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This discussion is now a waste of time. I brought it up because it was weird. People talked about it, I thought it over, and I actually got two reads out of it. At this point, however, people are over thinking this whole thing. Super and I already worked this out, and LM confirmed what I already thought was the case. We are not lynching him.
Seriously, let's do something useful. Most of you seem open to the idea that today should be about lynching mafia, no? And almost all of you think I'm town, yes? So why aren't you listening to me when I tell you that BC is scum? He posted things, yes, but he didn't discuss real reads and he didn't really take any stances about mayor or the hypothetical lynch.
Also, you should all be voting for me for mayor by now.
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On November 15 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey yamato do you agree with me on what i said about Grack? I'm markedly less concerned with track ATM than I am BC. I think I'm actually right about him honestly.
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On November 15 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:40 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: hey yamato do you agree with me on what i said about Grack? I'm markedly less concerned with track ATM than I am BC. I think I'm actually right about him honestly. You mean right about Grack or BC? Yeah BC looks bad, but i don't think we should talk about him as there is not much to talk about unless someone disagrees. Whatcha think of Koshi? People do seem to disagree, namely koshi.
Koshi is suspect. As mafia I expect him to post a lot of dumb shit and he's definitely doing that this game. He's not very lighthearted at all nor is he joking around like he does as town so it's not looking great for him. D2 lynch at best though.
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On November 15 2013 23:44 Mocsta wrote: no yam you may be a town read for me, but thats not enough to secure my vote.
BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further. it comes down to asset management. BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum. there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg.
the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion.
instead of standing on the soap box. if you genuinely want votes from people such as myself, you are going to have to work for it. So you vote for yourself, as kush is also doing?
Excuse me if I find you suddenly less credible than before.
This is also a terrible argument. We lynch scum. Period. There is no "asset management" when it comes to lopping the heads off of mafia players.
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It's difficult to interact with BC when he is neither here nor has he given me anything in particular worth responding to. The latter, in and of itself, is telling. His meaningless platitudes are too late in the game to simply excuse, especially without substance to offset them.
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On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean: the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further. it comes down to asset management. BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum. there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good. ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. There are likely more town vets than there are scum vets, so it is actually worse for scum to lose what is potentially their leader than it is for town to lose one vet amongst five or six people who could reasonably lead the game.
But again, I have never believed in putting off lynches just for vet status. This is a bad argument and I don't agree in the slightest. You're just giving them more time alive for no good reason. He has to earn the right to live in my town just like the rest of you do.
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So Moc, do you think BC is scum or town?
Because it seems like you agree that you think he is scummy, yet oppose his lynch on highly dubious grounds.
If that's the case, I'll grant your wish and we'll lynch you in lieu of BC.
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On November 16 2013 00:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:57 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean: the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further. it comes down to asset management. BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum. there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good. ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping. There are likely more town vets than there are scum vets, so it is actually worse for scum to lose what is potentially their leader than it is for town to lose one vet amongst five or six people who could reasonably lead the game. But again, I have never believed in putting off lynches just for vet status. This is a bad argument and I don't agree in the slightest. You're just giving them more time alive for no good reason. He has to earn the right to live in my town just like the rest of you do. wires are crossed here. I am completely against vets standing on a pedestal, or hiding behind reputation. I am also against someone establishing townieness and then trying to push a lynch off feeling. you haven't convinced me BC is the best lynch for today, and your approach is not conducive yo changing my mind either. That's not what you said. You clearly argued for vet protection for essentially no good reason. But whatever.
What would you like me to do, point out specific posts where he says nothing? If you don't agree that he's essentially posting fluff, why don't you give your read on the matter? Right now it seems like you just want to play foil.
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BC's reads:
On November 15 2013 13:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Austin I want to see sharrant post more before I make a judgement on him. I do this as someone who doesn't really remember his play from much (i dont read games I don't play in normally and hes never left a lasting impression with me) Risen however has made a post that I fucking loath. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:41 Risen wrote: Can't be bothered to read all this. Love it when I'm scum, reason I hate being town. Anyone who cannot be bothered to read a game of mafia from start to finish when town should be fucking banned from playing. I seriously cannot get behind people who do this shit. No read on Sharranf, and a rather meaningless rage post on some arbitrary "he's not reading! Aaaaaahhhh!" Kind of sentiment. Blah.
On November 15 2013 13:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On November 15 2013 11:47 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 11:38 Grackaroni wrote:On November 15 2013 11:35 VisceraEyes wrote:On November 15 2013 11:29 Grackaroni wrote: Mocsta can you explain more simply why Storrzerg is scum. what is the difference between hunting for scum and wanting to hunt scum?
What's so compelling about Mocsta's StorrZerg suspicion that you should comment on that and not any of the other suspicions being flown around? This might be the first post in which you don't mention Kush. It's the worst accusation I've seen. O really..... Storrzerg could be town making a selfish play for mayor. I can dig that, been there done that. I actually acknowledged this in my post. However, what I identified after a filter dive is that aside from a game plan to campaign for mayor his choice of play is pro town. Every game I have played in, it has always been scum pushing rng... Myself included in that increasingly larger subset. Storrzerg positions himself as a reliable scum hunter, asserting that unknowns yamato and VE would vote for him. Then spins this around proposing RNG on the basis of forcing activity. Yeah... I don't buy this, and neither should anyone else. It's a cheap cop out and I can not imagine a town person would approach a mayor game in this fashion. So.. your town. Why is this such a bad accusation that you are willing to delurk to voice concern. Actually fuck that Grack. If you are so certain it is bad play I want him lynched... Who do YOU want lynched as of now. I don't think that's true at all. Lots of townies push RNG normally including myself. You posted a long fluffy post with 3 weak points. Storrzerg played the noob card- It's not scummy for newbs to use the noob card. He added the word for between hunt scum - wat? He thinks it would be a good idea to suggest RNG to raise activity - How does that make him scum? RNG is a dumb as fuck way to approach things. Also Storr cant play the noob card because hes not a newb. Hes been playing for ages. A player being mayor or not before does not mean they will make a good choice. Someone who is clearly making solid choices and decisions is who should get it. If storr thinks he can win with the "noob" card we should lynch him purely on the fact hes not new. Given that he wants to add RNG to the list as well then it seems to me like we have a good solid day 1 removal unless he straightens himself out Storr is not a nppb, so we should lynch him for saying he is and because he mentioned RNG.
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On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote: For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc? Kill people who claim to be mafia claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active) hunt scum lynch them with fire
Not exactly advocating RNG, is he? No.
The rest of BC's filter is trash.
Lynch this man.
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I don't need you telling my how to play.
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I actually made a case
Respond pplz or I assume you think I'm correct ;]
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I don't trust super solely because he trusts BC who I find abhorrent.
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On November 16 2013 06:23 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 06:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 16 2013 06:18 supersoft wrote:On November 16 2013 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 16 2013 06:07 supersoft wrote: i suggest you reread the thread, convince yourself that I am town; and then you come back and we play as a team. Posts like this make me think Supersoft knows VE's alignment. at some point, i have to ram some posts into the ground. two posts are that VE is town and Yamato is town. I won't question these reads until something serious happens that rattles these reads to be honest I can see yamato as town, i just don't think hes someone who should get elected. You / me / ve currently should be snagging those vests. I haven't seen anything out of yamato that says he should have extra night lives 100% agree. From a scum perspective yamato is no priority target for n1. He has no strong reads, no cases, he doesnt push the discussion in a certain direction, he questions everything always. He doesn't switch from chaos-agressive-start-the-game-mode into reasonable-direct-the-game-mode. catching up
this is patently false, but I'll let my play from here on out prove that
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On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. Show nested quote +For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1
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BC, arguing people off a townread of me is extremely unproductive.
If you want any credibility, I want follow up reads on Storr since he's been more active since you last accused him.
On November 16 2013 12:23 Mig wrote: supersoft who do you think is scum/plan to lynch if you become mayor? I mainly just see you declaring how obvious it is you are town repeatedly without actually strongly accusing/building a real case against anyone.
This is also something I want to know, because super hasn't done jack shit this game at all.
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On November 16 2013 12:49 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:48 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). Stopping here momentarily because I want to note just how awful this is as an entrance post over halway through d1 He made an equally "horrible" opening post in WHC. I'm not phased, and wondering why you are. Because if he does nothing all game, we fucking lynch him for doing nothing instead of letting him live forever as useless mafia like he did in Hogwarts.
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On November 16 2013 12:59 Mig wrote: If LM eats a bullet now yamato takes some blame. Wouldn't it be better for mafia to just not mention it at all and then shoot LM? It helps mafia none to reveal that LM is mason. It is just a dumb thing for a townie to do. LM eating a bullet is a win for town, it keeps other players alive. Masoning is mildly useful but not that necessary to winning the game.
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On November 16 2013 13:02 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:01 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 12:59 Mig wrote: If LM eats a bullet now yamato takes some blame. Wouldn't it be better for mafia to just not mention it at all and then shoot LM? It helps mafia none to reveal that LM is mason. It is just a dumb thing for a townie to do. LM eating a bullet is a win for town, it keeps other players alive. Masoning is mildly useful but not that necessary to winning the game. Huh? No. Lol. Are you trying to play the "too stupid to be scum" card? It would work if I wasn't in this game, but I am... And it won't. Are you seriously telling me you think a lurker mason is more useful than a veteran townie?
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On November 16 2013 13:04 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 13:02 Risen wrote:On November 16 2013 13:01 yamato77 wrote:On November 16 2013 12:59 Mig wrote: If LM eats a bullet now yamato takes some blame. Wouldn't it be better for mafia to just not mention it at all and then shoot LM? It helps mafia none to reveal that LM is mason. It is just a dumb thing for a townie to do. LM eating a bullet is a win for town, it keeps other players alive. Masoning is mildly useful but not that necessary to winning the game. Huh? No. Lol. Are you trying to play the "too stupid to be scum" card? It would work if I wasn't in this game, but I am... And it won't. Are you seriously telling me you think a lurker mason is more useful than a veteran townie? are you seriously trying to like backtrack how bad it is to just out a mason it's not even that bad.
mafia shoot him, which is actually a good thing considering his otherwise lurky nature, or he lives and masons people and mafia can't do anything else about it
I did think about this, and it is not a big deal at all.
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On November 16 2013 12:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 12:54 Mig wrote:On November 16 2013 12:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
let me ask you this, why do you think Yamato is town? hes done absolutely nothing to me to warrant that read.
Combination of a few things, 1) tone of posts (doesn't seem worried about being viewed as town) 2) claiming that he will use the pardoner role if given it, since most people view pardoner as pro mafia I don't think many mafia would be willing to risk saying they will use it in public. 3) Revealing LM as mason. I think it was really stupid to do so but there isn't any reason for mafia to reveal this at all. Just seems like a dumb town move. Hes been incredibly inactive and his tone of voice makes him seem like a dick, its a null tell Claiming he will use the pardoner role if given it is extremely anti town. No single player should ever use that role period barring some weird last minute mystery reason and outing a potential blue role before giving the player a chance to justify their actions is incredibly shady. You don't see a reason to reveal it? it means if LM eats a bullet yamato can claim "oops i fucked up" and be absolved of responsibility for the dead power role. Nothing you mentioned is anything aside from a null tell. A town or mafia member can spout that shit. "incredibly inactive"
more posts than you, more time in the thread
holy fuck you're just spouting shit
reminds me of LXI
regrettably, you're probably town for this
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