless scum victory, marv and foolishness infighting, us having the power to fake-flip corazon for like 12 hours and then town LOSING THEIR MINDS. Ver not even reading his scum role PM apparently. I don't know how super accurate it is for normal scum play (my normal scum play is way worse than in that game, fo sho). Not to mention that THE ENTIRE THEME OF THE GAME WAS TO PLAY AS SOMEONE ELSE. He was also masoned with promethelax as part of his themed power, at least for a bit, and could kill off his mason buddy. His personality filter is here. If you go read it, like don't take BC's word, don't take my word, go read it, you see him tunnel towncora as scummocsta. It's not as ANGRY, this is true. There's lots of egging on, accusing cora of ad hominems, accusing him of never addressing what he should, about being concerned only with image, but if Personality 2 is 100% indicative of how scum mocsta interacts with townies, his back and forth with grack looks DIFFERENT than his main back and forth in personality (IF). And while he played MOSTLY serious, read towards the end of the game. You get stuff like: On March 18 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote: WEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEEOOOWEE THIS IS THE THREAD POLICE. LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY TO THIS PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT If you read our QT (don't, it was like 1000 posts), you get stuff like post 836 doneski or 829-831and agreed Q: What did the hurricane say to the coconut palm tree? A: Hold on to your nuts, this is no ordinary blow job! mocsta, why the fuck are you pulling a scumread on me out of thin air? mocsta, that post sounds so fake... no need to do unnecessary things. leave acro be LOl i love the reaction And more! Which is to say that BC's very neat and clean picture of mocsta as a super srs, thinks about his posts, is careful with what he posts, scumplayer is...not true. It's not true within that game. While a lot of his posts read serious, he WAS dicking around, and, and this is important, write it down, write it down, mocsta again KNOWS when he's being silly/spammy/stupid, he specifically can post things that aren't very planned and are off the cuff.cos im bored.. its not gonna change anything NOW PUT THAT TOGETHER BC QUOTE In fact he doesn't really like causing a ton of confrontation period. He carefully and calmly writes his posts. In Personality he opted to tunnel corazon until he died. Mocsta is FINE with confrontation. We didn't NEED confrontation in Personality, because we stomped that game. He is HAPPY to spam, happy to post RNG nonsense, happy to dick around when he thinks game is done. Not careful and calm, imo, and NOT afraid of confrontation. We just didn't need confrontation in Personality, again, town just devolved with a couple pushes from us and we sat back and watched.He makes basic comments on situations but only enough to appear active / fan the flames. HE IS HAPPY TO SPAM WHEN HE WANTS TO DO THAT.Now, BC is CORRECT when he says that the mocsta/grack interactions are DIFFERENT than any Personality 2 interactions. Mocsta DID fling some shit at cora that game, but in an understated way. However, THAT WAS ALL HE NEEDED TO DO. BC is NOT correct in saying mocsta always careful with posts. Doesn't interact with team. Some of these other things. I DO think that BC read Personality 2. I DO think he gave a quick summary of mocsta's play. BUT ---> I think BC missed the context of P2. I think BC did not read all mocsta's stuff. I know for a fact that mocsta can play very different scum games, he CAN be spammy and disruptive, and he can do that ON PURPOSE. i.e. --> him being careful isn't a thing, because he can be careful or spammy, either one, if he thinks it suits him. GRRRR THIS POST IS TOO LONG I AM SORRY THESE ARE ACTUALLY REALLY SMALL THINGS I'M TRYING TO SAY. THIS HAPPENS IF I MAKE A COUPLE BIG POSTS IN A ROW, I WILL CLEAN THIS UP IN A SECOND WITH AN EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. Look at BC's posts today. SO MANY are ... either (1) dealing with mocsta/grack; (2) assorted comments on BH's roleclaim; (3) calling out a bunch of players for being useless/garbage. What you don't see is him really...pushing any discussion FORWARD, apart from grack. If you agree with his grack read/his mocsta stuff, you think he's scumhunting and trying to keep people on grack. 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Thrawn, can you...can you explain to me a couple things? (1) How the me/pandain not giving reads thing worked for you, just...stream of consciousness throughout game? (2) Do you remember Mocsta in Newbie 37? (3) If so, Y U NO SAY SOMETHING? (4) If you read Newbie 37 filter, do you still agree 100% with BC's analysis of grack/mocsta? (5) If yes/no, why? And what does it say about BC to you? | ||
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(1) Mocsta played a very spammy/disorganized/calling scumbuddy out game as scum. It's newbie 37. You can read it. (2) Personality 2 is a bad game to look at. It was themed. Mocsta was supposed to play as someone else. We stomped that game. You can also see mocsta making plenty of jokey posts, because he was bored. (3) I think BC's summary of mocsta's scum play is bad. Unsure if INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENT or no. (4) I think BC's play today has been analyze mocsta's scum play/say fuck a lot/comment on side matters. (4) does not make me feel good about BC. He is too reactive, never proactive, and his mocsta stuff, the main contribution from him today, is not something I feel is super trustworthy/accurate. I am also concerned about thrawn for connected reasons. Thrawn saw mocsta in Newbie 37. But he agreed with BC's analysis 100%. I want to know more about this. | ||
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On November 20 2013 10:57 Holyflare wrote: I think you're conflating two things?Also austin why has your stance on mocsta suddenly changed in favour of lynching bc when in the mason chat you couldn't get a scum read on him??? + Show Spoiler + Austinmcc: There's nothing in his filter really for me. I think he misrepresented some stuff from storrzerg early on, but not in a way that screams scum. I agree with artanis that some of his poking has looked a bit opportunistic, but when I read mocsta's filter, I'm not really sold at him being scummy. The only scum game I remember of mocsta's was one of his newbies and I was coaching town. He was relatively adept at....trying to do a thing, trying to post a certain way in order to get to x or y later down the road. I don't know if that's a constant theme of his games, but it made me think that he plays a scumgame aimed at setting up lynches/thoughts/pitting people against each other, and I don't get much of that from his play this game. My stance on MOCSTA was that I couldn't get a scumread on him. My stance on mocsta has changed because he flipped red. My stance on BC yesterday was that I did not like his play, found him kind of scummy. + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 11:28 austinmcc wrote: He actively engaged me early when he didn't need to, which I found mildly townie. His return post on grack I didn't care too much for. BC can make that post as either alignment, it doesn't say much. The most interesting thing in his return is the stuff at the tail end, the quick minor lists of reads:That bit looks decent there, including the response to yamato, which I'm fine with. But after being suspicious on rayn, he...he has this weird interaction. He asks rayn about risen, agrees to look at rayn's HF case, seems to find 2/3 of the 3 points rayn made on HF unconvincing + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list The train of thought there, as I read things, is: (1) rayn is on my watch list; (2) rayn made this case; (3) I don't like 2 of his 3 points; (4) the 3rd is good therefore I will consider rayn's target maybe scummy. Within the development of BC/rayn, I never saw BC call out rayn as TOWN, or specifically like anything rayn said and find it super awesome. Which leaves me wondering why rayn, who was suspicious a moment ago, has a single good point and two bad points on HF, yet HF now jumps up BC's lynch list. He engages Artanis which I like okay, gives Artanis a task, follows up, has clearly actually looked into Grackaroni. Overall, the BC read on rayn/HF is confusing to me, and I would like to hear what he was thinking throughout that. Otherwise, I don't want to lynch him, but I really really really don't want him in office. I think his grackaroni suspicion is supported by real stuff, but it's stuff he can find well enough as town OR mafia, and there's nothing in his filter that makes me confident he's actually town. A lot of his posting has been addressing side issues (his hatred of trolling, his thoughts re: storrzerg's newbieness or lack thereof), and if you eliminate side issues and grackaroni, his filter is very very meh (hopeless should post more/better, AMG SUCH A TOWNIE THOUGHT). I think that IF he's very obviously town, he's a fine person to slap a vest on. But I do not read him as such, and I would not want him voted for anything right now. On November 17 2013 03:20 austinmcc wrote: And a bunch of other posts where I ask people about their BC reads, ask for updates, etc.Still of the mind that his big post on grack/storr is not something to draw a read off of. I don't know about you, i THINK it was Acrofales and not you that I was scum with once and we were chatting about opportunities to make very townie housecleaning/scumhunting posts in the middle of shitfights while being scum. HolyFlare and...was it rayn? Yes. Were fighting, being spammy, trying to take control of the thread and rayn was really trying to get discussion centered on his HF case. There were a LOT of folks not being examined yet, it was early, and I think BC as town OR scum would notice that thread really needs a half-decent case at someone in that un-examined group to (a) turn discussion towards something more fruitful and (b) get AWAY from rayn/HF. It's not scummy to do that, but it's not as townie as other people make it out to be. The rest of his filter...there's a lot of side stuff. Discussions over ss and VE mayoral candidacies. Questioning yamato's townieness re mayor/pardonership. Apart from his one sizeable reads post, I see way more discussion of side issues or sniping at little things than I like. Towniest thing in his filter for me is him pointing you towards a specific grack game to read. But for all his posts, there isn't much of substance. Certainly don't want him elected, mildly scummy on him. Just way too much about hating trolls, skorr not being a noob, hopeless not having contributed enough, who should be mayor, it's all...not scumhunty, and it rarely/never leads anywhere. My turn. If I may, let's mix things up a little. BOTH ONEGU AND HOLYFLARE, GO! Or in mason chat - "I'm currently not loving BC, not loving cheesecake, not loving lonemeow (but I have zero experience with the guy), and generally not very sure on anything." (/m57) The way that BC has acted today has not improved my read on him. 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On November 20 2013 11:34 Holyflare wrote: His red flip changes my read on him, yes. I am now 100% convinced that mocsta was scum.Your stance on mocsta was you couldn't get a scum read because he wasn't demonstrating anything you saw that applied to the newbie game. His red flip should not change this at all. BC is scummy for the reasons I linked in my post. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will draw a picture for you in a bit.Yeah and pardoner is pro-scum role and better than mayor if the mayor lynches town on D1. Also as people have said supersoft said he will lynch Mocsta. So i don't see the problem here. The problem is that methinks you are wrong about ss's alignment. And meknows you're wrong about me. And the scenarios you are creating don't really make the BEST sense. So I think you need to reexamine. | ||
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On November 20 2013 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't make perfect sense. You can FORCE it to make sense if you super want to. But it doesn't sit there and make sense.Don't twist the argument. You said it does not make sense for you two to be scum i said it makes perfect sense if you are scum. Now how does it not make sense if you are both scum again? Pardoner is a nice scum role, but it's only REALLY good at the end of the game. Mayor gives you a free lynch, NO CHANCE of some asshat townie ruining your game by lynching mafia. I don't think you can actually say, "NO! THIS ROLE IS BETTER. THE END! RAWR!" You're also really focused on him saying he'd lynch mocsta. He MIGHT have lynched someone else. But you don't know that, and you have absolutely no reason to believe, based just on his posts then, that he wouldn't lynch mocsta. You THINK he's scum for other reasons, so you work his comment on mocsta to make sense from a scum POV. But, on its own, you have no reason to believe there's a lie there. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:33 Grackaroni wrote: It's best at/near endgame to spring as a trap and cut a day off town's count, maybe preserve a crucial NK at the very end.I don't even see why pardoner is a good scum role. If somebody I want to lynch gets pardoned I'm just going to lynch SS. It's not very good early/mid, or at least NOT on a more veterany player, because you give yourself up to save someone else and that's maybe not a good trade | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: This bit is important though lol are you guys fucking dumb? If supersoft is scum he is now one time lynchproof and we can't even vig him because he has a vest so yeah, pardoner not a good scum role totes... | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:49 Holyflare wrote: scumaustin I don't think has ever been this dumb. You're suggesting that i read ss LOOKING AT mocsta, and within the same minute, post that I'm moving my vote, despite already saying the order I wanted and why I had voted ss in the first place (and noting that someone had moved onto ss so I didn't need to be there anymore).I am not implying ss is scum. I am implying austin could be. Ya, same minute. But not nefarious. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:50 Koshi wrote: Naw. I like that you are reading and thinking about the game though austin do you love me for defending you? But it takes more than that to earn my undying love. Okay. So grack, is there a...a reason to lie here? | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: The case isn't purely based on that. Also, he was coaching that game. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume people read games they coached in.austin i don't like your case on thrawn at all. It seems to be based on some old game thrawn in your opinion should have read but didn't. Isn't that pretty weak? Look at the way he treats my lack of reads, both the difference between his IMMEDIATE reaction and his later reaction. Then look at the difference between how he treats my lack of reads and pandain's lack of reads. To me, those things indicate that he's not actually working the game out, because he's reacting ... incorrectly? Or differently, to situations that are similar. (A and B are scumreads. A and B both do a thing you find scummy. For A, it's rainbows but then wait, no, it's scummy. For B, it's otay). Beyond that, regardless of whether he actually read/remembers Newbie 37, look at the difference between his reaction to BC's meta-argument and ... say Mig. Mig looks through mocsta's filter, to see if BC is pulling out only what he wants to. Mig concludes that mocsta attacked way more people than BC says, and calls BC out on it. He critically attacks BC's argument. Thrawn 100% agrees with BC's meta-argument. He does not appear to look for other instances of mocsta angry/insulting this game, from what we see. He does not appear to look for other instances of scum-mocsta and see whether or not BC is just cherry-picking a game/certain arguments. Granted, A WHOLE FRIGGIN LOT OF PEOPLE seem to have blindly accepted or dismissed BC's argument without looking critically at it (Personality 2 was themed, in Personality 2 we were supposed to be imitating other people, Personality 2 was a flawless victory for mafia so unsure if it's 100% indicative of how mafia would act in a normal game, etc., yet Personality is the one and only scummmocsta game used for comparison). But thrawn was already on my watch list, and the way that he reacted to BC's mocsta/grack stuff felt different than anyone else's reaction to it. If BC is mafia, then I think both the different reactions to Pandain/I, the way he was initially questioning me, and the fact that he reacted differently to hypothetically-mafia-BC's grack/mocsta stuff than anyone else at the time all indicate he da mafia. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Past games is fine, I do tend to remember them heavily.Austin: I have to agree i did not really care about BC's meta-reference of Mocsta and it might be i should have looked more closely into it. I also agree it's weird thrawn seems to be thinking BC is the towniest of the vet group. I have no idea why he thinks so. hmm.. I disagree with your/Pandain's lack of reads. I have no idea what you are referring to but thrawn thinks you are both scum, and tbh Pandain has given out reads pre-N2 and you did not. That's a fact, you had zero scumreads besides a weak read on some lurker i don't even remember and a scumread on me which you told HF not to follow. I also disagree with that thrawn should have looked into some old games. I know a lot of people do not remember old games, even from last month. I hate that because i know i do remember them (as you seem to aswell), i could probably give quite accurate playerlist from LoTR mafia from 2011 and the happenings each phase, but really.. most people don't. I don't think that isa good reason to accuse someone. If it was the last game or even close to present, it could be a reason. In this instance i think it's kinda reaching. Thrawn does think we're both scum. Couple things though - I think that if you look at players I mentioned as scummy. Not called out super heavily and said HEY VE LYNCH THIS GUY LYNCH THIS GUY, but if you look through my filter and my mason chat, you can identify people I found scummy - cheesecake, BC, LM, and you. You're considering, as like 3 of your top couple reads, BC, LM, and myself. Which I find odd, given that two of the people I was really pushing for reads on, and actually GAVE scummy reads on, were BC and LM on D1. But that's a side matter. I'm fine if you want to discount not remembering past games well, I couldn't tell you what others did in that game, except for a few people that were actively seeking coaching, but I remember specifically that there was a newbie in which mocsta was scum and shat all over the thread. So the no remembering is fine. But his reaction to BC throughout is wonky. As far as pandain and I, i'm not arguing we're different. I'm saying Thrawn's response to my lack of reads and his response to pandain's lack of reads were different. Same conduct, from two scumreads, but a different REACTION from thrawn towards that. I interpret that as him making reads up, because his reaction to the same/similar conduct should be same/similar, given that we were both scumreads of his. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:47 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey thrawn!hi austin Can you talk to me/us about your BC read? | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's TOTALLY my D1 and N1. Absolutely. There's no lynch N1, and D1 lynch was mayoral.Austin: But the thing is you were not calling anyone scum. You can just say shit about anyone when the conclusion does not end up in a scumread. I do not care what you have said in some mason chat. You did not try to affect to the lynch at all, you were just asking questions left and right. That's my impression from your D1, N1 and D2, and i understand everyone who thinks so. Because that's what happened. You had no scumreads, at least you didn't say so in thread. And yes, all I say is that BC is mildly scummy at some point. But look at my filter and how many times i reference him. Ask people about him. Ask for updated reads on him. It should be clear that: (1) I'm trying to get a very solid read on BC; (2) I'm pushing others to look at him and examine him; and (3) I'm critical of those who super <3 him or super <3 his early anti-grack/anti-storrzerg post. If you think he's scum and I'm scum, you think that on D1 I'm just snipey snipey snipey at a scumbuddy, and trying to convince people to reread him more critically? (Bonus points, is scum austin willing to poke at his teammates?) Same with LM. I'm not running around going LM IS SCUM LM IS SCUM, but ... heck. WE, the two of us, had a discussion about him. Where I said he hadn't done anything and didn't like his filter. I ask yamato what he's been doing in mason chat (trying to get more info/discern alignment). I have a back and forth with you where you think he's the bee's knees. You are looking at this through the lens of how you have played this game or think others should have played this game (ALWAYS CALL PEOPLE SCUM NEVER NOT CALL PEOPLE SCUM). But there are multiple ways to go about things. At the very least, you need to notice that ONE of your scum suspects is really poking around TWO of your other scum suspects. Whether he goes THEY ARE SCUM THEY ARE SCUM THEY ARE SCUM or whether he gives other indicia that he's (1) concerned about them; (2) wants to know more; (3) doesn't see why people are so towny on them...either way, it's an indicator that they're not on the same scumteam. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote: Okay. One question now, and then I'll ask more at a later time then.ask me every question you can think of regarding all things BC and i will promise that I will give you my exhaustive analysis tomorrow i got stuff to do + this game is annoying me so much i don't want to put any more thought into it atm WHAT IS BC'S MIDDLE NAME? | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:10 Holyflare wrote: Absolutely nothing! Austin let me ask you a question, what stops scumaustinmccc asking the same questions about his team mates compared to townaustinmcc? Except that scumaustinmcc really does NOT like talking to/about his teammates and he normally avoids that. Except that austinmcc is aware of this and knows it's a part of his scumgame that he needs to work on. But to the extent that meta matters to you, you can check my scumgames and look for me talking about/to my team. In general, I would think that REALLY swinging a light onto BC and LM, if we were all scum together, would be SILLYPANTS. It's D1. It's mayoral election. I get nothing out of trying to make people look at my scumbuddies critically. All I get is people looking at scum, maybe wanting to lynch them later, and if I'm scum I DO NOT WANT THAT. I could have poked at other people, been active in other ways, etc. etc. So basically, it's just risk/reward. There's not much benefit to trying to get people to reassess their town reads on your scumbuddies if you're scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fo sho. There's no reason to super push and really follow up, because there's no lynch at that point to sway. I'm just talking and trying to get people to look at things.Yeah but you don't actually talk with them. You don't argue about anything. You just ask questions and when someone answers you move on and ask another person about something else. I chat with LM a little, and BC not much at all. Whether I chat with them or not though, it's clear that they are on my mind. This is all side crap right now though. Given that we have grack lying about being a mason (FOR NO REASON!?) and this WHO SHOTTED MOCSTA IN THE FACE dispute, SOMETHING is going down soon or tonight that is going to mess with reads/lynches. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree that grack lying for no reason doesn't make him scum, it makes him RAYN WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING AS TOWN IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP DOING IT AND YOU ARE ENCOURAGING THIS STUFF.nah. I don't think Grack lying makes him scum and i don't think Holyflare or Artanis are scum. As far as HF/artanis, I'm...interested. | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Off the top of my head, yes. Gonna give him a quick reread.Could be. austin are you willing to lynch LM tomorrow? Also, is this the point where I'm supposed to go "if I'm still alive"? | ||
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On November 21 2013 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yup. The sharrant stuff does not, imo, make him magically scum. It makes him not paying attention or trying to be sneaky, but neither more than the other. I've forgotten people died as town before.Have you even read the thread austin? But he's still barely dipping his toes in, he's interacting with scumreads in a friendly way (pandain yesterday), and seems to be...shifting advantageously? I pop up because of not trying to figure out HF's alignment in mason chat, nothing more, despite not being mentioned before. Mattchew is scum out of lurkers because he's useless (as are others), no real oomph behind mattchew over others. I would really like to see him active and posting, but atm got no problems lynching him. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Real?Actually, you are getting shot tonight, by me, and here's why. Given it's been pretty obvious that I was vig by pretty much everyone in the thread despite attempts to make it look less obvious (was masoned with HF so we tried some tricks), I'm pretty sure scum could figure me out. Announcing I was shooting BC means that scum really can't take the risk to not block me if BC is scum. They just can't even if they suspect I'm lying, so the shot would only go through if he's town. If he is in fact town, you look pretty bad. That said, I doubt my shot will go through. Scum will probably have expected me to lie about my target. | ||
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First letters of the sentences in this post was all I did, thought about doing like 10 or 15 posts with the letters, but that was too much. On November 15 2013 12:59 austinmcc wrote: VE, you might get my vote. Except, that's a later consideration. Thinking I might run myself. Or maybe I decide later that your full name is Visceraeyes Scumberto McScumlichnaya. Which is a VERY scummy name, btw. Also my secret code with Holyflare was that I'd use CAT in any srs attack case. You take cats to the vet. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because maybe HF is really the vigi (super unlikely). Because there are multiple ways your shot could fail, and one of them makes people still think I'm scum.Why would you claim that when there's a great chance my shot will get RBed? Now, presuming you're town, you won't get singlestacked ever. And because the downside, me getting doublestacked at some point, is FINE. I'm happy to soak two bullets. I'm happy to go to lategame alive. Either way, it's good for town imo. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In the same way that there's almost no chance scum shot me tonight, there's almost no chance a town doc healed me tonight. I find that incredibly unlikely.Do explain. As for the latter, the point is that scum don't know if you got healed or if you were just a vet that needs another shot. Now, if they've roleblocked me, they know that shooting you once will do zip. You've given them information that will help optimize their night kills. From what I'm hearing, it feels more like you've planned this claim out as a scum than as a townie, and your faction has rbed me. The ways your shot fails --> rb, town doc, scum doc, me being a vet, you lying about being a vigi (doesn't really count). Granted, also super unlikely I get scum doc-ed tonight. If you are/were scum this game, you'd really go "Hmmmm, maybe austinmcc is town and artanis really shot him and a town doc healed austin over someone else"? | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC --> rarely active, when he is he MAINLY focuses on being chatty about side stuff, and his read on grack is very forced, with his other reads just being meh.austin can you just give your top 5 scumreads with a little reasoning so in case you some way die we can look into them? Then probably: LM --> rarely active, reads feel a little forces and opportunistic, the only thing that people like him as town for is masoning yamato instead of nobody, but if he asked for scum assistance last game, no reason he wouldn't this game, and he has a history with yamato that would make him a good buddy target. If nothing else, despite playing a past game with yamato and saving yamato's life there, in mason chat this game he apparently isn't doing boatloads, so it's not like he's super trying to solve the game with his bud. Probably still thrawn. If BC red, thrawn continues to be likely red. Assuming a lurky mafia. Maybe it's mattchew, maybe it's hopeless, maybe it's coag, maybe cheese, RIGHT AT THE MOMENT I don't have a good sense of differentiation between them. On quick passes of filters, I haven't seen anything that really makes me pull them apart, need to do a deeper run. A lot of that is based on hoping we don't have like 6-7 town lurkers in a single game. As far as magical fifth read, dunno. If I'm alive D3 I'll get a little more focused and start trying to narrow down both lurkers and the band of people who are around but difficult to read sometimes. Kush and Mig almost certainly town. Risen likely town, imo. SS likely town although you're right that the mocsta stuff before lynch was more nuanced than we thought, except there was still no reason for SS to bring up a scumbuddy out of the blue right before he MIGHT have control over a lynch if he's scum. You likely town. Koshi likely town. Artanis likely town (although this is a bit lol now). | ||
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- Anyone who is SUPER DUPER focused on lynching into masons tomorrow/later, really talks about that a lot and not other subjects, is mafia just trying to look active and pass as town. Someone being a mason is barely barely ever going to move the needle on their scumminess, imo, because i SWEAR we had a game with 5-6 town masons or something just trying to confuse people. - Mig onto something. If he did shoot sharrant N1, that means we're missing a mafia KP. Likely that it hit an assassin if nobody spoke up? Either that or good job, doctor sharrant. LOOK THROUGH SHARRANT'S FILTER RIGHT BEFORE NIGHT TO SEE IF HE CRUMBED WHO HE SAVED. Ta da, there's a possible townie. (WHY WOULD MAFIA SHOOT USELESS BH? WHY WOULD MAFIA SINGLE SHOT VE? LIKELY THAT SHARRANT GOT A SAVE IMO). I'm looking at his filter now actually. Nevermind, he didn't post at all during night. Maybe see who he was townie on? - I think that's it for good thoughts. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:43 Mig wrote: I guess this is more plausible than I previously thought, but I really hope that a 6 man mafia team didn't sit around believing that claim.I think there is some chance mafia shot bh n1 because they believed his tracker claim, before the tracker flips it was at least somewhat plausible. Still probably not the best shot but at least there is a chance of it. Unless they tried to shoot artanis n1 and sharrant/unknown doc was on him. YOU HEAR THAT MAFIA. IF YOU GUYS SHOT BH I THINK YOU MADE A BAD AND DUMB CHOICE. SHOOT ME, BUT ONLY IF ARTANIS DIDN'T, AND ALSO ONLY ONCE. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:01 Mig wrote: Assuming all notifications went out together, no.austin did you take a shot? | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:04 Alakaslam wrote: Pretend I'm a kindly old uncle!Well 225 pages fortunately I need not read them all I have read your posts this game, and found them legible. You are playing, you want to win and help and solve the game yayayayayaya. So please don't worry too much about spam, or rayn sometimes being rayn, and instead focus on refining your reads and communicating with us. Please? You've kind of dropped off the map recently if I mentally scan back through the last day or two, and there are a couple posts like this. If the thread is too long, then screw us and screw the thread, but do what you can to continue playing and being a positive force. Positivity wins games, and if people need to be occasionally smacked down (spammy rayn) for the sake of a positive thread, that's cool. But continued non-positivity shall be met with question. /uncleoff | ||
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Town sometimes hits townies with the crazy amount of KP. Trackers see townies kill townies, tell thread, we lynch townies, trackers are outed, mafia sometimes medics. I could see that being the case. | ||
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I think everyone rushing to vote, especially on LM, is not good for town. We have 48 hours. We need LM here, giving some reads, having some non-heated back and forth with people, and we need to actively poke other people and look for other lynch options. We also need people to justify their LM votes if they're gonna place em. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mafia / 2 rounded down. There were only two mafia kills last night? How much KP does mafia have? 4? If so that means there were two blocks... They have 5 alive. So only 2 factional KP. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oh.. do we know 100% they started with 6? On November 16 2013 21:33 marvellosity wrote: There are 23 townies, 6 mafia, and 2 assassins. I asked about that D1 and he posted answer in thread. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:22 Risen wrote: Pandain #1 scum read Grack policy lynch I can be convinced to vote for someone not pandain (though I'll have to see something more) but will not be unvoting Grack.. + On November 21 2013 10:23 Risen wrote: Anyone not voting Grack at the end of the day is claiming scum imo. = ? | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:32 Risen wrote: You're voting for him because of POLICY. But people not voting him are scumclaiming? What's the issue? If you think he's 100% scum, then people may be scummy for not voting him. If you have a policy under which he should be lynched, then you're either assuming EVERYONE shares your policy or...are just being sillypants (or I guess are mafia and tripped up?) | ||
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I POLICY LYNCH COAGULATION EVERY GAME. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T VOTE COAGULATION WITH ME D1 IS MAFIA. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:42 Alakaslam wrote: As lynches?Based on this plus who you are voting, I just wrote you off. (Plynching is pro town not true) Thinking Koshi LoneMeow If so, you dislike a BC lynch because you find him town on his own merit or because you find him town + supersoft's bit? | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:46 supersoft wrote: We've got to make the morning lastGuys. i think you travel too fast here. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:51 Alakaslam wrote: kk, just BC is on most peoples' list. Was curious why you went elsewhere.Didn't say I liked bc- I voted him earlier And Koshi did something page 9 of his filter. I want to look at LM now. Hat page is SuperSoft's bit on? I probably haven't read it, and will want to see as I agree with him a lot and positives on BC will be an interesting contrast Supersoft's bit (part of it, with more in his filter ) : + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 09:57 supersoft wrote: I predict, BC is town, Mattchew is scum, Oats is 100% scum. I know where the missing MafiaKP went. On November 21 2013 09:59 supersoft wrote: I am townRBer. I blocked Oats - thats where the KP went. I blocked Mattchew right now. I claimed to BC, he made me pardoner. BC isnt scum otherwise they would have RBed me On November 21 2013 10:25 supersoft wrote: I am afraid, that BC is almost confirmed town in my eyes, if Oats is scum... ss's filter actually a little wonky yesterday with BC reads. | ||
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It's curious. It's a thing to note and watch. At this point it's still a little WIFOM-y, as far as his alignment/supersoft's alignment/people wanting to trick people. But if we lynch scum today and he's been pushing to lynch scum, it looks more questionable. But scum know this, etc. etc. etc. (I think it's a good thing to point out though?) | ||
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slam, please read the soft bits I posted to you. And maybe for a tiny bit you and rayn sit in separate parts of the thread. I AM PUTTING A LINE OF TAPE BETWEEN YOU TWO DO NOT CROSS INTO EACH OTHER'S THREAD SPACE. slam, the supersoft/BC stuff and maybe why LM, plox. rayn, HANDS OFF SLAM. | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:13 supersoft wrote: Real post?scumteam is somewhere in this group: Oatsmaster, Pandain, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, (hiro) thrawn2112 Cuz there are 5 scum left. And you say that the scumteam is somewhere within these 5 people. And I kinda shake my head a little and wonder why you clamor so hard for a vest. | ||
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On November 21 2013 11:20 supersoft wrote: It may be a native/non-native thing, unsure.yeah. scumteam is these 5 people. so what? Saying "somewhere in this group" implies that...you have a group of people and you think the scum is scattered in there somewhere. Like, here are 8 names, the 5 scum are in here somewhere in this group. But giving a list of 5 names when we have 5 scum left is just "here are all the scum." They're not SOMEWHERE IN that group, that group would be your scumteam. | ||
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(1) Why believe that mig is fakeclaiming rather than rayn or vayne? (or at least you appear focused on him, although I know you present the rayn/mig choice to everyone. Also, vayne claimed hatter as well) (2) If mig is NOT a town vigi, then you're presenting the following scenario --> scum shot sharrant N1, either with factional KP (mig is lying about vigi, no factional KP was rbed) or with vigi (mig is scum vigi, factional KP was rbed). Why does mafia, with EITHER kind of KP on N1, shoot sharrant? He was not particularly townie. He was not particularly active. In the world where mig is NOT a town vigi, either a REAL town vigi has not counterclaimed the shot (unlikely) OR scum chose to shoot sharrant over yourself (who you, I assume, are arguing is town) or others. Why does scum shoot sharrant N1? | ||
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Except...I feel like you have merged with rayn. raynycobbler or bloodypelikoneet. I can understand someone saying "ME SO SAD YOU NO DIE" when they have KP and were planning on shooting you, then got mindgamed out of it by another guy with a shot, only to find out the other guy didn't shoot either. That scenario makes plenty of sense as one to say "it would have been nice if you'd died." mig wanted to shoot you, artanis wanted to shoot you, but neither did, oopsies. Sure do wish you got shot. Why is it that you only interpret his statement as foreknowledge of your continued survival, and not as "shucks, wish I'd shot me some BCs"? | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Quoting this because a line here is possibly relevant laaaaaaaaaaaaaterwhat fucking reason? You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me. If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch. And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum. I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HolyFlare seems too delighted every time he finds a little quote or slip or something to be scum. No those are my top 3. Anyone all game would realize ive pushed grack since day 1 and is obviously my #1 on my list. Nice try tho scum. mig is trying to refute your arguments risen is trying to show how much he's not trying oats is doing something i'm occasionally tossing you questions HolyFlare is actively digging back through your filter and into mason chats (ss/pandain), digging up little things and running to thread with them going LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK. I mean that in a good way, I just like that metaphor. I don't buy him for scum at all right now. Again, he appears to be reading, then ACTIVELY FOLLOWING UP ON STUFF, and moving forward with it. Dat ain't da scum way. | ||
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Personal opinion is that today we have some MAJOR warring factions, and the first order of business is to clean some of that out. Like, supersoft/BC and some other stuff all connected, and we start at the top of that and unravel as we go. Personal opinion is that we don't lynch townies to make things blow up. Personal opinion is that hopeless actually looks semi-good, because while he IS doing something similar to BC's Fuckapalooza 2013, hopeless is RIGHT in that all this speculation is clogging up the thread and is...just speculation. Now is not the time. We look at play. We look at reads of the folks who have been NKed. We look at play this game compared to others. But we don't KNOW how many blue roles/KP/vets are what, and it's .... less helpful to discuss about that so much instead of actually zeroing in on who has played scummy regardless of everything else. His outbursts, aimed at saying that, lead towards a townier thread. BC calling everyone idiots did not. Their rage posts may look similar, but they go different directions. For me, the major candidates are BC, supersoft, LM. Secondary options are stuff like oats, grack, whatever. I want to look through this some more though, to make sure I'm not just entirely wrong here, and to really poke around and make sure that urrbody who looks opposite each other IS. Whoever asked about the main case on LM, I don't believe there is one. I know I have a couple posts scattered throughout my filter, and others do as well. Maybe some enterprising youngster can slap em together. | ||
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He asks Onegu about rayn, oats, and pandain. He pokes at slam a little. He asks pandain whether pandain's read on Mig has changed, halfway follows up on that Q with another about Mig. Asks Risen why Risen wants to lynch Pandain, why is Pandain scum? Then, within like 2-3 hours of the pandain questions about mig and the risen question, his top reads are BH/HF/pandain. I don't like the progression for a number of reasons:
Later on, when asked for reads by kush, LM's top reads are pandain/mig/myself. Which would be GREAT is that was continuous, if he finds mig scummy and thinks pandain's flip floppy read on mig at some point didn't make sense, BOOM, there's a dude putting pieces together. Instead it reads like a mishmash of reads, and questions that don't go anywhere. You can also see him respond to posts that are 40 minutes, an hour old, indicating that he's reading the game and following along. But his play is severely limited to mainly answering questions, and apart from a few proactive questions on D2 there's no proactivity. Those proactive questions are also the ones that sort of petered out (Asking onegu about people that were never followed up on). Again, I really want to talk with him and see what he is thinking and maybe have him take some stances on some of the BC/supersoft/oats nonsense. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote: What change of mind?Austin what was the reason for the change of mind on Thrawn? | ||
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/oldmanrant It's like the weather. My left knee started hurting, and that let me know that a low thread pressure system was coming in. In this case, we had a BC front mixing with an easterly supersoft front, and some sublimated oatsmaster being caught up in the ... downdrifts. That's a recipe for a mighty fierce storm, and the winds from that storm are going to pick up threadcows and throw threadpineneedles through trees, and cause all sorts of thread destruction. The township of thrawn, however, appears to be outside of that mess. It's built on a fault line, but the threadstorm won't be swinging through. THIS IS ALL A TERRIBLE METAPHOR AND I'M JUST HAVING FUN. You're right that thrawn should be right there with LM. I'm thinking about this now, but I 100% think we need to lynch into BC/supersoft, both to kill scum and to ... get some things sorted out. Get information on people, get people from being sidetracked on that for longer, etc. Thrawn is scummy to me, but he's not involved in anything that's messing up the thread right now. LM ALSO is not, so that's valid. I don't think I feel confident enough, right now, to identify two super duper definite scum within BC/supersoft/oats, and I don't know that there ARE two there, so I probably end up wanting to lynch LM or thrawn. You right, he should be on there if LM is. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:29 Coagulation wrote: Guess!austin whats your read on me? Why are you even listening to grack anymore? | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:47 Coagulation wrote: Why? Your leaning town on me last I checked. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:57 Coagulation wrote: That was actually frighteningly spot on, although I mainly only remember a game with you where we were both scum, you replaced in, and proceeded to do absolutely nothing except occasionally check what day it was.cause im pretty useless as town and totally useless as scum | ||
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On November 22 2013 05:05 Coagulation wrote: People who go "oats perfectly capable of being dumb/changing reads at random as town" are correct (in saying that, not necessarily in their reads). I don't have a great feel on him right now, but I don't think supersoft's claimed RB is so foolproof that I want to lynch into oats based on that.fantastic. did you care to elaborate on my suspicions of oats? Essentially, I think anyone who REALLY wants to lynch oats today over other candidates is heavily factoring in the claimed RB, which is a lot mushier than it's being made out to be (we KNOW we had a doc, we don't know what else is out there, blah blah). | ||
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Coag. On November 21 2013 14:56 Coagulation wrote: Can you get into this a little more? You think that on his own merits he reads as town? Or you like the way his reads line up with the way you view the game, so you're more inclined to find them townie? Or...something else?BC doesnt read scum to me. | ||
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On November 22 2013 05:22 Coagulation wrote: Is that basically it? I'm fine with that as a read, but I think that's a fine post to make as whatever alignment, and I think you can really genuinely call pages of setup speculation and crap shitty, even if you're mafia. Thread can be hard to read for mafia too I have seen scum BC many times and I very rarely get town feels from him when hes town but the way he was talking this game about playing shitty and being frustrated with the current state of game was extremely genuine based on my experience with him? If you cut out those bits, you're still cool with him? | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:25 Coagulation wrote: He's not the only one, a bunch of people have been fully mia for the first bit of today. LM and thrawn are both there as well.what do you guys think about pandian dropping off the face of the earth ? And artanis. I ain't seen ANY ghostly WOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOO posts. | ||
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On November 22 2013 07:31 supersoft wrote: maek = make. Sorry. Stupid accents don't come out well in text.i am at least unsure. does that count? what is a maek chat... You are mainly unsure about BC because of your D1 mason chat, yes? | ||
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Really, for me, I can understand your thoughts on N1 (if you're town). We DO have a missing KP. You have one way of explaining it that town as a whole didn't know about. You have reason to think that if oats is responsible for the KP, BC is town. But we also have Artanis and OOH getting shot last night, both scummy on BC (and LoneMeow). And Artanis went through the trouble of TRYING to draw a RB by claiming he was gonna shoot BC. It's POSSIBLE that scum decide they want to roleblock Artanis, keep him from shooting townBC, so that they can hopefully lynch townBC today. But...HOLY HELL WHY!? I know that's possible, but scum RBed a town vigi using a bullet on a townie in that scenario. Scum have 5 players. BC maybe has a role, maybe has good arguments, maybe can DO something. Heck, if nothing else if BC has good scumreads, why doesn't scum let him get shot last night? Even if they want him around for a mislynch, that's 48 hours of active BC, and active BC giving reads because he's going to die. If i'm scum, I don't want that. I don't leave a guy up, even if he's had a bad game at the start, because he MIGHT screw me over. 48 hours is a long time for someone who can play well when they try. Why am I wasting a scum power, the roleblock, on a townie when, if I let their shot go through, IT KILLS A TOWNIE THAT I DON'T WANT ALIVE. This is the bit that really, really gets at me. The people that died last night were both scummy on BC. Artanis got blocked, because I didn't take a hit. And he said he was aiming at BC. I don't think that scum go and RB artanis if BC is town, because that's a free kill they're passing up for uncertainty today. So...what are your thoughts on Artanis getting RBed? You are relatively sure that your RB is relevant to alignments, making oats mafia and BC probably town. But the RB on Artanis last night is ALSO somewhat telling, imo. There's a WIFOMy explanation, sure, but it requires: (1) scum using a power to stop a townie from shooting a townie (as far as they knew); and (2) scum wanting to keep BC alive for 48 more hours. I don't like those | ||
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BC has made some persuasive posts for people today. But I want to see how they feel when EVERYTHING is on the table. People keep picking and choosing bits and pieces of what someone has done, and it needs to stop. There seems to be a lot of (relative) short term memory loss, where people are making reads based off of what JUST happened and what someone JUST posted. We got NKs, we got claimed actions, we got DAYS of posting. | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:03 supersoft wrote: Which is fine, I'm just paranoid that: (1) we've wasted half of a double-lynch pretty important D3 and (2) there's a nonzero chance you're scum and (3) PEOPLE KEEP ASKING FOR LISTS AND MAKING LISTS AND IT'S A DOUBLE LYNCH WITH ONE REALLY UP IN THE AIR AND I GET PARANOID THIS IS SOUNDING FROM SCUM AND IF EVERYONE IS POSTING THESE LISTS WE CAN FIND A NICE HAPPY AGREEABLE 2ND LYNCH THAT, OOPSIES, IS TOWN.As I said, I need more time for BC. How do you like my list and my short-form-cases on thrawn, coag, risen? - cant sleep - Just paranoid. I don't love your scum list. Thrawn's been scum for me. Coag is ... I'm less convinced. There's a useless --> something not useless swap here, but it also coincides with power. I think if he were scum he could also play things slightly different, could have just done NOTHING EVER but hammer on grack from the moment grack said they were masoned. He's been almost-semi-active, he responded to me about BC, and so I absolutely don't think he's a lynch for today. This doesn't QUITE feel like pure useless scum coag. As far as risen, I also don't think he's a lynch for today. I've seen him get called townie and then 100% zone out of a game, and this is worryingly similar to that. I'm happy if he gets pressured, gets voted, and want to see what happens. Like if risen were a laboratory where a mad scientist was experimenting on townspeople, and the town formed a mob to go burn down risen (who again, is a building in this scenario), I might not grab a torch and march with him, but I would let them all pass by, and maybe 15 seconds later, when they were out of earshot, I might say under my breath "Oh no, don't do that, he's probably a nice building." That's about my confidence level on Risen right now? | ||
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On November 22 2013 08:06 Mig wrote: Currently still leaning on LM or thrawn. Have considered BC/(supersoft or oats), just to solve that situation a little harder, but I think that's lazy and I'd rather read into those two more and not try to solve a puzzle by killing most of the players.Austin who are you leaning towards with your second vote? Risen looking like a pretty good choice right now. His play in the last day or so is actively harming the town. He has some ridiculous policy lynch reason for voting grack (which he didn't have for BH). And looking at the GoT mafia game he can be actively very helpful as town. Also there is this post He says that LM has pretty good reads, which included mattchew as scum, then says the shot on mattchew was scummy. I'll give Risen a more critical look. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I can absolutely understand how frustrating it is. Heck, it's one reason I claimed a little before I maybe should have, because I wanted my posts to try and remove some suspicion and be taken a little more seriously/townily. And just last game I was flailing around with a number of confirmed townies on my nuts. So yeah, I understand.Austin, to give you an idea. Anyone who's read my last big town game would realize that not only did I make it to lylo with palmar and geript. I proceeded to then fuck it all up and lose town the game as town. My town game is currently god awful. My best analysis these days comes from when A) im not even playing or B) when im third party Every now and again Ill have surges of brilliance where I will pin people fast and hard. But the fact of the matter is with the new crew of players that play now I can't analyze them for shit. The current skills I have for analysis don't apparently apply to this forum anymore. When I played at my prime a trolly chez was usually someone you could quickly differentiate as being useful or not and then kill him with whatever means and he'd flip whatever he was playing. Was he trolling? Yes but it clearly pushed one sides agendas over another. In this game I am being told active trolling, regardless of actions, are a town tell. Before anyone disagree's with me. The only reason none of you want to off grack is because he almost got mocsta killed day 1. You asked in one of your newer posts, put everything on the bloody table. Does grack still seem town? Hell, I even put all of mig's actions on the table and got flamed for it. Austin you honestly seem pretty legit right now and aside from the fact you are trying to persuade people not voting for me to vote for me you have your head on straight. I've spent part of the last day just trying to cool down and slowly work through filters. My scum reads haven't really changed. As terrible as that sounds my reads really haven't changed horrifically. I still have grack, hopeless, and holy as scum reads. I can easily see thrawn being scum. Aside from a really strong early game start he really hasn't done too much. I have already said why Mig could easily be scum. His play as town doesn't line up as the logical person he says he is. Supersoft and pandain are clearly town to me, coag, rayn and you austin are likely town as well. Koshi could go either way. Aside from that most people have been utterly useless. Ive attempted to contribute and been essentially told to fuck off each time. Do you know how frustrating it is to post something that I know is fucking logical and be told im wrong for no reasons? Yes i know my meta grack/mocsta stuff was bad but I was seriously tunnel visioned. We then have a ton of people who randomly pipe in and dont do anything but vote and peace out. This entire game is one of the most pro mafia environments i've ever seen and its no wonder that we as a town are going to lose this game unless we stop being retards. But the problem is that ... I think you view your town game currently with a more critical eye than Joe Mafia. I have not hyperscrutinized your recent town games. I tend to think of you as playing well from both alignments, and, in my head, the average mafia player would assume you're a threat. i THINK that would be the general consensus, because nobody else has the full breadth of info that you have on yourself. I have to work from that viewpoint. Heck, even if you were super mega useless, when presented with two scenarios, (1) BC is town, mafia has a roleblocker, mafia chose to use the roleblock on a townie guy who was shooting at BC or (2) BC is mafia, mafia has a roleblocker, mafia chose to use the roleblock on a townie guy who was shooting at BC, (2) seems more likely. (1) is POSSIBLE, and I guess if you're REALLY hating on your towngame, (1) could happen. But in any case, scum is sacrificing the ability to roleblock someone and hope they hit gold for the opportunity to NOT have a townie die tonight. I think that is less likely than the scenario in which you're mafia. I know other options exist, but right now that makes more sense to me. In terms of grack, yes, I still think he's town. There are SO MANY questionable folks that it's not like he's sitting out there alone looking weird. Yes, the biggest thing in his favor is mocsta/grack interactions, but that's a real thing, and I don't believe that scumMocsta comes out that hard on scumbuddy grack when there are still like...96 hours until a lynch. That's the key for me, just hard fighting seems less likely when it's so far from a lynch. As far as mig, he has looked town to me for most of the game. I know you dislike some of his actions, and his sharrant shot is wonky, but I interpret the whole "wish I'd shot BC" bit differently than you do, and I'm not torn up about a mattchew shot. Yes, a lot of points in this game are spammy/trolly/do-nothing, but it's up to us to fix that (us = everyone here). Oh well. Makes the game harder, makes solving it/winning more fun. Can I ask you to look at, or give thoughts on, thrawn and LM? They're in discussion today, they keep popping up for people without tons of reasoning, and I'd like to hear from you on them. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Why these two?Lets lynch Coag and Risen today. I dunno why/how you think my play is different from the other games I've played with you SS, but whatever. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:11 Oatsmaster wrote: You think power loss could play into that? Or ... he hasn't looked coag-y since coming back anyway.Risen is totally faking the crazy town right now. And Coag who caught 2-3 mafia on day 1 in PYP has done jack shit NOTHING this entire game. | ||
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If you could be masoned with any 2 people in this game, 3 man conversation, who would you mason? | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:23 Holyflare wrote: He had a back and forth with VE about your mayoral post and whether it was prewritten. Read like he was interested in VE's thoughts, figuring out his alignment.Please elaborate because I got a completely different feel from d1/d2 Asks random little questions of mocsta, or comments at him:This post ain't mafia on mafia, imo. I'd expect either NOTHING, no comment to your scumbuddy on some throwaway comment, or DISTANCE, actively questioning this by saying NOPE, found this other game, you're wrong, why you making sharrant look bad? Oats takes this middle path, interacts but not in an accusatory manner. He poked at me about Hiro being my top townread, when someone else started that discussion with me. It felt like legitimate poking. ESPECIALLY if thrawn is scum, I don't really see oats being scum here. Had a back and forth with rayn concerning risen AND one concerning LM. There are just all these little followup questions in his conversations with people early. It appears that he's not just dicking around, not doing anything anti-town, but instead is just oatsing about. He's aware of what's happening, he's interacting with people INCLUDING flipped scum mocsta and other people I think are scummy, and not in a way that reads as scum/scum interaction for me. And none of it reads scripted, forced, anything, it looks like he's leaned back in a chair, feet up on the desk, just doin' oats stuff. | ||
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And that if he gets banned for that, he won't even play in games you AREN'T in, he'll just host. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:47 austinmcc wrote: This is re: alakaslam's postNo, he's not. He's saying you are so spammy and hostile that he refuses to play in games you are in, including this one. And that if he gets banned for that, he won't even play in games you AREN'T in, he'll just host. | ||
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Have you played a decent number of games with Vayne? If so...how you feelz about him here? If BC is mafia, how you feelz about supersoft? | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:06 Hopeless1der wrote: Okeedoke.I think I've only played Hogwarts with Vayne where he ended up getting himself modkilled. No idea what his meta or playstyle is like really. However, his Alice in Wonderland tangents make me feel good about his hatter claim If BC is mafia, then [hypocrisy] by vet balance [/hypocrisy] SS looks better. In general I have huge problems with SS' play being dogshit. He has cited being tired as a reason for not making sense, but things like not understanding what Pandain means when he says "vet" or how Oats must be scum because of his (unconfirmed) roleblock clash with my expectations of super-"Vote me/mig/bc for mayor"-soft But if (when) BC flips scum I'd give SS a day or two to get shot or solve the game. Quick question, did anyone get masoned by ye olde suspiciousish masons today? Ain't urrbody need to out urrbody, but has LM masoned anyone? That's the main one I'm thinking of, but I'm not looking at a list of masons right now and unsure if there were more. | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:09 Hopeless1der wrote: You believe that 2 mafia both masoned ss D1?Guys I'm going to bed. I expect you to lynch Pandain. This is significantly more incriminating than Rayne's stance on LM. BC/Pandain for lynch gogo. If so, and actually we all should do this, we need to check the QTs. If they are both pushing similar/identical objectives at ss, I could maybe buy it. Otherwise I find it unlikely. | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:17 Pandain wrote: Big Brother is watching him.btw there is definitely enough information in the game to find scum esp. with mason logs. Has anyone actually analyzed Rayn or is everyone giving him a freebie due to the posts | ||
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Also, <3. This isn't even my only series of rayn paint pics. People should stop hunting for purposeless lies. People should stop debating claims and fakeclaims needlessly. There are 5 scum in this game. We will find them. But when you shift votes around because of this slip or that slip or this lie or that claim, you make it difficult to analyze votes. You make people talk about things that don't matter. You actively help scum sit in thread and talk about stuff. It's okay. We will still win. But lets not make this harder than it should be. BC is very very very likely mafia. Again, for those not voting BC, I would like to hear your explanation of the N2 events. BC is excluded from this exercise, as he is about the only person in the game who provided some sort of explanation as to why he was town and Artanis was still RBed. If you're not posting and you're watching ---- LoneMeow, Onegu, thrawn, sometimes Cheese, please come sit by the fire with us. You're not all mafia. Come explain why you're not and who is, help us hunt some scum. Even coag has posted a bunch today. | ||
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And then ADD kicked in. OOH, A SHINY LIE. OOH, A SHINY BITCHY POST. OOH, PRETTY PONY. Zoom, there go the votes. There goes the reasoning. I don't terribly know what to make of these gigantic absences. They could come from either alignment, but it IS a wonderful tactic for scum to sit back and let people lie/troll their way into nooses. If any of these folks show up overnight EST, or tomorrow, or whenever, they need to be ASKED, not demanded, to contribute. Specific questions, thoughts of their own, whatever. | ||
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On November 22 2013 14:30 Holyflare wrote: Don't you dare detract from this pandain thing. There is no way the he claims a power role 25 posts into a mason chat with SS because "he knows ss is town". I'm not being sidetracked from this after you did the same with mocsta on our mason chat. On November 22 2013 13:25 Pandain wrote: Supersoft didn't put my real role in the thread. I don't know why he faked it, but I'm grateful because for all you know I'm a tracker and so I get shot. He is town On November 22 2013 13:26 Pandain wrote: I didn't even fake-claim this game stop bullshitting coagulation. Pandain has already stated that he did not post that. Either: (1) You believe him, and he's either a VT or some other power role (2) You don't believe him But he has already said that he either DIDN'T claim a role or didn't claim that role, and so there's not really much else to pursue. You can ask supersoft about his side of things, but apart from that, you can't do anything other than spin your wheels with speculation until you see flips or postgame. | ||
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supersoft, did you alter those logs? I have been masoned by LM. He saw I wanted to talk with him. Nothing else posted yet. BC, Mig is not mafia. He's just not. Whatever you dislike about his targeting, look at the way he processed me asking for factional numbers. Look at him being the only person going "wtf is going on why aren't we consolidating?" rayn does look wonky. Koshi, I agree that a number of his reads have changed or been lost or been found for odd/no reasons. I remember him being very stubborn in his reads in other games, not so much here. One sec, looking at some vote stuff. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:05 supersoft wrote: So in other words, these statements are entirely false?Risen, if Mig, BC and I were scum together lol beautiful theory, has nothing to do with the thread. I believe you just went through the playerlist and copy pasted a few names together you thought might fit austin: ofc i didnt alter any logs. On November 22 2013 13:25 Pandain wrote: Supersoft didn't put my real role in the thread. I don't know why he faked it, but I'm grateful because for all you know I'm a tracker and so I get shot. He is town | ||
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There are, as best I can tell, NINETEEN people alive in this game. There are, as best I can tell, FIFTEEN different people getting votes today at some point. There are, as best I can tell, FOURTEEN different people getting votes today RIGHT NOW. Start from there. Throw out ALL your scumreads, throw out this entire thread, throw out your computer, the baby, the bathwater. If you're town, you have scumreads. You have townreads. You think people are one or the other alignment. But you KNOW that with 5 scum and 10 votes between them, a lynch in which we have FOURTEEN candidates is NOT GOING TO GO WELL. That's just fact. It's not based on reads, it's not based on WIFOM, 14 people getting votes is NOT a good situation as town. So I propose we start lopping people off of the list, NOW. We need to consolidate, but mainly we need to shut down some tangents and get things focused on ... heck, just a list of like 6 candidates or something. (1) The following candidates have only a SINGLE vote - Koshi (Onegu), Onegu (Oats), Oats (Supersoft), Coagulation (Grack), Alakaslam (Vayne). Out of those, only one had more than 2 votes today, and that was slam, who topped out at 3. I propose we cut Koshi, Onegu, Oats, Coag, and Slam from possible lynches. They've got a whopping one vote each. They haven't really picked up any votes. No matter how strongly you feel about them, anyone voting those folks does not appear to have made convincing arguments. If anyone wants to argue that it's townie to have votes spread so much, or wants to argue that, despite convincing nobody to vote these players over the course of D3, they are totes serious lynch options, please do so now. Otherwise, Onegy, Oats, Supersoft, Grack, and Vayne should move their votes. (2) The following candidates have only TWO votes - Mig (BC, Oats), HF (Pandain, Onegu), Supersoft (Hopeless, Risen). Out of these options, only supersoft has ever had more than 2 votes today. I propose we cut Mig and HF as possible lynches. If anyone wants to argue that it's townie to have votes spread so much, or wants to argue that, despite convincing almost nobody to vote these players over the course of D3, they are totes serious lynch options, please do so now. Otherwise, BC, Oats, Pandain, and Onegushould move their votes. Supersoft has had much much more movement on and off him today, so probably should stay as an option over others. (3) rayn and koshi have each voted for 5 different people today. It looks like Koshi has voted, unvoted, and revoted (and sometimes unvoted again) 4 of his 5 total voted peeps. Risen has voted 4 people today. Slam has voted 4 people today. This indicates, TO ME, that Koshi is probably town. He has moved his vote a lot, but also keeps moving it back and forth. Koshi stands out as NUMBER ONE ICHIBAN VOTE-MOVER, and the way in which his vote moves shows ... some confusion, to put it mildly . Yes, we all have 2 votes, and so making votes and moving them once = 4 people, but Koshi stands out for how friggin' much he's moved his vote, how willing he is to just vote the guys he just unvoted, how much he doesn't care what his vote record looks like. | ||
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SS RBs oats N1 We see only 2 scum KP N1 (artanis KP confirmed, he flipped town, mig KP backed up by mig shooting again last night, so probably wasn't covering up a factional hit). We only saw 2/3 factional KP N1. Therefore, ss believes Oats was delivering a factional kill and was blocked. Individual scum carrying out kills are blockable this game. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:46 Risen wrote: Makes sense to me. Any consideration for him withholding a KP to get oats lynched at a later point in time? I'm fine with not lynching super now. But that means Oats needs to go so we can lynch super after if Oats flips town. That's just the way it has to be. For now: ##unvote: supersoft Don't know how you're town. I think you're scum going for the 1 for 1. I'd be impressed by this bus, though not surprised. I put no stock in possible withholding a KP N1 when they know the mayoral lynch was townie and they probably feel decent. Other options are super lying, mafia hitting an assassin, mafia hitting Sharrant's doc target, mafia hitting an unclaimed vet or unclaimed doc's target. | ||
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On November 23 2013 05:46 Koshi wrote: Anyone that is a veteran or has a vest gets notified when hit, to indicate that they have lost their ability/item.austin are you sure you get notified when hit? Anyone protected by a medic does NOT get notified when hit. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:23 Mig wrote: Thrawn has been on a number of scummy lists, been called scum by a number of people, but is one of the only players in the game to pick up ZERO votes today. It's curious. (I'm one of the people calling him scum).If Risen is scum he is a beast. On one hand you put 0 effort in at all this entire game then when about to be lynched you explode. But it seems believable. I have no clue really tough. Anyone want to talk about thrawn. He posted 65 times in his other game and not here, 65! Also, 16 people have received votes today but not him. Why is he so completely ignored. If he were town seems like an easy person to jump on for mafia. Yamato said to watch thrawn, and that if thrawn was useless, he was mafia - On November 18 2013 09:27 yamato77 wrote: Notably from a player replacing an inactive fuck who has also done basically nothing. Watching thrawn, if he's not mega useful we lop his head off. Artanis had him as scum in final list, but thrawn/risen were both there for lack of better options. Yamato's thing not super useful, that was very early on and he seems to be keying in on the replacement factor and not identifying a specific facet of thrawn's play. But I agree that thrawn looks bad. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:26 supersoft wrote: TO JOIN COAG, YOU RESPONDED TO ME WHEN I POSTED THE EXACT PLACES WHERE PANDAIN SAID YOU ALTERED THE LOGSwhat where did he say that. rofl i completely missed that On November 23 2013 05:12 austinmcc wrote: So in other words, these statements are entirely false? | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:44 Mig wrote: I have found a lot of Risen's posting today to be slightly too logical for him to be super scummy.Yea it was incredibly obvious really for anyone who isn't a cow. I don't know if that makes Pandain town but the ploy was clear. Anyway I am torn between thrawn and Risen. Risen does nothing for 2 days is close to getting lynched and just turns the thread into complete chaos. Thrawn gone, has posted a ton in his other game and seems to be completely ignored despite people being suspicious of him. | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:50 Mig wrote: I haven't read Wrestlamafia 2013. But I think people are really really focused on that. The only game I've played with scumrisen, he faked being a parity cop or something, got lucky with his claimed check and accidentally nailed a third party or something (Chrono Trigger).I agree most of his defense seems good but everyone talks about how good Risen is as mafia right. Look what he has done to the thread lol. He posts a 1-2 liner every 10 hours for the first 2 days now close to the lynch deadline he turns the thread into a mess. Seems like really good scum play. I am worried if Risen is mafia he is just owning town right now. Fuck it I don't know tho honestly. I would be ok voting thrawn. I may be working from a different scumRisen than others, but I think Risen knows plenty well how to wreck a thread as mafia, but also has not been the sole person wrecking this thread. And I haven't seen him...DO anything that I might expect from scumRisen. He's been relatively tame. | ||
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THERE ARE NINETEEN PEOPLE ALIVE. FIFTEEN PEOPLE GOT VOTES. FOURTEEN PEOPLE HAD VOTES A MOMENT AGO. PROBABLY LIKE TWELVE AND A HALF PEOPLE HAVE VOTES NOW. IF YOU ARE MAFIA TODAY, A COUPLE HOURS FROM LYNCH, WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THAT SCENARIO? IF A NORMAL TL MAFIA PLAYER IS MAFIA TODAY, SAME TIMING, WHAT IS NORMAL JOE DOING IN THAT SCENARIO? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:33 Risen wrote: I don't care if you hate questions like this. You are blowing up at HF for crafting some case on you based on play last game where you played good scum or you played decent scum and town played like poop or whatever.I'm bussing one of my scummy teammate homies because they're scummy as shit. Normal joe is defending his scum team and trying to misconstrue what people have said. I really hate questions like this. What do I do as scum always? I find the most scummy person in the thread and build a case on them, regardless of their alignment. It just helps me find scummy things about people when I know their alignment. You KNOW that he hasn't read all your games, and that he's overanalyzing a particular game. You, assuming you're town here, KNOW that he's not bussing you. So what that leaves me is that you think HF, if he's scum, is trying to defend his scumbuddies and he's trying to misconstrue what people have said. He's just building a case on someone scummy. My question is....why you? Why, when he's getting little traction on his case and posts specifically, all his HWC mafia references, does he keep going. The votes are spread. He PROBABLY doesn't have to protect someone all that hard. Why does scum HF attack YOU specifically, and in this really, really, HF-specific way ----> constant references to a game you guys just recently played in. Do you think he's effectively making you look scummy? Do you think HE thinks he's effectively making you look scummy? | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:40 Risen wrote: If I count correctly, you have 4 votes.Why me? I'm the clear frontrunner for second lynch in front of LM or Pandain or SS or Oats. All of those people look really bad. My gameplay isn't the most endearing. I am the easiest person to push a mislynch onto. I don't think he's being effective. I think the majority of the train on me is scum, not town. That's, frankly, not a boatload. I don't think it's near enough to say you're a "clear frontrunner." For all the people moving onto you, or the train, or whatever, since the last vote count I see THREE UNVOTES on you and TWO VOTES. You've LOST VOTES. I don't terribly see that as an effective scum push when really they only need a couple votes. If scum has is out for you, you'd have an extra vote or two IF they had active members that cared at all. The fact that you're LOSING votes speaks to me that either a push is going elsewhere, or there isn't some concerted action to get you lynched. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:43 Risen wrote: The population of India + the population of china = the number of mislynch options scum has right now.EBWOP: And prior to my sudden outburst how was HF to know I'd get involved in the game beyond a smidgen of defense? As far as he knows when he makes that first post I'm not defending myself at all. He also knows I hate defending myself. I know he read some of my games during WHC. It's only after my burst in posting that HF sees I'm going to actually be posting more and now has to appear to be pushing me while maintaining a semblance of being "open to change his mind". He's not open to changing his mind, and he's clinging to his misleading statements about my gameplay because he doesn't know what else to do. If he's scum, and multiple people have pulled their votes off you, he can SUPER DUPER MEGA easily hop off you and onto ANY NUMBER OF MISLYNCHES. How can he not know what else to do? SOMEONE out of oats/BC/SS/you/pandain/thrawn/rayn is town. Multiple people in that list are town. If he's scum, he can change his mind and hop onto another mislynch EZPZ. This doesn't MAKE him town. But it's way way way way easier for him to be town than you're saying, because scum do not, imo, need to really super duper hammer on you right now if you're town. There are too many options. He is in here expending a ton of effort trying to make you look scummy while you're losing votes, and he's mainly arguing really specific stuff that he thinks based on a single past game. Yet you're all super defensive about it. | ||
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onegu unvotes super unvotes pandain unvotes super votes again grack votes you should now be at mig, super, HF, grack. Rayn picked up 2 votes to go to 4. There are some other folks at 4 maybe or something. There are a bunch of unaccounted for votes (I have one of those). | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:47 Risen wrote: If you're town and scum is pushing you, it IS successful.EBWOP: And someone with 4 or 5 votes in this extremely fractured lynch is very clearly frontrunner material, in my opinion. Things are so spread out if scum wants to mislynch they only need to have 2 or 3 people on me. It's what you've been fighting against for a while now, so I don't get why you aremn't seeing that. It's why I said the push on me isn't that successful, but it is going to work as things stand right now unless I'm misunderstanding the bvote thread. In my mind, scum DO NOT want to read the thread today. Scum look at the votes and see a mess. Scum look at the thread and see a mess. Scum feel like they're sitting pretty, or half-pretty, based on how many frontrunners are actually mafia. IMO, scum drop some dinky votes or cases or reads or whatever and peace the hell out. They don't NEED to wreck the thread, and they PROBABLY don't need to play much damage control on votes. If BC is mafia, he's PROBABLY a goner, and we can look back at people who wavered on him, or wanted to lynch other folks, or whatever, especially at the points in the day where he had like 4-5 votes and was not a clear frontrunner. But I don't think scum need to come in here and bust ass and pretend like they're trying to lynch someone and really convince people. IMO, MOST scum take the lazy play here. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:51 Risen wrote: rayn is in finland and I think possibly asleep. Unsure on time zones cuz we're AMURRCA and we don't need to know other times.I am wrong, then. This rayn push concerns me. I think people may be riding Koshi to a mislynch. I also don't like how certain Koshi is of HF scum while pushing rayn so hard. Where is rayn? Have you considered that maybe HF feels comfortable with his vote on me because he doesn't think I'm going to be lynched and will attempt to mislynch me tomorrow or sometime in the future? I honestly don't care what HF feels about his vote or you right now. I think for all the talk of consolidation and how that's needed, HF is just not a real candidate right now and also SHOULD NOT be. There are too many other people around. I think you continuing to engage him in discussion is a waste of your time and his right now, no matter who is mafia. I think overall it makes me feel slightly better about you? But that's not really worthwhile given how much is going into all of this, and how there are 17 different conversations being fired back and forth across the thread. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:54 Pandain wrote: I don't know wtf you are right now. You have not been a focus of mine today, really, and I did a poor job of reading you in Croque Monsiuer Mafia.Austin do you think I'm scum You're in the middle or the periphery of a bunch of other stuff that's going on though, and I need to actually sit down and look at you and vayne and slam and a couple other folks that are in this middle band for me that I just whoosh past. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote: Why am I confirmed town now?goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed AUUUSTINNNN you're like confm town to me wtf should I do? I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch. Also, on a more serious note if you're town. OH MAN LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST POSTED SORT OF A READ ON A PLAYER UP FOR LYNCH WITH A JUSTIFICATION THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU DECIDE WHO TO LYNCH. You have now removed Risen from your possible voting options. If you look at BC, ss, oats, maybe a little rayn and a little of koshi's stuff on rayn, I bet you can totally get through a couple of those people and find reasons to vote or not vote them and then put that in the thread and vote accordingly. | ||
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On November 23 2013 08:51 Risen wrote: It's concerning, yes, but again...with votes so spread I really don't think scum HAS to come out this late in the day and try to push some new candidate to a mislynch. If rayn is town, it's decent for them to get him mislynched, but it also makes the thread a little more legible. I don't necessarily see why they want him dead NOW over other people when he's engaging in so many little fights and his reads are jumping like crazy.This rayn push concerns me. I think people may be riding Koshi to a mislynch. I also don't like how certain Koshi is of HF scum while pushing rayn so hard. Where is rayn? Unlike BC surviving last night, where scum are a little unsure of what he's going to do given 48 hours and maybe actually playing, rayn has shown today that he can be twisted around in all sorts of claims and lies and minutiae (if he's town). I don't think scum mind not lynching him, and don't see them really trying to push the case. At the very least, I don't think Koshi looks scummy for pushing rayn. Some of the hop-ons COULD very well be scum, and we can watch for that. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:07 Mig wrote: Myself so that I can close all these windows and tabs and stop worrying about this game Austin who are you leaning for with your last vote? Are you concerned with the vote list on pandain? On a serious note. I do not want to vote for LM right now. He's been relatively active in mason chat, and I like some of the answers he's given and the questions he's asked me. Either he's being relatively open for a mafia and I think he'll slip up, or he's probably town, gut read. Sometimes activity will be quickish enough that i THINK I'm getting legitimate thoughts, and, in kind of the same way as people talked about him D1, I don't necessarily know why he would mason me a bunch of the way through D3 and actively talk with me if he was mafia. He knows I was scummy on him. I know I'm spammy and ask a lot of questions and whatnot. I do not believe that he or his mafia team would say he should mason me if he's mafia. That leaves me mainly looking at (serious candidates) : thrawn, possibly rayn. If I had boatloads of time, I'd filter Pandain, Cheese, Vayne, and Slam very very hard. Cheese/Vayne/Slam have escaped most of the discussion today, all have chimed in from time to time, but generally been inactive and seemed to care less about the lynch than others. This fits my profile for what scum might be doing today. Cheese and Vayne especially, slam gets a little leeway because I know that fighting with rayn can be...unpleasant. But it is too late now to look at that and REALLY push that I think, although I just may. That leaves me with BC + (rayn/thrawn) i think? I want to see what thrawn is up to right now. Vote list on pandain is...hopeless, rayn, coag, risen, thrawn. I'm not worried about hopeless or risen right now, leaving rayn/coag/thrawn. Which makes me slightly worried about it, given that 2/3 of those votes are coming from folks that I'm worried about. Rayn isn't even a mega super duper mafia read right now, but I would absolutely consider voting him. He HAS hopped around too much for my liking, he keeps tunneling people for 20 minutes and then zipping off to tunnel someone else. I'm used to more conviction from him, and continuous tunnels. There's a side benefit of I think improving thread cohesion and clarity to his lynch, and mining his scumreads which I'd have some faith in, but........it's a questionable lynch right now imo. I don't love a train building on a dude when he may very well be asleep. I don't ever see that PLANNED, but it allows things to really get going while someone isn't responding much. That's kind of moot because rayn has responded some, but mainly with KOSHI BAD KOSHI BAD KOSHI BAD. | ||
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SS --> I didn't alter the logs Pandain --> U GAIZ I WAS TRYING TO BE TRICKSY I'M TOTALLY A VET | ||
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On November 23 2013 06:41 Pandain wrote: Alright you guys are retarded. I'm the vet but there's no point to being the vet if scum knows you're the vet. So I had already claimed to SS because I trust him, and he probably forgot to take it out since it was a one liner. So I claimed that SS simply substituted my real role. God | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:21 Risen wrote: I think he's probably not asleep.Austin, knowing that rayn has been reading the thread and just popped in and left now how does that change your recent post? I think...there's a decent chance he's mafia. I'm not overly confident in it. I think there are benefits to town for lynching him, but that's a TERRIBLE justification for a lynch at this point, imo. Mainly, I want to look elsewhere still. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:28 supersoft wrote: I disagree with you saying he has done nothing townish. I read a decent amount of townish stuff in his filter.FUCK the day1 filter!!!! he has done nothing townish!!! NOTHING!!! HE IS SCUM!!! | ||
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BC has had a number of large-ish, well-reasoned, good lookin' posts. But when he's casually discussing things and active in thread, it tends to be focused on a limited range of topics - his own defense, grack, and earlier today, mig. Maybe he's on to stuff, but I feel like his sexy looking posts are markedly different from his casual posts, and that makes me worried that he's packaging the posts he really needs to make in order to look decent, drawing them up ahead of time, and dropping them to convince people, then dipping out of the thread. If the very convincing posts weren't usually made after long absences, I'd be...more inclined to believe them? Or if they were sloppy or something? I'm pretty sure I do actually believe this. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:37 austinmcc wrote: The first sentence of this is important to me. I KNOW that's something to be conflicted on, and if he's town then okay, he was conflicted on it.I still want to lynch BC instead of oats. If I am wrong about things then so be it, but he has been waffling all over "I haven't played a good town game in forever" and "Guys here are my reads and last testament you can win the game if you just follow them," artanis got RBed, BC hasn't been a LARGE factor in the game or been shot, SOMEONE(s) that is relatively veteran-y and somewhat active probably gets put in the mafia group (I don't count coag as a vet for this purpose because I haven't seen him play active scum/help his scum team (tee hee); mig is out for me as a strong townread). BC has had a number of large-ish, well-reasoned, good lookin' posts. But when he's casually discussing things and active in thread, it tends to be focused on a limited range of topics - his own defense, grack, and earlier today, mig. Maybe he's on to stuff, but I feel like his sexy looking posts are markedly different from his casual posts, and that makes me worried that he's packaging the posts he really needs to make in order to look decent, drawing them up ahead of time, and dropping them to convince people, then dipping out of the thread. If the very convincing posts weren't usually made after long absences, I'd be...more inclined to believe them? Or if they were sloppy or something? I'm pretty sure I do actually believe this. But BC has argued both: (1) I am not threatening to scum, that's why they kept me alive, my town game has been butt recently and (2) You guys are all horribly wrong, I am right. Here are the reads you should 100% follow, and I am town. Granted, he KNOWS his alignment, and may KNOW what's wrong with his lynch. But it's somewhat difficult to trust that, and he is VERY VERY VERY certain about pushing his own full scumlist while saying he hasn't had a good town game in a while. Maybe this is it and he breaks back into a form he's happy with, or somewhat happy with, but I see these as divergent trains of thought. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I feel that almost all my medium and large-size posts are rushed through, have some poor reasoning in them, and are often difficult to follow. I am TERRIBLE at crafting a really nice-reading post, and if I craft something, it tends to be for maximum stupidity. But...I understand what you're saying, and agree that it SHOULD be that way.I totally feel why you would feel this way. My only issue with this I a) have been a large factor. Just not in the way you would hope for (being a prime suspect sucks but is still a large part), and b) not being shot theoretically puts you, mig, me all in the same boat as scummyness. I would mention SS as well but well he has pardoner vet vest. Also austin. I recognize you can feel the difference in my posts. I would too. Given that any post I write that's larger then say, 5-10 lines is something I generally spend 30 minutes to an hour just writing, not counting any work gone into filter diving. Its a ton of work, and requires me to spend far more time writing them. I think you can appreciate this as you would know it to be true from doing your own analytical work. Casual posts are things you write quickly. You also shouldn't be blaming me for long absences and huge posts when multiple players are also guilty of this. I am fine with you targetting me but if you are nailing me for certain aspects you should also be looking at others in the same light. I totally agree on the absences thing, and it IS something that I'm looking at or will be looking at. I've got vayne/cheese/you/thrawn/onegu as people who really disappeared for times today. You had way more ... legitimate posts/reads than the rest in that group, most of the rest threw a couple posts together and whooshed away. To some extent, a couple mafia in that group explains why reads are so confused and most people feel like they're chasing their tails today. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:44 Mig wrote: I don't want to lynch risen. I would rather consolidate onto rayn.Vayne/austin Vote Risen? Austin you said we should consolidate votes. Voting thrawn is not consolidating. | ||
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If you can look at all of rayn's posts today and give me a clear suspect or two that he legitimately tried to get lynched by pushing them and convincing people and not moving off of, I am all ears. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I think that you have other indicia I'm working off of.can I just ask you this one thing for clarification. Why would you just say that of a group of people you are pinning as scum for a largely selected behaviour are you opting to lynch the one performing the most town? I get that I'm a dead man now but I really want to know your thought process on it Vayne/Cheese/Onegu all fit the bill for what I'm looking for. Thrawn fits the bill but ALSO has his reaction to pandain/me lacking reads, and his odd reaction to your posts on mocsta/grack meta (which I disagree with, and if you're scummy, indicates that he is likely scum because his reaction was so different than others). You get voted over those dudes because - (1) I was already looking at you; (2) stuff last night with Artanis's shot; (3) the mayoral votes are wonky and it feels like scum should have TRIED to get a candidate elected at some point or another, and you sort of fit that; (4) people who got shot last night had you as mafia; (5) some is pure expectations, which are higher of you (from me), than cheese or onegu. | ||
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On November 23 2013 09:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Not entirely sure, the mayoral votes are ODD.As a devils advocate. Why would I as scum not more actively push myself to get into office instead of SS or VE. I could have if I had wanted really pushed for it and likely gotten pardoner over one of those two had I seriously made an effort. Instead I opted to push them in. As well as, why as a player like I am shoot people that view me as scum thus securring my own death when I could instead shoot other people to make them look bad, etc.. Mocsta stayed on himself the whole time, indicating that either scum didn't have a great candidate, had too many people inactive/AFK, or didn't care too much. If thrawn is scum, hiro was super inactive and that would also lend credence to mafia not being able to really push a candidate, as 1/6 of their voice/votes weren't around. So I can't tell if you were a mafia campaign that was aborted because of low activity or something, or if mafia didn't care, or if supersoft was a mafia candidate, or WHAT the heck went on. Essentially, if you're saying you, as scum, woudl have pushed for yourself to get into office, then I can come back and say WHO DID SCUM PUSH? Cuz either ss comes out looking bad if scum pushed someone hard, or else scum didn't really have a push on anyone. | ||
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Vayne, why am I mafia? I was just outside your scum list 4-5 days ago, then slightly scummy on your list 4 days ago, and since you haven't said a single thing substantively about me except that I'm mafia. A whole lot has happened since then, and I'm curious about this read of yours. | ||
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WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A SEAT AND JOIN US. | ||
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(2) Vayne, you had me as mafia BEFORE these votes. I want to know why. (3) BC is 100% dead when he swaps votes. Why does he out a scumbuddy and save them? | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:10 supersoft wrote: I don't think Risen is mafia. I don't trust BC not to move his vote, but would rather we lynch rayn than Risen.Rayn and austin screwed that up. How can you be convinced that BC is scum and still trust him to not move his vote rofl. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:13 VayneAuthority wrote: This is entirely false and you know it. You discussed with me during Sandwich Mafia and we were entirely opposed there.I don't discuss with scum austin, im not going to convince you that you are scum and there is no point in pursuing me as I am confirmed town. Pointless discussion. Here, your read on me has swapped without any reasoning at all. Even if you don't discuss with me, you have said absolutely nothing to any other townie about why I was mafia. So...do go on | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:15 Mig wrote: This.Thrawn looks terrible as well. Thrawn's reaction to BC's mocsta/grack stuff was VERY out of place. Let alone everything else, he is one person who had very very very wonky interactions with BC. He also has these weird posts that read like he's the MC for some kind of symposium and BC is the distinguished guest. On November 18 2013 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote: And now, here is Supertown BC, here to talk to us about what mocsta's filter means concerning everyone.BC you spent a lot of time digging into moc's filter and came away with basically only town reads. Is your conclusion that scum are probably people he didn't talk about? And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish On November 19 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote: BC's back folks, with a new presentation about why rayn might or might not be mafia. Take it away, BC!BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff? | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:17 VayneAuthority wrote: You had me as mafia BEFORE this. This is not your reasoning.he confirmed the rayn lynch with the help of BC, what else is there to say? | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote: Stop it.then go ahead and push me and look like an asshat for all I care (note the hat pun) see how far it gets you. Why was I mafia? You said I was. You must have had a reason. What was it? | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:34 VayneAuthority wrote: like I said, call me scum if you think refusing to give any reasons make me scum. I'm not playing your little game No. You GAVE a reason when asked. My vote. Except my vote happened after you were calling me mafia already. This isn't a lack of reason. You GAVE a reason that could not have been true. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:55 VayneAuthority wrote: You've claimed hatter. You also claim that, with the BC lynch, you're out of bombs. + Show Spoiler +yea the only mad hatter in the game is scum, you got me On November 22 2013 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote: I lost one of my bombs this game already, my only bomb is on BC. so lynching me just kills both of us On November 23 2013 09:43 VayneAuthority wrote: meh I lose my other bomb then. I'm a VT for all intents and purposes now If all claims are true, then you think I'm town. If you don't think I'm town, you recognize that claims don't magically make people town. Nor do crumbs. Play and flips do. Yeah, you crumbed a bunch, but BC's posts on town KP are...interesting. On November 21 2013 13:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC says it's unlikely mig/artanis/rayne are all town, because that's just too much KP. Despite your claiming hatter too, posting pictures, etc., he doesn't even address your hatter claim or include you. He's specifically addressing town KP and he leaves you out.Also HF, its not that I find vaynes claim believable so much as it seems more legit in a way then say, a town vig openly shooting town power roles/players, making excuses to avoid shooting his main read. IF mig is town then rayne clearly isn't. No way in hell town has 6 night kp + 2 trackers + a med + a rber +apparently now 2 vets Do you honestly think town has 3 kill roles, 2 dts, a med, a rber and 2 vets + a bunch of masons? Exclusing masons that would leave what ? 9 power roles vs whatever the mafia has? Thats still more power roles than mafia has numbers and incredibly fucking broken for town. There is no way there are 3 town kp roles. Of those 3 claims 1 is dead and flipped town, 1 has actively shot town. Do I think vayne looks good? Not really but his claim is more believable. After mig/I are arguing with him about this, he finally posts in response to mig talking about BC believing you/rayn but not him: On November 21 2013 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what fucking reason? You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me. If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch. And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum. I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum. And after rayn says he's not a hatter, BC doesn't readdress this. He doesn't discuss you vs. mig for truthfulness. He puts you as a null read and doesn't discuss you at all. Despite saying "quote" Mig Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim.[/quote] in his fake will, he doesn't mention you period besides null. Among other things, this is an oddity: When BC is discussing town KP, he says it's gotta be artanis + (rayn or mig), but can't have 3 town kp. He leaves vayne out, forgets that whole bit. When rayn claims he wasn't a hatter, BC does not go back and address artanis + (vayne or mig). When giving his reads, BC says he BELIEVES mig, indicating it's artanis + mig. But he doesn't say you're scummy. He doesn't say you MIGHT be scum. He doesn't address the EXACT SAME SCENARIO that he address with rayn/mig. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:55 VayneAuthority wrote: You've claimed hatter. You also claim that, with the BC lynch, you're out of bombs. + Show Spoiler +yea the only mad hatter in the game is scum, you got me On November 22 2013 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote: I lost one of my bombs this game already, my only bomb is on BC. so lynching me just kills both of us On November 23 2013 09:43 VayneAuthority wrote: meh I lose my other bomb then. I'm a VT for all intents and purposes now If all claims are true, then you think I'm town. If you don't think I'm town, you recognize that claims don't magically make people town. Nor do crumbs. Play and flips do. Yeah, you crumbed a bunch, but BC's posts on town KP are...interesting. On November 21 2013 13:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote: BC says it's unlikely mig/artanis/rayne are all town, because that's just too much KP. Despite your claiming hatter too, posting pictures, etc., he doesn't even address your hatter claim or include you. He's specifically addressing town KP and he leaves you out.Also HF, its not that I find vaynes claim believable so much as it seems more legit in a way then say, a town vig openly shooting town power roles/players, making excuses to avoid shooting his main read. IF mig is town then rayne clearly isn't. No way in hell town has 6 night kp + 2 trackers + a med + a rber +apparently now 2 vets Do you honestly think town has 3 kill roles, 2 dts, a med, a rber and 2 vets + a bunch of masons? Exclusing masons that would leave what ? 9 power roles vs whatever the mafia has? Thats still more power roles than mafia has numbers and incredibly fucking broken for town. There is no way there are 3 town kp roles. Of those 3 claims 1 is dead and flipped town, 1 has actively shot town. Do I think vayne looks good? Not really but his claim is more believable. After mig/I are arguing with him about this, he finally posts in response to mig talking about BC believing you/rayn but not him: On November 21 2013 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: what fucking reason? You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me. If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch. And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum. I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum. And after rayn says he's not a hatter, BC doesn't readdress this. He doesn't discuss you vs. mig for truthfulness. He puts you as a null read and doesn't discuss you at all. Despite saying Mig Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. Among other things, this is an oddity: When BC is discussing town KP, he says it's gotta be artanis + (rayn or mig), but can't have 3 town kp. He leaves vayne out, forgets that whole bit. When rayn claims he wasn't a hatter, BC does not go back and address artanis + (vayne or mig). When giving his reads, BC says he BELIEVES mig, indicating it's artanis + mig. But he doesn't say you're scummy. He doesn't say you MIGHT be scum. He doesn't address the EXACT SAME SCENARIO that he address with rayn/mig. | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:50 VayneAuthority wrote: (1) rayn also claimed hatterdifference being rtard that im the only hatter claim in the game. there are other vet claims. (2) semi-open setup, we don't know there IS a hatter | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:54 VayneAuthority wrote: Ah, you mean only hatter claim LEFT in the game. There were multiple CLAIMED hatters in the game, rayn just ain't alive.rayn just died and is not a hatter. good lord. if austin is town for a third time and saying stupid shit yet again to fuck with my reads then he is just a lost cause, idk what else to say. he makes me tunnel him every game because it's impossible to ignore his idiotic logic. He calls me scum every game that I am anywhere near confirmed town. Heck, am I supposed to go ALL THE CLAIMED HATTERS THAT HAVE FLIPPED SO FAR WEREN'T HATTERS. THEREFORE VAYNE ISN'T HATTER GG. A claim doesn't make you town. Crumbs don't make you town. A claim doesn't make you that role. Crumbs don't make you that role. Why was I mafia? | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote: No. My stance is that we don't know what roles are actually present in the game. so your stance is that there is every town role in the game except mine despite me having the best crumbs by far in the game? well you have my vote tomorrow. afk until then We also haven't seen a town roleblocker flip yet, we just have ss's claim. We haven't seen a scum rolecop. We haven't seen a scum goon. We haven't seen a scum suicide bomber. We can infer a scum roleblocker based on artanis. So no, there are currently MULTIPLE town roles we haven't seen actually flip. And multiple mafia roles. We don't know what is and isn't in the game. If you ever flip and are mafia though, that statement looks very good for ss and his claim. | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:50 Mig wrote: I'm fine with this post, but what makes you townie on Vayne?Town should still consider Coag/Thrawn as possibilities for tomorrows lynch. Along with looking through BC's posts. Don't get sidetracked with austin/va stuff tho. | ||
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On November 24 2013 00:37 Mig wrote: Austin please post the mason chats you had with LM from yesterday. It seems to have convinced you here is town. We need to see them. Logs. I cleaned up the "Person" bits and the edit/delete buttons from copy pasting. I also cut my last question to him. He has not answered yet, and I want to talk to him about a couple more things specifically. Will post full log before end of night. + Show Spoiler [austinmcc + LM mason log D3] + 51 austinmcc 11-22-2013 07:18 PM ET (US) If you've been scum, you might play differently. Otherwise, it's absolutely on the table because today has probably been somewhat of a mess for town, and there's a boatload of thread to read for scum. Scum looks at votes, sees they're sitting pretty, and absolutely wouldn't want to read the thread and participate. 50 austinmcc 11-22-2013 07:17 PM ET (US) Have you played any scum games? Just wondering. At least for some/most people, playing scum is really tough. You have to fake activity, you have to fake scumreads, it's just...way more WORK it feels like and people are ACCUSING you of being EVIL and also, YOU ARE EVIL. It can be terrible. So it's stupid to do that, sure, but I know I have just straight up afked some days as scum, because I didn't feel like reading the thread, responding to accusations, or doing much. There's less motivation because your goal is to HIDE, rather than to SOLVE. I don't think it's too uncommon. 49 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) Really weird. But wouldn't it be kind of stupid to intentionally do that as scum? 48 austinmcc 11-22-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) What do you make of thrawn being active in another game but not this one? 47 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 06:33 PM ET (US) Add more confusion, have people swap votes and occasionally bus each other when there's no real risk of getting lynched? 46 austinmcc 11-22-2013 06:29 PM ET (US) Pretend you're mafia today, and I dunno how much exp you have playing as mafia, so feel free to MAKE IT ALL UP if you want. But, pretend you're mafia. How are you playing today? It is double lynch. You have 4 teammates. It's likely 1-2 of you is under SOME suspicion, maybe 1 guy under lots. We're closing in on lynch and votes are everywhere, on everyone, for reasons that you KNOW nobody in town can follow. What do you do? 45 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 06:08 PM ET (US) No wait, missed the timing of the vote, doesn't make sense that he'd have voted a scum buddy hoping someone would follow. 44 austinmcc 11-22-2013 06:03 PM ET (US) Why grack? 43 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 06:00 PM ET (US) Scum supersoft would also make Grackaroni a very interesting person. 42 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:58 PM ET (US) If he'd flip scum then Alakaslam, BloodyC0bbler and Holyflare would all look bad. if he'd flip town, then Koshi and you would look interesting. Possibly also Oatsmaster. 41 austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:47 PM ET (US) In your mind, what does supersoft's flip say about people? Both town and scum flips. 40 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:45 PM ET (US) I'd be very tempted to shoot supersoft. His flip would be very useful, but I'm still not very satisfied that he actually is scum. BloodyC0bbler isn't a bad choice either, I just can't get any kind of read on him, everything he says seems like it could come from either alignment. I suspect it would help if I had played with him before. 39 austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:41 PM ET (US) Yourself? 38 austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:41 PM ET (US) I shoot BC 80000000000000000%. If BC is mafia, oats is not, and people get off his nuts. If BC is mafia, grack is VERY VERY VERY likely town. I think. Maybe. It also makes thrawn look much worse for his saying BC's take on the mocsta/grack interactions so sexy. Also very telling of mig's alignment, scum BC = 99.999% town mig. I think BC is a lynchpin here and...needs to get lynched? 37 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:38 PM ET (US) If you could shoot one person now, before the lynch, who would you shoot? Ie. of the people you find scummy, whose flip do you think would help us figure out the game? 36 austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) rayn had a good post on it somewhere. Basically, ss didn't mention looking at mocsta until late in the day. And with like 10-15 minutes left, he was looking elsewhere and still saying he was checking mocsta's filter. He never said I AM GOING TO LYNCH MOCSTA, he just kept dropping that name and saying he was reading, even as we got very close to lynch. All he has to do is find SOME reason not to lynch mocsta over anyone else. Not too hard. 35 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:25 PM ET (US) Assuming supersoft is scum, what would he have done with the D1 lynch given that he had hinted he would lynch Mocsta? 34 austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:19 PM ET (US) Not anyone majorly from what I remember. Yamato I think was decently set on BH, and BH wasn't scum. VE had a big fat list of people, most of whom weren't scum. Supersoft MIGHT have lynched mocsta, in which case we look for flight off supersoft. That implicates me and Koshi. I know I'm town, I really think Koshi's town, so I don't get anywhere on that. However, we can also look for votes moving to NOT supersoft, in an attempt to get someone else elected over him --> again all the late votes on VE look alright, and the late votes on Yamato are like..>Vayne and Grack, unsure when they came in. I don't see anything particularly damning in the votes unless ss is mafia. Assuming BC is mafia, I still think SOME of the votes on him could be mafia, but otherwise I'm not really getting anything except just a basic assumption that scum want SOME influence. 33 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:16 PM ET (US) That makes sense. Assuming all candidates were town, would that implicate someone? austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:14 PM ET (US) Even if they don't run someone, in my head, they at least want some say in who is mayor. They can look at likely targets, and try to avoid anyone that is trying to actually lynch mafia. This assumes anyone was, and that mayoral candidates were posting scum lists and discussing lynches, which they super weren't. 31 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:11 PM ET (US) Of course if they didn't even try to run for mayor/pardoner they wouldn't have any need whatsoever to consolidate, but this is just WIFOM. I am kind of wanting to like supersoft for scum, because that would make the mayoral votes make much more sense, but that's quite incompatible with Pandain being scum... 30 austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:07 PM ET (US) I'm having problems with the mayoral votes now. We have 6 scum. We know mocsta is scum, and ended the day voting for himself as the only person. That means 5 scum votes in play. I THINK thrawn is scum, not as super hard as BC and others, but think it. Maybe hard, I dunno. Game so wonky. If thrawm is scum, that means that scumHiro voted himself and left his vote there throughout the day. Means only FOUR scum votes in play. Now, hiro was AFK and had to be replaced, so maybe that's legitimate. But if Thrawn and mocsta are BOTH scum, and scum only have 4 remaining votes, i DON'T see them stranding any votes, like Onegu. No way he sits on himself when they've already lost 1/3 of their influence on the thread. It's POSSIBLE this implicates people like slam, rayn, and other folks who were on themselves but later consolidated, except i think it's more likely scum is just scattered, and since I think BC is scum I kind of question some votes on him, which I guess implicates cheese and slam. Don't think mafia runs BC and supersoft against each other? Probably not. 29 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:01 PM ET (US) Also, I kind of agree that Onegu might be town. Not a very solid read though. Didn't really think his campaign was very alignment indicative but the rest of it gives town read on gut even though he's not really participating as much as I'd expect. He hasn't lurker as scum in any game I've played with him though so perhaps the lurking isn't very alignment indicative. 28 austinmcc 11-22-2013 05:00 PM ET (US) Unsure. 27 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 04:59 PM ET (US) What about Alakaslam? I keep swapping him between town and scum in my notes... 26 austinmcc 11-22-2013 04:57 PM ET (US) His filter is tiny. His mayoral campaign got no support, I don't know why mafia would campaign for mayor without ANY support whatsoever, and keep that going. His big HF post/case on D1 blew, imo, and felt scummy. His justifications when I asked him about that post felt like butt, but he continued the same thought process about HF asking questions while not speaking himself (something that I disagreed with him on). He responds to Marv's posting of the town/scum numbers, gut read that's town. I like Onegu for town. His filter reads townie to me in enough points that it outdoes his early poopcase on HF. 25 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 04:51 PM ET (US) Thoughts on Onegu? 24 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 04:50 PM ET (US) There's not a single person I'd consider town enough that I wouldn't want to retain the option to lynch them later if it turns out I've been wrong. If I could remove votes, I'd take raynpelikoneet and Alakaslam at least, the former is just impossible to follow and the latter is very much random and defies any attempts at figuring out. Don't have a third name right now. 23 austinmcc 11-22-2013 04:41 PM ET (US) Okay. If you could ... remove 5 people from lynchability for the rest of the game, who would you choose? People you think are super duper duper mega town. If you could remove votes from 3 people in the game, who and why? Scum, you think they're making poor decisions, etc. etc. 22 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 04:40 PM ET (US) I don't super agree with them, no. Koshi is the one I'm most afraid of, because if I'm wrong about him and he is actually scum it means I'm probably wrong about a lot of other things. 21 austinmcc 11-22-2013 04:31 PM ET (US) So you're not a big fan of any of yamato's final reads? This isn't a trap, this is just...he wrote koshi/thrawn if useless/oats. I just want to see if you agree/disagree with them, and it looks like you are town/town/? on those three. 20 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 04:29 PM ET (US) I'm really torn on Koshi. I expected him to query me in the mason QT far more than he did, he was just being very friendly which gives me bad vibes. On the other hand, yamato was also quite friendly in our mason QT and he was town... Koshi's thread presence gives me slight town read, but I'm not at all certain I can read him very well. I don't think thrawn2112 is scum unless my Pandain read is wrong. And if we talk about useless, you could add players like Mr. Cheesecake, myself, Alakaslam and Onegu to the list pretty much. The last read I had on Oatsmaster was pretty null-ish, I'll go and check his filter (I need to do that to evaluate supersoft's claim anyway). 19 austinmcc 11-22-2013 04:18 PM ET (US) If BC is scum, it makes Oats very very very very very likely town. It makes Mig likely town. It possibly implicates cheese, possibly you, because he goes off on a lot of inactive-y folks but not the two of you. Quit possibly thrawn as well. In each case, he really doesn't say anything about that set of folks, he has a COUPLE of interactions with thrawn, but it's always thrawn going, "Hey BC, tell me about x!" and not really much else. Thrawn less implicated because of that, but I could see him just helping BC push an agenda, specifically, BC's interpretation of mocsta's flip and interactions. 18 austinmcc 11-22-2013 04:13 PM ET (US) You masoned yamato D1. Out of his reads late into N1, which do you like best? His filter for reference - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...r=yamato77&view=all Koshi, thrawn is he's useless (and he has been useless), oats, anything out of that group do something for you? 17 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 04:12 PM ET (US) I see your vote is on BloodyC0bbler. If he is scum, would you say that would implicate anyone else? 16 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 03:57 PM ET (US) He can't really copy what someone else said since the only "case" on me is raynpelikoneet's "scumslip" case more or less. (There are some "he's lurking" cases but those are hardly good enough for _top_ scum read, I'd think.) Couple of things that make me think he might be scum: 1. claims it is advantageous for town to get the assassins out 2. twice essentially says there are scum doctors (not maybe, just flat out there are scum doctors) 3. wished for Stutters modkill 4. kind of backpedaled on BH (called BH scum, then a bit later he was still scum but not best lynch anymore) 5. ignores me when I ask for reasons on his read on me None of this alone would be very indicative of anything but it adds up... 15 austinmcc 11-22-2013 03:41 PM ET (US) Imo, scumpandain could easily cook something up. He's comfortable enough as scum to be pretty active, and other people had already put reasons in thread why they found you scummy. If he really needed a reason, he could just copy paste someone else's and say he agreed, throw a slight spin on it to add his own stuff. In the same vein, last time you gave reads, I see Pandain/Mig/me. Why is pandain a top read? All you say is that he looked bad, then good, but now you're his top scum read so he's back on your list. Apart from his interaction with you, do you actively find him scummy? 14 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 03:37 PM ET (US) Scumpandain doesn't have actual reasons so he would have to cook something up. Townpandain might be... lazy? This is kind of the crux, I can't think of reasonable reasons why he'd ignore my request if he's town. 13 austinmcc 11-22-2013 03:35 PM ET (US) Why does scumpandain ignore your request? Why does townpandain ignore your request? 12 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 03:27 PM ET (US) There could be reasons. My problem is with him ignoring me when I ask for said reasons. 11 austinmcc 11-22-2013 03:23 PM ET (US) Mildly. But as scum, pandain could easily make up a reason, including a reason that sounded different. Given that his town read was based purely on your actions in masoning Yamato, you don't think there's any reason for his read to have changed? 10 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 03:14 PM ET (US) Pandain avoiding explaining his sudden read changes on me is scummy. Agree/disagree? 9 austinmcc 11-22-2013 03:01 PM ET (US) Ugh. Everything by everyone. I claimed vet during N2 resolution. Supersoft claimed RB. Claims to have told BC in mason chat D1 that he was town RB and blocking oats. Vayne claimed hatter. Rayn previously claimed hatter, says he was lying. Cheesecake continues to say I'm the doctor, but not in a serious way. Mig claimed 2-shot vigi, shot sharrant N1, mattchew N2. Grack sort of claimed mason, but isn't one. The mason logs between SS and pandain show pandain claiming Vet. Pandain says he never claimed vet. 8 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 02:59 PM ET (US) Can you give me a quick TL;DR version of the claims that happened during early D3 or so? I haven't had time to figure that out yet. 7 austinmcc 11-22-2013 02:50 PM ET (US) Okay. Don't even worry about this supersoft/BC/oats stuff if you don't already have thoughts about it. I just want to sit down and have a nice rapid fire conversation, want to see quick honest thoughts and want to give you some quick honest thoughts and see where you think I'm wrong / missing things / etc. 6 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 02:41 PM ET (US) Yes, just got home half an hour ago. Trying to catch up and reading Pandain's filter. 5 austinmcc 11-22-2013 02:37 PM ET (US) I am back. You around? 4 austinmcc 11-22-2013 10:16 AM ET (US) Also Hi! We haven't played together from what I remember. 3 austinmcc 11-22-2013 10:15 AM ET (US) Yup Yup. I just checked this and have to run shortly, but I will be able to be active in here in...like 3.5 or so hours? You're more than welcome to get active in thread, you've just been somewhat absent today and are on some peoples' lists of folks to lynch, and I wanted to see more from you to figure out whether to move you up or down. I know you're just catching up, but if you could at least look at supersoft/BC/oats stuff, that would be helpful. (supersoft claims BC masons him D1, supersoft claims he's town RB and going to RB oats, supersoft isn't blocked, we don't have all the KP accounted for, therefore supersoft thinks BC town/oats mafia) 2 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:13 AM ET (US) Hello. I believe you wanted to chat with me. 1 marvellosity 11-22-2013 04:52 AM ET (US) LoneMeow + austinmcc mason Day 3/Night 3 I got a bunch of thoughts to research and track down today. Off the top of my head, here are a couple: (1) LM picked up a number of votes early yesterday, and went from LM SO TOWNIE D1 FOR MASONING YAMATO to LM PROBABLY SCUM for a decent number of people without a boatload of reasoning. I want to look at people who hopped on him early yesterday, there was a wave of folks who jumped on LM and never really fought for his lynch later in the day. Vayne, rayn, cheese all voted within I think the first hour of the day, and then POOF. He never picked up more votes, he never got seriously argued for by vayne or cheese, and I want to track down their reads on him and see how they evolved. IF LM is town, I think he was a particular person scum felt they could mislynch (I'd said I was looking at thrawn/LM, rayn was scummy on LM, etc.), and one or both of those votes is scum, imo. (2) I want to look over where scumreads on BC come from. I think there are a few people who just limped into calling him scum at some point, and never really interacted with him AT ALL but just kinda kept parroting he was scum. My tired notes from last night say look at cheese for this. 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On November 24 2013 01:24 Mig wrote: Okay. For me, I don't know how much we can make of BC's last minute swap. I think you can read it as either: (1) trying to save Risen; (2) trying to kill Pandain; or (3) trying to mindfuck us. BC knows he's going to die, and I don't think we can put TOO much stock into knowing which of the 3 he was doing.I don't have a lot of time before I have to leave for the day but I will try to look into vayne before I go. My main thought about him is that I am really convinced that Risen is mafia. Risen's posts just have too much bs. And at the end of the yesterday look how incredibly hard Risen tried to save himself. He didn't give a fuck who he voted out he just wanted to survive. He tried to get multiple bandwagons started, he had no problem voting pandain/rayn he said bc was scummy yet threw out the idea of saving him. And then there is BC's play to save Risen right at the end. So many things point to Risen as mafia. And if Risen is mafia then Vayne is 99% not mafia. IF mafia actually believe Pandain is a vet, I could 100% see them trying to take him out with a lynch. If nothing else, thrawn and coag are BOTH on the pandain lynch (as is LM), and so, if you find them all scummy, you've got to think that, regardless of risen's alignment, mafia wanted to lynch pandain. BC's movement may be trying to kill Pandain, rather than trying to save Risen. For me, I don't think scum risen goes super nuts, and I don't think scum risen pulls his vote off of Pandain. I think scum Risen makes less of a spectacle of himself and lets some others do a little work, or lets town just do whatever and waits a little longer. He started defending himself/getting active/getting multiple bandwagons started a decent ways before the lynch, and I don't know why he doesn't sit tight a little longer as scumRisen. I'm null on whether he does all this campy stuff at the very end about lynching townies. scumRisen is just entertaining himself, which isn't out of the question, but...it's a lot of JUNK to be posting instead of just him swapping his vote to Pandain. | ||
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On November 24 2013 01:47 Holyflare wrote: I posted the log from the first bit of D3/N3 above. He seemed to mason me relatively early, because I got the invite at like 4 or 5 AM EST. Day started at...8 PM the night before? So it seemed like relatively early in the day he masoned.I think scum can mason whoever the hell they want to be truthful. When exactly did he mason you? Was it the start of the day? Or did he wait to see what was going on before he did it and make an educated attempt at finding out your alignment? Also in regards to Onegu, he says I'm scum for calling saying LM's mason day 1 could be scum LM and then posts this: and calls him town for it.... LOL.. I don't even know what to think of it at all because it actually looks like a joke I hadn't really done anything in that day phase yet. | ||
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On November 24 2013 01:59 Mig wrote: I think that thrawn is mafia. Agree with you there. Austin, Risen did absolutely NOTHING the entire game until he was close to being lynched. He faked that he didn't really care and oh well town is bad guess I get lynched. He then proceeds to fucking post 100 times in the last few hours. He tried to get a train started on Oats, he tried to get a train started on HF. He voted rayn and voted pandain at one point as well. I mean are you reading his reasoning for any of this? He proceeds to say I am possibly mafia because I am giving my reads during the night lol. He also said my shot on mattchew was scummy (so did BC). Seriously go through Risen's filter and timeline and explain to me why he is town. He brought so much chaos to the thread around lynch yet tried to claim he was making things better (lol). He has multiple posts where he just attacks like 10 different people trying to see if anyone will agree with him and latch on so he can get a train started to save himself. His entire play around lynch looks like very good scum play. IF coag and LM are mafia, risen voted oats instead of pandain. If pandain is town, mafia passed up a chance to lynch a vet, despite probably REALLY wanting to do so, because the next time they lose a mafioso, they only have 1 KP. I'll add his filter to my list of stuff to really go through. | ||
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On November 24 2013 02:10 Holyflare wrote: No clue on his activity, was happy to have him active somewhere and was gonna post log, so I mainly just wanted to get and keep him talking. Also, austin, I think LM's responses are fine. It looks like it has a thought process (even if he doesn't specifically say it at some points, eg. "I think bla bla looks good if bla bla flips scum" but I'm interested to know why he's so active in there giving those responses to your questions rather than posting those ideas to the town in general? He has a complete lack of contribution and is witholding that information until someone specifically asks him. He's also just posting thoughts and if it was early in the day before you had really started to do much then he isn't trying to work out your alignment at all. | ||
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On November 24 2013 02:15 Mig wrote: I will reread his filter closely, but a Risen who puts a second vote on oats and picks up ZERO extra votes on oats isn't, imo, really saying fuck it and try to get people to switch.If Risen Votes for both pandain and rayn and then BC moves over and lynches pandain it makes Risen look impossibly bad. They may have thought Risen could talk his way out of a lynch otherwise. Clearly Risen is very good at convincing others to believe him. Also, it is a mistake to just assume mafia will play totally optimally with their votes. Around lynch time with so much chaos and everybody switching back and forth mafia make mistakes also. Anyway though just look at Risen's reasoning, look how little effort he put into the game until he was near lynch, look at how he focused so much on the ss/pandain thing when it was obvious what pandain was trying to do. I think Risen is smart enough he knew exactly what pandain was attempting. I am not sure I have ever seen anyone try so hard to save themselves right before a lynch.Obviously townies should try to save themselves also, but when you put absolutely no effort into the game EXCEPT right around lynch then you put in an insane effort, that is a red flag. Especially if you aren't actually trying to lynch scum and you are just willing to vote for anyone that other people will agree with. Do you believe Risen actually thought Oats was mafia? Did he mention him at any point earlier in the game? He just knew SS had a case against him so fuck it try and get people to switch. In your example, scumRisen has a team of 4 buddies. He wants to save himself by lynching oats. NONE of his buddies help him out. He picks a target with only one vote, rather than a target with more. scumRisen could pick LM, scumRisen could pick thrawn, scumRisen could pick anyone that his TEAM is pushing. Instead, he picks a dude with one vote, convinces nobody, and gets NO help from a team. If scumRisen is going "I want to get someone lynched instead of me, and the best option is Oats" then scumRisen is an idiot and his team is entirely uncoordinated. I don't believe scumRisen is an idiot. I AM willing to believe the team is somewhat uncoordinated though. I'll read Risen. I'll update my read on him. If you're limited on time, please look at vayne, both with and without the claim. | ||
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(2) The scummiest thing I can find from him is the Bloodyc0bbler for mayor vote (3) Mig accounts for KP we cannot explain. If you think he is mafia, you think mafia used a 2-shot vig to hit sharrant and mattchew. When mattchew was called scummy by a bunch of people. Mafia has NOTHING to gain from NKing mattchew when he is such a nice mislynch for later, and mig shot him. (4) Read (3) again. Read it again, but backwards. Now stand on your head and read it. Mig isn't mafia. (5) I thought about putting posts in qt CALLING MIG SCUMMY TO TRY AND SAVE HIS LIFE TONIGHT GONNA TRY TO MAKE HIM SCUMMY BLAH BLAH but it's just not possible. | ||
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On November 24 2013 04:23 Risen wrote: If both ss and pandain are scum, we had, of people who have played a good bit longer than meAnd god fucking damnit how do you not consider the possibility that Pandain AND SS are scum? EVERYONE thinks ss is town? Really? You trying to create that narrative here? Like holy fuck I'm open to the possibility that every single person in this game could be scum. I get shouted down as paranoid because I leave open situations in which I could be wrong about my reads. It's scummy as fuck to say "X is town". How do you know? VE/BH assassin SS/BC/Pandain scum mig/coag/(risen?) town Useless speculation is that such a setup feels mildly weighted in favor of scum, which maybe it is if town has 4 billion KP, as you tend to not look particularly townie and coag ...I dunno, seems to often be lurky. Useless speculation is that I don't think scum fake THAT MANY mason logs, or bother doing THAT MUCH masoning on D1, as SS/BC/Pandain all involved in masonry. Useless speculation is that, if ss is mafia, 80% of his posting from D2 and D3 is how oats is scum because ss is RB and blocked KP and because oats is scum, BC is town, because scumBC knew ss was going to rb oats. I don't think that scumss ties himself THAT HARD to scumBC. He has no real reason to do so. He could build a more convincing case - on either a juicier target than oats OR on a scummier target than oats, imo, someone who was more discussed during N1. The choice of oats for the target of scumSS/scumBC trying is wonky, not right, doesn't fit. That last bit isn't just speculation, that's a real thought and I don't understand the SS/BC/oats interaction there if ss is mafia. Useless speculation, if pandain/ss are both mafia, then why does the vet claim/altered logs/no alter stuff go down like it did? They don't really need to do that. pandain can be mad at ss that he posted vet, he can say "yeah, i'm vet", he can do whatever. Instead, they ... they fumble a handoff. ss has no idea what's going on, and his posts read like he has no idea what's going on. If you read ss's posts about pandain's claim, he seems LEGITIMATELY uncertain what people are talking about. scumpandain/scumSS situations mean that ss would know exactly what was going on. | ||
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IF YOU WANT TO DIE AND ARE TOWN, DO IT AFTER WE KILL A FRIGGIN' MAFIA. YOU ARE 100% NOT A GUARANTEED LYNCH TOMORROW, AND THRAWN IS A NICE LYNCH AND I THINK WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM OVER YOU REGARDLESS OF YOUR ALIGNMENT AND WHAT YOU DO. Nobody cares either way about your "woe is me, kill me now" posting. So knock it off. We find mafia, we lynch mafia. Then you can commit seppuku or whatever you want. You have no idea what happens tonight, who dies, whether if ss is town he ACTUALLY BLOCKS SOMETHING AND WE ALL SPLOOGE AND HIGH FIVE AND THE GAME IS SUPER SUPER NICE TOMORROW. | ||
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If you were both countries, and were negotiating a diplomatic treaty throughout the last week, what are the notes you have from your various meetings? Also, BC was mafia. He was ded. Is there any one single thing you think you can take away from his last reads post or his vote swap? A read, an alignment? | ||
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On November 24 2013 05:36 austinmcc wrote: EBWOP: Throughout the game. Not just what happened at lynchtime.Okay. Now without the diplomacy, and just your evolving read on BC | ||
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I did not look into most of the things I want to look into yet, and I need to add to that list looking for people who were scummy on mattchew but weakly committed to it. Anyone who fits a bunch of these criteria: (1) occasionally mentions mattchew scummy, especially out of the blue during N2 (and ESPECIALLY if they call mig's shot bad) (2) was on BC D1 (3) voted BC D3 with little/no reasoning (4) moved OFF BC D3 for weak-ish reasons or onto weak-ish reads (5) Was relatively inactive/silent during D3, popping up only to explain their vote needs to be seriously seriously examined. Cuz that right there is a bunch of stuff that sort of fits what, imo, mafia would be doing this game. I really, really doubt I'll be dead tomorrow, but just in case, someone should do this. And you should 100000% lynch thrawn over risen. There's a CHANCE that risen is town. It's non-zero. There's pretty much NO CHANCE that thrawn is town. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:12 Pandain wrote: Buncha reasons!Is there a reason people think Austin is town? I noticed he wasn't on your list Supersoft. Are you unconvinced? | ||
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Also, supersoft, would really like to know who you roleblocked. If you actually stop a KP, you can't be dead and you can say tomorrow. But there's probably some corner case that your choice of RB target could be relevant in the future if a certain ability or something is found missing. At the very least, claim to someone in a mason chat or something if you're sure they're not going down. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:31 Holyflare wrote: Nope! But I'm going to now.it's in my mason logs, have you not read it? | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote: You find thrawn townie? Any specific reason?I do not think austin is town. I find it hard to believe he has learned nothing from nuclear and ## mafia and is for a third time pushing me as scum, especially when it's this absurd. Looks like a ploy to look crazy. Four remaining scum for me right now are.... austinmcc alakaslam risen(?) least sure on this one koshi or LM Any specific reason you're townie on cheese? Any specific reason you were scummy on me? | ||
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Gut read on mason logs is that LM is town. I wish the log had been productive during N3 but it has not, I'ma post it before deadline, but there ain't much and it doesn't look as good as the earlier bits did. If my questions aren't answered and I are dead, please someone follow up on them. I still end up with 3 mafia inside Pandain/Cheese/HF/Risen/Vayne/Slam, with an outside chance of Coag, and an also somewhat outside chance of Onegu, but they're a ways down my list. I would look at Cheese and Slam first, Vayne after. I have not gotten ANYONE to really carry on a dialogue today about vayne, and that worries me. Heck, nobody even really chimes in about vayne except mig, and he never went back and actually looked at the filter. I see a lot of questionable or possibly-questionable stuff in vayne's filter, not a lot of active, DOING something, PUSHING something vayne. For questionable/possibly-questionable stuff, if I am dead, look at bomb targeting, look at voting slam instead of BC because his bomb would kill BC (this is also a slam/vayne interaction, to look at if either ever flips), look at the way he "confirms" himself off of mocsta's post and whether you read it to confirm vayne, and look to see if you can find any kind of genesis for some of his reads. ss is not in my list because right now I'm trusting this roleblock claim, and I don't think he needs to get got anytime soon. If I die, you'll see that I'm a vet. I don't think it's impossible to have two, especially if we had 3 2-shot vigis and a possible hatter. That's a lot of KP flying around. Pandain looks decent because of BC's wifom-y vote, but it's a wifom-y vote, and not 100%. If supersoft is town though, I don't terribly see Pandain fakeclaiming so early, and so I trust his claim a decent bit. Off the top of my head, there's nothing in my notes that was a flag on Pandain, but I have not checked to see how many of the ... timing and voting things I'm looking for. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote: What fluff and conversations?picking and choosing people to converse with and early fluff. Now I am fairly certain you are scum after you are trying to push me and sealing rayn's fate. Any specific reason why you were scummy on me? You continue to have NO explanation for your previous scumread. I don't care whether you think I'm mafia or not, you have ENTIRELY failed to explain why you thought I was scum before my vote yesterday, despite calling me scum. And when pushed for your reasoning, the ONLY reasoning you have provided is the vote and actions after the vote. NONE of which explain the earlier scumread. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:45 supersoft wrote: Okay. I got no problem as long as people know. I don't THINK there's a way for you to get caught in this if you're scum, you can always lie about your target, but...just in case it's good to have somewhere.told holyflare and mig who i blocked. i am not sure, if i want the scumteam to know this. So far we keep this as a secret. i think it's no big deal, since they will most likely RB me anyway. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:46 supersoft wrote: In the nicest possible way,oh lol you're a vet, too? that's sweet. ............................................................... | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:50 supersoft wrote: BC made it so rayn died instead of risen.pandain is confirmed town, austin. BC tried to kill him. His vetclaim makes sense. He is town. BC did not actually affect pandain's getting lynched or not. i THINK that pandain's list of voters looks the scummiest of all options. He is absolutely not a good lynch right now. But he's not 10000% confirmed to me. He hasn't heavily pinged my senses in either direction, but if we flip a couple scum in his voters then I agree he ain't to be flexed with. | ||
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52 austinmcc 11-22-2013 07:30 PM ET (US) What do you make of BC's large post? 53 austinmcc 11-22-2013 08:01 PM ET (US) Mic check one two, mic check one two. Would still like to know some substantive thoughts on BC's large post, regardless of his flip. 54 austinmcc 11-22-2013 08:51 PM ET (US) I'm stepping back from game for a little, maybe for the rest of the night (it's almost 9 EST). Would like to hear your thoughts on BC's large reads post still. And ... Vayne. Whatchoo think 'bout Vayne? 55 austinmcc 11-23-2013 12:40 PM ET (US) Also interested, given your scumread on pandain, what you think about the voters on him and BC's swap to pandain last second. 56 austinmcc 11-23-2013 03:59 PM ET (US) NONONO PLEASE RETURN. Lonemeow lonemeow lonemeow! 57 LoneMeow 11-23-2013 05:00 PM ET (US) Well hello there, I am back. Give me a moment to catch up. 58 LoneMeow 11-23-2013 05:51 PM ET (US) BC's last minute swap is just pure WIFOM territory. It decided between raynpelikoneet and Risen if I'm not mistaken. So it could have been to save Risen, or it could have been to make it look like he wanted to save Risen. 59 austinmcc 11-23-2013 07:10 PM ET (US) If I had not voted at 3 minutes to go, it would have decided between risen/pandain. Because I swapped my vote to rayn with 3 minutes left, his last-minute vote decided between risen/rayn, ya. Okay. Still interested in thoughts on that final post of his. Do you think he thought he could convince anyone? Is there a read in there that feels genuine? Is there any read that looks 100% made up? It's conjecture, speculation, but every one of those reads is either real or made-up. Based on what he called out and his language, some of the reads might lean one way or the other for you. 60 LoneMeow 11-23-2013 07:38 PM ET (US) The post itself felt quite convincing, but IMHO it was too late to be very likely to save him (and I'd expect him to have realized that), so it most likely was made to confuse. From what I can see, most of the reads are consistent with his earlier stances. Some points to note: 1. gives Koshi 100% town when the previous read was "could go either way" 2. Oatsmaster is mafia when he previously is kind of wishy washy about it 3. it's interesting that he picks Hopeless1der as scum because he's lurking when there are others who are more or less just as lurky and useless 61 austinmcc 11-23-2013 07:49 PM ET (US) Okay. I'm going to post this, AND I AM ALSO GOING TO MAKE UP A FAKE MESSAGE AND PUT AT THE END OF IT ABOUT YOU BEING A PRETTY KITTY OR SOMETHING. FOR ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY BOTHERS TO READ THESE LOGS, I HAVE ADDED A FAKE MESSAGE ABOUT LM BEING A PRETTY KITTY. NONE OF THE OTHER MESSAGES ARE FAKE. BUT I AM ADDING ONE BECAUSE IT ENTERTAINS ME. SO TAKE THAT. 62 austinmcc 11-23-2013 07:49 PM ET (US) Thanks for masoning me and being pretty chatty. I would suggest being relatively active in thread over the next couple days. As people die, thread gets less spammy, so it's easier to follow. And if you're town, you need to have some presence and take some stances that you back up, because otherwise you're going to get mislynched in short order, once we're down to a bunch of ?s. 63 LoneMeow 11-23-2013 07:52 PM ET (US) I'm a pretty kitty. A very pretty kitty. Meow :3 Here is the very end of D3 and N3 for our mason chat. I wanted him to answer questions about BC's final posts before I put those questions in thread, so I cut them from the last mason chat I posted and added them here once he answered. | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:53 VayneAuthority wrote: Just like one of our hatters was scum!if you think pandain is certain town then you should agree with me that austin is scum. one of those 2 is scum for sure. and slam is way too low on your list. Owait...you're saying that neither is. Should I give up on trying to get you to provide reasoning for your earlier scumread? You're just gonna go the no justification route, because that's what feels super townie to you? | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: We're following SS's list. Why are you following SS's list? What's your read on thrawn? Why were/are you scummy on LM? | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Then go with this, why are we following ss's list?Its been 5 minutes. Austin stop asking useless questions On November 24 2013 10:09 VayneAuthority wrote: Why are we lynching down ss's list?There's not much to discuss. We are lynching SS' top suspect and if he's wrong then we can talk about it. | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:14 VayneAuthority wrote: Because we've had a number of confirmed town, and nobody said we should lynch down OOHCHILD or Artanis's lists.Why not? I always give confirmed town the benefit of the doubt. Then if they are wrong with our top read I ignore everything else. Also, ss just yesterday was townie on BC and scummy on oats, and maintained his position throughout, indicating that, at least through yesterday, he was wrong on same major reads. During the night, he posted little, and did not realize that I had previously claimed mason. Overall, I don't see why we would mindlessly sheep down SS's list, given that he was absolutely convinced oats was mafia and BC was town, and given that he did not catch pandain's vet claim, nor my vet claim. I'm not sure why you would follow him over other confirmed townies if you're just going to sheep someone's reads. | ||
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Why are you sheeping the list of the dude who was wrong on BC/oats and kept arguing it? Why are you sheeping the list of the dude who has missed a lot of stuff that happened this game? | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:20 VayneAuthority wrote: It's not a very good reason. You at least have to admit that.because I do what I want, how about that | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:31 Alakaslam wrote: Do YOU have any, Sir Slam?Ok, so it looks like everyone wants to give Texas what he wanted. Any objections...? thrawn, I notice you really poked at onegu's votes, which are, indeed, kinda awful. Do you think his play as a WHOLE is scummy? Is the rest of his play townie/null, but the votes are just so bad that he's scummy? If I don't want to lynch risen (and I don't), and you don't want me lynching you (you don't), then let's chat, or you can send me down some filter holes to go check people out, or ... pretty much whatever. But I'd like to know your thoughts on the rest of onegu's play. | ||
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His votes yesterday look like mega-butt though, BC swap aside. How do you feel about various entities on this list: Pandain (6): I assume you find yourself townie, so coag, thrawn, LM. | ||
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On November 24 2013 13:53 Hopeless1der wrote: I want to hear from mig about why he finds the log scummy. I find the start townie, I wish he'd stayed active and talked/bullshitted with me about BC's dying post and stuff, but oh well. It lessens the townieness of our mason chat, but overall I'm still...okay with it I think.i trust you the most right now since you appear to give a shit about continuing to play the game, so for that your read of LM as town gets sheeped by me. However, LM has done next to nothing this game so its only because I don't have a better reason than "lurking" to call him scum that I choose to ignore him. The game is over 300 pages, and he still has 3. One hundredth of the thread is LoneMeow. Thats fucked. If it was LYLO, he'd be under consideration but for now, forget about him. Coag is as about as useless as LM, but with double the filter. I agree that thrawn looks scummy based on the past couple pages. More suiciding onto Grack makes no sense though, so I'm hesitant. I'd be willing to lynch thrawn today, at least over Risen (but not over Pandain). On November 24 2013 13:54 Grackaroni wrote: What do you think about the parts in both rayn and hopeless's cases on Pandain's storrzerg read D1?Yeah I don't agree with your case Hopeless. It's already been well explained by now that Pandain didn't want to reveal to the thread that he was a veteran (what's the point of being a veteran if you do) that is why he lied. I agree some of the Storrzerg stuff was really strange but other than that I don't see anything worthwhile in your case. Pandain's posts regarding BH were actually completely misrepresented in your case as well. | ||
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On November 24 2013 14:21 Grackaroni wrote: I'll do a post on it later today or sometime. He's not a lynch for today, I'm just frustrated that he can turn sideways and disappear and nobody looks at him. it's a combo of:I don't doubt that you read lol. What are the questionable things you keep mentioning about Vayne? The bulk of your argument seems to be based on Vayne claiming mad hatter and BC forgetting to mention vayne when discussing much kp town has which seems dumb to me. If he was in a QT with Vayne I'm sure vayne would be in there blabbing about his hatter claim in the QT so he's not exactly more likely to forget Vayne when talking about that. Aside from that how frequently do scum breadcrumb a role from the start of the game all game long and make themselves stuck to that claim? I'd say close to never. - BC mentions the other KP claimers, not vayn. It's not just this. I read BC's post, especially when he flips scum, as ACTUALLY thinking town had a bunch of KP this game and he hated that idea. They have 1 or more than 1 medic(s), but still...lotta town KP. But who does he leave off the town KP list entirely? Vayne. He's posting about town KP, why we can't have 3 town KP sources, and he entirely omits the guy who keeps mentioning how many crumbs he left and how his claim is airtight. BC read the thread, saw rayn's claim, but entirely missed Vayne's? And once rayn says his claim was fake, BC doesn't address whether artanis/vayne/Mig can all be town KP sources, despite arguing previously we couldn't have artanis/rayn/mig. - His "confirming" himself based off mocsta read wonky to me last night - + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 10:26 VayneAuthority wrote: mocsta scumslips that I am town here, so if you push me from here I will just think you are dumb unfortunately. boop. That's it. That one comment, after VA posted that giant wall of link text. But man oh man mocsta scumslips that VA is town, The End. - His read on me was troubling to me, watch it evolve:+ Show Spoiler + On November 17 2013 01:19 VayneAuthority wrote: I've definitely been keeping an eye on him as well, austinmcc looks suspicious to say the least. His random questions to 3 specific players that really had no connections to each other or we're even the main topics really rubbed me as strange Suspicious. npnp, fine read On November 18 2013 03:58 VayneAuthority wrote: Just outside initial scum reads, npnpaustin I have currently right outside the spectrum of my initial scum reads, if one of them flips town I would go to him as scum yes. Holyflare I honestly haven't paid attention to much tbh, I saw rayn was attacking him so I just let him do that and see what happens. On November 19 2013 03:26 VayneAuthority wrote: Slightly scumdat list post town: Thrawn, Grack, Me, Rayne, Risen, Mr. CC, Artanis, Oats Slightly town: Koshi, Coag, Pandain, Supersoft Slightly scum: BC, VE, austinmcc, kush Not Town: LM, BH Unknowns: mattchew, mig, onegu, hopeless, stutters, HF, Slam On November 20 2013 04:00 VayneAuthority wrote: Here's a thing on austin but there's no conclusion and I don't know if this is scummy or not at all and he doesn't say if he thinks it's scummy or not. Warning: Conjecture ahead So I did a little research on the timestamps of when SS announced he would kill mocsta as mayor and the votes that followed after that. Supersoft says he would kill mocsta at 9:57, says he will filter mocsta at 9:47 Austinmcc switches his vote to supersoft at 9:23 Then switches back to VE at 9:47 as well. I was hoping it would be a little more conclusive but he would have had to change his vote in the same minute for this to have any merit...anyways something to keep in mind for austin. On November 20 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm still slightly scummy, but I'm definitely a D3 lynch, LM and myself, not BC.LM and austin double lynch sounds good to me tomorrow On November 20 2013 10:31 VayneAuthority wrote: BC was a scum mayor candidate, sayeth VAscum ran for mayor from my calculations...they just didn't have a good candidate on their team. If I'm correct look at mocsta and BC who each got 1 and 2 votes respectively...oh they tried. On November 21 2013 11:20 VayneAuthority wrote: Lynch pandain/austin. Forget LM, forget BC, we lynch pandain/austin, a slight town and a slight scum readw/e then id also be down to lynch into pandain/austin, definitely one scum there On November 21 2013 13:44 VayneAuthority wrote: NOT ABOUT ME, but look. rayn could be a hatter, because we could totally have 2 hatters. This is 1000000% the opposite of the reason, I presume, that he wants to lynch pandain and I (assume we have 0-1 veterans)Only if for some reason you believe there can't be 2 mad hatters, when we have 20 masons running around and 50 other PRs. so I don't see why rayn's claim has to be fake. On November 23 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote: Still fine with lynching pandain/austin. Or cool with lynching BC/migI still think the safest double lynches would be pandain/austin or BC/mig because there is mutually exclusive scum in both of these. I am pretty sure about that When I asked him why I was scum early for him, he wouldn't respond. When I continued, he said it was because I voted to lynch rayn yesterday. That is NOT a reason for him to have wanted to lynch me D3, it's not a reason to lynch into pandain/austin, and it's not a reason he found me slightly scummy back on D2. THIS IS IMPORTANT, AND REALLY WHAT GOT ME A LITTLE TUNNELED ON HIM. WHEN ASKED FOR REASONING ON HIS EARLY SCUMREAD ON ME, HE REPLIED THAT I WAS SCUM FOR A REASON THAT HAD NOT YET OCCURRED. HE HAS YET TO PROVIDE ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY I WAS SCUM BEFORE THE RAYN LYNCH. There is NOTHING in the thread from him about me beyond that stuff, while he DOES talk about LM, about BC, about some other folks. I'm a top lynch for him yesterday with NO reasoning. And the only reasoning I can infer from his posts is that he wants to lynch pandain/austinmcc yesterday. He floats this idea MULTIPLE times, despite it lacking LM (his top scumread), BC (the thread's top scumread and a scumread of his), and DESPITE ARGUING THAT WE COULD HAVE TWO HATTERS. - His bombs. + Show Spoiler + (1) He puts a bomb on OOHCHILD N2, because OOHCHILD was "shitting up the thread" at some point. + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote: kush is such a bad player that he made me waste one on him when he started shitting up the thread, I changed it last second. (2) He puts a bomb on BC N2, despite artanis claiming he was going to vigi BC, because - + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2013 01:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Scum doctors, I wanted to stack Kp. On November 22 2013 01:58 VayneAuthority wrote: Also I never had a bomb on LM. figured we were lynching him today - He's one of two people to vote BC super early yesterday and then slide off without getting back on (The other was rayn). This fits a POSSIBLE pattern of scum thinking BC was dead, but town wasting a lot of the day and BC half-convincing a lot of people, and so going "Oh wow, BC actually isn't 100% dead after we RBed artanis. We can totally save him!" Now, THIS IS IMPORTANT. READ THIS CLOSELY. VA unvotes BC because his bomb is on BC. We don't need to lynch BC, because if mafia ever kill VA, BC will die. Open and shut case. Just N2, VA says he put his bomb on BC because he was worried about mafia medics blocking Artanis's KP. VA was worried about medics N2. But on D3, we do not need to lynch BC, because he'll die if VA dies. No medics now. No worries about medic protection despite him CLAIMING his bomb target. A mafia medic was gonna block Artanis's KP, but not good ol' VA's CLAIMED BOMB. He has entirely forget that he was worried about mafia medics, and we had not seen BC flip medic yet, so chances were still the same that they had one. There's a rough, ranty list. The key points for me are that:
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On November 24 2013 14:52 Alakaslam wrote: I have seen a lifeboat.Austin, Have you seen "Lifeboat"? But I have not seen a movie or TV show called "Lifeboat." | ||
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From the same guy who argues we have to lynch pandain/austinmcc yesterday because we can't both be veterans. Yet I've never claimed to be anything else, and crumbed my role on D1. Pandain has not claimed any other role, and apparently told SS D1 he was a veteran. pandain or myself is SURELY lying about our role, can't be multiples, and we have to be fakecrumbing/claiming a single role since D1. vayne is 100% town because he crumbed from D1. Also, rayn could have been hatter, because we could have multiple hatters. | ||
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But dear sweet Jesus I don't really understand what people are seeing in his filter. And I would like to have Some Serious Discussion Time, because I can't get a straight answer as to what people find super townie about him. And nobody seems to have critically read his filter, because there are big fat contradictions in there like how he treats hatter claims and veteran claims, and how he treats KP on BC during N2 and future nights. I'm off for the night after posting that. I'm gone for most of tomorrow. Would really like to see active LM. Would really like to see active thrawn, and for thrawn to speak about more of onegu's play than just his conduct during D3. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:12 Alakaslam wrote: Sure. Urrbody gots a right to be paranoid. K the movie is sublime watch with Casablanca. Envision a boat full of dejected survivors of a U-Boat torpedo on a cruise ship stuck with a Nazi officer who was aboard the cruise ship conducting espionage. He is the only one rowing the boat. Does this help you understand my fears this game? But if I'm a metaphorical Nazi here, I ain't steering no boat yet. Yar, she be fightin' me, this here vessel. Otherwise, I'm pretty open and honest with my thoughts. I think people can see/read MOST of what I'm thinking, and can figure out what I'm working from and where my thoughts go. I engage BC a lot yesterday, and, imo, it appears like he's singling me out as someone to try and convince, reason with, and really get off his back. He never attacks me as scum, he's always trying to be reasonable and just just just convince me that he's not scum. I don't see that as scum on scum interaction, I don't need to be convinced to save him if I'm scum, and he needs to work on convincing someone else that can maybe swing a vote or two. (Also, scum are the ones rowing a boat. It's a tiny boat, and it's sinking. Maybe it's just an inflatable life raft with a little hole in it. Town be some sharks in the water, hungry from scum. Chomp chomp, mafia) | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Does my finding you scummy determine your alignment? If I just find you scummy every game, you will always retroactively get a town PM?it's like the boy who cried wolf austin, we have 3 games together and you tunnel me in every single one, why do you expect anyone to take you seriously, especially given the circumstanes How come you put a bomb on BC N2, in order to stack KP with artanis's shot, in case of a mafia medic, but then you unvoted BC D3 because your bomb would kill him if mafia ever killed you? Where did the worry about a mafia medic go? | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:23 Pandain wrote: I thought oats was town before the BC flip. BC flipping mafia and ss flipping town does not give me reason to doubt that read.Austin, so who are your lynches for today? What do you think about Oats? My lynch of choice is thrawn atm. See vote. I need to give LM a closer look, and I want to check with mig on what he really dislikes about our logs, especially after I posted our N3 chat. He was someone I would have lynched at the start of D3, but now am, at the very least, worried/paranoid about, because he got a lot of "Let's lynch LM!" without a lot of reasoning and could have been a nice mislynch target. I also want to give cheese a much much closer read. There's a post from ...13 or something hours ago about things I wanted to look for. Cheese hits a couple and has mostly escaped heavy scrutiny. I wanna peek harder, and if a lot of warning bells are ringing, he's got an outside chance to really shoot up in my lynch preferences. Vayne I want discussion on, for now. And I need to read you harder and engage in more discussion there, possible-veteran-bro. | ||
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On November 24 2013 15:23 Grackaroni wrote: Overall, he was not terribly reasonable.lol Austin BC was not reasonable. I'm actually really unimpressed with his scum play. He did absolutely nothing but make excuses and accuse me for trolling and accuse mig for shooting a doctor. But he was trying very hard to be reasonable with some of his posts, and he was specifically targeting a bunch of questions and posts at me that were based purely in logic/thought exercises, in order to try and get me to unvote. If you check his filter, there's a line of posts when he was calling mig scum, and there's a line of posts right up towards the end of the lynch. iirc, those two separate back and forths. | ||
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On November 25 2013 01:00 Mig wrote: No, gone all day, top of the list for tomorrow. I've got a couple posts based on his actions yesterday, and why I don't think scumRisen flips out and does all the crap he did yesterday if he's scum. Scum had GREAT control over that lynch for so long in the day. I will double check the timing along with rereading him, but if Risen starts to meltdown BEFORE we get any kind of consensus on votes, then that feels townie to me. Why make a spectacle of yourself yesterday if you're scum and in the middle group?Austin/thrawn can you please explain to me exactly why you think Risen is town. Austin I keep seeing you say you are going to go back and read his filter. Well did you? Also, look at your other risen post. On November 23 2013 09:59 Risen wrote: If Risen is scum with BC and they are planning shenanigans to save risen, it's a ... tense moment for scum. They're watching votes, they NEED BC to swap unhindered in order to kill not-risen, and in order to kill pandain. Risen not only posts this, but he doesn't post "last second vote," or "voted but didn't post," or anything like that. He specifically calls it a "last second vote on rayn that doesn't matter." AUSTIN LAST SECOND VOTE ON RAYN THAT DOESNT MATTER SCUMMY AS FUCK If he knows BC is planning on swapping to Pandain (or anyone), then my vote ends up putting rayn at 6 before pandain hit 6. Risen would KNOW that my vote DID matter, and I'm hesitant to say that in the minutes right before we possibly lynch 2 scums (in the scumRisen world), he uses THAT phrasing, a vote that doesn't matter, when as mafia he would know that my vote WOULD matter. On November 25 2013 04:11 Pandain wrote: Thrawn was not in the game D1. He replaced hiro, who was mostly inactive D1. Whatchoo talkin' bout?To explain: 1. Extremely contributive day one, seemed to have town agendas and pushed them. Questioned people. Consistent. 2. Talked to BC ALOT. Like that would be weird to do, though it's not impossible. Double weird because this would be thrawn's first scum game? On November 25 2013 09:01 Risen wrote: You should read the thread. You SHOULD have thought about it like this, because THIS HAS BEEN POSTED. It is not magical new thinking, it's 100% true and it has already been put in the thread.+ Show Spoiler +I hadn't thought about it like this. I was more thinking along the lines of catching people out who have more information about my alignment than they should. I'm not home until late tonight, though. I'll post cases then. I don't think any case would/should prevent my lynch, though. At best it delays it maybe if we hit scum. But what if we hit town? What if I'm wrong? On November 24 2013 04:37 austinmcc wrote: IF YOU ARE TOWN, PLEASE STOP BEING DUMB. THERE ARE 4 MAFIA. IF WE KILL ONE THEIR KP GOES FROM 2 TO 1. IF YOU WANT TO DIE AND ARE TOWN, DO IT AFTER WE KILL A FRIGGIN' MAFIA. YOU ARE 100% NOT A GUARANTEED LYNCH TOMORROW, AND THRAWN IS A NICE LYNCH AND I THINK WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM OVER YOU REGARDLESS OF YOUR ALIGNMENT AND WHAT YOU DO. Nobody cares either way about your "woe is me, kill me now" posting. So knock it off. We find mafia, we lynch mafia. Then you can commit seppuku or whatever you want. You have no idea what happens tonight, who dies, whether if ss is town he ACTUALLY BLOCKS SOMETHING AND WE ALL SPLOOGE AND HIGH FIVE AND THE GAME IS SUPER SUPER NICE TOMORROW. The issue of super getting shot over others came up. Super was basically half a cop. He can't check people town (only town OR mafia and not delivering KP), but if he happens to RB someone who is mafia and shooting, PEW PEW. Dat sounds a wee bit dangerous for mafia to leave alive, IF they were worried we might lynch their own roleblocker (or if RBs resolve in such a way that they can't roleblock a roleblocker). He doesn't just have 2 lives, he can find scum via role, and it's possible that after today they couldn't stop him for at least 2 more cycles. | ||
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HERE IS THE LONG VERSION Stuff I find in Risen's filter : Critical of hiro/thrawn early - + Show Spoiler + On November 15 2013 17:09 Risen wrote: "*I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan." From one of hiro's posts. Why did he add this? Seems like something scum would be worried about but town wouldn't be. Tells me scumRisen plays by pointing out scummy stuff, either his own team or townies, but that scumRisen just scumhunts. So early on, at least somewhat truthful even if he's mafia. Feels scummy on HF, but is critical of Rayn's HF case. Likes some, but feels like rayn is wrong in a couple things he calls scummy. Looks like critical reading of a case on a scumread. scumRisen has option of +1ing, or just piling on. Votes BC mayor because of BC's grack/storrzerg post that WAS fluffy and meh. Boo. Cough cough, D4 Risen meet D1 Risen On November 16 2013 07:36 Risen wrote: Why not? I'm confused. I hate people who give solid town reads, but I give them from time to time and understand why people give them. Scum reads should always be given when you have them, or you can delay if you want to see that person post more, but why withhold information like that beyond a certain point? No one is perfect, maybe you're sitting on something people missed or glossed over and because you're not airing your scum reads people won't be as willing to believe your stuff later. Seems foolish/not pro-town at all to me. Is reading thread, following, BC asks storrzerg to vote for him. Risen tells BC unlikely, because BC had storrzerg scummy, might lynch him. Does scumRisen point this out? He's not calling BC scummy with it, just noting why someone wouldn't vote. If time, check pages 50 (BC posts his grack/storrzerg post) to 67 (risen posts that he liked BC's case initially, but not his followup). That's the PROPER response. Townie response. If other people have been saying this in the meantime Risen gets little/no townpoints for this. If risen vocalizes this sentiment before others do, moderate townpoints. Okay, so, nobody posted about BC's followup, but risen's answer was in direct response to me asking him whether he liked BC's followup. Risen's D1 BC read confusing. Within like a 1 hour span, he posts that he likes VE more than BC, but BC's posting is fine. Wants VE mayor/BC pardoner, no SS pardoner. But Risen wary of BC after BC wants VE/SS to get vests, not himself. Says it makes BC look scummy, like he committed too hard to candidacy and is now watching how he looks, which is scummy. N1 or something wants to kill yamato/OOHCHILD/HF, but can't remember reasons. But is fine lynching Pandain and calls rayn scummy for his pandain read, is fine lynching rayn as well. Has dropped all discussion of OOHCHILD/HF (yamato is ded). But then could lynch grack over rayn. N2 he's wants kills in Pandain/HF/Austin/Rayn. So he's somewhat consistent. Risen's stance on the grack/coag mason claim is that grack will be lynched, but it's unclear whether he's scum or not. I like that. Risen's posting turns into the "oh i'm leading, lynch me, woe is me, town is bad, etc." stuff Nov. 22 15:59 TL time. Lynch wasn't for 20ish hours. Town has not reached any consensus, votes are everywhere. Risen does NOT need to go nuts at this point. It puts the spotlight on him in a day where a lot of people are doing nothing, thread is fractured, votes are everywhere, and scum KNOW this. They can't be THAT worried about risen with this much time left, can they? IF risen actually thinks he's getting lynched, he IS crapping up the thread. Basically fine with lynching all non-risens, except he masks a bunch of his posts as scum lists, not "I will lynch whoever to live." Risen's response to understanding the supersoft RB oats thing is TO WANT TO LYNCH OATS, not SUPERSOFT. This is townie, because scum wants supersoft dead as the RBer (they know he's town and probably not lying). Risen UNVOTES supersoft when he learns about ss/oats. However, he says that if oats flips town, ss gets lynched next. So it's possibly this is all just setup, but mafia should be lynching ss NOW, ASAP. I am conflicted on this, because ss had lost a bunch of votes earlier, was down to just Hopeless and Risen. So if he was starting to seem like a poor lynch AND risen is mafia, mafia needs to find another candidate ASAP. I don't know why they find OATS here instead of someone with more votes though --> LM and rayn had 2 votes, and imo, LM would be easy to kind of swing thoughts onto. Him posting in the voting thread ... is either null or scummy. He makes a bunch of posts there, he should SEE it's the vote thread. Which means he's not paying attention at all OR he's actively posting in there to try and look stupid/unfocused, and argue that's townie because scum so worried about being lynched. He never uses this argument, so I'm okay with null on his posts in the vote thread. AT:KLJAEHNTLKAJEHTAEKT. RISEN UNVOTES PANDAIN AND LEAVES A VOTE ON OATS LIKE 2 HOURS BEFORE LYNCH. WHY DOES SCUMRISEN MOVE A VOTE OFF OF PANDAIN WHEN HE CAN MAKE UP REASONS TO KEEP IT THERE? HE PUTS IT ON HF WHICH IS SILLY AND A WASTE OF A VOTE WHEN MAFIA NEED TO BE USING THEIR VOTES. RISEN ACTIVELY UNVOTES THE DUDE THAT SCUMMY PEOPLE SEEM TO WANT TO HAVE LYNCHED YESTERDAY, AND HE DOES SO WHEN HE DOESN'T NEED TO. IF PANDAIN IS TOWN, AND HIS VOTES MAKE THAT SEEM LIKELY, THEN SCUMRISEN IS ACTIVELY CHOOSING NOT TO LYNCH A GUY THAT SCUM NEED TO KILL BECAUSE HE'S A FRIGGIN' VET IF HE'S TOWN AND THEY HAVE THREE VETS TO DEAL WITH IF PANDAIN IS TOWN AND THAT IS A LOT SO THEY WOULD WANT TO LYNCH HIM BUT RISEN DID NOT. LIKE RISEN CONTINUES TO SAY THAT THE SS/PANDAIN LOG SITUATION IS FUCKED, AND THAT SOMEONE IS MISCOMMUNICATING OR SOMEONE IS SCUM SCUM SCUM. HE CAN EASILY RIDE A PANDAIN LYNCH BASED OFF OF THEIR LOG. Some of his woe is me stuff is about him being pushed by scum. He's misreading his votes, making this out to be some kind of scum push when he's not ACTUALLY getting pushed while saying it, he's lost some votes. Don't like this. Risen is now concerned about the vote list of pandain, says he's voting pandain (but he's not). He's either just playing the dumb, confused guy card (which isn't valid as EITHER alignment), or...I don't know. Heck, as scum, he says "I think I'm voting pandain" --> "Wait, no i'm not" --> "Vote pandain". Pandain comes up, Risen "doesn't like Pandain's explanation" for his lying about the lots being altered, says it slipped his mind, and STILL DOES NOT VOTE PANDAIN. Except he DID read that stuff earlier, and he's been on pandain mainly because of the log stuff, and is still talking about Pandain, and risen of EITHER alignment doesn't do this nonsense afaik. Says he wants to flip ss/pandain/oats, votes OATS. Not PANDAIN. Pandain is lynchable with 30 minutes to lynch, oats is friggin' not. Again, scum can lynch pandain's face off is Risen is scum but they just don't? If Risen is scum with BC but not pandain, BC doesn't need to last minute vote swap, risen just has to move a vote from rayn onto pandain, or put his oats vote on pandain before 3 minutes to lynch, or ANYTHING. Scum probably more than happy to get rayn out of the game, but if pandain is town he's a vet and scum is running lowish on KP and they NEED to get rid of vets. So why don't they lynch him (if risen scum and pandain town. Risen and pandain BOTH unlikely to be scum, right? That's too many almost-scum-lynches for a day that had such a slow start and middle). Risen's play, at times this game, makes no sense at all to me. As either alignment his votes aren't where they shouldn't be, his reads are lost and found and he doesn't appear to know WHY he has some reads at all? Which would normally be uber-scummy, except that one of the BIGGEST examples of this, Pandain, is a lynch that scum REALLY WANT if pandain is town. Risen loses his pandain read, doesn't vote, doesn't lynch Pandain. So while that would be scummy, it's the worst possible choice for Risen to pretend-derp or real-derp on, there's NO RAISIN for him to do that as scum except to maybe WIFOM a lynch tomorrow EXCEPT HE'S PRETTY CLEARLY NOT DOING THAT AT ALL. I do not understand Risen's last 80-90 hours of play, as either alignment. He's just bouncing around and not in any kind of sensible way, he's trying to get killed to get himself out of the way when we NEED a scum kill to drop KP, and he's overall just making himself a bigger and bigger distraction and harming the thread. But I don't think he's today's lynch, because his conduct concerning pandain read/vote doesn't make sense to me as scum. He interacts early with hiro/thrawn, in a negative way, and he comes around to what I think is a very townie view on BC's alignment D1 (his grack/storrzerg post looked nice, but his followup was crap, therefore he's not very townie). That was with prodding, fine, but I think that's the right mindset for a townie looking at BC's D1 to have. | ||
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Thrawn replaces Hiro. I found Hiro super townie because he wanted to select a mayor, then vote the mayor's lynch choice into pardoner slot, so that there would be ZERO risk of pardoner in this game. I was not thinking through things at the time. Pardoner gets a vest this game. Hiro's plan was to lynch the pardoner, eliminating 1 of 2 vests that town could potentially have access to. Town GENERALLY kills mafia via lynch. Mafia KILL LOTS OF TOWNIES WITH SHOTS. Having a vest out of the game, even if you don't know pardoner's alignment, is more mafia-favored than town-favored. On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote: My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™: step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^ step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler + Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1. + Show Spoiler + *I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper *I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan. ##Vote: hiro protagonist On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote: Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch: *We kill off a pro scum role. *It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging. On November 15 2013 10:20 hiro protagonist wrote: Im out till tomorrow afternoon. Feel free to talk about how awesome a Day 1 scum pardner lynch would be. Feel free to try and say otherwise, so I know I can put you in the Red column. | ||
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Enters the game as a replacement, but DOES NOT WANT A SUMMARY OF WHAT HE MISSED D1. He goes after my nuts, while not having read, and while saying he doesn't want the play by play of D1 that he asked for. He is "scumhunting," without reading the thread, and without doing other townie stuff, like reading a summary. He is "scumhunting" for cosmetic effect only THRAWN WAS MASONED WITH BH AND BH CLAIMED ASSASSIN AND CLAIMED NOT TRACKER AND THRAWN DID NOT FEEL IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO REVEAL THIS STUFF TO THE THREAD WHEN BH'S ALIGNMENT WAS A RELEVANT ISSUE. WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT THIS, HE RESPONDS WITH STUFF LIKE - + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 14:15 thrawn2112 wrote: LOOK AT THAT.lol u mad? or you mad? lol ok holy shit. bh told me he fake claimed because he knew he'd be busy soon and didn't want to be lynched. now personally I believe that, and I don't think a scum BH would actually say that to me. objectively it looks super scummy so that's why I didn't want to use that as reasoning for my BH town read, because i fear people here are dumb enough to lynch him for that. so don't. HOLY SHIT, WHY ARE YOU ON MY NUTS OATS AND ASKING WHY I DON'T WANT TO PREVENT A MISLYNCH? CUZ ALL TOWNIES WANT TO SIT BACK AND HIDE INFORMATION WHEN THEY THINK PEOPLE ARE GETTING MISLYNCHED, RIGHT? BH TOLD ME HE FAKECLAIMED TO AVOID A LYNCH (PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS IN THREAD A BUNCH AND THRAWN HAS SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT), BUT I DON'T THINK SCUM BH WOULD SAY THAT. EXCEPT OBJECTIVELY, IT TOTALLY LOOKS SCUMMY SO I DIDN'T WANT OT TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT. Thrawn throws little softball questions to BC, prodding BC for more mocsta analysis and supporting what BC provides - + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2013 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote: BC you spent a lot of time digging into moc's filter and came away with basically only town reads. Is your conclusion that scum are probably people he didn't talk about? And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish Thrawn is sniping at hopeless a bunch, about hopeless's alignment, his play in past games, etc. This is D2. The main issue is not HOPELESS. The main issue is BLAZINGHAND. Thrawn is sitting on relevant information to the LYNCH, and instead he's sniping at hopeless about hopeless's activity. Pandain, who he's spent a bunch of D2 poking at and ends up his tippy top scumread, gets a "lol at least you're honest about it" for not having opinions on more than 2 players. Thrawn finds me scummy for this. Again, same thing happened, thrawn reacted to it differently when different players did it. Why the difference? (Cuz it's all made up!) Thrawn is INCREDIBLY sure that BH isn't scum. He's just arguing all D2 that BH is not scum. He KNOWS BH fakeclaimed. He KNOWS BH has been doing jack all. He refuses to share his QT at this point. Why is BH so clearly cleary town, and why isn't thrawn posting logs to stop BH's lynch? Because thrawn doesn't care! Thrawn knows BH isn't scum because...thrawn is scum! And when thrawn ultimately reveals BH's comment, it's just BH saying he's not really a tracker but doesn't want to be lynched. Thrawn accepts this completely, despite not being around D1, never seems to question it, just decides scum BH wouldn't say that, no way no how. On November 20 2013 06:43 thrawn2112 wrote: What is this what is this? I might be willing to consolidate on BC, but not unless he's the only alternative to BH. I really liked his posts and his thought processes lined up with mine. NOPE, not lynching BC, he's the towniest of the vets. THRAWN TYPES THAT HE WILL LYNCH HIS TOWNIEST READ OUT OF THE VET GROUP AND A GUY WITH GOOD ANALYSIS AND THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS AS THRAWN. WHAT IS THIS COMMENT? Even when he says "actually no, I'm not lynching BC," WHY WOULD IT EVER CROSS HIS MIND TO LYNCH BC WHEN BC IS HIS TOWNIEST READ IN THE VET GROUP AND HE SEEMS TO BE SUPER IN-LINE WITH BC?!?!!?!?!?supersoft! ignore everyone else. if you really think that rayn is cluttering up the thread then stop talking about him You thought BH was assassin before I posted his claim right? Do you still think this? Why aren't you trying to save him? Oats is probably not getting lynched at this point. The only other two viable lynches seem to be pandain and bc. A pandain lynch would make me a happy thrawn. I might be willing to consolidate on BC but it's not likely unless he's the only alternative to the BH lynch. I really liked his analysis of the mocsta/grack situation and there's been a few other times where his thought process has lined up with mine. lol actually no i'm not lynching BC. imo he's the towniest out the vet group and I distinctly remember marv participating in a heated discussion about balancing teams can everyone on BH look and panda and grack one more time? Thrawn is super-hammering how "not-red" BH is. Asking people do they think he's x or assassin. Saying pandain weird for calling BH "deserving" of a lynch, saying Pandain knows BH will flip "not-red." I push him for his read on BC, and he puts it off, but NEVER gets to it - + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote: ask me every question you can think of regarding all things BC and i will promise that I will give you my exhaustive analysis tomorrow i got stuff to do + this game is annoying me so much i don't want to put any more thought into it atm On D3, when thrawn reappears, he now "doesn't know" about BC. He continues to say BC was convincing and on the same page as thrawn was. But he NEVER EVER PROVIDES SPECIFICS. And now, his towniest towniest vet, is completely different in tone and questionable solely because of a conversation with mig. Queue thrawn pestering BC, and then being unsure of BC's answer, kinda not liking it. thrawn ATTACKS ONEGU for NOT EXPLAINING HIS BC READ. When thrawn has been doing the same. When thrawn's read 180s on D3, just because of ONE of BC's conversations. LOOK AT THE TIMING OF HIS BC STUFF AND HIS VOTE:
to anyone who is not convinced. How does townThrawn hide stuff from town about BH that way, not find it relevant? Why does townThrawn refuse to explain in detail his towniest vet read on BC? Why does townThrawn vote BC D3? Seriously. That last question is the only one you need. Why does townThrawn vote BC D3? Cuz if you can find or come up with ANY explanation for it, I'm all ears. | ||
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But please, explain to me his BC vote. BC was super townie. But he has to wait to provide strong reasoning, can't just put it in thread. On D3, BC now looks questionable because of attacking Mig, he wants to know BC's thoughts there. Instead of waiting on a response, he VOTES BC. Then later, he gets thoughts, and says pretty much jack about BC. Then he attacks Onegu for not saying enough about his BC read. Please to 'splain. | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote: Entirely possible. Heck, I didn't realize it at the time.well mig is obviously tunneled into oblivion. austin what do you think are the chances that hiro didnt realize both mayor and pardoner get vests? I seem to remember someone else having the same issue but I cba to find it right now. It's not why hiro/thrawn is scum. But I hate that I missed this at the time, that I was townie on hiro for that set of posts, and only later remembered them and realized his plan is ... pretty bad. | ||
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Thrawn says he couldn't catch up and the thread was impossible to read/follow, but man, he sure completely changed his mind about BC with very very very little to no explanation. He was "disgusted" that we would lynch BH, but he had NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER with a bunch of people voting BC, his towniest vet, on D3. Read his D2. STOP LYNCHING BH HE IS NOT SCUM STOP LYNCHING BH HE IS NOT SCUM. Read his D3. BC MIGHT BE SCUM I WANT TO SEE HIS ANSWERS. Never tries to get people off. Never tries to give reasons why people shouldn't vote BC. Says he's waiting for BC's answer, but goes ahead and votes BC anyway, and barely comments on BC's actual answer. Thrawn attacks grack today for calling him scum and pushing his lynch, despite never making a case. Grack is voting risen, and does not appear to be pushing the thrawn lynch at all (but he should!). | ||
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You've...never really said anything about him, actually. Except that he shouldn't play 2 games if he can't keep up, and that he should sheep your rayn vote. | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:58 Mig wrote: I'm not a mason.Did thrawn mason pandain? He didn't mason me (not really surprised). If so I wouldn't mind looking at their chat logs. I still think there is likely to be another mafia mason for balance reasons. We have pandain/hf/lm/thrawn/austin left. Thrawn/LM seem the most likely candidates. I was masoned by HF D1. I was masoned by LM D3. #notamason | ||
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On November 26 2013 04:59 Koshi wrote: Okay. Would you care to comment on thrawn and why?Pretty sure I was telling rayn that thrawn was playing pretty bad. But rayn defended him because he looked townie in the Mason. Then I told him that thrawn looked shitty in the thread though. Apart from that. I am not really feeling a thrawn lynch over a Risen lynch. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:03 Grackaroni wrote: BH in cycle 1. I think BH/Pandain/rayn? If not BH/rayn/pandain. It was one of those.Who did Thrawn mason before Pandain? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:07 Koshi wrote: Could you expound upon this?thrawn in Witchraft II was a total boss. This game, not so much. But he doesn't say that he isn't following the game, even though he clearly isn't committed. Don't know why trawn would play like this when he can play like a total boss. That's kinda it. But I am feeling a Risen lynch because they killed supersoft and supersoft was becoming town leader that would push this lynch through. If scum wanted to be certain fo a Risen lynch they would have just left supersoft alive and killed 2 people that might be opposed to a Risen lynch. It's not that supersoft was confirmed town, but he was a big influence. Also, the people that are opposing the Risen lynch are the people on the Kush list and VA. I am not a big fan of VA tbh. As well as state clearly, "My name is koshi and if I was forced to say townthrawn or scumthrawn, I would say _______" | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:11 Koshi wrote: So thrawn is scum because...he can be a boss but he is not? There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING specific in his filter that makes you scummy on him? There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that says "wow, thrawn is anti-town or pushing anti-town lynches/objectives this game"? It is purely that he has played better than he is this game?scum thrawn. BUT always lynch Risen over Kush today. Or is there more than bossness? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:15 Koshi wrote: thrawn has been playing this game. he has a filter. he's made posts. Heck, you TALKED about the guy earlier, on D2. You had him town for instantly playing, then didn't know why people were townie on him, then had him slightly scummy because of his effort in thread vs effort in QT.Well you people said some things but I was in mafia depression. @Hopeless. I meant thrawn obviously. It's not just "you people said some things," YOU have said some things. But they've been very bland. He has a filter. I just pulled a bunch of stuff out. If you are town and want to be un-depressed, make posts, find scum, read their filters, go "OH CRAP THIS AND THAT AND THIS OTHER THING ARE REALLY FRIGGIN' SCUMMY." If you won't do that, how about you look at thrawn's filter during the D2 lynch, all his stuff on BH (which you halfway commented on D2, bee tee dubs). Then you look at thrawn's filter for his mentions of BC, and follow his BC read. Then, you post in the thread how you feel about thrawn, specifically, in reference to posts he's made and discrete things that he has done this game. Then we can high five. Seriously though, thrawn on BC, throughout the game, read it. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote: I know this is not a serious question.But today I want to be lazy D:, can't I do it tomorrow? His filter is small. I'm picking out a very particular thing for you to look at, just look at his Bloodycobbler and BC posts. You can search his whole filter for those terms and you won't have much reading material. Plus. You want to be a boss. If he was a boss last game and isn't this game because he's just not playing, then don't be a non-boss and not play. ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU THINK HE MIGHT BE SCUM AND YOU HAD HIM AS ONE OF TWO LYNCH OPTIONS AND KOSHI GO READ AND POST THINGS | ||
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The cake was not a lie. It's a real cake. But it's also booby-trapped, and instead of a stripped bursting out of it, there's a cartoon-y boxing gloves that springs out and punches you in the face. Sorry, you just got cake-punched. Now please please please actually read thrawn's filter because it isn't large and he's relevant to today and nobody cares if you're sad about lynching rayn because you need to play. Also, after reading it, comment on it substantively. Because again, it's very relevant to today. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Thank you but you should also play this game and comment substantively on thrawn.Austin you're so cool. Scumbros for lyfe. | ||
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But you look at him, call out a couple reads, and ask why he's not trying to stop the lynch. MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE HE IS MAFIA. DO YOU THINK THAT IS THE CASE? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT HIS INTERACTIONS WITH, READ ON, AND VOTE ON, BC? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:39 Koshi wrote: Why does thrawn vote BC yesterday? Where is thrawn scummy on BC? I am not too sad anymore. But really it comes down on thrawn not being a boss. I see him defending BC a couple times when it is totally not needed (D2 lynch) which is not scummy I guess. But then things like saying Onegu is scum for a meh reason and then the total apathetic follow up on that is scummy. But I have really no interest in lynching thrawn over Risen. Why is Risen super-duper-mega-guaranteed scum? If Risen is super duper mega guaranteed scum, why does he not keep a vote on pandain yesterday? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The BC stuff seems like nothing substantial. Okeedoke.I thought his post entering into today was terrible. The BC stuff in his filter, I looked at it briefly but not intently, didn't seem like anything substantial that isn't out of the realm of normal scum interaction / bussing. I'm actually more curious what Mocsta said about thrawn, if anything. Brb filter Same question to you then. When does BC become mafia for thrawn? Why does thrawn vote BC yesterday? Reading assignment, GO! | ||
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VA, On November 26 2013 04:33 austinmcc wrote: VA, I know you liked thrawn's early play. But please, explain to me his BC vote. BC was super townie. But he has to wait to provide strong reasoning, can't just put it in thread. On D3, BC now looks questionable because of attacking Mig, he wants to know BC's thoughts there. Instead of waiting on a response, he VOTES BC. Then later, he gets thoughts, and says pretty much jack about BC. Then he attacks Onegu for not saying enough about his BC read. Please to 'splain. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote: Regardless of thrawn's flip, I'm pretty certain you won't be able to explain his vote on BC.austin im not going to explain anything to some one I think is scum. If thrawn actually flips red then we can talk. | ||
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The guy getting lynched is voting for himself, despite maintaining he is town. Also, lynching scum today would cut their KP in half. #headscratch | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:02 LoneMeow wrote: What part of my posts MOST convince you he's mafia?Honestly not very sure about this, but austinmcc's case is pretty convincing. ##Vote: thrawn2112 Are there parts that you disagree with? Think i've got blinders on and am painting something townie/null as uber-scummy? | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote: Please to answer before sleep.Well. The kush list is currently on thrawn and Alakaslam is on VA. Pretty meh about this. I stay on Risen. I am in bed when deadline is anyway. Also imo Risen > thrawn. On November 26 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote: I made you a cake. You looked at some of this stuff just a moment ago, so it takes even less effort now to explain things, you're already caught up!Why does thrawn vote BC yesterday? Where is thrawn scummy on BC? Why is Risen super-duper-mega-guaranteed scum? If Risen is super duper mega guaranteed scum, why does he not keep a vote on pandain yesterday? YAYAYA ANSWER YESSSSSSSSS GOOD | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:06 Alakaslam wrote: 'Fraid you should choose for yourself.Hey. I can choose this lynch. Tell me who. I will be useful. I would recommend thrawn. However, there are cases on both peeps in the thread, and both have filters that smell like strawberries if you open them up and read through them. Promise, read through each filter and by the end of it you will almost certainly smell strawberries. But you have to read all the way through. Either way, I would suggest giving some thoughts on each. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:10 LoneMeow wrote: I still think it pretty unlikely that oats is scum.austinmcc, in the meanwhile: how possible would you say that both thrawn2112 and Oatsmaster are scum? Oats had a lot of interactions on D1 that I found to be scummy. Asking specific questions to people that sought information that Townie Tom would want. Some useless stuff, but generally he was getting after things that I think town should have wanted to get at. Thrawn interacts a decent amount with oats on D2, that's very relevant to this question. Oats is asking about BH/thrawn mason chat heavily, trying to get the information town should want to know. Thrawn is ... talking a LOT with oats if they're mafia buddies. He finds oats mafia because "town oats wouldn't think I'm scum." I don't think that's the sort of thing you say about your scumbuddy. Even their little banter today, "mind explaining what you're going to contribute" --> oats being oats = probably not buddies. Their dialogue on D2 reads legit. Not scum on scum action. Oats is poking at the RIGHT things, he's asking the RIGHT questions, and that's not a scum/scum dialogue. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:13 Koshi wrote: BC was his TOWNIEST VET the day before. Now thrawn is voting BC.His vote on a dead BC doesn't matter because there were 3 other wagons. Which were Risen, Pandain and rayn. So unless he had scum reads on 2 of those people his vote on BC is not indicative off anything, tbh it is even more towny because he is just sheeping town sentiment which is not a bad thing if you are town and don't give a fuck. As scum you might at least park your vote on some guy you said was scummy. Why? You say he's sheeping town sentiment, he's town and DGAF. But that is NOT what thrawn's posts read. He is asking BC to explain something, pestering for follow up, he's not sheeping a town read here - + Show Spoiler + On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote: BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. On November 23 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote: I completely disagree with what koshi is saying about rayn. BC.... I just don't fucking know, I was really convinced by his D2 angry posts and I've liked him for being on this same page as me during that time.. but after I came back from afk he was the first person I read and his latest posts (conversations with Mig) are completely different in tone to the posts that I liked him so much for earlier. I want him to answer this before I decide: I haven't looked at oats/ss yet so I'll do that in the meantime On November 23 2013 09:14 thrawn2112 wrote: BC please get in here and answer me On November 23 2013 09:27 thrawn2112 wrote: BC respond to my questions! Please! On November 23 2013 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote: you do sorta the same thing to mig in your read list On November 23 2013 09:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ..... but what's your read on him? "My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play." Idk what alignment that is The question is, is that townThrawn pestering BC or scumThrawn pestering BC. Cuz if you think he's just sheeping town sentiment, ... we need to talk. I maintain that thrawn voted BC before he had any reason to do so, never actually comes out and says BC is scummy to him, and entirely fails to put up any defense of his TOWNIEST VET from D2, the guy whose mind was in the same spot as thrawn's so often. That means it's scumThrawn. That means thrawn REALIZES that BC is lynched yesterday, and that he looks bad for his BC stuff, and he's trying to get around and vote BC to look a little better. But instead of giving clear/good/decent reasons for why he's not scummy on BC and willing to vote him, he just punts that away and votes BC before having any answer, any reason to change his read. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:25 Koshi wrote: Because mafia shot him!austin why was Kush killed? I presume that you want more than that, though. You want speculation as to WHY mafia did what they did? Because he looked pretty townie to MOST people that commented on him. imo, that's the reason. Perhaps he looks very townie and is on the wrong track. Perhaps he looks townie but has not yet commented on a bunch of their teammates. Perhaps, at the end of the day, he was critical of grack and grack's lying about being a mason, and scum were looking to push a grack mislynch. It could be because of who is NOT on his list, he was townie on supersoft, when supersoft was looking a bit wonky because he was so sure oats was scum. There are a bunch of reasons or possible reasons. What I would say is that, if you are trying to use this as some counterpoint to my questions about thrawn, I am asking you to explain one person's behavior based on his posts. I don't think it makes any sense as town behavior. You are asking me to explain why a whole mafia team shot someone, based on whatever a whole mafia team thinks and doesn't write in the thread. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:33 VayneAuthority wrote: I make no statements about relevancy. Whether it's relevant or not, it's still inexplicable from a town POV, imo.If he flips town then it's irrelevant because it clearly wasn't scum motivated. logic 101 | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:26 LoneMeow wrote: Off the top of my head, his flip doesn't super make anyone scummy.austinmcc, so who would be likely scum if thrawn2112 flips red? It makes Koshi today look a little weird, and I would look into Koshi quite hard. He never mentions slam in his filter. I would look at slam a little harder. He never mentions CC in his filter, except to say that he was displeased with my reasoning on a CC read N1. I would look at CC a little harder. I think it mainly makes a few people look TOWNIE. I don't...I want to save a further explanation of that for now. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:38 Koshi wrote: I want critical thought about thrawn's filter slightly more than I want sheep.Yeah, but that post from Kush really jumps at me, knowing that VA is on the exact same people. I am going to stick on Risen. I should maybe sheep you cuz you sheeped me yesterday but I hope we can still be friends after this. Because your explanation for his BC vote is, imo, a misreading of yesterday. Intentionally or not, I find it hard to believe that if you really look at thrawn's posts, you see him sheeping town and just voting BC. | ||
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Please post your artanis mason logs. Or at the very least, post relevant portions of the logs where you discuss his shot targeting on N2. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:55 Holyflare wrote: I agree that a lot of people defended/somewhat defended him. he's my biggest scum read, my vote was on him first till people told me "oh hes so town dont vote him" " we need a risen kill", they are suspicious as hell because now they've 180'd on their reasoning even though I told them about him. I think that a chunk of those people are still outside of his voters, but if you've got a couple changes that worry you, by all means, post em up. Also, please please artanis log at some point. Also also, we're super duper even right now. If he's your biggest scum read, you willing to swap back? Or the votes have you so worried that you don't want to, period? | ||
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On November 26 2013 07:07 Holyflare wrote: Can you just post messy log for now? I really just want to check for one thing.##Vote: Thrawn will post logs in bit, anyway thrawn is biggest read, risen has completely fallen off too, your case on him wasn't that great IMO in favor of his townieness, he wants to martyr and get 3 town killed over potentially 1, scummy but either way thrawn for now, for me at least! | ||
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On November 26 2013 07:12 Mig wrote: I think if you look at thrawn's vote on BC yesterday, it looks scummy and not good. Yes, he voted BC. But I cannot find a single reason why he would have done so. He was townie, townie, townie, and then asks BC to explain his argument with Mig. Before BC explains, thrawn votes BC, without saying anything, and never actually calls BC scummy. When BC answers thrawn's question, thrawn does not say whether BC's answer is scummy or not. Thrawn has done almost nothing to make me think he is town (I only wonder if he would buddy BC so obviously day 2 when BC was making his idiot case against grack as mafia). There are just more things that Risen has done that makes me think he is mafia. At the very least thrawn voted BC while Risen tried to get people to move to Oats last second. You are completely cool with Risen trying to last second save BC? You really buy him yelling DOUBLE TOWN LYNCH DOUBLE TOWN LYNCH right before last cycles lynch when they were trying to save BC? He was pretending to be a bitter upset townie but then almost immediately asks vigs to shoot after the lynch lol. It is such a joke. He was acting and his story makes absolutely no sense. You are not a bitter townie upset that you are going to be lynched and then immediately you do a 180 and martyr yourself. The not voting pandain stuff is literally the only evidence I see at all that you have that Risen can be town and that can be explained by a ton of different things (as I talked about earlier). Anyway in the end like I said I think they are both mafia. A vote on a CLEAR lynch leader who flips mafia from a guy who had him town, without any reasoning for a change in read, comes off looking, at least to me, like thrawn wanting to be on the lynch for a sliver of cred. If you look at his comments about BC before, right at, and after the vote...do you actually read it as a townie action? When did risen try to last second save BC? BC tried to last-second save Risen, but I don't read Risen's stupid posts as trying to save BC. I think that Risen's conduct after the lynch makes no sense as town Risen. I think that Risen's conduct today makes no sense as town Risen. I think that he is forgetting or "forgetting" things like "if we lynch scum today they are down 1 KP," and neither of those makes him look town. I can't make the dude look like a saint or a giant townie force. But I think the Pandain stuff yesterday is ODD for scumRisen. I think that he had one townie-looking answer to my question about BC on D1, saying that BC's grack/storrzerg post looked good and his followup looked scummy. That's....pretty much it. As of right now I don't super want to stand in the way of a risen lynch if scum is already down to 1 KP. But I'm much more certain of thrawn's scumminess than Risen, and I really want to make sure we hit a scum before we go after Risen. | ||
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I wanted to see if you and Artanis discussed the plan to say he was shooting BC and then shoot me. If you DID, you'd be 99.9999999% town, because Artanis got roleblocked when, if you were mafia, they could have NOT roleblocked, blocked some other random person, and let me get shot. That was the very specific bit I was looking for, but I didn't see him discuss that witchoo. | ||
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On November 26 2013 07:25 Holyflare wrote: ± if I was scum i would have totally added it in there because that would be obvious free town points Which is why I wanted you to post it quick and not say you were going to do it later. I apparently missed Artanis saying that he had not discussed things witchoo. | ||
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On November 26 2013 08:41 Mig wrote: Just wondering about the thrawn vote on BC yesterday. If you look for justification, do you find some? Do you agree with Koshi that it's him sheeping thread sentiment?I am around but only for 5 min then I will gone till after the deadline. Whats up. We're on opposite sides of who looks worse, and I'm not sure why thrawn's vote on BC looks good to you. | ||
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On November 26 2013 08:45 Mig wrote: Okay. As long as I'm not missing something there. I don't think it looks good, I agree it actually makes him look worse with the useless timing and his earlier opinions of BC. I was just making the point that he actually voted for a scum where as Risen tried to last second save a scum. Anyway I will repeat that I think both are mafia and if I could murder them both I would but I can only murder one so gotta murder Risen who has still not shown up with any cases whatsoever. When you say Risen tried to save BC, you're talking about his townie-lynching caps posts? | ||
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Whether he's giving up or whatever, he can do it on a day when we're at less than or equal to 3 remaining mafia. | ||
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Thrawn probably votes Risen, if anything. Risen can still switch to Thrawn or someone else. If thrawn votes risen and slam votes risen, it's still just 7-7 with thrawn hitting 7 first. So thrawn has to vote risen, slam on risen, AND oats on risen, without risen unvoting himself like a non-noob, for there to be a change based on unplaced votes. I did not see anyone else super contemplating swapping. | ||
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On November 26 2013 09:22 Alakaslam wrote: Whatchoo mean by wanting things more sure?I will stick with a Thrawn vote. I want things more sure. Also, though I am uncooperative lazy child, you have been the uncle. | ||
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Why you want thrawn to get lynched? Something against 2s and 1s? | ||
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I think this also makes onegu look a little better, as I don't THINK that scumthrawn goes "K GAIZ I'MA PLAY SUPER SRS NOW" and then goes after onegu, except only for his votes yesterday and the rest of onegu's filter looks townie. That seems like.....an odd choice for thrawn's target, he either DESTROYS a scumbuddy or he finds a scummy looking townie, imo. | ||
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On November 26 2013 10:17 Grackaroni wrote: We probably lynch risen, imo, unless something neat turns up. But may as well still be trying to solve the game.Shouldn't we just lynch Risen? On November 26 2013 10:18 VayneAuthority wrote: VA, you had me as scum earlier, before I pushed you, for no reason as of yet. And you liked an austinmcc/pandain lynch (which now appears to be TWO VETS). Don't act like you didn't have me scum, and didn't slightly push me previously. But you're still not a lynch right now.what are you talkin' about rtard? Austin has been the one pushing me, only reason I started pushing him. Anyone that thinks I am scum can rot. | ||
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Setting up what to do if he's town and what to do if he's mafia and who looks good in a bunch of hypothetical worlds is sexy, but also great territory for mafia to post and chime in and whatever, because they can post like crazy about what happens if flips are this way or that way or whatever. I know I defended Risen N3, and then on D4, but given thrawn's never pushing risen (the only other real lynch) and risen's never pushing thrawn/never returning/continuing to vote himself despite knowing we needed to lynch scum and not a martyr, things ain't look good for him. | ||
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Haven't been looking at much or typing much this cycle because i SHOULDN'T die. Realized there COULD be a suicide bomber or another vigi, although I dunno if they'd use em. Anywho, lynch risen. Read HF's stuff on coag. Then proceed to not lynch him tomorrow and lynch risen instead. Then proceed to discuss coag, while performing the aforementioned lynching of risen. Other things to discuss: (1) Why VA worried about a mafia medic N2 and then forgets a mafia medic D3, so that he can unvote BC. As a tangent to this discussion, discuss the fact that BC was mafia. (2) Grack. A couple mafia going after grack, grack looks good. Every last mafia ever going after grack, it looks a little odd. Granted, he doesn't ever seem to get VOTES, just people calling him scummy, and that's good, but please read and watch his filter, make sure this is mafia on town violence, not mafia on mafia violence. Things that I think: (1) Given pandain's voters, he's likely town (2) Mig is town (3) Hopeless1der was super afk, but has been on a similar page to myself the last couple days, and he's one of my stronger townreads. Please don't lynch him for a bit. (4) Cheesecake is suddenly playing after a bunch of scum are dead. For all the work he put in today, I think making giant posts about what might happen if risen flips town is...maybe not so much helpful. Especially with a lot of his other new activity being somewhat trolly. (5) That the votes on people OTHER THAN BC/RISEN D3 should be crosschecked with votes on BC D1. People who fall into both those categories are smelly. (6) People who jump on BC out of nowhere D3, with little reasoning to explain the change, are likely mafia (see: thrawn. see further: my post saying to watch for that. see further further: a couple stupid posts like this with some things to look out for, because I swear those are things that mafia is likely doing, probably nobody doing ALL, but most/all mafia doing some). (7) LM is...unknown. I liked his early mason chat with me. His play continues to be super lurky. Please check his votes, his reasoning, and...whatever. (8) In relation to (6), someone needs to go back and check for people who were scummy on mattchew. Mattchew was likely to be a mislynch target. Not all mentions of him being scummy are from scum. Some likely are. Maybe same thing with pandain and oats, who are likely town but have gotten called out as mafia by a bunch of folks except I haven't put together lists of who dem folkses is. (9) VA is pooping on people from space. | ||
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On November 27 2013 09:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You put a lot of work into risen being town. Like...more work than you have put into the rest of the game (Said in a smiley way).I gave two scenarios austin, nothing else to do during the night. Have to take all the stuff into consideration. It looked odd. Especially since the last time we played together, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum died, then you bussed a scumbuddy, then were really lurky, and that game didn't go so well. This game, you were really lurky, a bunch of scum are dying, and all of a sudden you are not really lurky. So maybe you're town, or maybe you decided you had to get active as mafia because you had no control in Sexy Sandwich Mafia. I dunno. Or compare with HF's activity. HF got active, made a case on a questionable dude based on some flips and some posts and stuff. Then keeps reminding people he did that. His activity looks targeted at a filter, at a person, at a scumread, and at making people discuss possible scum. Yours looks more targeted at speculation, what might be the case if x happens, or y happens. It feels...not super duper townie. But non-sarcastic props for getting involved and posting. | ||
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Yes Cheese, I know you were active early in Aperture. I was on your team, being really inactive. | ||
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On November 28 2013 04:30 Risen wrote: Color the flips in, red/green.You mean color votes I think are scummy red and town green? Or color people I think are scum red and town green? Then you can add your own thoughts in another set. Who you think is scum/town. | ||
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You kept your vote on yourself, despite the "town needs to lynch scum in order to drop KP" argument being made multiple times. For all your posting, you seem to have no actual desire to do pro-town stuff, just post things to go through. Why do LM's logs look bad? | ||
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On November 28 2013 09:18 Holyflare wrote: I worded the second post, the clarification, slightly poorly I think. Well hold up there, you told him to do something and at least he did it. I wanted him to color in the flips for the VOTES. Like pull up D1 and D3 voting, color in our flips, see where mafia/town were voting, what's leftover. It's coo, it was mainly to see if he would actually do it and to save myself like 5 minutes. But yeah, he made some colors and posted the kills, and he DID post a list o' stuff. I shall send him tuppence to compensate him for his list. | ||
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On November 28 2013 09:42 Risen wrote: The most important thing that changed is that we lynched mafia and they only have 1 KP. Your filter, specifically because of the D3 no-vote on pandain, looked less likely to be mafia than thrawn. It was an odd angle, you didn't place what could have been a very mafia-favored vote if Pandain is town (and based on the votes, he most likely is).Here's my problem, my vote was on myself during those arguments as well and at the time those arguments were made you still had me as town. So again, nothing really changed except me being afk during the time when Thrawn got lynched. But the KP difference is the biggest thing that changed. I don't care so much today if people want to lynch or mislynch you, because on the off chance you're a mislynch, we stopped the bonus KP. But the way you conducted your posts and your votes over the last little bit isn't townie. It's not an afk issue, because you responded to having to be informed as to why lynching mafia and not martyrs was important yesterday. Despite responding to post(s) about dropping KP, you didn't move your vote. That's not afk, it's just purely not caring about town if, as you say, you're town. | ||
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#1 - people make weird votes all the time. Game after game. You can never actually be sure who will be the next lynch. See: people getting convinced by BH this game. #2 - if you're town, it 100000% matters who was lynched when, again, because of the KP. Whether or not thrawn would have been lynched D5 if not D4, it matters, because you are attempting to present yourself as thinking from a world where Risen is town. In that world, lynching thrawn yesterday (hi, that's what we did and I pushed for), lowers mafia KP by 1 on N4. Entirely impactful on the game. You continue to know this. Yet you still make little arguments like it not mattering what order people were lynched in. You silly. In this case, silliness = mafia just dicking around. Town doesn't go, "Well, it doesn't matter that mafia could only take one shot last night instead of two." | ||
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On November 28 2013 10:23 Risen wrote: Cuz it did. Unfortunately, you were throwing around statements earlier today about how it didn't matter that I wanted to lynch thrawn, as he was going to be lynched anyway in a day or two. See posts like this:I agreed that the amount of KP mattered. I was just afk when the thrawn thing went down or I would have moved my vote to him. What can ya do, though. vOv On November 27 2013 15:22 Risen wrote: Ninja. Thrawn was going down anyways, austin wasn't instrumental in shit. You can't afk in a thread and be active in another one then expect to live more than a day or two. The fact that rayn got lynched over pandain or thrawn is pants on head stupid. I don't care what VA claimed, his bombs never blew up. How do we know there isn't an unclaimed hatter left? ((That feels stupid after I've typed it out)) Seems like a solid fake claim to me with so much blue running around. Why does there need to be every role in the game? Seems to me VA is harping on this over and over to confirm himself town instead of actually doing anything, which is annoying. I've had similar feelings about mig, but mig stroked my ego and said he enjoyed playing with me so I like him now. On November 28 2013 02:50 Risen wrote: Thrawn was getting lynched yesterday or today no matter what. Thrawn was getting lynched no matter what. Why do you people keep giving town points for a forced vote? Oh he totally could have helped thrawn live another day! Yeah, and then everyone on me instead of thrawn gets lynched and scum loses. It isn't scummy to have voted for thrawn, but it certainly isn't townie either. I know I'm just pointlessly arguing with scumRisen at this point, but at least have some dignity . You cannot argue all of these three things:
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On November 28 2013 10:59 Pandain wrote: 1. Mig.Austin lets say you were in a zoo called TL Mafia: Time to die and then suddenly Parting comes in with a Soul Train. 1. What animal would you trust the most and then turn to 2. Who do you think is an especially loud animal that seems to have influence enough to stop any amount of immortals 3. Who do you think the zoo should sacrifice first that's not risen 4.what animals are you unsure about 2. I think I qualify, to some degree. If not myself, it's...a combination animal of mig and holyflare? Holyflare is louder, or tries to be, but doesn't appear to have the influence. Mig appears to have the influence but be less loud. 3. That ISN'T risen? Not focused on that yet, see all the tasks I keep saying I'll do but then never actually do. I look at VA, cheese, slam. I THINK the sacrifice is within that group, although I need to see who lines up with what qualities I want in a sacrifice. 4. Bunches of em. LM, onegu, slam, slightly hopeless, coag, etc. Most of the animals are questionable for me. Also, I've been a bad SC2 viewer recently. Is the Soul Train still viable? | ||
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You need...SLIGHTLY more ridiculous questions, you're telegraphing too hard what each question lines up with. My salsa question was bad, but I wanted to get OOHCHILD involved more so I made them less ridiculous when asking him. | ||
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Comparing activity in A vs B seemed more or less okay, but hunting scum via quality/quantity of notes in two ongoing games of unknown alignments feels like it crosses a line into discussing/messing with ongoing games. | ||
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If that's not the case, you have curious scumreads. | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:42 Risen wrote: I would agree with this statement.To expand upon what I'm saying, since this seems to be a difficult concept, I'm saying 1 more KP was not worth the town cred scum players stood to gain by lynching Thrawn, especially when I was still available to be lynched. However, I'm not sure how you say both this AND that I'm mafia. "Mafia don't want to lynch thrawn if risen is town" is ezpz statement to make. "Mafia don't want to lynch thrawn if risen is town, and austin is mafia" is a ... questionable statement. | ||
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Thrawn took the very last bit of stuff onegu had done, called him mafia for it. Didn't appear to have looked at Onegu's filter as a whole, just grabbed onto one thing and called him scum. I thought at the time it fit as a mafia scumread, because it was so opportunistic in calling someone scum without ever looking at their full play. That's why I asked about play as a whole. Did not actually look to see that he'd jumped around so much. | ||
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On November 28 2013 12:50 VayneAuthority wrote: Yup. That's me. Just mislynching you all day every day. sparked his interest aka he saw a chance of mislynching me at the time | ||
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Also, I already had a Rayn Train series of paint pics that I was drawing earlier, now I feel like I can never post because the train would be overused. | ||
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LARGE QUESTIONS MARKS AT RISEN. | ||
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It also means that anyone who was looking at D3 votes and considering Risen to be mafia has to work from a new angle. | ||
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I did what I could to bring freedom and democracy to Turkeystan and Pieraq. | ||
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Voted BC D1 Absolutely can't seem to make up his mind on risen (Calls him scum pretty often, but is constantly putting up what to do in case he flips town, and is putting in MORE effort to analyze townRisen scenarios than scumRisen scenarios. Who focuses on the flip they aren't expecting? Possible indication that he KNOWS Risen will flip town, and his analysis is focused on the scenario that will happen) He NEVER mentions hiro. He never mentions thrawn until D4, in which he wants to lynch risen and then look at thrawn and others later. However, when really pushed about thrawn, he looks, pulls up a couple quotes, and votes the guy. But again, he's super duper willing to switch to thrawn because of a couple quotes from BC. But when thrawn writes things about risen, or risen does jack all, CC very very very very unsure. Look at how sure he is of the thrawn lynch and why, then look at how much he hedges on the risen lynch and why. Based on his posting, to you (oats), or others, do you think CC should be 100000% convinced on thrawn, but so hedge-y on Risen? | ||
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He goes straight from BC should be elected to BC a decent lynch, along with LM/mattchew, just because mocsta made a single post about not liking how someone was analyzing BC. Is this enough of a reason to pull a full 180 on your read? Does CC base all of his reads in things that mocsta said about people? (No, he doesn;t). So...oatsy woatsy. Why is it laughable that CC could be scum? TO ANYONE ELSE - IS IT LAUGHABLE THAT CC COULD BE SCUM? PLOX TO INFORM AS TO WHY. | ||
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On November 18 2013 01:34 Mocsta wrote: Cheese is pretty detached from the game. Not just the low filter count just the posts in general. This is interesting: No follow up either of why this is important to ask either. There is potential here I think. Rayn I haven't formed an opinion of yet. Hes been kinda present but I find I know he is posting but I can't recall what its about. This assassin talk reminds me of all that too. BC calls him a lurker, an annoying as fuck but consistent lurker. Then a lurker who's a null read. Leaves him null in his final reads post - + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 08:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Alakaslam has kept to the same behaviour all game, as has kush and cheesecake. They are pure lurking in my books. Annoying as fuck and useless? Yes but consistent. Of the other 3 mattchew strikes me as doing similar as the 3 I have differentiated from however he feels horribly wrong. His play has been bad and he feels off. The other two are different. Holy really has done nothing until prodded. He follows thread sentiment more than anything and imo opinion its bloody fake. Could I be wrong? yes. I can continue to harp on why I think grack is scum. In short the guy has actively trolled, done nothing really positive all game and continues even after people think hes town as town can be is useless. I don't see someone who is believed to be town by so many actively not help. Every fucking townies dream should be get confirmed and attempt to kill mafia left and right. not luck out and get confirmed then fuck around like a dbag On November 20 2013 08:12 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Likely Asassin, modkill and useless to talk about, lurker whos a null read On November 23 2013 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it. 100% town BloodyC0bbler Supersoft Pandain Rayn Coag Koshi Null Cheesecake Vayne onegu slam lonemeow Risen Mafia Thrawn Grackeroni HolyFlare Hopeless1nder Oatsmaster Mig (possible) Austin (possible) Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game. My reasoning behind these choices Thrawn I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right. Grack He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet. HolyFlare This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum. Hopeless1nder. Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red. Oatmaster SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable. Mig Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel. Austin Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list. Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum. Thrawn NEVER mentions CC, except when talking about my scumread on CC - + Show Spoiler + When I pressed him for scumreads he gave me MRCC and rayn, and the amount of analysis he gave me to back up those reads pales in comparison to the aforementioned play by play. What I see is someone who is often lurky, someone who can be mislynched in games where he lurks heavily, getting ZERO pressure from any of our flipped scum. None of them make any attempt to even give a READ on him. But when I mention CC on D1, mocsta pops up and talks about him to call him detached and say CC potentially scum (As i read it), but he never returns to the subject. Thrawn thinks I'm scummy because I didn't provide a boatload of analysis on a CC scumread, but he never attempts to analyze CC himself. BC makes no attempt to analyze CC. | ||
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Cuz I'd be interested in what exactly you're looking at. | ||
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Post whenever, because good lord if you're town we really don't know what you're thinking. You gots to be taking stances and making reads and ... if you can't get involved, get on the record about a bunch of stuff. Pleeeeeeeeeease. | ||
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Someone has to have done Things. Scummy Things™. There are less people than before, less possible people doing Scummy Things™. To assume that mafia is "setting up mislynches" implies that they have control of town. I don't currently think they do. Therefore, they're looking for mislynches, but having a hard time setting them up. We just stop mislynches, make good lynches. I currently don't want to lynch oats, but will reread him. I don't THINK I want to lynch Onegu either. Right now would prefer Cheese or possibly Vayne. I am full of 2 days of continuous food, but that's where my mind is at right now, and I'll post more substantively in the morning EST. | ||
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Specifically, look at cheesecake's filter, it ain't huge, and gimme some thoughts. Then look at what I said or anyone else has said about cheesecake, and see if your thoughts match up with those, or if you feel differently, and then say why. Reading and writing, no 'rithmatic involved. Also, you should look at Vayne's filter. Then look at my jumbled up basic thoughts post on VA, specifically addressing the "keeping bomb on BC in order to get around any mafia medics --> no need to lynch BC, my bomb will kill him" point. You should do these things instead of martyring or posting about Star Trek (TNG fo lyfe). You should do these things instead of not doing things. Please please please. I am sorry for not being around much last couple days, but I should be back to active tomorrow, once family and festivities are done. But seriously, even if you want to lynch A or B, it's worth actually talking about some other folks. I know there has been discussion on Coag and Oats, and this is Good, but I would like to look at Cheese/VA instead. I don't want to lynch Oats, based on his D1, but I will reread because his current play is not his D1 play. | ||
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On December 01 2013 20:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: You called out BC after mocsta's death. Why did a single mocsta post cause you to call your previous towniest vet likely mafia and a good lynch for D3?There is literally no reason i should be suspicious. I called out BC after mocstas death early, killed thrawn etc. Only reason ppl dont like me is cus of my risen post that had if risen flips toen. I POSTED THAT IN CASE I DIED TO LEAD YOU TO VICTORY. We lynch into onegu/oats/slam. On December 01 2013 20:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 'Splain##vote: Oats I can get aboard the oats train. SS blocked him and stuff hopefully thats where the kp went | ||
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Coag town imo. Doesn't try to get BC elected D1 at all, calls him town, yes, but whatevs on that. He doesn't really try to push anyone off BC on D3 either, calls him town but no effort into saving. He ... is mostly inactive but gets really, really active when he thinks people are super lying - grack about himself, and then the pandain/SS situation. I actually like that, just gut read is that those are things that might pull in someone not overly paying attention, and he's consistent in getting active whenever someone appears to be lying. N3, coag randomly says to lynch thrawn/oats if he dies. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE SAYS THRAWN HE HASN'T MENTIONED THRAWN AT ALL AND THAT IS VERY CURIOUS!?!?!?!?!? IF HE WAS MAFIA HE KNOWS HE WON'T DIE AND HE DOESN'T WANT THRAWN LYNCHED ETC. ETC. LIKE THERE JUST ISN'T A REASON TO DO THIS AS MAFIA, GIVE A FAKE DEATH THING AND ONE THAT WILL LOOK A LITTLE WONKY? Then he's cool with risen OR thrawn lynch, wants oats, but doesn't care between the other two. I don't understand why he goes lynch thrawn if I die --> thrawn neutral --> vote thrawn if he's mafia. He doesn't need to, and ... he KNOWS that he's gonna start catching some flak and maybe get lynched soonish. Why does he go wonky like this? If he's trying to protect someone and die in their stead, maybe, but scum doesn't WANT to lose anyone. Then he's really concerned about why Mig wants to lynch him if Risen flips red. Scum coag knows risen won't flip red, probably doesn't care so much about that? + Show Spoiler + On November 26 2013 15:10 Coagulation wrote: what the fuck. why the fuck would you go after me if risen gets flipped red? On to oatstown! | ||
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On November 15 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Wgere did mocsta go. Also how the fuck is Hiro your top townread Austin.. On November 15 2013 13:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I get totally different conclusions than you from his filter Austin. First post was a joke and probably something pregame. So thats null. Next post null. Last post, what happens if scum get shennined into the mayor because scum fucks up? I dunno about you, but I do not feel comfortable with giving scum a scum favored role. Its much better to just get the top 2 townies into those 2 roles. On November 15 2013 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Btw austin, its been suggested in the 2 mayor games Ive played so far, i assume its not a new thing. Anyway, its not that bad for scum if a townie gets the pardorner and then gets lynched. Its way worse if a townie gets pardoner and is totally town and will never get lynched. Oats is constantly asking for information. Who played with rayn and is he playing similar. Oats thinks risen is paranoid as town, questions rayn when rayn says risen paranoid as both alignments, can rayn show proof? Oats says pandain looks better for calling LM town, when a scum mason could have "counterclaimed" and tried to throw suspicion. That's a slightly odd thought process in a multi-mason game and with masons of multiple alignments, but I find that a townie way of getting a read. Goes around yelling that VE doesn't care about lynching scum and is the assassin. Funky thing for mafia to run around saying? Mafia HAS NO DOG IN THE FIGHT, therefore, they want to make sure the mayor doesn't lynch them. VE, who wanted to lynch 800000 townies, is a GREAT mayor for mafia. I don't think mafia want to shed doubt on VE or call his lynches townie, they're cool with his election. Interacts with thrawn D2, questioning a koshi read. Not a distancing thing if he's scum, like scumoats would have done with scummoc, but just a question and a minor chat. Pesters thrawn, why, if thrawn think BH is town, is he not trying harder to prevent a mislynch? THIS IS TOWN IMO. HE FOUGHTIFIED WITH MOC, NOW WITH THRAWN? TOO MUCH. TOO MANY FITE. MOREOVER, SCUMOATS DOESN'T PICK THIS FIGHT I DON'T THINK. He also fights with Pandain, when Pandain says BH looks townie for his claiming and unclaiming and urrthang. Oats is ... critically thinking about BH, his alignment, and his interactions? Oats thinks BH looks scummy for the claims, but wonders why Thrawn isn't fighting to save scummyBH. That's a legitimate, townie question to thrawn then, not trying to get BH not-lynched somehow. Oats also MAEK FITE ON BC when BC gives that schpiel about mocsta fighting with grack, therefore them being scumbuddies. Calls BC scummy D2, THEN DOES NOT VOTE FOR HIM ON D3. You can spin this scummy, but I read it townie. Whereas thrawn went townBC --> scumBC with weak reasoning and part of catching him is seeing that, Oats was scumBC --> notvotingBC. Oats has GREAT reason to vote BC, he pounced on BC's treatment of the meta the hardest. Oats is town. Don't lynch him. Read his frigging filter in its entirety and look at his interactions with flipped scum and try to give motives for his interacting like he does. Y'all is being bootyfaces. He is town. I have NO EARTHLY IDEA why oats wants to lynch SS over BC D3. He was pushing BC somewhat D2, SS gives his whole "I'm a RB and BC can't be scum cuz oats is scum" thing, and I can understand that messing with reads, but I do not see scum oats going so hard at scumbuddies and then swapping away and deciding people are town suddenly when it comes down to it. Why "distance" himself from BC if he's not going to get the cred with a vote? He defendsish thrawn on D4, despite having some slight words with thrawn D2. Oats recently has been doling out a couple townreads that make it....difficult to win if the scumteam isn't VA/oats. OATS HAS SOME REALLY WEIRD VOTES LIKE THE NO-VOTE BC AND THE TRYING TO VOTE RISEN OVER THRAWN. BUT LOOK AT HIS FRIGGIN EARLY GAME. HE'S VERY INTERACTIVE WITH MOCSTA, THRAWN, AND BC, AND GENERALLY CRITICAL OF ALL. HE COULD LYNCH THEM (ESPECIALLY BC), AND RIDE DA CRED TRAIN. BUT HE DOES NOT. AND HE IS ATTACKING SOME VERY GOOD THINGS IMO ---> BC'S CRAP ON MOCSTA/GRACK, HE ATTACK, OTHERS NO ATTACK; THRAWN'S NOT SAVING BH, HE ATTACK WHEN MAFIA DON'T CARE. I DO NOT LIKE OATS LYNCH. I LIKE CC LYNCH. ##vote: Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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Oats, why is CC town/a bad lynch? Also, what in the things I mention makes coag scummy? | ||
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He doesn't call thrawn scummy out of nowhere for cred. He randomly says to KILL thrawn, then calls him null, then says he's convinced and votes, relatively early IIRC. Scum coag could maintain a hrawnscum read for cred, but CANNOT get much cred by flopping shoot. Scum coag could wait and see on thrawn, whether I was gonna push and push and maybe get peeps off risen. Scum coag could do a whole lot of sensible things, get cred, try to save buddy, just not vote buddy w/o try and save. Instead, he says to kill thrawn if coag dies, then calls him null, then votes him. He basically criss crosses.the two things it seems scum would want to do in this case, does only part of each. | ||
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It's not a wait and see plan. It's not gonna look good if/when thrawn flips (risen right, thrawn would probably be lynched next day if not d4). But he does that. | ||
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He was your towniest vet. Then, based on a single mocsta post, he was a good lynch. Your entire read swung 180 on one mocsta post that you said made bc look.bad. but you didn't draw reads on EVERYONE from mocstas filter, and you didn't consider anything else. Entirely different from indecisive on bc. You were super decisive one way, thrn the other, based.on a couple lines in a filter and apparently nothing more | ||
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Grack, please magically reappear! LoneMeow, please magically reappear and talk to me about people other than CC, and why you find/found CC townie! Oats, please also magically appear and talk to me about why you find/found CC townie! Yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayaya | ||
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On December 02 2013 07:12 Holyflare wrote: I don't love lynching coag. Your case boils down to (1) BC shifting his coag read around; (2) coag's posting being...lacking; and (3) coag's reads shifting at times in odd ways, as I read it.What's up! I don't think we should lynch cheesecake today by the way, he has only really been discussed VERY recently and you have had no back and forth, austin you are in agreement (presumably because half the things you said on coag were what I said in my case) on coag and he HAS been discussed and was part of the original lynch plan. I am much more comfortable lynching him over cheesecake unless you can wholeheartedly convince me otherwise. ##Vote Coag I don't think that ANY flipped scum have had particular cool things to say about CC. Will look back over that, but I think that was a point in an earlier post of mine, gonna double check because it's 'portant. As far as coag's posting, it's not a factor. He can post poopily as both alignments iirc. And he HAS gotten posty at certain times. Yes, oats or whoever has a legit point that the interesting times are the times mafia can post, but look at what coag gets interested in. People lying. He doesn't go nuts about mayors. He doesn't go nuts about risen maybe being town or scum. He doesn't go nuts over these things that are just "maybe this, maybe that, blah blah." He is only posty and interested in things that would, in many cases, lead to found scum. I like that about his filter, and may be entirely bass ackwards, but i DO find that townie here. As far as his reads, yeah, they shift for little reason. Or he wants to lynch people that he didn't mention. Or whatever. But if coag is MAFIA, then HOLY CRAP WHY WOULD HE DO THAT!?!?!? This isn't thrawn flipping on BC for little/no reason. This is coag straight up saying lynch x or y, I find x null, okay let's lynch x. Can you give me ANY mafia motivation for explicitly just picking up and dropping "reads" for no reason? Because I don't see a mafia agenda being supported, and I see little mafia motivation for making yourself look so wonky, and so I think that while coag may not be super pro-town or helpful with his reads, he's not DOING ANYTHING mafia-ish with them. And that's important to me. It fits the lazy townie picture that I have in my head, and not the lazy mafia picture. At the very least, mafia coag could like...play for mafia. Could not be super changing his reads for no reason. Could be even lurkier. | ||
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And at the time he swaps, he's the THIRD VOTE on thrawn. He comes over EARLY. He doesn't wait to see if people are around, he doesn't hedge and check thread's temperature, he doesn't argue or drag his feet or anything. He just lumbers over to thrawn for less-than-clearly-specified reasons. | ||
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On December 02 2013 07:31 Holyflare wrote: Some of the votes that have popped onto CC ARE odd. He all of a sudden picked up oodles of steam. But imo, a lot of the coag and oats lynches are "these guys have done some scummy things, here they are, look look! they did some scummy stuff one time, lynch lynch lynch." For all the back and forth you think is lacking on CC, have you felt ANY back and forth on coag, or any REAL stuff on oats? I haven't seen that either. Just because they've been semi-railroaded for longer, whether town or scum, doesn't mean there's been even-sided discussion on them. I think the earlier the vote the more suspicious it is tbh, you just take the post that you wrote at face value, he didn't have to read it, risen had WAY more votes and heck who knew if thrawn would get lynched? It would be suspicious as hell if after saying both were null reads (after saying thrawn should be killed next) he switched back to risen. If I didn't switch risen WOULD have been lynched. Alakaslam moved OFF of thrawn which would have completely secured the kill on him right near the deadline, how do you know whether or not there were mafia shenanigans at present? Coag's posting whether he comes back or not are so mediocre I cannot see how you can get any postive read on him at all. If you refuse to lynch him I would MUCH rather lynch into slam/onegu/LM, LM looks really odd from mason chats and his switch to CC just now was so fucking strange after JUST making a case on oats it baffles me what he is thinking. He spent time to make a case on someone to then NOT push it any further and sheep someone he thinks is town? Coag switches early. He doesn't need to. Thrawn BARELY gets lynched, you are correct, that makes me look somewhat more favorable on the thrawn voters, and is honestly the most townie thing about CC to me. This is not a day to vote a buddy early just to look good later. There is a big fat KP at stake in a game with one or two vets left. That is mega-'portant. You're telling me coag votes before much happens, just to look better, not waiting to see if he's super duper screwing his team over, losing KP, ruining a mislynch. We don't know at all whether there were mafia shenanigans. But the timing on votes and the...reasoning or whatever is important. Coag gets almost no credit for his thrawn vote, the reason you think mafia would vote thrawn. He never says "Lookie lookie I killed thrawn!" He TELLS SLAM TO VOTE THRAWN. It does not FEEL like a vote for credit. We don't know, but just because it CAN be for credit doesn't mean it is, and based on the timing, his telling slam to lynch thrawn, and his not really bringing either of those up, he looks townie to me. | ||
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Not look at CC's mentions of thrawn, and WHEN he votes. Also, look at his posts and suspicions on Risen. Thrawn + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 08:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: FIRST MENTION. After D3. Auto-lynch risen, then later we look at a bunch of dudesWe lynch risen auto tmrw no shenanies. Then we look into thrawn/oats/koshi. You and me both SS. Although ill prolly F off most of the time just make me proud. On November 24 2013 10:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Because SS said so. Never said thrawn aint maf. Why is thrawn, who you have never mentioned before, mafia? Because SS said so! I HATE WHEN PEOPLE DO THIS AND THE ONLY OTHER TIME I REALLY RAILED AGAINST IT, A SCUMMY DUDE DID THIS. MATTCHEW SHEEPED MARV'S D1 READ IN SOME GAME WHEN MARV HAD A BAD RECORD WITH D1 VOTING. SS SPENT THE WHOLE GAME WANTING TO LYNCH OATS BECAUSE MAYBE HE BLOCKED SOME KP. SS WAS BLINDED BY THAT FACT, AND IT COLORED HIS READS INCORRECTLY, AND I THINK PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO LYNCH DOWN SS'S LIST WERE SCUMMY BECAUSE SS SPENT A WHILE ARGUING BC TOWN AND OATS SCUM AND HE IS NOT THE PERSON WHOSE LIST WE SHOULD FOLLOW. ANYONE WHO SAYS "FOLLOW SS'S LIST" AND NEVER SAYS "FOLLOW ARTANIS'S LYNCH, THE VIGI WHO WOULD HAVE SHOT 2 MAFIA" IS SILLY SILLY SILLY SILLY SILLY AND SCUMMY. ALSO ALSO, LOOK AT THE FRIGGING POST. HE'S NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THRAWN, AND INSTEAD OF PROVIDED WHY THRAWN IS SCUMMY OR NOT, COMPARED TO RISEN, HE JUST SAYS HE HAS NEVER SAID THRAWN ISN'T MAFIA. WHAT IS THAT!? On November 26 2013 02:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Im looking at thrawn more now. On November 26 2013 02:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: HE STILL REFUSES TO CALL THRAWN MAFIA. THESE POSTS INVOLVE THRAWN, BUT THERE IS NO READ HERE. ALL HE DOES IS TOSS A SINGLE THING OUT TO SHOW HE'S LOOKING AT THRAWN. HE SHOULD FIND THRAWN'S NOT TRYING TO DISBAND THE LYNCH SCUMMY. BUT HE DOESN'T SAY THAT. HE DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THRAWN'S EARLIER PLAY. NADA.Thrawn calls grack scum, and risen town. Why the fuck isn't he trying at all to disband this lynch? He knows he's next in line, too. ONLY LATER DOES CC GO LOOK AT THRAWN. AND HE NEVER USES THRAWN'S FILTER ITSELF, JUST WHAT BC SAYS ABOUT THRAWN. LOOK. HE CHECKS MOCSTA'S FILTER, SAYS NOTHING ABOUT MOCSTA <---> THRAWN. HE CHECKS BC's FILTER, SHOWS HOW THRAWN LOOKS A LITTLE WONKY THERE. NEVER SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THRAWN'S FILTER. DOES NOT LOOK GREAT TO ME. HIS ONLY REASON FOR THRAWN BEING MAFIA THAT HE EVER GAVE WAS THAT BC CALLS OUT HIRO/THRAWN BUT NOT OTHER LURKERS. THAT AIN'T DOGSQUAT. IT'S D4. THRAWN HAS POSTED AND DONE STUFF. WHY DOESN'T HE CARE WHAT THRAWN HAS DOOOOONE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Risen + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 07:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Whyyyyyyyy? (Also this is three townies, right after BC dies, and scum NEED to lynch town and not mafia in order to preserve KP. This is first mention of risen.Im also really suspect of koshi, SS, risen. I think that fits nicely. Then the auto-lynch risen because of SS. WHY!? WHY WOULD WE DO THAT!? On November 24 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Start counting. Here, Risen is 10000000% mafia.OMG SUPER IM SORRY I DOUBTED YOU!!! OATS LOOKS BAD BUT IDC KILL RISEN 10000000% I start the claim. I'm VT. Not doctor, Sadly. At night, after thrawn is lynched, he starts considering Risen as possible town: On November 26 2013 10:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mig Onegu Koshi Coagulation Hopeless1der Grackaroni Pandain VayneAuthority austinmcc Risen Mr. Cheesecake Holyflare LoneMeow Alakaslam Oatsmaster I'm looking at this if Risen is indeed town. On November 26 2013 10:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Therefore we lynch risen, if town, then lynch from the not-green list and get a 3/5 chance to hit mafia. On November 26 2013 10:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If Risen is mafia, then i'm looking harder at people who really wanted to switch to thrawn to gain that towncred. Risen was his D4 lynch. Then he moved to thrawn, but risen was 10000000% mafia. But now, maybe risen is town? In fact, let's figure out the game if risen is town. UNHOLY FUCKER OF MOTHERS AIN'T NOBODY THINK RISEN IS TOWN RIGHT NOW EXCEPT MAYBE VA. HE JUST TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF WHEN WE NEEDED TO KILL SCUM. WHAT THE DEUCE WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND LOOKING AT GAME OBJECTIVELY GOES FROM RISEN HAS TO DIE TO MAYBE RISEN IS TOWNIE FOR TRYING TO GIVE MAFIA MORE KP1?!?!?!?!?!!? On November 26 2013 12:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: In addition: Look at the votecount on D3 with BC/Thrawn/Risen. both scum were voting for Pandain, and not risen. Risen had his vote tied up in Oats and rayn. Yeah, we're lynching Risen tomorrow 100% no shenannies. Except really no shenannies this time. Risen is mafia again. On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He says there's "INDISPUTABLE evidence that RISEN IS PROBABLY MAFIA." WHAT DOES THAT MEEEEEAAAAAN? That means jack. That means nothing. You can't argue that Risen might or might not be mafia, but probably is. Back to you in the studio, Jeanette.Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do 1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations.
B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look! + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote: 1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me. 2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not. Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently. C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch. 2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct. Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town. Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen. Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn. Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn. austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town. Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches. Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on. LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez. Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town. Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember. Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn. Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled. Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim? VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either. 3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left! We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn. For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips. Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game. LOOK AT HOW MUCH WORK HE PUTS INTO "WHAT IF RISEN IS TOWN!?" He thought Risen was 1000000% mafia. He thinks Risen is 100% the vote because of Risen's D3 pandain vote. But he's got HUGE text on what to do if Risen is town. WHY IN THE WORLD!? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY1? IF RISEN FLIPS TOWN DON'T WE FIGURE THAT OUT LATER BUT NOBODY THINKS RISEN IS TOWN?! On November 26 2013 14:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Bee tee dubs, Risen is maybe not town. Just a side note: The list in "Risen Flips Town" scenario is tentative. I didn't do that much analysis, and would rather wait for his flip, as to not waste all the energy/effort on something that wasn't true. I think CC pulls thrawn out of his butt, dodges EVER calling him mafia during a time where mafia NEEDS to keep scumbuddies alive, and only comes on board when a vote or two has been placed, indicating that momentum has started shifting to thrawn. He comes on board NOT by reading thrawn. NOT by ever calling thrawn scummy. But by pulling up a single BC post that mentions hiro, and working off of that. THIS is his reason for voting. BC made a post that had hiro but not other lurkers. GG THRAWN SCUM LYNCH LYNCH. No. Not buying it. I think CC ALSO pulls risen out of his butt, because risen all of a sudden looks bad. CC wants to lynch him because of the SS list, which, see the spoilers, I find scummy. CC wants to lynch him, wants to lynch him, but keeps hedging that maybe he's town and what we should do if he's town. He is making these posts after Risen continues voting himself when we need to reduce mafia KP. Risen ain't town at that point. 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On December 02 2013 08:00 Holyflare wrote: The timing is curious, given that the last game he was scum in he basically lurked, scum got behind, they made an odd fakeclaimy/bus play, and then he went back to lurking. He almost made it an extra day or two as last scum, except he just sat there trying to leech off his cred from their bus/claim.So someone starts a lot of effort into the game and your first remark is that he is scum lynch with fire? He can't do that again. Scum is losing ground, they lost BC, and if the other scummers are folks like thrawn, then they NEED some thread presence. CC all of a sudden picks up when scum need thread presence, and he's ... being active about hypotheticals. He's reading some tangential filters, calling people scum/mafia based on what scum said. He's rarely looking at x's filter to call x a certain alignment. It's not that he started putting in effort. It's the timing, it's what the effort was, and it's his thought process behind the effort. It is...very difficult...to call someone 1000000% the lynch and 100% the lynch and then keep talking about what to do if they're town WAY BEFORE THE FLIP. When you never mentioned him (or that other dude that flipped scum), before N3. | ||
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On December 02 2013 07:45 Pandain wrote: This is the best anti-oats argument I can see, not voting thrawn and being a little weird.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435454&user=Oatsmaster Mm actions louder then words. Did he ever actually push Mocsta, Austin. Did he say oh shut your scummy. He defended thrawn. He never actually voted for BC. Regardless of cheesecakes alignment, oats is probably scum. And I do think that maybe we shouldn't lynch a guy who voted to lower mafia kp. Today at least But I have also never seen oats REALLY push stuff. As town, as mafia (i think), as anything. I don't find it scummy or townie that he'd call someone scum or defend them or whatever and then never be a force to lynch/kill mocsta, save thrawn, whatever. I DON'T LIKE WRITING THAT BUT MY GUT JUST SAYS THAT OATS IS TOWN AND IT KEEPS BEING KIND OF RIGHT ON HIM SO I DUNNO. I HATE THAT CHEESE VOTED THRAWN BUT IT WASN'T AS EARLY AS COAG AND IT'S...IT'S NEVER ANYTHING ABOUT THRAWN HIMSELF THAT LEADS TO CHEESE VOTING. | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:05 Holyflare wrote: Coag votes earlier. Coag doesn't care to come up with reasoning, fake or real, but just sheeps my post. Coag starts putting in work when he sees anyone lie, NOT when he scum need someone to step up. Coag doesn't call Risen super duper 100% lynch, but then hedge about his alignment for days.Now compare that to coag, it's the same thing!?!?!??!!? Coag doesn't try to influence thread. Or make his reads helpful, more or less. Cheese tries to make his reads helpful, but he's never reading the filters he should and talking about players directly. He's trying to make them helpful at an odd time, and from an odd angle. Also, coag does tell slam to vote thrawn. It's not much at all, but if slam is town then scumcoag PROBABLY DOESN'T TELL A TOWNIE TO VOTE HIS BUDDY. | ||
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On December 02 2013 07:03 austinmcc wrote: Grack, please magically reappear! LoneMeow, please magically reappear and talk to me about people other than CC, and why you find/found CC townie! Oats, please also magically appear and talk to me about why you find/found CC townie! Yayayayayayayayayayayayayayayaya On December 02 2013 07:05 austinmcc wrote: And CC talk to me about Vayne! 1 goal down! Come ooonnnnn, other goals! | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:15 Pandain wrote: I don't remember pushy town oats in Cop Sandwich. I don't remember pushy oats in Nuclear, in fact he got tripped up because he didn't remember why he'd sheeped some read.Austin your wrong if you think he doesn't push stuff. Only time he did this game was on suspicious mofo BH who fake claimed. Where has he been pushy/leadery, not just repeating that someone is some alignment, but actually trying to change minds? | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:17 Pandain wrote: Thug Life, town. Nuclear...Nuclear Winter? Mafia.Please use correct game terms I have not known any game you referenced because of it | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:21 Pandain wrote: Do you have other active games from him?http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432504&user=Oatsmaster&view=all Look at this he was way more active Cuz he wasn't aprticularly active in thug life. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=Oatsmaster Same thing as here, pushed as a mislynch by mafia, only avoided it because he got a town check from Koshi. And after that check, he proceeded to not be a massive force the next day and then get shot at some point? | ||
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He also had an activeish D1/D2 in that game, and started to tail off and get less progressy and good questiony. That reminds me of this game! Also, I don't think you can say a dude was pretty obviously looking for scum when town VERY LIKELY would have mislynched him had it not been for the Koshi check. I couldn't get any traction on calling him town. As a townie in that game who found him townie, the consensus was NOT that he looked good or was hunting scum or was progressing the game, the consensus of the townies in that game was that he was mafia and should get killified. | ||
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Yeah, I looked at ##. Much more active. Also a much wonkier game, powers and twerking and whatnot. Oats was shot N4 in Thug Life. The start of D5 came when we were already ~90% through with the game, or through with the thread. There was time where he wasn't doing oodles, and for all his questioning and stuff, he was STILL gonna get lynched on D4 without the check. | ||
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On December 02 2013 08:41 Holyflare wrote: I think his timing is more poorly positioned than Coag's, at the very least.I think you've extrapolated the wrong side of things from CC's reads on risen. I do agree that he didn't mention thrawn reasonings for mafia compared to risen though but what good reason does he have to switch to thrawn in the first place? Reduction of kp against 2 vets? Kill off for town cred? No, he clearly didn't get any of that, I don't think you can get a thought process from the lack of information that he posted so it's null at best not the scummy light that you have painted it. I also know that CC is full willing to do weird stuff/bussy stuff as mafia. See Thug Life, where he fakes that his scumbuddy sent him a mason request, when only scum could mason. We lynch scumbuddy, CC attempts to ride that faked interaction to sweet, sweet victory. I forget Aperture, but I think there he was also willing to lynch scummers or do whatever. Those are not 1:1 comparisons, given that the thrawn lynch halved mafia KP. But Cheese killing off mafia isn't ... out of the norm for scumcheese. I think you can absolutely get a thought process from what he posted. He never called thrawn SCUM/MAFIA. He never mentioned thrawn before that day, and when questioned, noted that he had never said thrawn WASN'T MAFIA. Did he follow up with any read? No. Did he look at thrawn like he looked at risen? No. Did he EVER look at thrawn? It doesn't appear so. But unlike coag, who doesn't care about justifying his vote much, CC still feels the need to justify his vote on thrawn. I can tell you I do that a lot as mafia voting scumbuddy, you don't want to look scummy and sheep a case (coag), you want to be like, oh yeah, I liked that case, so I went and looked at his filter, and THIS is scummy too gaiz! CC's thrawn vote reads like that. He STILL does not talk about thrawn, ever. STILL does not say that thrawn is mafia, scummy, or talk about anything thrawn said. All he does is say that BC called hiro maybe mafia over other lurkers, THEREFORE THRAWN IS TOTES SCUM LET'S LYNCH HIM. You had posted oddities about thrawn. I had posted oddities about thrawn. CC ENTIRELY IGNORES ALL THAT STUFF, AND VOTES A DUDE THAT HE NEVER CALLS MAFIA JUST BECAUSE BC MADE SOME COMMENT ON D1. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:05 Holyflare wrote: The alternatives and people to follow up on for me are slam and VA.Ok, I get it but I just don't get the "feels" that you do :/ I do like meta though but I don't want to actively lynch someone that I got a read on that seems to be opposite to thread sentiment without researching it myself first. If CC was out of the picture austin who would your alternatives/follow ups be on? I would like to discuss LM's switch to CC too after JUST making a case on oats, what do you think of that?? Onegu is the same judging by the votes although I didn't read his reasoning for a switch. I think. Things are still dying down from thanksgiving here, and I have not had full time the last couple days to work more towards solving things. Slam had a couple curious votes that stood out to me, and from what I recall his filter doesn't have those posts that tickle me townie like coag/oats. VA is still VA. I still want people to actually read him and see if they can explain his thoughts/actions. Onegu was, at the very least, set to make some case/points on Cheese. Whether I influenced that or not I dunno, but his vote doesn't come out of the blue. LM's is funky, and I'm not entirely sold on his townieness, but I don't know that scumLM would mason me and chat that much. # of mafia masons isn't anything to go on. iirc, we also had some mafia bros pointing out LM occasionally? That may be made up. I know CC mentioned him, when saying we lynch mattchew/LM/BC. | ||
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And his switch is because of a BC post, not at all because of anything that thrawn said. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:12 Grackaroni wrote: I disagree with this. What reasoning does he give for thrawn?He gave more reasoning for Thrawn being mafia then he did for Risen. | ||
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Yet apart from holyflare, who is getting no traction on coag, nobody is really pushing to lynch those two. I don't think that makes sense. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:21 Holyflare wrote: Who?Would much rather get rid of some of the riff-raff lurkery scummy people though. Coag on pg 8 of filter Onegu on pg 9 Hopeless 6. Wtf. I thought he'd posted more than that, but i've just been liking his posts so have not kept track well. Cheese on 10 after this burst of activity. LM 4, but also has some logs. I don't think Cheese is very "non-lurkery", since so much of his activity is JUST recent and is rampant speculation about something that nobody thought would happennnnn. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:24 Holyflare wrote: He made a giant game plan for risen town. His game plan for scumRisen is Like he literally made a game plan on both scenario's and is following it to the letter and people are calling it scummy? 3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left! Read that. His game plan for scum risen is to look at some stuff that we can already look at. Likes Koshi.We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn. For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. BUT LOOK AT THIS PLAN. IT AIN'T A PLAN. HE SPECULATES ON ALIGNMENTS RELATIVE TO TOWN RISEN BUT NEVER TO SCUM RISEN. IN FACT, HE SAYS "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" FOR SCUM RISEN. WHY SPECULATE ON TOWN RISEN BUT NOT FOR SCUM RISEN? WHY WAIT TO SEE A FLIP FOR SCUM RISEN? Furthermore, why does he think oats is mafia? He had oats as town, oats as town, oats as town, then oats as scum because of the RB (but that requires a town BC). Then he wants to look into thrawn/oats/koshi after killing risen. WHY!? WHY DOES HE WANT TO KILL OATS? CAN YOU FIND IT? WHY DID HE CHANGE FROM TOWNOATS TO SCUMOATS? IN FACT, HE EVEN SAYS HE WANTS OATS TO BE TOWN RIGHT AFTER THAT. THIS IS THE ONLY TIME HE EVER SAYS OATS IS MAFIA On November 26 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hmm I now think Oats might be scum. Fuck that previous townread, this comment is so much BS because I haven't seen a single person try to lynch me. Don't try to buddy up to me in hopes you'll ride out to lylo based on my initial townread of you. AND LOOK AT HIS TWO "READS IF RISEN IS TOWN POSTS"+ Show Spoiler + On November 26 2013 10:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mig Onegu Koshi Coagulation Hopeless1der Grackaroni Pandain VayneAuthority austinmcc Risen Mr. Cheesecake Holyflare LoneMeow Alakaslam Oatsmaster I'm looking at this if Risen is indeed town. On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: 2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct. Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town. Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen. Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn. Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn. austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town. Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches. Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on. LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez. Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town. Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember. Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn. Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled. Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim? VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either. WHY THE BALLS WOULD MAFIA NOT VOTE IN THE THRAWN LYNCH? WHY DOES CC CALL HIS OLD TOWNREAD SCUM FOR NOT VOTING? SCUM REALLY REALLY REALLY NEEDED TO VOTE THERE? IT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE HE'S JUST TRYING TO FIND REASONS TO UNDO OLD TOWNREEEEEEADS. | ||
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CC's scumreads in that post are just calling people scum, while not doing the research to see if he thinks their play and posts are scummy. He's just cherry picking votes or not votes or single pushes, highlighting a single thing or saying he can't remember a single thing. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:36 Holyflare wrote: Did you read his reasoning?I'm not sure if you're blinded by tunnel vision austin but he quite clearly states who he wants to lynch if risen is town: He lists the people he wants to kill if risen is town, he said his battery is running out and the only other wagon that isn't him that is on that list is oats. Why are you pushing it as a scum agenda? Why does he want to lynch oats? Why does he want to lynch ANY of those people? Do you feel comfortable saying he put in a bunch of work to make those posts? | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:37 Holyflare wrote: Nonononono. I will stick by this 100000000%.Please stop using that logic as a scum motive when you are defending others who use no logic at all? Using NO LOGIC AT ALL puts the spotlight on you. It's scummy. It's a curious thing to do, it's in your filter, people will find it, they will call you on it. Scum DO NOT WANT TO LOOK SCUMMY. Lazy scum, active scum, scum don't want to look scummy. Oftentimes, they will try to give some kind of justification for their reads. Look at thrawn. Thrawn ATTEMPTED to give reasoning for his BC swap. He did not want to vote BC for no reason whatsoever. So he says he's concerned about the Mig thing, asks some questions. But he doesn't wait for answers, and therefore, his justification for the vote was pewp and made up. Having a pewp and made up justification is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR worse than having no justification, because it shows you realize no justification is scummy looking, don't want to look scummy, try to find a reason, but you can't actually find a good reason. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:38 Holyflare wrote: YES!He quite clearly could have voted risen or thrawn and nobody would give a shit, he didn't need to even give reasons to switch to anyone and you would just fob him off as towny as you are doing to coag. He found reasons that made sense to himself and you had a case on thrawn, he doesn't need to explicitly say anything about it. But he DOES He DOES say something about it, and the thing that he says about it is focused on one thing that BC once said. It's not a good justification, imo. The same way his BC read goes from towniest vet to "let's lynch" based on one thing he found in mocsta's filter. If nothing elsem: (1) He goes from towniest vet to mafia on BC because of one thing in mocsta's filter. (2) He goes from lynch risen definitely and look at thrawn later, no read, to scummy on thrawn because of one thing in BC's filter. He makes his scumread on BC, mafia, based on a single thing in a mafia filter. HE DOES NOT USE MOCSTA'S FILTER TO READ EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME. He makes a read on thrawn, mafia, based on a single thing in BC's filter. HE DOES NOT USE BC'S FILTER TO READ EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME. He is using scum filters to make associations SOMETIMES, but only single posts, and he's never combining that with their own filters, and he's never 100% analyzing those filters to get reads on URRBODY. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:40 Holyflare wrote: Inherent guilt. You WANT to justify your flip flops as scum.Ok, let me take a different approach, what scum agenda is he pushing with finding posts to justify his reasoning instead of following EVERYONE ELSES logic and voting using their logic? So he calls BC towniest vet. Then things are shifting, BC looks bad. People calling out BC, townies calling out BC. He wants to change his BC read to scummy, but he needs a reason. So he grabs a single mocsta post. He has NO reasoning on thrawn. Doesn't want to look like he's limping in, just sheeping for no reasoning, because inherent guilt. So he grabs that BC post. It's not a scum agenda thing with him trying to justify his reads, it's a .... facet of how scum look at the game? They are very concerned with not doing things that are scummy, when they can help it. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote: Yes. There is actually a reason though but it's sooper secret.this is a contradiction considering you think me giving no reasons for things is scummy | ||
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He started out wanting to lynch risen because ? and because SS said so. And for all the stuff about risen lynch giving a lot of information, he doesn't look like he's lynching for information. He calls risen 1000000% the lynch and 100% the guy to lynch and calls him scum at times, yet keeps calculating scenarios for when he's town. He does NOT do this for others. He does NOT calculate scenarios for when Risen is scum. Just look at his big plan. Here's the reads if Risen is town, here's what we do, here's why people are scummy. If Risen is mafia.....we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. That's not a super planny plan. And MOST of his people that are scummy is Risen is town are based ENTIRELY in a single vote, and not over their play during the game, and he seems to have no idea what they've done during the game. He put all this effort into a big reads post, and NOT MUCH effort into reading those people's filters beyond a single vote. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:51 Grackaroni wrote: Not boatloads and not early for mocsta's filter. A lot of Austin's points are just not true. Cheesecake did use Mocstas filter for reads on people besides BC and he thought Thrawn was scum before the switch. And I still disagree with you on him calling thrawn scum beforehand. He doesn't call thrawn scummy for not trying to disband a risen lynch, he just asks why he's not. He does say that thrawn is calling you scum and that anyone still calling you scum is scum, but those quotes are hours apart and he's never thrawn focused, he never even points out in his post where he swaps to thrawn that thrawn would fit that bill. He calls thrawn's entry post "terrible." Not scummy. Never calls thrawn scum there. How is it terrible? Terribly written? Terrible if thrawn is a townie becuase he's coming to wrong conclusions? Calling one post terrible =/= scumread. The ONLY thing I can see him calling thrawn scum by is "thrawn says grack scum" "people who say grack scum are mafia", but those are hours apart and he never connects the dots to say "thrawn is doing this still, now i like his lynch." He never references it again. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:56 Holyflare wrote: I don't really agree with this. I think you can plot either AFTER the lynch, and that there wasn't a lot of reason to expect town risen and put ANY work into figuring anything out if risen were town.Do you not understand why a if risen is town plan would be substantially bigger than an if risen is scum - we'll come to that later plan?? His plan was entirely based off of the thrawn lynch and whether it was scum/scum or town/scum. If it's scum/scum then we're at stage 1 again and thus he'd have to look into more people. If it was town/scum then scum were unlikely to bus thrawn and thus the lynches should be off the thrawn wagon. That's what I can't understand that nobody is getting at? There is more reason to say risen is town scenarios than doing more research into an if he is scum scenario. Less people to look at if he is town. Moreover, the "plan" is just lynch anyone that didn't vote thrawn. Basically. It has nothing to do with their play, their filters, their other votes, anything like that. His entire plan revolves around a single vote, and around scum never ever ever ever ever feeling like things were sliding towards thrawn too hard and they had to swap. Yes, it was an important lynch and scum didn't want thrawn lynched. But CC's entire plan is "no mafia voted thrawn, let's lynch everyone else, ggggggggggg." That's not...a lot. For all the work he put into coloring and writing that stuff out, his plan is basically "lynch anything that isn't pandain and didn't vote thrawn, no matter what happened the entire rest of the game, and I won't even read their filters to see who did what or what pandain claimed." It's a super lazy plan. It's a one-dimensional plan. I just...man I really do not like that plan or what CC has been doing. | ||
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Cuz bee tee dubs, look at their interactions with or about CC. Again: thrawn finds me scummy because I don't super back up a CC = scum read. But he never gives a read on cc himself. BC makes no attempt to read him, calls him null when specifically asked about him, and calls him null in his dying reads post. mocsta, when specifically asked, says he's detached, picks out one thing in cheese's filter and says "there is potential here," and then never mentions cheese again or follows up. | ||
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oats...please vote. pandain, if you ever argue townoats is super contributey and pushy and active again...remember this. | ||
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Gut read from thinking about things while doing other stuff is that I am overcomplexificating everything, as somewhat usual, and we should lynch someone who didn't vote thrawn. Especially if they mildly fought the lynch. Have to look at those folks harder tomorrow and catch up on the last 2 pages. Yes, I'm not reading those 2 pages right now, sry. | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:54 Grackaroni wrote: What is the preferred time to lynch coin-flippy players?I don't think now is the time to lynch somebody as coin flippy as Alakaslam. I'm back for an hour or so. Sorry for today/last night town. I don't want to vote anyone who voted thrawn today. Like, just basic instinct, whole team shouldn't be on him. Looking for someone who was on risen AND pushed against thrawn AND shows some other funky signs (weird change in BC read to vote him, voting for BC early, etc.). Gonna go looking, and am around to chat. I saw the case on onegu, I see the stuff on pandain. If BC is mafia and pandain were mafia and BOTH masoned SS D1, I would THINK that there would be some chat in their logs towards the end of the day about mocsta. Either a small amount of trying to get him to lynch non-mocstas, by calling mocsta questionable but not big scum, or by pushing other reads. If not that, there would be some push in the thread from them for non-SS mayor. Right? I don't see 1/3 of the scum team being masoned with a mayoral candidate who suddenly says he's looking at a scumbuddy, and then them do nothing about it. | ||
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Okay. Read through slam. I really, really wish he'd get back to scumhunting. There are ... case-y posts and suspicions on early days. We have a bunch of small filters to go through, but they still have posts you can pick apart. Plox to do. The more you go on and on about how we should lynch you to avoid a mislynch later, or how you're bad, the more you look really really odd. You just saw a townie do that. I haven't seen you do that in other games. Dub teef. Also, slam, why did you vote BC on D2? | ||
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Then he jumps on HF with rayn, first post that looks suspect. He's just piling on, calling everything HF does scummy. Not a fan of big HF post. Ducks a question about BC from Artanis. Thinks he has BC town, says he'll reread and look harder later. Big on defending LM. It's odd. On November 17 2013 03:13 Onegu wrote: This does not feel like his other reads. He's attacking HF for calling LM scum. He's attacking sharrant with some substantive posts. Granted he's not attacking BC, so his posts on BC would be different, but this read feels a little different compared to his other reads in the game? (See the townread on rayn, where rayn does this and that in other games, is doing this and that here, post post post. Onegu has played with rayn, probably not with BC, but his reasoning seems stronger on other reads than when talking about BC?)I actually thought BC was slightly townie. His posts about mayor were very townie IMO. There are a few points I am going to bring up and he should answer though. First after people bring up that storrzerg has played in recent newbies he kept attacking people who called storr a newb, I thought he was a bit agressive in doing so but not in a scummy way. @BC what is the difference between grack trolling and supersoft trolling? And who else is scum besides storr and grack? I still have to go over his filter but what I remember from just reading thread SS was uber agressive and trolling. In his first reads post, mocsta is VERY TOWNIE, BC town, very few others are town (storr is lynchbait and skan is town). He is REALLY defending rayn. Lots of posts on why rayn is town, why HF is wrong in attacking him. Out of nowhere notes that he was wrong on mocsta and sharrant, says his personal notes say mocsta's shot was terrible but makes him town. Very townie on mocsta until the flip. During N2 or D3, thrawn is a town read of his. This is out of nowhere. One reason I am scum is because I posted that hard/impossible-to-follow ramble on thrawn. Posts that he doesn't know why he's not getting flak for a risen unvote? This goes either way but is wonky, I have not seen him be too concerned with his own appearance. If he's town, he recognizes that BC swapped off risen, risen maybe scum. If he's mafia, he knows risen is town and that if he can get called scum for unvoting a dude who looks scummy but will flip town, it will look good for him. HALF HIS FILTER IS RAYN IS TOWN AND HF IS MAFIA AND HF/LM STUFF AND HE'S CARRYING IT A LONG WAY IF HE'S MAFIA. DOES HE REALLY JUST TUNNEL IN ON THIS AS MAFIA AND USE IT FOR ACTIVITY? THERE'S NOT ANY PARTICULAR REASON TO GIVE IT UP, BUT IT SEEMS CURIOUS THAT HE'S ENGAGED IN THIS SIDE FIGHT FOR THE ENTIRE GAAAME. I got to his current stuff. He never really gives a read on thrawn. He was gone during that day, for the most part, never touched it. He is okay with a slam lynch today because he can't read slam, but he gave reasons on D1 and early why slam was town. I would super duper love to lynch Onegu if he wasn't continually dragging the HF/LM stuff around, and if he didn't have so much rayn discussion on D1, really trying to show rayn was town. Also, I didn't link any quotes or anything, sorry, but that's just stream of conciousness running through his filter. | ||
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slam looks wonky. onegu looks super wonky at times, very strong townread on mocsta early, nothing much to say about BC, was town on thrawn but it seemed only because I was attacking him and onegu had me scum (which is...not the most terrible-est reason to have a read?), no participation in thrawn lynch due to outside factors, but no followup on thrawn even after death. Pandain hasn't done anything off the top of my head to ping scumdar, it's perfectly possible we have two vets. I don't really want to lynch him over other candidates given that, if he's town, he complicates things more for scum than other townies. Eventually they do have to start shooting us as long as we can get decent lynches on a scum or two. That seems like a crappy thought though, when a scum or two ends up being almost a whole team. | ||
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slam, BC read, gogogogogogo, why you vote him D2, like him D3, give us some actual stuff please. Don't just type SVENGALI. What posts spoke to you, both ways. onegu, talk to me about thrawn. Why was he town? | ||
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I definitely wasn't dying. I guess scum don't care whether risen or rayn or pandain (if town) get lynched, except they'd probably like a pandain lynch if he's town. So his votes aren't needed to do anything. But if he's scum, and koshi is pushing a big rayn case, and Onegu has been saying all game all game that rayn is town, scumOnegu can sit on koshi 1000000% forever. He doesn't need to move from koshi, he just says koshi continues to be scum, is wrong about rayn, and when rayn flips town, Onegu's vote was not needed to lynch anyone, but looks real nice (Here's the guy I've been calling scum all game, just pushed to lynch the guy I've been calling town all game, SEE GUYS? SEE?). As scum I dunno why he moves his vote or moves it in a funky manner at my request then votes me. | ||
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If you're scumOnegu, one of the guys you've been pushing as mafia just exploded into activity to lynch a dude you're calling town, and you KNOW is town. You can freely double down, your Koshi read keeps flopping, but rayn is SUPER OBVIOUS TOWN (to onegu) at this point, and koshi should know that, so Koshi's attempt to lynch him shows 100000% that koshi is mafia and probably that Pandain or Risen is mafia, and Koshi is trying to push votes away. Bing bang boom. I guess they didn't know whether rayn would get the votes or not, but scumOnegu could have seriously pushed Koshi. The counterargument is....any Onegu should have pushed Koshi? That scum or town, Koshi pushing rayn = scumkoshi to onegu, and he should have hammered that, trying to save his townreads in BC and rayn and trying to push Koshi as a doodyhead. | ||
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On December 05 2013 07:44 Holyflare wrote: That's from Nov 23. That's not his reason for voting risen over thrawn, right? It hasn't been that many days?yeh.................................................... great logic there I swear if that D4 lynch was on 11/23 I will flip. | ||
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I haven't seen him be this downtrodden and martyry and whatnot, especially once the people he was really fighting with in thread were deadified. But there's still a couple things in his filter that bug me if he's scum. | ||
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On December 05 2013 07:59 Grackaroni wrote: I mean, static reads are fine. That's the problem.I think what is more telling is the way that he pushed Koshi. He mostly just sits back and tries to direct Rayn to tunnel people for him instead of posting his own case and putting himself out there against Koshi. Mafia can and, in my opinion, often do have static reads. BC is supposed to be really good at scum and he had pretty much the same reads all game long with the exception of adding on Mig to his scum list on day three for shooting the doctor. Onegu COULD HAVE kept this static read going. He could have HAMMERED koshi for pushing a guy that he knew would flip town (either by lynch or shortly by NK, as rayn was very active). But instead, he's fine dropping koshi and voting me. When he's in the clear to keep his static read AND knows Koshi is about to look very scummy, he's willing to swap his vote. | ||
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Who was on risen early, ESPECIALLY if they were on because SS said so, and then swapped to thrawn, and maybe didn't have great reasoning on either? WTB TIME | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:09 Grackaroni wrote: I know. It's the swapping off Koshi on D3 AT ALL that confuses me. Whether people agreed or disagreed on koshi, rayn was either going to be dead or ALMOST be dead (and probably killed shortly after), adding fuel to his Koshi fire.He moved off Risen for having good posts at the deadline (easy lynch for another day) to somebody who was never going to get lynched that day. people didn't agree with koshi being scum for pushing Rayn so he rereads Koshi's filter and changes his mind and states that he wants to make his vote matter (Later moves on to you by himself so he doesn't do that). The next day when people were angry Koshi lynched Rayn and were voting Risen his suspicion goes right back to Koshi and Risen. But he no do. | ||
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It was after thrawn was already getting lynched. So slam......sees that thrawn is going to die, doesn't want to be left off for cred? Moreover, he jumps on the dude that he gets told to jump on? (He asks in thread, someone (i forget who) says thrawn, he votes thrawn). Then he jumps off later to.......not shenanigans, cuz ain't no shenanigans happened. So either it's aborted shenanigans and he got stuck having already swapped a vote. or He's...compounding his looking bad by not voting thrawn by jumping on/off, making himself a very very curious voter for that time or He's ... town? I don't see a case in which it makes sense for scum to hop on late and then hop off and look REALLY WEIRD while doing it. And not "slam is doing something weird," but scumSlam sees thrawn getting lynched and wants cred so he hops on but then he hops off and nothing happens after he hops off weird. | ||
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If he's mafia...why does he come in and ask who to vote for? If he's mafia...when someone says thrawn, he doesn't hedge AT ALL? He just hops on thrawn? And then...swaps off later because he goes OH MAN I FORGOT THRAWN IS MY BUDDY AND WE'LL LOSE A KP BUT I CAN'T SAVE HIM ANYWAY! I don't get that. | ||
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He attacks grack for a while, lotta posts between them, and a decent amount of posts between onegu/thrawn and pandain/thrawn. THOUGHT: If thrawn looks to be gaining ground, scum can distance on this day and can also interact with him and whatever THOUGHT: If thrawn thinks he might be looking bad, he attacks a scumbuddy, so that when/if he's lynched, maybe scumbuddy looks worse. THOUGHT: That's all thoughts and we don't know STILL THOUGH: That makes onegu seem slightly more town? If he's attacking a scumbuddy, it's for distancing. Him calling onegu scum and then saying no, onegu probably not scum, makes no sense if onegu is scum? ANOTHER THOUGHT: On November 24 2013 16:45 thrawn2112 wrote: no i don't think so... besides that he's low priority for me atm I don't like this. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:48 Pandain wrote: Austin I mason you I know, I've just been super absent and don't have that tab open at the moment, I'm not at home. Will pull it up. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:54 Holyflare wrote: I hate this scenario in the face.If he's mafia he comes in and asks to consolidate upon a person, people think he's agreeable and following town sentiment. Thrawn was hammered, there was no changing it unless hardcore shenanigans which may have been planned in QT previously before slam returned. Reads QT and swaps off, people say it is too late and won't do it. EZ conclusion, obviously wifom as hell but changing to a person who is only 1 vote ahead of the other is not a towny mindset either, that just promotes likely shenanigans instead of deters them! No way does scum come back and just freely ask who to vote without checking the vote thread or QT. | ||
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I DON'T LIKE LONEMEOW'S FILTER WHEN I LOOK THROUGH IT. I LIKED A LOT OF HIS MASON-Y RESPONSES BUT WHEN I LOOK BACK THROUGH OUR LOGS I DO NOT LIKE THEM. | ||
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austinmcc So you're not a big fan of any of yamato's final reads? This isn't a trap, this is just...he wrote koshi/thrawn if useless/oats. I just want to see if you agree/disagree with them, and it looks like you are town/town/? on those three. LoneMeow I don't super agree with them, no. Koshi is the one I'm most afraid of, because if I'm wrong about him and he is actually scum it means I'm probably wrong about a lot of other things. --- LoneMeow If you could shoot one person now, before the lynch, who would you shoot? Ie. of the people you find scummy, whose flip do you think would help us figure out the game? austinmcc I shoot BC 80000000000000000%. If BC is mafia, oats is not, and people get off his nuts. If BC is mafia, grack is VERY VERY VERY likely town. I think. Maybe. It also makes thrawn look much worse for his saying BC's take on the mocsta/grack interactions so sexy. Also very telling of mig's alignment, scum BC = 99.999% town mig. I think BC is a lynchpin here and...needs to get lynched? austinmcc Yourself? LoneMeow I'd be very tempted to shoot supersoft. His flip would be very useful, but I'm still not very satisfied that he actually is scum. BloodyC0bbler isn't a bad choice either, I just can't get any kind of read on him, everything he says seems like it could come from either alignment. I suspect it would help if I had played with him before. -- austinmcc In your mind, what does supersoft's flip say about people? Both town and scum flips. LoneMeow If he'd flip scum then Alakaslam, BloodyC0bbler and Holyflare would all look bad. if he'd flip town, then Koshi and you would look interesting. Possibly also Oatsmaster. -- austinmcc What do you make of thrawn being active in another game but not this one? LoneMeow Really weird. But wouldn't it be kind of stupid to intentionally do that as scum? -- I brought up thrawn a bunch of times in our mason chat and he never talks about thrawn at all basically. He avoids it hard. I do not liiiike | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:01 Holyflare wrote: Wut?austin wth why did you tell me onegu had a good reason to switch to CC and LM's switch was scummy when onegu's was also really quite terrible......... | ||
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Hopeless Grack Pandain Holyflare LM Slam Alive. 3 mafia. Out of the group, Pandain, Holyflare, and LM are all masons. We've flipped 2 mafia masons. Highly unlikely there are two more? That seems like way too many mafia masons, 2/3 the team. So probably one out of Pandain/Holyflare/LM? Possibly two, but working off one for now. Holyflare very likely town. Has been quite active for a couple days, was pushing hard AGAINST cheesecake lynch and doing so with good reasoning, he is way way way off my list for now. Grack off my list for now. However, popped up yesterday with a big post on onegu, lotta effort, and that makes me just barely tingly. Not up for lynch tomorrow though. That leaves me: Coag, Hopeless, Pandain, Slam, LM. Pandain votes on D3 --> Hopeless, coag, thrawn, LM, bc, and rayn. We KNOW 2 of those votes are mafia. We KNOW there are 3 mafia still left, and it's...highly unlikely that ZERO of hopeless/coag/LM are mafia (does anyone disagree with this, no mafia in that entire group of 3 still alive?). Assuming > 0 of those unknown living dudes are mafia, that means pandain had 3+ mafia votes on him D3, and again, the lynch was close between risen/pandain/rayn. I think this indicates that pandain is town, and, at the very least, makes him probably a bad lynch choice. That leaves me: Coag, Hopeless, Slam, LM Some more posts coming as I read through. | ||
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LM looked bad to me early on, and was getting town cred just for masoning yamato, when he had interactions with yamato before. So far, not a single person has popped out of mason chat going AHA! I HAVE CAPTURED A MAFIA FOR SAID MAFIA HAS MASONED ME. So I think we're overvaluing mafia's reluctance to mason townies/strong townies/consensus townies. In fact, we ought to look at mason targets of mafia because it's relatively unlikely they mafia themselves unless they KNOW they need a smokescreen. Someone/me/anyone should check on BC and thrawn's targets, see who remains. Anyways, LM bobs and weaves every time I mention thrawn in QT, see the posts I pulled out from before. I liked the way he was replying to me, being relatively open, but as more people flip, his openness starts to look less lovely. He was willing to be very, very active in mason chat, asking a lot of question about who is implicated if so and so flips whatever. During that period, he barely posted in thread (that's cool, he's active somewhere), but AFTER that period, when he's shown he can be active and post (at least in QT), he's still just not there. I don't love that, just never picking up and getting involved, despite showing he can be plenty involved in mason chat (except where thrawn is concerned). He is cool with VE for mayor after VE lists his targets as skan, pandain, sharrant, NOT BC, and probably not storr. We know now that VE's list at that point was town, unknown, town, NOT SCUM. He even says later on he liked VE's earlier choices over VE's later set (not that VE's later set frightened scum either). Asking about the sharrant shot. Was minorly pointed at before, someone, maybe rayn, was really into that point? Who was it? Just a minor thing, but we know town shot sharrant, and so LM's interest in sharrant's death is just a curiosity. His...hmmm. He says he can buy yamato and spaghet being shot because "they looked townie". However, if you read LM's filter, he says he was worried about yamato b/c yamato not active in mason. He asks spaghet and Artanis their thoughts on yamato, asks yamato about a read change on grack (a target mafia was interested in), and so it's a little curious that thinks it's coolio for mafia to have shot yamato. He did not appear convinced that yamato appeared super town, yamato didn't appear super duper town enough to be elected, but LM fine with a mafia shot on him and curious about sharrant. He starts mentioning Mattchew as a nice, juicy lurker, around the time Mattchew's name starts being thrown around. That's a flag for me. He ... votes for thrawn. Then says he's going to re-re-read thrawn's filter (he has not commented on thrawn except to tell me thrawn looks town in mason chat). He asks about thrawn and oats scum together. He asks who would be red if thrawn flips scum. One thing I've noticed throughout the game is LM is asking a LOT of association questions. See our mason chat. See his filter. If so and so flips this, who looks bad/good. It's not outright scummy, but it's great for planning NKs and lynches. He....he calls out thrawn for dodging the subject of BC in thrawn/rayn chat. This is scummy. Does he recognize that it looks like he was avoiding thrawn in our chat? AAAAHHHHHH. LOOK AT HIS D3 VOTES. HE VOTES BC AND PANDAIN. WHY DOES HE VOTE BC? In mason chat 40 LoneMeow 11-22-2013 05:45 PM ET (US) I'd be very tempted to shoot supersoft. His flip would be very useful, but I'm still not very satisfied that he actually is scum. BloodyC0bbler isn't a bad choice either, I just can't get any kind of read on him, everything he says seems like it could come from either alignment. I suspect it would help if I had played with him before. In thread? Nothing. LM doesn't MENTION BC until after he's already voted thrawn. Never mentioned in thread, said he couldn't read him in mason chat, votes for him on D3 though. It's not much at all, considering we've had plenty of wrong reads this game and plenty of townies have been way wrong, but his reads are always so off. His scumlist recently was oats, onegu, risen, and slam, 3 townies and an unknown. He makes sure to add that if risen is scum, onegu and oats are probably town. There's no....work shown for this? I don't know where he's getting some of these connections, risen and onegu and oats are ALL SCUMMY, BUT IF RISEN IS SCUM then onegu and oats aren't? That doesn't make sense. If you think risen is scum, and you think risen being scum means oats and onegu are "possibly incorrect" (sorry, he doesn't say they're town in that case, just his reads possibly incorrect), then...how do you have them all together and why? I don't like his other logs. His Koshi log is a lot of fluffy questions. His yamato log was mostly that. His log with me is a lot of that. AND HE'S ALWAYS DRAWING CONNECTIONSSSSSSS. If oats flips red, look at slam! 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(1) LM ducked questions about thrawn in our mason chat. One of the reasons he voted thrawn was thrawn was ducking questions about BC in rayn/thrawn chat. (2) LM's D3 and D4 votes come out of near-nowhere. He has never mentioned BC in thread D3. He tells me in mason chat he can't get a read on BC. He votes BC. On D4 he has not mentioned thrawn, except to say that thrawn looks townie in our mason chat. Not much reasoning, passing mention, moves on. He likes the thrawn posts, votes thrawn, digs up a couple extra things, says he's re-re-reading thrawn. I don't like those interactions, either one. (3) His filter and mason logs are SUPER FLUFFY with these association questions. Count the number of times you see "assuming x flips y, who looks z." It's a bunch. EASY questions to ask, and to a tiny tiny extent, allow you to plan ahead as mafia. MOREOVER MOREOVER MOREOVER -----> there is very little behind some of the connections he draws, you can't see where he's connecting dots. And when he DOES connect dots, he sometimes ... conveniently forgets? If oats was red, look at slam. Oats flips town. He wants to lynch Onegu > Slam > ? (4) His mason targets, so far, have all been town (unknown on coag). | ||
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TL;DR Very very absent, even once he's got net Little back and forth with thrawn early Pushes pandain consistently from like D2 Hopeless had BC town D2, pandain scum D2, pandain pushed BC. Hopeless votes BC/Pandain on D3 early, why? He had a townread, and the dude is being pushed by a scumread. Why vote BC? Liked SS's oats case, hated oats, then hated SS's case and liked oats, and voted Pandain/SS. Went back to BC after SS got no traction Early vote on thrawn. Liked posts on him, but no real posts of his own Not a factor last few days except to keep pushing Pandain Very little first two days. Gets into a little spat with thrawn. He wants thrawn flipped due to "rage and indignation", but not a scumread. Likes SS's oats bit. SS's oats bit was super speculative and weak. Hopeless comes away from reading mocsta's filter and BC's stuff by finding BC town. Hopeless has what I think is a decent case post on Pandain. He makes a lot of legitimate points, they aren't just scummy crap thrown together. He has a couple points I like, the mig "slip" or not-slip, but the mig alignment shifting if no-slip. The way he interacts with mocsta and the storrzerg read. Those two things I like, some of the rest of it is meh/wrong in light of flips. Hopeless's #1 tip top read is pandain. Hopeless had BC as town. Pandain had a scumread on BC D2. So far, all of this fits, right? Hopeless's town read is being attacked by a scum read, logic is groooovy. But Hopeless's VERY FIRST POST of D3 is to vote pandain/BC. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. He had BC town. His NUMBAH WAN ICHIBAN SCUMREAD, pandain, is attacking BC. Why is he voting BC? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY!? ALSO WHY, WHEN I SAID WE SHOULD LOOK FOR PEOPLE WHO VOTE BC FOR WEAK/NO REASONING OR FLIP READS ON HIM, DID I NOT ACTUALLY GO BACK AND DO THIS AND WHY DID NOBODY ELSE DO THIS EITHER!?!?!?!? After his vote, BC has spent his last couple days being angry at town and explaining how there is no way mig is town vet because "balance" and "logic". Stop gaming the setup. His arguments for mig shooting a lurker over shooting BC are trash imo. That's what vig shots are for, to clear out the unknowns that you are unwilling to lynch. BC is absolutely a viable lynch and I want him dead. Whether that is through Vayne or not remains to be seen, but one way or another I want BC's flip today. Complete 180. BC was town. His scumread is attacking BC. But now he's voted BC and he wants BC D-E-D ded. I gave hopeless fattie town points for coming in and saying thread was crappy D3, stop speculating, etc. etc. Still some town points, but "HEY THREAD IS BAD STAHP" is easy-ish to make from either alignment. Previously, Hopeless liked SS's case on Oats. He hated Pandain. He liked BC. Now he hates BC. Still votes Pandain, hates Pandain. He now says SS's cash is trash, and he's sorry for ever thinking Oats was mafia. Lotta floopy floops. Later unvotes BC, who he wanted to be super ded. Is now on Supersoft/Pandain, due to mason log nonsense (SS doctored logs --> no i didn't -->oright he didn't). He unvotes SS later though and goes back to Pandain. THIS WHOLE BIT DOES NOT MAKE TERRIBLY MUCH SENSE IF HE'S THINKING CRITICALLY. PANDAIN AND BC BOTH MASONED SS D1. IF SS IS SCUM, THEY AREN'T ALL SCUM. THAT SILLY BILLY TOWN. He makes the argument I like on D4, why are people sheeping SS's list. Not because he wants to lynch thrawn at this point, but because he wants to lynch Pandain still. This is curious, if scum wanted to kill pandain, it's still going hard after that target. scumHopeless thinks he's got a winner and can push it, despite BC's vote. townHopeless thinks pandain is scum and is right that people shouldn't just sheep SS's lynch list. He's fine sheeping my LM town read (if LM flips town, this is just a flag, not as weird as LM/slam). He thinks LM super lurky, no other reason to call him mafia, and forgetting about him for now. That's alright, not terribly scummy. Agrees thrawn looks scummy, but hasn't talked about thrawn at all since their little spat on N1/D2. Okay lynching thrawn, over Risen, but not over Pandain. Moves his vote to thrawn. He's #3 total, #2 once holy moves off. At this point, thrawn hasn't picked up steam, but Hopeless has said he's rather lynch thrawn over risen. It's a decently townie move, imo, he's on a scummer early. His reasoning is...lacking, but his vote is there. Dips for days. Is okay burning a lynch on VA after VA keeps calling me mafia when thrawn flips red. Votes risen, leaves thread. I don't super understand his risen vote? He didn't seem super scummy on Risen before, didn't think he was TOWN TOWN, but ... why the vote? Votes CC, would rather vote pandain, has oats town. Why oats town? Buncha people scummy on oats, he was scummy then townie on oats but only because SS's case was sloppy/crappy/etc. SS flipped town. So sloppy case or no, it was a real suspicion. Why so townie on oats? Pushes Pandain again yesterday. Very consistent on Pandain, although, to be fair, Pandain doesn't appear to have done anything that would alleviate Hopeless's suspicions. | ||
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He says a lot of things that I liked, called the thread out on D3, called people on following Super's list D4 (although because he wanted Pandain lynched, not gung ho on thrawn). So his.....his thread management thoughts I like. But his reads I don't love, and his BC/thrawn reads are somewhat hard to follow and curious. He wanted to kill thrawn but had no scumread on thrawn early (that bit fine, but the no scumread part just important). Was townie on BC. Went on to kill both without much in the way of substantive comment. No LM mentions until D4. Was okay sheeping me saying LM was town. Had no real read on LM either way. Only relevant if LM mafia. Makes hopeless not look better. Would not lynch tomorrow. Possible mafia. More likely mafia if LM mafia. Absence D1 due to internet issues COULD explain lack of mafia mayoral push (hiro + hopeless scum and absent, 1/3 of mafia's juice gone D1) | ||
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Hopeless's filter is smaller than coag's. Barely larger than LM's, but without the mason stuff. Internet troubles D1 account for some of that, but coag had tornado issues. Check past hopeless games to see if he's THIS uninvolved. I don't remember that being the case, but not even 80% certain that I remember hopeless's general post amounts. | ||
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Beyond that, please read the LM stuff. Does LM look town or mafia to you? Do you agree that he's making a good number of reads/associations towards you? | ||
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Coag kinda explodes, for coag, at grack saying they were masoned. What does scumCoag do? Probably say grack lying, vote grack, etc. etc. But it's weird, right? A guy you KNOW is town (if grack town), lying for...what reason? I think you get a little wonky. I THINK, personally, gut read, coag's reaction to grack's mason lie is townie. He blows up, drops a bunch of f bombs, gets very very very very posty for coag. That, to me, when he adds that he wants to lynch grack, makes me feel mildly townie on coag. BC townread Drops grack scumread, moves onward. Has a BC townread still. If he's mafia, can he stay on grack? Mafia has hammered grack, but coag has good extra reason --> the mason lie. Doesn't have to jump off grack. Does his BC townread feel legit? On November 22 2013 05:22 Coagulation wrote: Unsure. This is a mushy read, not even really a read, just that I guess he's getting town feels (never actually says "this game I am getting town feels", and goes with BC feeling "genuine" over townie). Not sure how to read this. Scummy view is it's mega avoidy of a BC read. Town view is scum coag would KNOW BC was gonna flip mafia. Wouldn't he want a concrete read? Either be scummy on BC or give a real solid reason BC is town and say BC is town town town town and then "oops, was wrong." Gut read this isn't a mafia post? It's the wrong kind of wishy washy, because we're talking about someone who is Going To Die That Day. Not an out-of-the-blue scumbuddy that you fumble your read on.I have seen scum BC many times and I very rarely get town feels from him when hes town but the way he was talking this game about playing shitty and being frustrated with the current state of game was extremely genuine based on my experience with him? Holyflare null to coag, but HF had a bad response to grack. Mildly townie on that post. Shows he doesn't just fire back at grack for lying, but he sees grack lied, and draws connections based off of that. If grack town, does mafiacoag really do this? Gut read no. Again blows up at a perceived pandain/ss lie. Blah blah votes risen then thrawn, just cuz i convince him. TELLS SLAM TO VOTE THRAWN. Asks why someone would be on his nuts if risen flips red. Scumcoag knows risen is town. There's little there, but I'm still townie on Coag. The things that he does, a couple little posts he make, are things that I don't see scumcoag doing. Coag is a lazy bum on TL it seems like. The only time I've seen scumCoag he posted way less than this, way way way less, and one day pretended to forget, or actually forgot, what cycle it was. In that game, he was a replacement, so it's not a 1:1 comparison, but scum coag does NOTHING. This coag is doing SOME THINGS. That's =/= nothing. And he's posting sometimes things that scum don't NEED to post. A super duper crafty scum might. We might THINK a super duper crafty scum would. But lazyass scum coag? I don't think so. I don't think scum coag bothers asking why people want to lynch him if risen flips red. Scum coag doesn't care. Scum coag doesn't need to swap to thrawn, cuz he doesn't care. Scumcoag doesn't need to make a vague post about BC's townieness, he can make a short BC town or BC scum. I think coag is town? I hate saying that. But I think it. | ||
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On December 06 2013 08:17 Alakaslam wrote: Nobody is going to have to piss you off.Well I will look at his filter. Someone gonna have to piss me off in connexion with it -_- Risen was town and martyred. That did not go well for town. Moreover, we're 5-3 right now? One mislynch and we lose right now. If you're town, you have to drop the "I'm scummier than scum so lynch me" act, because THERE ARE NO MORE MISLYNCHES ATM. The time to play that game is over. If you're town, drop the act please please please. If you don't make a single woe is me/martyry post during the next day cycle, I will draw you a good picture. Also, you should do it anyway because, again, no more mislynches. | ||
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I have a bachelor party that I will be out of town for basically most of tomorrow, all sat, early sunday. This is Not Good and I Do Not Like That Absence. However, I would really like to see people post some specific things (1) What do you think about LoneMeow. He's the guy in this game named LoneMeow. Please read his filter, his mason logs, and my ramble on him. What do you think about him, for serious? (2) When you read LoneMeow's filter, please note how he references Slam. Both direct reads and indirect associations. Do you agree that he has a particular focus on slam? Put yourself in LoneMeow's shoes. You made all those reads and associations. How SHOULD alakaslam look to you at this point in the game? (3) Did you know hopeless1der's filter was so short? What is your TOWNIEST post hopeless has made? His scummiest? You can find them, becuase his filter is short. (4) From everyone. Is pandain town or mafia? He's been a point of contention for a bunch of people so far this game. Some town, some scum. Some still alive! Do you think he's town or mafia? (5) I don't think there's anything else for now! Please please please please. You have to do these things if you are town, because we need to be Doing Stuff and Making Associations and Reads. I got away from this for a couple days and I have limited time, but these are Things to Discuss. If you are town, you have to do them so that the people who don't do them Stand Out as Odd. If you are mafia, you have to do them so we can catch and lynch you, and also because town will answer these question and you will look strange if you don't. | ||
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Noir Mini ----- town ----- survives til endgame, N3 ----- 3.5 page filter TL LXI ----- town ----- lynched D7 ----- 8.66 page filter Hogwards ------ town ----- shot N5 ----- 9+ page filter White Flag ----- town ----- survives, wtf this game ended at the end of D2 ----- 1.8 page filter Witchcraft II ----- town ---- replaced start D2, survives to endgame end of D4 ----- almost 4 page filter The Game ----- dunno ---- replaced out during N1 ----- less than a page Some more enterprising soul than I could go read said filters, look for Assorted Meta Stuff, and I will next week when I'm back and a bunch of other scum have been lynched. But he's not crazy posty in those games, lynched on D7 in LXI with < 9 pages filter, most other games is putting out like.... ~2 pages a cycle, ish. Nothing super duper conclusive from filter length alone. | ||
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ALSO, MAFIA PLEASE SHOOT ONE OF YOUR TEAM MEMBERS. IT WILL MAKE US UNCERTAIN OF ALL OUR READS. | ||
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It's 5v3 If they kill a townie, it's 4v3, mislynch is 3v3, NK is 2v3, scum wins If they don't kill a townie, it's 5v3, mislynch is 4v3, NK is 3v3, scum still wins Someone on the scum team is a smartypants. So long as they're shooting to win it now, not killing someone tonight doesn't matter. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 1 marvellosity 12-02-2013 08:02 PM ET (US) Pandain + austin mason Day 7/Night 7 2 Pandain 12-02-2013 08:03 PM ET (US) mmm 3 austinmcc 12-04-2013 02:06 PM ET (US) I will try to be active here during the night phase, sorry. Has not been a great week to try and be active in mafia. 4 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:42 PM ET (US) I honestly think holy is mafia. He should have gotten shot. His reasons are bad. He buses as mafia. Not pushing Coag now also 5 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:43 PM ET (US) Like saying: " id be fine if he explained but he won't" is suspicious 6 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:48 PM ET (US) I can't believe maf gave up thread presence 7 austinmcc 12-04-2013 06:51 PM ET (US) I dunno about Holy. He's really picked up presence, yeah, but a lot of what he's posted recently has seemed decent to me. The thrawn stuff was a little wonky, cuz he pushed him early, then jumped off, then back on, but i THINK that was legitimate? If it's an aborted bus, he probably should have pushed harder and not left? 8 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:56 PM ET (US) He was maf in b2b with slam. Hf not even mention it or fact slam is way dufferent 9 austinmcc 12-04-2013 06:58 PM ET (US) I know you liked LoneMeow's mason log with you, but overall....feelings on LM? 10 Pandain 12-04-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) He jumped on thrawn after obvious lynch 11 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:03 PM ET (US) I got town feeling. His switch was so bad and like scummy 12 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:07 PM ET (US) Like can you see mafia openly making that statement 13 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:09 PM ET (US) I guess I can its sort of wifom 14 austinmcc 12-04-2013 07:11 PM ET (US) His vote made it 6 to 6, when Holyflare had previously been on thrawn but was now on Risen. If HF swapped back, then ... LM could vote Risen to make it 6-6 the other way, but I don't think had really said anything about EITHER person. From what I remember, he was on you and oats and not much else. Ugh. I'm REALLY not liking what I find from him, but yeah, the vote is on thrawn and I'm torn about voting anyone on thrawn. WTB MORE TIME 15 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Onegu is town to me somewhat. Also he's like using his handicapped son as excuses and I really can't see him pulling that card as scum even d it's true 16 Pandain 12-04-2013 07:19 PM ET (US) remember if thrawn got lynched and they didn't switch, then it's like ez lynch like we were doing on risen people. By switching, they saved themselves to what happened. To what is still happening. 17 Pandain 12-04-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) Coag holy LM gogo 18 austinmcc 12-04-2013 10:33 PM ET (US) LM > coag > holy for me right now. Grrrr, I should ahve pushed harder and should have gone back through my mason logs. He answered so much stuff but just NEVER spoke about thrawn, ever. Avoided it despite me being relatively thrawn-focused at times. Coag was townie to me, and hasn't...shaken that yet. I dunno, I've seen him useless as both alignments, and the last couple days are what scum coag does. The first couple days feel more like town coag --- he got excited about lies, followed his name, etc. etc. Now he's just doing nothing and attempting to do nothing, which is what I envision from scum coag. Holyflare doesn't really NEED to be posting a bunch if he's mafia, and he fought me on cc pretty hard I think? I will reread him. Artanis found him very townie in mason chat, he hasn't really done anything to tip my scumdar, but at this point that's not really enough. I'll do a deeper read into him, but he's not a top lynch for me. 19 austinmcc 12-04-2013 11:18 PM ET (US) Like, I've seen scum coag only in one game (haven't played much with him) and the ENTIRETY of his play was to vote and one time say that he didn't know what day it was. His filter is weak and his effort is weak, but he's STILL been way more involved than he was in that game. It's not 100%, it's a single-game meta read and he replaced in there, but...scum coag didn't ever seem to even pretend to read the thread. 20 Pandain 12-05-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) I wanted to wait for Holy, see if he got shot. Because it's so weird that supposedly the only one who was making sense didnt' get shot. Like if Holy is town and mafia were lurkers, that's an extremely poor choice when it should be obvious. Do you remember the first game we played together? I was scum and put in HUGE amounts of effort defending Firmtofu. I'm getting that feel from Holy. When others are getting lynched for sure, he pops up and argues against who i think are scum. Then day comes, he's arguing for fucking slam. I agree with LM first, his last posts are suspicious as fuck . 21 Pandain 12-05-2013 12:38 AM ET (US) I wanted to do this: 1. We both say tonight that holy is basically confirmed town. Point out some stuff, say there's no way he's scum. If he still doesn't get shot... :o 22 austinmcc 12-05-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Yeah, we'll see about tonight's shot. I was actually super thankful that koshi and mig got killed, I even started to get paranoid about mig voting risen, mig shooting 2 townies, etc. etc. I could never convince myself he was mafia, or likely mafia, but paranoia starts to set in. I'm probably happy to call him very townie. I actually was doing that with VA. VA did some stuff that looked really scummy to me, but was almost certainly town based on the way he was defending himself and pooping from space, as slam might say. But I wanted to push him as mafia, see if I could get some people to jump on him as a mislynch. I know thrawn started saying he was mafia...as did slam. It's one of the points against slam, except that slam also seems to dislike anyone who just craps on people in thread. 23 austinmcc 12-05-2013 06:41 PM ET (US) Okay. I just did too much filtering for one sitting. Currently, just off of looking, I could see a LM/slam/hopeless1der remainder. Grack fantastically likely town. Only likely to have one more mafia mason (4/6 mafia being mafia masons, and majority (i think) masons being mafia feels wrong). If LM mafia, that kind of pulls you and HF out of things. Also, I want to know your thoughts specifically about the LM/slam thing I'm seeing. Dost thou see-est it too? 24 austinmcc 12-05-2013 07:47 PM ET (US) A similarity running through my mason chats this game, I guess, sorry I wasn't active for a bunch of it. I think we're still in okay shape. Let's see who the NK is, we re-evaluate, and lynch us some mafias. | ||
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LM and thrawn were BOTH on Pandain D3, and he was lynchable. Not being lynched, but within range of a random vote swap or so. BC's swap doesn't do much for me, because MAYBE he was trying to kill Pandain, or MAYBE he saw that I'd voted, unknown, it was just a couple minutes. But if LM is scum, 2 mafia were on pandain and a 3rd jumped on him. I find it unlikely they'd risk losing 2 mafia that day and prematurely cutting their KP by 1 if town happened to swap. No way do I take that risk, no way AT ALL. We know both other leading candidates were town. Mafia does not let pandain be in danger like that. | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:16 Holyflare wrote: I voted 3 min to go. BC voted 1 min to go.BC's swap was on the deadline though so pandain was never going to die If BC had that typed and ready to go, did not refresh or something, he would have thought that his vote would kill Pandain. Also, it would maybe kind of sort of implicate Risen, who was town anyway. If scum team saw vote and within like 2 minutes managed to work out the SNEAKY SNAKE VOTE PANDAIN BUT DON'T KILL plan, they're super fast. They also were 1000000% reliant on NOBODY ELSE being a sneaky snake and voting pandain. And they wasted votes on pandain instead of wherever else they wanted to. I just don't see that being the case AT ALL. You don't put your scumbuddy to a point where he dies if ANYONE swaps a vote to him/off other people. You just don't. You don't sit around planning "We're gonna swap a vote last minute and make so and so look bad" while simultaneously forgetting that town could swap a vote and lynch your scumbuddy AND that would be 3 dead AND that would mean you only have 1 KP for the REST OF THE GAME, with 2-3 vets. That's the biggest thing, imo. Scum ABSOLUTELY don't risk another person, because they NEED that KP given supersoft's vest and my vet, pandain would be scum in that hypothetical so he's out. But....you don't do that. | ||
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I voted thrawn while telling people to consolidate on D3. Someone told me that my vote wasn't helping, and I was being hypocritical. They were right, but also thrawn was scum and I wish I'd pushed him sooner. But I forget who that person was. Need to remember to find that post. | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:23 Holyflare wrote: Scum doesn't always have to take crazy risks. I also don't like speculating on what COULD happen when it didn't because that's wifom and the events didn't transpire like that. Scum always has to take crazy risks so anything is always possible, if it turned out the other way, we'd know but yes, while it is LIKELY that he is not scum I do not use it as a definitive reason that he COULDN'T be scum. Anyway, if it is LIKELY he is not scum if LM is, and it is somewhat likely that LM is mafia, then it is UNLIKELY (for now, and that can change maybe) that Pandain is mafia. Not only the vote thing, but you/LM/Pandain are masons. If TWO of that group are mafia, mafia had 4 masons, and town had...the other, and someone else? Someones else? I don't remember off the top of my head. That might fit with how many other roles town had, but it's curious to give scum the majority of masons, and to make 2/3 their team masons. Not at all conclusive, just musing. | ||
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On December 06 2013 10:29 Holyflare wrote: Both are town, who cares?What would be a scum LM's motive to make a case on oats and then follow you to CC? It's happened before with scum swapping between townie and townie at deadline, but that's not relevant here at all. Imo, there's 0 difference between scum voting oats yesterday and scum voting CC. Yes, it makes him stand out when he probably doesn't want to, and that's a point in his favor. But it doesn't overcome the other stuff. | ||
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Super secret possible scum motive is that oats is, at the time, going to be modkilled. Scum would LIKE to kill 2 peeps and not just one. So scum would prefer a cheesecake lynch to oats lynch IF oats doesn't actually return. That's an outside consideration, because you never actually know if someone will return or not. But oats had already been warned, it was possible he was going to get modkilled. | ||
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Other minor crap involves stuff like currying favor, but I don't think that's realistic. | ||
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I see that you were scummy on grack, so his post lined up with you there. I see that you got on Koshi's case for calling storrzerg scum, and BC is saying he could be town now. So what in that post makes you see BC as mafia? | ||
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On December 06 2013 12:44 Alakaslam wrote: It's a good idea to know why people were scummy, especially if you vote them I was in agreement with him a lot. I don't even remember voting him, how am I supposed to know hat made me scummy on him? I wasn't when he was lynched, I was surprised. In this post, him being anti BH would have done it. I think. Also, Pandain, if Holy and LM are both mafia, that's 4 MAFIA MASONS. And how many town? Like 2ish? We've seen some funky mason setups, it's a role hosts can play with to keep town from gaming mason numbers, but...2/3 of mafia as masons? And very few townies? | ||
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I still like holy for town, will try and read him further tomorrow morning. Artanis said he thought Holyflare was town from their mason chat. I would generally trust Artanis on that. Scum would have seen that artanis was scummy on mocsta, mocsta got vigged D1, artanis was a decently likely option for who sent that shot. I don't THINK they have holyflare mason artanis if he's mafia. Maybe they think they can influence his reads and get him to shoot a townie, but.....I don't think so. You probably don't mess with someone that was scummy on your bro and might have shot him, you just leave him til night and pow pow he's dead. All speculation. Need to check the HF/artanis log. If it reads well, holy just way off the list for now. | ||
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Everyone keep reading, please find stuff, but look through the crap I wrote today, even though it may hurt your eyes. Those is my thoughts. Slam should not be today's lynch, but looks curious. I really don't think coag should be today's lynch. I think hopeless should post, or else he's looking at sad times in the coming days. I think slam should post. Martyr time is over. I know you have reads and can play mafia. Yayayayayaya let's win for town if you're town! Seriously, no martyr posts today and I will draw a good picture. Pandain, I don't think the lack of holyflare death does anything right now. Mig was still a pretty solid townie, and this recent night their KP didn't matter if they can get a mislynch. So now reason to kill someone and make the game easier. Scum didn't have a strong mayoral push on D1. At most, only slam voted for BC if slam is mafia. If not, it was COMPLETELY disorganized. Indicates that scum weren't super duper active D1, or they might have pushed things around slightly. Buncha other crap. I haven't followed up on many thoughts, but there are a bunch of unfollowed leads somewhere in here. GOGO TOWN. | ||
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If you disagree with me, answer me, say it, point out why I'm wrong. If you agree, talk about it. But you gotta answer those thingies, because the more people that answer, the less scum can avoid answering. You participate, you force scum to participate. Scum hate participating. And puppies. Boo scum. | ||
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And yeah, coag's vote..... | ||
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Also, Pandain's got one or more recentish scumgames. Also also, LoneMeow seems to only ever roll scum if he's scum here, and has I think 1 or 2 recent scum games? I'm headed out and won't have time to check. But....they're worth a look. | ||
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It's 5v3 and I'm on LM, so watch hard for vote shenannies. People need to try and be around at or towards the deadline, because just a couple stray votes and our battleship could sink. If LM is miraculously townie or something on returning, I still don't buy it, but you'd only be 4v3 basically because I can't change my vote after this. Just....careful. Also please no more townie modkills. | ||
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